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Hello Milena Taha Kiran, now I'm going to give chef Dr Husseini 10 minutes to respond where after the final 10 minutes will be, again by Mallanna Gan
Similan Rahmani Raheem.
If the set of our debate is that any book I mentioned or any move faster or any more hot this from the word of Allah, sunnah I introduced at the pro level bait figure, then it immediately he becomes Shia, then really, that's something which I have to introduce more of them, I have to call all the books here for all of them to become Shia overnight. That's not I think the right way to deal with with with Hadees and authenticity of the Hadees and the second thing is the issue of Iran, which has been mentioned in MOU riddled Mohalla one to this to do this and wish to do this the wish of Allah is to type of wish
we have in order to take Renea and we have in order to touch the ear.
In order to touch the ear is what the brother mentioned.
My urge element harridge
Where you redo Leotta Hara calm Allah doesn't want to put difficulties on you. Allah wants you to become purified.
One wants you to perfect yourself. We want Allah Allah subhanho wa Taala wants you to reach to him that is in order to touch to hear but rather to tech via tech veneer is what Allah subhanho wa Taala in Nevada and Hakuna che and for your Gula who can for your code, that is telephony, Allah one day is to be there he says Be and it will be Allah who want the man to be created Allah want to purify you he can purify you with no doubt Allah has purified a lot of profits before and Allah has purified his own profit and loss messenger that's not the first thing which has been done Allah has done that before that is another thing
okay now that you accept that this with this particular waves is revealed about 100 beta a masala which is Fatima Hassan and Hussein and Ally now Either you accept that the wives are excluded
or you still emphasize that the wife saw included I just yes or no
you you still accept that the wives are included with ARIA we in that portion are not the wives are included by virtue of the third theme of the Quran. Okay, that's good. So I got my answer. So it's not only for animal bait for what we believe so we have now additions that we have now to deal with it.
The other idea with the brother mentioned that Allah wants to purify you before that word
that hola Leotta Hara calm the word Ma has been used mark what is Ma meaning water? What is waterfall for cleaning?
The Utah hirako What is that? It's rich. Of Zahedi yoga two types of rich. One is rich society which can be cleaned by water. Okay, you are who you are but you've got blood in your hand you got your hand is not okay it's not clean. You go to the toilet you wash your hand by soap. This is water to purify you.
Because in that higher the word ma Allah and Allah Allah Allah Hollyweird water Leotta Hara come Allah wants you to clean yourself with this water. When you go to toilet don't use tissue use this one. That's the mean. That's one
Okay, one thing which came very good out of the mouths of the brother which I'm very happy with that. This is actually the purification of annual beta ln was Salam is what acceptance of the prayer of Prophet
listen to this very carefully before the I revealed to the Prophet, Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam get us this for people under the clock.
And then he says hola hola Hello the Alabama ha Hello rate. These are my
household hola hola. Houma adds the banhammer rich oil I want you to purify them but you to hit a home Title Allah want you to make them purified in a special manner. This is the prayer of Allah subhanho wa taala.
Now, immediately when Allah when Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam pray here we have gotten accepted pray. Allah says in mo you read all law only use Hebrew and commercial bait what you asked. Yeah,
had it i purified
and purified them. If you believe
that this AI is not the unself Allah to the prayer of the Prophet,
then it is something wrong with our Nabhi criminals of Allah, that he asked something from Allah and Allah did not give him. Allah says, Hey, I'm giving you, you know, still they must work hard to become purified. If this is not the answer of Allah to the prayer of the Prophet,
then sorry, Allah did not have that favor to the hidden granting division. That's another thing.
i is, in order to touch the IE,
let them purify themselves, let them do good things.
In that stop for 100 vital him Salam Ali, it's not only for the wives of the Prophet, it's not for the five people. It's for you, for me for everyone. So why Allah must have so much emphasis, to bring come instead of Connor to make three time emphasize on on touch here, the US Heyburn commodity salal bait where you come and then touch the end. And then this is acceptance of the Prophet prayer and the Prophet must go out of his way to pray for his his family and that prayer is not also acceptable. I mean, this has completely become a ridiculous story.
Now why Allah subhanho wa taala?
That's a good question that the brother rice, and I want to emphasize on that. And he also said that this idea was added
into that portion by the Prophet sallallahu wasallam supervision.
So the place that this idea was revealed actually was some other times when the wife of the Prophet were not there
18 years later,
10 years, maybe 18 months before the demise of the prophet but we're currently Rafi Bucha Khanna has been revealed when
on the fourth year of hedgerows, how many distance between them some of those wipes out is still there, even to be a part of this. That's another one.
The other thing is now let us see from a historical point of view, which of these two cities is going to work? The idea includes wife's exclude wives, which of them is going to be now working in a practical term over there in the field.
Okay, according to this idea, if Alan bate, and wives are all together, purified then it doesn't work because we have incidents that are handled by Italy masala, like Ali was fighting with another Hello bait, which is Aisha
and Ali was the one who killed a lot of Sahaba zubaid was killed in the war with Ali. And when Ali was killing him, he was very sorry for the man that the sword fight a lot for Islam, and now I'm killing him.
Now here, I share one Sahaba according to Sunni brothers, and here we are got aliannah The Sahaba conflicting, what's purification for way the purification?
Okay, so definitely one of them is purified and the other one is not there. And if you go to the history of Islam, you will know you will not find one place of rich in 100 Beta li Muslim in the entire history of Islam, but you find a lot of rich with the other ones, which is not included in this if one of them is to launch war against the Imam of your time, the leader of your time.
Okay, one of them is to distribute sweet when Ali when Aisha heard that Ali is dead. Okay, so these are the things that we have to really realize. And then the other thing very strange. The brother mentioned about animal bait with a with a family of Hazrat Ibrahim alayhis salam is included but we have 345 Not what our six is in Quran which wives of the prophets are not included.
