Waleed Basyouni – Bulugh Al Maram EP08

Waleed Basyouni
AI: Summary © The legal system is discussed, including the history and use of water, the use of logic tools, and the importance of understanding reality in the context of Islam. The speakers emphasize the need for proper clothing and etiquette, as well as avoiding confusion and misunderstandings. The speakers also touch on the use of gold and silver plates, their cultural references, and the potential for silver and gold to be used for cutting and making jewelry.
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Salam Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh smilla hamdulillah salat wa salam ala rasulillah hora de la Safi woman wa all that all praise you to align praise and blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi

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wa sallam

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who's our words our book and or Abdullah today is not here

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anyone who has the book trade

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sisters brothers none

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both sides are completely

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rely on memory I can you can read with that book I mean from your memory I'm fine since you guys don't have books

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now okay

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chapter two we're going to start with the pencils

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Got it?

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Can he take the microphone so people can hear

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Oh, we got the book

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narrated for definitely a man

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on the line where he said that also loss of a light SLM said, Do not drink and silver or gold utensils and do not eat in plates of such metals. For such things are for them the disbelievers in this worldly life and for you in the hereafter agreed upon

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by the law and how that also the loss of a lot he was an upset he drinks in a silver utensil is only swallowing Hellfire in his stomach agreed upon this

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can read the urban yeah David media model deal behind him out quite awkward interviews of a lot a lot a

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lot of cool ofis

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in dunya

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Takapuna de Panama law, a lot of lies a lot a lady Yeshua boo

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innama Uj, g roofie, bakunin, Allah Johanna otaku, la La,

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la, la La, La La him a whole la environment half of have been hedgehog. Certain said, This is Chapter Two utensils and

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utensils in the containers that you put things put drinks or food inside it. That type of containers we call it Ania and Arabic language. And Can anybody here Tell me what the significant of talking about utensils after he finished talking about water? And all the rules related to pure water, not just water and so forth? And the burden and how can I Kamiya jabil? Ania? Why do you think this order? Don't just think they just put it for no reason. There is a reason behind it is the logic behind it? Can you think of it?

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Raise your hand because I don't know who's speaking

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what is not pure? It's Ania. So why why Ania? Why the tinsels came right after the ruling of the water and

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nudges and the pure water, nudges water and so forth? Yes.

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Obviously, the water it has to be contained in some form of containers. That's right. So since he talked about the ruling of the water, now he speaks about that rules of that thing that you put the water inside it.

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Then what's the the third logical thing will be?

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Yeah, everything related to pencils, right.

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The use of the water Yes, America lifestyle, a company, the use of the water. That's why the next chapter is

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an illusion. It's a very interesting word.

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Just putting all the chapters right after another

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and then he started here with Hadith has a pharaoh the Allahu wa. Alba and this hadith is absolutely authentic hadith reported by Bukhari Muslim and we learned before that any head is reportable Bukhari Muslim. It's in the highest level of authenticity, Allah Raja Sabha water Buhari and Muslim agreed upon and this hadith Hadees today for urban Alia, man, are they alone? Are they fat, been Aliyah man today for the son of a man the son of has or Hussein or haseen.

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halifa is a companion and his father your man is a companion. Okay. Both of them.

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Great companions of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam who they spend a quiet time with the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and he was so close to the prophets of Salaam hatsumi Asahi basilea rasulillah salam, O Soumya Sahiba Rasulullah saw Salah he was called the prophets of Salaam secrets keeper so the prophets of Salaam told him certain informations not related to religion

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has nothing to do with religion because there is nothing secret in the religion

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and our a major misunderstanding that you might find between the Sydney belief and non Sydney believe when it comes to narrations like this because nothing in the religion is private or hidden or given to certain individual and the rest of the Ummah and secret. No, sometimes the prophets of Salaam will share the knowledge with some of based on their ability to understand the knowledge but the knowledge of Sheree I was offered to everybody. So the secret that the prophets of Salaam told him is not with the rules and regulations but secrets like what, like the list of the names of all the hypocrites in the society. The processor knows who are the hypocrites in Medina by names, but in

