Dr.Omar Suleiman REACTS To Piers Morgan vs Ben Shapiro On Israel
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In one of the videos you say the only solution is for Israel to annex the Gaza Strip and kill enough sons of bitches to make sure this isn't a problem again, you say anyone who calls for a ceasefire is a terrorist sympathizer. I want you to think about how sick and demented that is, how sick and demented that is the case that you none of your colleagues or you have been able to offer one single condolence, one single condemnation, one single word of sympathy, whether they will have power, whether they will have clean water, whether they will have medicine when you occupy a people for decades, and I say that as someone who is Jewish, I'm a Jewish I Salam, Aleikum, greetings of peace.
Welcome to the show. I'm Edie, your host, thank you for tuning in. It's good to see you guys excited to have my next guest, Dr. Omar Suleimani. Mom out of Texas, a person who's very well acquainted with what's happening in Palestine. Ultimately, I one of the things that I think people need to remember is that if you live in Gaza, and I was reporting there for many years, and I spend time there since the last 15 or so years, for the majority of Palestinians there, there's two and a half million of them roughly, it's a blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt. And that means basically, you don't have freedom of movement, you can't leave when you want, you can't say study outside the
country very easily. And that's suffocating. And this is not a defense of Hamas by any means. I've spent time with Hamas as a reporter in Gaza, and many gardens I know don't like Hamas, particularly in the past or now. But the truth is that when you occupy people for decades, and I say that as someone who is Jewish, I'm a Jewish, German Australian. And I've reported on this issue for 20 or so years, and I am surprised by obviously, the timing of this, but at the same time, not at all surprised by the reasons behind it, that somehow there's a belief that you can lock people up occupy them. And of course, let's not forget, Human Rights Watch Amnesty International, others have called
what's happening in Palestine apartheid. That's their words, every Israeli human rights organization has called it apartheid. If that is the case for years, and it is, and I've reported on that myself, as have other journalists, eventually, people will snap, people will break, you cannot continue to behave like this as a Jewish state, a self described moral state, and expect Palestinians simply to lie down and accept it when you occupy a people for that long. No, I don't accept and in support the idea of taking civilian hostages at all condemned at 110%. I'm not defending that at all. But it's used as a bargaining chip, you see one of the problems so much, and I've haven't reported about this
for so long. It's it's the framing here that we can get outrage in the West about the taking of civilians back into Gaza, fine. But there's far less outrage about the fact that every day this year, and for every year for decades, Palestinian civilians are killed in the West Bank and Gaza, they are killed by Israeli forces, that gets far less international outrage. Now they're both wrong killing civilians is always wrong, regardless of who does it and where. But ultimately, to me, I think that double standard in so much how we as journalists report, this is, in my view, a big part of the problem in what the UN calls the unlawful and illegal occupation under international law. But
to get us more informed for those who are kind of in the gray zone, they hear this term, often Israeli Palestinian conflict. It's just a conflict. We got so many conflicts going on in the world. What's the big deal with this? And that's going to be my first question to my guest. Is this is this term, Israeli Palestinian conflict? Is this a fair and accurate way to frame this issue amongst so many other questions that I'm sure you guys have been trying to address? Ask him for you guys. And get his reaction to these with my next guest. Let's bring him on out. This is the Daily Show.
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I sit on a crew and what Aiken was set on greetings of peace. How you doing? Dr. Omar?
How are you? Good at Hamdulillah you already heard my first question.
Did you get?
I did that? Yeah.