With an old bait now one of them is
when the Luton Milan mursaleen is not j no Hoover Allahu
Illa Jews and Phil Robertson, which is the wife of loot, a prophet of Allah subhanaw taala law no further turbina one of them are prophets of Allah and here there is the wife of a prophet which is excluded. Allah says He is not your idol. Okay, we have saved the family and they are handled bait of loot, enlighten on
Neither wife was not saved. So he's not a part of animal bait because he's not.
The thing is also in the other verse with we're 65 Sorry, chapter 65 Verse 15. Again we read your loot and then continuation for SCB and we can allocate time and Elaine Vula yell takhat mihama had an inline raw attack so interpret
sorry inline Brightech again we have got who I am not a Hafiz I'm not the office I don't claim that I can I am also as the brother says if zahavi can make so big mistakes of adding 200 verse in Quran and cannot be condemned Husseini with a small knowledge that he has got it cannot become okay.
Okay. So, one minute
I think in the beginning, I made it clear that we will not in any way insult the speakers, whichever one of them when they are speaking.
If they make a mistake in pronouncing or re citation, so be it, we can correct that but I don't think it's behaving us to ridicule anyone, okay. Please. And then we have also story of hazards in New Orleans salaam, another prophet of Allah subhanho wa taala, another new herb
an evening many,
my son is my
evening, my son, not wife, my son begotten Son, Minnelli save him also, all your new in who lay Sam in Alec, he is not your ad. Why? Because the word and in terminology of Quran is used for those people who has got similarities from morality point of view to the prophets. So if you are from that point of view, according to their morality, then you will be considered considered their al even if you are not his son.
Even if you're not his wife, like consenting Salmaan Prophet says Salmaan Mina Ahlulbayt. Because similarity with a spirituality,
okay. But when you don't have that one, no matter who you are, even if you are his wife, you are not going to be considered his and we have a lot of incidents, that the wives of the Prophet cannot be considered a little bit because of those problems.
Like for example, we have another idea here, that Prophet himself has differentiated between 100 beta and his wife's in kandalama.
Chapter sorry, the volume seven page 118 In our law manual, how can you Mina Hello Beatty and to Fatima, the first person who will join me in the day of judgment from my Atmel bait is you Viva la man y'all have any men as well gee, Xena, and from my wife's will be Xena. This is also another one. The whole system of purification of animal beta Leymah Salamis for a reason? What is that reason? Because the same prophet once is going to say something and that's what I am leaving teaching behind which it will be the topic of my next discussion. Mine leading to thing behind one is Quran which is purified we know and what is the other one
sunnah tea or elevated? That's what we are going to prove about it. Okay, if it is 70 or 180, I'll talk about that one. But I will prove to you that Prophet sallallahu wasallam did not say so naughty, but he said Mr. Beatty, and because of that reason, ALLAH SubhanA wa Taala is purifying animal baits because Allah needs them to teach the same Quran and lead us toward the life path.
Thank you, Chef Hussaini. Now, his Eminence Miranda Kiran will respond
Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah while early he or Saudi woman who Allah.
Allah Tala were in the loop or laminal mursaleen the Jaina who Allah who urged marine Illa Jews and fill Hobbit in Subhan Allah, we have another misunderstanding here. When Allah Tala had said that, even that Jaina who were Allah who urged Marine.
When remember Luth Allah Allah says when we saved him, and he's a hull, we saved him and his family. My question is, just look at this part of the IRA. We saved him and his family, does that include his wife or does it not include his wife? Just Stoptober? Would it include his wife? He doesn't include his wife? If it does include his wife, if it does include it does not include his wife, like said Abdullah Husseini is saying, then why should Allah say except his wife? Why must you make an exception if something is already include
Who did why must an exception be made? Exactly for the reason that URL does include wife?
Allah Allah, Allah Allah Allah also says about no
no ask Allah Tala to save his son
when other no horrible Sakala
or other the part of the audio which said Abdullah has any quote it was called a no in no lace. I mean Ehrlich knows made a statement in the Bunnymen early does not know his language doesn't know his language. Does he know that URL does include his son he knows it includes his son. But the issue here is Allah Tala tells him then he is not your son, he is not your son for which reason for inharmonious Allah He has committed bad deeds. He has committed bad deeds. So they because of an E stiff Na is tetanus and Arabic word I have to translate it to you. It means an exception. Once an exception has been made that it excludes it from what has been mentioned previously. The I always
said Abdullah mention the first one in the laminal mousseline doesn't prove what he is trying to say it's proof what I'm trying to say that as far as the Arabic language is concerned, the word Al does include a wife unless Allah Allah says he doesn't like he said in the case of law he doesn't know he's the law the law see the same in this case no Allah Tala order that I had to be put into a specific place, Allah Allah, the diet will be put there.
Come back to another point. Aside from that said, Abdullah has mentioned a Hadith from Cancellara ml. I don't know how adept he is in a science of Hadith. But kansal on ML is not an authentic book. It is merely a collection of other books a secondary book, which gives source which give reference to earlier sources. And that's where you're going to have to go to authenticate this particular thing to particular, authenticate this hadith, so unfortunately, I cannot be forced to accept this hadith. If said Abdullah is not able to prove to me the authenticity of the Hadith, he hasn't even produced the reference of the Hadith. GONZALO mille is a list it gives references to earlier
sources. In those earliest sources, the Hadith appears in a way in which the authenticity can then be ascertain just merely quoting a hadith out of without giving references without stating the authenticity, the origin of it, that won't help us much. So that doesn't prove any point unfortunately. Right. We go on the issue of reads vahidi and result in the eye of the other the eye of the albedo, he says that it doesn't refer to a Tarquini
sort of purification. He hasn't translated the word McQueeney for us, we leave it for him to translate it and the other one is a tertiary that too I will leave for him to translate but
on what grounds does he say that this idea is a different sort of thought here than the previous than the the one that has up on what grounds? Are the arbitrary grounds arbitrary means it is so because I say so. Is it for that reason, or any real reason? No, he's given the reason. His reason is that the word water is mentioned in water is used for purifying I mean normal kinds of you as he mentioned, you go to the toilet you wash your hands and I'm asking What relation does going to toilet and washing your hands app with a special favor which Allah Tala show to the honorable? Allah Allah says he mentioned this as a special favor, he tells him if you or she commoners, remember when
was the sleep cover came over? You were Eunice Ilana eco Mina summer Eema. And Leo Bahia Lacombe and he seemed watered down for you to wash your hands when you go to toilet. No,
that water is not this normal water we just pick up. This is a special sort of water which was sent down for who for this.