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addition didn't mention them by name. Because he don't want to create what a division a chaos

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a fight a civil war inside the Medina. So because of that Omar Ali Allahu unsaid whenever anyone died in Medina from an unsolved I will look at who they face. If he prey on that person, I'll pray Jenna's on him, but they've refused to pray on him. I will not pray on that person. Because they know that he knows all the names of the hypocrites, or the Allahu anhu Allah, who they first said, cannon naseous I do not have soda lice Allah, send them and inhale will come to Hulu Anisha, Mahabharata and aka Avi, people used to ask the prophets of Salaam about the good things that will happen and all the you know the glad tidings that are coming. But I used to ask him about the

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Phaeton the troubles, the problems, the challenges, the evil things that will happen in the future. Why? Because I was worried about it, trying to protect myself from it.

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And that goes with the famous line out of two shuttle holiday Sheree rockin liter of tea or melayani full highrock Nina Shirley yup overlayer for Sharla minakari yokkao fee I get you know good from that not because I love that or try to get to know the bad not because I like the bad but if you don't like if you don't know the bad from the good you might ended up doing what is bad or wrong. Anyway, he died on the allow Anwar Hema in what is known today as iraq north of elemental muda in

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harmsen was that it ended his 35 around 3500 maybe 3600.

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He said

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in the Hadith,

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Lata Chavo fee and he at the hubby Wolfeboro while at kulu vc halfa narrated that the prophets of Salaam said do not drink in silver or gold utensil. And do not eat and plates of such metals.

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For such thing are for them the disbelievers and in this word alive and for you in the hereafter. Also, he mentioned Hadeeth masala mahalo the Allahu anhu Allah wa. Musa mahadi ma Jeeva one of the amazing woman, she she was an amazing woman. Oh Hey Mama. What are the Allahu Allah our

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The mother of the believers. Her name is anybody knows her name.

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oma Salama.

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Hint, hint. The daughter hint, been to Abby oma yetta

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Maria, the daughter of Eva Abner Mahara. mousumi, Cora Shia from one of the most noble, recognizable

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household in Croatia and maca, very noble woman. She became well known for her career her nickname ami Salama the mother of sentiment, she was really a very, very noble woman. And

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her father was one of the leaders of the people of Mecca,

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and well known of his generosity.

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And this is something just a side point. Those who want to lead the must be generous.

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You can't leave if you're not generous. Sometimes people ask me, why sometimes clearly exam center, give and leave in basically share and gift to others and because generosity it means leadership.

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You want to lead you need to be generous with your time generous with your money generous with your, you know, that's what leadership is all about is generosity. Anyway, he was very generous, that to the extent that he has a rule, if you ever traveled with her father, you're not allowed to bring provision and your journey no matter how long your journey is.

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The valley can use some bizarre rock

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her father, Yanni the provision of the journey, the provider of the journey, he provides for every one travel him and you know, in the old days is not like you know, I'm going to Chicago tomorrow. Check him out. Come on, hook you up. Let's travel together. No, it's a journey. It means a caravan. It means a pool of cars it means many people traveling together and he was still not allowed anyone to bring food or provision or any money with you. He will spend everything on you and your trip.

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Anyway, so this is his daughter. On misalignment Ella hint just to kind of get an idea. Her cousin is who

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abou Jehan,

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her first cousin.

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Okay. And also her. She is that Neff, the cousin. She is the cousin of cognitive niladri. In the same time

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she hired her nephew, and she's the cousin of holiday in Italy. And Abuja has basically her cousin

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Mr. Mahoney allow among the early people who accepted his snap and she suffered like the rest of the Muslims.

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And her and her husband and her son were under this pressure and they decided to what to migrate to Habesha. They went to EPA Sr. and it didn't they there is the rumor came in at the senior the first trip go to a senior there is a rumor came that people of Makkah became Muslims. So she came back with her husband This is a noble woman from a noble tribe coming back to her roots. And so when she came back to Mecca, she found out that the case still bad, as bad as she left it or even worse. When the permission was given to the believer to go to Medina, she decided to go with her husband. But I don't know if you know the story or not. But when she about to leave her family and his family said

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No way. No way. Her family said no way a normal woman like ours will move to Medina. She left the first time to ever senior without us approving this one never. It's enough that you have made our daughter follow that evil religion.

