The #1 Reason They Leave Imam Wesley Lebron & Imam

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We were raised in this house. We lived in this house all our lives. I'm your son, right? Someone comes here today they knock on the door and they say, You know what, this is my house. I'm gonna take it. You have to go out but because now I step up to defend our rights of having this home. They killed me and murdered me. How would you feel? What would you think?

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Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu salam ala Welcome back to Imam talk we've got the Amana no needs no introduction mashallah legend in the in the New York City and surrounding areas and somebody that I look up to? Quite a bit, Mr. Wesley, I will Samia LeBron. Welcome back to the program to the monocle, if you wish, always great to be together. We're here at the NJ Dawa conference in North Jersey. And so that's an excuse for all the Imams and students knowledge just broke it up.

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And we might give a talk here and there. But we know that the real pleasure for us is to be with the people of Hyatt and, and, you know, swap notes and stuff like that. So we had a talk earlier today it was it was a really cool idea. It was something that you've done at mass for a while, if I'm not mistaken, which is sort of like a Dawa launcher and outreach launch, where it's primarily geared towards non Muslims and you're introducing them to Islam, or at least you're, you know, having a conversation about interfaith, and this year was special, because you know, it's in light of everything that's been going on in Palestine, Christmas celebrations have been canceled in

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Bethlehem, and canceled all over the Holy Land. Some people actually even cancel on them here. And one of the things that we've seen is

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people can convert to Islam or get closer to Islam and develop interest in Islam, because of everything that has happened since October 7, which is always sort of how it happens. He you hit, unfortunately, of what you hit us, and we keep on getting coming back stronger. So tell us on the ground, what have you seen? Have you noticed the difference in the last two and a half months? What are people saying why are they interested in the slam now what's sort of drawing them in are attracting them? So you know, I can personally tell you just personally from my family, right to start there.

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I have my family members who you know, for the most part martial law, I've been Muslim 25 years, and we've been discussing Islam back and forth. Right, but usually anything related to overseas is kind of like they're oblivious, right. I'm like no idea what's going on what's happening. And I had my little brother, like around maybe October 10. He sends me a message. And he's like, Oh, my God, like, how could these people do that? They went into a party where people were trying to have fun, and they just slaughtered individuals and killed babies and severed heads and all of these different things. Right? The whole Fox premise. Right?

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So I had the brief,

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right before I answer, and then had to just really educate him. Right, as he began to send them some videos of, you know, what goes on in Palestine, you know, the other side, not only with the Muslims, about the Christians, not only with the Christians, but with the Jews and how they're treated. And immediately, like maybe like six, seven videos in he was like, Why is this not being shown what's going on? Like, we need to see this, right. And I say, Well, unfortunately, that's why immediates like one sided, you know, so unfortunately, that's our job, our task to make sure that you guys are educated. The same way my dad, I went to visit my dad and my dad was like, you know, oh, my god, I

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can't believe what's going on. And what I'm seeing. I said, Dad, let me give you an example. I said, we were raised in this house. We lived in this house all our lives. I'm your son, right? Someone comes here today, they knock on the door, and they say, You know what, this is my house. I'm gonna take it, you have to go out. I am a father standing. And we are cross added.

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Talking about?

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And as in not only that, but because now I step up to defend our rights of having this home. They kill me and murder me. I said, How would you feel? What would you think? He says, I'm taking heads. You're not going to come and kill my family and get away with it for no reason and take my is no way. I said that. That's what's happening overseas. He's like, I got it. Right. So what we've seen is that because of the atrocities, unfortunately, and the genocide and the flapping of power and strength, right of I can do whatever I want, when I want and how I want that has allowed the world to open their eyes to see this serious injustice happening. So around us, you know, we've been

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getting a lot of people contacting us and saying no, what can we do? How can we help? How can we stand side by side with you guys? How can we go out and rally alongside with you guys? What needs to be done? Right? We can't stay silent. Right? And I think that that has allowed mashallah world to kind of echo alongside us what we've been trying to echo for a long time with the

