Joining The Heart And Limb – Inspiring Leadership Through Faith #1
Channel: Zaid Shakir
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martial law, so this is just to say that Imam Zaid when he was at Rutgers, the central New Jersey community was still very much in its early phases of being a community. And mashallah a lot of the seeds that he left here before he left have now blossomed. And now you have New Brunswick Islamic center, you have records with the full chaplaincy with hundreds of Muslim 1000s of Muslim students there, you have, you know, growing Muslim community at Princeton and many other local massages. So we really have to be thankful and honor our pioneers and the people who established the community for us. So, Imam said, we're really happy and excited to have you the conference, the summit has
been about leadership and developing ethical and virtuous leaders. And we could think of no better person than you to invite. So we're really grateful that you accepted our invitation. So we're happy to, to hear from you. And then our your sister, mostly, who has been charged with the programming will come here and ask you a few questions in the fireside chats.
And then we'll open it up for for questions before we close off Sean
Spicer chose not to speak.
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Trying to do something significant
for STEM this part of the world.
for one of the
I don't know finished his vision. And that's
reading this villa was probably a couple years ago.
He just had his Avneet celebration. And
we were mentioning
the analogy of your generation and a relay race. So some of you probably run track, I used to run track back in the day, not very well. That's another story. But I ran the relay it was so far back in the day, we didn't even have meters, we had the RX seven as opposed to four by one 100 meters four by 100. I ran the four by 110.
And the nature of the real and individual race if you're running by yourself, you catch a crab or pull a muscle. We can't continue the race you lose for the relay race, no matter how hard save you the increment. The last one
before fourth run. No matter how hard those who preceded you ran no matter how big a lead they gave him. If you pull up and have finished the race or drop the baton, the entire team loses. They don't see you know, the first leg he actually went to have a second
attempt at this session. He ran a little faster than
his opponent and the second leg he actually lost with the third leg he was
the old team loses. So in a sense, you guys are now receiving the baton.
So those who preceded you, for better or worse
are passing the baton. Now your responsibility is to get that baton to the next one. If you drop the baton, the whole team lose.
So you have to hold on tight. And this is what Allah tells us in
passing the humbling that Hey, Jeremy, for Rocco, how type to the rope of Allah this type of a time and be not divided. Team can be divided as one in this way. Then he gets beaten runs back that way. Everyone has to be in sync. Every there has to be a smooth transition. The United States maintained men's team over the last Olympics. And World Championships they're four by 100 have
one or two exceptions maybe over the last six, seven years. They've lost because they've dropped the baton and they have bad exchanges. Even though the four individual runners work faster than the Jamaicans even. Usain Bolt.
Usain Bolt, you know, the world's fastest man as a Muslim Jamaicans kept printing
was the age so they don't say the same. They all say, No, I'm just kidding.
Saying both the four Americans were fast and what they are bad exchanges and drop the batons a couple times and so they lost. So in addition to holding the baton tight, we have to take great care in terms of how you test it out, up to the runners up for you who will come 30 or 40 years. So it's about being part of a team. It's about assuming the responsibility to carry the heritage that's been equipped unto us by those who preceded us. So just a few remarks before we open the floor. When you talk about leadership, we don't have to experiment or guess as to what constitutes
proper Islamic or Muslim leadership. There are many things we can talk about. I'll talk about just a few things in this regard. But one is tribulations of fitna
tribulations are defined the pocket translated into English as those things which clarify
the good or evil and a person will have a tribulation respond in a way that most people always be the anomalies and the outliers will consider good. Or we could respond in a way that most people would consider bad.
And so that's what the fitna the fitna, does, it brings out the good or the bad, and people when they're confronted with a a testing situation. So, the earlier that they say that the fitna the origin of tribulations for lever, our ally in two things. This talk Kadeem,
Rodney on the sharp
to prioritize baseless opinion over revealed law.
So that's the first source and they say that source of fitna is the fifth Natalia to show
the fitna of doubt the tribulation of doubt,
because there is no certainty.
And that's the first. And they said that the tribulation of doubt. So a person that Divine Law says,
and then someone based on what they read what they hear what they discovered on the internet,
they, which has no firm basis in the divine law. In other words, it's not something that's specifically spoken about in Revelation, nor is it something that can be countenanced based on the
principles, the legal principles or legal Maxim's of the religion.
it creates a tunnel.
And so the rhythm they say, what should happen to fall below ERP.
Tao is repulsed by certain tools.