I think that one of the main problems with the framing of this is that it intentionally sort of puts this on, you know, equal power dynamics. So you got two equal opposing armies. You've got two equal opposing nations. You've got two you know, peoples that have been added for centuries. And one of the things that Israeli propaganda takes advantage of, and honestly American propaganda which is which, which is basically an extension of Israeli propaganda. Is that the
Public usually doesn't read beyond the headline. And so it's hit people with these outrageous headlines without fact checking
emotional exploitation, and then sort of spin the the entire crisis as Oh, these are just, you know, two peoples that have been fighting for 1000s of years, we're not going to solve it. Now. The reality is, is that
this is not a religious, you know, conflict spanning 1000s and 1000s of years, it's not like people have been fighting Muslims and Jews all this time over this land for 1000s and 1000s. of years. This is an illegal occupation. That was an extension of European colonization of the land of Palestine 1948. And since then you've had a global refugee crisis, since then you've had an expanding illegal occupation, if you put up a map and you went, and you showed the expulsion of Palestinians from their homes, from 1948. Until today, there has never been a period in which that has stopped. And in that process, Palestinians have been killed, their movement has been further restricted, there are
stateless people, if you're in Gaza, in particular, 60% of the population of Gaza, of Gaza, are actually refugees, they were expelled from other parts of Palestine into Gaza. So I have relatives in Gaza that I've never even met, they were expelled from different parts of Palestine, put into this open air prison, one of the most densely populated areas in the world with all freedom of movement restricted, being bombarded routinely with the most sophisticated weaponry in the world shut off from all sides. And, you know, the daily incursions, the daily aggressions against the people of Gaza, and the people of Palestine as a whole go completely ignored by the American media.
So something as simple as you know, Gaza, seaports constantly restricted, the only way that people can eat when they are shut off from all the different directions in terms of land, is their fishing and so routinely, you'll have that radius shut down to where, you know, you can no longer fish 11 miles out, now it's seven miles now it's five miles, the restriction of movement, the destruction of the hospital infrastructure, the bombing of the Egyptian border, which has been closed on the people of Palestine. And so if you're, if you're an American, and you're watching the news, and you're hearing, you know, Netanyahu just saying, all innocent Palestinians are all Palestinians, he never
used the word innocent, of course, civilians in Gaza, were warning you to leave, leave, where leave where you're in this tiny place. And the only hope that you have is that the bombing does not hit your residential building. And the only calculation that you could possibly make is, do I go next door or not? Do I trust that, you know, based upon whatever randomness I can decipher from these bombings? Is it going to be you know, my cousin's building? Or is it going to be my building next. And this is, of course, ignoring the settler violence. This is ignoring the apartheid system that has been imposed on the Palestinians, a legal system, or an illegal system through legal terminology
classed as apartheid by international consensus now. So it's not a conflict, you don't have two peoples two states, two nations on equal footing, you have an occupier and an occupied, you have a colonizer and you have a colonized. And all of that is important context. And what the, you know, the propaganda is doing is it's not just selling you a lie about what's happening now. It's completely intentionally ignoring the past so that people can be emotionally exploited, as these war crimes play out in real time, right in front of our eyes. You mentioned the word apartheid. I want you to break this down for some people haven't even heard this word. We heard that we hear this a
lot. And is this considered also under international law? This is a crime. Israelis rule over Palestinians has been described as this also by the South African freedom advocate and icon Desmond Tutu. You also have this being also put out by US President Jimmy Carter calling this an apartheid. I don't think anyone could go to the West Bank and Gaza or even the East Jerusalem and see what's happening now to the Palestinians, that would disagree with my use of the word apartheid. And you also had two leading human rights organizations. Yes, teen and biz stoom, amongst others. So the question is, why is this term apartheid appropriate for this? And what does that mean apartheid for
the average person is just apartheid? What what does that mean to separate laws for two separate peoples, you have one set of people that live under an entirely different set of restrictions, they live literally behind the apartheid wall.
