Channel: The Deen Show
Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salam aleikum, greens of peace My next guest grew up in a Catholic family father was kind of agnostic ended up doing the new age thing consciousness meditation, Third Eye astrology crystals, kind of like this, but there's like put it under your pillow because it almost like helps you come into like a spiritual awakening. Okay, so that's really cool. It just gives up really good energy. This apparently has interaction with like your third eye or not you know about that some spiritual stuff. And then he met a Christian woman started going deeper into Christianity after he got baptized, but he started having more questions than answers. He wanted something clear,
precise. without contradiction. He wasn't getting it. He became an agnostic, but he was still doing some good things. He was pushing the nofap helping people with addictions or dealing with addictions became become a YouTube star. And let's see where he's at in life today with en lille, my special guests and I'm Nico Wa alaykum I saw
Al hamdu lillahi rabbil aalameen How you doing brother? Sunday love? How did you get your cold shower? And today? No, I haven't I haven't yet. But I'm still doing the cold showers every now and then periodically. Now that you say they have to hold back on them every single day. All right. Hamdulillah. So tell us let's start off people can see your story in detail. You have it out there. It's on your channel. I want to kind of touch upon it. But I want to go into this let's tell us what's this because this is kind of like a growing movement. Let's let's watch this again and you can give us some details when he talks about the third eye these crystals spirituality but there's
like put it under your pillow because it almost like helps you come into like a spiritual awakening. Okay, so that's really cool. It just gives up really good energy this apparently has interaction with like your third eye or not you know about that some spiritual stuff. What is that third eye? What's going on? It's like the jaw. What are they talking about? Yeah, it's, it's a lot. So the whole New Age stuff has its roots in Hinduism.
A lot of people don't realize that but it has its roots in Hinduism. And in Hinduism, you have these things known as the chakras, and the third eye is the second to find what chakra before the crown chakra, it's, it's pretty ridiculous. And I don't want to like throw dirt on them you know, like we've been told not to speak badly over another person's religion or something like that.
But when you start getting into this stuff, you started to see how kind of twisted it always how altered it all is.
And then you have this kind of what's this like? So getting into meditation, no problem. I mean, we try to we can contrast that with like, you know, Islam, we tried to meditate, you know, I mean, really getting into salah, you know, connecting with the one creator, right? Being grateful for all the blessings, etc. So when you talk about meditation, what kind of meditation are you talking about at that time that you're doing? What does it entail? And this consciousness we, I think consciousness you think about Taqwa consciousness. Yeah, that's what it should be. Yeah, that's what it should be. What did it translate for you then?
Then the whole consciousness aspect was more so like, they said, you open up your pineal gland and when you open up your pineal gland, it's like you opening yourself up to a different dimension keep this in mind a different dimension. Now, people do all these different techniques to go into this different dimension.
This dimension they call it the astral realm, I think it's you probably refer to it as like maybe the fifth dimension or something like that. But when you go into this place and when you experience is like you kind of open yourself up to things where
some might be good, but they are going to be bad as well. And after coming to the song, you kind of start to realize okay, these things that I was experiencing, then this, the state and all this stuff.
This is gents.
This is Jin's is no if ands or buts, but it's what's your what's your look what's ginge? When when you do these techniques to open up your third eye, you actually open yourself up to jinns Yeah, yeah. So people actually take this
when you do when you do what when you do this third eye stuff. Yeah. So they have um, they have like Transcendental Meditation, they have this one yoga called Shambhavi Mahamudra.
They have astral projection, certain practices, they have even drugs like DMT you can literally smoke the the
DMT in and of itself, and what these things do is it takes you somewhere else it makes you experience more than what you are experiencing here. And the things that you experience wherever you go listen like after coming to Islam I know that that's that's Jin's, there's no ifs, ands or buts, because you've experienced it, you know what it entails all. You have some, even some Muslims naively, like jumping into this kind of stuff, and experimenting, but this is clear. So you from your experience, from what you've, you're actually you're entering into this unseen realm of the evil spirit the jinns Yeah.
What about these crystals? We hear about these crystals.
See, I never really like understood the crystals too much. Because if you look at quartz crystal, they use that in watches. Yeah, and it's a it's I think it's called on PI piezo electric or PIO electric I might be butchering that term. But um, the crystal in and of itself is capable of conducing electricity. So they use it in the Watch therefore, to basically power the Watch now as far as like, okay, US theorizing that like okay, well this crystal can do that. And that music can do all these other things. And each crystal has its own little property. That's that's kind of questionable. And when I was getting into it, you know, I didn't really fully
accept the whole crystals like oh, this crystal makes you more clear cognitively and stuff like that. But um,
there was one crystal in particular that was I think it was called on
I gotta get back to you on the name but it was like a greenish type stone Crystal and I never understood why but anytime that I would keep this this stone like next to me, I will start feeling really out of it. Like, my mind would just be all foggy. And I just I couldn't think properly and I know I know this is true, because every time that I have that next to me, same experience every single time Jin's again,
perhaps you get an experiment to stuff this is all stuff. shaytaan is like having the tools that he's using, like mislead people and get you distracted over here, when you should be directing all your attention to the One who created you. Crazy mandala? Yeah. So let's go back to the other one. So there's a lot of drugs involved in opening up with the subconscious. We've seen like some people going to Mexico, some celebrities, and then they there's this special drug that they get from the lizard. That yoti belly. No, no, it's one of the lizard.
It's some animal it can be something else. It's it's an animal, I think it's called toad. Toad. That's the one that's the toad.
It's the same it's,
I think, I think they're referred to as
an A OSI.
So what are the same thing takes you into that different realm? What is it? Yeah, it's, you could call it like a psychedelic, psychedelic, you could call like a psychedelic, but the realm that you're entering is not hallucinogenic. Like, there's something more happening there because like the things that people experience is very similar.
You know, and then like you, you encounter different beings, different entities there and like these people that are doing these things, they don't know what it is. So they're doing it and then they're thinking, Oh, I'm encountering this being this entity, and this entity is helping me and all that stuff. But little do you know, that this right here is a gene, because there's been many reports where people go into these,
these states, right? And then they start to interact with these entities. And these entities they come off at first they come off nice, they come off now threatening like helping them and then like after, after they've been with this entity for X amount of time, like then they do switch up and the entity turns into just this like this evil thing that's completely out to ruin this person's experience at that time. So yeah, it's it's, uh,
it's crazy. You got a lot of experience and most people like who tasted all this stuff. And then you come to what we'll talk about later the way of life your pot now it's like, night and day. What about a Strat astrology now also?
I, I never did too far into that. But I have had experiences where I've talked to people who are quote, unquote, I guess you could say astrologers.
Master users, they don't even refer to themselves as that they
deteriorate code readers will use astrology and then they use all this stuff to be able to like, tell people's fortunes and all this stuff and and some of the things I saw were pretty scary how accurate they were. But again, coming to Islam, you start to understand like how it all works, how the gin? Wow, yeah Back Back to the gin right? You know the Hadith that talks about, you know about the jinn just paraphrasing it, and then they'll end up getting some information and there'll be one truth mixed with 99 lies, right? Kind of reminds me of when people bring up like Nostradamus, Nostradamus and then he'll like kind of have some vague statements that he made and people cling to
that, but then you forget about, like, all the hundreds of things that he gets that are just wrong, you know, blatantly wrong, and then something that possibly can fit. But you have like these people you're talking about who hook up with the unseen world of the jinn. Right? Yeah, so Islam has those answers, it tells you there's the unseen world and so a lot of these things you can pinpoint back to the jinn. Yeah. Oh, crazy. Oh, it's crazy. So the more you get into it, the more you get into Islam, like the more everything else makes sense.
You know, because it's like everything else only as like,
in my understanding from when I was studying different, you know, religions, different experiences and stuff like that is a it's they all have like little pieces of the puzzle, but and when you get into Islam, like there's, there's all the pieces, all the pieces of it. So again, like the more you get into Islam, the more you understand.
Then you went and you almost got married, right? You were engaged to a Christian woman you got you went real deep done. And you took a deep dive you got baptized, what happened from there? So I tried getting into the whole Christianity thing.
It it had his at his points, you know, like there was definitely that community type vibe, whenever you would go to the churches, but
don't ask any questions. After the video, ask any questions. I wouldn't ruin the whole community type vibe.
I tried to vibe with the notion that Jesus was God, but it just it never, it never set well. And like anytime I would even have that thought like when it crossed my mind. I'm just like,
it just doesn't make sense. doesn't connect like this, there's something wrong.
So and that just kind of led me like after nicely. It led me to
just kind of stray away from the whole Christianity concept. Because it's again, it doesn't make sense. And then you can't ask questions, because God forbid he you know, did you ever go back to her? Does she know that you ended up accepting Islam? Did you ever go talk to her again? And what was her reaction? For you? You guys lost touch? We lost? I think the last time we talked was on
there definitely probably like seven or eight months before I became Muslim. So I don't know. She knows maybe she does. Maybe
Allah. So you make an example. It's like IKEA. You know, when if you get something, an instruction manual, you want it to be clear and precise. And it seems like with all these other ways that were out there, you weren't getting what was clear and precise. You're getting all these things left on interpretation. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was all
I think with everything. With everything that I was getting into in there was never clear, like, Okay, this is it. This is what you do. This is how you do it. You have questions, go ahead, ask your questions. But all the answers are here for you. I never had that. And then again, like when I came on to Islam.
Before I even saw those answers, it all clicked for me. So spinalis like allow is just kind of like confirming like, Hey, before you even have any questions. Let me let you know that this is the truth. So that way, you can already be primed and ready for this.
I think you'd make a good candidate to be on the Joe Rogan podcast.
So yeah, I mean, I think you I think you got a lot. I got a lot in common. I think most of the things that some of the things he talks about you guys actually had him you guys, you in the brothers that you had. You were commenting on one of his programs, it seemed like he did kind of a turn where he was tuxes were mentioned the word Islam he started mentioning the word Islam he was talking about it in a positive light. Let's go into this next video.
Were you in the brothers to three Muslims, you're actually kind of, you know, talking about one of his programs. Islam originally was the scientists. I mean, they were the, if you look at the the earliest Islamic world, they were the ones that were the most advanced at one point in history. They were the ones that were pushing mathematics and science and reason logic. You know, it's just it comes in cycles, man, it comes in cycles of suppression and dominance. And, you know, the, the real concern is unstoppable dictatorships like China and Russia, and then the when, when there's no dissent and no discussion. I've got a lot of friends who are Arabs, I spent a lot of times Middle
East. I love them. They're awesome. There are
as deep I love them. They're awesome. It takes like, that was one of the misconceptions you had when he said Arab. You thought all Arabs, all Muslims are Arabs. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. So what were you guys discussing that it was fascinating to see Joel because we've done some programs before where he kind of like got out of his lane, and we respectfully kindly, academically we brought on some scholars, we addressed the issues that he was talking about, because he had he has some guests that were spewing this hate rhetoric, misinformation. And then we academically cleared it up and it just nice to see him actually talking about Islam and this were you guys in this video in a positive
What would you guys conclusion at the end? Where were you guys? Some of the things that you guys discussed in that video?
If I remember 100%, but I think he was. I think the thing that he was referring to was that
maybe maybe Islam has the answers. Or maybe I'm getting it wrong. That's deep. I think the title was, is Joe Rogan secretly a Muslim? Yeah, I'm not wrong. You're not wrong. He was, uh, he was saying that, like, maybe, maybe Islam has the answers. Maybe the Muslims have the answers here. That's like the whole gist of like, what we were trying to get at? What he was trying to get it? Yeah. Oh, no, because he takes to a kind of person that you would think he's expert. He does a lot of those sites. Psychedelics, right. Marijuana. He does a lot of the different drugs. He's exceeds open to experimenting, right? So why not experiment with Islam? you've experimented with everything
else? Yeah. What do you think that's the nice stuff? Right? Yeah. And then any, anyone my bad for cutting off anyone who does psychedelics, like, the next step for them is Islam. Because once you once you've had these experiences, like I myself, you know, suffer a lot that I had these experiences in my jivi. But I feel like when I came to this long, those experiences, were just kind of cemented. And Allah just kind of made me like, okay, look, those experiences you had
this is why that happened. This is why there was this this is why you you ran into this is why this system this you know what I'm saying? So it's like, for anyone who has done psychedelics like Islam is the next step. What would you tell Joe Rogan? What would you if you had a chance?
Would you say to Joe, our friend Joe, I don't think I'm the best person to speak to him. I think probably Muhammad, he might be the best person to speak to and why not? I mean, you're you have a lot in common. I mean, a lot of the things I'm sure that he's been through a lot of things you know, you're you're a person who strikes me as someone if something is good, you know, you're open you know, You're quick to make your discipline willpower you help people you know, with any of these addictions and whatnot, you got a lot of positive character traits 100 law. And, you know, we can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater. You know, Joe Rogan. Also he talks about some good
things also, and I think that you would, you would have a lot of things in common, it'd be a good conversation. So now if you had that conversation if it happened, he said, Hey, Joe, what's up? You know, what would you tell them? Hey, Joe.
First of all, I'd tell him, I always think about Islam. You know, see what his thoughts are, like, see where he's at in that that journey. And then from there, I'd invite him not to you know, 100% Accept this law from the RIP but I'd invite him to take on a dopamine detox kind of stripped everything away and then try out the Ramadan fasting for a few now we're talking there you go. Yeah. So in the Ramadan Faza you understand okay, we're gonna judge Joe Rogan. Now you're giving us his his sincere advice is one human to another dopamine detox. You are doing these what's the dopamine dopamine detox is very simple, you you strip everything away, and you make life as simple as
possible the way that the creator intended. So when you spend time in nature, spend time with the people that you love, and just spend less if zero time on electronics, yes or no entertainment.
No books even I'd say, in that little specific time, right? So if he's gonna do that, I'd say, try this out man like, three, four days,
strip everything away. And then also from sunrise to sunset, don't drink any water, don't eat any food and just spend time outside spend time meditation spend time self reflecting, he goes hunting. Yeah, so I'm sure he's had like, very close states to what I'm referring to. Maybe not in the dry fast it's the that's that's the big change who he is if he were to add the dopamine detox into a dry fasted state, which is the whole Ramadan fasting type deal. And I feel like from there, from there, like he will probably start to,
you know, connect the dots in sha Allah. And then you can talk to him about looked at experience your experience before. And then you talk about these waves. Look, these waves we know that look, Islam is based on proof evidence, right? For the person who wants scientific proof, you know, he wants to look at the Quran unchanged, tamper, free, tamper proof, if you wants to look at all of the things, the prophecies, you know, there's no way that this human being that Prophet Muhammad peace and was upon him could have came up with all these things. But then you have your personal experiences. Also, you know, that I'm sure someone you'd be like, Man, I want to feel that we know
that people unless they're really truly connected with their Creator, there's always that void, there's that void, you know, and then talk about this, this, these waves, you know, that we're going this feeling now, you know, once you start to come to you know, you said you read the Quran three times, was that right? Yeah, talk about that. And these waves, what do you what are you talking about these waves. So the waves have been the first time the waves have been the third day of reading the Quran. And each time I will read the Quran, I would kind of reflect, sit and reflect, and like a meditation afterwards. And the third day of reading the Quran wasn't Muslim at the time,
but everything just kind of clicked. And when everything clicked, is like, something Simon was like, yeah, yeah, I guess I guess Allah is the only guy, I guess, I guess the prophets are lovely was on is the final messenger. And like when all that clicked, when it clicked in my mind just kind of went blank for a second, like, all these waves just started going in and out of my body. Very difficult to explain, but that's the best explanation I have for it. And when that happened, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm definitely a Muslim. Hamdulillah.
So So you were you were dealing with like most people, you were dealing with, would you say classified like a deep depression? You know, what had you because you went through so many different phases in life.
If you go back Catholic family, Father agnostic, and then you have the going deep into Christianity before that all of these different, you know, the New Age movement, and then kind of back to what your father was, upon agnosticism into finally you kind of left Islam towards was it towards the end? Why was that you had these preconceived notions also that Islam was oppressive and whatnot? Why was it left at the end? Yeah. So
first off, I'd like to think that I don't have deep depression, you know, I guess everyone likes to think that they don't have any psychological issues, or any trauma or anything like that. But
I've been through a rough life, man. And I noticed that anytime that I will get like, by myself, and I will kind of strip everything away. And I didn't have any distractions. And none of this way, it would always lead to being in a depressive state. You know, I've said it multiple times. So I'm not ashamed to saying
I was abuse. I was abuse or on my childhood. My parents were divorced early on. And the list goes on and on and on. So it's like, I guess, yeah, I guess I do struggle with some deep depression. And
aside from that, why do I leave Islam to the end?
I think I love Islam towards the end.
Because the people that I have met who were Muslim,
they, their character showed so much, like so much, I guess hope you say, you know, because it when you see a Muslim who's like really on the line,
you know, this, you could feel this. You don't have to be Muslim in order to experience someone else's code. Right. And the people were had run into one Muslim who had that darkwa Who had the character that are clogged and the manner
and all that.
I was just like, Yo, like, I kind of like how Joe Rogan sanely maybe maybe Islam, is it but for some reason, you know, like, I don't know, I just didn't.
It was kind of like a resistance internal internally, I guess you could say.
Would that be the resistance to like, Okay, what he she's gonna say my parents what society? You think what you falling into that category? Because that happens a lot, doesn't it? Yeah, I'd say two categories can that category that you just said, because you know, there's negative stigma over here in the West, you got Islam being portrayed as terrorist religion. And
it's just nothing but bad connotation. Bad things that are associated with it here in the west at least.
And the other side is like,
people want to know the truth.
But people are afraid of knowing the truth. Because once you know the truth, like you can't go back. You know, like you, you're in a state of ignorance. Once you take the red pill, you you can't go back to sleep. You can't go back into the dream. You know what I'm saying? Like once you realize Islam is the truth. Good luck going back. So
Allah, you said, you said a word also, that we'll touch upon, hopefully, I won't forget red pill. You mentioned when you take the red pill. That's from the matrix, right? That we the matrix, and then they're offered the blue and the red. And then what does that signify? That red pill when he took the red pill was a Keanu Reeves. What does that signify when he took the red pill? way into the red? So in the movie, he was a waking up from the matrix and the matrix was this false programming this false reality. So it's like, what he was living and what everyone else was living, it was all fake. It was all like this program that was just being run on and run on. But when you took the red
pill, you step out of that program, and then you start to see like, what life really was. And that's, that's kind of like what happens when you get into Islam. Did you become a Pua? At one point?
That's the guys that go around. Right?
Is it Pete? Pua pickup artists? Yeah, pickup artists. Yeah.
I mean, that's before Islam everything is like a goal, right? It's just like, you know, if you're in that world of like, there's nothing to measure morality by why not like, well, where would we? Where would you be without sloth? Why should you not do such and such and such, right? It's like that that verse goes like, Do you not see the one who takes his uh, his desires as is his Lord? And that's exactly what it is. Subhan Allah as and this is what men I mean, it's in the Quran, Xena leanness who Boucher Hawa team in an ISA is like, the one thing that men desire the most is its, Allah is telling us is in the cross. So now if you don't have no perimeters, you don't have no guidelines, no
rules to live by. Then you become a pickup pickup artist. And if you have the ability is crazy. Hmm. Because that's a lot of times associated with with this red pill. Right? Yeah, we'll get into that later. Let's go back to this depression. Now, I want to make this clear, because it's not just because Okay, now, because in the beginning, you accept Islam. And it's kind of like, you know, the Hadith where the prophet saw some last fundaments your talks about like when someone enters Islam submission to the will of the Creator, not the creation is like, he's like a newborn baby, all his sins, just, you know, are wiped away. And you have that feeling like that. Did you experience that
feeling in the beginning? Like, you know what I'm talking about you just like on cloud nine, you're just you're feeling just amazing. Yeah, definitely. There's no such thing as a cloud app, but I'm just like, yeah, metaphorically. 100%. I've felt it and I'd say like, I still feel it. But I'd say now that I'm like, closing in on a few maybe a little bit more, actually, you know, we still haven't had a year maybe Muslim 100
But as I'm closing on this year, it's like
I'm kind of still seeing like, Okay, I still did what I did, you know, a lot forgive me for Allah for like a blanket over it. But I'm still like, I still did it. Nonetheless, like I still had that experience. And the sad part is is like a mind stretched by a new experience can never go back to his old dimensions. So as like, I've already done those things. There's no way that I can just eliminate that from my life from my mind. Still there so yeah, still feel like that cloud nine type feeling but then it's like I'm still running
Like, yeah, I still did that, you know? So it, I'd say, humbles me. And instead of me being on cloud nine, it's more like, Okay, I'm just, I'm just kind of like sober. So, yeah. So a couple points. One thing is, obviously, we're not proud of our past. And we don't want to go into any of the details, but it just kind of because people are chasing that lifestyle. So now you can say, Hold on, hold on, I went that way. You don't want to go that direction. I was there, I did all those things that you're doing now. And you're going to hit a dead end, I hit the dead end, why you're going to go hit a dead end or the bridges out, you're going to fall down the mountain, why are you going to do that
I've been there, you don't have to do it, you're going to experience it through my, my lens, my life. I mean, so that's the thing, that we try to get out, like people who've been there and done that look at their lives now and look how unhappy they were. And look where they're, they're at now. And the other point was about the depression. I don't want people to think like, you know, you find the purpose of life, obviously, now you have that contentment, that peace and tranquility. But you can't fall into all of us do, myself included. We all fall into those times of struggles and, and you can get depressed, right? But you have the tools to get you out of that you have a hiccup,
right? You have a law, it's like a beautiful example is like you're on the ocean. The not yet Muslim, non Muslim, the Muslim, they're going to both, let's say be on an ocean on the ocean. And then those waves are hitting the turbulence is hitting whatever one has Allah one does.
Right? Yeah. So at the end, now you have the tools, you get through it in sha Allah, and you're stronger. So have you seen that? Has you? How was that when you would hit certain times in your life and you didn't have these tools that you're learning about? You're getting more and more grounded in the deen? How is that helping you to navigate through life as opposed through before when it was the other the New Age stuff and all these other things that were at your disposal. So it's like you said, it's like you said was like now you have this guidebook, now you have these guidelines, now you know what to do. So it doesn't mean that you are exempt doesn't mean that you will never feel
depressed, or you'll never experience hardship. It's just now you know what to do when you experienced the hardship versus before. I wasn't Muslim when I didn't have the guidelines when I didn't have the guy, but I didn't know what I was doing. So anytime, I will be feeling like life is amazing. I will become very arrogant have become very boastful. And be like, ah, like, because of me like I'm the one doing this here. i And then allows like, Okay, say let's, you know, like you think this is, this is the thing, this is all you let's see nine strips it away. And then when you strip away like the suffering that I'll go through, because I didn't have any guidelines, I didn't know
what to do. So I'm over you trying to do the best that I can to get past it. So for for someone who's not on Dean that might look like then maybe partaking in drugs more, maybe drinking alcohol more, maybe spending way too much time with other people. Maybe they are playing video games, watching porn, or maybe they're doing something to kind of drown themselves out from that depression that they're experiencing. But
people realize at some point or another, the only way out is through. Like, if you want to get through depression, if you want to get out of depression, you have to go through it. Right? If you are angry, how do you stop being angry, you have to go through it, you have to let it run its course.
If you let's say you hurt yourself and you have to heal up like okay, how do you heal up, it doesn't happen like that. You have to go through it. So with all these things, like you're gonna have to go through it. So why not have something that's like, here, do this, do that. Live in this style thinking this way? This is going to allow you to get past what you're feeling you in the most easiest way possible. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And this is what you want. And you continue to do helping people deal with different addictions. And you had this video, you can explain what this no fat means you made this before Islam. Let's get into this. And you can kind of
give us a breakdown because this is a big addiction. People are dealing with pornography and all these other dishes, but changed my life. If you don't know what nofap is, it's basically this movement that was created
where people started playing with themselves and they stopped watching pornography. I know. Crazy, right? Like, why would anyone want to stop doing these things?
But I came across this a few years back. And it's because I realized that I had a problem I realized that hey, maybe what I'm doing isn't the best thing
no fap so people have never heard this no fap This is something new also to me. No Is it no fap no fat. Yeah. So
For the next generation, older generation, you know, many people are not keen to these new terms. Like, what what was his message that you were getting out there?
Yeah, so first of all, let me just say the show that I had on video, I think, was by far the most comfortable shirt that I had in my lifetime.
No fat to get on top of, you know, fat.
No fat is basically where you start masturbating. You start watching pornography. And for this generation, or at least, for the people who are outside of religion, that's, that's a big thing for them. You know, like, it's free. You can go on the computer, your phone, and you have access to unlimited things that will, quote unquote, fulfill your desires.
But that's not the best thing in this world and the whole nofap movement.
It's basically to eliminate these things so that your body can kind of go back to its normal state. You see, because if someone watches pornography, what ends up happening is that it's releasing an excessive amount of dopamine into your system. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter, kind of like
acetylcholine, serotonin, things along that I did there are more official, more official, I'm just not recalling them right now. But watch pornography is releasing this excessive amount of dopamine. And it's excessive, because you will never have this in nature. It's not natural for you to be able to be with, let's say 40 5060 different sexual partners within like, what, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, is not possible. It's not something that allow me for us. A lot didn't create our bodies this way. Right. So what ends up happening is that you have this excessive amount of dopamine, and then it basically desensitizes your body to work. You become less sensitive to real life. So let's say you
walk outside, and let's say there's a butterfly that flies across like, if you were sensitive, you will look at that butterfly and it would, there will be an impact because you will be present, you will experience that for the boat when you are desensitized. It's like that butterfly flies across and there's this lag time there's this period where it's like you didn't really experience it, you just you're kind of running like two to five seconds behind the timeframe that you should be, you know, so to keep you more simple
to desensitize. You're not going to notice a butterfly, if you were sensitized you go outside and you see that butterfly and you say soup
and that's that's no fat. That's all it's doing is just recent tising your body. And were you muslim at the time when you made this? Not always not Muslims? Okay, so you're actually pushing it pushing this positive message even before Islam? Yeah, so this is a movement of Not Yet Muslims, non Muslims who started this is non Muslims, for sure. And if you get like, deep down to the bone, no, fap is actually a business unfortunately, became. Yeah, but still, like it's still helping people. So yeah. So it is what it is in that sense. But
no, fap is meant to help people break free from destructive habits and addictions, but little do they know that when they break free from these things, they actually get closer to the Creator. They get more spiritual, everyone who's been on nofap tests of the same thing.
This is deep. So what do you think from your experience dealing and talking with this? I had a guest on Imam John, he makes the connection. He's lectured, helped a lot of the youth people who are saying supposedly coming out and saying look, you know, they're having doubts about Islam, they're having a faith Imaan crisis. He connects this crisis much of it a great majority of it to pornography addiction.
Because now you made the thing the statement now that you end up getting closer to your Creator when you start disconnecting here, now reverse that, right? You keep doing it, what's the opposite is gonna have you're gonna get more distant. Right so he so we did a program here and we actually
you have I think is one of the serial killers on there. He was they were talking about FBI and whatnot. They were talking about I forgot what the person's name on. It was one of them Yeah, it was a Bundy. And he talks about how you know this violent form of pornography. How this actually aided you know, them
You know what they're thinking to go ahead and commit a lot of these crime? What are your thoughts on that? Is if the truth is the truth? Because when you watch these things, it's, it's programming you subconsciously. I've talked to many people who they say that what they learned in pornography when they're having sex with the, with a woman, it's not the same. And I'm like, Well, of course, it's not the same. What did you expect? I, number one, pornography is fake, they are literally acting. And they're recording the people behind camera recording this. And then on top of that, like, everything is done excessively, to appeal to people, because what ends up happening is, people
when they start watching pornography, or they started taking drugs, they had this thing known as the Coolidge Effect mean that you need more of the setting in order to experience the same feeling you felt in the beginning. So if someone drinks alcohol,
they're going to need more alcohol, they develop a tolerance, right? It's a simple terminology tolerance. Someone smokes weed the first time, they will never be another time, like the first time. And every time that they smoke weed after that they're going to try to emulate and have that same experience as the first time but they will never experience that again. Right? So that's the Coolidge effect. Now, pornography is the same thing. watch pornography, the more someone watches pornography, the next year, the stuff they get into, until they're doing something that's completely against what they are like, they could be a straight, heterosexual male, and he could be so far gone
into pornography, that he's now watching homosexual pornography, but he's not he's not game, so. But he's watching this, because he's literally desensitized himself so much that now he needs that in order for him to get aroused and feel anything. So just think like, if that's happening with that, like think about the other stuff that's occurring.
And that's why it made sense to me what he was saying this Imam John, what he was saying, was that because of this, this is leading to a crisis of faith of the mind, of a lot of people who are in this addiction. So what do you like to tell people who are going through this addiction right now? They're they're tuning in? Where do you like to start? How do you like to help people? Because this is one of the things you do, right? You help people dealing with these different addictions? So having gone through a lot of these things, what would you tell the person like, where to start? How to
get how are we refer referring to someone who is religious? are we referring to someone who's secular?
Both? Both. Alright, so Well, it's gonna look different for each one. Because obviously, each one has different beliefs, and different desires and stuff like that.
But for the nonstick of the person always stood in line
was the best version of yourself look like? Like I'm talking about, like, when you watch a movie, and you see like, the that character that's like, the top character, were you just like, dang, like, that's, that's pretty dope. You know, like, he's masculine. he's strong, he's confident. He's a stoic, all this stuff, all the stuff that they you might attribute to this character. And I look at your stuff. I look at yourself as the main character in your own life in your own movie. Now, what would this character be doing? Would he be watching pornography all the time? Would he be masturbating all the time? The answer is probably not. And that's like that, that makes a big shift
in people who are secular, not for people who are religious.
it's really like, it's all about understanding like what they're doing, you know, like, number one, do you understand that Time's running out?
Number two, do you understand that we're not guaranteed. The next hour when I guaranteed the next minutes, nothing is guaranteed, the only thing is guaranteed is that we're going to die. And we're going to be gathered right in front of our create a day of judgment. That's guaranteed. Now, if you are religious, you understand these two things. And then you see what you're doing. Well, now it's a matter of like, kind of breaking it down. Okay, why am I going in this path? Why am I doing these things? And a big one could be oh, well, I don't have a spouse. I'm not married. You know, and I'll catch on to the talk on the ones where it then maybe what would they do? But um, nine times out of
10 the people who are doing this
They're not going to be made by so they're trying to fulfill their sexual urges without actually going on you and having sex with a woman without performing Zina outside of marriage, you know, but that I don't know which one's worse, man. I don't know which one's worse to watch pornography, or to actually go out there and perform cinema, both of them are terrible. And Allah has already said this. But it's like in reality, like when you look at, like, what's happening deep down on a,
I guess, the neurotransmitter level and all that stuff, like, even on the spiritual level, like which one is actually worse? Which one is worse here? And they think that watching pornography is worse one, like,
any better? Or better? Yeah. And some people just so Shakedown plays that game he tries to judge you try to you know, make justifications. And now you even have now it's, it's instead of the VHS tapes, VHS tapes, right, you have access all over. But now you actually you can dial up, people end up dialing up and you got someone live? Oh, yeah, the live shows and all that, right is getting is getting disgusting, and is getting to the point where they're having 3d, the virtual reality stuff, once it gets like deeper into that, like trust that people are really going to be a rough point. But getting back to what we were saying about like the guy, if the guy realizes that he's doing it,
because he's not married, well, then the next question is like, Okay, well, what was preventing him from being married, and then starting to do the work necessary in order to become married. So that way, you can get over the addiction, because the thing is with addictions is,
if we take the word addiction, now, it's actually just a pattern of behavior. Of course, each pattern of behavior will either lead you to reward or will lead you to punishment. But if you see it for the days, and you understand a pattern of behavior can only be changed if you replace it with something else. And a lot of times people replace it with something worse, you know, you don't want to, you don't want to change one poison for another poison. So in this sense, it's like, you want to change that pattern of behavior, with different patterns of behavior, which those patterns of behavior could be self improvement, you know, maybe developing yourself in your face, you know, in
your deen and developing yourself financially. So you can support a wife, because once you do those two, you're completing or first part of the self improvement. you're completing your 50% of your deen. And then once you have the financial aspect done, and you get married, now you've completed the other 50% of your team. See what I'm saying? So it's like, it's very simple. It's just a matter of like asking these questions and like going deep, deeper down into your, your psychology and figuring out how you're working. How's everything going on you? It's so amazing, refreshing to see someone who went through the journey, like you have, and now where you're at today, you know, giving
this advice, you know, with the Islamic touch in it, it just so beautiful to see. So what was that because it's no secret. Now, at the end, you ended up coming to Islam, that complete and total submission to the one and only created the heavens and earth. The one that Jesus worship, the one that Noah worship Abraham that pure monotheism, accepting the last and final message was sent to mankind simple message Where should one and only one God not his creation and be morally upright? That's Islam, you're living Islam? 100, I had a lot of mean,
what was it at the end? That had you finally? Because you left it until the end? So what was it at the end, when you went through all of the different things that are out there that had you accept Islam? So the thing that had me accepted onto the scent, and start putting it off, was the fact that
I was at my lowest point.
You know, I had, I had just gotten surgery,
the whole COVID thing was going on. So I wasn't really you know, spending time with other people. I was by myself, I was in pain. I couldn't work out. I couldn't move and I'm a pretty physical individual. I like
just like playing sports. I like working out like training martial arts, I do all these things, always keeping in motion. That's how I like mentally I will keep saying and once I had that stripped away from me, and then I had no social interactions, and you know, I kind of knew intuitively that I didn't want to play video games and I didn't want to like watch TV shows and movies and all that so because I knew I would just kind of use that as a an escape. So once I was there, just kind of sitting at my lowest point depressed. I was like, I gotta do something.
And then the only thing that came to my mind was like Okay, last time I was in this position, I did web talks and I started to come to the answers you know, and I even spoke about this for the first time I did dopamine detox I started to feel the pool towards Islam, but I didn't I didn't you know, answer that I didn't go to it. Like I said, I was scared of knowing the truth 100% And this time, like, all I was thinking about was just feeling that I didn't want it to the press I just want to feel better. So I started doing the dopamine detox and so the same feel that same pool to Islam. And for like, three days, maybe
three days I'd say I kept putting it off I was you know what I'm doing this building detox I don't want to be don't want to do it. I'm just gonna sit and meditate and reflect and heal from whatever it is that I got to heal from. And then by the third day, I was like, You know what,
let me just read immediately in the class because I have it is just reading his holy takes. So it's not like it's destroying this whole dopamine detox process. And that's when I started reading and was started reading all the verses too.
So would you would you the What advice would you give read? Would you say read the Quran, you read every other book, Joe Rogan, whoever else is out there just read the Quran a good English translation or Spanish or whatever background you come from, read the Quran, start with that.
I want to say read the Quran.
But it's like with every person, like it's, it's subjective for individuality. So Exactly, yeah. So like, someone reading the gram might be 100% for them, and therefore another person, it might be that self reflection that they need, for another person, it might just be breaking out of their shell, like being more social talking to people more, so they can
kind of open their mind because what ends up happening is we close ourselves off, and when we are closed off, we close ourselves off to guidance. Right? And, like, for whatever reason, we close ourselves off, we need to figure out what that reason is and start to kind of open up from there. But I'd still say reading the Quran is a big, a big piece of the puzzle here, for sure. When did you at what point did you ask? This seems something it just seems like something so simple. A lot of people they just don't do the simple, right? They do the complicated and convoluted just asking the creator, the One who created creation Guide Me Like You created me guide me, like, did you end up
doing that at one point asking God the Creator, the heavens and earth, not Jesus? Not Muhammad, but just not the sun, not the moon, none of these things and create not the crystals, not the jinn not the spirits, but just the one who created everything. Yeah, so it's crazy. They even bring that up. But when I was Christian, and I was with my ex fiance, I remember I would, because I still had that New Age mentality. So I was always constantly like researching cost, looking things up and trying to like, piece the pieces in my head. And I will always come to these like, crazy, these crazy conclusions. And I'd share that with everyone because I thought it was so crazy. And and some people
love this. Some people were like brothers, that's just too much. But I remember talking to my ex fiance's mom at the time. And I was like telling her all this stuff. And I was so passionate about it because I was like making these connections in my head. And she shared this thing with me saying that like
it was talking about gun obviously, in the context that will probably you know, referring to Jesus. But
what was said in his little piece was basically saying, like,
a man is always trying to understand further by we're always trying to basically like,
the mind is always trying to come up with this complex answer.
When it's like, you don't need to do that. It's very simple. You just, you come to me, and the thing was like, You come to me, you come into my presence, and you will be you will be at peace. And I when I read that, I was like, wow, like, this is too simple. This is too simple for me. And then like it never kind of never left. I'll be honest, I never lived and I kind of started to I kind of started to simplify things over time. And like, the more I simplified it, the more I kept asking like, oh, this seems too complicated, like
how can this be more simple? How can like what's
was the what's the most simple way here? And I get asked me a question, what's the most simple way you
and you enroll in Islam?
Alhamdulillah. So, that's amazing, because shaytaan makes it complicated, right? And seems to all there's so many religions, they're all teaching good. They're all, you know, a way like spokes on the wheel. But when you look into the different religions, you know, in all respect, you know, to the people, we're not trying to disparage any but you can see at one form or another, like you were talking about the, the way of life that you would the woman you're going to marry, you just saw contradiction after contradiction didn't make sense. Too much left interpretation, you want to something straightforward, clear, simple. And in one way or another, these manmade religions are
calling you to worship the creation, confusion. But when you come to Islam, it's straightforward. It's clear. It's like, I compare it like from darkness to light.
Yeah, and you're living testimony to that. So with the people out there who have all these prejudices, stereotypes, media manipulation has gotten to them. What do you say to people like that, but they have that deep void? Right? And they're stumbling in the dark? What do you like to tell someone like that?
I say, look for the truth. For the answers. Like if you if you sincerely want to know the answers, if you sincerely want to be at peace, if you sincerely want to live the best life that you can live,
look for the answers because of that. And the more sincere you become in your search, the more you'll be guided and eventually you'll you'll find what you're looking for.
You see now got a few minutes left for the Muslims out there. Everyone develops differently with their spirituality, we understand. But now 100 Allah, you're getting grounded more and more into the deen. But then when you see people taking
things for granted, have you seen some of that? Where now some of the basic stuff, you know, hijab is not Islam as a part of Islam. The beard is not Islam as part of Islam. But then you just make that small example with the other things like prayer, the bigger things, you know, and now the simple things that can be making your life less complicated, but you see a lot of Muslims taking it for granted and not implementing Salah not implementing the deen actually sometimes being an obstacle for people like you will come on, Oh, you don't have to put the beer. You don't have to worry, you're gonna have to do this. You don't have to give up this, that and the other. Right? Have
you seen some of this? And what's your response to that advice for those who are also struggling in that arena of confusion and they're Muslim?
The first thing is, is like, is that bringing you peace?
You know, because
if they're thinking that way, it's probably because in the way they're living their environment, what they are subject to, you know, or you have Muslims, and they live in the West. And no, like, there's no women will be there will be covering up, if anything, they're trying to wear as little as possible over you in the West. So that you have that constantly being bombarded. And if if the woman is, let's say that this Muslim, why she's going on social media a lot. She's watching TV shows and all that. And then her friends are also non Muslim. And she's going out into society, and she's seen all these non Muslim woman, do you not think that that's going to affect your psychology, like we
are a product of our environment.
So if the girl in the Muslim eyes is thinking this way, if she doesn't want to win a job, and she doesn't want to do these sorts of things, like you got to ask yourself the real question, is this bringing you peace? Is it
and if not, then why?
You know, and from there you from this? I don't want to get too complex with it. But it's asking yourself a simple question is like is this bringing me peace is bringing me happiness? And why is it that I'm doing what I'm doing?
People can catch up with you and the other brothers did three Muslims. Tell us about that? Yes, we're out we're out where else people can hook up with you to learn more humbly let your story
if you guys just want to hear my stuff and like the videos that I put out over like self improvement, you can go to my personal channel, which is my name but with an extra 8x Ray. And then if you want to get into the real stuff, the you know, the spirituality aspect, Islam,
philosophy, all these beautiful stuff. That's where the three Muslim channel I'm a part of that with two other brothers. And we we try to put up as much content as possible. Try to keep it real. Try to keep it
raw and unfiltered. Because our main intention from the beginning was kind of just recording our conversations that we were having. So that way other people can be a part of that conversation, you know, you're not there physically with us. But you're part of it. And I feel like there's something that we as
humans, we're just kind of missing that, you know, there's not very often that you meet other people who are on the same wave is, you know, so we made these videos with that intention, which just, we're trying to help
and beautiful Inshallah, this can be a benefit because we're not just trying to tell stories, we're trying to change lives. So your story has a lot of good behind it. 100 LON, hopefully people like Mr. Joe Rogan. And others like him. And people who have these preconceived notions just like you did, oh, Muslims are Arabs or they're oppressive and all this other nonsense, right? All the media manipulation that's happening in the world, people can see behind that you just gave them a taste and if they're sincere, and they want to know the truth, inshallah this can inspire people to look more further than that's, they've been seen. And thank you very much. It was really nice talking
with you on the level and design.
I mean, I mean, we're gonna have to do it again, we didn't we just scratched the surface. I got a lot. I'd like to talk to you more about Inshallah, we can do that in the future. So may Allah bless you disapplied
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