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injustice is no oppressions. And people naturally know how just being becoming too curious. Right? 911 was like that first instance of, you know, yeah, I was gonna say that's exactly like 911 was a lot of people I know, it was my introduction to how deep the military intervention in the Middle East was from the United States. And now you see, then, like, there was the invasion in Afghanistan and Iraq. And after that, you start reading about the history back to Iran in the 50s. And then all, you know, the Iran Iraq War, and all the different thing and you realize how deep it is. And people of conscience will be like, Hey, this isn't right, you know, and now that's like, actually, there's

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something that's in front of us that we get that we can do, maybe if we can stop this, unfortunately, we weren't able to stop anything, the last time around, but like it really, really brought people galvanized people, you know, absolutely. And after 911, it was more, I wouldn't know who these guys are, or who dares to fly into our country and blow up our buildings and kill our people. You know, I mean, I want to learn more so that I can battle and fight against these people. And that curiosity took them into the ground and they found justice, and they found mercy and they found guidance like, Oh, this is different. What is this? Right? And I think this time around, it's

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from a different lens, angle. Now it's them seeing the videos, our mother holding her child, a grandfather holding his granddaughter in his hands, saying hospital alone in my lucky, you know, I mean, I rely on our police my trust totally, and God, you know, and saying, God, basically I surrender my child to you, and to see the patience and to see the calmness and to see the dedication in that moment still to God. It just baffles people, because it's in those moments where people become agnostic, they become atheists, they become atheist. It's just like, where they can't be a God How can God do this? They work type of God is this right? This there has to be an evil god that

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allows this type of stuff to happen. But these individuals continue to prove to the world that a missed the genocide, that they only fortify themselves even more in their faith. And as many on tick tock does, for instance, have been saying like that, like I have to go and read this Quran. I've been looking for that in my own life. And I don't have someone coming to murdering my children and bombs blowing up at my house right? I just been stressed out of my work and all these other things. And if they can find peace, in that type of situation, I need that in my life. And it's caused him to really go back and start reading the Quran just recently. I think the Quran trend now the Quran

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book reading trend on tick tock is like 3 million now. Right? So anybody that hashtag just cron book reading 3 million people that are that is interacting with the other day told us 12,000 People on Discord are actually interested in one room chat about Islam is asking questions about Islam consistently and constantly. So we see that there is a large inquiry coming in just because of them seeing people holding on to their faith. Well, that's a really good important brings us to an important point, which is like okay, now they're coming to us. What do we have for?

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they're coming to us, what do we have for them? And this is one of my biggest pet peeves, unfortunately, with the Muslim community, because the reality unfortunately, I must say it,

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we have everything but we have nothing.

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We have everything. Why? Because we have the Quran.

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We've been given the gift by Allah subhanaw taala, we have the reseller, we have the message of the Messenger of Allah salAllahu Salam, we have the guidance placed in our hands, that we so beautifully use day in and day out in our lives. But for some reason, we don't know how to give that to someone else. Right? So this is where we have nothing. And when we have nothing, I mean, that these individuals now they come in and they're seeking places, where do I go? How do I get there? And for the most part, unfortunately, we've been tokenizing people for way too long. Right? How many now this person comes in, it's like, oh my god, you know, we're gonna put them in the front of the

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Masjid. You know, look at Quran. Michelle. They were reading Islam victorious. Right, right, right.

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Right, pat yourself on the back. hamdulillah we've done such a great job. But the reality is, you didn't guide that person. Yeah, right. That person came all by themselves to your doorstep. And then you had nothing to offer them thereafter. Basically, you put them up it tokenize them, use them, we look good, mashallah, in front of our own communities, we may look good outside of our communities. But then when you kind of follow up and say, Okay, well, what did you do with this person? What type of educational process what type of nurturing? How did you take care of them? How did you assure that now, when they go back to their Muslim families, the difficulties they're going to face there,

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that they have a source that they can kind of come back to to deal with those issues constantly and consistently, right? Just recently, I have a girl she took, she accepted Islam, and she sends me a message. She's been hiding her Islam, right the whole entire time because she lived on campus on campus. She's