This hasn't got to do with any normal kind of water which you and I use to wash my hands when it is dirty or filthy or something like that. If those are the grounds upon which he seeks to make this either
a tertiary or one as opposed to the Queenie one of the previous one, then I will have to beg to differ. I would have to beg to differ. Allah Tala doesn't mention a
lot of us has mentioned the water to the water to wash their hands when they go to toilet as a special favor. That's obvious. I think every reasonable person could understand that. Then the entire division between Tarquinia and tertiary. What is he based upon? Where does it come from? Is it a is it based upon an something from the Quran? Is it based upon something from the Sunnah? Or is it based upon a figment of our own imagination? Where did we get it from? Allah Allah says, on one hand, you're the hero. On the other hand, you're the hero Come, now I find myself in a difficult position. I can't say the same is a that is it. So I make a explanation say that one is for
different kind, you see, and this one is for a different kind, and on what grounds on grounds such as this, I'm sorry, again, I will not be able to agree with this kind of, of,
of interpretation. The words of Allah, Allah the moment we subjected the words of Allah, Allah, the Quran, to this sort of interpretations in you and I can do practically just what we want to interpret the words as we want to, we cannot do that.
Come back to the dua of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam did we the other sunnah well gemera ever say that Allah Allah Allah rejected this dua of the NABI SallAllahu ala Maha Allah. We never said so. We didn't say that Allah Allah Allah, Allah Tala rejected the DUA, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, what we do see is that your understanding of the theme and our understanding of that here differ. We you understand not here to mean what to mean complete infallibility.
We don't understand it to mean complete infallibility. We don't mean understand it to me 100% Complete, why does it have to mean that we save is going to mean that it has to mean it in the other cases, because we have already discount from my particular angle it is we've already discounted the grounds upon which you distinguish between the one top here and the other top here. That grounds is a figment of your imagination, as far as we are concerned. So yes, Allah Allah did answer the property of a prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, he didn't answer that prayer on that prayer. However, on that tree, I would want to ask another question.
Worthy a halal bait free from reads, since they were born, or from that day onwards, whether infallible from the time that they were born, or did it only happened on that day on the date which said Abdullah, as mentioned, if they were born, immaculate and infallible,
as prophets are born immaculate and infallible, then why the need for a specific kind of Tata at this moment, if they were not born immaculate and infallible, if they were fallible, if they were subject to sin, and subject to mistake and subject to all of those other things all along, then only can we have a need now, we're taught to you should take place, but if they were not subject to all along then what is the need for having a special purification ceremony? If something is pure, why purify it? Okay.
Thank you. We are also going to be making provision for question and answer and therefore, we're going to round up with this subject. So I'm going to allow the speakers a further six minutes each six minutes I repeat six minutes each we're after we'll break for question and answer Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim, the brother is asking me that I must give him an authentic hadith and he has forgotten that I have already given him is a Muslim as an authentic book or not. In Bob chapter, I will bet I mentioned this very clearly. And I share that he said that she said that courage rasool Allah Dalton Valley him Martin Magellan Minh Sharon Aswad he had a quote out of hay of whatever.
Fajr al Hassan Hassan came he entered him under the kissa
some major Al Hussein Hussein came he entered him Hello Allah under the kisser.
Sama jar Fatima Jha at Fatima fat Hello, hello tattle kissa so my jaw Ali fat Hello Who sama calm. Then he says
hola Houma and hip and Homer rich Bata Hill home that Hera and then after that, the prayer of the Prophet was accepted and Allah purified the acceptance of the prayer of the Prophet This is not initially a book it's a Muslim. Another one how Kim in mustard like also has brought the same Hadith but has got a continuation there that Omnicell Lama says
he comes to the Prophet says, you say Oh ALLAH purify animal bait and then the idea came in nama you read Allah the youth huband como Risa halaal beta Hera contact Hera. I am not your animal bait,
mustard Raechel hockey.
Okay. This is not a shear book is authentic book. He says, Prophet answers and to Allah hate. You are a good woman waha Allah Allah Beatty these are my household which Allah purify them. How come in that in that book says hello Hardison side
beside him during monsoon beside him Timothy in Managua, halal bait beside him, Mohammed humble in Messina, and also as Baba Missoula Walker, the showerhead to Tanzeem is a Shia guy so I don't even bother to tell you about. They all saying authentic books of our Sunni brothers says He that
Prophet profit differentiated between animal bait and as much here only selama combs want to become a member of animal bait. He says you're good, but you are not a part of 100 bait and bait is those people which I have asked Allah to purify them. So that is very much important for us to realize this.
So it's not only kandalama that is lots of stacks of Hadith and I'm coming to that when it comes to the the authenticity of the Hadith
have a handle bait and Quran which is the supply.
The other thing which was also discussed that the brother says that how I am saying that era of Allah in this world is tacky, we need tacky we need Allah, creative will of Allah that is takhini. Allah wants to create errors, he makes it harder to track we need the errors will be there. He make create a will of the alphabet to be purified, accepted the prayer of the Prophet and it will be the
fleshly in order to touch the ease or Allah wish everyone to be guided in the right path. So that is very much clear in order of Allah in this verse is definitely 100% Tarquini because it is acceptance of the prayer of the Prophet.