Dolph is repulsed by servitude. So as leaders, you're in an error, you're in a time that's qualified, overwhelmingly, by adult format.
And so one of the greatest things that you have to do is to build up your team, within your
team, to go certain, certain tools in your heart. And there are ways to do that. One way is to have a very strong connection with Allah, consistent worship.
So consistency and prayers, consistency and who just set the arrow means
to celebrate this young man's attachment and commitment to the Quran. So the Quran has to be read regularly.
Unless MSA is amongst other things should be teaching tend to eat so the MSA meeting should shouldn't just be a lab session with common degrees and it should be that's important because discussing ideas you have to vary in age or ideas like they pop in your mind like popcorn in the popcorn machine.
So it's very important to discuss them with your peers, but
It's also important to do those things that will be build your foundation as a Muslim because a lot of times those found those I those discussions built on a foundation. But if those discussions aren't building on a foundation, then what happens? They provide a foundation in and of themselves. So that foundation is core and so the MSA should be teaching tend to meet
MSA should be teaching basic. So year one is
one on the left for
your three and also
your for Kawhi when
we're not passing so you have a program that's building a foundation as you discuss the issues and as you mature in the foundation then that influences the discussion. So in any case,
if you don't know Arabic gonna send you my memorize the Quran, but you don't understand it
over and beyond a very rudimentary way. So you can as very intelligent most of you, I would assume Ivy League schools is this an exclusive Ivy League MSA? So, so a fair number of you some of you are like at a post Ivy League school like transcended the Ivy League like workers. So,
so well, you that means you're very intelligent. But when you take a Princeton rockers and a Yale, and a Bergen Community College bright,
witches mature, and adult, and intelligent college level
thought of as a,
at a very rudimentary level, it's like you took your brain in terms of its engagement with an opponent and kindergarten. So you have to read the Quran and a language you understand.
You have to read in an English you have to read it in Spanish, the translation whether or not the Quran is always guarded, but so you do your average of touch with your ship. But you also read the Quran in the language that you understand. And then you can see how the leaders who preceded you, because the Koran is, is a book of archetypes.
And so how did these various categories of people engage with their leaders? The prophets,
other leaders, like your own, went astray Pharaoh, how did they engage with people? What How did what was the key to their success? What were the reasons for their failure? This is what the plan is teaching us? What are the consequences of disbelief? What are the benefits and fruits of faith? So if you don't know Arabic and reading Quran, you're not benefiting in those waves. So I was just I mshs. You should, amongst other things, have some time put aside where you can have some people are grouped. within them MSA, you're reading the Muhammad Asad translation, some people are reading Yahia. Emmerich's work, some people really use the valley notes practices appendix in the very rich
program of Quranic study, some people are reading another translation, then you will come together, and you share the insights that you gain. And so you began to engage the end, at the level suitable for your intellects. As opposed to reading it, which is wonderful move is a battle for the AI portion for the AI. We're support the tongue, we're support the ears, worship for the hands that are holding it. And so there's, there's edger, and all of that, but also understanding, engaging the poor and
having a regimen of prayer. So you should all be doing a little extra prayer at night, even before you turn in at night or getting up for a little bit more magic, to pray a few workouts and to have your prayer of going over and beyond the bare minimum. Bare minimum is great if you sustain that in this day and time. That's one of the keys to paradise. But as leaders, you shouldn't be aspiring to do more.
You should try to fast on Monday starting Mondays, and then when that becomes kind of
Just going Monday and Thursday. So over and beyond Ramadan is is pretty consistent in that. And then then that facilitates community. So it'll be Monday or Thursday or both depending on the circumstance. And we'll have enough talking together. And after the Iftar we'll have our MSA meeting. Now there's already a more spiritual foundation to enter the meeting with. So just some suggestions, being in the company of righteous people. There's someone that's pious in the group, don't have one of the greatest forms of India's spiritual enlightenment don't envy them. Don't don't question them don't look for their clots. She's a she's an eyesore, talking to a boy in the
Don't know, just say mashallah hope I can get together.
So, one, one of the things that our forebears have advised us and counseled us with, look up to those above you in religion.
And look down to those not on down to not down one down to those beneath you in the world. So sometimes we do the opposite. We go down
to those beneath us in religion, then we feel pious, they never come to mind.
I come once a month
so now look up to those and, and religion then if you so we inverted we look down to those in religion, and then it makes us feel pious. Like we're on top of it. And we look up to those above us in dunya in the world, and then we don't appreciate our blessings.