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Practicing this, masha Allah, she's in the MSc in the whole nine yards. And she happened to be in town. And she wasn't supposed to let her mother know she was in town. She was dressed in her Islamic garb her mother called, like, I see that you're here. She must check their phone app or whatever. Abby, how dare you not come by the house to visit me. So she can't take everything off tool in the car. Her mother became upset, took her car away from her took her phone away from her. A week later, her mother still has the car. She goes into the car. And she's like, Islamic garb? What is this? And then she sends me this long message from her mother upset. No very nice words being used. You've

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been lying to me. You've been this. You've been that. So where does this girl go? Now? What does she do? She says, you know, ma'am. She says she's not going to pay my tuition. No more for school. She says she's not giving me the car back that I've been trust me and going back and forth to school with. She says housing, she's going to cut off the housing. You know, mean? I don't care come back home, phone cut off. What Muslim community is ready for that? Right? None, in my opinion, right. We have a long way to go still. And it's not that we don't have the money. We've got the money. Oh, we have we have the money. We can buy 40 million out of buildings. We have the money. Yeah. Right. Our

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communities are some of the most wealthy communities that are here in the US, right? We have some of the most wealthiest people, mashallah to arcotel. I've seen hundreds of 1000s raised in one room in 45 minutes. Right. But where are our priorities? That's the issue, you know, or do we really are we really holding on to this, the seller of the property is someone whose mission will hearts minds and souls it was to give to these individuals insha Allah Tala guidance, and then it was to be there to guide them afterwards, throughout the steps for everything they were going to need and not abandon them in those moments that were most delicate in their lives. You know, and I think this is kind of

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at the crossroads where we're at now, some machines are beginning to wake up, right, others are still behind. Some, unfortunately, see it as a income and a revenue. You know, we can tokenize the Muslim and bring them and look at mashallah the tech beers and Allahu Akbar, Al Hamdulillah, who's going to raise money so that we can do this XYZ

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10 15,000 come to the door like this. But what happens with those resources? Are those resources being used and reallocated back into that or not? These are kind of where we're stuck at and unfortunately, the Muslim community, okay, so let's imagine a scenario. You've got $10 million

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and you got 100 employees.

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What are you doing to fix this issue? $10 million and 100 employees Mashallah. I'm probably gonna make over the first

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$10 million 100 employees Allahu Akbar, you know, first, you know, because I'm Latino. I'm hitting the Caribbean Latin tour heart, right? Mashallah. We're going to sit down we're going to develop a plan inshallah Tala of five year strategic plan.

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What is going to be our target goal, you know, in terms of here in America, how are we going to reach that in Latin America, Central America.

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This some brothers, you know, that we can maybe pull out of the field working Nichelle Atala just to train them, educate them in the field of Dawa, right and how to deal with Mashallah. The issue of Dawa and aftercare you know, bring on some scholars, moms like yourself, masha Allah was still you from Yaqeen

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were you into our Michelle Allah realm to be mashallah one of the facilitators and educators mashallah so that we can build this team that can be a dream team, mashallah, that is going to do this work of Dawa, and then aftercare, right? And really just set up a solid plan, man, where we can kind of, you know, again, I think we're so stuck in the box that Tao has to be I set up a table on a street corner, give out some pamphlets. And that's all it is. So let's get into detail. So So we got two things, we got two boxes, data and aftercare. What should that will look like, again, you got unlimited resources, you've got unlimited manpower, and then what should aftercare look like

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creating events is important, right? For instance, I just, I just finished up an event right now, Jesus and Mary, according to the Quran and Bible, for Washington to Muslims in Washington, DC, they have about 80 people at the gathering goes online and zoom.