And immediately when you say this is not what
Allah accept it, it's just something for them to practice and purify for them later, then prophet of Allah's prayer is not unset and that is something which we cannot believe with the state of the Prophet to be done. That's one. And secondly, when the brothers say that special water which has been revealed on the day of battle for them to mean only that water purifies
is not only that water, so why we go to toilet and wash why we must make muslin Buzu. So this water also purifies so that the coming of that word ma NS Allah Allah Allah has revealed water for you to purify yourself. It's very clear evidence that Allah wants to tell us put us under obligation that day, I have given you water, thank me for it, and purify purify yourself using this module.
And then yes, we believe we believe that here in this ayah is all type of rich should be purified from 100 bed they should not have no sin and no mistake. That's exactly what we believe. We believe in ismat of annual beta mo Salaam and them to be authority after the Prophet because Allah purifies them not from physical rich.
You are telling me that the animal Vitalii him was salam had physical rich side some I don't know dust or some
I don't know say spam or blood or something was when their hands are closed or something Allah said hey purify yourself, zahavi Physical rich, Allah wants to purify animal bait from physical rich that cannot be the meaning of this idea. So definitely Allah wants to purify animal beta spritual PDF purification,
any any mistake immediately when you commit a slight mistake to that extent you will not be purified.
Okay, and that's exactly what the meaning of is Allah wished to purify the halal bait to use them as a reference after the Prophet sallallahu wasallam as Prophet in a motivator Hadees which I'll prove after this says that I am leaving two things behind one is Quran and the other one is an old beta limosa.
Maulana Quran to respond for eight minutes,
Manuel Rahim said Abdullah has wasted some of his time.
The reason I say so because I never questioned a Hadith from sahih. Muslim. I never questioned I questioned the Hadith, which he quoted from kansal normal, a woman who called him in early but at Fatima, did he give us a reference for that particular that was a hadith which I question, not the other Hadith I had in my previous address in the very beginning of my previous research, we accept this hadith. So what's the point of stating to me again, I'm sorry, sir, you've lost some of your time on that one. You haven't still proven to me that you're hottie. Oh, well, no money will happen immediately by default. You haven't given me a reliable reference for that one. Keep that in mind.
On the point of Hakeem has Kenny, it wasn't I you said the guys this year he it was the hub you said is he I invoked historical authority for this particular one. If you're not put it down to my tab, you do so at your own expense I have given you I have given you proof of the historical proof of the fact that this person doesn't belong to our camp. The hubby says he belongs to your camp. You haven't given me up to now yet proof of the fact that he belongs to this camp in fact, but that point, really I mean, we've strained it beyond
Oh, I'm sorry.
We come back to the point of the Unabomber. This water that was sent out is this I come back to the point again is this normal water that was sent down, said Allah said Abdullah asks the question does only this water purify? I say this water purifies in this particular way. This particular water purifies in the way which Allah Tala intended
For the allopathic to be purified, as for all of the rest of people, for me and you when I take this water and wash my hands with it, that's a different purification. But you must look at the context in which Allah Tala mentioned this purification of the mother. I'm asking does Allah Tala speak incoherently? Does he speak sensibly? Or does does? Does Allah not make sense? If I mentioned that I've given you a very great favor? I've given you a very great favor. I've given you a free haircut at the barber what a great thing it is. Is that something special? Allah Allah mentioned this to the onobasulu is praising in this particular context here. He says he has sinned down this water to
purify you, can you be telling them something as mundane as water that purifies my hands after I come out of the toilet? This point hasn't been answered yet. I will restrict myself to that.
I will now ask Sheikh Husseini to speak for the final five minutes we're after, when Anna Kieran will round up the subject for another five minutes and then we go into question dances.
If the brother doesn't want to accept that hadith, which are given from kansal Omar fine, he has got the authority not to accept it. But what is the answer for the other Hadith says which I have narrated from Muslim and the mustard and hug him, and mustard rock and other ones, which actually in those Hadith says the wives of the Prophet or x cluded. And I have given the references he can go and check. And please give me the answer for those authentic ones. If candle Amal is not authentic one, because the subject are the same, we want to exclude the wives of the prophet from the yacht. And all of the Hadith says the same. So that is not acceptable. Bismillah is a Muslim is not
acceptable. So that's another thing which my question now is not really he's not uncertain. So the other thing, which is very much important for us to know, that all of those people among some new world, which they believe
the wives of the Prophet are included in this, if all of them, fortunately, has been condemned by the Sunni authorities in their own books, I'll give you some example.
And all of okay, I'm on day on Sunday and the Silsila of those Hadith says, we have got somebody called achromat
which all of the all Mia ritual has condemned him as a person who is Lazar and the other one is Salah, Hypno Musa,
which also is one of the person who has fabricated a lot of Hadees and is very strange, there is two book which is compiled by the Sunni
very good researcher or Lamas
one of them is L mu RT
you know, what's the meaning of Al Mossad, fabricated had thesis, three volume printed not in Iran but in Cairo.
From A to Zed of this three volume is all fabricated hadith is narrated in the Sunni sources. One of this book is written by jalala Dean Muhammad zooty, the author of the written monsoon, and the other one is written by ebony Josie which the name is Allah al must new
fill a Hadees in Mozilla,
it's also come combination and compile of all had the pieces which in those books has been gathered all fabricated hypothesis, he says the name is fabricated hypothesis. And if you go and you find and you read those books, it will be mind blowing. Because a lot of Hadith says that you hear there is written and it's compiled de and it is included the one of them is as how we can assume that inshallah we will talk about it on its time when it's time of Sahaba. So that's one of
those people who also come and say that the wife of the island bait or Inc, a wife of the Prophet is included in it higher, they have got another reason they say under that clock, it was not only four people
it was the other four or five by four wives of the Prophet
and also the other children of Prophet
anyone I counted them something like 35 people under one clock
cannot be logical.
If you go to the sources, and if you become somebody that really out of your sincerity you want to just purely for the sake of searching the truth. You want to go and you have research based on the books of algebra.
As we have proved and we give you evidence from Muslim, not one place over
something like nine is on one subject that the wives are excluded.