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And so bad.

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She became like, more tender, she became infidels he became, you know, upon another religion. That's enough and they were very angry at him. We'll never let her ever let her travel with you. She stays in Mecca. She's a noble woman.

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So now the pulled her. So her husband's family tribe also he's from a noble tribe. They came and they said it's enough that you took the woman from her husband and you taking our son because her son is the son of her father follow the Father. And he said we will not let our son stay with with them.

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mother's family, you know the in laws fight. So, okay, so that became a fight and the poor kid in the middle they start pulling him and the the the father's family pulling him and the mother family pulling the kid what they did for holla catcher.

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They dislocate his shoulder and his his hand, it became useless completely because of all the pulling.

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But he ended up with his father's family. Then what's worse than that has fought her father her husband's family refused to give the kid to the Father to go with him to Medina.

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And refuse for her to see her son. Can you imagine the situation she is in Mecca, her husband and Medina and her son with his family and McCann not allowed to see his mother. Any the whole family scattered in such way?

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Strange. She used to go outside crying every day. Every day she'll go outside, crying, missing her husband, and her son kind of feeble

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until somebody passed by her among the leader of Mecca. And he said, Why is he this poor woman crying every day. They told him and he said I will take care of her. He went to her family and to the Father to the husband's family. And he arranged for her to be reunited with her son and she traveled to Medina. But after the Battle of her husband was wounded very badly, two or three months later he died and she became a widow after she moved to

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Can you imagine like there is a lot to be said but this is just a short version of her story.

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As such woman everybody will be like impressed by her.

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She had four children

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whether with four children

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and she said when I heard the prophets of Salaam said anyone strike by a calamity and that person would say a llama journey if you must leave at the higher a minha in the heart of Allah

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anyone strive economic and he said a long journey of humans liberty and Allah be for me and my calamity and my this disaster

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and replace me something better than this.

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She said I said to myself, who can be better than Abu Salim?

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And after he left Medina, he never married another one. And that's a common thing in that time. You know, he waited for me the love between them traveling together to the senior who can be better than a boo, boo Sam.

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Even abubaker even our Walker for her. That's why I wish I could propose to her she refused. She refused him said I'm not gonna do she refused to marry over.

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Then in nebby sal Allahu Allahu alayhi wa sallam asked for her hand.

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Even when she said this.

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She knew that the process Allah when he said Allah will give him something better governance better, she knew that they will have and she ended up marrying Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam. in Ibiza Sala married her in the fourth year of Hydra. And she died in the age of 84 years old. While the Allah and Allah wa she is a solid motor. She's the last one of the province of salams wives who died and she died very soon after the death of Al Hussein. When she heard that he was killed. She was crying on her knees, and she was very moved by his death. And few days a week she died after that. That was a 59 hijiri.

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she said about the alarm on her that she heard the promises of them saying alethea Shara bofi Ania till filbur in nema yujiro fi botany now Roger Hanim

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FIBA alfalfa howdy for those who enjoy Arabic, you Georgie roofie about me now who jahannam been under hufa le GA,

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well short and narrow road.

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So this headed the process of him saying he who drinks in the street

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Over utensil is only swallowing Hellfire in his stomach

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reported by barrio Muslim so this is very authentic howdy

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this hadith a swallow reported by Buhari Muslim he said Salah Salim whoever drinks in a silver utensil okay there is one narration came and say Muslim whoever drinks drinks from a silver or gold utensils

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swallowing like a fire in his stomach.

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Buhari or Muslim both agree on the duration with no goal but in Muslim another narration which is authentic added the goal.

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Okay, so just for the record to be clear.

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Let's look at some of these words that came in the Hadith. utensils of

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gold or silver came in the both honey

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in there before bed eating and utensils made of gold or silver or drinking from it. What that means utensils made of gold and silver. It means it means that this cup this plate, this fork, this spoon is either 100% made of gold, or dominated by golden silver.