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We didn't completely in Spanish, right? Half the crowd, most of the crowds only spoke Spanish. And then we had a few that didn't speak Spanish at all. All right, these types of events, these types of open houses are important. I can tell you in the Spanish community, the majority think we don't believe in Jesus and we don't believe in Mary. Right. So it's a fallacy that we have to clear up. How do we clear it up, except that we have to create programs and invite them to these programs so that they can come? Nothing better than dinner. People love to eat Alhamdulillah and they're willing to listen to you, Al Hamdulillah. And if you have these things often enough Alhamdulillah these

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brothers and sisters who have been Muslim already and they have accepted Islam, right. They're going to be bringing their families not only in Spanish, but also the American converts. Yep,

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You know, I mean, you bring them to an event where they get to know a little bit about Islam they get to meet other people that your children are engaging with. They get to meet the community they get to see who the Muslims are they get to see that we're not the scary people that mashallah people believe us to be but that meant we're humbled people just like them. We have morals like them hamdulillah and all these other things. And then Abdullah, you know, that's that's one so I guess, you know, creating programs in sha Allah Tala that can be revolved around those things. Definitely getting into the universities, right. It's, it's huge. I know yourself, Mashallah. You've done a lot

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of stuff in terms of university work. You know,

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when I was living in Chicago, in the little city of Rockford, we had a program where we were connected to the director of of like, the department where they study religion. And every year, twice a year, they will bring us 300 students each time

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to the masjid, to talk about a specific subject that maybe they were talking about in religion class. And then alongside that, we made it incumbent though back then, you know, you may have been leaving the jacket, he was the Imam of the Masjid. He told them, he says, part of the process is not only do I want them to come here for that day, but I need them to come here on a Friday Sermon as well. Nice. Listen to the Friday sermon. I want them to be able to write a paper regarding my talk on their Friday sermon. Right? And then I'm going to give them my feedback. Very nice. And then that allowed them to constantly have engaged engaged 600 billion Muslims a year. Right? Beautiful target.

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And from that, you know, people have taken shahada from that beautiful conversations can take place from that ignorance was removed, right? So that's a model inshallah Tala as well, then you have the you know, the model where you can set up you know, the street now that you have that model, you have the model, there's a lot of Muslim businesses, right, that we serve in non Muslim areas, right, for instance, in terms of the Latino now anyway, if you go to Union City here in Jersey, you know, we have a masjid mashallah, in the prominently 99.9% has Hispanic community and there's a lot of Arabs who own businesses there. Mashallah. So what can we do to display down material display Krantz?

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There's a brother mashallah he has a store called Jingle Bells. He sells stereo equipment and stuff like that. He plays the Quran in Spanish

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in front of the store all the time.

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So as the people walking by and then normally they're hola and we said he called yourself embassy where it was that

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they go to buy something. They don't leave his store, except illegal to Tao pathway in Spanish inside is out of their back. Right. Businessman taking it to the next level. Yeah. Right. People come back and then he actually hired a dowel guy to be in the store. That's amazing. Right so that when the remote religious will come by, you know, oh, well, yeah, I wanted to beat I want to talk. A little table set up in the corner. Yeah, Jose is there. He's gonna sit down. He's gonna talk with you a shot I'll tell the Vistula right. Hello, Alhamdulillah. Right, we really got to just start thinking outside of the box when it comes to that. And then as mashallah, we're out there giving

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down when people are accepting Islam and sha Allah Tala, we got to be able to drive the people to a particular place, where in sha Allah Tala, they're going to find resources, and they're going to find that assistance, for aftercare. One of the things that we've done at Mass in New York, we tried to mash up, we set up a link tree. The link tree is what we give to everybody. This is our main resource. Share that with the new Muslim in the luxury, there's a section called let's connect, let's connect, you're going to fill out a form or the Ask was your name, email address, and phone number, and state where you live at. And then maybe a few different questions. I'm looking to take

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Shahada. I want to be a Muslim. I'm already Muslim, and I want to assist and help. I need more information about Islam. I want to learn more connect me to you what type of stuff like this humbler was a fella deaf form. We intake that that form intakes into our email system within 72 hours. This is what we would hope humbler. If I had your money machine.