Every single element of the Palestinians life is controlled by their occupier. They do not have equal rights to
Do any form of political participation, and they are completely shut out from being able to control their own daily needs and, you know, live like decent, dignified normal human beings. I actually encourage people because people don't read anymore to go read the Amnesty report on apartheid, the Human Rights Watch report on apartheid, and actually go through the way that that legal determination was made, because it is that important, every single South African apartheid activist starting not just with Desmond Tutu, but Nelson Mandela himself, has said that what is being done to the Palestinians, is, in many ways, even worse than what has been done to the, to black people in
South Africa. He said, it's worse. He said, This is Nelson Mandela. He was saying this is worse. Desmond Tutu actually went to the territories and came back and said, in many ways, this is worse. Nelson Mandela says our freedom is incomplete until the Palestinians realize their freedom. So there's a deliberate misinformation campaign again, about the presence there is a deliberate exploitation of the overall ignorance that people have of what takes place on a daily basis, because they are intentionally kept in the dark, you don't see the daily aggressions against the Palestinian people on any mainstream outlet. I mean, Gaza has been bombed RIGHT NOW Brutally, people are being
slaughtered in the dark. And that's not even making it to the mainstream press. What do you think about the daily incursions on message OXA and the settlers burning homes and attacking people and lynching people? And, you know, just the everyday humiliation of occupation? If that, if right now Gaza is not on your screen, then how is that going to be on your screen? And so there is a deliberate exploitation again, of people's overall ignorance of what's taking place on a regular basis. And it's playing on people's emotions. You know, we you just saw the entire disinformation campaign that the President himself, the President himself repeated a hoax, the reporting by one
Israeli TV channel that 40 babies were murdered by Hamas, including being beheaded makes a number of the front pages we have asked on three occasions, the IDF to confirm they have not confirmed this reporting. If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read it, you're misinformed. I was a CIA director, we lied. We cheated. We still
like about 40 beheaded children. What about the 400 Plus children in Gaza now that are confirmed that that's not a hoax, they're not just decapitated. They're finding legs in some places, arms in some places. I mean, these people are being bombed by American bombs. And that's not a hoax. And the President of the United States could not even say a word of sympathy, you know, about Palestinian life. So this is, this is the most blatant hypocrisy that I think we've seen in a very long time. In regards to what is happening to the Palestinian people, it resembles very much the racist Islamophobic framings that that we have been subjected to, especially in the immediate aftermath of
911. You know, we're being portrayed as the heir of savages who are bloodthirsty and cannot be governed by brutality. And so the only way to deal with these, you know, bloodthirsty Arab Muslims is to mow the lawn is to carpet bomb them. Ted Cruz said turn it into a parking lot. Netanyahu is told by Jordan Peterson, give him hell, Nikki Haley says finish them right. And I'm probably confusing at this point. Now who said what, but it's just disgusting, talking points from the right and from the left, that are not even veiling the fact that they don't view Palestinians as full human beings and they're playing to that imagination, that these people are bloodthirsty. The only
way you can deal with them is put them in this tiny piece of land, shut off the water, shut off the electricity, shut off the hospital system, shut off the fuel, starve them to death and bomb them with the most sophisticated weaponry that exists in the world today. targeted attacks on civilian infrastructure with a clear aim to cut off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with the winter coming. These are acts of pure terror and we have to call it as such. I want you to think about how sick and demented that is how sick and demented that is, right. And the irony of it is that it's being done in the name of protecting human life. That's the irony of it all. This is
how you protect lives.
So clearly, you don't view all human life as equal. So at least be open about your hypocrisy at least be open about your double standards. And stop going about it in these two different ways. And, and just, you know, repeating these horrific tropes about Arabs and Muslims, as if their innocence? Well, I have a lot of questions you mentioned, and I'll get to this the settler situation, the illegal settlements. You mentioned now the cutting off of food, basic food, water, you know, the survival for life. So many questions, and I want to get this in a short amount of time we have together, but first I want to get into
it. I'm jumping. I'm jumping from place. No, no, yeah, honestly, this has been a very, I'll be very real with you.
And I think it's important. Yes, we're not sleeping. We're not sleeping, because we have relatives, we have people in Gaza that are cut off right now. And every morning, you're waiting to hear if they're alive or not. And while we're not sleeping, we know they're not sleeping. Now, what we're dealing with is nothing compared to what they're dealing with. The sad thing is that, you know, to see in these moments that, you know, we have to fight, not just Israeli propaganda, but the full thrust of propaganda here at home.
The political establishment, the media establishment, your brand's your celebrities, your influencers. It is absolutely exhausting. You know, what's happening are people at work you've got now state governments, like Texas just put out some sort of a warrant or creating some sort of a division. I don't even know what it's called, but to monitor, you know, and surveil pro Palestinian
protests and report concerning behavior. So this is, if it seems like we're scattered right now. And we're jumping from place to place. And we're outrageous, because we are, we actually are outraged. And we don't, you know, we don't even know where to start when talking to people, because the depth of ignorance and media manipulation is just not strong right now. Tell me this. Recently, there was a tweet that went out where Jordan Peterson he tweeted, give him help. And this is kind of people were shocked, because it's kind of we've never heard you to tell someone to go to hell. So can you tell us the did a program on this? Can you go ahead and let us know? What was the obviously we can
see the build up to it? And can you go ahead and elaborate on this? Well, look, I think it's important to recognize and you know, every Tuesday night, I do a class called the first where I go through the lives of the sahaba. And it just so happened we had just finished the
the classes about who obeyed the law on one awesome only law I know and many of the, the shahada have what's known as bit Ramayana. And Hadith tautology are two massacres that happened right? In the aftermath of boyhood, where more people actually died, or were killed, murdered in those two massacres in the immediate aftermath than itself. There were more Shahadat, from those two massacres than itself. And it was complete betrayal ambassadors being killed people that were guaranteed safety that were ambushed and killed, and the profit sides and a made up against those murders in every single Salah five prayers for a month. I want you to imagine walking into the masjid of the
Prophet size alone, every single Salah for an entire month the prophets lie some raised his hands and he made against those people. Now we know when the prophets lie some himself had his teeth knocked done.
And was was almost killed. He said Allama for the economy phenomena and the moon Oh ALLAH forgive my people, they don't know any better. The point is, is that the Prophet sign son I'm did make dua against the pressors he made your art for the guidance of even his worst enemies and people that oppressed him in the most significant of ways. And he backed up that dirt by forgiving those people, forgiving those people that killed his own family that did things to him, when they sought forgiveness when they came back to the Prophet sallallahu. And he was sort of in a different state than the one that they were in before. But the prophets like some of them did make dua against
tyrants. The prophets like some didn't make they're out against the presser. So this is a part of the Sunnah, too. So it's interesting because immediately after I tweeted that I got all sorts of messages, check, take that down, it's not befitting it's a it's a bad look. And this is, you know, this is not the Sunnah. I'm like no, it actually is it is the Sunnah sometimes to make against people. And so I meant it as a deterrent against Jordan Peterson. I really did when you are to that level of hard heartedness and
evil, to where you can say give them hell to one of the worst tyrants if not the worst tyrant and fascist in the world. And you know exactly what give them hell means It means go mow the lawn and Gaza, it means go murder those animals, animals in quotation marks when they're coming biota dump because that's what they call them in Gaza, and you know that that's going to result in what we're seeing right now children being pulled out the rubble, there is, Israel has done this too many times in the past for us to have any
hesitation in knowing that this is exactly what's going to happen right now. It's just more aggressive than before. So when when you as a person, and you you masquerade in the public as a thoughtful human being, as someone who cares about, you know, people's well being as someone who, whatever it is, right, you masquerade in so many different ways, as this thoughtful individual, but you put out something so evil, knowing the implications of it, I meant it as a due out against him. And I believe we should, and this is an important part of our sin, make your against tyrants, yes, make your app for the guidance of people that you know, that just don't know any better make your
app for the guidance, you know, have the heart to forgive people. And that's a part as well, right you have co workers, maybe you have colleagues that just don't know any better. Talk to them, make sure that Allah opens their heart that Allah guides them, it's very hard for us sometimes to, to recognize the depths of the ignorance that some otherwise very good people have fallen into.
But Jordan Peterson knows what he's doing. And those types of voices know exactly what they're doing. First of all, he's on the payroll of the daily wire. So that should that should have been no secret for many, many months, if not years at this point as to what he was about. But when he does that, honestly, you know, him and those like him should be put in their place should be absolutely put in their place. This is innocent life that we're talking about right now. And we should have very little tolerance for those that have dehumanized the most noble people on Earth, because the prophets like Selim, talked about how noble the people on the outskirts of an ox are within an ox on
the outskirts of an ox are those are the most noble people on Earth right now. And we should have no tolerance with rhetoric that dehumanizes them. And we should take that to argue that the voices of evil are silenced as well, that Allah subhanho wa taala. Either show them the error of their ways, or that Allah Subhana Allah to Allah, you know, do with them as he sees fit, right? So that's a part of the Sunnah as well. I want to get into this next I want to build a framework here. I want it just I don't want to spend too much time on this. But I think it's very, very important, because it dispels a lot of the myths. So this is a college a professor, showing people can go look into look
his name up, and they can see when Muslims conquered Jerusalem because this revolves around Jerusalem. I want to get your quick reaction before I get into my next questions. valif goes, Okay.
I want to meet some of the Jews living in Jerusalem. And so finance goes, there are no Jews in Jerusalem.
And the half goes, What do you mean, there's no Jews in Jerusalem, the city is holy to the Jews. How can there be no Jews? And he says, well, as Christians, we pretty much murder them every chance we get we really hate Jews. In fact, in the war, we just did it against the Persians, the Jews sided with the Persians. And so we murdered 20,000 Jews in Jerusalem, and completely purged the city of its remaining Jewish population.
And Omar, Al Khattab goes, No, this is wrong, you can't do this.
And so he turns to a convert to Islam, a Jewish convert to Islam. And he says, I need you to find me at Jewish families that were willing to volunteer to move to Jerusalem so we can reestablish a Jewish presence in the city.
And that's how the Muslims conquered Jerusalem.
And that's the stuff that's left out of your history books. What do you think often there's this misconception. It's Muslims, they hate Jews. They want to annihilate Jews. You hear this rhetoric? This is our history here. This is not coming from a Muslim. This is a university professor, following the example of Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him when he came with the army of 10,000 strong and he could have obliterated all of the pagan Arabs at that time and others, but he said spread the peace, spread the flu.
Goud Ahmad is going to head of state at that time, and now he actually repopulated. This is like, this blows your mind sallahu Dino UB came later he did the same thing showing mercy. What do you say when you see something like this?
Look, I think I think that one of the most exhausting talking points is the conflation of anti Zionism with anti semitism. It is absolutely nauseating. It's a historical, it is
intentionally ignorant and reductionist.
You just have to completely ignore our history, and ignore who we are today to try to make that conflation. So there are historical Jewish communities in the Muslim world that were never annihilated with him that
there is a legacy of mercy and justice and honorable health orbital the Allow time on hold and Salah had been a UB as you mentioned, when Muslims came to Jerusalem, even under, you know,
after having faced some of the worst brutality that human beings have ever faced, Salahuddin did not enter Jerusalem after you know, a peaceful behavior towards Muslims and then react and kind Salahuddin entered Jerusalem after the Crusades, who literally, you know, roasted people at the stake, burned them at the stake and ate them, who had, you know, Muslims, Orthodox Christians and Jews massacred by the hundreds of 1000s and the blood to the knees of their horses. The crimes that were committed against the Muslims and other religious communities are well documented, and the mercy and the magnanimity and the justice that was shown by the likes of Salahuddin at a UB Rahim
Allah and there's so much more in our Islamic history is well documented. This is it's a historical reductionist ignorant. And the conflation is very much so intentional, because it tries it tries to remove the criticism of the colonial ethno fascist state of Israel, and turn it into, you know, just Muslims who hate Jews. And that could not be further from the truth. And by the way, some of the most foremost voices for justice for the Palestinians are young Jewish Americans. So it just, it's all around incoherence and ignorant and reductionist and ahistorical. You can look through our history. And you can see many examples, not just, you know, the one that was cited there, even
though there's, you know, the way that the professor frame that there are some, you know, inaccuracies here, there, you know, our model, the lowdown on home, return some of the families that were expelled. So it wasn't just random families. The point being that we have a sense of justice, we have a framework in Islam. We reject tyranny, no matter what, we reject tyranny. And you know, what, we were ejected against ourselves as well. And we were rejected against our Palestinian brothers and sisters right now, as well. And we will speak for them. Because right now, they are in a blackout. They are in a blackout. And everything is being taken away from them. And so they need
us. And this is sort of, I guess, take it as my parting message.
There's a lot of despair. There's a lot of hopelessness, it feels like we're getting punched in the face right and left, because you turn on the TV and it's infuriating. You see your favorite celebrity and athlete, tweet something idiotic out, it's infuriating. You see the right and the left political establishments somehow find agreement on the dehumanization of the Palestinians. It's exhausting. You see the recreation or will never really want to wait, the expansion of the surveillance state right now against the Muslim community, it's exhausting. People are going to lose their jobs. You have these weird watch lists that you know, I mean, I can't tell you how many times
any, you know, my university or anywhere else gets contacted by these people. These lists are put together. You even have the CEO of a large hedge fund, right, that is going after anyone who signs a pro Palestinian letter, an academic letter. All this is happening right now. But you know what, we cannot be silent. We can't be silent. And we cannot say that. Well, it's too costly to raise our voices right now. Because look what's happening to the Palestinian people right now. Look what's happening to them. So let's draw from their courage. Let's draw from whatever strength is
They are mustering up to be able to survive the nights of bombardment with no basic necessities and without the sympathy of the developed world, and let's instead be their voices and shun let's and let's, let's muster up the courage to be able to face whatever consequences come with that. Because every single moment that you're raising awareness, whatever it is, whatever platform whatever small thing you think you're doing, you're fighting back against this cruel narrative that has very real consequences in real time right now. This is an emergency situation. So we need everyone to make drought we need everyone's and raise awareness in every way that they possibly can. There's a
there's a statement from this person was a recent interview with Piers Morgan, he was interviewing Ben Shapiro and quote he's saying only solution is for Israel to annex the Gaza Strip, and kill enough of the sons of bitches is this quote, anyone who calls for the ceasefire is a terrorist sympathizer? I want to get into this clip and get your reaction to it. In one of the videos, you say the only solution is for Israel to annex the Gaza Strip and kill enough sons of bitches to make sure this isn't a problem. Again, you say anyone who calls for a ceasefire is a terrorist sympathizer, under these circumstances, and that got a lot of pushback. I guess this comes to the point of
appropriate response. How far do you go? How do you isolate genuine Hamas from perhaps completely innocent Palestinians in Gaza, which there will be many?
One person called you a genocidal war monger for that rhetoric? And there's a person called Muhammad hijab in a video called in responding to Ben Shapiro in Israel, he says this.
First and foremost, I'll say, Yes, we condemn any woman, child, or whatever it may be that's being killed, who's Jewish and is not a noncombatant. But why is it the case? Ben? Ha. Why is it the case that you, none of your colleagues or you have been able to offer one single condolence, one single condemnation, one single word of sympathy for any of the Gazans that have been killed? Don't try and smear us. Don't try and slander us don't try and attack not try and produce red earrings. And I think you're an ass a jackass. And we're not talking about hummus. We're talking about children here. We're talking about women here. We're talking about elderly people.
You make me sick, you make me sick.
What was your response to that? Bam. And that will be I'm sure. A reaction. You've heard from a lot of people. What do you feel about that? I mean, my obvious response is, of course, I feel horrible for the people who are being held by Hamas in a state of tyranny for the past 15 years. Tomas was the elected government in Gaza in 2006. There hasn't been an election since then. All the people who are who aren't today ranting as you heard Muhammad hijab doing right there. I don't hear them talking about liberating Gaza from Hamas, which is the greatest threat to the to the way of life of Gazans on planet Earth. Again, I've nothing but sympathy for Hamas, for the people that Hamas is
governing are the people that Hamas is exploiting really, I have nothing but sympathy for civilians there. Israel has to defend itself. I don't understand your your reaction.
I mean, everything that Muhammad said to him and more
complete, sick, twisted human being.
You can see the insincerity right in his eyes. I think that one of the things that we have to do, you know, is take people back to context, the greatest threat to the Palestinian people, is the occupation of the Palestinian people, is the cause for the annihilation of the Palestinian people, which has happened through people like Shapiro, and his well funded propaganda machine, and others like him, that have openly called for genocide. They're not even hiding it anymore. And so I have nothing but sympathy. Okay. I mean, it's very clear that you have something other than sympathy, but you know, why don't they why don't why doesn't Piers Morgan press him on this? Like they anytime a
speaker, someone comes on, you know, the other side? They really they start off with this do you support what Hamas launched? Do you condemn what Hamas did? How many times Israel have committed war crimes? Do you start by asking them to condemn themselves have you you don't, but he's kind of just you know, stumbling, and he's not being direct. You know, it was it was interesting because I was watching you know, CNN as
I was waiting for, you know, the remarks of Biden a few days ago, and they were interviewing person after
you know, family after family
about the horror of the attacks that came from Gaza, not a single family from Gaza is being interviewed. And when they finally get a Palestinian on, they immediately go into Do you condemn? Do you condemn? Do you condemn? Do you condemn what Hamas did? You know, someone says that I just lost 10 relatives 15 relatives, we don't have an Iron Dome, we have nowhere to run to. We have absolutely no shelter. We have no humanitarian aid, the basic necessities of life are cut off. And immediately you can see the antagonistic nature of interviewers, Do you condemn towards Palestinians, and you can see the dehumanizing rhetoric,
barely masked, even in, you know, the voices of people that are supposed to be seasoned media people, they can't even mask their their hatred, their disdain for the Palestinian people. And they keep playing to again, these tropes of the Arab Muslim savages.
And so, when someone talks about, you know, threats to the Palestinian people, and you know, yeah, this is this is the, the greatest threat to the people of Gaza is this the greatest threat to the people of the West Bank is this another greatest threat is the illegal occupation and system of apartheid that was imposed upon them, none of this happens if you don't have a people that are forcibly removed from their homes put into, you know, these these small areas, open Arab prisons bombarded routinely cut off from the rest of the world stripped of their citizenship and their entire identity. None of this happens if you don't do that to a people. And so,
you know, when people talk about vicious cycle, I'm just going to say it like this, the only way to end the vicious cycle is to end the vicious occupation. Any discussion? That does not include the ending of the illegal occupation of Palestine is a worthless discussion. Let me ask you this. Here, you have an Irish I believe it's an MP. My question is, how does? Are they just more intelligent? Do they have access to more information? You're going to see this short clip, I'm gonna get your reaction to it. But how do people in certain Congress's Senate's, are they deprived of what this man is informed to? If I was Jewish, and I'd never stepped foot in Israel, I could claim citizenship
there tomorrow, but 6 million people whose origins are in what you now call Israel, who were forced out in 1947, or 48, do not have that. Right. Isn't that part of the reason why the Palestinians are in dispute with Israelis, because you deny them the right to return to their homes, onto their land and to their villages, and that they have a legitimate claim, even under international law to return but you deny them that right? Why do you deny them that right? And why do you give that right to other people who have no connection whatsoever with the land, whether you call it Israel, or whether you call it Palestine? Why do you continue to seize land if you're serious about Oslo, and the two
state solution, which under that agreement is land designated to be Palestinian land 500,000 people, most of which has taken place since Oslo you allow that to happen? Why do you allow it to happen? If you're serious about giving this land to the Palestinians, it's absolutely extraordinary. Or you're not just taking us ambassador for idiots that you can say with a straight face, we're serious about peace. But while we're serious about peace, we're going to seize Palestinian land, and you expect the Palestinians to sit back and do nothing about that, that you know what the Palestinian people have been asking for far less even than some people would ask for, because I believe the whole
apartheid system should be dismantled, or what they've asked for is to lift the siege of Gaza just to lift the siege of Gaza, let them have an airport, let them have airports, let them not be dictated to by a government for whom they do not vote as to what can go in and out of their territories, whether they will have power, whether they will have clean water, whether they will have medicine, what makes you think you're allowed to have nuclear weapons and the fourth biggest army in the world, and this is destruction on Dec the people of Gaza, but they have no right to defend themselves. They have no territorial someday that land which was questions
do you justify that? How do you justify those double standards vary? Lastly, Ambassador people like Bishop Tutu, Nelson Mandela and overserved he's described your state as a apartheid state with different laws for people depending on their race or religion for example, checkpoints going into the West Bank, there's a channel if you're Israeli or European and as a channel if your ERA just because your ERA if you came into doll era and they stopped you and said Are you Jewish? Oh no, sir. You can come in through the same entrance as Irish people or
European people because you're Jewish, you would call that racism and apartheid. You practice that with your checkpoints and your military. Okay. Barriers and your apartheid wall. How can you justify? Is he is he getting intel that they're not? I don't? I don't, I think he's using common sense. And he's speaking with common dignity. Just it's foundational dignity that, unfortunately is lacking from the discourse in the United States. And let's be real here. I mean, I want to say two things here, number one,
you know, on a personal level, my parents are both Palestinian refugees, they were both expelled from their homes, my parents actually met in the United States. I'm in the process, I've been trying to translate the poetry that my mother, may Allah have mercy on her use to write about Palestine, I've posted some of it. And about Bosnia as well, you know, I've spoken to you about that. You know, because we grew up with that in the background, also, and just the oppressed peoples, I've never been to my
parents homeland, I've never been allowed entry into my ancestral homes, I've never been able to go and visit my relatives, there are people there that I love, as if I've grown up with, with them. And I've only known them through zoom and FaceTime. And I'm grateful to Allah for that, that we at least have that level of connection because obviously, our parents used to have, you know, the occasional letter writing. But the fact that people can be forcibly removed from their homes, and someone from Long Island, New York, you're stealing my house. And if I don't steal it, someone else is gonna steal it. You can walk into a home in Jerusalem,
where you have a generational family occupancy, and throw them out with absolutely no repercussions, in fact, with the full cover of the ioof with the full cover of the entire security apparatus of Israel, if that's not outrageous to any human being, any human being, I'm not even talking about faith. Now. I'm just talking about basic dignity, basic humanity.
If that does not enrage you, you have to actually analyze and assess your own humanity at this point, if that does not enraging that that someone who has absolutely no connection to this home, can take a first class ticket over and throw families out of their homes.
And here's the thing, and this is what I want to end on you talk about two sets of information. You talk about the you know, sort of the polarization that's taking place now, right, so you can see if you watch media, in some countries, it's like you're you're looking at as if you're looking at two different regions. It makes no sense, right?
But here's what we also have to be very honest with. These tactics are the exact same tactics, the tactics that the United States government used in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the dehumanizing of entire populations and erasing their stories from the American public. And, you know, with the hundreds and 1000s of casualties, African American to name you, one victim of the Iraq war. They can't, they can't, because they're not people anymore. They were wiped out, in the name of security, in the name of security completely wiped out populations, and the terror that was inflicted, in the quote unquote, war on terror on innocent populations that were again framed as savages, Arab Muslim
savages with all of these tropes.
This is the exact same rhetoric and the exact same framing I got use the Palestinian people, I got two more questions and we're going to conclude I want to because most Americans, we know as Muslims, we would never do something like this. I mean, this is something but let alone Americans are not found of sending three point some billion of their taxpaying money to go ahead. And now, as you can see, this is from a Hamza sources, talking about the seeds where you have 2 million people you have a 50% If I'm not mistaken, are children. So this is something where the American public the American taxpayers, you know, when you look look into this, now, do they really want to starve people to
death, I mean, these are these are not animals when they come in biota them, but with that being said,
nothing, nothing. Nothing like what has been done to the people who have so right now what is being done to the people of Gaza right now.
Is inhumane is not even a word for targeted attacks on civilian infrastructure with a clear aim to cut off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with the winter coming. These are acts of
pure terror, and we have to call it as such. And the sad thing is, is that you have people that otherwise might seem like reasonable,
normal people that are somehow justifying this, I'm not talking about the Ben Shapiro's and the Jordan Peterson's of the world. I'm not just normal people that you expect better from
that somehow have been manipulated to the point that they believe that this is okay to starve off an entire population over 1 million children. And you've got tick tock videos being made by Israeli settlers mocking the thirst of the Palestinians.
Guys putting their faces next to faucets and showing off the plentiful supply of water knowing that there are babies that will die from not having access to water not because of a drought due to some sort of natural disaster occurrence, but due to the intentional shutting off of water from a sick and demented regime and that's the only way that you can describe them sick and demented. We're done we're out of time we're going to end with this I want people to imagine themselves in a situation where you have complete buildings with civilians in them being destroyed families being annihilated a complete genocide happening but if you look at some of these videos people they're hearing some
Arabic being said and you continue and I'll end with this video that people still keep praising the most high the creator that heavens on Earth
on the love
get fired in the Philippines
what lesson can can we
take from that sheet
the fact that these people can say Alhamdulillah is
just want you to think about that as you complain about anything happening in your life.
Or you can say 100 in the fact that they can say Alhamdulillah with all that happening is is a great sign of Eman it's a miracle of faith and just hope that you know a lot of times we become disconnected in our
we become entirely disconnected from from these people and when you forget Allah you forget yourself and you forget other people
you know the last conversation that I had with a distant cousin of mine
before his his I don't know what happened to this phone. I just said you know axiom and podila Allah Allah Allah just keep saying that you don't like immediately line on the line having to rely on the fact that these people still say Alhamdulillah Allah, Allah, Allah Allah. It is nothing short of a miracle and it puts us to shame in our own lives. So be inspired by the people who as as well. Thank you very much may have created the heavens and earth God Almighty Allah bless you, and help all those who are suffering and
rewards you and thank you
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