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The End can emit any of that any film, but the way it was described in Arabic, it means it's a gold utensil.

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What's the pure gold?

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What? karats

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2124? Shah very good. You must you must be married person. 24 Okay 2024 not because women know gold better than men. No, because when you get married, you get

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Very smart. 24 is hold on 24 is the pure gold. But pure gold, you cannot change it.

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That's why if you take a brick of gold, that's a 24 you know, but you cannot change it. That's why the add to it copper. And when you add copper to it, or other element, it will make it flexible to be shaped. And that what you call 21 carats of gold. But still, it's a 28 to consider a pure gold. So any utensil made of 21 carats of gold, or 18 carats of gold or 14 carats of gold is still considered a potential of gold. And if it is the same, same thing applies silver can be shaped so the point is that the majority or the the main element of that utensil is gold or silver. But if the gold and silver is something very small percentage in the utensil

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that we don't call it a utensil made of gold or a golden utensil or silver returns. And we'll talk more about that in a little bit.

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He said plate cipher. What's the cipher that the head said the translated plate? a cipher. It's interesting just to for those who want to know what that word exactly mean. A suffered means a plate which is usually made of wood that's what the usually the cipher medo and usually a cipher. It's a big plate that five people can eat from it.

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Part of a soft tissue becomes a chemical casaya Oh

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is that limiting the plates to this category of plates this type of flight?

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No. So the person I'm just mentioned a cipher the plate as an example. It could be a ball. My someone who can use logic tools. Elena, you see think he's a philosopher and a smart guy. He said, You know what, so bowl of gold is okay. But plate is not okay. You know, a pot made of gold or silver. It's okay. No. So he just made an example of the plate. But that applies to anything that you eat from directly or indirectly. Like sometimes there is. Sweeney or Simona tipsy

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This tray, the serving tray.

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If it's a silver, the trades made of silver same rule you're not allowed to use it. Even if you don't eat directly from it, it's like the pot. You don't if you don't eat from it or not, sometimes you ate from the tray directory is sometimes not. So orange it is gold. So anything that it is has to do with serving food or eating the food. And that will include fork. knife, spoons, chopsticks.

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Oh man arose cool. Oh, yeah, sure. chopsticks just leave it Oh, the Chinese

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huh? I gotta be real gold. Okay, so anything cups, jobs, tray, a pots, anything like that will be included in this hobby. Then in Ibiza, Salim said for in the home for dunya it belongs to them in this worldly life.

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Hina and then applied

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or solia, the old

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either Janice Libyan in Waka fana, mfu mela,

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when we have attacks that describe reality, it doesn't mean that this tax can be a rule can be driven from that text.

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This is a rule of principle. I'll say it again. If we have a text that describes reality in the time of the prophets of Salaam, it doesn't mean that that's an approval from the prophets lamp to this practice.

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So when in the visa Salam said it belongs to them in the dunya he describing what they practice, not that the process of them saying it is allowed for them to do it is not approving what the doing. He just relating to us what they are doing. Yeah, you have Latina Manu Lata Kuru Reba, Botha MOBA. Oh, you believe don't consume rebound, don't consume Reba.

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Multiple times. Nobody can say, Oh, so it means if I am not the consumer, I'm the boss. I'm the giver of the rebates. Okay? Because the verse always talk about the consumer, not the one who paid the interest is the one who received the interest, the verse say, those who consume the interest those who receive the interest. So that means those who give the interest are out of it. No, it's not. The verse just simply talking about the common practice of the people. Because the issue of interest was mainly related to the people who consume, not the people who get the verse came to describe the situation. You don't drive rules from a verse that describe reality.

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And there is many things like that. So here we don't means that it is hard for them to do it. Or the person said, hey, go do it. No, it means that this is the process of describing what they do.

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Otherwise, they're drinking from this type of pencils only increase their punishment and hellfire.

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this led the scholar to discuss an issue

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was the Kufa the disbelievers,

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required by Islam are required by law

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to practice the laws of Islam.

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And if they don't, where they be hold accountable for it.

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Number one, number one,

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and I'm going to give you a summary there's a long discussion.