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within 24 hours, Allah will have that admin team. Getting back to those individuals as Scott Aiken below. John, how are you? I'm from Madison, New York. We were three Connect, you know, we got the inquiry. The email came in interested about Islam. You know, let me tell you about a little bit about us what we have to offer, how can we help you you know, and really have that dialogue? You have that team? That mashallah are making those phone calls and connecting with those people real lifetime? Yeah, right. It makes all the difference in the world. When you hear that voice and you connect with that voice and others and that person is martial law, not snot just business and you

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just following right these? Ask these questions at this point? No, we must show like humanize it. No, Michel, let me tell you a little bit about myself who I am. Maybe I'll tell you a little bit about my journey based on our conversation and stuff like that. They open up they feel comfortable and humbler and then we tell them welcome

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So our family yeah, that's right. Welcome to our family that's followed up with another email. And the second email that's followed up, we do two things. One thing is that we send them a longer form. Why? Because now, in order to serve, you'll have to know what are your needs? Do you have a family? Are you married? Do you have children? Right? Do you have a job? Right? Are you immigrant? Are you a citizen, you know, legal status, you know, all of these things, we get to know who you are. So now I know how to better serve you. Where you from? Where's your locale? Do I have a masjid in that locale? That I have people who are working with us. And now I can say, Listen, Abdullah, Abdullah,

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these people, we're gonna assign them to you, you're going to take care of them. And then the second is that we basically send them all of our services, right? And in this very crucial stage when they first enter Islam. And as you know, you know, I tell people all the time, I missed that stage. When I first entered Islam, I think I read the most books ever. And I was just like eatin books. Subhan Allah, you know, number five alive. I don't know if you remember the little robot. But you know, you read through books, 1000 books a minute, right?

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There are people who they want to engage, they want to learn, right? And you have to take that momentum and use that momentum in shallow Tada. So one of two things have has to happen immediately. One they need a mentor. Yeah, right. And the mentor, oftentimes I tell people, volunteerism great, it's beautiful. Give me 100 volunteers, well, humbler, but I can tell you 100 volunteers 98 are gonna fall off and not do what they're supposed to do. Maybe two are going to do their job in sha Allah Tala. So we need mentors, so that the mentor can be within the next 60 to 90 days. Right, again, is walking alongside them doesn't mean they're together every day, follows up a chat How you

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doing, we haven't spoken in a couple of days, you know, we have a session, I'm going to I want to finish teaching you how to recite Surah 230, I want to finish going through with you, I want to finish going through the slot, which he was shot, I'll tell him make sure that you have those things down packed. Um, so that you can, you know, learn how to do those things on your own, and then kind of building them up from there. And then as we offer them all of our classes, because we have about seven, eight classes that happen a week, different subjects, different levels, we usually tell them look, attend once everything,

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so that you can kind of see what you like, yeah, this class is important for you, because it's a basic class. And this is important for you everything else, see what you like, and commit to one thing.

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Commit to that one thing in Charlottetown as you commit to that one thing, then you kind of expand from there and shallow taller. And then after that, within that 60 to 90 day period, you're making sure you're not losing these individuals, you still capturing them into your system Hamdulillah we, you know, we have again, everything goes into Google expell Excel sheet, Excel sheet, HMI. So we have all of that data, we have those names, you know, we need to invest part of that, mashallah $10 million, is investing in a system that Masha Allah functions perfectly and smoothly. We know who's been contacted, or needs to be contacted, how many times they've been contacted and shallow to

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Allah? What the What what, you know, at what stage you are with that individual insha Allah to Allah, right. And it just works on its own. Right? Because at times, if you've got a human going through, yeah, of course, 100 contacts, maybe possible. But as you know, one of the things we're finding, you know, with us with massive new recruiters reconnect, I get 10 to 15 inquiries a week. Right? So now with what's going on in the world, if if out, and that's just New York, New Jersey. Now, if we were to amplify that and turn that into a national movement, and I get 1000 a week, how do I handle that? It's not possible, right scale. So really scaling and trying to develop a final

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systems in Charlotte teller that we could kind of put into place that help us to marshal and maneuver all of these things a bit smoothly, shallow. That seems like a really scalable model. Like it seems like it's a very, very, like, sustainable system. Do you have any data on? Like, like, like numbers on how many people stick with it? Or how many people fall off? Do you guys look at that sort of thing. We haven't been able to go fortunately, if you had more bandwidth and money in support, then you'd be able to do that. And then the data gets better because now you're looking at okay, we have 40% of people stopped showing up to classes fall off entirely stop answering phone calls, why

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is what what were the reasons now we are looking at those reasons how do we make it more likely push our numbers up? So that you know this is is really important thing.

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So what are in your in your anecdotal experience, then what are the reasons that people fall off? What are the gaps in aftercare? In addition to just like the numbers and personnel stuff again, like imagine that you have unlimited resources, unlimited personnel, after care, what are the reasons that people fall off? And what could we do? Lack of connection? Lack of connection, in my opinion, is one of the biggest reasons why I talked to you

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Today, and then you forgot you forgot about me, unfortunately, right? And this is like, or maybe I didn't have time to talk to you again. So next month. And in that month period, that individual came across a whole lot of things. Right? I mean, he still has his old friends from the neighborhood, he's still at the, you know, dealing with his old family that may be pulling or swaying him somewhere, he or she may have boyfriend or girlfriend still, you know, I mean, there's a lot of things in the path of that person that you're not going to be able to remove and the least contact that you have with them, the more contact they have with that other world, unfortunately, and it

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just becomes more difficult for them. And so they kind of find themselves eventually because Allah opens the door for them in sha Allah to Allah. So I think, you know, that issue of that 60 to 90 day window, again, I think is key. Because I think within that 90 day window, at least three months, you get a person to kind of commit and do certain things, and they've achieved certain tasks is like, okay, Mashallah. I feel progress. Progress. I've done some things with Hamdulillah. I've memorized and never thought I'd be able to run an Arabic and I'm reading these verses in Arabic. You know, everybody doesn't have the fortitude to do that stuff on their own. And then there's just the same

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thing. Sometimes it's just difficult. I feel like this is overwhelming, overbearing, and this is one of my pet peeves, right. Unfortunately.

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We don't give enough importance as leaders, to individuals in need. We're all busy. We're like, Yeah, we're all busy phone. You can it just goes crazy. OneDrive, messages, messages, emails, I can't write.

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But one of the things that I tried, I try my best. I remember I met a little kid. I'm a young boy, his bug, Leo's each, Mashallah. at Ignite conference, he was like, Hey, man.

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I want your phone number.

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I said, Sure. Take it.

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He says you will give it to me. So yeah, when

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he says,

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What are you gonna call me back?

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You answered my message. I said, Yes. I'm gonna answer your message. Who liked we're gonna see, oh, Allah, He that boy. He texted me, like six months later.

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And I text them back. He said, You answered my message. Right? Subhanallah it felt good. The prophecies alone. What the Jewish boy he showed up. He didn't have to. He's the Prophet sallallahu Sallam for this little kid. He showed up at that time. Right Sikh prophets doesn't accept Islam. His father, he looks at his father obey Albert Castle, right? SubhanAllah. Right. And I feel that because leadership at times, we put things to the side, especially when they're crucial moments that we end up losing a lot of people. Yeah, that's right. For instance, a brother's father just passed away.

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Not Muslim.

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He stressed out. There's a lot of things on his plate that he has to deal with. Now he needs a fairly normal sleep. You know, he calls me he says, Listen, my family is open to you Imam

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being the pastor who gives the service that day. We're not going to bring the Christian pastor at all.

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Right? So now I'm like, I'm gay, right? I'm gay.

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I get sick.

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Come down with the flu.

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I start calling around a Yo, like, somebody has to uphold this task.

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And it's just like,

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people are just dying to be left or right. I'm like, you now see the importance, right? Subhanallah I call the leaders that I know listen to somebody got to show up. The leadership got to show up. Oh, man, this also came over this weekend. It's gonna be difficult for me even

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An hour and a half can make the difference not only in the life of this brother who just lost his father, but in life of his family in terms of down there allowing the Muslims to come and take leat.

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Subhanallah It's unheard of. Right usually is now we're going to do what we want. And yeah, you have no choice. But even with that, brother if we don't show up for that, brother, how do you think he feels Yeah.

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Right. So I called on my brothers when I needed them the most. Any you show up? They didn't give me importance? Why should I give it any importance? Right. So I think as leadership, I think that you know, as difficult as it can be upon us sometimes. And as hard as it can be upon us because of our time and our family and our constraints personally. That sometimes in some situations, we really got to go the extra mile and shallow talent just put everything aside and just run it.

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And I think that makes all the difference in the world sometimes. Yeah, no. 100% zpanel

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And we need to also get it to a point where you have other people that you can pass the baton because everyone's going to fall. That's what it's a million dollars coming. That's what $10 million coming because, you know, it's like, yeah, you're one man. And you're basher, so you're gonna get sick, you know, like, someday you're gonna get an argument with your wife, and then you just can't get out, or you got other things that happen to have is every single one of us. And if so much, it's like the whole table standing on one leg,

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not going to survive. So let's imagine another sort of tangent, like, adjacent question I want to ask you is that, let's say because, you know, if Kenan stood we're talking about convert resources and starting to have the, you know, considering having a larger sort of attention paid to this. Now, there's already organizations such as your organization that they've been doing amazing work. There's several organizations, there's already an ecosystem that exists. Okay, so the last question was like, Okay, if you personally had unlimited resources, unlimited personnel, what could you do? This question is like, if another organization wants to get into it, what are the gaps? How can they

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not reinvent the wheel? How can they not get in anybody's way? Right? What's the need that has to be filled that an incoming organization could serve?

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So the needs we won't be able to detail them all out today? I wish we could, right. But I think that's a larger conversation that we need to sit at the table together.

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And bring like minds, not only like minds, or people like yourself, myself, who have experienced years, decades of experience, dealing with non Muslims and dealing with reverts, and really kind of just sitting down and kind of brainstorming and really seeing what are all of the areas that needs to be covered in shallow Tada.

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The issue of tau one is one of the most important issues in order to do this work, right. Like you mentioned, the table got four legs, it has helped.

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If you take three of those legs away, the table is not going to stand and organization as organizations, we have to realize that we have to come together to work with one another to be able to do better and achieve achieve better. As long as we continue to feel like well, okay, I want to be the big man on the block. Well, I want to be the one to recognize like I started this right and it's mine. One of the things I hate even with maths, I tell them like don't put my face on stuff. Right? Like I really don't. It's not my project that helped me like I don't have to be the focus. I don't care about that stuff. Right the project the focus is the reverts the converts insha Allah

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Tala and if we can come together and realize that is bigger than us, personally, is bigger than our organizations. We have the TAs handed down to us, the white he of Allah subhanho wa Taala the reseller of the messenger of allah sallallahu Sallam the job that he has left behind right of inheritance, right Alhamdulillah that we've inherited it and now we got to get back out. We have to have that to I wouldn't write the Saudi or ILA mug for us in Morocco right? It can't be okay we're in this race but I'm going to step on Imam Tom on the way out to know humbly like Imam Tom I want to I want you to make it across the door with me and show that we're going to go across together and

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just like the army

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your soldier your your your partner falls. You don't leave them out in the field. That's right. Pick him up. Right by any means necessary and you get back together insha Allah Allah so I think we have to definitely come together in sha Allah Tala, we have to remove that fear of you know that that force competition that actually exists in sha Allah Tala to say okay, I'm not afraid to share my resources with you. My doors are open i Shala you want to come in and look at everything that we've done to mass New York Weaver's reconnect. Listen, here it goes. Here it is. Why because I know I'm missing stuff. Right? Right, right, right. I know that Mashallah. It's not perfect. I know it has

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holes and gaps and there's things that mashallah I may not specialize in that mashallah we can do better at insha Allah Tala and if we come together and we put all of those mines at the table together, now we begin to plug all the holes we begin to fill all the gaps in shot and then we create a product that is beautiful, that inshallah Tada we can all say, Masha, Allah, we all get the reward for mashallah, pushing you forward. You know, I'll give you I'll give you a perfect example, man. I used to sell oil. Before Michelle, I became really mad. I was in the oil hustling business. So me and my partner, we said, we want to get into the wholesale.