You know, I don't know how come I don't have the Tesla
to save the Clyde
just have a Toyota Corolla?
Why have you looked down to those millefeuille in the world last year, I love this Corolla with a blessing. brother sister Hatfield walk,
take the bus and then walk, that shall I have the ability to just leave my house, getting my car, come right into the parking lot.
So it shouldn't inverted down to those. The evening the world when you appreciate, appreciate your blessings, and look up to those above you and religion and then build a spire you to try to do better.
So that's a way that we increase our yo team. Another thing that we should do is do, we should pray. Like before you go to bed every night you should pray, I'll be honest, sometimes I was so tired to get in the bed. And I My knee is to pray. But I don't believe in anything. I just remember my head hitting a pillow.
Not every night, but more nights than I was comfortable with. So I recall the time when I was I didn't grow up as a Muslim.
And grew up in a Christian family. And we were taught every night before you go to bed, you kneel down beside your bed, or you made a prayer.
This used to do like this. And the prayer was the following.
Now I live down to sleep, I pray My Lord my soul to keep If I should die before I wait, I pray the Lord my soul to take, then we get off off on these and get in the bed. So I started doing that
my wife can bear with us.
I started getting on my knees every night and make my dua. And I haven't missed a night without doing the whole, twice several things. And so that's a practice that I would encourage all of you to do. Was dua is the weapon of the belief. And in these days, when there are forces that are waging warfare against Islam, against Muslims, against people of religion in general, against spirituality, they want to sort of be so attached to the material, that we don't even think about our soul and the destiny of our soul and the nature of our soul and the importance and primacy of our soul. primacy because this body is going to go
God that is cool and they have everything here is perishing, including our bodies.
Making prayer. Pray, pray in the morning, pray in the evening. Take time and get like I said, Do do things get down on your knees and Jad. The, the one you fall down on the knees and pray to Allah subhanaw taala you're walking around in the news what I do who can tell you that effort the day of publica
We're in the SIR Elta Fest and we
want to stand up for Stan Willis, oh,
besser rising the seventh here years.
So we all learn I'm going to teach you some phrases.
Remember, be mindful of life, you will protect the mind of Allah you will find them before you as if he's before you in terms of checking your actions. And when you ask anything, first and foremost, asking from Allah. And if you seek protection of venting or assistance, rather, seek assistance for many more anyone, first and foremost, seek the assistance of Allah. Ask Allah for a more refined spiritual essence. Ask Allah subhana wa taala. For a stronger connection to the Quran, ask ALLAH SubhanA wa Taala for the good of understanding. So we have a lot of people that know a lot about Islam. Many of them on this campus, you have scholars, they're not even Muslim, about Islam during
the Firestone library, with Fred and Barney, although
during them library and all those Arabic stacks, and they're just that's their life. You go into their libraries and a wall of Arabic books, every book we put up, there's marginal notes scribble in the side, that's their life. They know so much about Islam,
but they don't understand in the Bible.
They know a lot they don't understand. Because if they understood if all of that knowledge would have been translated into faith
then you read you let him be here Chiron effect killed within the one Allah desire is good for you gives him or her a sound understanding of the religion so you kill DACA he was banned. Because this was a prophetic, same as before the became a technical term,
a legal term. So here's linguistic news that killed the deme it gives him or her a sound understanding of religion. And so
ask Allah for understanding.
ask Allah for agenda. Because in asking to ask Allah to protect you, from the hellfire.
These are these are things that that heighten our sense of
certainty. Because at the end of the day, you're paying a locker N and as your team not as the verb, the verb many times means certainty, but Yochanan itself means the whiteboard or Rebecca has yet to come in. So worship your Lord until that comes to quiet because that's the one thing was certain about is that it used to be death and taxes by the Tea Party and kind of read and then to be phrasing of the tax or they don't want any taxes. So you're not so sure about the taxes but the depth are we're absolutely certain about so this these things helped to bring about the opinion. Now the worst and didn't know Okay, the second so fitna to shoot the fitna tribulation of doubt, which
lies and given priority, to
And over the Divine Law
is the tribulation of doubt. And then this fitna to shatter
the tribulation of loss or longing. And the tribulation of longing, is repulsed by patience,
tribulation of longing as you posed by patients. And so the verse Allah Thailand says in the Quran in surah Sajida he says
what Jana minimum and maintain dunya be Amina lamelle Small booboo can be a teenager.
