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Bismillah Alhamdulillah Salaam Alaikum. peace be on to this very special episode of the deen show. We're here in Texas. That's right, y'all.
With a live studio audience, and we're going to get everybody involved, you can get involved from your house, you can get involved with your family sit around the TV, enjoy this week's show because we have a special guest, David gallien. Who comes from a background of Baptist missionaries 50 years in the making. He accepted Islam and he's here to tell us his story. On the deen show. We'll be right back. This is the theme.
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Mr. David Goggin. gallien I'm gonna start off with pieces we do as Muslims so they come like in the salon Peace be with you. How are you, sir?
Now, I'm very honored to have you on our show. Thank you. Now we we get a lot of special guests like yourself, people, you know, we interview from all walks of life. You know, you seem like someone you know, when you look at you, you know somebody who is just an American, and people are looking like, man, just FBI or something.
Or, you know, the chemistry teacher, you just you know, somebody from from the outside looking is like, Man, this is not a Muslim, you know, because they think Muslim, you know, Arab Pakistani, what happened here?
Basically, when I came to the point that I investigated Islam, I felt that based on what I knew, I was forced or compelled to become Muslim.
by the sword, no, simply forced to become Muslim because it was
the correct religion or the right belief. Okay, so tell us a little bit about your history. You heard me mentioned in the beginning that 50 years of Baptist missionaries, yes, my parents were there now by the seas. They were Baptist missionaries in the Philippines for 50 years. My father was a soldier in the US Army in World War Two. And following the Second World War, he went back.
Even as a young person, I came to realize that there was a difference between the Jesus of faith and what must have been the personal history. And it wasn't until I began investigating Islam, that I began to make sense of who Jesus was, and doing this investigating, say, using the Bible. I eventually became Muslim. Yes. What year was a set? This was in March of 9696. Right. And what happened was, Dr. aalam, invited me to
talk to him and Abu Bakar mosque
here in Houston. And I went, and I really wasn't that interested. In fact, the only question I asked him the whole time that he was there that I was talking to him or visiting with him, was I asked him says, Is Prophet Muhammad, the prophet as you would find in you know, the Bible? And he said, Yes. Well,
in my opinion, I didn't think that he was, but I was going to investigate, because now I had all that I needed to make an investigation. So I simply went home, got my old testament, they ran down the different proofs, listen, the Old Testament as to what defines a prophet, as they are defined in the Old Testament, then I went out to make an investigation of Prophet Muhammad. And, to my great surprise, he fit the criteria. Then, I was interested, I had my attention. I got the translations of the Quran. And over a two week period, I read both of them I read one translation and the other one. And I felt this strong portion, you know, become a Muslim, but I did not want to become a Muslim. I
said to myself, I can find just one good reason not to become a Muslim, I will not become a Muslim. And so I spent three months trying to find some good reason not to become a Muslim based on what I know, I felt that I had to become a Muslim. And so that's why I'm a Muslim. You get sometimes people
reacting in a way, like when you tell them you're Muslim? What kind of responses? Do you get to say it? Come on you kid me.
know, quite often, they might think that it's unusual. They think it's unusual to be a Muslim, you simply tell them that essentially, what
Islam teaches what all the prophets taught was make Gods central to your life, then you either show or you prove it by taking care of your fellow human being. And if you say, for instance, check out the Gospels in the New Testament, you'll see that essentially, in wherever your different portions that you look, Jesus told people to love God, fear God obey God, add them all together, they mean, they essentially add up to making God central to your life. And then you are to show or prove that this is so right, while you're taking care of your fellow creature, and Islam does the same thing. If you go to the mosque, listen to the Amman and see if essentially what his message that he gives,
you know, Friday after Friday as my god central to life and take every phone creature.