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We said What's New York wholesale shop. I said, Listen, I don't want to buy wholesale. I want to sell wholesale right? That's the business I want to be. I'm in New Jersey.

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What can I do to buy from you?

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The same price that you're buying out or even marked up a little bit, no problem, but that allows me to resell at the same market.

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value that you're selling it and a whole nother state

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we can't do that

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for proprietary information way yeah. So okay, I went to Baltimore four hours away now mashallah I go into the Masha Allah the oil shops at LAX now Nico is not too good to listen, this is what I'm trying to do. And then I will sell it to you. Perfect. Let's go. How much how are you? userland to me almost double what you pay for it? No. I said listen, there's a man, a Muslim brother.

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He makes this oils from scratch. He's a chemist. This is the name of his shop. Where's he located? I'm trying to find him. They were like, Oh that guy. He's not a good Muslim. That guy he cheats to people that guy he doesn't want to work with anybody. Subhanallah I'm like, let me meet the guy says about Allah. Humbly called the low Masha Allah Allah took us to a store and hamdulillah he's in the part of Baltimore with his law about two miles of abandoned buildings man and number drugs. Right? This is the Be more careful area shall

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meet the brother. He makes everything from scratch. Mashallah. We tell him listen. What's the price, he says is comprised of everything

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you take if you resell it, just call me Tim. Let me know how much you know what you want to do again?

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Like Subhan Allah, he says, You're not going to affect my business. Right? Way over there. I'm still I'm still doing what I do. You can't close me down. Humbly. Same thing when it comes to this work of Dawa. The work that we do in our masajid and shuttle Tala. Why do we feel that because someone else comes in there, all of a sudden they're going to take the limelight and we're going to fade away into thin air.

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It's not the case. Honey, Allah, Allah Allah subhanaw taala has written for you while you were in the womb of your mother, masha Allah to Allah, Allah, would you were going to get during your entire life spent? That's not going to change because I was male or female. Tom shows up. That's why hamdulillah but you know what, maybe we can enhance it. And Abdullah, maybe it turns into something better maybe Allah has written something better for you, that you are preventing yourself from insha Allah Tala. So I think that really we have to stop being so closed minded in sha Allah Tala, come see, let's sit at the table, you know, and if you do have mula, you can present something that's

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better than mine. That's adaptiveness let's make it happen to Charlottetown you know, I'm also not a person that loves to recreate the wheel we love people want to start from scratch every time. No, we have something that's running. Let's share it with each other jobs Allah at the end of the day, you do it over there. My rewards for us? It's right at Hamdulillah we share what you have the reward is for you Alchemilla and this is how we continue to spread the message humbly Lord, continue to mashallah show the world Alhamdulillah Islam really is in the beauty of additional Allah Tala. And, again, the doors open. Whoever wants to give that $10 million

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in Manhattan, New Zell Cash App, whatever you need to have the law ready to move and shake.

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For your penis today, humbler? It would be an honor Wallahi to come and have an institute like European Institute come and say, you know, mastering New York, how can we help? What can we do? Where can we make it better for you in sha Allah Allah Tala Hamdulillah. That would be a no brainer for me, man. Excellent. Well, we got a lot to look forward to. And I look forward to being at the table and talking details and seeing what can happen because, you know, I think I haven't. I mean, I'm optimistic. I think that people are starting to wake up and realize that, like you said, it's more of a duty than anything else about duty. It's about access. And we've been talking to some

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people have been talking a lot this weekend about taking the good things from, you know, certain cultures or ways of doing things and leaving the bad things. So we might take management and business models and things like that, and that's fine. But we can't take a scarcity mindset going into this. It's not going to work, it's not going to fly. You know, it doesn't have to be my face or your face or my brand, your brand. It's just got to be about yourself and that will and making a lot happy. So inshallah we'll see what we can do. And we thank you for your time as always. It's always a pleasure, and we look forward to next time slowly