So what is the answer for them? Muslims says wives are not excluded. And now we are emphasizing that why Saudi Muslim says wives are not included and we are trying our her best to put them in. I mean, for what reason? Well, Quran differentiate between come and connect in the two sets of yet completely revealed in the two parts of the world of time. And then Allah subhanho wa Taala says, I purified this people, and then we want to now distort the meaning and give it other things while Zahara is very clear evidence that Allah wants to purify them, because our Prophet has asked for and here is the answer to the prayer of Prophet I purified them and obeyed who is a little bit Sahih
Muslim says it is only for people. Thank you shukran now to give his final word and comments, Mala Quran. Forgive me if you've been seeing me smiling. Forgive me for that. But certain statements were really ludicrous. And certain statements were basically false.
Or a Kadima
or I heard a statement that was made now that a crema has been declared a kava that means a photo of Hadith by all the Allama of Hadith. I have a very good friend who is present in the mage Marissa, Maulana Muhammad is Ha he's a hadith Masha Allah
and he can vouch for what I say now.
That a crema was not declared the Cadabra although Allama of Hadith, that is a that is not a true statement. Secondly, all of those are hottie that claimed that you were 35 and 45. How many people are under the those are Hadith came from equal to two books, Elmo hat and Olalekan was Nora. But Moldova he mentioned that Moloch was written by CLT and Earl must know or was written by Josie it is the other way around gentleman, Allah al must know was written by so yo T and L moto RT was written by Josie so I asked the question has this man look at the book
sha Allah that He that is that doesn't make sense to me.
Anyway, the other part I made a note of it previously and I didn't come to it said Abdullah mentioned something he says that Sahih Muslim says that you are addressing almost dilemma you are not of my island by Sahih Muslim does not say that. So he Muslims only says aunty Allah Hale in the communist words Rasool Allah that is the wording, said Abdullah's words and I made a note of it and the recordings will prove that what I'm saying is correct. He says you are not part that is not true. So I have Muslim does not say you are not bad. Those are my friends said Abdullah's words. Those are not the words of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam as contained in Sahih Muslim. Those are not
those of us Allah La sala. I'm going to tell you those of us who Allah Salah Salem in Nicaea Allah here in Nicki Minaj rasool Allah, he's asking, she's asking why can I come under the cloth? He says, why would you want to comment that you aren't good? already? You are one of the wives of rasool Allah, which means the sequence of this idea Yeah, already includes you. Why do you still want to be included in this special ceremony for those people who the sequence doesn't say where they come included?
The sequences are included here. So unfortunately, that is the most code I will enlist I will take you to understand that said Abdullah was merely paraphrasing the Hadith, but I want to bring it into your attention that these were not the words of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam, I conclude on that note.
Okay. However, you can still ask questions that are relevant to the topics that were discussed.
The two topics that were discussed first was the roof of Quran, the second one the authority of albite. In other words, the on the second topic, I know distinctly whether the wives are involved in the debate or not. If you want further clarity on these two topics, only on these two topics, and you will have to ask a question directed at one of the two speakers whom you wonder, should answer this question. And make your question very brief. I don't want you to give a lecture, I just want you to ask a simple, straightforward question relevant to either one of the two topics that were discussed with respect and dignity and sit down and listen to the answer. Shukran. Okay, you can ask
a question. Please give your name. When you ask a question. Please give me a name before you ask a question.
The name of
the question I wish to pose is to share Abdullah Hosseini and the question is that he mentioned to be part of the to be part of the family. You must be a person who have similarities and that is modeled somewhere
relatives, is that correct? Yeah. So it means if I tell you according to you, you are telling me that the wives of WA salatu salam are immoral. And they don't have moral similarities. And the Quran tells us I tell you bottle it up, but they will not tell you but I will Sabetha to the US or BC in the muda you practice in Iran and that is hobbies, and the wives of Nabil is to Salam. That is Bo so much we take the words of Allah, how much we take your words that speaks about immortal wives. I mean, that's something I find very strange. Okay.
The answer is very
Yet I have Quran what it says we're Karna fie BeautyCon orders, the wives of the Prophet sit at home. Did Ayesha
in the event of Jamal, fighting with Ali he said
went he went against the text she went against the text of Quran
and I can go ahead hello what I'm saying I call all Aisha Amal Mamrie she's according to Quran as
well as what you who are Mahato
I cannot have the guts to say that they were in purified or they were doing something wrong in that special sense that it will be sin for me or you
okay, that is the thing which they are not purified in the sense that small mistakes even from a person who is purified is not going to be expected in that sense yes, they are not purified those are small mistakes which I and you can make mistakes they will also human being like me like we like the other ones.
They will mistake no problem
that that's that's something which makes you impure and make me impure. But in that texts of Quran Allah subhanho wa Taala talks about is harbor rich.
Okay, is harbor Rich is a special type of purification purification which says Yota Hara contact Hera. Definitely in that sense, the wives of the beta Lima salaam are not excluded. And here, I want to emphasize with brothers say that I have added something to that hadith that is completely long And Alhamdulillah we have got recording facilities that we can rewind, I will give him give her now give him another verse. Another another reference from Muslim 11 in that one, even in that one what I said, very chicks of that hadith says very that very early texts of that hadith says get the
whole reason not it's answer to your question. It is completely answer to your question and her and him also, what I want to emphasize that the wives of the Prophet are not included in that either. So that's answered your question and he also so that's what I'm saying.