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And in my opinion, this discussion need to be reframed. The way I will see it say to you to appreciate the debate.

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So the frame that's exists in the books of yeppoon Harold kuffaar, Mahatma bonamana, born before a Sharia law, is the non Muslims prescribed upon them the rules of Islam or not. The majority says yes, the minority said no minority like the Hanafi is the majority like the Hanbury the Shafi the Malik is the Hanafi and some of the Humbert he said no. And

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the right framing here to this issue is the following is not just what I said the right framing is highly

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fopp motala bouwen before a Sharia, I'm hadden kuffaar Maha Sabu and Omar, Omar kaboom, before Sharia, there is a difference between the two. Are the non Muslims required to apply the rules of Islam? The answer is no. Nobody ever would say that non Muslims woman need to wear hijab.

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Nobody ever would say that the non Muslim person needs to pray five times a day. Nobody will say that. But they will cite in the Day of Judgment, would that person be held accountable for missing the five daily prayers for not wearing Hijab for eating poor 444? etc?

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That's debate. Some scholar said yes. Some scholar said no. Those who said

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no, they will not be held accountable for it. Because if a Muslim if a person now enter Islam, if that a person became a Muslim, would you ask that person to pray all the missing Salah his life?

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No. If it was prescribed upon him, you should.

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But it was not prescribed upon him because he was not a Muslim. That's one side of the argument. The other side would say no, it was prescribed It was a sin but that sin wiped out when he became Muslim.

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But they will come back even if the sin is wiped out. You still have to do it like a Muslim now, Mr. Salah Okay, he still have to make it up. So the argument back and forth, those who said they are going to be held accountable for these deeds and the Day of Judgment is because Allah said in the portal and masala confy sobre, la comida mousseline while I'm not Kanata mo miskeen. We did not used to pray, we did not used to give zakah.

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But is this verse strong enough to establish that in my opinion, no. Because these, this is the mentioning of the salon. And there's a cat is not for the salon itself. And there's a cat. So it means we were not doing this big to represent that they were not Muslims. So the mentioned Islam by mentioning part of is now

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Otherwise, the use of an miskeen.

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The kofod, of course, used to give food to the poor.

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That's right. The kuffaar of course, used to pray.

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Yeah, he used to make hedge they used to do this, but what does not accept them from them because they didn't do it as Muslims. So the whole point will go back to us the

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Islam, that they were not, they were never they were basically never a believer. And that's the whole discussion is all about my opinion.

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But in any way, there is a third opinion I know of anybody like interested that is a third opinion. I know

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whom motala booneville caffi Anil mahana well here matana bienville amaravati. But they said a law only will hold them accountable, not for the

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orders, but will hold them accountable if they broke the rules.

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Like if they kill if they steal, if they furnish

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but they will not ask about the prayed that the fast colony and now they have taken in a Nia Aslan,

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you don't initiate sell out of the car or car until unless you have an intention for it.

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Anyway, I don't want to drive but this is for those who benefit. These are three different opinion in law item. The strong opinion among all of them, in my opinion, is the minority position, which is they are not asked for it in the dunya. But why did I mention this today in my class? Because this is important for us in America here. A lot of people think that Muslims want to apply the Islamic rules upon the public who are not Muslims. We don't force the non Muslim to practice Islam.

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In an in a Muslim country majority, we don't force Islam over them. And we don't ask them to pray. We don't ask them to fast. We don't ask them to pay job. We don't ask them to do that. We they're not. They're not asked. That's why they used to drink alcohol. They used to have Hummer they used to have their own life. We didn't enforce our rules over them.

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And that's from the time of the companion of their lower animal. I'm Derek lamotta in Nevada, when the krisztian came to a model they allow and with the wine and they said this is our share the tax that you should. Basically we should give

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I must say I don't take wine we don't accept wine,

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Thailand to Taiwan lobera Hotel Puna

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you sell it among yourself, then you give the 10th of it.