So there's three things here.
For John four things were John Lennon, who Emma we may liters
of them, was referring to the Prophet some
Then he is frail. But there's an interpretive principle some you're familiar with, but we'll say that for the benefit of those who
are on the Emperor, too. So the lesson we might derive from a particular text
able to the or more or more love the generality of the wording, lead the whole, Susannah not based on the specificity of the occasion of Revelation. So, the immediate saw address the the people being immediately addressed are the leaders of Venezuela. But the wording is general for more than ever to be lethal men will not let the hostile society so the immediate seven leaders profits of the Jews.
But the general lesson, we may levers from them, leaders from us
who commanded who guided by our command. And so our leadership should be based on our commitment to the command of Almighty God commanded
that should be the foundation of our leadership. And then what facilitated that that why is the leadership dilemna Sabo, so Fiddler to shoot Shaohua towards
the south. So the the fitna and tribulation of loss. So the loss is, is given priority priority. I skip that part.
A lot. Oslo is foundation
toward the moon of the moon.
Lila and Hauer and an apple has given priority to the columns as the passing suggestions over the internet. So you should try this. Have you thought about the same?
thing is killing people
doing an experiment? We'll think
so the hardware says
you don't have to get the marijuana
Talking, your app says so how does like like smoking smoking is haram smoking is
don't don't believe
this like smoking is haram as there are people dying from lung disease from vaping. You can do that strong too easy to slip your head website and say
it a couple of times. So talk with him and how it happened. That's the foundation of the tribulation of loss talked about. The sub is repulsed by patience. So how was his do this and you say, oh, wait a minute, sit down. What happens is passing then it goes and then you go about your business. You don't allow it to become a, a
a serious thought that you entertain then it becomes our lust and then it becomes conviction and then engage in it. And so they have what they have patience, which is minimal and maintain. Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm Marina alumna Saba
when they patiently posted
what can so we have the patience. There are a lot of things that are going to come our way especially in university especially now because there are no there are no restraints. You know, it's the era of surrender to your desire by Las Vegas.
Is that pronounced lost wages
Las Vegas, Las Vegas, they used to have a sign when you got to lost wages.
Surrender to your desires and surrender to your desires. And so that's the message right so now it's just not at Las Vegas is everywhere. The the zeitgeist that informs our time can be summarized in those words. Surrender to your desires.
Know I'm a man
you know, I'm an ex wife.
Well, I'm the a woman. Serenity your desire to
see a doctor get some hormone treatments, castrated and fixed up for
hooked up and thus designed dice. Surrender to your desires.
You know I want to try vaping what's wrong with it? You know, that Koran says common is
vaping is uncommon,
marijuana's downcomer then it gets sophisticated, the hours reading and thick that are dry and toxic and isn't the Jassa so the alcohol is really forbidden because it's in the Jassa and the last forbidden film, but it's not an adjusted because it's dried so we can smoke it. That's my shell but that is such impressive legal gymnastics.
It's like that machine is like that. That's what came out of that glass bottle was turning the crank wheel
look in the glasses
the patient don't follow your house. Just let it ride let it ride
Be patient and that's one of the keys to leadership we made them leaders
after they who who guided by our command
after they were patient
for can be a year Tina up and they were absolutely certain concerning our son and that's the pain. So with the team based on their certainty concerning the signs of Allah. We see signs now you guys we came down here from Connecticut. My mother know how the leaves of the where the winter the Massachusetts border
what's the country way up in the mountains.
They don't describe described
just still mostly green, mostly green. But as they
write a poem, no colors that inspire you to reflect on Joyce Kilmer. He's from New Jersey, even then the rest of
I think that I shall never see a pop as lovely as a tree. A tree that looks at God all day, and needlessly sleepy arms to pray. A tree whose mouth is firmly pressed against the Earth's growing breasts. A tree that might end somewhere unless the Robins in her hair. Intimately upon whose vows the snow has made, and intermittently lives with rain, palms on the unfolds.
But the tree is a metaphor, indeed the
vicious trees at the nation, the non coniferous tree, the non evergreen tree, right, because this spring, from nothing that leaves sprout, and then they come out. And then you're mature and lush and vibrant. And then towards August, they start to shrivel up, they're still green, but they lose a lot of their vibrancy. And then in the fall, they start ditching colors. And then later into the fall. They start if they still in the tree long enough, they turn brown and then they fall off. And then they're gone. But they fertilize the earth and they provide the stuff that brings for them the seeds for the acorns fall. And the leaves provide fertilizer as they decompose. And the acorn takes move,
and starts the cycle over again. That's a metaphor for our lives.