Waiting, okay. What I want to emphasize, you ask the question, he answers it, if he doesn't satisfy you, then it is his fault in listeners must consider it to be a flaw or a fault on his part. But however, we cannot engage in a debate nobody from the audience can engage in a debate. If the speaker gives you an answer, you're not happy with it. We can't I wouldn't be able to allow you to sort of engage in a debate whatever the situation is sorry. Okay, in that in that reference, which I have given, it's very clearly says that the wife of profit on masala McShane and she asked him
I am not your al
I haven't added that one. Okay, I am not your
Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam answers her what and Tabby faith does Prophet confirms your man or does Prophet says You are my wife's as brother added to that and we can rewind the tape for for us to be proved that he added that one that Unterman as Waje it's not in this hadith maybe another place but Prophet rejects He ha Rick request to be a part of Al bait by saying and Tala Hain Maha hula he elevated
what is that this is a Muslim. You want another reference from a Muslim Bismillah Rahmani Raheem Bob fissara Halal bait Tila Lizzy didn't come by the Monrovia hottie so Saqlain Mina Hello bait, man, I love it. Who is the animal bait of the Prophet Nyssa? Who chef question chef, I think you have emphasized the point now enough and I think we will go on to the next question. There's going to be coming you have made your point now, it would become sort of very lengthy if you continue any further than that. I'd like to take a question from a public member of the public here. Here this brother here sorry, this brother was before you can you please give the mic to this brother here?
Say this My name is
A question to the Mulan as the Mallanna. You can you concede to the fact that in the Sahaba there is an element of error. Whilst we are discussing the addition of the is of the Quran you consider to that fact that there is error you, you you you don't regard Sahaba as as as Maqsood.
Is that true Muslim? Yes, it is. Okay. Now,
you say in the Shiite tradition, in the shared tradition, there has not been a scale of verification of Hadith for a long time, up until recently, one would ask has that idea done to the Sunni world, that the scale of verification of Hadith to the books called Saheeh books has that same idea down to the to the suit to the Sunni world of the need for scale of verification of Hadith, so that you can exclude those Sahaba who have, you know, like the point of addition of is of the Quran that say no, this is error of the sahaba. It is excluded. But unfortunately, we still find those narrators of those Hadith still included in the essay. So don't you think that in the she in the Sunni tradition
that has not yet started internet to take place the scale of verification of Hadith, the scale of verification, has got to do with two things within an array data integrity plus his abilities
to record accurately and pass it along.
this has come into its own from the earliest days, the development of this particular discipline of Hadith methodology. It happened side by side with Hadith along with a while Hadith was developing Hadith methodology was developing along with it. And you do find cases where people make mistakes and they are corrected by others. But the only time when we will want to reject someone as a narrator and impugn the integrity of someone is a narrator is when he lies and add something which is not really there. And I have told you that those particular yet which you are speaking of, are not additions to the Quran, Allah Allah Allah had revealed certain things and Allah Tala had
repealed certain things. If you do not accept the theory of nurse, then that's a different matter altogether. But if you are implying that those particular Sahaba who said an aisle such as this was revealed, that that person must be rejected purely because of the fact that he says such and such an idea was revealed, then I think, you are basing that on grounds completely different from the grounds that are that are used in Hadith methodology, you it will only be so if that person was fabricating something and ascribing it to Allah Allah was the fabric can you prove to me that he was fabricating and describing to Allah Tala, when Allah Allah Himself says that
he has revealed certain ayat and then two things he has done by the way two things we have been speaking about pneus that point was raised before other point was that sometimes Allah Tala makes a person forgive the idea.
Sorry, it Oh, Nanci ha there are two things together with it. So some Ayat were taken away. Now, do you want to say that that is a willful addition to the Quran? It doesn't necessarily have to be so why would you want to arbitrarily force it to be a willful addition? When we know that there had been ayat which had been repealed by Allah Tala n, n, if we are going to do that, then I'm sorry, but Alabam Jafra Saudi Imam, Muhammad Al Belkin, and all the other 12 Imams will have to reject all of them, because they are Hadith ascribed to each one of these about the issues of the Hadith. So if you want to apply to the Sahaba, you're gonna have to apply to all of these other ones as well.
We'll take a question from there. And then there was a brother early on in the back there. Okay, you can ask the question. monographic. Do I have the right to ask a question of both parties to shift Aha.
Because you have tried to make a similarity of purification between the batteries and the other bait or a masala to Islam?
I'd like you to answer this question then. The Battle of offered the Mujahideen
will also prison at the Battle of battle. However,
some of them fled the battlefield at overt what then is the status of those who fled where they purified? Are they slow purified?
And then the question to say to Cassini are you asking two different questions? It's a different question.
I'm sorry, you only would be allowed to ask one question that therefore I asked him to ask the efficient I thought the same question for both people. No, don't ask that second question. Again.
I have no time implied that one study has taken place or not he will remain forever. The Quran says I will purify but does the Quran say that that purification purification will remain in place forever and ever. I have never implied that it's not here of this have a brother was such a
stuff here, which can never change again. The Quran doesn't say that either. The Quran says that up to that point in time the Quran doesn't say that this will last forever and ever and ever. It just said, to purify them, so to purify them up to there. And then if you want to know about the status of those afflicted or hood, you can look at the Quran, Allah Allah says Welaka half Allahu Anhu that he has forgot the year he has forgiven them. But it knows they did Allah Tala say that they will never ever commit a sin again. But he doesn't imply
the infallibility completely. It's only within the sheer paradigm that it has to mean purification that lasts forever. The wording of the Quran doesn't lend itself to such meaning. And within the Sunni paradigm, at least it doesn't at all, not at all. So therefore those who fled brother, Allah Allah knows the reason why they fled. He says in the 11th hour looming Camille Malta culture man in MS DOS hola como shaytaan will be baldy Makka Cebu, wala cada Allahu Anhu and he has forgiven them. Allah Allah says he has forgiven them. So that is my understanding of the idea, which I believe is supported by the wording of the Quran. And there is no contradiction as far as I am concerned.
To the brother in the back there, give me your name, please. My name is Yahia
and my question is to the to the shader shefa. I just wanted to confirm something before continuous that the the I have regime of stoning was, was was abrogated. Is that true? The stoning which Omar mentioned? You said it was abrogated? Did I speak about the idea of regime or did said Abdullah speak about the idea. Yeah, but you were when you explained that?