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So, that shows you that they used to have their own drinks they used to have their own transactions. Also in Nabi sallallahu, Sallam raw Alia hood,

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they have the pigs and they have the paint. And they used to sell the,

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the fact of the pigs, they used to some of the music to do for the ships. And that was practice among them. So that and that's in Islam not allowed, but among them they do that they do things of that nature. So my point here that nobody ever would say that or even think that we have to enforce the Islamic laws upon non Muslims. Look them Do you have your religion, I have my religion

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in the same line, some massage, they ask women before even in some Muslim country, before you go to a master, she has to put hijab on

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and she had to put a scarf on and she has to do this and she has to do that.

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And there is no islamically reason for you to ask her that. I think you should ask for decency. Damn good libs. Mataram

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She's not coming with a short She's not coming with skirt she isn't he's not coming with a short any there is a respectful dress. You like any if you go to court you don't just show up wearing

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short or so bathing suits. You know when you go to church you don't do that even though it's might be a challenge, some bizarre we go to court and we go to churches, for example, with a skirt, but still we tell them the proper etiquette according to the Muslim culture to the outer of the Muslim meat. So a proper clothes that beyond the knees and you know,

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even if it's a short sleeve or whatever long sleeve, we're not going to go into details, but it is acceptable.

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And even if there is some exceptions sometimes happen it happens to to all the massages and those are involved that I knows about that.

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But the point is, we know us to enforce our Islamic ruling upon them.

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He said sallallahu sallam, you grG roofie botany he now consume fire in his stomach. You judger Calumet Jara Jara, anybody knows what Georgia mean? You Georgia

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people think you judge him and you pull that comes from Lord algebra, algebra, it is when you put the water you know when you

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you know it's like that sound comes when you open your mouth and your I have one of my daughters she drinks like that. Okay, when she drinks she just take the whole thing together. You can hear the water going through her throat and hitting the stomach.

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I said one of them I didn't say nor out. I didn't mention any names. And I said one okay.

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Anyway, also it could be the abuse this to describe the voice of the the sound that comes from the camel when the camel drink the water can swallow the water Paul comes in. So let's call it means consuming a big portion of the water is straight to the stomach. That's how early Billa will do and Hellfire

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they will consume a huge amount of the fire and the boiling water and Hellfire inside their stomach. Not just a set, no huge amount they will consume it in nema coluna fievel Tony him now like what Allah subhanaw taala said in regard to that

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the people who consume that wealth of the orphans in sort of Tunisia.

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Because of this two Hadith the Prophet forbade and because the Hellfire is the punishment and the Hellfire cannot be punishment for anything but for what something haram

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almost, I can say every, I say almost all the scholars said the drinking from utensils that gold or silver, pure gold and silver

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Anybody disagree with that? Yes. Heather shaffir if you deem the old opinion, Shafi Rahim Allah and some of the the old chapter is in Iraq held into it. Also

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the old advisory from bahariya they said it's only dislike

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shadow law

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shadow and

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so this opinion that this is only for means disliked karahan z

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or I would that would avoid he said it's hot I'm only for drinking from a cup that is silver or gold, but it is permissible for eating. Why did he say that? Because he looked at the Hadith that you consume fire if you drink

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but we can dismiss this argument easily by saying there is another narration says Muslim eat or drink

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Okay, so that really doesn't hold any

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strong argue is not a strong argument anymore. An individual solemn forbade either German native and maybe forbid something so a lot, isn't it? And there is no proof to make an exceptions it means it's a lot. What's the exception that they have for this visit because in the visa solemn, one of his cups cracked and in Derby sallallahu Sallam filled that crack with

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a chain or a silver Jaffee other hand a piece of solemn

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horror was

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that Amman abuse or solemn decency that team in football? He said so that means it's a lot. But we say no. Here this is a very small amount just to fill the crock. It doesn't mean the Holy tencel is filled but he can just drop this honey, which is very clear text to that incident. That's why the vast majority of them out said it's forbidden It's hot. Why? Why it is hot on to drink from utensils made of gold and silver. what's the what's the reasoning behind it? And remember, Rahim Allah debated among themselves a lot. What is the reasoning behind it? Because when individuals sometimes it's for them in the dunya. And for us in the era, that's not a law, that's something you cannot

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pass on it.

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You can't make an analogy based on its for them and the dunya and for us and so what else can be, you know, associated with that reasoning, really nothing, you can't really use it. That's not how the ELA in the soul works. So they have to come up with the reason behind it. So they can use the same logic to apply to other things for tyloo and ELA some elements of color in the case of

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the reason behind forbidding eating from golden silver utensils, because you break the poor people's heart.

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Yeah, that's maybe wisdom but because there is so many things

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Things the rich people have can break the poor people's heart without giving example some people Mashallah they have their iPhone seven you know and it's like the fancy the charcoal one the you know the latest version of it on I'm still have like you know iPhone four okay

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stick break the hearts of the poor people you know you drive a 2017 or 18 even maybe, okay merseysiders blah blah, blah, and I drive a Honda I don't even know what's the make of it? Okay, so on Honda, you know, you didn't know what is it for current Misaki. So that's, that's not a reasoning otherwise everything will be many things will be how long? They said no. And in law, the reasoning behind it

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because golden silver in the old days were what the currency that's what the currency made up. So the said, if you're going to use the gold and silver in the market to make plates and go and

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utensils, what's happened to the gold and silver

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the value of it will go very high. And that will hurt the poor

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because not available anymore because they are reusing it. Carly and Heather not be adorable. Haha, it will create basically a chaos in the market. And for what for somebody to use it for food and drink.

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And they said gold and silver should be used for something better than that, like trade and purchasing and things of that nature.

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But is that true?

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That logic or reasoning? * have you Ella.

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Because how many people can offer to have golden silver of utensils very few reality will not really affect the market. So to make this as a reasoning, it's not really a reason. Some set may be the reason is imitating the kuffar.

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So because it's imitating the kuffar the imitation of the kuffar, it's forbidden, we say not every imitation of practice of the non Muslim it means it's haram to do for instance and nobody's a solemn said, Pray with your shoes on because the people of the book, they don't pray while they have their shoes on.

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Okay, I'll follow Fini article

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or the following. So, in Ibiza, saddam said that he said, Pray in your shoes on because the people of the book, pray with no shoes. I have a question for you. How many times the verse I'm pray with no shoes on

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1000s of time? Would he making imitation?

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No. Yes, the reality he does. He praying the way the same during Christian practice. But this imitation is not parallel. It's a common practice between we don't wear shoes when we pray most of the time. Is that is that clear? So to say that it is imitation. That's what's hard on not every imitation makes things harder. So that cannot be the reasoning. So what's the reasoning? Why the prophets of Salaam said it's haram to drink or to eat in gold? or silver plates and cups?

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arrogance, so somebody will tell you maybe it's not arrogant.

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Similar to arrogance.

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Same but is that a reason? To make a can you use this because if the moment you said it's a reason you can use the same logic applies to many other things.

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So just because of the time outside, am Rahim Allah said something and he was very strongly supporting his view over all the previous ones, by sign because if you start eating and drinking in silver and gold, that will go against the state of abou de la. That Abdullah, the one who's a servant of obedience of Allah, who's down to earth, no arrogance in his heart. If you are eating and golden so what lifts for agenda?

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The idea in another word, you basically living a very arrogant life. And that's Venus, the concept of Islam.

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To be down to earth to be humbled to be this to be that but again I don't see this really as a reasoning will allow Ireland hoonah freehold

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condominium to be a very few can see the difference between the following two points I'm going to cite

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Nan Lana Pathan, a lead

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to harryman they have one field look

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at the mistake that they're doing. They looking for the reasoning behind why using gold and silver as utensils is haram.

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What I think we should be looking at why? What's the reasoning behind forbidding eating and drinking from the gold and silver plates.

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And there is a quite different between the two. And I explained that later.

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For that fork being inlet is the hareem is the hub and

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we're a little closer to him in a

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Why? Because you're gonna know later on that you can use gold and silver according to the majority of the bar and other than eating and drinking.

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Because many of these things can apply to a golden pen.

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A gold phone

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real gold phone.