And so we see these things, and they should bring certainty to us that we're going to die, who lives and the input we know but our die or death is not in vain. The God of those leads so so purpose.
They become the staff for new life. So your leadership and your life is serving a purpose. And when you pass on the intellectual legacy, the spiritual legacy that you leave the legacy of intellectual achievement is providing the fertilizer for subsequent generations. So leader understands that and internalizes that and finds great purpose in this life. There's no
nihilism, and Islam
from beginning to end,
consciousness and leadership
when I was in Syria,
but mentioned it was summarize consciousness of leadership.
So one of the prayers were taught to me which I learned in training Inanna, leaders leaders for the whitest
consciousness leadership, and you guys should be conscious of your leadership. Have you look at Max Weber's?
Not why have you read these days.
But he mentioned 10 sociological phases for leadership. So amongst them was, well, most of you come from well off.
Maybe not millionaires and billionaires, but well off them.
And then knowledge,
probably virtually all you come from very good school system, even you went to public school, your parents chose districts that were highly rated in your respective states, you went to good schools. And that's how you ended up in the colleges that she's studying. So wealth, knowledge status. So when you graduate from Princeton,
or Yale, or Harvard, or Columbia,
that status, you become part of a very select group of people.
Status. And so you look at these various Foundations of Leadership you possess, you guys possess, most of us only say that to say, you're being pushed towards leadership positions in society.
We've been pushed towards a leadership position. So you should have a consciousness of that, and you should embrace it, don't run from it. And that needs to Well, I can let me go then. So the Divine Law, be aware and conscious that revelation has its importance. It provides things that
other than other sources, for example, virtues problem with
a finding a universal objective law,
or objective source of law.
So I like Kant, and his categorical imperative, and this effort to find a virtuous foundation along so can I have religion can this but it's a struggle.
And without the imposition of the state, the prompt was very status.
And through the educational system to program people to think of certain way. So some some critics of Kant, they say that Kant's reason, raw rationality wasn't rationality at all. It was a process of reasoning
that was desired to produce a certain outcomes, because of his emphasis on individual freedom and autonomy. That outcome is very subjective. And so is it difficult for it to become the source of a shared law,
which was his whole project? So but Islam doesn't have that problem. Revelation doesn't have that problem. And the beauty of Islam, a lot of people don't realize this. I'll tell you the beauty of Islam
is we have revelation, but Revelation is a source of a law for those who voluntarily accepted.
And then for those who don't, they have their own sources of law. So for example, Can Christians drink wine in a Muslim country? I mean, Sharia like idealic, they can, but they can sell it in public. They can brewing in the houses, or they can open up public brewery.
So because why their law allows them to drink wine.
And then there's the there's the fitrah, throw, throw, tenacity, and fit through federal law hill at the bottom unnecessarily.
Long Kalapana in Santa Fe is in a pocket.
And so this is shared by all of humanity. So as Muslims, we can have a project where we look for those shared values, and virtues that transcend religion, and for some, for all of us, that becomes a foundation of law and society. So we have multiple sources
to create common
sources to facilitate our mutual peaceful coexistence. And so your generation, one of your projects is to actualize that and forget the Muslim world like someone to say, Oh, you talking about look at the Muslim world is going to hell in a handbasket. Number one, that's not true. I'm going to do an exercise that we can get into the interactive part. Well, that's the first source of interaction after this, so the conscience of Allah, constants of leadership, consciousness of the role of Revelation, which is a play in our society and in our life, patience and certainty, certainty. Now, the lid, the the leadership story, I wanted to tell when we were in Syria, he was studying one of
the new students coming from an English speaking country, I forget which way it was in the United States In the United Kingdom, possibly, I don't
know just most people were coming from American United Kingdom, not to give them kind of
So so he said, we went to see Sheikh Abdullah mana show gold.
And he said, Can you tell the shape of the hill? No.
I just came here to learn my art is basic
obligations and wants you to harm me to protection.
And I don't want to be a great scholar.
And the Sheikh said, Whoa, he said, to tell him, ask him, Why don't you want to be a great scholar? When Allah said, which I learned the Matatini man, make us leaders for the righteous. But he said, tell him but you want to do it for the service of your Lord and service of the people and not for the service of your nuts for the service of the people.
