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Now before we get into Piers Morgan Why does so many women become Muslim these days? Why does they want to rest? So you're gonna tell me no no and funding the Muslim woman? Why does they want to be oppressed? So you're gonna tell me no, no. Why? Why does somebody want to be oppressed? Women in the World become Muslim these days? You tell me. Why don't you better ask them? Are you telling me what you think they seem to find it something that attracts them? Islam? Yeah. Okay. And also, we got this James Wales on the scene with the talk TV. I think there should be an investigation into ash in this show. This is James Whale unleashed. But you have too short of a leash on your co host ash.

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I don't believe a word of what you say if I thought he had said he thought genocide was acceptable. I probably wanted to show anymore. I probably wanted to show anymore. You know, Hamas is a minority in Gaza. Get rid of them, they need to rise up and get rid of them. But if the people do not get up and revolt against them, does that give us the right to bomb gods in

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Germany?

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You're

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seeing that Israeli the people are responsible for the government. Can you please have a little bit of wood? You know, I got our brother in the studio, who was just on the program, and actually had his video taken down. Yeah, exactly. I just found out they just took the video down. copyright strike dit so I'm gonna have to get on top of it, contact them and see what this is about. Because, you know, they just had a few other brothers on

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that went on the channel went on their show and uploaded on their YouTube channels and had no problem the videos are still up there. I didn't edit it or do anything shady, nothing like that. I just uploaded it as is the copyright strike me and remove the video so I gotta find out. What is this all about? So this is Jake, Muslim metaphysician. This is the

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talk about

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faith of Islam Show. Welcome to the deen show. That the show?

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Good 100 Good to be here, bro. Really excited to be here. 100 not last time we saw each other. We were at the PVD huh, exactly. First time we met was with PVD couple months ago with brother Daniel. And people who have been watching your show are familiar with that saga and how that went down. And we're gonna get into some stuff related to PBD recently as well in sha Allah. But yeah, man, that was that was a great time with uh, fortunately, they didn't let you on the show. But that was a great time. You know, that was a great time being with you guys there and inshallah

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may meet again, and you know, have more stuff going off. That was interesting, the direction everything was going, Patrick turned out to be okay. He's a good user. Of course, he had Patrick Patrick. And just to be clear, it was not the whip, Patrick Patrick was all for everything. He was a great host and Hamdulillah. He was fair balanced. And you know, people can go watch it and judge for themselves. Yeah, absolutely. So it was nice. It was seen like all these things were in the in the making the plans for having the two sides come together Christians, Muslims and tried to have some friendly discussions, dialogues. But then now it's really taken a turn unexpected events. You see a

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genocide is happening. And that's why you are on this talk TV. And you are calling out the genocide? Yeah, exactly. I was calling out the genocide. And I was I was hammering them. I mean, people can watch it for themselves. But I was hammering them for 10 straight minutes. I was I was not letting up. You know, because we know their MO. We've seen many pro Palestinian guests come on. They're even non Muslims. They do the same thing with them, you know, condemn Hamas, or the terrorist organization, all this kind of stuff. They want to always put the Muslim on the backfoot. We need to justify anything, you know, for what if Hamas ate the wrong breakfast? You know, three weeks ago, we

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got to talk about it like, but we can't talk about what's actually going down what the Israeli government has been doing for the past 75 years. What the IDF is doing. We just saw just recently a couple of days ago, they I mean, look at what they did to their own hostages. Take shot three hostages, killed them.

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And the guy was walking around with a with a white flag and a big stick. How could he tell you any more clearly that he's not a threat? They shot him and two other of the Israel, the Israeli hostages dead. So what do you think to doing to the Palestinian civilians? Do you think they're very cautious and they're worried about, you know, harming innocent civilians when they're killing their own hostages? No, not even close. So that's why when I went on the program

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I said, Look, you guys are in no position, you're not on any moral high ground. Who do you think you are? You know, in no position to question me about any of this. Suppose it wrong doings. You guys are calling for genocide on your own program. And you think you can question me that's not gonna work. So I hammered them for 10 straight minutes. And to the point where the host was calling for the producer behind the scenes, he said, take this guy off. And he was actually genuinely upset because the producer refused to remove me from the show. Imagine that the producer, a producer with the host was saying get him off the host James Whale said Get this guy out of here remove him from

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the show. But the producer wouldn't remove me from the show. Imagine that. So I imagine after that, after that episode, they must have had James Whale probably had a talk with them and said, What are you doing? I told you to remove him You didn't listen. So. And it's to the point where, of course, they don't want me to expose them as I was doing. But I think they realized that that segment was going to get good ratings. So the producer didn't want to stop the show. He didn't want to remove me from the from the from the stream, but I had to call them out. And you know, I'm not playing games with these guys. You guys are calling for genocide. And you want to talk to me about this other

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stuff? No, it's not gonna work. Like that's the same thing. Many are saying. I mean, he's our qualified experts out there. Norman Ficus Professor Norman Finkelstein, he's also Jewish back. Exactly. He was also using his parents are Holocaust survivors. Yes, she was also saying the same thing. And many others who have, who are experts in his area, what's been happening in the USA is a textbook case of genocide. And this is a difficult topic to broach. But I want to make the case for you, because it's something that I care a great deal about. And not just because

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I'm a, I'm Jewish, and therefore, I care about the Holocaust or something. And not just because I am a historian of ideas, and have been extensively studied genocide. So genocide studies is an interest of mine. I literally teach this. I've taught comparative genocide and teach a course on political violence in the 20th century that extensively covers this. It's something about which I've always been involved. And it's frustrating that it's so difficult to get people to recognize that that's what this is. They're saying to say they're seeing, and they're seeing that the international laws are being broken. Exactly. And these are war crimes that are being committed. Exactly. And there was

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new information that I actually brought up on on the James Whale show as well. They acted like I don't know if you caught it, but they acted like they didn't know about it. So what was this thing I brought up after I hammered them on the genocide stuff? I don't know if you saw this ad he did was an article that just came out where

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they did an independent investigation into into the bombs, the weaponry that Israel has been using. And they from three different sources saw the material, they came to the conclusion that Israel nearly 50%, not 5%, nearly 50% of the bombs that they're using. And this isn't my terminology, this is reported by CNN and major news media outlets, that the terminology that they use is these Israel, the Israeli government in the IDF are using what are called dumb bombs. Like, you know how we have what we call smartphones, right? Yeah, nowadays, they have what are called smart bombs, where they're guided missiles. They're very precise. And all of that the dumb bombs refers to an older

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technology that is based on technology from like the 1950s. Right? Where it's not very precise. It's not very accurate. They're not guided bombs, they call them dumb bombs. 50%, almost 50% of the bombs that they're dropping are dumb bombs. Now, check this out. If it was a poor country that didn't have a major military that didn't have millions of funding from Western countries like America and the UK, we could say, oh, well, alright, maybe they don't have the smart bombs. Maybe Maybe they don't have the technology, but America themselves are calling them out and President Biden which I'm going to get to his statement in just a second. Where they provided them with the smart bombs. It's not

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that they don't have them to use. They have the smart bombs and they're being provided millions of dollars for this weaponry. Why are they using this antiquated 1950s Dumb bomb technology? And this is going to be should be investigated as a whole

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war crime. Why? And this is why Joe Biden, if you saw recently, he mentioned that, look, America, we know has historically supported Israel. They've been a big backer of Israel historically. But they said, Look, Israel is starting to lose a favor of the public of public opinion. And he what he cited was because they are indiscriminately bombing. What does that mean? Well, it refers back to what I'm saying about these type of bombs that they're using. They're just dropping them haphazardly. And given the fact that they don't have a problem killing their own hostages waving a white flag, they don't have a problem dropping these dumb bombs, onto densely populated civilian areas where there

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are women, children, non combatants, and they don't care how many of them they kill, because they are more concerned with damage rather than accuracy. They've said it themselves. And this has has to be you mentioned war crimes. This has to be investigated as a war crime under indiscriminate killing, indiscriminate bombing, why are they dropping nearly 50% of their bombs are dumb bombs that are not guided, they don't care about precision. They keep telling the media, oh, it's Hamas that wants to kill all the civilians. They want to kill all Jews from the river of the sea. They want to kill everybody, buddy, buddy, blah, but Israel cares about, you know, they do all this research, and

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they make sure they're there. Everything is precise. And all their intelligence is precise, and they just want to kill the suppose a terrorist, this is all a lie. They're killing their own hostages. And they're using the dumb bombs from the 1950s. Seriously, to the point where Joe Biden, probably not easy he doesn't want to have to, but he's at the point where, and he said it before this came out. There's a connection between them when he made this comment about the indiscriminate bombing. Two days later, or just a couple of days later, the report comes out from American intelligence agency of this dumb bomb situation. So he knew about it, because people were wondering, what is Joe

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Biden know, why is he saying this, he had that information, and it was released, and the story was broken by CNN just a day or two later. So this is the stuff and I brought this up on talk TV that we've got to expose to the people, because the propaganda is so strong from the Israeli government, they're trying to convince everybody that they're so concerned with Palestinian civilian life, and they don't want to kill anybody. They're killing their own hostages, and they're bombing indiscriminately. And we are calling for it to be stopped.

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I want to show you a clip here is caught my attention is by a rabbi actually, and see which your thoughts on it as a 19 year old, American, Jew, young man, trying to find my place in the world, coming to a place where I felt like well, you know, like, Israel, that's, that's like my people's country. So the very first week, maybe the second or third day, I was in Jerusalem, I was walking down a street that's called Jaffa Street, and goes from the Jaffa Gate to Jaffa.

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And there's nice old stone shops and stuff. And there was a little boy, maybe six or seven year old boy

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bleeding from his head, he must have cut his hand on a broken bottle, bleeding and crying. And, and there was two policemen there. So I went to the boy.

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And I said, you know, come with me. And I took him to the policeman. And I said to the policeman in Hebrew, help help this boy. And they said to me, why are you talking about he's an Arab? Do you know, just get rid of him? So that was my first experience. And I'm like, Whoa, wait a minute, this is not okay.

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And I had experience after experience after experience like that for me.

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I would say 30 or 40 years before

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I could like break through the cognitive dissonance between

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wanting Israel to be a good place and the way the Jews are running that country be a good thing.

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I want to believe that and the facts right before my eyes are the, the opposite.

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And in my brain, I couldn't like put the two together. And you asked me Was there a specific incident so seriously, when the, the Mavi Marmara, which was a ship from Turkey, sailed with six other ships carrying

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UN humanitarian aids and Gaza. Seriously things like school notebooks and pencils and wheelchairs and crutches.

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And the Israelis attacked them in international waters

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and, and murdered a number of people. And when I saw that, I just thought like,

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I can't play this game anymore. I just have to like, rip off a robot, his humanity wasn't turned off. And I was thinking, like, imagine we can hear at home. Just visualize if you took a young boy to the police here. And they said, you know, excuse my language here. I would never use such derogatory language or call someone using this word. But if he said, If he said said the N word, right, please forgive me. But I'm just trying to say just replace Arab with the N word.

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Yeah, exactly. How repulsed? Will we be? Yes, this is an era he's in. Do you know, just get rid of him? So that's what's happening to the people over there. This is how they're treated. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, like he said, he even admitted it. He said, I went to cognitive dissonance. Basically, he didn't want to accept it. Because he said himself, he's, he's a Jew, he's a Jewish rabbi. He wanted to believe that Israel is a moral country that's doing the right thing. When he went there and saw it for himself. He realized, I can't defend this stuff. Imagine that a little boy is bleeding. And you show him, you know, shoo him away, like get the heck out of here kind of thing.

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Just completely disgusting. And it's not only him, we've heard one off, yeah, it's not one off. He said, What for the next 30 years, he saw stuff like this, he could probably if he had given more time to tell you more stories, right? So you know, people need to understand this, they need to stop being duped by quite frankly, the Zionist propaganda. And as we know, and this is a rabbi, so it's not all Jews, we want to be clear, we're not conflating Judaism with Zionism. And you've made that very clear on your program with the rabbis that you've had on everything. So, you know, that's your be clear to the audience. But we we have to, we have to and like he said, I know it's hard from for

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some Jewish people, and Christians as well, because a lot of them are duped with this whole American Zionist stuff as well, which you've exposed here on the program, in previous episodes, is people need to take off these glasses that they have on, they need to remove the cognitive dissonance and see what the truth is for yourself. Look at it with an open mind and an open heart and have some decency, have some human decency, for a fellow human being, who bleeds the same way that everybody else bleeds, the Arabs, the Muslims, they, they bleed the same way that the Jews and the Christians bleed, right? The human being just like everybody else. And unless they see them like that, you're

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not gonna get anywhere, they got to remove this layer of cognitive dissonance, and start to see the truth for what it is, it might be hard in the beginning, like for him, it was tough. He didn't do it overnight. But do your own genuine research and see for yourself reminds me of the Hadith by Prophet Mohammed, peace and blessings be upon us. He said to mankind, where he said, There's no difference paraphrasing between the the non Arab and the Arab, the white and the black. Yep. And he said this long before civil rights in the US, hundreds 1000 years before that, right before anybody was talking like this. The Prophet Alayhi Salatu was Salam peace be upon him said this, how long ago

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America is just coming to that realization in just within the past couple 100 years, right. So this should wake people up to that, you know, I was just talking I was just in a mosque earlier, I was just talking to a brother who's interested in Islam and this is one of the things I brought up. There's no racism in Islam. That's not to say that some Muslims may be wrong and and be racist at times every every that happens with everybody in certain situations, but the religion doesn't teach racism does it teach you to hate Jews? No, doesn't doesn't teach you to hate Jews doesn't teach you to hate Christians. The Quran says that the people of the book, they're not all the same. This rabbi

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is not the same as a Zionist that is going to laugh at a child that he believed in history. He's not the same as Ben Shapiro. Exactly. He's not the same as Ben Shapiro. He's not the same as was the guy or the guy or the guy that you're calling out on the on the program program because he's, yeah, he's also one of the guys on there. And you were telling what's his name? You're telling the you were telling him as well James Wales, put them on a leash? Yeah. I said your show was called unleash, unleashed. But you don't have your co host on Alana on on a short enough leash. Yeah, he's calling for James

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genocide on your program. And you have the audacity to imagine now if it was flipped Exactly. Imagine if I said that I and I was in the UK probably you'd be in jail. Yeah, there should be no genocide against any body. And if you follow Islam up against this, you can't see in any history. I mean, tell me Look, you've studied some history we've studied. And you see that genocides have been committed, can someone go ahead and justify genocide according to the Quran? Never, never because and the Hadith are clear, the Quran is clear. The Prophet peace be upon him says what he says explicitly, we cannot kill non combatants in war. We Muslims, yes, it's not as if we were pacifist.

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We don't believe in self defense or war when it's necessary, right? Of course. But we believe that there's etiquette to war, there's morals to war. We cannot kill innocent women, children, elderly, priests, rabbis, the religious clergy, even from other faiths. It is prohibited in Islam the Prophet peace be upon them. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said you cannot do that. That's haram. It's prohibited. And Muslims know this. So any if a Muslim does this, we don't care if it's Hamas, we don't care if it's, you know, your friend Achmed from down the street, we don't care who it is, whatever Muslim it is. We don't accept that. Now. You're not a card carrying member of Hamas? Never

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Never. Of course, I'm not spokesman for I'm not at all you see how they're trying to conflate the two. They're trying anybody who's trying to stop the babies from being massacred. They're trying to connect them. Now, just like they do it. On the flip side, right, Eddie? Because what do you do on the flip side? If you're if you're anti Zionism, you're anti Semite. Now, you see how they flipped it? It's the same thing. If you're, if you're not a Zionist, you're an anti Semite. Really, but how see if we go into I mean, how foolish is this? Because if it wasn't for Islam, if it wasn't for Muslims, I mean, it's historically noted, this is documented Jews, professors, historians, academics

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come out. And often quote, they David Warren Steen says Islam saved the jury. Exactly that if it wasn't for Islam, because you had on one end, you had the Christians persecuted the Jews. And they ran to Muslims who protected Did you Exactly, exactly. We touched upon this when you because that's the narrative now because they exactly need to have designers need to have a homeland to protect them from the Muslims exactly during during the Golden Age of Islam, which is sometimes called the for to the golden period of Islam. The Jews went through their own golden age, right? They had freedom to produce their own literature. Some of them were in high ranking positions in political in

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the political sphere. They were able to have their own court systems and rule, you know, based on their own Jewish traditions, all of that stuff. I mean, even

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one of them was a personal doctor. Mm, yeah, exact Rambam. He had Rambam who everybody nominees. Yeah, the second Moses Exactly. So these people had, and we're not trying to say there was never any problem. It's not like there's never any problem wasn't completely perfect, to be clear, but it was much better. Why is because the Muslims, when they judge, according to Assam, there's what Justice Jessie's right just had I just had a Muslim from Gaza recently, and I had orthodox rabbi, he was confirming it's one thing, we're talking about it but he said, We flourished, Jews flourish. And Muslims, of course, Muslims saved us. So how do we get here they fled, they fled from the

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Christians, right? And this is not that, you know, we don't have to sit here and knock all Christians, but this is the historical reality, go and look and see even what Jewish historian said, Jews fared much better in the society of Muslims and Islamic society than they've ever with, with the Christians. So how did we get to a point where now, many, and it's not all but many Christians and Jews now with this whole Zionist thing are teaming up? And it's like them against the Muslims? How do we get to that point? Right. And that's, that's something we have to think about. But you guys, you guys have covered it, in previous programs with the history of Zionism. How infiltrated

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through the Scofield Bible and all this kind of stuff. So I want to say I want to get into that let's, we're going to get into that. But when you mentioned here, now, you have this book that thank you gifted me, harem, this you know, many people bring up Jihad and exactly what not. But here we see this Christian interpretations of harem passages. Exactly. And then you had recently and this is what Norman Finkelstein he used to support that statement genocides and when you're different depriving people food, water, fuel, and then when you're

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Sending codes like and you're not even doing one of these, like clicking Netanyahu when he's out there who was actually, he's indicted, wasn't he? He was. He was political criminal. He's about to go to jail. And now he's become a war criminal. And then he's on the TV calling the, and you're very familiar with the Bible. Emilich Hamelech intellect. So the Norman Finkelstein, Professor Noam is Jewish professional, or Finkelstein, he puts all this together, and he says equals genocide. Exactly. Yeah. So I mean, for people who don't know, you know, let's explain it to the audience. You have this concept in the Bible, which is called harem. And this book here that I've gifted to Eddie,

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and I recommend people read it is called Making Sense of Old Testament genocide. This is not written by a Muslim or, you know, anti Christian people. So he calls it genocide. Now, what does this refer to this thing? harem. And this is a term that we want Muslims to start knowing, and to start using in conversation with Jews and Christians, because it's in their Bible. We didn't put it there that that's there. That concept is there. And harem, if you look it up, basically roughly translate to an utter destruction, total destruction, or annihilation of people. Now, how is that related to Amulek? Well, Amulek, were certain people group that are in the Old Testament

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that existed in Old Testament times. And supposedly they're so evil and so bad. There's a lot of propaganda around it. But they are like enemy number one in the Old Testament, right? And there are commands now, as Muslims, we don't believe this, we have to be clear on this. We do not believe that. When Jews and Christians tell us that God commanded us commanded this we don't believe this. The Jews and Christians believe and this is actually something that I brought up on the PBD podcast, so maybe we can link it to that as well.

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Am allec is said to be commanded by God to destroy every woman, child, infant, even livestock even donkey measuring what did a donkey do? You gotta kill the donkey to even infants in the Bible says to kill infants, total destruction. This is what harem is a total wiping out so when he refers to when Bibi Netanyahu, Benjamin Netanyahu, gets up in front of the Jewish people. He and He uses the word emelec. Everybody in the audience doesn't know what that means. But he is appealing to his base so soldiers know exactly the ones pushing the buttons from the drones. Exactly, Eddie, and he actually compared the IDF to a figure called Joshua Ben noon in the Bible, Joshua Ben noon, where

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you see the book of Joshua, and Joshua, chapter six, and people can go and read it literally calls for the same thing, the utter destruction. He's comparing the IDF soldiers to Joshua and his soldiers. Well, what did they do? They killed every man, woman, child and infant. So when he calls the Palestinian people Amulek. That's a dog whistle. That's a buzzword to energize his base to say, yeah, yeah, let's kill all of us the coal. This is a code word for genocide. People have to know that this when they call the Palestinian people, Amalekites and by the way, guess where the Amalekites were what? Guess where they in the Canaanites were said to live in Palestine. And where

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they were they're living in Gaza right? Now, historically. That's where the Bible says that they describe them. So they believe genetically, those people living in Palestine are actually genetic descendants of the Amalekites the evil people from the Old Testament. So when they say that they are calling for genocide, there's no question about it. And this is the prime minister of Israel. And we have Western countries supporting this country, when they're calling for genocide live on air, they're

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slipping. Again, flip it. Now imagine if a Muslim was doing this. And someone who has some twisted interpretation, he was quoting a verse out of context and kill them wherever you find them. Right. And he was saying that to people who are actually doing it. And then the whole slide Piers Morgan doesn't cross examine, or he doesn't even bring this up. Did you see one time Piers Morgan bring this up to a note? Yes, no, no, the only time I even saw happened was and credit to Norman Finkelstein. He brought it up on Piers Morgan shows, but that was of his own accord. And he noticed when he did, Piers Morgan didn't acknowledge it. He didn't comment on it. Why didn't he then turn

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around and say, Oh, that's a good point about emelec and then put it to the to the to the Jewish guests. Why is he never pressing them on this? I want to I want to ask you, I want to go back to someone to touch upon this. So this is very important. I like what you said about we don't believe these genocidal verses that don't believe violence.

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And here's a proof here if you open up chapter five verse 32 of the Quran, the meaning of which is because the verse starts off because of that I ordained for the children of Israel that if anyone killed a person, not a retaliation for murder and for for pretty mischief in a land it would be as you killed all mankind, you know how diverse goes, saving one isn't I've saved all of mankind. So, here's the proof that Allah God Almighty, the creator, is telling them at that time, this is holes for us even to this day, that you cannot do this. You cannot kill innocent men, women, children. So this is a proof and then you can use from the Bible where I think it's in Jeremiah, what is the

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Jeremiah eight eight, that the lying pennant describes? So and we know in the Quran that Allah is also saying that woe to those who write the book with their hands, this is verses they change Exactly. And look at it they justify

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that genocide, even at that time was say, exactly, and we No, see the Crohn's position is very clear. We believe in that original tour that was given to Moses, we believe in the Injeel, the Gospel original, the original one that was revealed to Jesus and Moses PSP upon both of them. However, we don't believe what they have now in terms of its corrupted, right, and its truth myths mixed with falsehood. That's what the Quran says. So, but check this out. And that's a good thing you brought up? Why did Allah subhanaw taala choose to reveal that specific verse 532? Well, because he knew through his own knowledge and wisdom, that people had already changed the scription for

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these harem verses. So he revealed this to say, that's not from me. That's not funny. Right? Because think about it this way. There's so much falsehood in there. So the Quran doesn't pick on every little thing. Yes, but Allah subhanaw taala, in his last revelation to mankind in which he preserved the Quran, he chose, it was so important to correct this falsehood that they injected into the Scripture, he felt it was so necessary that he had to correct it and reveal a verse in the Quran about it to say, so that people would know, not only the Muslims, so that when the Jews and the Christians read it, they said, Wow, that's not from God. I knew something wasn't right when I read

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that, you see, so he's trying to get them to think about so the people who have been kind of going through, you know, playing the mental gymnastics and their heart they know and they're trying to make sense of it. You can never really make sense of it. Unless you come to Islam, you come to the Quran. That's why God Almighty Allah sent the last the final mission to clear all this stuff up all this confusion. Exactly. And that brings me into this next clip I want to play because it gets into and we'll touch upon his clip and in there, we can kind of incorporate your story because you went through a similar journey. Your former Christian, yes, right. Yeah. And you really did your

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homework. Yes, investigated, investigated and led you to Islam. So let's get into this is a

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bishop

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Mar Mari.

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And he was recently on the PBD podcast with our friend Patrick, ben David. So let's go ahead and listen to this clip. And we'll get your response to it and kind of get your story in between somewhere in there. They talk about laws, I'll ask them, Are you fulfilling that low? Of course not, you're falling very short of that low. So don't tell me you have to do this, where you are failing as a leader, your profit failed those lows. Your on profit failed them who? Mohammed and all the other leaders, such a reporter move and the and the very reason why Muhammad fell because he's dead. Their book says that. But their book also says about my Messiah, even though the ASA in the Quran is

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not the Christ of the Holy Bible, totally separate people with we cannot claim something that is not truthful. I know truth hurts. I'm not offending people. I'm speaking the truth. And if it offends you, I'm really sorry, not. I'm not sorry for that. But let me tell you one thing, your book says that ASA Son of Mary went up to heaven alive, and he will come back to judge the dead every living. If I ask a Muslim who judges they will say God, while you're telling me this prophet will judge. So which is which, as the prophet taken the role of God, has God gone on vacation and he's come and take his position? No. But ASA is the living Messiah. Even their book says, there's a lot to unpack

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here. Yeah, a lot. I mean, where do you where do you want to start? How about

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two separate individuals? So he's saying that the Jesus of the Bible and Jesus the Koran totally separate? Yeah, I mean, I don't know where he's getting this from.

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Obviously, we just went over in the previous part of the discussion, we don't believe everything that the Bible says about Jesus peace be upon him, right. But it's the same person, right? We believe he's a prophet, we believe he's the Messiah. We believe that he's the son of Mary of a virgin birth etc.

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etc, right. But we believe that the Christian has distorted the message of Jesus peace be upon him. They made him into a god. And now what he's trying to do here in In this segment, is he saying, oh, and the Muslims are basically have to concede that Jesus is God. Notice what he kind of did there. He said, even in the Muslim book, in the Muslim scriptures, that Jesus went to heaven alive, and he's going to come back, which is true, that part is true. We believe that he saw that he Saddam, he escaped death, and he will come back. But where did he get this business in our Scripture about that he is going to judge the dead and the living. That's not the role of Jesus peace be upon him when he

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comes back to judge the dead and the living. The only thing that even if we can give him right, is that, yes, those who follow Jesus peace be upon him, when he comes back, who are on his side, they're gonna be on the right side of history in sha Allah. But he's not in a position of God judging the dead and the living in the way that he's talking about it. So with all due respect to him, I don't know where he plucked us out of thin air, but we Muslims don't believe in what he's saying. So he's not he's not representing our beliefs accurately. And I think that's something that we have to know. Yeah, I want people to understand this. I mean, and I asked many Christians as far

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as I had on the program, and I ask them, do you get offended when we say Jesus peace be upon them and they smile, they smile, if we take it back, because they'll call us Muslims AntiChrist, but you have this strange relationship with the Zionists on this end. And then you have the Christian supportiveness. And then you look into it. They're actually the Antichrist. Exactly. They're actually the ones if you look into and we don't want to repeat the things that are said about, you know, something, a soft version of it is common criminals said by Ben Shapiro, what's a comment? You call Jesus a comment for criminals? If you call Jesus a common criminal in Islam, you go to the

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hellfire. Exactly. So we love Jesus. But Now historically, academically, if some of this is a fault, let's just unpackage this. Rationally, this is a false This is a lie. Because this can be proven this is this, this is the same individual that we're talking about. This is not like he's trying to make it seem like this is a totally different No, individual. No, exactly. I mean, it's complete distortion. And, you know, this is no disrespect to Patrick, that David. I'm not blaming him for anything. But this guy is supposed to be an expert. He's supposed to be representing the Christian religion. He's on the program, speaking about Islam, and with all due respect to the platform. He's

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He's distorting Islam, he's not representing our belief accurately, he could disagree with our position. But don't say that Muslims, we believe in our holy scriptures that it says that Jesus can come back to judge the living in the dead, implying that Oh, basically, Muslims believe that Jesus is God too, because God everybody knows is the judge on Judgement Day. So gee, if Jesus is the judge, according to Muslims, then what he's in the role of God, he's implying that all basically Masons really, we don't believe that. So they have to, you know, I hope that maybe Patrick will see this and or some of his viewers will see this because this needs to be clarified. I think this

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priest or pastor whatever he calls himself, I think he should be questioned about where are you getting this from? You're asserting this about Islam. It's not true. Let's touch upon this at the same time you're because I've interviewed so many people hundreds upon hundreds and really what fascinated people, there's so many different things, but the basic teaching that really draws the hearts the common sense, the logic, you know, it just blows everything away that pure monotheism Tawheed in Islam, hero is where the Lord thy God is one there's no confusion about this worship one God and Jesus repeated it in Jesus over and over and over now you can take and we'll get into some

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of those ambiguous verses before Abraham was I am What else can you think about whoever see me seeing the father why in the Father are One on One all these can be explained? There's context Yeah. But then when you look at the clear clear versus right the 17 three Yes. Reduces life eternal that they may know the the only job and separate indistinct and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. What does that sound like? The shahada right testimonial right? Yeah. Hey, Lola, and what so there's no God but Allah, yes. And Jesus is sent by God is a messenger of God. That's what we believe. That's exactly what we believe. And at the time of Jesus, that's what true Muslims those who submit

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themselves to the will of God, they would have said, just like we say, there is no God, but and there's none worthy of worship except the one and only two.

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procreator and what the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him is set by that one and only true God. How long did you because there's a lot going on right now there's emotions right now for for Christian friends and neighbors this makes sense. They did a study over 50% I believe it was Christians evangelical I think 30% Don't believe Jesus is God. He's a good he's a good man a good teacher. So we confirm even what the Bible says. Isn't it true that the Bible calls him a prophet? Yeah. Of Matt Nazareth? What are the terms are used? But there's no way sigh? I'm a site we confirm the Word of God. We confirm Mary, son of Mary, we confirm all this exactly. But is there anywhere in

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your studies? And was this also a catalyst in this something that you had an affinity towards this basic belief of just worshipping? The God of Jesus the One who created Jesus the one Jesus worshipped you? Can you touch upon this? Yeah, so just for people who don't know I have a background I was raised as a Roman Catholic, my entire family is Roman Catholic Christian. And um, you know, I always believed in God Eddie out was never became an atheist or anything like that. How did that never made sense to me, it's obvious that there's a creator, right. But this idea that Jesus peace be upon him, was God and man at the same time, and he was God, but yet he came and died for our

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sins, but God doesn't die. None of this stuff ever made sense to me. So I never really believed in it. And when I read the Quran, and its message was so clear, was so direct, was so simple. And I realized, wow, I could believe in Jesus peace be upon them, Islam as the only other religion that makes it a tenant of faith, that if you don't believe in Jesus peace be upon them as a righteous Prophet and Messiah, you can't be a Muslim. There's no other religion like that. Now, Christianity has gone too far, because they affirm that but then they say is God also. But has it make sense? He's God and man at the same time? Well, God is immortal, and eternal. He can't talk die. But yet he

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came to die for our sins. And you know, just touching back because I forgot to mention this. What that guy mentioned Marmari, or whatever his name was, on the PBD show. He said something like, Oh, what is this? Like? Is, is the Muslim God absent? Why is Jesus becoming? Why is Jesus becoming the judge? Well, hold on a second, what are you talking about? You believe in a God that came and died? So you believe in an absentee God? Why did your God have to come and die in order to save mankind? If he's all knowing, all merciful, all powerful? Why would God come and die? I mean, this doesn't make any sense. He was one of the world's who was running the world. So you're accusing us of an

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absentee god? I'm sorry, sir. But

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you believe in absentee God. That's an important point that I want people to note and go and play that clip back was he accused us based on a false representation of our faith? And yet, it's actually his faith that has that understanding. But yeah, fundamentally, and this is a simple message of Assam. When I read the Quran, Edie for the first time, I actually read the Quran with the wrong intention. Sincerely, I read the Quran with the wrong intention actually to refute the Quran. Can you believe that? And actually, many, like many do, yeah, and ALLAH SubhanA wa, tada, Allah, the Most High. He still guided me. I don't know why he must have saw something in me. Right? Look,

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you're doing this for the wrong reason. But look, he still guided me to Islam at the end of the day, with the wrong intention. When I read the Quran, and I read, they believe in one God, they worship one and only true Creator. It's been the same message from the first man Adam, peace be upon them all the way to the final prophet with Moses and Jesus Peace be upon both of them in between the all came with the same basic message, worship one and only true creator, right? Everyone is responsible for themself, that one of the verses and it really stuck out for me, coming from a Christian background, no soul shall bear the burden of another and this is actually in line with the Old

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Testament right? The son will not be put to death for the father to Father is not put it

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always made sense to me I'm saying Jesus and and our religion and also the Christians claimed is to although a stock for the law, they actually say Paul actually says in Galatians that Jesus is a curse. I mean, could you think Edie of a Muslim saying that Jesus peace be bottom is cursed? They say Jesus is God? How could God become a curse for mankind?

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It's just completely blasphemous for us. And so what I'm saying here, this concept never made sense to me. In Islam, we have to believe in Jesus as a prophet as a messenger who did many miracles. And we can't say he's cursed. This is completely forbidden in Islam. How is it the case that this innocent man, this innocent prophet of God, died for the sins of all the guilty? This is like me, and may Allah protect me from this. It's like me committing a crime. And I show up in the American courtroom and I said, Judge, I'm sorry, but I admit it. I'm guilty. I did it. I shot John. Let's just say, you know, God forbid, yes. And my friend Eddie is sitting in the courtroom. Right? They

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convict me, they say, okay, he's admitting to it. We even caught them on tape, everything. They got all the evidence. And then the sentencing comes down. And right before the judge is ready to put the hammer down and tell me I got life in prison or death penalty, or whatever it is.

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Edie stands up and he say, You know what, Judge? I know Jake did it. I had nothing to do with the murder. But I want to take his place. Can you kill me? Can you take my life instead of my friend? Jake? Would they accept that, Eddie, would the family be happy punishing you for something that I did to their family member? Of course not. This is not justice. They will say bailiff, take I'm sorry, Eddie, with all due respect. We got to take this guy out of here. He's causing a problem in the courtroom. Yeah, right. They wouldn't accept that this is not justice. And in Islam, we believe that mankind was created with what we call an Islamic terminology, the fitrah, which is the basic

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innate disposition, not only to know the one and only true God, but also to have basic moral concepts like this concept of truth and justice, that we know this is not correct. This doesn't make sense coming from our Creator, would he want us to believe in such confusion, the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion, but yet you're telling me God became a man. Right? And God can't die. And he's immortal, but yet he died for our sins. And innocent people aren't put to death for their, the sins of their father or the sons. But Jesus became cursed. God became cursed. Right? God forbid, God became cursed to die for the penalty and the sins of evil mankind. What is this? This

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doesn't make any sense to anybody with common sense or some decency or understanding of human justice. It just doesn't make sense. And so when I read the Quran, and it gave an alternative narrative, that made much more sense, I embraced Islam and you know, it hamdulillah Allah subhanaw taala guided me at the end of the day, even though I had the wrong intention. I want people to take this seriously because it's very important and how do you think now in the cognitive dissonance kicks in and people like they've been told so many negative things? How did you go through that moment? Like okay, they try to paint a picture like Muslims are backwards, barbaric terrorists, all

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this other nonsense that comes with it. And now you're seeing you're reading the Quran. You see, this is it makes sense. It fits with my fitrah, like you said, my natural disposition, how did you go ahead and get through all of the negative programming that was happening? And finally, take your step forward to take your Shahada? Yeah, you know, Edie, I've always been a person that,

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you know, has been independent in the sense that, if I think something's right or true, at the end of the day, you know, I'm sorry to say, with all due respect to my family, I love them. But I have to do what I think is right, I have to accept the truth at the end of the day. And in particular, I was raised mainly by my mother, because my parents got divorced at a young age. And it was more hard on her than anything, I remember a story because, and, you know, unfortunately, I love my mother, but, you know, everybody's been susceptible to this propaganda that's been pushed, especially after 911 and, uh, you know, what's gone on in this country. He's trying to demonize Islam, and it's all

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about terrorism and violence and all this. Building six.

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Exactly taught me everything that's gone on with this stuff. And so my mom watches the news, you know, unfortunately, a lot of the Americans don't know any better. That's why shows like this is so important. Because we have to educate not only the Muslims, but the non Muslims to let them hear from Muslims. What do we actually believe not from Mari Mari or any of these people, Robert Spencer, any of these people telling you what we believe, hear from us? What do we actually believe? And so, you know, there was a time where my friend called me Eddie and I was I was a new Muslim. I told this story before, but

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just to give you an insight into what my mother was thinking, and what many Americans are thinking, unfortunately, and I picked up the phone I agreed with my friend with the greetings of Islam, which is

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As of peace, I said, I said I'm Aleykum to my friend when I picked up the phone. And that's it. I didn't go into like, I didn't know much Arabic at the time. I didn't go into full blown Arabic conversation with my friend. And I was just on the phone with him for a couple minutes. I was in my mom's place. And I hung up the phone and my mom turned at me and looked at me and she said, Son, don't you ever speak Arabic in my home again? And I was shocked. I'm saying, well, and my mom actually was a teacher, she actually spoke. She speaks Spanish she is she taught Spanish in high school. She taught ESL to foreigners. I'm sitting here thinking, what what is wrong with the Arabic

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language, but they actually demonized Islam to the point of thinking, this is an Arabic religion. Arabic is actually a satanic language. It's almost like magic or evil voodoo stuff going on, just by speaking imagine not just by saying the greetings of peace in Islam. My mom was so put off by it. She said, Son, don't you ever speak Arabic in my home again. So that was quite shocking, is very programming is very difficult to deal with Eddie. You know, it's very difficult to deal with now my mother, but if you if you you know, someone can say, What can I say peace be with you. So you define these words? Yeah, exactly. And I told my mom said, All it means is peace, Mama just saying peace to

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my friend Peace be with you. Yeah. And even Christians say that in church. You know, anyone I used to go to church, when during the prayer service and stuff used to shake the hand of the person next to you and say, Peace be with you. Peace be with you. So used to do to do that in a church in the Catholic Church? There's a part of salaam aleikum? Exactly.

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There's a part of the service and Catholics if you're watching this, you know this, I'm telling the truth. Tell me I'm wrong. Part of the Catholic service during the service is you shake the

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the hand of the person next to you. And it's kind of similar, right? How do we end a prayer and Assam, we turn to the right. And we say what I said I'm on a computer, and we turn to the left. And we because when we're in rows, we're standing next to people right? And we're also to the angels we know as well. But

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and even in Christianity, they have a same thing. They don't do that. But they turn to the person next to me shake your hand and say peace be with you. Imagine that the mom is so programmed to the point she just heard Arabic word. She didn't understand that even when I broke it down, obviously was in the beginning stages. Now my mom has come around a little bit and hungry to the point where when I when I go to her house, or if we have a meal together at dinner, and she makes something for me she makes sure it's halal meat, right that I can that can eat right? Because, ya know, so what my advice would be if people aren't interested in Islam, go where your conviction leads you. If you

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believe it's the truth and you sincerely investigate it. And yes, I'm not telling you to rush in anything. Do your own research. Take your time. See what your heart and mind are telling you. And I know it's going to be hard for people like that in the beginning, you don't always have to come out and immediately tell your parents, right? Try to do it in in a in a genuine way you know your family better than I do. But take your time with it sincerely, seriously, consider Islam. And if you believe it's the truth, take that next step. And you know, take that next step and accept Islam at least in the beginning. So you can be on the right side of history right? Absolutely. And then and

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then deal with the other stuff later. You can you can deal with your friends and family slowly but surely as time goes on, and yes, yes. And and let's go with this to this part of the bishop saying that. He actually said the bishop was saying that Mohammed fails to listen. Yeah, and the very reason why Mohammed failed because he's dead. Their book says that he said Mohammed fails, you know, I mean, and then his example example.

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I mean, his example Eddie was so preposterous with all due respect, his example of how the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as failed. And we know what some of these people say of his suppose it failures which we don't even need get into. He didn't bring that up. He said his failure was that he he peace be upon him died he passed away he died and and what How is that a failure? So Eddie, think about this. Moses died I was just gonna say that you took it right out of off of my tongue. Moses died Abraham does was Abraham a failure? God forbid. was Moses a failure, no offense, or you can go down the list out even Jesus peace be upon them, according to them died. Now they believe he came

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back to life but if just dying as a failure, then Jesus, you know, God forbid is is a failure. Moses is a failure. Abraham is a failure. Are you serious? Is this and this is a question to the Christians listening. Is this what Christianity teaches that Abraham peace be upon him is

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A failure. The father of their religion is a failure. The father of the Jews is a failure. Moses is a failure. Is this what their religion teaches? And if it is, they seriously need to reconsider Islam. Because we respect all the prophets. All of we don't say any of them or failure. Edie, if I said that Moses was a failure out, you would you would say, All right, we gotta cut this off. Sorry, Jake, you're out of the. We don't accept that. Yeah, we'll cut the stream right there. This is we it's just blasphemous language. I wonder if he's thinking before he spoke. I mean, things come out. The next thing he talks about is, I think he was trying to put it in a sense also, he mentioned that

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part. But then he talked about the laws now. So because Jesus died for your sins, the law is abolished. Yeah. So now this is a failure. Because how many Muslims live up to the law as you can, you know, you've heard this song. It's all from Paul. We know. Yeah. I mean, Eddie, you know it from studying the New Testament. This is all coming from Paul. We see it even other

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quote unquote Jews who who accepted Jesus as the Messiah and don't lose your place. I just want people to let's make a caveat here. And Paul, former bounty hunter, can we just call them course? Yeah, bounty hunter of Christians. Yeah, we can say former Christian killer. I mean, that's not often really that's what it was. I mean, these are facts. Yeah. No disrespect to anybody out there. So now he all of a sudden on his road to Damascus. Yeah. Then he saw a light, supposedly, right? It could have come from, really from God, we don't. Right. So let's go now. So this is the man Yeah, exactly. So Paul introduces this doctrine in the Jews, and something that the Jews and the Muslims

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have in common. We believe in a law. We believe in a law that we have to follow the Jews have the Torah, of course, we believe in the last and final messenger, the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them coming with the Quran, the our Scripture and the Sunnah, his prophetic way. But we both fundamentally believe in the law, what is the what is sandwiched in between Christianity, which all of a sudden comes with the advent of Paul, who says, well, he saw this light, and he's even discrepancy of the story of how it happened in the New Testament, just contradictions in the story. So it looks shaky from the beginning. But and we don't know where it

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really came from. But but the point is, he comes with this doctrine that, oh, the law is a curse for us. And so then he's because Jesus became a curse from us, for us, to break us free from the law. Right? As if the law is evil. No, the law is not evil. God is telling us how to behave, how to be moral, what our obligations and duties are to him, not just oh, just accept Jesus Christ in your as your Lord and Savior. And I'm not trying to trivialize it, but this is a reality for many Christians. Oh, and then you could go out and do whatever you want. No, I mean, this is just a to a Jew, which and what I want people to realize is, who were the first quote unquote, Christians, of

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course, we believe there were Muslims. But who were the first followers of Jesus the Messiah, there were Jews. So Jews would be totally opposed to this idea of that the law is a curse, the law is bad for us, we need to get rid of it and completely throw it away. This would have been an alien concept to the Jews. But Paul because he had to make a name for himself and you know, in my personal opinion, create his own religion. That's the way that he went and unfortunately, he duped a lot of people and people are still following it today, but this is certainly not the message of Judaism classically, and it's not the message of Islam and it's never been the message of Jesus any of the

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Prophets in Islam simply meaning to submit to the creator the heavens and earth exactly that's how you get peace in life and contentment so this is the way of life that was there from the beginning from the moment Adam is not a new religion Exactly. And it continued on submit your will to the one and only one God exactly kept going and kept going until today. So now when he talks about failing Let's just touch upon this for a second again because they tried to make it like you can't even the laws are there but you can't even fulfill them but you as a Muslim Now how do you see it? I mean, how do you see because it's a mercy yes, those at that time it became something now because they

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were rebellious and whatnot, but now probably Muhammad came and everything how is it from when you wake up to you go to sleep? There are the do's and don'ts Yeah, how is this compared to your life before and now that you have some structure and you're able to if you fall short or you like curse to the Hellfire because you fall short? How does it from a Muslim perspective? These laws of course we believe and we view the laws not as a curse or anything bad. We believe it as a blessing as a favor from Allah subhanaw taala because we don't believe

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If, you know, contrary to many secularists and he's atheist that they can just create their own moral system. The Koran says, What have you seen those who have made their own desire as a God besides Allah. This is a type of shipwreck where people make their own whims and desires, their own morality. They don't want any thing to submit to we believe submission, Islam is submitting your will to be in line with what the creator says, Can we say that's the Lord's Prayer? Yeah, of course, our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. Exactly, exactly. We want to make sure that our will is aligned with the Creator. creators will this is what Islam is.

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It's not this just weird. Foreign Arabic religion. No, this you can be any race in, in Islam in submission to the one and only true Creator. It's always been that way. And this is something I want to get to right the story of Adam peace be upon him. Because you said, Okay, Edie, you and I are not perfect, we make mistakes, we sin. What do we do? What what is the narrative in Islam versus Christianity? Christian narrative is, Adam and Eve. See, you know, were deceived by Satan, they ate from from the tree. And now because of that, mankind is doomed. Basically, their their nature is evil. Now all of a sudden, right? You have this concept of original sin. Now, man, even babies are,

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are born into sin. And so you need Jesus to become a man some somehow God becoming a man so that he can, you know, restore the the human nature to its original thing. No, we don't believe in that. Just as even the Old Testament says, The Son is not punished for the father's sins. We don't believe in this concept of original sin. What's the difference in Islam? How does it explain the story of Adam PSP poem, and even some Muslims don't recognize this. It is such a as a story for us as a lesson.

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How do we as you said when we make a mistake when we fall short when we sin?

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We take the example of Adam peace be upon him the first man, what did he do? What did he do? And how did he get right with his creator? He made Toba, he repented to God. He repented to God for what he did wrong. And God Allah subhanaw taala, the most high said, I'm going to send you revelation, I forgive you. God forgave him for what he did. He made a mistake, he slipped up. God forgave Adam peace be upon him. After he was sincere, he said, I was deceived. Lord, I, you know, I made a mistake. Please forgive me. He was forgiven. And God sent them out of paradise and said, guidance will come to you from me. And anyone that follows My guidance, they're going to be right with God.

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So that's what our message is, when we slip up, and we know that we did something wrong, right? We turn and sincerely repent to our Creator, try to amend our ways, and go back to following the guidance from our Creator. That is such a beautiful message over and against this concept of No, you can never follow the law perfectly. So because of that, God has to come an innocent person, we believe Jesus peace be fine. We don't believe he was God, and we believe he was innocent is going to die for the sins of all the guilty. Do you see the different messages and salvation? I want the people to think which one makes more sense? What resonates with your heart, mind and soul, the

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Islamic conception of submission to the Creator, right? And recognizing the one and only true God and turning to him and repenting him when you do wrong and trying to rectify your ways? Or shoving it off on somebody else that's innocent and saying, no, he's going to pay for my sins. I don't gotta worry about it. Which one makes more sense? And you can see imagine like, since we're replying to the guest here of the PVD compass, podcast, if you imagine Patrick and David, or any successful person, they got a strict regimen they go by, and that strict regimen, those do's and don'ts that they apply in their life helped them to be structure that gives you structure organization

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discipline. Exactly. And this is one of the things that I mean, I'm seeing it's like you just said it's a blessing. There's not too many. It's not something it's it's like being in the dark and you're trying to find your keys and it's like your loss. I can imagine without Islam. I mean, imagine me imagine saying God's law is a curse. Imagine saying the law of God is occurs. A mess, so it's like God made a mistake. No, he made it he made a law for you to follow. But yeah, we made a mistake. So I messed up now we got off forgotten. You know, I can be tough. But really, if you look at it, what are there I mean, there's a few things that are prohibitive. What are you gonna fork

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alcohol and you even have the Candace Owens

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I've watched some stuff out there for many conservative Christians who are giving up alcohol because there's they're recognizing the direct Yeah, exactly. And what else there's pork maybe we can go into the tape burn in the brain and all the other negative you know health disasters and whatnot so anything that's often repeated God Almighty Allah loves us and whatever He prohibited whatever whatever is haram is harmful. Yeah, it's just letting us know as a favor. There's wisdom behind these laws. It's not just haphazard acts out of marriage. Just don't do that. No interest Heba. Right, exactly. This was also prohibited at the time, you know, with the, with the church, exactly,

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even the church, and they made a mistake by changing their laws. And that's why the Quran is sent to rectify that, but it you know, it's a favor, it's not a curse. And, and the, the Quran mentioned this, it's always a beautiful verse that gets me to think about things. Allah, the Creator says, that if you were to try, if you were to try to calculate, if you were trying to enumerate all the favors that God has bestowed upon mankind, you could never calculate it. Imagine that, with all the technology and machines we have, we put all the calculators Together, we create this massive calculator machine to calculate all the favors. You can't even put all of that together and

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calculate the favors that God has bestowed upon man. And you turn around. And your response to his favorite is to say that his law is a curse, when there's wisdom behind what he's revealed to mankind. It's just completely backwards. Old problem, hummus, awesome. He didn't fail. This guy. Actually, with all due respect, he failed. With all due respect, that guy failed. But all due respect to him. He failed. Yeah, so a lot, too. I think we have packaged most of it a few more things. Let's jump back on Piers Morgan. What did he say about the Muslim women and the hijab? Unbelievable. So Eddie, for people who haven't seen it, and maybe we'll put the clip up and people

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can do their own research, but he he was talking to a Muslim doctor who is on his program, and they were talking about different things. And the Muslim doctor at one point asked him, Why do you think so many women in the West are accepting Islam are becoming Muslims? Because Eddie, some of the viewers don't know. I'm, you know, I'm a convert to Islam. I'm gonna revert to Islam. But I'm a male. Actually, the majority of converts are reverse to Islam, from Christianity and other religions in the West, are actually women. More women are becoming Muslim in the west than men. So the doctor asked him, hey, Pierce, why do you think that is? Now piers Morgan's knee jerk reaction was? Can you

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believe this? Eddie, what he said? He said, Why? Because they want to become oppressed.

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Why? Because and then he didn't say it just once. He repeated it a second time. So it wasn't all. It just came out wrong. You know, Freudian slip, they say, right. He repeated it again a second time. Why? Because they want to become oppressed. What's the message there? He's conflating Islam, submission to the Creator. With what oppression of women. You can't be a Muslim woman, a woman and or want to be accept Islam and become a Muslim woman unless you want to be oppressed. That's the message he's trying to give to his viewers. And people called him out for that for Islamophobic rhetoric. They said, This is unfair. Why are you why are you conflating Islam? With oppression of

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women, you're trying to say that women in the West only because become Muslim, because they want to become oppressed. It's nothing to do with any of the other stuff. We talked about worshipping the one and only true creator, believing in all the prophets, in their message following the laws that the Creator have given. Oh, that's not why they become Muslim. They become Muslim in the West, because they want to become oppressed, really, Piers Morgan, that's the message you want to give to your viewers. And you want to seem like your objective. Like you're sympathetic to the Muslims in the and the Palestinian cause. I'm sorry, sir. With all due respect, no, we had to call you out and

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a hashtag Eddie was actually created because of this. There was, you know, backlash that he received on Twitter or what's known as x now, Elon Musk's platform, the hashtag boycott Piers Morgan, because so, so many Muslims, especially Muslim women, were appalled by what Piers Morgan said, you are taking away from their journey to Islam by saying they only accepted Islam because they wanted to be oppressed. Really? Seriously. That's what you think. So it's just crazy and honestly is really disappointing to hear that from Piers Morgan.

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Am I shocked? Eddie all the respect honestly, no, because we've seen other statements from him. But it's really unfortunate and and he has a huge platform. So it's good that we got a chance here to speak about it and correct this. This was I was thinking, I mean, let me know what your thoughts on I was thinking like I was trying to figure out okay, where is he coming from? Like, what's he up to? and whatnot, and I was trying to analyze and I thought, like, okay, can it be that because his boss is who he is right there? Rupert Murdoch, right. Yeah. So it was also the who also funds Fox News in the US funds, talk TV, the same station that I was on with James Well, exactly. So is this Is it

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possible that because he, he sat with the comedian, was his name boss, so he so he sat with Boss, our brother Mohammed job.

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And Norman Finkelstein, the list goes on. He's brought on so many people he load all these people. He's brought on so many people to go ahead and communicate the the side our side, the Palestinian side of truth here. Injustice Exactly. Is this his way? Because if he was just to come out, bold, you know, boldly and really, because anyone who sits and listens to the I don't think anyone has a heart has any part of humanity left in them can go ahead and not see these blatant and justices that are happening. I mean, what is it 700,000

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settlers that are moving over Imagine if you had the migrants here that are coming over and they stare like, never talked about build the wall, they're so concerned about immigrants coming from from the southern border, and you know, Mexico and stuff, right, but yet they don't have a problem when it's with the Palestinian imagine. So imagine right now, if somebody's conservatives here are just like, okay, they had to deal with people from who are coming over taking their homes. So this is what's happening over there. Exactly. So I was thinking I was like, Okay, is it possible that he's just, he's at least letting letting the truth come out from this way, and then challenging it a

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little bit to kind of so he don't from the higher ups?

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I mean, what do you think it is? You know, God knows best. Allah knows best, as we say, Yeah, but I'm seriously, Eddie, I think. I think it was more of a Freudian slip. They say, I don't know if you heard this terminology where, you know, deep down, honestly, I think he's thinking like that. And that's really unfortunate. No, I'm talking about I understand this part with the job. I'm talking about from from the, from the other topic with Palestine, from humanity person. Yes. Yeah. I think,

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you know, I think he may be, he may be partial to the Palestinian cause. I think he does. You know, recently, and this is something I pointed out. Actually, I didn't get a chance to point it out. So I mentioned it here. Yeah. If you go back and watch closely, Eddie, when he had Norman Finkelstein on and I recommend that people watch it because Norman Finkelstein gave a great presentation very good. In his discussion with Alan Dershowitz was a Zinus lawyer from the US. And with all due respect, completely destroyed the guy. But anyway, people go watch and judge for himself when he was on the program. If you watch closely, Eddie, and this is important. Towards the end of the program, Piers

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Morgan actually called Gaza occupied. He said, the occupation of Gaza over the past 75 years has been terrible. And I disagree with you, Alan Dershowitz about the blockade being a good thing. The blockade is not a good thing. And the occupation of Gaza over the past 75 years has been terrible. So, you know, God knows best what his intentions are. It's kind of difficult to say because on the one hand, he makes these kind of Islamophobic comments, on the other hand, now, all of a sudden, and that notice this happened, this thing when he mentioned that with Norman Finkelstein was after he said that, so now was he only calling it occupation because he received backlash? Does he genuine

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feel, genuinely feel that way? Piers Morgan, if you're watching this next time you go on the program, brother blink twice. So you know, if you ever tried to give us a message and blink twice, you know, we'll call for help. I don't know. And we weren't. I mean, I mean, you could probably agree we want the best for him. Of course. Yeah. We don't want him to be a hater of Islam. Yeah. I mean, we wanted to be guided to Islam. Exactly. It didn't entertain invited to Islam. Yeah, exactly. He said, Look, we want you to come to Islam. Yeah. And agitate he Yeah, he's slowing it down. Yeah. And then I think

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it abruptly came to an end. He was

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he's like, Okay, we got to cut. Yeah. Last thing I want to touch on. I think this is extremely important. I think this is extremely important for people who don't know about this topic. I had recently a senior pastor on

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He was with, I think CNN CBN. And all these Pastor Rick, and he did a great job of explaining, and you know much of this, and many people don't. And I think it's important because you have a lot of Christians who preach love your neighbor and those verses from from that we agree with, you know, Jesus, Prince of Peace and but then you have these innocent babies be massacred right in front of us. And they're silent. And probably because they feel like that this is a part of their faith. It's a credo thing now, because these push prophecies, whoever blesses these is we bless whoever Kirsti because and it goes back to the pastor and asked them How Can Christians support this not all but

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some in the US. And he said, this is because of the con man, Schofield, Cyrus and he took it back to John Nelson Darby, let's touch upon this is extremely important, because when we unpackaged, as we see like this was put together by con men, and this is Zionist propaganda, in the footnotes interpreting these misinterpretations of this, so it's actually not a part of Christianity for the first 1800 years. It has nothing to do with Christianity. You can many Christians, also, I think you have shared some things with you on the show. Yeah, this is very important. So Christians, the mass can come off, you know, the unprogrammed it'd be like, I don't have to support this is not a part of

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my Christianity. No, it's not. And especially the Catholic sati. Historically, the Catholic Church. And unfortunately, Islam as in, it's mentioned in the Quran, we are a middle nation. Yeah, we're in the middle, we're in a we're middle nation. We're a balanced nation. Previously, unfortunately, prior to this American Zionist stuff that they have now, the Christian church was actually the opposite. They were sort of anti semitic, almost in a way. They were very against the Jews, because they believed that the Jews were responsible for killing their God. They used to call the Jews God killers. Really, this is what they believe. So this is not this. They would call them Christ.

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Exactly. God, could you guys are responsible for God. And it goes back to this passage in the book of Matthew, where basically he says, the blood the blood is going to be on our our children's hands, right? And so it's basically this passed down thing. And so, you know, it's weird. How do we get to this way? What how did the Christian nation go from almost anti semitism, anti Zionism, to now complete? Not all of them because you've had pastors on your program I've showed you Christians who are against this stuff who No, this is not historic Christian position. Calling this out now. But why are so many Christians been duped by this? Where did this come from? Well, John Nelson Darby,

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couple 100 years ago, we know the guy was a con man, just given a short story.

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basically came up with this strange doctrine. He had this idea of, you know, when the Messiah comes back, it's going to be in Jerusalem, and the Jews have to be there and his whole long story and everything. And then from John Nelson Darby, eventually, we had this guy called Schofield Schofield, he was

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known as a con man who was responsible for he created his own Bible, not that he made up his own verses. But what he did was cleverly just like Muslims who are watching may be familiar with tafsir, what's called exegesis of verses of the Quran. He put in his own exegesis all throughout the pages of his Bible, in which he was interpreted in a way that was going towards this Zionist moving, oh, the Jews need to be in Jerusalem in order for the Messiah to come back and all this jazz about the peace. Some people have seen about the red heifers, these cows, what is all this stuff about all of this he put in in his Scofield Bible, and people don't take my word for it. Don't take Eddie's word

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for it, do your own research. There are Christians pastors that are admitting this Edie that this was never the Christian position. And they're calling Cyrus Schofield out for being a fraud, for being a crook, that this is what he did. He created his own Bible and injected it in there. And then from there, he had basically millions of copies dispersed first in widely in the churches for free, of course, because part of the Zionist project to influence people because we know Edie, people don't come up with their ideas out of nowhere, right? It's a lot of propaganda through this, you know, fake type of education or nowadays media propaganda, but back then they put it in books. They

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put it in all the churches, all the Scofield, Bibles released it for free, and all these churches, and then after that, they moved on to academia, to having a taught in the universities in all the prestigious universities and colleges, especially in the US to influence young people to believe in this thing, all the way up until now.

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You know modern times where they made movies about the late great behind or whatever it's called and all this kind of stuff. You know, it's just they had the Late Great Planet Earth really? Hey, Lindsay there's so like 40 million copies. Yeah, exactly all this big time exactly, to push it out to do media through movies and, and now a lot of people have been duped but in on now, with the advent of social media and the internet, people have more information accessible to them. It's sort of a double edged sword because there's a lot of misinformation spread. But on the other hand, a lot of Christians are waking up to the fact when pastors are speaking up about this, look, you can be a

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Christian and not being a Zionist, be a Zionist, you don't have to blindly support the State of Israel and whatever they do, and what Netanyahu and their government say, and whatever the IDF, this isn't your religion, this isn't your religion, that you must be as a Christian Zionist, and they're calling this stuff out. And we need to highlight this and expose this to a larger audience here. Here's one example. Jesus will come back twice, they say, Yeah, according to this, you have this concept of the rapture, that it's not in this is nowhere in Yeah, but this is not in the Bible. Jesus will remove Krishna or take them to heaven. Yeah. And then there'll be seven years of

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Tribulation, then yeah, the Antichrist will attack Jews and Israel. And then Jesus will come back and save the Jews design this. It's so it's a pretty much it's a Zionist is doctrine, which took over the Christian churches in America. So this has nothing according to Christian scholars, and people who are experts in this area who are coming out. This has nothing to do with the teachings biblical prophecies, and they're saying it exactly as we said it, Edie days are not our own words, Derek, the Christians are telling us, Dave told us experts who've done the research, they said, look, the narrative that I just gave, Eddie and Jake didn't come up with this right, Eddie, we

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didn't do it. He's one of the leading the leading Christian James, why James, Dr. James was James White. He even called out a fellow Christian, Dr. Michael Brown, who's this Jews for Jesus kind of guy. He called him out. And he said, Look, with all due respect, Michael, I see as a friend, but you can't show me anything where you're saying, actually in the Bible, and our challenge is nowhere in the Bible. This is this is Darby ism, this is Schofield ism. This is not genuine Christianity. This is not traditional Christianity that was taught throughout the first 2000 years of the church, or, you know, a little less than 2000 years of the church. And so it's really unfortunately, a lot of

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people have been duped, Eddie. But, you know, I'm glad that we have this platform and other platforms where we're bringing on pastors to speak about this and they're speaking out on their own to set to let you know, like Christians wake up, you don't need to buy into this Israeli propaganda and what they're pushing in some of these churches. This is not your what we would call Aki, that this is not a fundamental belief in their faith, to believe in this kind of stuff. There's no rapture and Jesus coming back twice and all this kind of stuff. They created movies about this Eddy, they made money off of it. And now they're pushing for power, and unfortunately, genocide against

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the Palestinian people. And we need the Christians to see this and wake up to say, you know, we're not asking of course, we want them to be guided to Islam, but at the very least, wake up and stop buying into this foolishness. Thank you. We covered a lot humbly now it's good to see you again. Appreciate it. I'm glad you guys had me on and it's a blessing and I look forward to doing it again sometime. closing words and comments for the person that's tuning in for the first time he likes his message of pure monotheism and we talked about he didn't know that Muslims love Jesus who say peace be upon them and many things doubts are cleared up they're seeing also now the the blatant hypocrisy

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is happening you know with many of the politicians and they're not stepping out to stop

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the slogan is never again but that exclude the Palestinians. So just in a nutshell, what would you give for the for the person who's out there? You'd like what we had to say? What advice would you give them? You're also a former Christian. What would you say closing words comments? My recommendation would be if you haven't already pick up a Quran I think Eddie can plug it at the end. There's a place where we can ship you a free Quran from here and there plenty of organizations doing this. You can read the Quran online as well for free. I recommend if people are sincere, sincerely consider Islam. Consider.

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Consider sincerely reading the Quran for yourself speaking to actual genuine Muslims in your community, go to a local mosque. Speak to the local Muslim community in your area. Be around Muslims. See how they behave, see how they treat other people see how they interact with you is

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Every bit all Muslims out to get you and do we want to just, you know cause violence in the land and do all this bad stuff. See it for yourself. Don't get it from Fox News and all these different programs. Go to your local Muslim community, speak to them, see how they treat you. Get a copy of the Quran, read it with an open mind and an open heart and ask the Creator of the heavens and earth to guide you to the truth, to guide you to the truth and see where it leads you. Right Do your own research. I'm not saying except Islam now No, no. Do your own research. Sincerely consider Islam. Read the Quran for yourself. Ask for guidance from the one and only true Creator. Allah subhanaw

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taala the Most High who why by the way, which we didn't mention Allah, it just means the God in from Arabic We don't believe that it's your MC. Yeah, it's not a different god. It's not an Arabic God or anything like that. Right? So it's perfectly fine to say God and English and really just sincerely think about it. Consider Islam. Read the Quran for yourself, open your mind and your heart and Ask and pray for guidance. And we hope that Allah will the Creator of the heavens and earth will guide you to the one and only true faith Islam submission to Him Jake, the Muslim metaphysician, thank you for sharing that with us and very simple homework ask the creator the heavens and earth alone for

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guidance. And if you'd like to see more of what we've been talking about, we mentioned the karate you can get it for free at the deen show.com. Until next time, peace be with you as salam aleikum. I'm sure all of you know Eddie from the deen show. And I'm sure that you've all heard about the deen center. Now you don't want to miss out on this opportunity. The brother has been around for a long time. When I became Muslim. That was a show that I used to watch. It was one of the shows that I actually was interviewed on. And since then I've kept in touch with Edie and we've cooperate and participate in many things together. hamdulillah by the blessing of Allah, now you guys have to do

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