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Again, okay, so what on many workouts? It's a lot. So here we say what's to the Prop, the end of the reasoning is strictly related to the eating and drinking what will be the end what will be the reason in my opinion, nobody knows it's from the last panel. All the points that was mentioned are valid points are good points. I call them wisdoms Hakan. The tertiary wisdom behind legislation but not the inner lies because individual solemn said it is for them in the dunya and philosophy that's very specific very restricted to this specific ruling. We take it the way it is. Themes question. Can I apply the same ruling to plated gold and plated silver? I think that's mainly that's more

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practical here. plated silver plated gold. I have come across many times invited to many weddings many even Islamic events and rostra in weddings and fundraising dinners, stuff like that. And I found that they have pure Silver's even one time in the airplane to us.

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If you fly any first class you know

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you get in

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and you know in some of these airplane airlines when you go first class was supposed to give you actually a pure silver. utensil.

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who knows but most likely it's plated plated gold or plated silver. Can you use that and remember I have to position the vast majority of the fuqaha will tell you it's forbidden

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not allowed to use anything plated gold and silver. Why?

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Because every wisdom behind why it's how long to use pure gold and silver uplighter the arrogance the breaking the heart of the Poor's it just to the state that you're in it looks like because it looks like gold. It's not about the value not gonna sell it's about the experience of just feeling that I am eating on a golden plate that's happened with a pure gold or plated gold that what they said okay? And also because there is a hadith and eration that nebby salam said I will show you a min and he don't don't eat in a drink or in a in a plated in a gold or silver plate or if part of it any part of it is gold on plate. So they said since the plating plated gold, it's part of a goal.

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But this heading is really not authentic.

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The second opinion said it's allowed. Why? They said because plated golden silver very small amount compared to the actual amount of the plate. So we will make this analogy didn't the processor land filled the crack filled the crack with silver? That small amount. So if it's in the same line,

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okay, we allowed it. And basically, that's something some of the common law

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allowed it in the sense

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And there is no proof to say that this very small amount of gold or silver will be considered something how long

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I personally don't have a very strong position either way

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because both have very good argument but my recommendation is try to avoid it

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and many I never used it I never allowed myself to use plated gold or silver utensils are many times I was in position people made fun of me and I saw people on the table dinner table and hotels and stuff like that they looked at to me because I asked for a plastic spoons

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I said no I said plastic spoons Can you imagine first class restaurant and I said plastic spoon plays

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an airplane plastic spoons

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are always my hand but I'm not gonna get it

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and I'm ready

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i'm not i'm not gonna take that you're not gonna take that use consume fight and health is not worth it no matter how the food is

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another question? Am I said the head he said eat he forbade eating or drinking from a utensil made of golden silver tub. What about using golden silver items in other than eating or utensils that you don't use it for eating?

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No, not

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gold tooth or anything? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about items. Like either it's a plate. Let's say I have this beautiful gold plate. And I want to use it as a decoration. I have a job made of silver. And I want to make it as a vase.

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I'm not gonna drink from it

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on Asian as a vase.

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But what about pin

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made of gold?

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What about

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watch made of gold or silver?

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what about

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jewelry? Yeah, that's a debate it can be jewelry or not silver. Let's put a silver. Okay, what about tooth and things like this are different but let's say I'm talking about tools. Let's say you know what i'm gonna i'm a dentist and I'm going to use the tool that I use made of pure silver.

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You know what I'm going to have a gold phone.

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What if I want to have a cover for a book made of pure gold some Messiah have the cover of the must have made of pure gold.

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That's very common especially in the Ottomans time Emperor all this area you go up and up north all the way to China you'll find this is a common practice in old Masada

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gold sinks. A toilet seat made of gold.

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A gold car.

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Gold pure gold car.

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Huh? glass is made of gold.

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All these issues? We'll talk about it next week and Shawn latonya.

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So because the last time

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that's a golden answer.

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It's time but I would I wasn't planning to do that. But hamdulillah shala Next, next week.

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We spend up my time a story for Miss Anima today, but that's good. Anyway

Bulugh Al Maram Series presented by Sh Waleed Basyouni at the Clear Lake Islamic Center

This lecture was presented on Mar 22, 2017.

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