So on that note, we'll open the transition with segue into I was looking for the word segue and I was looking for the word like s eg w a y.
And it said like a two wheeled scooter.
That was segwaying can
then go on and on. We've had it might be spelled. So don't panic.
lecturing us. So I looked at S E. G, up. And lo and behold, it is and you tell me and also my brother's a musician. He played with a very famous jazz musician. What these guys were like, they were national. They were national.
They went to France, right? And so they were asking for seasame bonds. That's my segue into
linguistic blunders sesame.
okay. So as soon as the segue into the wider conversation, so as you guys, okay, how many Muslims in the world?
Approximately four ballpark.
1.6 7.7 1.7. Right. All right.
How many places right now Muslims in conflict? Like Alton open hostilities.
So northern Syria, right. Right. So in this region of
Kurdish control, third of northern Syria, what's the Kurdish name for the region?
Row for Java for Java? So row Java, how many how many people in Java not everyone is affected by people in the North? How many people will Java
3 million? How many of those you think directly affected by the Turkish invasion or operation?
I said three no all three little worse is that so we have three minimum where else to do conflict.
Palestine how many Muslims in Palestine
average about 3 million, but let's say for the demographic.
We Don't Die, we multiply. So that's 7 million. What else is that complex about the 7 million? China, China wiggers. How many Uyghurs are affected by these Chinese atrocities and genocidal acts of cultural genocide? Even physical genocide?
a million? And about
told us that we know we're up to 10 million. Where else?
Jana? How many Muslims in young over the population? Christian No, thank you. How many puppets who up to 10 million population of Yemen?
20 million. US let's say 20 minutes work with 30 million points. Is there conflict because Kashmir is
and how many how many Muslims in Kashmir
that are affected.
Let's say the whole population. They're all affected right now. They're all on lockdown and knocked out and no. incommunicado.
Yeah, let's say Tinder. What are we up to now?
Up to 40 million wells confident
may Yanmar but most just in the regions where Rohingya
Muslims in Rangoon know how many
down to the you know the baby that was born five minutes
to let's say 3 million, what are you up to now?
43 mil? Where else?
Afghanistan right now? How many was the population Afghanistan? 30 million 30 million. So where does that put us?
Suddenly 3 million. Okay, where else?
Iraq was the populace?
10 million. But even though Iraq we could we could argue that not everyone's but you do have those protests. So tense so we're up to what are we up to 83 Lily coils
What is your most people need? You're physically threatened with war and insecurity. There definitely was
no press freedom. And, you know, the challenge with life advantage case of
When two years preserve the process, vote mercy out
in our bow, Mercy gotta go. And then
CC has the Gulf.
Like, fellas, the girls ladies.
So, but like society muster isn't affected by this stuff.
So we can't give the whole 80 million Egyptians. How many how many women only get like really affected by what's going on.
To Okay, so that makes an even 85 million. Where else
Sudan the whole country which is called Tolman on doorman.
Far it's outside of.
Okay, so how many million?
Let's say, where are we at? 85 million.
Now let's go to let's go to 100 million Bismillah.
How many people in need to mind? 2 million. So let's say 3 million
100 3 million. Where else?
Somalia. How was the population?
10 million. So 100 13 million. Where else Senegal?
Not Senegal. We're not. We're not accepting.
Senegal? I'm not. No we're not
Nigeria, all of Nigeria.
Right okay in this war.
This is Boko Haram. Okay, how many
5 million, let's say 10 million 120 3 million I world, Muslims in India
but like oppression, but like the right physical attack of threat it, it could get there, especially with the BJP and the RSS and Modi being the leader of that movement. And now he's the Prime Minister, but I don't think is there yet. Would you agree? The potential is there?
potential is there. But we'll take 10 million take 10. So 100 233 billion, where else?
Let's say the rest of the OMA is so 130 3 million was good the rest of the month 200 million, where the 20 million from 1.7 million
subtract 1.7 billion
so we're 1.5 1.10 we are to work.
Use my point already. Here's my point. I think we were very generous in
immediately conflict zone. And we still have 1.5 billion who aren't.
And so the point is this and definitely not to belittle or dismiss those who are. And not to say we haven't don't have an outreach to assist and do everything possible to assist but to say that
things aren't as gloomy as they sometimes appear.
And so we have to take advantage of the opportunity.
to cultivate the kind of leadership that can help to alleviate the suffering of those who are because we have that face. And we have that opportunity.