Why do you think this is usually when we explain to someone without even saying Islam, or we explain the tenets of Islam, that Islam cause you to worship none but the creator to set up? No, partners with him only, like you said, Make that the central key point and all your worship only God, and to believe in all the messengers of God, and the Day of Judgment, accountability and to establish good character in your life to do good. You know, people are like they can relate to this. But as soon as you put Islam in front of it, there's a problem. Why do you think this is? It's simply because I would, because they would associate the word Islam as something being different or foreign.
But in effect, the word simply ultimately means submission to God, which is what Christianity and say Judas and teach that you should submit to God. Tell us what would you do? How would you respond to me, we've seen some in the media, you know, you're coming out of a mosque or Masjid or an event and, you know, a family gathering. And then outside of the mosque, you had someone holding a sign saying, Go back home?
patriotic American Constitution?
How would you respond to this?
If I go back home, I go to Houston, because Houston is my home. I was born here in Texas. So if I go back home, that's where I go back home. Yeah. And submission to God is universal message. So wherever a person lives or creature lives, that's their home. Yeah. And in other words, submission to God is something that should be done regardless of where
person is, how's your relationship with Jesus. Now, as opposed to then,
if you read the New Testament, and you simply don't know what's going on, you find a character that you believe intended, good, but is very mixed up.
And that would be the view of Jesus. Now, now with Islam, you can then understand what Jesus was about, which was, essentially he believed that it was his role from God to show Israel how to be the example for the world to follow in submission to God and taking care of their fellow creature. And eventually, when he felt that he was rejected by Israel, if you check, say, for instance, Matthew 2143.
He told the leaders of the Jewish community that the kingdom of God should be taken from them and given to another nation or
our community that would in fact, do what they were told to do. And then for instance, if you check, john, you'll see that there was
To come, a comforter, who would be a perfect guide? A
lot of Christians, for instance, might say that this refers to God the Holy Spirit. But then again, if you check the same source, you see that this computer had to be told what to do. Now there's he didn't speak of himself he spoke, but someone else told him. In other words, he could hardly be a God. He doesn't know what to say, or has to have someone tell him what to say. You've written a book called The Last Christian. Yes. What's this book primarily focused on? Okay? It it isn't. The theme that it is involved in is trying to differentiate the Jesus of history, the person who actually walked the earth and the Jesus of faith. The first half the book is largely concerned with trying to
explore how the Jesus of faith came to be. The second half is trying to put together the Jesus of history. The book is called the last Christian because Jesus, the historical character, you know, is not the same as the Jesus of faith. So in that sense, he's as Christian also problem you have in trying to reconstruct the historical Jesus is you can find indications or you can find things that indicate what the historical character was. But very often, you can say, Well, I know I got something here, but it's hard for me to say how firm it is. So it'd be much like a building a structure or house where say, Well, I know I got a piece of straw here, this piece of wood, I even
think I have a board here. And that's an essence This is less Christian because you can't completely reconstruct the historical Jesus. Now, what you do find is that all the indications of the historical Jesus do not conform with the Jesus of faith, you know,
amazing. We're gonna we're gonna take a break, and then we're going to take some questions from our live audience when we come back. Okay. We'll be right back here with more here on the deen show.
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Clear out your mind in your heart of hatred,
and preconceived notions, racism and nationalism. Because you cannot have anything inside of you that like that against people and still be successful.
Welcome back to the deen show. And we're here with the author of the last Christian David. Mr. David, thank you again for being with us. We're gonna go ahead. We're here in Texas, y'all. And we're going to go ahead and get some questions from the live studio audience here in the DC Don't follow me. All right. It's not the Oprah show. This is the Jean show. And we have our brother with jarhead.
Please step up. Here's
a question for David.
Yes, David salaam aleikum.
Within the 50 years, as I hear, you have extensive history in regards to speaking to people about God in the message of God. How did that differ whenever you embraced Islam?
