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Bismillah Alhamdulillah Salam Alaikum peace be unto you. And we're continuing this week on the deen show, with Abdullah Hakim quick, his story on how he came to Islam, former Christian, who investigated all the different world religions and he come came to know that this way of life was indeed, not a system organized by men, but organized by the one God, the God of Jesus, Abraham, Moses and the last in front of Mr. Sandman kind of problem on the peace be upon him. And he's here again to share his experiences and his story here on the D show. Don't go nowhere.
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Salam Alaikum. Peace be with you isn't as a greeting of all the messengers. That's right. All the messages they didn't use. They didn't just greet each other like, Hey, what's up? How you doing? They did this greeting that us Muslims are doing, isn't it? That's right. Yeah. They started their affairs in peace in peace, where people are peace. That's right on war. But it seems like there's a lot of misconceptions, we're gonna we're gonna maybe pick your brain on that too. But can you please, people can go to the D show.com. For those that missed last week's show, they can go there to view it. Now can you kind of bring people up to speed and kind of summarize where we left off,
and to where we are starting today. smilla Rahmanir Rahim.
I was raised in the United States and Boston. And you know, to a very religious family, hard working family. And so I had good values from the beginning. And I was fortunate to be in the company of students from major universities. Although we lived in a housing project, we were in between two major universities. So I had access to information. So I was learning st life and how to be tough and rough. But at the same time, I was learning information about the world. So that really was an opening for me. And that that enabled me to question some of the wrong practices within the world I found within the church, to leave the church and to begin to look at world religions. I went to
university in Pennsylvania and Oregon.
I was upset, you know, with the system, it was the 60s. And we were questioning everything around us. So I left the university and I was drafted.
And in order to avoid this confusion, I became a war resistor. And I migrated to Canada. And it wasn't Toronto, Canada, all praises due to a lock that I accepted Islam at the hands of a great scholar, Dr. Muhammad Sokka. So with that, you know, my answer was, was was was completed now I found a way of life. That gave me a worldview. It gave me a lifestyle, how to raise my family how to deal with my children, it gave me a dietary plan. It connected me with people of other races, other nationalities. And so there I was now in Canada, you know, looking at the world all set and waiting for an opening. And, you know, by the mercy of Allah subhanaw taala created the heavens and the
earth, the Saudi Arabian government offered two scholarships to Canada, to the Canadian Muslim Canada community in 1973. So I was one of the two who was given the scholarship and I went to Medina. So as a young man with my wife, who I had married, she was a Muslim too. And we went to Medina in 1973. Now this was when Medina was in the old form, didn't have no tie roads.
We lived in a simple house with no running water. My wife was originally from Jamaica, but raised in Canada, so she knew how to live a rough life. So we lived with the Bedouins and we learned classical Arabic. And it was Medina was beautiful and you know it was the old Medina before the hustle and bustle now that you find, you know with the skyscrapers, and so in that atmosphere
We took in, you know, the knowledge of Islam Alhamdulillah It was a great struggle. But I was the first American to graduate from any university in Saudi Arabia, first American, the first American Mashallah not the first American to graduate from that prestigious university and the deen show. Yeah, Mashallah. So, so that was a great achievement, you know, for me, and from there, you know, I became very close to a very famous chef.
Chuck Abdulaziz bin bass, Rahim Allah and he was a very kind person, he had memorized the whole of Bacardi adits sayings of the Prophet peace be upon him. He was very kind, and he wanted to know about Islam in America. So when I graduated, he said, I want to meet this person. You know, I want to talk to him. Yeah. So I sat with him. And you know, he befriended me. And so he said, I want you to research America. So he gave me an open ticket
to research Muslims in the Americas. It was a ticket, like this size. And so I traveled literally, throughout the Caribbean. I traveled to Belize, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama, Aruba, Guyana, Trinidad, Jamaica, Bermuda, you know, Bahamas, all throughout the region, investigating Muslim communities to give an idea report about what is the state of Islam in the in this region. And from there, I went to California and taught for a year and then I returned back to Toronto. And then I went into the Caribbean. And I lived in Jamaica for four years. So I taught in Jamaica and moved around the islands
and spend some beautiful years in the Caribbean region, returned to Toronto, where I was the mom of the big Mosque, the Jami mosque from 1985 to 1990.
And it is there I my research, blossomed, because not only was I the Imam of the mosque, I enrolled in the University at the same time, and I got a Master's from the University of Toronto and history department. And then I got a PhD from the University of Toronto. And that was based on the research I did in northern Nigeria. So now I'm traveling, the Muslims in Nigeria, invite me to a big conference, Islam and Africa, because they wanted to know about the roots of Muslims in the Americas. And they heard about my research and writing. So they invited me there. And so from there, I met the scholars of West Africa.
And, you know, I brought back documents of a famous chef with Mandarin folio, a great scholar in the 19th 18th century, there and I had 37 original documents in Arabic language. So I translated these documents, commented on them got a PhD. And then I began to travel around the world. And so I was I was invited to China, Malaysia, to Europe, to South America, to Brazil, to many parts of the world to deliver lectures about Islam in America, and, you know, youth type of lectures, because the globalization was happening. So people in the third world, the Muslim world, they want to know, how do we deal with our youth in this new American
onslaught, this globalization, you know, McDonald's is everywhere, Kentucky Fried Chicken is everywhere. How do we handle this, so now, you know, just by the will of Allah, I happen to be in the right place at the right time, you know, I'm an American, and I'm, you know, qualified in Islamic Studies.
And working with the youth, you know, so I can provide answers to them on the ground, how to deal with some of your problems, your family problems, your use problems. And so people invited me and so this is what enabled me to travel, you know, so far, because it's not easy to travel in the world, you know, with the prices of plane tickets and whatnot. So Alhamdulillah I was able to visit 58 countries, you know, interacting with Muslims, you know, at the same time researching any country, I go into I research, I find the roots of the people you know, I asked them their questions, I record this information, or I document the information, you know, and then I put it in categories and then
I, I get my worldview expands, you know, so this enabled me, you know, to to to reach new heights, in terms of understanding Islam, not only in America, but Islam in the world. We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back with more. God one.
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Whether Muslims are not good citizens, the Constitution defines what a good citizen is. In the preamble, it says, We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility to the most. And I can say that as a good Muslim. And most Muslims can say that Muslims have to embrace that most persons are good Americans.
We're back with Dr. Abdullah Hakim, quick share. Thank you again for being with us. I'm very exciting. Now tell us before we go on just a side note, for the non Muslims out there, they're hearing Islam, how do you connect all of this, the prophets and then you got what is with
in their very nature, we say worship the one God and this is what from the beginning of your story. You didn't want to worship? The creation, you didn't want to worship a man, you want to worship, the creator of all that exists. But then they hear this word Islam. Yeah, they agree with this. Yeah, I want to worship God, just God. That's it, not his creation. But how Islam they hear this Arabic term. They think, well, this is an Arab thing. We respond to this. But what is important for us to understand is that when we talk about Islam, we are talking about the root religion of all of the prophets. And the Quran itself tells us in the chapter of the bee, that prophets and messengers have
been sent to all nations and all tribes, that they should worship one God, and stay away from false deities. So prophets came to China to India to Europe, to the Americas, every nation had a person who taught them believe in one God, and do not worship the sun, or idols or worship yourself, but go beyond that, and connect to the universe. And so that really, you know, is what Islam is. And when I researched in the Arabic language, you know, into the sayings of the scholars, I found out that that it is a majority position amongst the scholars, that if a person has never heard anything about Islam, or Christianity or Judaism, no, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, nobody, and that person believes in
one God, and lives a good life, then that person is under the mercy of Allah, he can be punished, or he can be forgiven. And basically, that person is Muslim, because every human being is born in the natural state of worshipping the Creator. So there are certain tribes now in the Amazon valley of Amazon river, they have met nobody, they don't know any prophets. They don't have any organized form of religion. And these people, as far as we are concerned, are Muslims, until they are proven the opposite. Because they worship the Great Spirit. And this is found within their languages. I found the same thing on the African continent. Every African language has a concept of God. I went into
the British Isles, I went high up into Scotland. And I found out that after the time of Jesus peace be upon him, that there was a person who came in the area who taught the people to believe in one God pure monotheism, pure monotheism, about Holy, Holy Spirit, Father, Son, Holy Ghost, this is before that that was the organized Roman Church. Yeah, this had nothing to do not teachings of the Prophet. So if you look around in Europe itself, you will find pure monotheistic teachings, just one guy Unitarians and the original set, nothing to do with any mixing guide into you know, these three in one none of these, no, these are the original Unitarians in Europe itself. It was the organized
Roman Church, the trinitarians you know, who who forced, you know, this, what we would consider to be a pagan belief of the many gods from Greece and Rome basis. You know, they forced that on, you know, the native people in Europe itself, as well as other parts of the world. And so it's interesting for me in Chinese, the Chinese say Shang, Shang T and Shang T is the one God one guy that's the creator of the headstock there you don't add anything up just one right so that's that's the the cosmic spirits and you see him you go into church and you see him like God that Jesus is black with blue eyes over here. He's Hey, Zeus, you know, brown, not really white, no image to God,
no, no area code, zip code, no DNA. That's right. None of that. And the same thing in Africa, I found as a nation call the band twos, and the band two is from the word n two. And n two is the cosmic spirit. That's the Creator. So the band two are the children of God, the children of the cosmic spirit, you know of the Creator of the heavens and the earth. And so you'll find that every African language, a way to express one God, you'll find even in the ancient Vedas of India, the original Sanskrit writings, you will not supposed to worship idols. Yeah, you will look at Buddha himself. He left the idols he is looking for the one God. So if you go behind the great religions of
the world, what's his name?
His name is Buddha Buddha. Yeah, okay. And he was going out looking for the he was a prince and he a Hindu Prince, and he didn't want to worship idols anymore. He was tired of living this life. So he left his riches. He left idol worship in search of the Great Spirit. Yeah, unfortunately, now he's his image is the biggest idol in the world. People are like, giving him divine rights. Yeah, but that's people that's not Buddha himself. Same thing with Can you connect it with Jesus did the same as they call people to worship himself, never, and is recorded that the Jesus peace be upon him, was a very humble person, you know, who walked most of the time without shoes on very simple and very
loving. And he followed the law of Moses completely. And that has nothing to do with any Trinity concept or other gods, but it is it is a pure belief in Yahweh in the Creator of the heavens in the earth. And that was his belief. And so you'll find this in the root religions, in the in the indigenous people of all nations, including Europe, you will find this tawheed and that is the unity. And so this is what I have found over the years traveling to different parts of the world, studying history, studying history, studying culture, studying people that really behind the so called differences within people, you know, there is a human spirit, there is a soul, there is a
connection with the Creator, which is common amongst all people. Now tell us, someone might fall out their seat right now. And this is something that might come as a shock. But is this what I'm saying? The truth? A we love Jesus peace be upon him. And Jesus was a Muslim. Is this true? That's right, because I mean, what I found from after I left the church is that when I entered into Islam, it really gave me the true story of Jesus, the true story of Mary. And so my love for Jesus increased. My love for Mary increased peace be upon them. But I now was, was connected to the actual story in the way it happened. Because Jesus never wanted people to worship Him. He always pointed to the
Father, meaning the Creator of the heavens and the earth. And so we understand what the word father means in Semitic languages. It's not your physical Father, we're all children of God. So it is the Creator of the heavens in the earth. This is like metaphorical. Exactly. So this is really what he was pointing to now, you know, you know, speaking Arabic, which is the sister language of Hebrew, you say Salaam Alaikum. And we say Assalamu alaykum. So it's the sister languages now, I was in touch with revelation. Yeah. And so I could go straight to the book, I could listen to, you know, to the words of the Prophet Muhammad so seldom, in the original language itself. I lived in the city.
So now, I realize this is not a ritualistic religion, this is not Arabs, and non Arabs. This is the religion of all people. This is all racist. So he was by definition, a Muslim, because what is a Muslim other than what you're describing one who is just connecting with the one guy? Exactly. So this is the route definition now, that one who submits to do the will of Allah or God, this is a Muslim. So that's what Moses did.
Abraham, Noah, Jesus Christ, peace be upon them all. They did that so they were Muslim. That's right. Amazing. And we also found out that there are people like in ancient Egypt,
whose wife was Nefertiti, many people, many people know Nefertiti, that have not been, you know, challenged to the Gods of Egypt. And in some reports, he was not worshipping the sun god, he wanted to worship the power behind the sun. And he challenged Egypt just before the time of Moses. And so you will find that there this this this, you know, these teachings amongst the Cherokee Nation Sequoia, there's a famous teacher in amongst the Cherokee. He was the first person amongst the Cherokee Nation in America to institute an alphabet. He created the alphabet of the Cherokee. If you look at a picture of Sequoia, he's got a turban on like mine, and he's got a job.
And you read the Cherokee writings and you will find a strong belief in one God, that they are looking to the east, you know, and that they are believers, the Seminole nation in Florida, you will find Seminoles was a mixture of of many people who fled from the Spanish, you know, settlers, you know, and the natives. They ran together and they formed this nation. If you look at pictures of the Seminoles, they have turbans on like Mayan, and they have dopes and some of them have even names with Arabic in it. So So really, Islam was here in America as well, not only from the root religion of the first nation, indigenous people, but Muslims who had come across as well here in America here
in America. And that's a that's a research that I did in my book called deeper roots. You know, where we found present roots is the book he wrote on this right
deeper roots to show presence of Muslims in America before Columbus before Columbus. That's right, you got proof for this proof of it.
And then how they actually mixed with the native people in the Americas long before the 13 colonies were developed Muslims in America, Islam in America way before Christopher Columbus is right. And you're here to hear at a deep show, we'll be right back.
Emphasizing and ascertaining the oneness of God, recognizing that there is a creator, and that creator has given us the blueprint that you have spoken about.
Don't take anything for granted. Don't just follow anything blindly. Anything you believe, research it, really understand what it is you're believing and questioning things and question them and search truthfully and honestly.
Back here with Dr. Abdullah Hakim, quick here on the deen show, talking about how he came to Islam and his wonderful experiences from going to being a Christian, a young man who is aspiring to learn the truth and then coming to the truth, and now aspiring to great heights and Islamic scholar, historian, one who's really embedded in growth and seeking knowledge. Tell us now someone comes and says, You know what, okay, yeah, I believe in God, God, a new God in me, God's everywhere. It's all good. We're all gods. How would you just aside? No, how would you tackle this question? And have you come across this? Yes. I mean, one time I was, you know, having an interaction with people, you
know, about Islam and a tough guy come to me and he said, I'm God. And he went right up in my face. Okay, now, I have a background from the streets, right? So I mean, you know, I'm a nice Muslim preacher. So he come up to me, and he said, I'm God. I said, Okay, God, put your hand in front of your face. So he put his hand in front of his face is at home right now. Right? Put your hand and I put my fingers in back of his hand. Yeah. And I said, count how many fingers? I have? Of course, he couldn't see it. Just like I said, Okay. Your God, man. And you can't see right there. Uh, huh. What kind of god are you? Yeah. So he just put his head down and walked away. Because what what I was
trying to show him is that when you say God, you are talking about one who is divine, in all qualities, you're talking about the one who sees all things and knows all things. And he is all things, you know, above Seven Habits is not me and you. We're earthly people, we have problems. And obviously, you can see it all things you can't, you can't even see in front of his face. So what kind of a god is he right? You know, so I mean, that's how you have to deal with some silly stuff, you know, and people have to, you know, realize that that revelation, that prophecy, you know, that God, this is a very serious thing, because we're connected to the hereafter. Yeah, we're not only in
this world, we're on a journey. And shortly we'll be leaving this world. So what will be the condition of our soul? Where will we go? So we need to really, you know, search this and really, you know, you know, come to grips with with our frail existence, and prepare ourselves for the next life. Definitely, definitely. And this is what all the messages have got taught, didn't they? That's right. So tell us now a few more points we want to get them in another person is loving what you have to say, but you're like, you know what, I'm just, I believe in God, but I'll do my own thing. I don't want to really follow an organized religion, I do believe in the one guy but I just, I'm
comfortable doing my own thing, as well, you know, it's the same as a person who's a pretty good mechanic, you know, and then we bring him a new Lamborghini. And this Lamborghini needs to be put together. So he's a mechanic, he has a pretty good idea of gas. So he'll try to put it together and he'll stay in the world, this is a new vehicle. But now I can bring you the instruction manual for the Lamborghini, you know, made by the company who develop the car. Okay, so similarly, with the human being revelation, it's not saying we don't have intelligence, but this is the creator of the human being, who knows better, why we are created how we are created. So he's giving us a lifestyle
in order like a manual in order that we can you know, run our machine in the proper way. So in the same way that that mechanical uses, you know, the the, the the manual for the Lamborghini, he will be successful, he will have his car running with the other guy, you know, he might do okay, but he'll never reach the speed. You'll never make the ultimate success of the one who follows the manual. So we say the final testament and the final manual, that is the core end, and we should be reading this Quran every human being, you should know what it is, you should read it and you should investigate the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, his lifestyle, his teachings, because this is
the way that we will be led from this confusion of the world we are living in into the openness and purity of the hereafter. Tell us shake just a couple more points.
Tell us now, so many wonderful things. When people are sincere, humble hearted, open minded, they look. And they see, you know Islam as a way of life of peace, peace with the greater peace with yourself, and then peace with the rest of society. But now, okay, they want to go with what's in their very nature to worship the one God and do all the good things as he's told us to do. But they always hear from the media, Islam being associated with terrorism, things blowing up. And now they're a little timid, they're a little nervous, they're sincere, but they're like, I don't I don't want to be called a terrorist. Would you guys say? Well, what is important to understand is that we
need to look beyond terminologies. Because if you look at the the, the American colonies, if you look at America, when it was first founded, the people who who who declared independence, when the constitution was first developed, they were called terrorists. And the British were intent upon destroying, you know, the the leadership of America and ruining this in this country. But even though they were called terrorists, they continued on because of the principles that they were founding. So similarly, you know, with Muslims, yes, we do have extremists in the Muslim world, like any other nation, there are extremists amongst Christians, Jews, communists, atheists, every
grouping has extremists. But but the faith itself, you look at the principles, you know, and that's really, you know, where we stand on and we know, my experience was not originally is not a political one, it first benefits me as a person. So look at Islam for yourself, your connection with the Creator, your family, your diet, the way that you function in this world, you're inside your worldview, and then you can start to expand, you know, to the other areas. And when we get into the, you know, the realm of the world, we will see that it's not politics and the world is Polly tricks, that really, there's a lot of tricking going on and confusion in the world. And and sometimes we
have to sort of get away from that, and go back to basics. Yes, you know, to the basics of ourselves as human beings, you know, and our, in our connection with God, because we will shortly leaving this world, and that really is what Islam, you know, can give, you know, to the individual. And we can only pray that the world will find some way to develop peace, that all nations can live together. And people can find a way of using the technology not to destroy, but to save the planet. One more on this one more. And this is important point. We've done programs on this, and we've condemned other scholars who have condemned it. But it seems like people keep throwing this back. And they
keep revisiting this. And they keep throwing, those are the guys 911, Islam and Muslims and now creating this decision. lism What do we have to say about this? If they come up to you, and they throw this in your face? How do we respond? Well, you know, we have to look at events in the world. For what is happening on the ground. I've been living in South Africa for the past 10 years. And the former President Nelson Mandela, at one point, he was called the terrorist. Yeah, because he was terrorizing the apartheid government. And, but once people realize what was happening, and and he was able to have the patience, you know, and the resistance, you know, to come out of the prison,
and then take over the country, he moved from being a terrorist to a world leader to a Nobel Peace Prize winner. Okay, so so these names are thrown, you know, back and forth. And, you know, there's a lot of things going on in the world. But the reality is that we need to look at affairs from all points of view, you cannot judge an issue from one side. That's the reason why I study the roots of history. You know, not as we call the we used to say history was his story. Yeah. So we look at it from not his story, but our story, the story of humanity. So if a person really wants to know about Islam, then Muslim they should go to Muslims, you know, and read about Islam. Instead of just
reading, you know, another source in the newspapers, they should go, you know, take it from the horse's mouth, as we say, go right to the source. So Islam has nothing to do with killing innocent women, children, nothing whatsoever. Exactly. It's very clear in the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, that even when he sent his soldiers out, in defense of the nation, he told them to not kill innocence, do not kill non combatants, he said, even said, do not destroy churches and synagogues. Do not kill monks. And rabbis, you know, do not destroy infrastructure, meaning don't poison the water, don't destroy trees, keep everything intact, because we are not
there to destroy. We're only defending ourselves. We're only establishing justice. And if the enemy asked for peace, give it to them immediately.
That is what is because Islam is based on peace. So it's a total distortion about what Muslims are. We don't say Assalamu alaykum means peace be upon you. It doesn't
Mi bomb be upon you, is peace be upon Peace be and this is what we're saying all the time. And people have to realize this when they're dealing with Muslims last closing comments and suggestions for the truth seekers those now because they were also those who were vengeance against Islam vilifying Islam, even at the time of the last the fundamental problem humpy upon, but somehow they ended up coming to Islam. So even those people and the sincere people talk to them, I'll give them some good advice to soften their heart, and maybe God Willing even to have them come to the truth live on the truth and die and the truth. Well, they need to remember that the times we are living in
now it's turbulent times. And with the change going on in the environment, the world that we know will never be the same. The floods that are hitting the world, the earthquakes, the famines, diseases, they are now being described as the worst calamities in living memory, the oil spill, you know, on the East Coast of the United States, and we all need to pray, you know, for some solution to this, this will be the worst disaster in our memory. And this is the age that we are going into now. So we need to drop these, you know, false, you know, superficial titles and names, and come together as a human family, and try to find ways that we connect with each other, as opposed to
finding divisions between each other, come together as a human family, deal with the environment, deal with nature, the animals are crying out, the bird, the birds are dying, the fish are dying, insects are being destroyed this world. We're all interconnected. This is what they call bio diversity. We were part of a grand plan. And we need to take our role, you know, as the representatives of God on this earth, and come together as a human family. And you will see, when you really touch Muslims, you will find that Muslims have a great role to play in this world, and in the future of this planet. Thank you, thank you for being with us. May God Almighty the Creator of
the heavens on Earth, Allah rewards you shall make you and let us come to a common terms between us and you that we worship none but the one God, the Creator of all that exists. The creator of Moses, Abraham, Jesus, the creator of the sun and the moon, the creator of everything that is in existence, that one God, and that's something that's in your very nature, you just gotta let it out. Don't suppress it. And you see, and you've heard it here in a deep show where people have peace. First, we have peace with the owner of peace, the Creator of the heavens and earth, He gives us peace. And then we wish you peace. Assalamu alaikum and we'll see you next time here on the deen show. Until
then, again, peace be unto you