What Syed Hussein said, you said because people forgotten I guess Did you mention that? In my quote my question is simply this why is it if it was abrogated, that is Hoko misjudgment continues till today. It has continued and it was never challenged by any of the of the alumni among the Sunnis. Within our paradigm within the Sunni paradigm. We have different forms of NASA, three forms of NASA. We call it nest hotel, our model home nurse Holcomb, Latino our and that's Attila Lal, how come there are cases where the recitation of a thing is abrogated, but the hokum still remains in effect, the hokum still remains in effect. So the Rajim which is there, which has been which is in the
Quran, which has been mentioned there is in effect on account of two things. Number one, the hokum of Allah Tala once upon a time number two, the mutawatir sunnah of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam. So that hasn't been repealed the modality of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam which even the car buy into the car also have the issue of Rajib it's based upon one of the two whichever one falls on you the hokum still remains in effect. The brother on my left here, you state your name, please. My name is Abdul Razak. So my question will be very simple and short. I want to know from Mallanna whether state who you want to know the question, okay.
Now, my question is that
why do the Sunni brothers say she has have their Quran and how they have their own Quran? And uh, where do you get such a statement from? Bismillah AR Rahman AR Rahim, I have never said that this year. I have a different Quran. If you have been following the proceedings this evening, clearly, you will remember that I said there is no different copy of the Quran that the Shia have. But what I can tell you where you get the facts from that the she I do believe that this some of the she has not said Abdullah please understand, not say it Abdullah he doesn't believe in a different Quran. He believes in the same Quran as us. But to come back to your point I need I needed to make that point.
But to come back to the point, some she I do believe that the Quran which we have I quoted from this particular source, which is a key source. And visto stated to me that there are certain things which are deficient in this copy of the Quran that we have, I never stated that the Shia have a different Quran, I will be stupid to say such a thing because I know there is no different Quran and I know the reason also and I stated the reason why there is no other Quran but if you want to see it, but I don't know what you are. If you care, and you believe in the sheer Allah you believe in the hadith of your ima, then you must know that there are several Hadith in the sources of the Shia, which
according to many of the Alama add up to tawa to which is undeniably strong, that say that they is or there have been changes in this Quran. And that is all that I've been saying. That's all that I've been saying. I hope you understand my point. Okay.
Thank you. Milena. I will take a question from that gentleman in the back whose hands up right now.
Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah Vista empire. Chairman sir, can you allow me to ask two half questions which will make one question, not two halves.
Alright, I want to pose my question.
to Dr. Sehat Abdullah Hussaini and my question is that I get the understanding of the impression that there isn't much feeling for hazard eyeshadow, the Allahu taala. And although at the end he came and said very, very, very, very faintly she's Omaha to more meaning and we do accept that. And then he posed the question she didn't obey the command of Allah she went out to go and fight, issue, issue issue, but then we'll find when it comes to proving certain points, then he goes, II shall not be allowed by point my question, my question, this is my question. And when it comes to quoting a hadith he says, are Aisha Radi Allahu Taala and has says in Muslim? What is your stance said
Abdullah Hussaini where is it shattered the allow tallinna Please clarify. objectively what sources from Quran and Hadith shukran
Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim, this is partially your answer and the answer to the molana aka also Mallanna pose a question that how this led to you being let's say your bot can apply when Prophet has got such a wife.
I mean, that can apply to profit new also,
it's going to be a shut on profit new to say what type of wife he has got. A turban, let's say but does not have is not a turban. So he she he also has to have a purified wife if that is the case. So it's not necessarily we are not purifying here, the wives of the Prophet we want. If if a prophet has got a good wife or a bad wife, that doesn't change anything. If prophet has got followers or doesn't have followers, it doesn't change nothing about the value of that prophet. If a prophet has got a good son or doesn't have a good son doesn't change his status. And my clear stand, not only concerning Ayesha, but concerning. Everyone who contributed in history of Islam is they all got
their own places. Ayesha and other wives of the Prophet are confirmed on Mahato Momineen. I don't have the guts to insult the wives of my prophet. But the thing is, that the same prophet is telling me that these are not my actual bait.
Debate according to the the Hadith says that I have the Hadith says that I have quoted from Muslim, that the wife of Prophet or Mr. Lama comes to us. I am your animal bait. He says no. So instead of you asking me that question, you must ask that question from someone to tell you that why this such a hadith says we have Muslim? Excuse me, sir, excuse me, Brother, please sit down. You asked a question. I said before I said before, if you ask a question, unfortunately. And if he answered if you're not satisfied, he answered part of partly or fully, you still have to just accept his his answer. Whether you're happy or not, you'll have to accept what he has said.
Right. The next brother slough on a comb. My name is Farooq. I would like to pose a question to Chef atta.
About that. Yeah. Who's your question addressing? Or whatever the question that I want to know from him, what would be then the significance in placing this I have the purification. And actually, as he has like knowledge that, that people that were purified, or that rather that the Prophet may dua for where were the five that Hussaini has mentioned, as mentioned now, in his understanding, what is the significance then?
I think what I the previous question, or the two questions previously, the answer probably covers that as well. I said, I answered it already. My Chairman tells me that I've answered that one already. I see that the Quran says that has taken place, have you understood from that that has taught here will remain forever and ever. Allah Allah says, if purified, when something is purified, can it be sullied again, can it can do you understand from the idea and that this purification will remain in effect forever and ever? I said, the idea the wording of the idea doesn't lend itself to that meaning. So thought here applies to the wives of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam in the same sense
as it applies to thee. My name is bijela banya.
My question is directed to both scholars in one of them
give me the answer to my question,
I want to know from both of you the consequences of this meeting today of this, it debate as far as one, the unity of Muslim World Two, as far as the difficult situation that the Ummah finds itself
being faced by the enemies of Islam, the wave of of the
treacherous plains, as far as the Ummah is concerned, and yet we expose all these differences, what is the impact
of the session today to the unity of mostly?