It's very rare that we actually see Muslims going to places and, you know, knocking on people's doors or kind of doing the sort of kind of evangelical work, let's say, Do you find that it's a bit different now to talk about God, or the format? And not necessarily going to the people maybe like you had in the past? How did that change? How do you deal with that? Now, a big difference, if you're going to be like a Christian missionary, or preacher and that sort of thing. When you talk about God, you're primarily talking to people because you want to get them into heaven, because you want them to believe in the divine sacrifice, God's divine Son, when you're talking to people in
Islam, you're trying to
tell them the message of all the prophets, which is also the message of Jesus, that they should make Gods central to life and they should show or prove it by taking care of their fellow human being. And you would then
when you talk about Islam, you would simply tell them that essentially what you have in Islam is you have a tried and proven living community that has done just that, that has a record of how to do that. And that is what you speak about. You speak about Islam. Thank you.
We're gonna go move on to the next question.
young young brother, please come up, step up here and go ahead and ask you a question. to
David. Go ahead. I saw Michael.
I heard there is an Old Testament recording that says to tell to be able to distinguish a true prophet and a false prophet and the False Prophet, are we one who tells false prophecies they prophesize about something that doesn't come true. Now. So we have this issue or this conflict of the teachings of Paul and Jesus
Christ peace be upon them.
What are some of the prophecies of Paul? And did they come true? Okay.
at some time, during Jesus's
time on Earth, his ministry, he came to the conclusion that Israel was not going to accept Him as their Messiah. And He then said, according to say, Matthew 2143, that God's kingdom would be taken from Israel, and would be given to another nation or another community that in fact, would do what they're told to do. Now, Paul, who would either it was either who was Jewish scholar, or partisan or zealot, this didn't go down very well with them.
According to the record, as one finds it in the New Testament, he first was a persecutor people who follow Jesus, then he had a nervous breakdown. And after his nervous breakdown, he said that Jesus came to him in a series of visions and dreams, and he told them, you know, his message, and you find that in this message,
you have a different Jesus from all the indications of the Jesus who actually walked the earth. Now, Paul, the thing remember about Paul is at Paul said, Everything he taught or preached or believed, or said or did came from Jesus. Now, in two occasions, for example, Book of First Corinthians chapter seven, Paul tells the people that Jesus is time that he's going to be coming back is so short, doesn't matter that if they rejoice, don't rejoice, marry, marry, or don't marry, buy or don't buy doesn't matter. Now, this is 1900 years ago, this didn't happen, you'll find in the fourth chapter of First Thessalonians, that he was telling his audience that people from Nestle, that
before everybody, there was dead, Jesus was coming back, this didn't happen. Now, remember, he said that Jesus told him everything that would happen in the future. And Paul, certainly at some time, during his lifetime, believe that Jesus was God. So Paul was saying that God told him this and that it didn't happen. So either you should believe God told him this or letters Paul making a mistake. And where this is a test of a prophet is you'll find in Deuteronomy, chapter 18. It says, at a profit, if he's if he speaks in the name of God, and He tells you something's going to happen doesn't happen. It's a false prophet gave a false prophecy. And don't listen to him. Here in Texas.
Thank you very much. And we're gonna go to the next we have time for one more question. Young man, young man, please come up and ask you a question.
So now when it comes to the we hold on before you start you were in Texas, I haven't heard nobody say y'all.
How you doing? Now? It's an honor. Yes. You mentioned earlier that some people may see throughout your your time as a Muslim, that people have seen Islam to be foreign.
What are some things that you think that practices that Muslims Muslims can undergo in order to eliminate that? or what have you seen through your lifestyle that Muslims have practiced or that the perception had been from non Muslims concerning this? Okay? The question of perception is you, you have a community that is distinct, or different, and Muslims should just simply concentrate on being if they're distinct or different and being distinct or different in a good way, which is what Muslims are supposed to do. Supposed to make God central to life and take care of their fellow human being.
And as long as they practice that
are fine, check with him. Thank you very much. And that is it for now. We're gonna take a break. And we're gonna be back with more. here live. The Dean show in Texas. Y'all sit tight.
I'm not afraid.
I am not afraid.
Going to worship something. I figured I might as well worship the creator instead of any of the creations.
Now it upon investigating the villages, I remember finding out the meaning of what Islam is what a Muslim is. Those who surrender their self to God is almost those who cement that submit to God, God's will that Islam was pure, it was just, you just pray to God your Creator.
Back here on a D show live in Texas. And we're here with David, the author of the last Christian. We have a few more minutes before the show comes to. And and I have just a few more points I want to cover. Did you get a chance to watch these senate hearings with the Pepe King peter king? only for a few minutes? Yeah, I really didn't get to watch that much of it. They were
coming together, discussing the radicalization of youth. So basically, when you see some of the politicians who are really supposed to be working to create understanding, you know, between the people bringing people together, but we really want the politicians and people out there to understand us better because maybe they have good intentions, but they miss misunderstanding us. Okay, so, here's, here's what i would i would say, yeah. The question is about whether Muslims are or not good citizens. The Constitution defines what a good citizen is, in a preamble. It says, We, the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice ensure
domestic tranquility, to provide for the common defense to promote the general welfare to secure for ourselves and our posterity. The blessings of liberties do establish and ordained this constitution United States, any Muslim they can say that as a good Muslim. And most Muslims can say that most Muslims will embrace it. Most Muslims are good Americans. That's right. I like that. Mashallah. So before we come to an end, tell us now where can people if they want to read your book, The Last Christian, where can they get this? Okay?
simply remember the title last Christian go online, you can go to either amazon.com or Barnes and Noble. The people who actually published his book, our author house, like I'm the author, and I live in house, author house, go online, they sell the book as well. They also sell it as an E book. Hopefully a Texas company, Texas, global traders will also soon be selling the book. It's remember my name, David Goggin, and the title less Christian and you can simply buy it online, it'd be the quickest, easiest way to do it. I like to thank you and any closing comments, for those who are out there, and the way of life that they're living? They're not happy with it's confusing, and they want
to step out of the confusion. And they're just a little bit timid, you know, culture class, sometimes they see Muslims as people who they just can't identify with, but they can identify with Islam. What advice do you have for
Islam, if it's practice, we're supposed to be means peace, it also means the best form of life. And others if a person makes God the center of their life, and by doing so they take care of their fellow human being. They make the world a better place. And that is what Islam is all about. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. May God Almighty the creator award you for being with us. Thank you so much. And thank you, again for tuning in to another episode of the deen show. You might not like spicy food, neither do I. You might not like dressing a certain way you like dressing your way, as long as in a modest way. Don't worry about it. You can do it. In Islam. It's all good. As long as
it's pleasing to the creator that heavens in the earth. And as you heard our guests say, making God the central point in your life, just worshiping God, not worshipping Jesus, not worshiping statues, icons, idols, monkeys, elephants, none of these things, only worshiping the creator and doing good, doing good to your neighbor, doing good to your parents, doing good to your fellow brothers and sisters in humanity. This is what Islam is about. And you met an American. You met an American we've interviewed Romanians, Hispanics, Islam is the fastest growing way of life in the world. And thank you for coming to the source to learn about the most misunderstood yet fastest growing way of life
in the world, Islam practiced by over 1.5 billion. You could be a Muslim too. You can be a Muslim too, because a Muslim is simply one who takes that free choice that they have of either submitting to the creation of God or submitting to God and you know what the right thing to do is submit to the one Jesus submitted to that's the one God the one create tour and do good deeds do righteousness. And this is what Islam is calling you to get a free copy of the Quran call the number on the screen one 800 662 Islam, read the verbatim Word of God.
And continue to come back here to the deen show. Until next time, we started with people we end with peace, peace be unto you
see what everyone's talking about. You find one contradiction, it can't be from God.
But the rational idea the rational explanation is you do your best you love worshiping God is why I will never give up spreading this message. I hope that you take the unnecessary step. You don't know if you're gonna live till tomorrow.
So you got to find that urgency.
Do the right thing right now.
If you say that you and I believe in Jesus you have stepped outside of Islam you cannot be a Muslim as a 10 in our faith to
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