Harsh Islamophobe becomes Muslim
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I used to be a harsh islamophobe but one time, I didn't know a lot about Islam other than the negative things that I had heard from other Islamic folks like and a lot of that was due to ignorance and fear of what I was told. You know all the other career politicians on there saying Islam hates us they want to kill us they want to they want to take our freedoms away and this and that and so, so are you. Are you ready to actually take your Shahada? No, I am let's do it
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Salam Alaikum greetings of peace. Welcome to The Dish remedy your host subscribe hit that notification bell so you don't miss exciting episodes like this one. My next guests went from being a harsh islamophobe listening to career Islamophobes people who are in the business of lying, spreading misinformation, misinformation, spreading this manufactured hate and his fear capitalizing on people's ignorance. But he said, You know what? There's got some something went off. And he said, There's got to be more to the story. There's got to be another side to the story. He looked into Islam, and now he's here with us. We're excited to have in mind John Patterson to share with us why
he went from being well why was he a islamophobe in the first place a harsh islamophobe and now he's on a D show to take his shahada to accept Islam. We'll be right back with John Patterson here on the deen show.
and His final messengers, Muhammad peace be upon him? This is our religion, Islam.
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I was ready to talk about this. I would only talk to you. I was explaining how much respect I have for the faith of Islam. Show. Welcome to the deen show. The Deen show.
I'm Alikum walaikum salam modificata. How you doing doc Seville and our friend John Patterson. Is that right? I can hear you, John. All right, any it's great to meet you for the first time. And Dr. Seville, it's good to meet with you again.
Yes, I do have quite the story for you.
So I hope you're ready for it. I hope we have plenty of time to cover all this. I told Dr. Seville that I'd like to come up to the studio. If we don't have enough time to talk about it all. I know. Zoom calls usually only lasts 45 minutes. But if we can cover all of this today, I'm more than happy to do it. All right here and now. Sounds good. Where are you coming in from? Where are you located? I live in Ohio around the area.
So tell us how we got to where we are here right now. Just fill us in with that. How did you get to actually calling Did you call the number did you we have you been watching some of the shows? And then what led you to actually calling up and now we're here talking? So listen? Well.
I used to be a harsh islamophobe at one time.
I didn't know a lot about Islam other than the negative things that I had heard from other Islamophobes like the SAM Simone's of the world, the Christian princes of the world and the David woods of the world and what have you. And that had formed a very negative image of Islam within me. And a lot of that was due to ignorance and fear of what I was told not what is what is actually in the Koran how Muslims actually live.
of how they treat other people. And so I guess I should go back to where
it all started around 911. Before then I didn't know anything about Islam, like most Americans don't. If you look at where we're geographically located, I think the closest Muslim majority nation is in Morocco, which is like 6000 miles away and across two separate oceans. But after 911 happened,
that's when it started to get my attention about Islam along with so many other people's attention about Islam in a negative way. And that was in part because you had politicians like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and you know, all the other career politicians on there saying Islam hates us, they want to kill us, they want to, they want to take our freedoms away, and this and that. And so I think that's when, when you see Islamophobia today,
and how bad it is, that is when it really started, was around 911. And then, of course, after the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, after we had pulled out of Iraq, and then you had the power vacuum, which led to the formation of ISIS,
new and all the terrible things that ISIS was doing,
to Muslims and the Christians and to anyone else, that threw gasoline, on the fire, with Islamophobia. And that's when you saw, just, in my opinion, when you saw these guys, these Islamophobic guys come up on the internet, and gain popularity and all of that they did so at a time when ISIS was really, really active. I mean, you had the terrible incidents, like
the beheading of certain reporters. And I mean, just I don't want to go into all the graphic things that ISIS did, I'm sure that you gentlemen know what they all did.
But that is when the career Islamophobes really started to gain popularity. And then, of course, you had 911 before that, but before these two, those two things happened, you didn't really
mean Islamophobia. I mean, it was it was a little active, but it wasn't as much as as it is today. And so, because of my fear of Islam, and things that had been taught to me about Islam, but not what I actually knew about Islam,
when you have somebody who doesn't know any better, and they hear these things, constantly by politicians and other Islamophobic actors, it creates a negative image of Islam based on fear and England's. And so I used to say a lot of terrible things about Islam, about the Prophet of Islam, about,
about Muslims, when I didn't really know who you were, I had an image of you, that was taught to me by other people I didn't know about the Prophet of Islam. And, and, for example, I didn't know that, for the first 13 years after he became a prophet, he suffered some of the most brutal persecution at the hands of the Quraysh. Before God finally gave him permission to defend himself. I mean, him and his companions had had suffered physical beatings, I mean, they were driven out of places that they had lived. And it wasn't until finally after 13 years that God gives him permission to defend himself and fight back. See, I didn't know that.
Basically, what I was taught about the Prophet was he was just this guy who, who got on his camel and picked up his swords with all of his companions, and they went around the desert, just killing Christians and Jews and this and that. And so that is what forms the negative image of Islam within me. But I remember when I was, when I was active against Islam, one of the things I used to
have in the back of my mind is, you know, maybe there's more to the story, maybe there's
maybe what I'm being taught isn't entirely accurate, maybe I'm being unjust. And, and so, finally, a few years back, I just decided to
just to take a break from politics and religion in general. And I decided to, you know, just
concentrate on my relationship with God. And so I decided to leave
If that path, and not the active on social media anymore in regards to this stuff now.
Now, as far as me being involved in that movement, nobody ever heard of me. But then again, I wasn't really active on YouTube, it was mostly on my Facebook account with a few friends of mine, here they are. I mean, I'm not excusing the, the attitude that I had, I just,
I wasn't really interested in making a business out of it, that some of these other people that are
in the Islamophobia business are and to be clear.
Islamophobia isn't business, you these people that are involved on these sites that are going after Islam. They're doing it for Patreon donations for views. They, they want Muslims to be angry, they want Muslims to be divided. They want acts of terrorism so that they can then turn around and take verses from the Koran, the Sunnah, and the Hadith, and then shotgun and on the internet to people who just don't know any better. That's that's the entire bill.
John Hamdulillah, I have a quick question to ask you. Right? We know where you stopped here. This middle monitoring?
You know, there are so many other faiths out there. There's so many religions out there. What made you to consider Islam I know that you woke up to Islam at 911? I guess, right, just like many other Americans. So why consider Islam? You know, you could have just taught, okay, fine. Islam is one more faith. But why look into it, and now today trying to commit to it?
That's a good question.
I think the first thing that comes to mind is
when you look at the Old Testament of the Bible, and the attributes, and dictates of God in the Old Testament, with how he governed a society with guidance he gave to the prophets, with the consistent message of worshiping one God, not two, not three, not not many gods. And then when, when I did get curious and read the Koran, I saw
huge similarities between the God of the Koran, and the God of the Old Testament of the Bible. And, and so that got me even more curious. You see, what a lot of the Islamophobes don't realize is, the more you go after Islam, it's going to get people curious about it, as it did with me. And so, so I started looking at the Old Testament, I started looking at the Quranic to see the similarities, then I took into account that there are so many different versions of Christianity, that to try to pick the right one is like playing the lottery. I mean, with my respect to
other Christians out there, I mean, I mean, so, and Jesus Himself said, in the New Testament of the Bible, that he would have one flock in one shepherd. So he made clear he was opposed to the idea of many different sects of Christianity and schools of thought about Christianity and, and denominations of Christianity. Jesus himself made that clear. He said, one flock and one shepherd. Then I also looked at
Jesus said in the New Testament,
He limited himself to that of a human like he, when he would say he have he himself, he can do nothing without God's approval. So how can Jesus be God? If he's saying he needs the approval of God to do something?
Other times when Jesus said,
When he told one of, and I forget the verse, excuse me for that, but he told one of his people that was asking a question, why do you call Me good? You know, no one is good, but God alone. And so
and so that really
made me start to question the things that I was taught about Christianity and who Jesus was. Then I also looked at the Council of Nicaea, which most Christians don't even know about the Council of Nicaea. They have no idea how there was a lot of books that were compiled to be put in the Bible that were rejected. And, as far as I know, we don't know what was in those books. We don't know what was said. There could have been conflicting reports about Jesus and His message.
And that were rejected at the Council of Nicaea. For whatever the reason. And so my question is why? Why were these books rejected? Why we're only Matt, Mark, Luke, and John, included in the New Testament of the Bible. And then of course, you had the Epistles from Paul. And then you had,
of course, you know, Peter, and, and the book of Acts and all of that, and that's fine. But why were these other books rejected? Right? So John, in the Council of Nicaea, you know, books could have been a matter of discussion. But mostly what happened in there it was monotheism was diluted, they equated Jesus along with God. So now they have a Binetti. There in the year 381 or so. That's when they included the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit. And that's how the Trinity was formulated. Right. So Council of Nicaea, was the illusion of monotheism.
And that's not the first time I've heard that. And so, so basically, that's three, almost 400 years after the death of Jesus was the Trinity. Was the Trinity actually formed? Yeah. And so. So again, that, that when, when you looked at the similarities of the Old Testament, nude, and in the Koran, with God's attributes, and the similarities there, and I want to take a minute to get back to the messenger, Muhammad, peace be upon him. And
when I found out that he, he was not involved in an act of violence until after 13 years of brutal persecution,
that really wanted me to look more into his life and to see exactly who this man actually was.
And I remember thinking that
assuming this man, was just this awful person that that so many Islamophobes say the WHY WOULD over a billion people follow him? I mean, are they all insane? Are they all crazy?
So that didn't make sense to me how, if this man was just a terrible person, how could all these people follow him? And so I got on YouTube one day, and I wanted to actually see what the Muslims have to say, about Muhammad peace be upon him. And so there's a YouTube video entitled The life of Muhammad by Yusuf Islam, it's about, certainly about an hour long, but it talks about how when he was born,
he was born in very harsh conditions, obviously, from being in the desert, he was an orphan. He lost both of his parents.
How he was called the most trustworthy person, by the people who knew him, and how
it was at the age of 40. So he had lived half of his life by the time he was given his first revelation.
and even after he was given the first revelation, he, you know, he was afraid he didn't know if, if he should continue going forth on this path. And so
what I'm getting at is he didn't wake up just one day and decide to throw off his life, the life that he had been living, and then take on this life of brutal persecution, and to try to continue to spread the message of one God. And, I mean, it's a beautiful presentation of his life. And then it talks about how
he was driven out of Mecca, and how he, how he had sought refuge first in a Christian town, I forget the name. They it's modern day, Ethiopia today. And all the times that he tried to make peace. All the times that he had tried to
just preach his religion peacefully, was met with hostility and violence. And so
when I look at all of that, along with the doubts that I had had about Christianity,
I think that's what finally
wanted me to accept Islam and to embrace Islam was was and then I look at how charitable Muslims are today. You're the most charitable people on the face of the earth.
Not even any other religion comes close when I look at your sense of community that you all have.
That's when I decided I wanted to,
to become a Muslim and to embrace the faith of Islam. When I found out who Muhammad really
was the person that he really was not what was told to me by other people who,
you know, for whatever the reason, just want to make a profit on the internet.
And when I was involved in that negative stuff, I didn't care about money, I was genuinely afraid, you know, I didn't care about making a profit and or any of that.
And so that's when I put aside all my biases about Islam, and I decided to contact doctors to deal. And I wish I would have originally taken my Shahada around two years ago doctors to be Oh, when I originally
had contacted you, at the time I see with my wife, when she found out I wanted to embrace Islam after being a harsh islamophobe for
for so long, it was quite a shock to her. And so it took me a while to actually show her the teachings of what Muhammad actually taught and what he stood for. So it took me a while to, to win her over. And while I wish, I still would have taken my Shahada, then now I feel I'm finally ready. And so now I tried to compact a lot, a lot of that into this presentation today, because I didn't know how much time you guys had. And, and, you know, there's so much more I wanted to address I've been talking with brothers Bo, I've been texting him about different
thoughts and ideas, I've had to expand the tower. Brothers to be able I saw your your, your video where you had said
25,000 People in America embrace the faith of Islam every year, and then you don't really hear from him that much after that. And I think I entered.
If I may, I think I have an idea on how we can,
on how we can stop that you see.
Most churches in America today, Once somebody becomes a part of their faith,
they're happy for him and all of that. But after they accept the faith, they're not really involved in
their lives anymore. I mean, they don't call them they don't check up on them. They don't invite them to go do things together. And so I see an opportunity for the Dow here in America today. When somebody embraces the faith of Islam, we need to bring them in as a part of the family, we look after them, we need to check up on them. And so
you're, as Muslims, there'll be say something, your greatest strength that you have. And never forget, this is your sense of community. America right now is a very diverse country politically.
There's really no sense of community left in America anymore. And so while I don't wish misfortune upon anyone, in my country today,
there's an opportunity now for Islam to,
to offer Islam and to say that, hey, whatever you may be lacking in the community today, we can fill that void and just just bring up what Islam has to offer.
You know, any good salesman will tell you that,
that the facts are always secondary to the feelings and I'm not saying to dilute the facts or anything. What I'm saying is, there's an opportunity now for the doubt, to present that community to market that community. And to say, you know, hey, you know, if you come a Muslim, you will have brothers and sisters for life will look after you. And you'll always have a family that will always be there is better, John, that's a good observation. And, you know, with Allah's help, and you getting involved, right, I wish for you, we wish for you that you become a scholar of Islam, is speaker of Islam, a healer of Islam, and an ambassador of Islam. Right, so there's my prayer,
there's our dua supplication for you, that we need good people. We need good humans, My Father God, Allah has honored you, Allah has guided you. So all of us together Inshallah, we can feel the realities of Islam, that what Islam is not but what Islam is. So when I heard your story, I have feelings of joy, then have feelings of sadness. The sadness is because there could be millions of people just like yourself, who have not waken up to the positive aspect of Islam, to what Islam really is. They only know Islam what the media is saying. So there's the sad part. But I'm joyous for you and many other Americans who actually woke up
Islam and now they have investigated Islam from a unbiased point of view watching the videos conversing with people asking questions, seeking Allah's help. So there's where we want many of the people all of the people to be and all of us together Inshallah, with Allah's guidance we can do that. So shall learn. So without deliberating whether, John mashallah, who is ready for other today's a really blessed day, auspicious day, the day of Friday, I mean, any day is good for her brother John. But today is a very special day, Friday, right Friday.
So, before we recite the shahada, what we usually do is push further for those who may be listening who may not know about shadows. Before a person embraces Islam, they need to recite the testimony of faith in English so they can understand and for the sake of formality, also in Arabic. But before they do that, it's important for a person to also know the fundamentals of Islam, even though you might have been doing research for two years, three years or maybe 23 years since 911. It's important for you to know better John, just a six beliefs and the five pillars at least, right? So at least you would know that what you're coming into. And then you will be seeing the shadow with
full consciousness in the context of those beliefs on those pillars. So you may already be aware of the six beliefs. The very first one is to believe in the absolute oneness of God, that God is only one He's not one in three, he's not a human, he's not an idol is not a creation. He is the creator of the whole creation.
The second important believe is to believe in the angels that God has created. The third one is to believe in all the messengers and prophets that God has appointed to guide humanity to guide humanity, God Himself does not come down and becomes a human. But he he picks any honors from the humans, messengers and prophets. And then he sends revelation to them. And they in turn, they said, they hear the revelation with their people.
Who do you think whether John is a very first prophet and the last prophet according to Islam?
I would say, from what the little research I've done, the first prophet would be Adam. And the last prophet would be Muhammad, peace be upon him. Very good. He's be upon all the prophets and messengers, and we take Jesus to be only as a prophet, not as God, not Son of God, but one of the prophets in the chain in the chain of prophethood.
Okay, there's very good and number for believers to believe in all the books that God has revealed the guidance to humanity. So the previous books given to Moses and Abraham and David and Jesus peace be upon them, they were not preserved, we could change them, we don't have them in the pure form. So God sent the final book the Quran as a guidance for humanity on the Quran is the one God has made the commitment to protect it. So I was saying that we believe in the divine revelations that came before the Quran, we believe in them in the original form, but not in the current altered form that they have. So Quran is the last revelation God has sent for all of humanity's guidance to Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him.