I agree with you and I disagree with you, I agree with you that we are living most difficult times. And I agree with you that meetings of this nature at this point in time
is not desirable, not of this nature this point in time, but they do have a certain desirability and the desirability that they do have meeting the nature maybe at another time would have been much better at this time is probably problematic, but in principle meeting of this nature, bring out certain things which unfortunately have been kept hidden over the years, where people deny certain things which affect, for example, a person says, We never said that the Quran has changed. Many of you might have learned tonight that no several people did say that the Quran is changed. So certain facts will be brought to light, and certain fallacies will be shown up for what they are.
On the other hand, at this particular point in time to have called a meeting of this nature, I fully agree with you. But I will also say that I am the respondent. I'm not the challenger. I didn't call for a meeting of this nature. If it was depending upon me, I would not have called for the meeting of the meeting of this nature at this point in time that I fully agree with you.
The brand on my left there and then the last question to the same question.
Okay, was this question posed to both people? Okay, then, said Abdullah, you'd have to respond. Then only two questions I'll be taking after this one on my left here, one on my right there and then we are going to close the session.
Okay, concerning the unity that is exactly the purpose of Islamic revolution in Iran, after the victory of Islamic revolution, Mr. Khomeini, Rama Talalay came with this big slogan last year last Sunil Raja Raja Islami and even when we are going to Makkah Imam Khomeini his official fatwa is that when I go there, I must pray like you brothers, I should not use my mouth. I should join your Jamaat, in Masjid Al haram. And if I want to make my own Jamaat, it will be considered haram. And I am not allowed to make Jamaat in my hotels when the Jamaat is going there in in Masuda Hara, the same Imam Khomeini is such a person that the the world while the country is under the attack by the
Saddam Hussein, and we receive missiles, which destroys Tehran and 12 million people will fly. In the same time the ambassador of Russian came to Imam Khomeini for a deal. He says to Imam Khomeini Rahmatullah Allah that you will know this missiles is made in Russia. And if you don't want this missiles to come to Tehran, stop giving guns to Afghan is
you know what the Mohammed said? He said, chest out this peak from my office. We are not here today to negotiate on the destiny of our Muslim brothers. He didn't say they are Sudanese.
We are under sanction in Islamic Republic of Iran because supporting of our Muslim brothers around the world which they are not yes.
We are suffering because of Palestine. Show me one she has in Palestine. We are suffering because we were pro Algerian people. We are suffering because we were pro Bosnian people. We were suffering because we all over the world waited there is a struggle we were helping the Sunni brothers. And because of that up to this moment, they are pressurizing us. Don't talk about Palestine. We will give you this one. We will give you that one. And we say no. Palestinian issue is an Islamic issue. We didn't say that as soon as I mean let them die. That's not the case. I am dying for your brothers. I extend my hand of brotherhood to you you don't want to accept that's another story. I am
saying Shadwell La ilaha illAllah Muhammadan rasul Allah eyeshadow nm Quran Huck eyeshadow Anna Surat Huck, I am believing in the same Quran. I pray like you five time I first I go to Hajj I pay my zakat. I mean I do jihad visa Bill Allah I become shaheed I chest Israel from Lebanon. I mean, what do you want more? I am buying for your brothers whenever you need I am there. So brothers it this is specially very crucial time that we need unity and in such environment, at least we can say Alhamdulillah we found this people that they don't have another Quran so at least to that extent, say okay, this is now accepted. You don't have another color.
Shift. We're running short of time. Sorry. I'll have to stop you. Last two questions. One on this left and one here in the front.
And that's it. That's the final decision and we're closing
slowly calm. My name is Hassan Malay man who understands English I just want to pose a question if I see a dog running passion I tell you, we'll all look at this cat running pasture. Who do you see I know English. Somebody translating the ayat of the Quran, when Allah says your Kulu for male and Allah always use male for himself. Excuse me, excuse me? Are you ask us one second? Are you asking a question? Yeah, the question I'm coming ask the question. So for, for she which we all know that the wives of Rasulullah saw mushy, we translated retranslated is he then in another place? Allah says in the Quran?
We said Dakolo which means female. After all this we say we read 16,000 a hadith. How did we read it? How did we understand it? Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem Sahana colonial Mallanna Illa mountain lantana INEC on the seminar limb, my question is this one, Marina Houston, state your name and who are you addressing the question? My name is Adam. And who are you addressing? I'm raising to Marina who's Okay, Maura now Cindy, can you explain us? This hadith quality? Hadith faculae that's my question.
There is a very famous and a very authentic Hadees called Hadith was circulated. Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam from him there is two sets of Hadith narrated please pay attention to this this is very crucial and very, very important. And I put my head on this, this and I claim if somebody can come with an answer about this, I'll become soon read this and listen to this very carefully. This is eye opener brothers Listen to me very carefully. Two sets of Hadees Prophet says I'm leaving tooting behind
one is Quran and the other one is a little bit different. Another set also says Quran and Sunnah t let us well you these two extensively I have done research and I have found that more than 200 from the Sunni brothers Allah MA from three from 50 offs of us hub, and from sixth way it has been narrated that Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam says I'm leaving everything behind one is Quran and the other one is sunnah. But the other Hadith, which says Suniti has come only and only and only in three place compared to 200. From tech to have us hub, only in three place and I claim and if I can't prove it, so that's my problem. You've got videotapes and here I claim this and I can prove it
France from Chile place. The first one is more water, and the other two also narrates from water. So it means it's only one.
My question is why our Sunni brothers base the foundation of their entire face and a hadith which is so weak with one
quotation compared to 200 of the polymer and compared to 330 of us hob and compare 200 and the other one, the other one, the hadith of Halal bait also has come in sir, I said, with the exception of sangha Buhari and surrender albida with the rest all of them they are carrying that Hadees that Prophet says I'm living Quran and annual bit, but the Hadees of sunnah has not come in none of the authentic books, that is my question for you Inshallah, to live with it in give me an answer for that. And then we will see the list is has now come to an end. We hope you have enjoyed today's session, you might not be entirely have been satisfied with either one of the speakers, but that is
beyond my control. And inshallah God willing, Allah willing, if both these eminent scholars agree to a further date to a further time they can continue with this discussion with these words was Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh