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The Pastor who accepted Islam now sits with Jesus (Esa) to tell his story #864

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Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, which was founded by Jerry Falwell

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told us that he has

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six guns under his bed waiting for Muslims to come over lujah no hallelujah.

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Okay, Islam is reality. God is reality. A loo I hear some Muslims saying Allahu Akbar, would you like me to come with my shotgun? And then took me a couple of times on different evangelistic trips he made by by playing to a person that hated completely Islam now wanted to learn how to become a Muslim pearl McIntyre. I used to fly with him a lot when I was a student at Shelton, college, right he pointed like this and it was very scary for us Never be afraid to trust an unknown future to unknown God.

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This is

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smilla rahmanir rahim al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen as salaam alaikum. Welcome to the de Shama your host, and we have some exciting guests in the D show studio, former pastor and also someone who looks like Jesus. That's right here on the show. We come back. Don't go anywhere. Go ahead and subscribe right now. Hit that notification bell. Help us get our numbers back up. Did you know that many years ago, the show and we started 2006. We used to broadcast for many years and halifa clothing channel currently known as digital minbar. So we tried to get our numbers back up because the channel at that time got closed. Then we started the official D show channel. We're trying to

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get our numbers back up to where they should be. And that's this number here, a 55. Combined Well, we currently have 442 we should be over 1,200,000 subscribers, help us to get our numbers back to where they should be with that small setback that we had many years ago. You guys can help us by subscribing right now and hitting that notification bell. Thank you very much. Enjoy the show Salaam LIC and don't forget to support us on our Patreon page. I said I'm on a call. How are you guys doing? I'm doula Samuel that are introducing right former pastor. That's correct. And you also studied at the Bible University called role, faithful Theological Seminary and then Liberty Baptist

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Theological Seminary, which was founded by Jerry Falwell. Yes. And this is Isa I said, How just call him Jesus, Jesus. because technically, Isa translated into English means Jesus right? That's correct. Now on on your way some very interesting happened on your way here. You guys. You got delayed because of a helicopter crash. A copter crash right by our hotel. We couldn't. It's you know, traffic was stacked up trying to get down the road. It's not every day you get to see helicopter crashes? Not at all I remember crashed right in the street next star hotel that the last one that came to mind that I remember it was a very, very famous basketball player. I know if you

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remember Kobe Bryant, Kobe Bryant, you remember that? Yes. La. So I did a program on it. I did something will actually reminder just reminding people because again, you would think that I mean, you know that Kobe Bryant probably had the best pilot gases in the tank. All the mechanicals are up to line but you just never know. Right? Like this person today. who crashed? You just never know. It's it's a reminder for all of us. It will be on the news tonight.

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Yeah, you guys sent me a picture. Hopefully we get that up people can actually see it.

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So yeah, that's and that's one of the things like just doing the program. That's one of the main messages connected with getting out there to the people the purpose of life. And one of those connecting point is to prepare for the afterlife, you know, and never know. You never know when it's time to go. It could be it can be a plane crash helicopter crash, it can be COVID it could be deducts actually be a car crash. Yeah. You just for heart attack. Anything. There's so many means to the means to the end. Yeah. So how it last time we went a little more in depth of your history. You were studying to let's just kind of for the people who didn't watch that. So they can kind of get

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familiar in a condensed version of your story, to actually going from studying in seminars, schools theological school, about a Christian pastor to hear in the D show with us. Okay, well, you know, I was born in Charleston, South Carolina. My dad was a Navy pilot. And he was involved in a plane crash. And he survived that plane crash by six months. The third month he was in the hospital. I was born. Then he died three months later, so I never knew him. But to my mother moved to North Georgia. In Georgia, she took me to First Baptist Church.

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And in the church was a librarian. And she would take me every Sunday after the service to the library, I was able to pick out a children's book, and I'd take it home with me. And she would read it to me. The book I got many times was called the God of Abraham. And my mother would say to me, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, you have to pay attention. You have to pray to the God of Abraham. Don't forget that. There's only one God. I was taught had by Christian mother. I think about 100 million Americans were taught that when they were children, either in Vacation Bible School, Sunday school, but they were taught to pray to the God of Abraham, there's only one God, but they don't know what

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is Islam. So we're trying to find that 100 million. There was your brother had a heard an interesting story. Can you share that story with Sisa? Yeah. So we met him loose Shropshire just three years ago. And so when we went into his, when we were going there, Samuel told us that he has six guns under his bed, waiting for Muslims to come over. And so we went there. And we spoke to him about different topics, but we didn't get to speak to him too much about Islam. It was indirect dour. And so it was time for prayer. And so he said, Yeah. Is it time for prayer? You? We said yes, we can pray later, when he said, No, you can go ahead right now I would like to take a video of it.

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So as we went inside to make wudu, we saw a poster, and it said, To Kill a Muslim and to take him directly to hell. You put what's called a bullet in piggeries. And so we were like, wow, we're very surprised. But then we made we lose, we started praying. And when we pray, we say Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar. And so is it like a war cry? No, that's what people think. Sadly, God is great. That's it's kind of like a hallelujah. No, it is. Yeah, it is. I mean, humbly law. God is great. God is wonderful. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

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Okay, so you were saying like, yeah, equivalent to Hallelujah, God is the greatest correct. And then what happened? And so his neighbor heard us and so he said, A loo. I hear some Muslims saying, Allahu Akbar, would you like me to come with my shotgun? And then Lou Shropshire said, Nazi I will let you know. So there is still a possibility. And then he told us to sleep over his house. I was like, maybe he didn't catch us the first time while praying. Now he wants to catch us while sleeping. And so we slept, we will cover the handler. We were about to leave. But he started us still asking us some questions. And then two questions. He asked us in the end, he said, How can I

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come to Islam? How can I be a Muslim? And so a person that hated completely Islam, now wanted to learn how to become a Muslim. And so we told him the six pillars of faith, we told him, she had actually doing a lot I bear witness that there is no god except Allah. And Prophet Mohammed is a messenger. And so he said, I believe in Allah, and I believe in the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. And he said, he will learn more in the future, when the second thing that affected me, he said, you know, it's not my fault that I don't know about Islam. It's your fault that you never told me about Islam, or any Muslim told me about Sam, he lived for more than 80 years. And nobody told him

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about slam but handler, we reached out to him before his death, two years before his death. And a couple of months ago, we went into his memorial and saw him there. Now there are Can you imagine how many people are out there just like that? Correct. They have the wrong perception about Islam, much of it through the media, and much of it sometimes to just fringe elements, not representing Islam correctly. And then you have also sometimes deliberate attempts to divide us as human beings by certain corrupt people, organizations, whoever the case, whereas the big industry now, making money fueling this division, I'm a phobia. phobia. Yes, this hate of you will always be fearful of the

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unknown. You'll be fearful of the unknown. But now you're This is your brother. He gets the proper education. He just spends a little bit of time asking questions. Look how powerful that was that at the end, then he saw you guys praying, coincidentally, like Jesus prayed with your face on the ground and saw Jesus prayed. And practicing the same way of life that Jesus practice is nothing different submitting your will, because Islam means to submit your will to the Creator, the heavens and earth are and that's what you guys were doing to the point that he's like, how can I What did he say? How can I be a Muslim and that sign he had a sigh so you imagine a kind of,

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you know, ideas that a person had and the hatred that he had aside, this is how you send them to hell put in the pigs. Grease, yeah. Wow, man. It's bad. But you know, it's not his fault. And I liked it's partially our so now he's pointing Yes. And then.

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Right. He pointed like this, and it was very scary for us. Because he said, you know, it's not my fault that I didn't know about Islam. It's your fault that you never told me about Islam, or any Muslim never told him about Sam. So for the two years that he lived, no one told him about that.

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And like him, there's hundreds of millions of people dying every year, not knowing anything about STEM. And so if we can reach out to them, many of them like brother Samuel would come into, what did you think after this encounter with your brother now and all this, you know, his reaction? Well, you know, you think of reality reality as

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Islam is reality. God is reality, humbly law. And the reality is, He loves us, He cares for us. He has mercy upon us.

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The more I learned about Islam, and the more I learned about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. The more I understood God's grace and mercy, out of mine arrow, heem, God, the Most Merciful, God who distributes mercy to all who request freely read 100 law, that's a great experience. And now to be able to share that mercy with others and to be able to share that salvation with others who are seeking help. So you went from one point in our last interview, you're talking to us about how you are with Jerry Farwell, senior, and you were in the plane with him, right? You guys don't travel in his plane? Oh, no. Yeah. He took me a couple of times on different evangelistic trips he made by by

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plane, and I got to see him in action. And it was a you know, there were many good things about Thomas Road Baptist Church, but he was like, the at that time. Was he the top evangelical? Yeah. Would you say TV evangelists TV evangelists no top? No. Who is there any others that you've had encounter with or that you were friends with for? Carl McIntyre? I used to fly with him a lot. When I was a student at Shelton. College. What was his name? Carl McIntyre. Is he still alive? No. He passed away about 20 years ago. Yeah. But he was a fundamentalist, Presbyterian preacher. A friend of Ian Paisley. from Northern Ireland. Ian Paisley was a member of the British Parliament. I used to

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wait on. I will I would work sometimes in the dining room and Shelton college, in Paisley would come and speak. He was a member of the British Parliament from Northern Ireland, and he was just fire and brimstone preacher.

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He preached hatred against Catholics.

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But eventually, before he died in Paisley totally changed. He was man who repented. He went to his enemies Shin Fane in Northern Ireland, and they made friends and then they were able to put the country back together again, works in vain and Paisley working together.

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We need more leaders who will take a stand is taking a stand is okay. Brother Eddie, taking a stand for righteousness is okay. But you don't take a stand against truth. And when you don't take a stand without against Islam without examining it. My goodness

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you know, the top for

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Islam preaching.

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People of Germany and and the Netherlands have all converted to Islam. In the most within the last few years. They've come to faith, and they are now preaching Islam around the world.

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And again, just for our audience, I mean, that concept of submitting your will to the creator to heavens and earth has always been there. Now. It's encapsulated with one word Islam to submit to acquire peace by submitting yourself entirely to the owner, peace, the creator to have an earth Jesus did it Moses did it. Your mother taught you about Abraham, the pure mano theist. There was no Christianity or Judaism back then. It was just pure towhee the pure monotheism passed away we were upon the way of Abraham, and all the prophets and messengers and Muhammad has been the last in front of us just sent to me. It just makes sense, you know, and it makes sense that now a person would

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want to know their Creator, what the purpose of life is, you're living it now. And so many people down south, that southern hospitality as we call it, there's so much I often see they have so many of the family values, the moral values, we have so much in common. We need people like yourself and others to connect, you know, like with your brother and I feel they will gravitate so much. And at the end of the day, even if they choose not to accept us not no part we make a friendship that if we have people who are better to have avatar lives, then I will gels Right, exactly. Because Allah is the one God Almighty is the one that guy.

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Yeah, so this is very important. Yes, this is what will go ahead. This is what we're trying to reach with Muslim voice for peace and reconciliation.

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International Organization trying to reach out with these people in Sharla, to bring them closer to a loss of data, because many of them will come to Islam, if they really just know the truth about Islam. So it's upon us to reach out to these people and talk to them about Islam, and they will inshallah most likely accept Islam or be like I will, at least with the Muslims, for people who don't know, I will tell him he wasn't Muslim, but he supported the Muslims he defended, right, correct. And this is at the end of the day, better than having Abuja hell, correct. I want your reaction to this. every church had a Bible like this, you know, every Christian family have a Bible

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like this and they put their, their family to, you know, weddings, baptisms, baptisms and burials, it was all put inside the Bible and he passed down generation generation. This particular Bible was published in in 1905. Now, the reason I brought it up is that I, I want to show a map that's in this Bible. Now, mind you, the Scofield Bible was not published until 1913. Right, and I have in my office in original 1913 Schofield, which was the introduction of the Zionist Masonic heresies about a future state of Israel and separating the church from Israel and all that rapture stuff. That's where it came from. He was a Masonic Zionist heresy that was introduced into the American churches

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in 1913. This is a 1905 Bible, pre Schofield prisco filled with no Schofield notes in it. So you open it up. And this is on page 13. Hurry. This is vague.

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I want to show you here is Here is a map of the Holy Land.

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And it says

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what? Oh, Palestine? Holy Land I misspelled Israel.

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Palestine Hmm. And all these Christians is to tell me, Rick there's never been a Palestine. Alright, so here's a still there it is. That's zoom in and show you here. Yeah.

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So yeah, the here these people like john hagy. There's never been a Palestine. Well look at this Bible map from 1905. And, in most Bibles, yes. From then had a map of Palestine, Palestine and Palestine is in the Bible itself, in the Old Testament. So we're showing you this just because your reaction is absolutely true. Absolutely. Right. All we have to do is look at coins and money and history. You see Palestine everywhere. How much do you know about this? You know, you've heard this Scofield Bible that he's talking about Yo, yo, yo, I was raised on Schofield, we were raised under Schofield right now. Yeah. Wow. So it seemed like what he's saying is, there was much of the

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propaganda push through here. The reason I'm bringing this up, is because how much do you know about this rapture? Because this is that form this connection? And now the Muslims are the enemy because of all this? No.

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Well, we were raised to believing in the Rapture. We were raised believing in not just pre pre millennial theology, that

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that Jesus would return before the millennium. But even more than that we were pre.

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When we talk about the rapture, there are several points of view. It's either pre tribulation, mid tribulation, or post tribulation. The tribulation period was before the rap was at the time before Jesus establishes 1000 years of peace on earth. And that was called

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the, you know, it was said that Christians were going to raise from the dead

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that we would join with Christ in the air. So we used to always have a greeting here. They were in the air here, they're in the air. No, that's the rapture greeting. Yeah. Okay.

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God

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given us more knowledge now. And I thank God for Islam. I thank God for the Quran. And I thank God for the Hadeeth that also give us information about the future. Yes, but it's certainly more accurate than what we're getting through Scofield Reference Bible, which was indeed a propaganda tool for the creation of the State of Israel. So what Rick here from true knows what they are talking about. He's on point. Yes, he is. Yeah. And it seems like he's actually if more people

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Paul knew about this. I believe there'll be less hatred against Muslims in Islam. That's true. So this is this is very important information here. Would you say? Very important? Yeah. So let me tell you. So is it also true from the from the rapture? This seems like it's called what we call the Buddha. You know, innovation, like this is something that was just innovated, and now many Christians they fell for this, like you said, the propaganda, whoever set it up, and now this created a big rift between Christians and Muslims will follow this methodology. The apostle Paul, in his writings, spoke quite a bit about the Rapture. He said that

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Christ would return, that there will be a trumpet sound, that the dead in Christ shall rise first, then they which are alive, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, and so shall they ever be with the Lord.

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That's from Thessalonians. But the Apostle Paul has been discredited in a lot of his writings, as

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as we've examined,

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but we have good news about Palestine we assembly when I've been there two years ago and hamdulillah. We were introduced to many leaders over there, we went to 10 different cities in hamdulillah. We spoke in different mosques. hamdulillah even handler gave us permission to give a talk in Al Aqsa mosque and him the lamb show. And so that was an opportunity. And we also distributed pamphlets on via derosa, which is 200 feet away from Aqsa mosque and hamdulillah. Mr. della Rossa is the street where many Christians believe that Christ carried his cross on the way to Calvary and Mashallah now hundreds of Jews hamdulillah are coming through Islam, through our handler

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in Palestine. And so this is great news handler. And this is why we're establishing an exhibition there in sha Allah to explain to people to these people more about Islam, because sadly, there's many different exhibitions and museums to our Christians, many few religious tourists, yes, there's 5 million religious tourists go there every year to Palestine. And so they don't know about Islam because there isn't many good exhibition or Museum, talking to them about time. So we're building the first one in sha Allah, we already bought the building now we're renovating the inside insha Allah, just to go back a little bit more on this rapture. Because

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if we can clear some of this up, you know, like this Christian, I believe, is he a pastor? Is he uh, I don't know. If this Christian now who's also getting he was talking about ag ag? Yes. No, it's Did you ever know him? But he's of angelical. Pastor in Texas. Is he still around? Yeah, he's still around preaching hard. But have you ever met him? I've never met him. Okay.

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I met a lot of them but haven't met him. Yeah, he's very famous. He's quite well known amongst evangelical Christians. How does he preached that

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hate towards Islam and Muslims? Or what's he well? Yes, he does. He does. He says, anyone who's against Israel,

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God is against them. That's his word. If that's the case, then anyone who wants to reclaim the homeland for the Palestinians, is against God. And that simply is not the case.

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So then is another part of that belief.

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Okay, is that when Jesus comes back who we believe is going to come back? We believe I'll return to Jesus. Yes, we can touch upon that. But they believe that now the the Jews will either convert or die. How does that work? Right? Well, they're certainly doing a lot of evangelistic work amongst the Jews. They believe that 144,000 according to the book of Revelation by the apostle john, that

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144,000 will convert during the time of the tribulation during the rule of the Antichrist, and they will all disappear

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so that the inference is that they're going to be killed. That's the that's what it's alluding to. Yes. Okay. So does that form that connection then that is that was forming this you know, this connection of some kind of Alliance hear that they're so connected because Okay, at the end result is there gonna be Christians? There'll be Christians

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144,000 that specific number so how do you reconcile from what he's saying to what this one which one is obviously more authentic? So now the Christian who's watching this, who's been you know, thinking, Okay, the Muslims are enemies. You know what I mean? dip, the bullets in the blood and all this crazy stuff. You know what I mean? Like

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How can they get to the truth so they can end up you know, getting past this? Like Which one? So he's saying one thing, this one, which one is the more authentic? I would say to the Christians, what would you say? read the Quran, there you go read the Quran.

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You have nothing to lose, read the Quran, and you'll read about meriam. You read about aisyah. You'll read in the Quran that as Jesus is the Christ and the Messiah of God, that Jesus did many miracles, including raising the dead back to life again, you'll read about Jesus. There are two miracles in the Quran that are mentioned that are not mentioned in the Bible that he did. You'll read about Jesus, who was born of the Virgin Mary, Jesus who ascended to God in heaven, and Jesus, who's soon coming again.

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I like I love the answer you gave because over here, it's a lot. It's confusion upon confusion, but you just ended a confusion, read the Quran, the last and final revelation sent to mankind, a man for free, tamper proof, you have everything in there you named the chapter named after Jesus's blood mother, it's in the Quran. I had one Christian, that we did a program. His name was Owen. And he was a staunch opponent of Islam. He was actually writing songs for the foremost Tommy Robbins, whatever his name is EDL you know, writing songs for him. You know, he was a script writer for louder for Crowder, he was also someone who was just saying some very disturbing things against Prophet

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Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Now he says, probably Muhammad peace be upon him. And one key thing that I remember he said, he said, when he started looking further into this, he said, Hold on, certain people over here, they installed Jesus, the Muslims over here, when they say Jesus say peace be upon him, they hold him to the highest respect and read blessings, blessings, and now they also praise his mother, while others say some of the most disturbing things. This doesn't make sense. Hold on, and he had an awakening. And he had so many of his followers at the same time when they after they saw me and him talk. They said, How can we be such fools that we were for 20 years?

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I was like having this impression about Islam. But after I saw you talking, so many of them, were making these comments after that. They said, Wow, they re evaluated everything. I said, Man, because people it's like they took that red pill. No, they call it the red pill. And they had an awakening. So now people are seeing you, former former pastor, you know, at the seminary, theological schools teaching preaching, smuggling Bibles into different countries. And now you're telling people read the Quran.

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What kind of impact that you have, when you stand in front of people who have this type of mindset that we just talked about, that we're trying to get people out of, you know, fundamentalist Christian Schools, Bob Jones Academy, Christian high school to boarding school. I went to Shelton college, fundamentalist Presbyterian, faith, Theological Seminary, fundamentalist Presbyterian, Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, fundamentalist Baptists, and then California Graduate School of Theology in Glendale, California. That's why I was ordained by the United Community Church, to serve as a pastor, not a pastor of a church, but a pastor in nonprofit leadership, working in human

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rights. So I'm very grateful to God for the direction he's given me in life. But I would have never, never in my life, he imagined that I would be sitting in Saudi Arabia today, near Mecca in Mecca quite often. He said, I go to Mecca and pray. We were doing O'Meara there, we're doing I've done.

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Hedge Hodge, I've done Hodge in the Bible is called Becca, right back to the valley of Becca in the Psalms. And

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I'm just so grateful. Who could have imagined when I was running to be mayor of Annapolis, because I'd gotten involved in politics, running for mayor of Annapolis. If If God if someone had told me then you're not going to be mayor, you're going to be Muslim sitting in Saudi Arabia. You're going to be living in a mosque, you're going to be having doing Hodge, you're going to

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be praying five times a day. And you're going to have a son named Jesus. I looked at him, he's my son. If I ever had a real son, I would want him to be exactly like, like Jesus here. God is so blessed to me, and so encouraged me in life.

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So the story behind that real quickly is your father. He actually you have what four other brothers five, five and five other brothers

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Your father and he signed over the paperwork. Now jokingly,

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he said, does he give you this as a sacrifice?

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No, I was having dinner with their home one night. I was very much interested in protecting environment. I called it creation care. And I met Dr. Mohamed el Hachi Hussain, who is the head of the Green Building Council for Saudi Arabia.

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He invited me to his home for dinner when I got there at five sons sitting at the table till we had his six sons studying for a PhD in Edinburgh, Scotland. I said, Mashallah, Dr. Muhammad? six sons, no daughters, six sons.

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He said, Yes. I said, I've only got one child. I have a beautiful daughter. Her name is Jana. I love her very much. But I've never had a son. I've always wanted a son. You've got six, give me one of yours. He said, take Jesus.

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And then this is when we started together him to the organization, Muslim voice for peace and reconciliation. Tell me

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This is amazing, because any person who is God fearing God loving conscious of God, the Creator, when you look into the Bible, and I just mentioned, okay, you mentioned Hodge Mecca. It's in there. Becca, the first house of worship built by Abraham to commemorate the worship of the one and only one God. Fast thing the way Muslims fast. It's in the Bible, right? praying the way we pray Jesus, then pray like this, right? He's humbled himself, put his forehead on the ground. This is the way we pray. circumcision. I mean, everything. You don't have to connect the dots too much to see like this is Islam. It's their Islam in the Bible. So many people like yourself, I've interviewed so many

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people who've done the same thing. They were looking for the truth. And they say the Bible actually led me to Islam. So what does somebody now watching a Christian pastor, preacher, scholar? What do you like to tell them? Okay, one thing is read the Quran, I usually tell people look earnestly within it within yourself, don't put a middleman between you and the Creator. Ask for guidance directly from the one who created you, the same God that Jesus worship call upon him alone. I mean, I mean,

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all I can say is my great love for Jesus, the Christ and the Messiah of God led me to Islam.

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Some people say heresy, heresy. There's no heresy in that.

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Every now and then I run into a Christian friend that I knew years earlier, and they'll say, Come back to Jesus come back to Jesus. This happened once in Palestine, at a Presbyterian Church. And I told the pastor, I said, Pastor George, I've never left Jesus. I love Jesus to Christ and the Messiah of God, the virgin born Jesus. I love him more today than I ever have before in my life. And the pastor, he began to shake his head and he went into his office for a while. And he came out, I was there when he came out of came back out of his office, he was crying.

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I said, What's wrong, Pastor? George, you're upset with me? He said, No, I saw your website. I said, You're upset? No. He said, I've never seen a Muslim who loves me. I've never seen a Muslim who loves Christians as much as you do. I said, Yes. While I said you haven't met a lot of Muslims then? Because we do love Christians, Christians are closest to Islam. And we want them to understand properly. What is Islam?

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Yeah, tell him about the church when you spoke in a church in Christmas? Oh, yeah. The Catholic Church in Annapolis, Maryland, St. Mary's Catholic church.

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They asked me to come and speak to a group of the leaders in the church.

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And at first I was thinking, I don't think I want to do that.

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Because, but then I thought, No, I will. I went, I sat in front of them. And I read from the Quran, about the virgin birth of Jesus.

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And the priests raises his hand, he says, Just a minute. Were you reading in the Bible? Which gospel? Are you reading? They thought you're reading when you're actually reading the Quran, reading Quran, because I was reading about is the angel coming to Mary and saying you're going to have a child and that Mary would be the most highly exalted woman in the world. He says, which gospel are you reading? So I'm not reading from the Gospel I'm reading from. I'm reading from the Quran. And he, the priests began to cry.

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He says, Where can he get a copy of this? night went out. He followed me out to my car afterwards, several of the church leaders and I was handing Qurans out of the back of my car. Somehow to London. Yeah. This is amazing. This is amazing. This is the power of the truth. Yes, truth. You know,

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It's It's very simple. It's not something convoluted nebulous, it's lucid, it's clear worship, like your mother was teaching, you know, the God of Abraham, the one and only one God, not three in one, one and three, just one God. That's it, you know, and be morally upright. It's a simple message straightforward. And the proof is there. It's clear, Jesus had his time, go ahead, say no, we speak with Christian and Jewish groups quite often.

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Sometimes as many as 150 people in one group.

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And they want to know about Islam, from my perspective, because they know that I recently

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recognized the fact that I was Muslim.

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So what I do is I project on the back wall behind me, the five, the six pillars of faith.

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And I asked them, How many of you here today, believe there's only one God? And all of them Christians and Jews raise their hand? How many of you who are here today believe in angels? All hands go up? How many of you believe in holy books, let's say like Torah, or Angel, or, or the gospels are the New Testament old test, everybody raises their hand? How many of you believe in prophets, these are men that God sent to Earth at specific times in history, to specific groups of people with his word, all hands go up, said while you're Christians and Jews, you believe those four things? What about?

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Do you believe there's going to be a time when we'll all stand before God? He's going to judge us for all the good and bad things we've done on this earth.

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All hands go up.

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And then I asked them, How many of you believe that if God says something's going to happen, it's going to happen? All hands go up. I'm the law. And then I tell them, these are the six pillars of faith in Islam. You can't be a Muslim, this unless you believe these six things, those articles of faith, those articles of faith, right. So they're surprised. They're surprised that they believe the same thing to Muslims believe they agree to all of it, they agree to all of it. Then we get into discussion of the five pillars of Islam. The statement of faith and other points I call I call that a call to action. It's a proof of action. You got to proven that lip service is cheap. I love you.

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But come on, do something about it. You got to go ahead. And and this is the five pillars put it into action. Yeah. So before we conclude, just one more thing. It was just tickling me. I was thinking about this. I remember the former president, and he had an advisor, this lady and she kept like talking into his tongues, right? Did you did you ever participate in that I saw this. I saw a video of this. You saw it. She's walking back and forth holding the Bible and speaking in tongues. I've been with people who've done that I use tell us a little bit about that. I used to attend a Christian Church at charismatic church, where people were speaking in tongues, and sometimes they

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get carried away. They even start barking like dogs. They see these Buddhist barking is from the Holy Spirit.

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I've been there when it happened.

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Or the pastor stands in front of the congregation, he says, I see the Holy Spirit, moving like a wave across the people. And as he points his finger across the crowd, they began to speak in tongues and bark and yell.

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This has nothing to do with God. It has to do with human emotion. And we need to come down to reality.

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There is some mention in the New Testament in the writings of the Apostle Paul, about speaking in tongues, but it doesn't command that we speak in tongues. This they say these tongues are one foreign languages that the disciples, you know, when they were gathered at Pentecost, they use they began speaking in foreign languages. And these foreign languages were recognized by people in Jerusalem. So they saw it as a miracle. But they weren't speaking in unknown tongues.

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And what about the I believe it's in the last part? Is it a book of high brother has given me a deadly poison and he wants me to drink it that it is true what is written in Mark 16 that if we drink something that is poisoned, we will not die the plane with snakes drinking the poison, or first john, I think it's five seven word talks about Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

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These verses are

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missing from the original transcripts from the oldest manuscripts of the Bible of the New Testament, they're not they're

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the one about handling snakes. All of these verses are not they're the one handling snakes. That's at the end of was that is that Matthew?

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I'm sorry, I can't remember which book it was in. But so what's the purpose of Have you seen also this some of the handling of the snakes? And then I heard it, boys in West Virginia, it's still going on the country churches, pastors walking around handling snakes, trying to prove that they're

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the gods protecting the Yeah, God doesn't expect us to do foolish things to demonstrate his protection. Do they know they must not know that this is not in any original manuscripts or anything? It's not there. It's not in the oldest manuscripts, not even the original, which we don't have. But the oldest extent manuscripts that we have, these verses are not there. And when you look at modern translations of the Greek, New Testament, these the omit these verses, did you know at that time that when you were practicing Christianity, I'm sure I had one.

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milligram Jenna, Dr. Gerald Dirks, he was a he was a deacon ordained Deacon, he finished from the Harvard University got his theology degree, and he was what they call a doctor of divinity, I believe. And he, when he went to seminary school, he saw, you know, textual criticism, he was seeing like what passages were connected to anything, you know, of some kind of manuscript or whatnot. And he said, When now he would watch people on the pulpit, preaching and teaching, like you mentioned, the versity connected to the Trinity for their three, their their record in heaven, the Father, the Son, and those, but these three are one that's not even there, right? That was in addition, he

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couldn't do it. He had integrity. He couldn't preach these verses, when he knows they're not there. Yeah. And then he ended up accepting Islam. Actually, he was truthful, he was honest with himself honest with God, Almighty Allah. So my question here is, did you know at that time, at what time and do most of these preachers and teachers know who have more of an academic education that there's not a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of any original original Bible original text that has been last changed, edited? Today? know that? Let me say that when I went to Bob Jones Academy?

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Well, at least when I began studying at Shelton college, people began to be more truthful, about textual criticism. We were told, even at faith Theological Seminary in Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, that there are verses in the Bible that are not in the oldest manuscripts.

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So you know, our eyes were open, we were taught textual criticism.

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But

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people began to deal with reality. Reality is that there are many parts of the New Testament that are not factual. When I see many, maybe that's

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a bit extreme. But there are quite a few places and the New Testament where we know absolutely, these verses were not in the original, or they're not in the oldest manuscripts. And today, in the new translations of the Bible, which are very popular amongst evangelicalism, if you look for those texts, they're not there. Most people have the common impression that Matthew wrote Matthew, Luke, john Rowe john Morrow, but that's not the case. These are anonymous books. People of course, call the gospel books, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john. Well, they call them Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, because we don't know who wrote these books. And there's no point calling them Sam, Fred, Jerry and

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Harry. I mean, they're, they're written by people we don't know they were written by. They are anonymous. You might not think so because they have the title of the gospel. According to Matthew, whoever put that title on it was an editor later, the followers of Jesus were Aramaic speaking peasants from Galilee, lower classmen, who were not educated. In fact, Peter and john in Acts chapter four, verse 13, are literally said to be illiterate. They couldn't read and write, of course, not. They were fishermen. They didn't go to school. The vast majority of people in the ancient world never learned to read, let alone write, and their native language was Aramaic. These

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books are written in Greek, by highly educated, rhetorically trained writers who are skilled in Greek. Did you know that at that time, no, you know, in academic circles, like a bar Aram Bible scholars Bard, they pointed out that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john, that these are anonymous books, they call them

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Matthew, Mark, Luke and john because we don't know who wrote these books in there's no point calling them Sam, Fred Jerry area, I attended a course and I haven't do that that was censured. Remember? He they were talking about the students. Wendy, that's one of them. They were training us in this network course. And they were telling us the same thing. Yeah, most people, you if you can imagine, I mean, and again, this is not to leave someone on a ship now. And now they don't have a destination. I love what you said she,

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you mentioned read the Quran, you do have now

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final testament. You have it their final testament, we have the Old Testament, New Testament and God's Final testament. Yeah. So God loves us. God wants to guide us he's the most merciful loving you. If you tune in in here, this makes sense. Look into some more just like your brother. It made sense the way you guys are praying and made sense what you were saying, the simple message of the one and only created the heavens and earth and and then he wanted to learn more. He wanted to accept him this day and his way of life. Tell us you guys went above and beyond now you have this organization. In the last few minutes that we have. Tell us about it. And this is organization

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trying to go ahead and deliver this message, the message of Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and the last in front of us, you correct

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them all correct. This is our job because the prophets peace be upon them are not here. So we are here to spread Islam and to convey to people what Islam is really about. And this is what Muslim voice for peace and reconciliation is. We started this organization handler six years ago, and are our addresses in Washington DC. We've been to more than 50 countries in hamdulillah. Around the world, and more than 3000 people have come to Islam and hamdulillah through this organization. And through our work in handler, we have 20 in 20 countries, we have national directors, branches or employees, their handler, working together for this same purpose. And this is what our vision is not

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lots to. It's a long vision insha Allah is to reach 1 billion people. And this is with the help of 100,000 professionally trained staff and volunteers in sha Allah all together, working this best job Allah in the Holy Quran in surah twist so that's chapter 31 verse 33, he says woman, suitable colon, men men, Allahu Allah slightly what color in any manner in which the mean and who is better in speech than the one who invites to Allah. So Allah Himself is saying that there is no better person than the one who invites to Allah and this is what we're trying to do, inviting people to the truth because many of them don't know the truth. And if they knew the truth, like brother Samuel and like

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others that Mashallah you've interviewed would come to Islam, if they really knew about the truth, and this is what we're trying to do. conveying the message and hamdulillah we've been traveling right now for two months, non stop at hamdulillah. Everyday, a couple of meetings a handler, and we have a few different cities. We're going to after this in a few different countries, if anyone would like to know more in sha Allah, they can go to MVP r.org Muslim voice for peace and reconciliation.org they can learn more details inshallah. Yeah, caring and sharing your training, sharing the truth. Education is key shake. Tell us, Samuel, what now would you say for the person

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tuning in? You got their attention. They've been fed a lot of lies a lot of misinformation, but they're listening. Right? And it seems like the fit that you know, the Nate disposition is, you know, when we talk about one and only one God, it's, it's, it's coming alive, right? What advice would you give them, they're up against the world, you know, their family. I spoke to Jason the other day, and he was in a military some similar, I can go on and on, but he just experienced the kindness of the Muslims. He read the Quran, he's worried about what his wives gonna say, you know, so many people out there like that, that what their neighbors gonna say, you know, my community, if

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I'm a pastor, I'm going to lose my congregation. What do you say to them?

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Never be afraid to trust an unknown future to unknown God. Okay, I learned that in school Wow. But never be afraid. Never be afraid to trust an unknown future to unknown God.

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The future is as great as the promises of Allah. And so we have a lot to look forward to. You know, we could throw up our hands and panic write down these days of pandemic

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but we we don't have we can trust in Allah. But also

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trust in Allah. There are a lot of things happening in the world today. Even ASAP prophesied in the New Testament. disciples asked him when what will be the signs of your return? He said

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are the signs of the days he said nation will rise against nation Kingdom

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against kingdom. But the end is not yet says men's hearts failing them for fear. Think about all these business owners right now in the world. their businesses are collapsed. Can't trust God, you're going to have a heart attack.

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men's hearts failing them for fear that it talks about diseases, unknown diseases appearing on the earth, and one will pop up after the other. God help us. We're living in difficult times. I pray every day that God will surround my wife and my daughter and my friends with his angels, guardian angels. It talks about this in the Quran, that God is our hope and our salvation in difficult days. Listen with that never be afraid to trust an unknown future with all knowing God. Yeah, this is beautiful. There you go Jason and like people out there who are nervous and scared of the future. But God Almighty knows best what's best for you. That's why he sent the Quran he sent the last

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fundamental problem home in peace and blessings be upon him as a guidance for all of mankind is a mercy for all the worlds so thank you very much again for being with us here on the D show. And thank you guys for tuning in. And you can pick up a free copy of the Quran we should have it on the the show website subscribe if you haven't already and continue to tune in we'll see you next time inshallah God willing, we started with peace we enjoyed peace, peace we with you as salaam alaikum.