Alright, so the Quran and the prophetic example, they form the basic teachings of Islam, the basic guidance. The fifth pillar, brother, John, is to believe in the Day of Resurrection and the day of judgment. You know, just like at the end of the semester, when we went to school, there is evaluation, at the end of our life, and God will bring us back to life would be our grand evaluation of how we live this life. So on that day, a person goes to Paradise by Allah's mercy, if he or she had the right belief, worshipping and submitting on to only one God, and then doing the good deeds to the best of their ability. If they fall short, they directly pray to God, nobody dies for us,
there is no mediator between us and the creator.
And the last important belief is to believe in the Divine Decree. That means anything good or bad is coming from God, Allah, we have to be content with what Allah has given to us. So those are the six important beliefs but there John, do you do you understand them? And do you? Do you accept them?
Yeah, and he talked about the listening and being influenced by the career Islamophobes the people who make a living, so they're setting up the most obstacles spreading the most misinformation these career as he called them. Islamophobes and he was a fan of theirs. He was following their content, he was probably regurgitating much of the same nonsense, much of the false information but um hum did Allah then he, as he said, he wanted to know if he was actually he was another side to the story. So
He wanted to know if there was another side of the store, which there was, he got informed properly, and he's here with us.
Hamdulillah you know, many times Alhamdulillah right, it has a positive effect. When people are saying something wrong about Islam, more people get curious about Islam. Even with the Quran burning that happened in Norway in the Scandinavian countries, what the French President was saying about the hijab ban, what people are saying and doing on the internet, it just makes a person curious you know, people are intelligent humans so people become curious why would 2 billion people would be following Islam and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and the Quran? So we as Muslims, we keep on doing what is right what is true without any distraction, no matter what they say what they do, the
Islamophobes we keep on adhering and with focus and you know, razor sharp focus, as we say, on hearing the fate, Allah guides whom He reveals our job is just to make sure that we keep on conveying the message with the right methodology. And mashallah brother John is one of those individuals, despite all the negative Islamophobia in this country around the world. MashAllah Insha Allah, he gets back with us. He's having some technical difficulties, John. Alright, guys, I'm back. Guys. You were I could hear everything you were saying. But my, my internet was cutting out and
it ended up kicking me right out of the stream, and I was trying to get your attention, but it just what? No worries, no worries. Dr. Seville went over the six articles of faith. Were you able to catch that? Were you able to hear it? Did you were you able to understand it? Yet? Yes, I did hear all of them. I can tell that it was cutting out but I did catch all of them. Yes. Okay, Doc. So we'll go ahead and continue from there. Yeah, so really important. Now, the five important pillars the very first one is to recite the testimony of faith, that there is no other God besides the one God Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is the messenger of Allah. So Muslims required it many
times and that was the main article, the main pillar of faith, which inshallah very soon you're going to do it today. The second one is to pray five times a day. And inshallah God willing, we can send you some literature, we can include you into the classes that also show you how to pray the five daily prayers. The third one is to give obligately charity 2.5% of our safe assets at least once a year for the poor, the needy and the people who are less fortunate. And beyond that you can give any amount as you want. And you said, you know, Muslims are the most charitable activity according to the survey. In the US, UK in Europe, Muslims are the most charitable people in the
The third pillar is to fast in mastering, which is coming up next week, but the John, around 22nd of March. Have you ever fasted before?
Not really, I mean,
I was going to say I still have a lot to learn about Islam, about the culture.
And so I look forward to doing all of that. I mean, I've fasted here and there when
when I still consider myself a Christian, and there's so much more that I that I want to speak with you guys about Edie, I hope that you will give me the opportunity to come to the deen show in Chicago where we can actually sit down and maybe take an hour or two to talk about
various ways to expand the Dow and I can share with you my ideas. I've been sharing a lot of them with brothers to be Oh, and also
where the country is at and how it presents a huge opportunity for Islam. And so I hope I can get that opportunity with you one day we could do it proper in person.
There's a lot more I wanted to talk about. But we're trying to condense all this you know, in a short video so I just it's it's not the same as really being able to take my time and speak like I would.
I look forward to that and brothers would be able I hope that you come out and I have a gift for both of you. See, I've got my Shahada ring right here. I've got I got a couple of them on Amazon. And you know, I can't believe how beautifully they came out for the thing I got this. How the ring
I was surprised when whether John said that yesterday that there is a shadow ring nowadays.
shadows in the house
So it Okay, well it's just it has it in Arabic on one side and then we need to turn it over and has it in English. And, you know, I've just been wearing it the past few days and I got one for you and one for Edie. So I look forward to being
so are you are you ready to actually take your Shahada? No,
I am let's do it 100 Allah let me just complete so the fourth pillar is fast in the month of fasting Ramadan and the last pillar is to go once in a lifetime at least for pilgrimage if the means allows it besides the five pillars brother John, a person a Muslim always have to aspire to gain knowledge knowledge is obligated in Islam good knowledge beneficial knowledge
I hear you can you hear me?
Yes, we can. I see. We can hear you. Okay, I turned the camera off. I noticed it was starting to come back again. Are they're starting to cut out again. I so I just I turned the camera off just so you guys can hear me. But everybody knows what I look like so. Okay, let's do it. Brother. I'm ready.
Let's do this in English while they're young. So please repeat after me, brother John. I bear witness.
I bear witness. There is no other God. There is no other God besides Allah, besides Allah, and I bear witness. And I bear witness that Muhammad peace be upon him.
That Muhammad peace be upon him is the messenger of Allah is the messenger of Allah.
Good, let's do the same thing in Arabic but for the sake of formality. So please repeat that for
us. hadoo Hadoo
Allah, Allah ilaha illa
and Mohammed Mohammed
Allah Sulu congrats
I never thought this day would come. I never thought I'd be sitting here today converting to Islam after
after all the history that that is involved in my life. So there's, there's hope for others who are following that same way of being harsh Islamophobes listening to career Islamophobes that they wanted to know the other side of the story like you did, you got educated properly, you're seeking the guidance from the Creator. When here we are humbled in LA.
And once again, guys, I apologize for my phone cutting out I've how embarrassing, I apologize for that.
And But brother Eddie, there's so much more and brothers to be able to so much more I wanted to say Islamophobia is a business. And if they don't have Patreon donations, if they if people are not watching, then then they're going to go away. But but more importantly, here's what I would say to my brothers and sisters in Islam. Don't worry about them. That all they can do is make YouTube videos, they can go after Islam and attack Islam, they can say whatever they want. But once people start seeing the good nature of Muslims and Islam, once they start feeling that sense of community, once they see your good nature, your charity, eventually, the Islamophobes can scream as loud as
they want. They can do whatever they want. But it's in the end, it's not gonna matter. It's not gonna matter. And last thing I would, I want to say is that
the messenger made clear that Islam would enter every house and before the day of judgment that it would be the world's predominant faith. And it's happening so they can say what they want, they can do what they want, but don't worry about them. Just concentrate on your Dawa, concentrate on your good deeds. And in the end, a law is going to prevail. What one last thing before we conclude we got one minute left for the people out there who are listening. Similar situation they've been listening to do the career Islamophobes now they're listening to you. What advice would you have for them to break through some of this fear and ignorance?
I would say talk Go Go talk to some Muslims and see what they have to say. Get a copy of the Koran and actually read it
decide all your biases. And and you know, they're friendly, they'll be happy to have you. And
once you do, you'll be glad you did you know don't you know don't let that fear and ignorance take over don't let it drive your your thought process go and speak to people like brothers to be ill and brother Eddie they'd be they'd be happy to have you. Absolutely.
Thank you very much. Congratulations again brother.
Welcome please now. Now you could share them with people around you starting with your family, neighbors and all of humanity I look forward to that and learning how learning how to pray and yes, yeah, there's so much I have to learn now.
and that will get you started. We can appoint a mentor for you last is for you. This is a services from the Muslim community mashallah and gain peace and wounds hurting you will be for you. May Allah make you strong in faith. May Allah help you to read more and to practice more and share this wonderful pain starting with your family and the rest of human who are new regulations regulations.
to be upon you. All right. Thank you guys for
having this opportunity both of us to share in this wonderful day. Juma day and also this brother humbly accepted Islam from a harsh islamophobe to someone who has submitted his will to the credit of heavens and earth a Muslim hamdulillah Edie is taking this Amana of the people very seriously. He was just sharing a story with me that they had some benches inside that needed to be moved and Edie together father and son were lifting these benches. Join us in this project in Charlotte so we can establish a beautiful team center