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In the hammer Illa

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Stein who want to start feeling want to study

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fusina was Dr. Molina

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Maria de la

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Allah Allah Allah, Allah, Allah, wa shadow ana Muhammadan rasul Allah.

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Bella rissalah

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Amana one also alma kashia, Paloma Raja had the feasibility of he had been for sallallahu wasallam and he was at the

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salon early was hot water they are in

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a bar

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our gathering of last week

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has caused certain ripples in the airwaves.

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understandably so,

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because for three decades now

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we have had a situation

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where there has been

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propagation of Shiism unchecked,

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we haven't had any attempt to systematically from the side of the husana will take a critical look at what she hasn't is all about. We have either restricted ourselves to certain assumptions

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or just left the matter completely untouched.

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This kind of situation

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has been very favorable for those involved in the propagation and spreading of shears.

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But in terms of what we discussed last week, in terms of that introduction, this is something that will in the long run proved to be extremely disasters for this community and any other community.

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I try

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to some extent to clarify to you

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that out of all the issues pertaining to Shiism, there is one that lies at the root of it all. And once one has a good understanding of that one particular issue, everything else will just automatically start falling into place.

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That issue which lies at the root of every difference that exists between the anosognosia was the issue of the mama.

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To recap.

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Mama is a belief

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a mama is a belief

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Mama say believe in

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an appointment by a loudhailer of certain persons after Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam to leave the oma.

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That was Ignalina Vitaly and then his descendants after him.

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That leadership of the oma is not restricted only to political leadership. The Imam is not just the political leader, the head of state, but he is also the only one suitably equipped and suitably authorized to transmit knowledge on azula sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, everything else is unauthorized and therefore invalid.

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A third angle, the first two angles we covered. He is the political leader he alone anyone else who steps up to the status of political leader is a usurper. Only the Imam, he is the only one suitably equipped to transmit knowledge everyone else unauthorized invalid. The third one is on account of the existence of the Imam heaven and earth exists. Heaven and Earth depend for the existence on the existence of that particular Imam. That has been the concept of an Imam.

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Our function today is to go one step further.

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If anyone holds

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any kind of belief

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and we want to investigate the extent to which that belief

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could be either acceptable or unacceptable. Our first stop is always inevitably and without exception, going to be Allah's book.

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For any issue,

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of this nature, any issue

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that lies so deep

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at the roots of Islam,

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it has to have

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justification. Clear, explicit and unequivocal in the Quran,

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our can have a man, belief in Allah, belief in the Gambia belief in the divine books believe in the Mullah iica belief in the archaea. All of these are issues which are very, very clearly spelled out in the Quran to such an extent that it is impossible to even raise the question. We cannot even ask the questions. Well, why do Muslims believe in amea? Do they really believe in Malacca? These are things which we have taught are under the lives of our children.

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And they are issues which you'll find reflected on practically every page of the Quran when it comes now to a mama. That's what makes us different from a Sunni the fact that he believes in the mama. It makes him different from the Sunni the question today is, is there any mention of this Imam in the Quran? There are people out there, there have been people for the past few decades, we have decided to cross cross the floor, no longer so knees, we are crossing over to the other side. Because they feel the evidence was compelling. The evidence was convincing. It was so persuasive that they were prepared to leave everything behind everything that they had learned as soon as from their

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childhood. The argument from the other side was simply too convincing. Today we set out to explore how convincing is it really our first stop our first question therefore is, is a mammal represented in the Quran. Do we find such mention of all the Imams in the Quran, we learned last week that the Imams are regarded as having a status higher than the Gambia and it was pointed out last week as well that as far as the Quran is concerned, the Gambia I mentioned by name surahs are named after them. Where lessons where stories are given as lessons for us.

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No one who has read the Quran, who has heard the message of the Quran could reasonably claim ignorance of the fact that someone like musar lived once upon a time someone like Isa love someone like Ibrahim lived and that these were the events of their lives and these are the stories and these are the lessons that we can draw from it. So if there is anyone who holds a position higher than that of the Imam, surely Allah Allah must have mentioned it in a book which he says Hold on.

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to the sea. Ha the belief in Mr. Ma is on power, the belief in all the other other can have amen. If any Muslim, any person claiming to be a Muslim, says I believe in Allah. I believe in prophets, but I don't believe in Divine books, he ceases to be a Muslim, not because I chase him out of the fold of Islam, or because I place a fatwa of Cofer upon him. But simply because he has taken himself beyond the folds of Islam. He has taken it taken himself out of the fold of Islam. If any person claiming to be a Muslim rejects any of these issues, these are undeniable issues he can no longer remain a Muslim to the Shia the issue of Imam is on par with all the other kind of human to them

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they believe in Allah they believe in the divine books, they believe in the messengers, they believe in the last day, they believe in all of those things, but along with that, Mr. muffets in a mama is one of those as well. Therefore, often the question gets asked, often the question gets asked, so other she has Muslim or are they not Muslim inshallah, in due time, not in today's lesson, but inshallah in due time we will come to that question and we will discuss it and try and be as fair as possible about it and not take advantage of any situation. The question really should not be whether we assume nice regard the CIS Garfield.

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That's not the question. The real question should be, how do the sciatica so nice

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a few years ago

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some of you might remember there used to be a bookshop

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in the city,

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centre of town somewhere it used to be called Silk Road publications.

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I used to visited buy books from the LA Times. One particular book that I bought from there, still in my possession. This book is called Anwar Allah Mia.

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And wha Allah Mia Fisher has Xia rattle Jamia

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now as our Hajaj go from here, to Madina, munawwara to one visit the grave of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi Salaam and deliver the greetings Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam in person that she has Similarly make journeys to the Kobo Vega mountains.

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And wherever the Imams are, whether some of them are in Medina, some of them are claimed to be in Iraq. Some of them I also wherever they happen to be. They go to the grace of the Imams, and there is a certain da which they read. Now those who have gone for Hajj, we had to learn in hajj, Gaza.

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Santa Monica Rasul Allah Serato, Santa Monica and Avi Allah, whatever the formula happens to have been, we have learned those that are similarly heavy to our wish they redid the code of the Imams, this door is called a zero to jamea.

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In this dwad is a certain line.

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This comes in a book which I didn't buy overseas was so being sold here in Cape Town.

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In this law, you stand at the grave of the Imam, as a Shia and you read various it's a very long door.

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And there might be those of you who remember

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going to genital Bucky. And there will be a huge crowd of car sitting outside. And in front, they will be one person leading the congregation and he will be reading and they will be crying or saying army in or whatever it is. Did anyone ever try and pay closer attention to what is being said with generally don't you see Oh, they're sitting there crying? Fine. We'll leave it at that and we go back to wherever we are staying. But one particular line, as I was reading through this book, one particular line catches my attention. What is that line? It says woman jaha conquer fear. You stand at the graves of the Imam. And you tell the Imam that whoever believes in you is a movement and

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whoever does not believe in whoever rejects you is a coffee.

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Now a statement such as this.

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It hits very deeply, tenderly, sensitively.

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But there is possibly another interpretation, maybe doesn't mean what I thought it to mean initially. So I read the commentary on it. The commentary states that this particular line from this dwara is proof of the fact that the Mohali fene, those who oppose the Shia, now what do you want to make out of that those who oppose the Shia those who are not? Who are they?

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Are they they are no sooner? I leave that to you to answer to me. It's obvious.

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He says in terms of this particular to hire this group of people, those who are not Shia, they are not Muslim. They are not Muslim.

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And why do they treat them as Muslims as far as life goes? normal kind of life marriage, what soon is eating

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flesh slaughtered by Sudanese making Salah behind Sudanese, all of these things why? The author goes on to say the author of this book is someone called Shia Abdullah show Bara he lived not too very long ago. So he doesn't come from 507 100 years ago. He says that the reason why we have these social relations with them. The first point is that they are not Muslim. Why are they not Muslims, for obvious reasons, because they reject the Imams we don't believe in karma. So those who don't believe in Imams, they are Kafeel, but the reason why we maintain social relations with them in terms of Nika, and in terms of Salah in terms of all of these things, is to make life easier for the

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Shia. If life if the Shia had to openly state of the Sunni that Do you know what, you're not the Muslims, as as far as we are concerned, what would happen to them, several things would happen to them. One of the most important things that will happen to them is that the doors of the illusion that will no longer remain open for them to come and propagate and convey. So that kind of ideas are not

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for general public consumption. But these are the ideas that lie at the root of the faith of the Shia.

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It is not so much a question as to whether I regard the CIA as a Muslim, it is the other way around. Does he regard me as a Muslim in the first place?

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We move on from there though.

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The real issue today is what does the Quran say about Imam?

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My first answer to you would be nothing. The Quran says nothing about the mama.

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The names of the Imams are not mentioned.

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The titles of the Imams are not mentioned the status of the AMA the man's the life stories of none, none. None of these things I mentioned.

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when he was alive, long before the revolution, and 2050 years before the revolution. This would have been in the 1950s, perhaps 1960. somewhere around there. He wrote a book. This book is called casual asar. It was in response to a number of people who had raised an objection to Shiism, and these are people born Shia themselves. And they said, Man, can theism be correct? There are several things. One of the issues which they raised, could Jesus be correct when there's no mention of the Imams in the Quran? Khomeini was the one called upon to respond. He wrote and I have the book right in front of me.

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So instead of quoting Allah that

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Logan It must not only Mr. Motta katama does be to have input on the person says there's no mention of Emma in the Quran. Khomeini says there's a reason for it. Had emammal been mentioned clearly and explicitly in the Quran. For in Allah ecal levina Allah you are now gonna bill Islam you all are an elderly overall the dunya or the aza had emammal been mentioned adequately mentioned in the Quran. Allah is the first Eman Hassan the second Jose in the third, etc etc Had this been

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And then there is a group of people those people have no track with Islam. Those people have no interest in Islam as except as far as concerns their stomachs in their pockets those with regular people ganhou yet turkey Luna Amina Ronnie was a little bit inferior for all the human much they would have made the Quran a means to achieve their nefarious objectives Why are they funa tilcon demon Safa hottie he then they were it would have taken those I attend wiped out of the pages of the Quran Why? Because I want to be the Imam Ali cannot be the Imam so I'll wipe his name out of the Quran while you stay tuned Al Quran I mean ambarella Allah mean I have that happen, the Quran would

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have lost the status, therefore allowed Allah 30 better not to mention the names of the Imams in the Quran, so that Abu Bakar and Omar and Othman and the rest of the Sahaba wouldn't get the opportunity to wipe it out of the Quran, when I will be learning the shaytani r rajim.

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Why does a person have to resort to such measures?

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What is he saying? He is saying that had the names be mentioned the Sahaba would have worked it from the pages of the Quran. Others before him for hundreds of years, went one step ahead and said it was mentioned and then it had been wiped out as well, but that inshallah more about that in future. For this moment, I want to ask you to ponder about one thing.

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Why do you have to resort to such mental gymnastics simply to get past the point that there is no mention of the Imams in the Quran.

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The simple and straightforward thing would be to admit the fact that there is no mention of the Imams in the Quran. Khomeini's name as a matter of interest, now, Khomeini's name will always cause waves. It will always cause the ripple here was the men who stood up to the Americans and the Russians and everything else, stood up and raised the banners of Islam very high. At a time when rulers of the Sunni world could barely do anything. We're nothing but lackeys of the West. This was the man who stood up. So could he really be

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the kind of person that we have quoted from his books now?

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And then more recently, for years and years, since when, since the 48, we've been fighting these rallies, and never ever want a bit greater victory. He said, then what Hizbollah won against him a few years ago, so could she ism be such a bad thing? If Khomeini was the man who stood up to to the west, and the Russians, if Hezbollah was the one to win a victory against them? These are questions that people ask and I bring it up specifically, and for a reason to understand something.

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History is not only the 20th century, history is not only what has happened since 79, up to 2009 in the past 30 years. If we look at history purely and simply in terms of what's happening in our century, and that only in these three decades of our century, then we might perhaps be induced to believe that great political victories or great political stances taken by people indicate that they believe is in fact right and that their form of Islam is the valid one. But then I would ask you,

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what about all our other victories? What about all our other great defenses of Islam For how long? for 1400 years? By who was that one? Are we prepared to forget all of history because of three decades alone? When the world of Islam when the state of Medina, one fledgling Islam was being threatened by people turning more in mess in the Arabian Peninsula? Who was he to stood up to save the day? It was Abu Bakr Siddiq are the Allahu anhu. Who was he to carry the flags of Islam over Rome and over Persia, and made Islam into the world empire that it is today that was Omar, Abdullah Anu, who was he to save god of the Quran so that we and our children our children's children, will

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go on to the eating utility of piano without any tahari without any interpolation without any corruption. That was not fun or the Allahu anhu. Who was it when Muslim blood was hidden codes and 90 years of the occupation of goods went by without anyone being able to lift a finger? Who was he to lead the Muslim armies and defeated the Crusaders at 18? That was Salahuddin Allah EOB Rahim Allah. History goes much beyond these particular three decades here, anyone who's prepared to stake his entire Deen on something which has happened two or three decades ago, and forget 1400 years of brilliant history. I think that person has another lesson lesson coming his way.

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We suffer and fortunate from historical myopia, myopia, I only see certain things My vision is very, very narrow. I only see Khomeini I don't see anything else and I don't see everyone else.

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People say that this man rendered very great services to Islam. He rendered very great service to this country. That's no doubt about that. And in the name of the form of Islam that he believed in most certainly, he was employed

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Have that cannot be denied. But

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how are we to treat him? How are we to treat him? There's another man who's also making, taking a stance today. If it wasn't Kwame Nkrumah once upon a time, I don't think many of those would know when speaking about, let's get more into contemporary history, there is Hugo Chavez is not a Muslim. He's also taking a stance. He's also also making a few statements. He's not even a Muslim is making a stance against taking a stance against the Americans. So the fact that someone takes a particular political stance, the fact that once upon a time there was Fidel Castro or

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whoever it might have been, that is not indicative of a man number one is not indicative of correct belief. Then on top of it, once upon a time, they loved the ruler, and he was the most just of men. In his time, he was the middle meaning he was the poorest of the more he was the army, the meaning he would walk in the heat of the day, to win see ways the last camel that belongs to the sadaqa that belongs to the vital man. He was the man that denied himself in order that Muslims might have everything that great men, who the entire world is prepared to admit was a great leader, Gandhi, the Indian,

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what shall I call the freedom fighter? Gandhi in India gain freedom in 1947 told his ministers you want to learn a lesson, learn a lesson from these two persons who are the Abu Bakar. And Omar, they told the world what a leader should be like

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those great leaders who establish justice and carried the flags of Islam to the four corners of the world, who lay the foundations of the infamous You and I are still thinking today, those great leaders, how are they being treated from the other side, despite the fact that they have done all these great services, you want to know how they have been, how they are being treated up till not very long ago, last year, the year before. Up to then there was a cover in the town of kashani. In Iran, in the Donald kashani. In Iran, there was a cover this cover was reputed to be the cover of Abu

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and who's not the man who kill amagno hapa every on a particular day, they come together that that particular place, and they have a huge party celebrating the murder of honorable hapa Ravi Allah No.

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That was Omar, this is how is it been treated from the other side. You want to know more about how they the type of things that are said about Omar inshallah future lectures will say but I would say take, be very, very careful because some of the things that you might hear

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is something that you didn't you would want to say in a public setting the kinds of things that that he said about them. Therefore, if we say yes, Khomeini great leader for his country and all of those things, but that doesn't mean that she has a miss correct? Just like amaru hapa was a great leader and the she I don't have to say that he is a great person they will continue saying the kinds of things that they are saying when the government eventually last year the year before when they eventually close down their cover of suppose that cover of Apollo and stop people from coming there. What was it that induce them to do so their cover had been left people had been free to come and

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visit the cover and come up with a cover whatever they want to, until she Yusuf al qaradawi hafizullah raised the issue and told the Hsiao lemma. Why, how can we speaking How can we be speaking about unity? When year after year on year one, celebrate the man of Omar? How can we have unity? Then the Iranian government took steps and then the Iranian Iranian people were prepared to revolt for the right to come and celebrate the murder of amadablam hubub. Now these are the kinds of issues that exists between us and them.

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People then don't

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and the people tend to say

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and what they tend to say I think you've probably heard those of us that have been listened to the radio of the past few days. They tend to look at us The sooner we are the aggressors leave the Porsche alone What are they done to you leave them alone? Can't we concentrate on Palestine can't be constables and other things. Why go back to the car problem all the time? Why vilify the car and say bad things about them? You know, 25 years and 30 years ago in the car game Was there anyone who was saying that, you know, she has Don't come here don't spread these ideas. No, then the door was open, the doors open, they are allowed to do what they want to. But the panic buttons are starting to

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flesh, because for a long time, we haven't paid attention. We haven't even worried. We just let them be. Now for the first time. Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah we are coming together we want to equip ourselves with knowledge with information as to what she ism is all about and what kind of stance we should take to it. And therefore the panic buttons will start flashing because

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the party's over in sha Allah the kind of information that will spread from this particular gathering year. We are not necessarily we're not going to go on any type of vigilante activity No, but the ignorance of the past will will be removed

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The information that will come, the information that will come will be

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the inoculation that we and our children and their children require in order for them not to do this work of lawcrossing any longer.

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Back to the Quran, when we speak about the Shia or other imana in the Quran

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my first answer to you was that the Quran says nothing about imama. Now, if there is any ca present, or listening to this, then he would

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he would immediately be up in arms. What do you mean the Quran says nothing there is just I and is that I and is that is what we meant initially by saying there's nothing in the Quran. There's nothing explicit. There's nothing direct. There's nothing unequivocally in the Quran, unequivocal in the Quran about the kind of belief in karma that you hold. But yes, there are certain ayat in the Quran which you can take out of context whose interpretation you can bend this way and twist the other way is nothing new others have done it before

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the Christians have done it the Kardashians have done it the Bahais have done so what's so wonderful is she can also do it anyone can come to the Quran and find for himself certain eyes and say, Well, this actually means what I'm trying to say the Christians will say, Have you ever noticed that Allah tala says in the Quran when he refers to himself in nano nozzle now that we He never says I and you know that in the Arabic language, we use for the plural and you know that the minimum plural is three, therefore, these three Gods

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he can do that nobody can do it, they are doing it also.

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And the qadiani will come and say well, the Quran makes mention of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad qadiani wormable shirasu linea. Team embody is Ahmed His name is Ola these things have been mentioned and believe me people have become cardijn is because of this very same idea that you are laughing right now. But people have lost the Eman on account of things like this.

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So does the Quran say anything about imama vi art with Jessie I have tried to use and twist out of proportion to get it to say what they very much wanted to say that is what we are here to investigate we will not be able to cover them all this evening because

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you know this last week, she asked me over the knuckles he says he already means that along.

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So inshallah and last week, there was something which we were supposed to have we supposed to have a question answer session at the end, I asked you to bring it to my notice when we come to that point. For now I want to tell you that there are two kinds of IRAs which we are going to investigate. First of all, we are going to investigate any idea in which the word Imam or is plural or in Markham in the Quran. Secondly, and this will probably have to stay over for the next meeting year after we are going to investigate all of those IR that the Shia use to prove that there is something called a mama. Right? So for tonight we start with those ayat in which Allahu taala makes mention of the word

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Imam. Does it come? Yes, the word Imam comes in the Quran several times it comes.

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As a singular word, it comes as a plural word. And we are at least how many different four or five different meanings that the word Imam has in the Quran. Sometimes the word Eman comes in the Quran, and what's intended by it is a book

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not a person,

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not a leader.

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Not a superhuman, not the success of Allah sallallahu wasallam but nothing other than

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a book.

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Which I gather those there are at least three iottie which Allah Allah speaks about the Quran being or the Quran, the book being an Imam, wanting to believe Lee kita. Abu Musab immerman, one of my that's what I would say number 17. A lot of us said before the Quran, we send the book of Moosa we know that to be the Torah, the book of Moosa was an Imam it was an Imam and it was urashima the way the mommies used to refer to add to the call to a divine book that a lot of that reveal again surah verse number 12 woman cobley he kita Abu Musa again Mr. Man what exactly the same as Surah Hood verse number 17. It is the word Imam refers to what it refers to a Kitab a divinely revealed book

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then we move to Surrey as everyone knows is I in

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one October market demo

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wakulla Shea in Asana who fee mommy Moby in everything we have taken account of in a clear book which book is that? Now for my for your book of deeds, but it's a particular book everything is recorded in that particular book there. So in theory, if in the Quran Allah Allah makes mention of Imam but it has no bearing upon that Imam of the Shia, it simply refers to a book. Sometimes.

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The Quran mentions the word Imam, and it has a very bad meaning attached to it as well. A man means a leader as we have seen, why do we call a book a leader because it guides it guys to us online. A Guide is a leader but a guide

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Doesn't always guide towards good. There are times when a guide guys was something which is bad for karate low in metal copper. A lot of us fight the Imams which imams that imams of cover, who are the moms of cover, you can see them in the world around you today, not very difficult to identify them fight against the IMA of cover. That word there has no bearing whatsoever upon the moment that the she speaks about. It simply recognizes one thing that leadership is a generic concept amongst human beings. There is a country that will have george bush's ruler is a country that might have our neighbor next door Mugabe has a ruler, there's a country then they have Mr. Zuma is the ruler all of

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them are imams in some sense or the other. Some of them imams are good, some of them imams have bad, do we find Nabis of good and abuse of bed and he is an OB a foreigner he is not called an abuse called a muthana be a false nobody is given a completely different name. But Imam when the Quran speaks of Imam Imam can mean book Eman can mean and lead of bed.

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wa jal now whom Allah Allah says in Surah cosas verse 41 what you are now home Emerton, we made them imaams so they the shells AC II mom's Allah Allah says he made the mom's yet our own Isla now we are in mountains but they call towards the fire. The imams that call towards the fire they are those inamoto who come my way I know Imam and he leads you towards the fire. So what is the man once again not that divine station appointed by Allah tala after Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam to take people to lead them into this dispense knowledge to them and to keep having an earthly existence. But simply a leader who takes people towards go for what shall now imagine your own island now we've

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seen two different meanings of the word Imam in the Quran thus far, or on refers to Imam as a book the Torah, the Quran refers to him. In this case, he has the champions of Kufa as well. Sometimes the word imaam comes in the Quran. And it's simply refers to a road. Nothing but a road. Why? Because a road also leads the road leads you from here to Johannesburg, it leaves you it's a guide in a certain way of how to reach from point A to point B. So Allah tala says lo de la salams people when they were destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, those two towns were destroyed. And where are they today? Phantom Nam in home we're in Houma, la de mammy moving a lot Allah says we took revenge from

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them. What happened with Jana Ali has those two towns of Sodom and Gomorrah were raised up into the sky turned upside down cars by jabril so deep into the earth that told us very there is a lower spot on the earth that at the lowest spot on the surface of the Earth is a dead sea and where do you find that route? whereby you travel from Makkah to Sham the gonna trade that Imam will be in that route day. That's where you will find the Saudis of Sodom and Gomorrah up to today the Dead Sea. So the Quran refers to what are owed also as an Imam.

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When a further usage of the word Imam leadership of Bernice wa il Allah, Allah speaks about this.

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What jalna whom are Emerton year don't wanna be a marina What are hyena la him fear Ll hayati why you call Masada t why he does leadership in Bani Israel. He is what is being spoken about. A lot of us speaks about the story of Satan they brought him pulmonaria nanocone he was being thrown into the fire. A lot of us a Cooney Berto, Solomon Allah Ibrahim, or Adobe Caden for Jana monopsony, they wanted to make a plan with him Allah Allah put them at the bottom, my then the losers wanna Jaina who are Luton, Isla de la de Baraka Fie Halle LA I mean a lot of the blessed him a lot a lot saved him and save loads and then we'll have nulla who is Huck? Now a lot of the gaming children out of

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the children he was he's halfway are Kubernetes wakulla and Jana Sani hain I mentioned I had before so that you can know who's being spoken about if I had to take the eye out of context and just say what mahtani Marina was, imagine you're doing maybe we made them the moms who guide biochem and then you might think yes, yours the concept of imama now for the first time surfacing the Quran, but read the previous idea. It's Ibrahim, it is low, it is half it is iacob. These were the ones who a lot of them at mom's EMA in the sense is nothing different from Nobu because every newbie is an Imam who leads it's about leadership, nothing other than leadership.

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While Athena musen kita.

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inshallah Sergio Martinez, Athena moussaka, Fela to confirm your Yeti Milica. He was Yana who don't leave any salon he war jalna home amin home in Macedonia ambreen, Allah masaharu we made them what again these this is oh this is Moosa and after Musa they were several Ambien Bani Israel, who were the Gambia that came after him. There was the wood there was with a man. There was Risa there was yahia, all of his Zakaria, all of these warmbier These were the men who a lot of them at mom's they guided people. They weren't people that were successors to prophets.

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They weren't people that were higher than Gambia because they were the amea. So the word imamo when using the Quran now for the first time we see it being used in a sense of leadership in terms of God, but the Quran doesn't give us this concept from the Gambia that leadership was a leadership of all of the Gambia to their people 100 or so passes a lot of classes so the classes I had number five, one read a nomina Allah Allah Dina Stover, he fulfilled all the one Allah whom Emerton one. Even if you go back quickly in history, the time in Bani Israel were in Egypt, they were oppressed, those very same oppressed ones. Allah Allah says those oppressed ones we wanted to take them and

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make them leaders of the world. They become leaders of the world. There was no ruler greater than Suleiman Ali Salam in his time they became leaders of the world. But is there any concept in there is there any concept in there of imama the kind we heard about last week, a station hiring Nobu that is still very very far fetched.

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To IR left, in which the word EMA is being mentioned only two is left the first idea

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while Levine a co owner of banner habarana mean as vergina with Alia Tina kurata ion is that we know very well.

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The bad Rahman the true servants of Allah tala are those who say, Allah bless grant us in our wives and our children, the coolness of our eyes. What little Mama, make us leaders of the pious repeat that make us leaders of the buyers. Can you and I make a DA Allah make me an OB?

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e Allah make me assume. We can't ask for things like that. But can I ask Allah tala to be a pious person to such an extent that other persons follow my lead? Most certainly Manson nephin Islam is not an Asana if you do a good thing and others follow you thereafter you get the reward that they have whatever whatever they do as well. So this is is a mama is something that anyone can aspire to. Mr. May simply leadership make me an Imam Yala. Make me an Imam if anything this ayah indicates that he mama is not what the Shia think it to be. A mama is simply leadership and anyone no matter whose son he is or daughter, anyone can aspire to being an Imam. Why these are the qualities of the man

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this year this idea has proven to be extremely vexing troublesome for the Shia. Why because it shows that a mama is not by appointment. A mama is not that a lot of having appointed the person a mama is you can make to offer it in your life and you can reach it. Unlike

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the only person who made himself and it was mostly

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Salama qadiani a few other crazy fellows. They try to make themselves Gambia and we know where they ended up completely outside of the fold of Islam. But he a lot Allah tells us even you can become an Imam even I can become an EMA. mm if we live the proper lives, so this is proved to be extremely vexing for the Shia. How do we explain the fact that anyone can aspire to being an Imam? There is the sea of very early Tafseer of the Shia. It's called the Tafseer of Ali, even Ibrahim alchemy.

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For those who are a bit more informed Ali even Ibrahim al Cooney is the teacher of kulani Coleen is the author of and coffee I'll coffee is what I would say the Sahaba of the Shia, the most important book of this year. A little bit more information. This early evening Brahim alchemy. He is the source for 1/3 of all the material coffee more or less 1/3 of all the Hardy thermography comes from from this led by him and called me

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in this particular Tafseer of his

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the claim of the Hsiao Lama is that this tafsir he narrates from the Imams. He has a son. He has a chain of narration Ali Ibrahim on the right from someone from someone from Imam Jafar assadi. For example, they say every Narrator In this book is a reliable narrator. The author of this book made sure that he chose only reliable narrators so much so that afterwards if they want to determine whether the person is reliable or not, they say well Oliver O'Brien used him so therefore he must be reliable Narrator In this particular tough scene of is this idea comes up someone reads in front of him Jaffa sodic robina habla nominals wodgina What

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was your little mustafina? Jaffa says what did you now read? He says what your

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your Java says no, that would be a most enormous thing for people to ask Allah to make the minimums it's like asking a lot a lot to make you unhappy. So the person says but this how we learned it he says that's because someone, someone tampered with the the IR wasn't.

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The IR was what john Lana Minelli. mustafina imama not make us demands. A point for us imaams romanzo talk in other words appoint Olive now Vitaly, but the point Java another point all these others, but we can't be imams

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Remember this idea and remember the problem that he produces for a CI and remember the kind of tight corners they are to run into in order to answer nigh like this, this idea is that clear as possible proof that there is no such a thing in the Quran as enamel that she has speak about.

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Most of these ayat however

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I said

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we only have one is live actually this before the one that I want to come to this one more on the day of karma. Allah Allah says yo ma another aku lunasin ba ma me him on the day of karma we will call all of you by your Eman What is your Imam that she has a This proves it. All those we're living in the dime of Alibaba Vitaly, they will be called up say all the people of the amount of alikum up all the people of the amount of hasn't come up all the people remember for saying that's how they will be called because everyone will be called by the Imam. Some of those Imam the Imam the Imam is only four or five years so only the people have that and obviously who's gonna have the most

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followers the MADI 1200 years all the people we call all the people at the time of the Mighty 1200 years of people will have to get up the thing is that read the rest of the ieagle now what is Allah tala referring to when he says Imam

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Yeoman other ocula owners him be murmee him we've learned before that one of the meanings of the word imaam in the Quran is a book from an OT Akita who will be I mean, he if I will, I will Nikita bomb

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Tila, what is the man on the FTM you will recall that what the book of yours which book the book of record of all your deeds, if you are given that book in your right hand, then you are the successful and if it given in your left hand. So that's the meaning of the word umami. And once again, it's only by twisting these ayat out of context that the connection could be made between these aisles and the concept of imama as conceived of by the car.

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Most of these I hear most of these if we've looked at 1012 of them so far already. Mostly I won't even be aware of these if

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most of those who have converted they didn't convert on the think of any of these it because as you could have seen none of these I'd say what I want them to say except if it was the button temper. However this one is. And on this one. Yeah, the entire claim is state.

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That it goes as follows. Why is he with Allah? Ibrahim or bhumika Lima? Adam hoon. All in a jar Ito Collin, see Mama.

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A lot. Allah tested Ibrahim Ali Salam.

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He passed his test. He tested him on certain words he passed the test is interesting solely about what the test was all about. But anyway, we'll come to that just now. Let's just read now before we forget it, he said that the test was Oh, Ibrahim, what are the names of the 12 imams.

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So he said Ali, and Hassan and Hussain and Ali Zeno, labin and Muhammad Ali and all the rest of the positives. A lot of SNCF positive there's a calima for Adam mahana he completed the whole list of 12. Allah said, Oh, you know the answer. Now I'm going to make you an Imam. The claim is up to that point. Ibrahim Ali Salam was an OB he was only an OB and Rasool but he wasn't a mom yet. They say the quadrivium Java sodic a statement and even Java so it definitely did not say things like this. They say it the HUD Allah Ibrahim and obion kubla yatai The hora Sula, Allah made Ibrahim an IV before making him a soul. What the hora sulan kubla Takeda who kalila then he made him a Rasul

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before he made him a hollein what the hollyland cobla tequila who he Mama, Daddy made them a Halloween, and only when he passed the test of the 12 names, and a lot of these now aren't making any money. And they say this is why the status of the Gambia is higher than the status of the or rather, the status of the man is higher than the status of Gambia because Ibrahim became an Imam only after after passing the test.

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Does this I actually

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listen to what a lot of they're saying. We tested Ibrahim with certain words he completed the test Hall then a lot of us in need. He locally nursey Mama, now I'm going to make you a leader of mankind. Now, how does that make him a leader of mankind? is Allah now elevating to the position of an Imam? First and foremost we would say that this idea if this meaning is given to me, it is incongruous. It is out of keeping with all the rest of the Quran where there's no mention of a thing called an Imam. There is something called an IV most certainly, but there's no such thing as an Imam, because any man can be your own. Imam can be a book a man can be a leader of bed. So what does

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a lot of I mean when he says he made he brought him into an Imam for mankind? What Allah tala means thereby is that look at the bulk of the population of the world today. All of them to some extent or the other belong to one of the Abrahamic religions. Muslims. What do we say? We are mila abiko Ibrahim, who are some common muslimeen everyone claims

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link with Ibrahim Christians Jews, everyone claims some link with Ibrahim to the extent that the other great religion in the world is the was the Hindu religion. The Hindus have one of the diet is called Brahma and Brahma some have claimed and not saying this historical fact. Some have claimed that Brahma is a corruption of Ibrahim that they took this Ibrahim that existed even in their tradition and turned him into a God as he did with so many others. Whether it's Krishna or Shiva, or anyone else, these were great people that had left, possibly, and the other two lived amongst them, and then they turned him into Gods do these things happen? Most certainly they do happen. There was

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once upon a time and he called Isa people don't even to a god. So what would be so strange if people take an IV call Ibrahim and turn me into Brahma? The point however being did Allah make Ibrahim into an Imam Lynas? Most certainly did everyone claim some link just about everyone claim samling was he brought him What what are we brought him the original religion of Sinai Ibrahim alayhi salam, I want to be sallallahu alayhi wa sallam also when he came was very, very particular about identifying with Ibrahim in the olan nasimi, Brahim Lavina terbaru was gonna be the ones with the greatest right and closest to Ibrahim are those who really follow he Brahim and this particular be the son of Ibrahim

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as well.

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So that is the meaning of the iron, but take the iron and give it a bit of seasoning and a little bit of flavoring. Then he becomes what then he mama rises above Nobu, then the mama Ibrahim becomes something completely out of keeping out of harmony incongruous to the rest of the Quran. And you now have forced on to the Quran, a kind of relief call a mama and from there onwards, now you take that belief and apply it to a number of other ayat in the Quran, the kind of ayat inshallah which we will be looking at in the coming weeks.

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These what we have done tonight we've looked at the IR of mention of the word Imam in the Quran. Out of all of these the only one that the Shia will ever mention the only one that they will ever be taught. The only one that they will use in argumentation is the last one and they will give you this particular meaning we will ask them when you say that Ibrahim was a no wasn't was already an OB does the IRC Rahim was already an OB I didn't say that. You will also see a rewire some Shia Hadith and you expect us to believe that this happened only after the die It doesn't say that. The ismp says a lot Allah tested him and then a lot of made him a leader. That's the first thing second thing is

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that lead in what sense he was initially sent to who certain Gambia was sent only to their families said now me I was sent only to the nations. Ibrahim initially wasn't ambia only for those around him. And then a lot Allah says but now I will make you a leader for who not just for a few people around your year, but for all of mankind and we can see it history has lived up through to that particular image of Ibrahim as what as the great father of mankind is very name means it Ibrahim means father of the multitude. Allah Allah has blessed him to our sons to his 12 sons we smile, and eventually from his marriage line comes say it now Muhammad Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam

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who is what he is the answer of the Tao of Ibrahim. He's answered that duality, Brahim made what I see him robina Buffy masala and here comes the answer. And he concludes thereby, the mission of Satan Abraham started back then already continued in him being the grandson, the descendant of Abraham and a Salaam now, simply to foreshadow From now onwards next week we're gonna go on the other ayat which we need to discuss. And the reason we need to discuss these things is because these are the idea that will be used. People will speak to you about the idea of will people speak about the I have to believe people speak about various different ideas like that. Let's just quickly Adam

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right? Let's just foreshadow quickly what's going to happen? What will happen is they will come to you with an idea. Yeah, are you here Russell?

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Yeah, a U haul. rasuluh ballia

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de la la camisa. Big O Messenger. convey what Allah Allah has revealed to you. What has been revealed to you from Europe, or in lamotta fall, sama de la Teresa, if you don't do it, you haven't conveyed in your mission at all. While La Jolla similkameen the nurse in the La Jolla del Carmen caffine. Allah who will protect you against the people. That's what the IRS is now conveyed because you haven't conveyed then what will happen. Your entire mission has failed. It is for you must convey this particular message. The idea as he stands there, is it connected to any one specific part of the mission of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam. Is it Salah is it zakka is Assamese it Hajj,

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is it novoye is it rissalah Is it a mama is it Qatar What is it? The is doesn't doesn't say therefore once again, scan the sheer literature you'll find yourself surprised. Two things I want to say about that is two things. The first thing is that again a claim of tempering the claims

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This particular hire, there's been a word in there that was wiped out by someone. What was it? What the I used to be like this? Yeah. Are you her rasuluh Ballina, z de la Kamiya Rebecca Viale for a lambda alpha Marbella Teresa convey what Allah has revealed to you about Ali because if you don't convey what Allah has revealed to Batali, then you haven't conveyed your message at all, then an entire story sketches to what happened Rasulullah sallallahu cinemas, in Hodge, and in Haji wants to announce to the people, but it feels like what what are people going to reject? He wants to announce to the people that at least my successor, but then he's afraid what must I do? So then a lot of lies

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to admonish him better convey now because you don't convey now when everything is a failure. So he stops at the place between Makkah and Medina call a hardier home, the pole of home or the home he stops there and stops everyone's Everyone listen.

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Am I not the master of everyone here? Everyone says yes, he says In that case, if I'm your mo live, I'm your master than yours. Ali is also your molar. So the message was conveyed and thereby

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Ali's imama was announced to everyone.

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Next week inshallah we'll investigate this claim for now there's something else I wanted to say about it. Then something else is we all have heard about a thing called tequila. And what is that a year you hide your what you truly believe and say something else we can give a few other very funny descriptions of it, but that's not

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we'll have another session inshallah. There's such a lot to discuss that in future, but this is a contemporary she a writer His name is Mohammad Riva Mr. McCarney, he writes editorial notes to the book of his grandfather, commies. bajada. His grandfather is called Abdullah McCarney, he writes about tequila in there and he says, You see this thing called tequila.

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It's part and parcel of Islam. You want to know who made tequila

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emmalin and Hassan right here this one. But forget all of them. He says the greatest appear ever was made by Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam. What Allah tala tells him convey this thing about Ali. He didn't want to convey it. He was making tequila until Allah to force him You better say to entire mission is a failure. This isn't something written in the dark ages. This is something within in the 1990s today that even Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam is not being not above being criticized, not criticized, accused and slanted of having been the greatest maker of tequila.

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Now that we live in danik

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that's one area we need to look at take a closer look. Now what will happen these are that we will be taking a look at next. The Quran as you have seen the Quran is uncommitted to any particular the Quran is not saying this is about Ali only we believe those few you know strange extraneous theory wire that says the word free Ali was in there. The Shia themselves are too ashamed to acknowledge is the wire today Today they say all of these the wire all these narrations in the books, these are all invalid rewired, okay, finally they say so leave that aside. The fact is, the is still isn't saying what they wanted to say. There's only one way in which they can make it what they want you to say,

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produce it and rewired from the books of the listener. They can have a hard if they're going to bring a Hardee's and add those iron to those a hardy, those are Hardee's will give a certain coloration to the idea. And then the person believes that this is the absolute truth. Now, it's going to be extremely important to ascertain what degree of authenticity those are hidey hole, and this is an area Forgive me, my colleagues, the llama, but most of the older man able even to do that, to separate between what is and what is life? If this is the case was most of our allameh What about the fellow whose last study of Islam was when he read the third use to his halifa when he was

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75. What else does he know about his Deen but now he's grown up. He's a university student. He's an intellectual or a pseudo intellectual. That pseudo intellectual is now going to decide on the basis of information provided to him by a Shia, saying this is from a Sony book and this is very, very authentic. This is exactly what is happening right now. People are making decisions and they don't have the knowledge on the basis of which to make these decisions, what kind of decisions they are making the decisions on which day john and john depend and they are prepared to make it so what's gonna happen we're going to look at I add to those I add certain hobbies will be connected and on

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the on the basis of a combination between the idea and the Hadeeth. The claim will be made that there it is, on top of it that a hobby that will be produced will not be brought from sheer UI from She has also it won't be formal coffee, it won't be from Allah, it will be from so many sources, and the claim will be made. You see your Sunni or Lama they haven't informed you that this is in there. It's been there all along. It's almost similar to what we say to the Al Kitab. We say to the Jews and the Christians mentioned our visa

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A lot of Salamis they in the in your books. You're a foreigner who come home but they hide it away that gives us a certain idea that gives us idea you can't trust the scholars so the she I've seen that same model work with regard to the annual Kitab the way the Quran uses it, so they tried here as well. Your Sunni alumni have not informed you about all these rewired they haven't informed me that in this particular book there is that rewire they didn't inform me that in the holidays this a Muslim will have those days that how would the youngster know what is the difference between Buhari and Mr. raffia those when many Allah would be flabbergasted when you know to make a distinction

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between these two, but this is what's happening. Right That's one idea that we will be looking at. Another idea that we'll be looking at

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in nama Valley yo como la hora, Soto Lavina Lavina up masala Toyota kata wahoo Morocco. You your Wali is only Allah

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in nnamani yo como la, your body, you know only meaning what the one who has authority over you. Your Wali is only Allah and His soul and the believers were believers who establish salah and who gives aka and they make ruku

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Warhammer, okay? Now look at this givings occur

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and making records. So very soon, a rewire came about the way it goes as follows. Once a beggar came into the masjid, begging from everyone.

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No one gave him anything. I leave now Vitaly Ravi Allahu anhu. Was there in the masjid and he was in Rico at that time was busy making Salah. So when he saw no one giving this big anything in his ruku, he took off his ring and gave it to the beggar. So this is shows your Wali the one with authority over you is only Allah and His Rasool and olive now Vitaly, no one else has that kind of authority over you on the basis of a story such as this, this story appears in our Tafseer books, it appears in our Hadees books, but merely appearing in the book is no guarantee of authenticity. Remember Salman Rushdie, Salman Rushdie also made certain certain claims what was his book called The Satanic

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Verses, those Satanic Verses that also appears in some Tafseer or the other that appears in books as well. And all of us were up in arms to the extent that the late Khomeini gave a fatwa of what killed him. Why? Because but what about the fact that it's in the book, the fact that something is in a book doesn't mean that it is authentic, there is a methodology for determining what's authentic, and what's not authentic. And that is what we will have to investigate this kind of eye art will come. These are the kind of area that they will know very well. They will also mentioned to you in NEMA URI de la Huni, Yogi bang Kumar Regis LBT. While you're here on top of

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this, it doesn't only belong in that it has other uses as well, that she I know it very well as well. They know it very well, because on the base of this, they claim that they're completely infallible. The rule by these times they cannot make a mistake, because Allah Allah said he has purified them. So if they are pure, they completely purified them, they're better than all the other Sahaba better and higher, even then the anemia on a heart on the base of these a hottie, what we will have to do, we'll have to look at these IR we'll have to look at the meanings of certain words in these ayat, what's the meaning of the word Wali? What's the meaning of tough here? What's the

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meaning of you read. So we will look at the meanings of words, then what's very, very important is to look at the IR within its context, because you take an IR divorce it from its context, and you can do with it whatever you want to. And second, a Thirdly, we will then have to investigate the authenticity of these rewired. Originally, this discipline of separating authentic from an authentic, why did it come about how did it come about? Why did our Allah first start moving in a direction this was in a time of a tabea in already late, you know, the Sahaba earlier of the web? Why did they start moving in the direction of separating authentic from an authentic exactly because

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of these people that were spreading these rewired, people were spreading rewired, falsi wired, so we developed a system, that system tells us that he Sahih that's authentic, and that is the if that's unauthentic and that is Mordor. That is a forgery, now is not going to be very viable for us to have a whole class in how to separate authentic from an authentic but the basics there off, and then the application of the basics that inshallah is what we will be doing in our following.

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In our following listening shala tonight's lesson, however, was just a touch on the concept of Imam in the Quran. What we have seen over in Iraq in the Quran, we've scan we surveyed all of those ayat we see that the Quran doesn't make engine. The Quran doesn't recognize a concept of imama as a divine station of leadership, distinct and separate from that of Nobu. If there is then it is any mama of either good or bad. If there is then it's any mama which even you and I can aspire to

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And sometimes

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and sometimes Imam and the Quran is a book and sometimes the man in the Quran is a road. The word Imam has various usages v1 is that might possibly have meant what they thought it means, in terms of his context, divorce from those particular faults the UI at which they ascribe to the demands, divorced from that the IRC is very, very in line with what happened in history. And that is Sai Brahim, Allah. You know, Ali salatu salam became the progenitor of the great fights of this world, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, perhaps even other religions. Beyond that, that was the Imam of Ibrahim, nothing above that, then we have briefly touched on some of the highlights we will want to

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look at from next week onwards, it's on these ayat that people argue for the acceptability of this particular concept. It's not only there, the proofs for imama the arguments in support of em ama is number one, the Quran, these are the kinds of IR that will they will use, after the Quran, the Hadith. Now, that's going to be a very, very interesting study. If you complete these three for IR next week, then the week thereafter, or maybe the week thereafter, we will start looking at the Hadith on the issue. Some of those are javita, valid, authentic, Sahih Hadith, but they've been twisted out of context and being given a different meaning. And some of those things are absolutely

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unfounded. We need to look at them, survey them, in order that when someone comes to me, and tells me Did you know about this, did you know about that I've seen I've been there, I've done that I know what it's all about, you're not going to convince me of the other way around. And we will be able to teach our children the same. And we will be able to teach our friends and keep this idea keep this information alive. Because if it's swine flu, which is out there, then we inoculate ourselves against it. If it's a different kind of flu that's out there, then we inoculate ourselves against it, we can only inoculate ourselves not through some kind of fluid pumped into the body, but through

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the nor of ion of Meriva of information pumped into our minds and our hearts. May Allah tala thereby give us the opportunity, the ability to save God, the stability of this community, ourselves and our children, not for now, but for for for the future, as far as long as this community exists at the southern tip of Africa, that this community remain safe from a danger, which wherever it has been, has always invariably, without exception, lead to bloodshed of the kind that we see happening in the world.

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In the SEO world, we have basically two groups they are the Arab Shia and the other Iranian Shia.

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The question is, why is Khomeini also given the title of Imam in I've said that they are Arab Shia, they are known out of the non Arab Shia, the Persians and then perhaps the indo Pakistanis as well. Amongst the indo Pakistan is the word human is very, very rarely used for anyone but the father the 12 Imams, but in the Arab world, the title Eman is applied much more easily readily to great allamah amongst them as well. So but when they do poorly, many Imam they definitely do not elevate him to the status of the 12 that would be as bad as males are claiming to be an OB. When they say Imam they mean they're by the leader of the revolution. Beyond that, they might mean a great olimp such as the

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case of Iraq is what they call it level caminho diagnosis attorney many would call him mm hmm your immune system, but they would never associate with him. The same kind of powers the same kind of authority and status that the 12 imams have. So it's merely a matter of using a word a bit interchangeably.

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Did you 50 years ago

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because we're waiting for you there's no

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I cannot answer for everyone else. I cannot answer for everyone else. But I would say right now I would very much Let bygones be bygones and make a fresh start from here onwards. What we haven't done we haven't done but that's what under the bridge inshallah from here onwards for the Baraka railfan Alhamdulillah something has started and from what I see, it seems here that next week we'll have to move to a new venue is getting fuller and fuller hamdulillah but the fact that he's getting fuller and fuller shows that there's a thirst out there, there's a person that thirst needs to be quenched and therefore the Samoan forgive the old Mr. Burnett not having done anything in the past

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it was it was not right we can go back now and say it wasn't the right thing to do.

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Guilty as charged.

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But we listening

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to lower

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looking for the question the question is a lot a lot Anastasia you're Latina, Manu, RP Allah, wa p or Rasulullah. What will you marry me

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obedience, obedience to Allah. obedience to the law soon, and obedience to only remain calm. Only the ones of the armor. Armor means command. And what is the person in command? We the hallucinogen. We take that to mean whoever happens to be ruling as Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam said sallow Hamza, come waso Moshe Huracan

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well, lt o Morocco man, am I missing something and heading solo Hamza Khan was

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Polycom wa t o ma commented Hello Jana Tara become what do you do? Make yourself

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fast in the month of Ramadan? Give us a car and be obedient to your rulers. And you will enter Jannah So who are the rulers? That's the same dilemma that we speaking about the that's the same old armor that Allah refers to the other Ayah when he says that armor armor in this community it's a sign of this community that well i'm wrong sure ah but you know, it's not by Allah divine appointment is by Shura. This community himself itself decides, let's read on with the eye.

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We have to obey Allah, we have to obey Rasulullah sallallahu sallam, and the reason we have to be the rulers, because we have to have regular life has to be regulated. Now just imagine the chaos that will ensue when I decided no longer obeying my government, you get just governments in to get unjust governments.

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But if your government is just what do you do, you have to obey. The government says don't drive faster than a certain speed. I say I'll drive at whatever speed I want to the government says Mooney, Pella, Monahan stelia, seal all the fellerman all of these kinds of things are regulations that are made regulations are made in order that life goes according to a certain pattern. Tamar family approaches what he said but i.

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So this is where we need to obey because life we need structure we need regulation.

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But is the when Allah says something it is Huck. When Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam say something it is Huck. If we assume for a moment, that only Amara means the Imams of the Ahlul Bayt, those 12 Imams, then what they say must also be hot because they are even higher than Gambia. Let's now look at the rest of the year for internal zaton fishy if you dispute amongst yourselves, you want to know what's the Huck ferodo illa Allah, take it back to Allah because whatever Allah says is Huck or Rasool take it back to the sudo Allah Allah Allah Allah because the Hadith is Huck. And what about Allah doesn't teach here because everything a government says you know tuck this doesn't refer to

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the mama now, just a moment, yes, not so fast. I want to take another opportunity. Why must the she or anyone else for that matter?

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resort to IR such as these? What are these are the very, very clear appeal allow to Rasool Wali Anwar Hassan Anwar Hussain, they don't like that, tell me is allowed tada afraid of mentioning a name. If Allah had wanted this oma to believe in 12 Imams, he would have mentioned the names like you mentioned the name of Ibrahim and masahisa.

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This He is such a loss to account for the absence of the names of the Imams in the Quran, that they have taken a yard completely out of context and say, Well, you see, this is what the ayah really means. For example,

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they will see the Adobe dimension in the Quran in so many areas is the idea that you mentioned is only one example. So many different AI are some of them.

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We're not here to ridicule anyone, but sometimes the kind of things you come across. It brings a smile to your face and perhaps a chuckle to your throat as well. Well Ohara Boca ILA Natalie Anita levy mineralogy Balibo yo Amina szegedi one Im IRA shown a lot a lot revealed to the bee

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it does he mean LG Dolly get make houses for yourself in the mountains and in the trees and in the structures that men build what is this now the miracle of honey the miracle of the bee a lot of this going attention to it that she has is no no you didn't understand? What O'Hara okay? The National Lottery reveal to the Napoleon Hill is a man's

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and he he the mineralogy burly booth and the gbl is not mountains the G bar is the Arabs So get yourself follows from the Arabs wamena shahryar This is the ajam the Persians are non Arabs get yourself out up followers Get yourself some followers and get yourself followers from them awali Why me my family in other words, the slaves as well. These should be your followers. I'm asking the question can allow a lot that is what does he need to fear anyone? If a lot of the ones who say something he will say something? Why should you hide references to a great leader such as imama in the be O'Meara galvanneal Tachyon Bina Omarosa hola Yo, for the Toka Viva Mirage, Allah, Allah

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Allah, Allah and Fatima together by Nina Houma barossa Hello

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Are you a Boolean? between the two of them there's a barrier they don't cross that barrier. Ali doesn't transgress against fathima fathima doesn't grace those gates against Ali horologium in Houma, a low wall margin out of Ali and Fatima, Hassan and Hussain era is a lot a lot unable to say that he brought Ali and Fatima together must Allah to speak tongue in cheek. Must Allah tala speak in riddles, the Quran is not a book of rules. In our basic essential archive the Quran is not a book of rules. Yes. Sometimes we need to apply our minds to the Quran to see what does a lot of really say a lot of us says well, Metallica to be unforeseen now thalassa Guru, a woman gotta talaq. Now

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she must wait three Kuru. Now some imams say three. Kuru means three, three in periods. Some say it means three highest periods, that kind of love. But is that an essential aqidah? There's an essential Akita when Allah Allah wants to tell us about the essential Aqua he says, Mama yuck for Billahi min mala ekati wakatobi Rosalie wanyama, aka Bella Bella Merida,

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we can go on all night long with IOD such as this, I think you get the point. She has the brothers that is enough for a long time they

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is that the komentar question

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often comes

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from the supervisor so

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I think our brother might not have been here last week, we are discussing particularly a concept.

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No, last week, we discussed what we mean when we speak about a Mamiya. With all due respect.

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If the Buddha knows what we're talking about this he I have a belief in karma. I think our friend would be aware of that.

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You're aware of the fact that this year I have a belief in karma.

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Okay, what they believe about an Imam is a mom is a person who's higher than an OB. It's got nothing to do with an imam of amazi than a mom in this community. Not that that's not what we are speaking about.

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I was talking about.

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Oh, I think yeah, that's beyond the point. No, we said initially, if there's gonna be certain questions that not connected to the topic, I'll have to say it's irrelevant. But since above us, the difference between in our community basically what any man wants to hear a person who leads the community might not have gone overseas to study or something that we generally tend to call him an Imam. If he went overseas to the Middle East to study they will call him a Shia is just a matter of what term you apply to something. But our topic here is not about that.

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ever noticed in Western

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and others that this because of the

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Elizabeth Warren

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with all due respect, absolutely irrelevant, brother. Absolutely. If you want to at another venue, the topic that you're speaking about, by all means, but this year is about

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No, no, no, no, no, no. You know what we call our greatest leaders. We call them Mr. Shafi Imam, Abu hanifa. We call them that.

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For example, we rescue

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in the cases of polio.

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we have significant lead it should not matter. A bonus irrelevant. Similar thing.

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We said in the beginning of the meeting in mirnas, emergencies irrelevant it's irrelevant that we stop and the children look at other questions. Yes, look at the job.

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Just use

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your head it sounds as

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if he should

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but it's not it's not

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but he's not.

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He's not. Jeff Jeff, Jeff, Jeff given two minutes to make a statement for the given

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two minutes to make a statement with the statement what not to say

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but the last time we

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out of this the fitness world on with the Rolling Stones, many of us do

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what we

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can do

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as soon as

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there's no justification, for example, today with

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a quarter

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percent of our against it. The point is that there are two things that we are worried about here. You have a problem with ideas do you have a problem Don't you have a problem? You have a problem why?

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So you got the right to say a Korea is not a Muslim.

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Oh, thank you very much. Do you know that this year I have 12 men who regard higher than

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not 112

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but then you're not aware inshallah, come next week. sit in front, comes in front. That's all Buta Lear, we understand your concerns drug is a major concern or is not our only concern.

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The question is was the present Imam of the Shia and where is he right now? the present moment this year is believed to be Muhammad Adnan Hassan Alaska. He was born in the year 260 after the hegira in 265 after hijra, you know we are in 1420 1430 now, but 265 1200 years ago, he is believed to have gone in what is called hierba. What is Riba? occultation is hidden from our site? He exists somewhere we don't know where he will come back at the end of time. They say he is a mama of the present time. Whether he does exist or does not exist, they will say he does we will say he doesn't we've got doesn't answer the question.

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Well, he's not here to speak for themselves. We as representatives, according to them, is representatives other column of this year, leading on them obviously, in Iran, in Iraq, in Lebanon, various different ones. We have a question from the sisters, they ask the question are the 12 imams aware that they are elevated, elevated to that status? inshallah, in a future lectures, we will touch upon this issue in greater detail. In short, the answer is no, the Imams are not even aware that people have elevated them to this when they became when it became it became known to them, that they are people who elevate you to this particular status. They sound they made it very clear to

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distance themselves from this particular belief, Satan. Satan as a no Liberian was believed by the Shia to be the fourth of the revamps when he came to know what people say about him, that he is this great Imam who is the rightful leader who is higher than the Nabhi everyone must obey who keeps heaven and earth in existence. When he came to notice he made a public statement he says, Are you a nurse, or a buena have been Islam for Allah He masala Hoboken? Vina Hata as mahalo inara he says people, if you love us love us in the way that Islam tells you to love us. Because the kind of love you've given to us is such that it has become a blemish on our names that people are saying the

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Imams of probate are the ones who teach people this kind of things. They had nothing of the kind to do. This was a lobby Dean, he had a son. He had a son Paul Zane even Holly, that son became Shalini 121 in another interesting story, which will recount some other time. So there is a demon alley you see these early Imams, they were based in Medina, these members of the hill by based in Medina, now you're living in Medina in Iraq back then it was long before the age of the telephone and the cell phone and the email. In Iran hundreds of kilometers away. People will ascribe things to you that you don't know of. But the amounts are based in Medina Zayed even Annie was the first to set out on

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Medina and travel he came to Coover. He made people aware of the sheer narrating ideas, teaching people beliefs about the deen which he says you know what? I've never I am the son of zainul RBD I'm the son of that Imam. So he speaks to the person. The person is called, generally called the mystical shaman talk that he actually moved me no talk, but he goes to me

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Way is this belief. Where did you get this belief from? He says from your father, he taught me this. He says, You know what, my father, I was a little kid, my father used to keep me on his lap. And my father was so concerned for my well being, that he should take a morsel of food, and he waits till it cools, and then he puts in to my mouth, because he did not want the food to burn my mouth. Now you telling me, my father would not have taught me about those belief of imama and allow me to be thrown into jahannam within one my mouth to be burnt?

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So the shape and the talker a very good answer for him ready shadowboxes, you see, your father knew something else, your father knew if he was gonna teach you about your mama, you would reject it. So your mother didn't teach you on an FTM you can still make fools profit by low dollar

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published a couple of videos concerning

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this one issue we had

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to come up with etc, for us. Now, the other other side as a Christian himself outside, it may not be the full set of six, but again, how do I relate to actually work and

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the other person outside of people 4049 for the

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information, consistent content, I mean, is much, much, much, much, much more with

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a question or an observation.

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days and

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costs of last week, and

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the call by radio seven in six months more or less famous faith.

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forums like this, we should be talking about unity, and sitting together and then I look at other documents and because of the principle of environment, and we don't believe in the environment

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around us. So technically, we all fall in

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The observation is very valid.

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But we must recognize something she hasn't been any other similar idea that will come into a society such as ours, they will always put the best foot forward No one's going to come into a society such as this and pronouns or other propagate Shiism by saying, so nice scarfs it's not gonna happen because you closing your own doors, that she I have an advantage we don't have, we are forced under all times to speak the truth. Only under most dire circumstances, can you rely upon the truth, they put a gun to your head and say, you say, Jesus God, then you do it. To save your life. The Shia have the same kind of latitude, much, much more than that, in any little thing. They can resort to a

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compromise of honesty. So a compromise of honesty, saying things somewhat differently, looking at the long term advantages. So they will speak things for 30 years, they've been speaking that we have to speak unity. I mentioned the example of the use of Al qaradawi. Again, I mentioned him before I mentioned him again, for 30 years, he's been one of those who's been asking for, let's go get into differences. The Muslim world doesn't need this right now.

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The result has been when he came to open his eyes, he saw that in most in Sunni Muslim communities, Shia propagation is going on all the time. Now, this is where our problem lies. Look, if the Shia came to this country of ours, keep to themselves. This did their little thing. And let us do our thing that we've always been doing. I think there wouldn't have been a gathering like this. But how many of us are sitting here and no family members, friends, relatives, that have converted to Judaism? And that is only the first step. That first introduction to Shiism, they're not getting the full picture either. Therefore, I think I tried to make it very clear last week that what we are

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about here, if you want to know about the nice face of Shiism, you go to the veteran on the other side. He be able to show that there is another side that she has.

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You mustn't use

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they will Investment

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a series of their own cities.

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sort of the last one sort of the last point first. I don't think anyone can point a finger at me for having called the sciacca.

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I think in fact there are people sitting here who are very much object will very much objective, the fact that I don't call them coffee McLachlan, I don't call them coffee with a blanket. So either you've misheard something, something is wrong, I didn't call it coffee. You've heard that first one. International Affairs, local affairs. If one is always going to make a connection between international affairs, local affairs, nothing will ever get done on the ground, if today's barack obama speech or even have something else to say, the point is that we need education about the Shia. You want education about the Shia, from the Shia point of view, Where is the bathroom, you can go

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there and no one's stopping you from it here from a Sunni perspective. You know, at university, they have atheists teaching theology,

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because he's an expert in the subject.

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An atheist can teach you about God, and why he doesn't believe in it as well. They don't bring an atheist and a priest on the same podium and say, now you teach together I think you've got it wrong and what's happening to universities. I think you've got that one very wrong, then provocation. But

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am I okay, am I wrong in what I stated now, this will not know by all means.

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You spoke you're speaking about education.

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That's interfaith that's interfaith. This is not an interfaith gathering. This is a Sunni, giving you a Sunni. Oh, by the way, has spent many years studying Shiism, from its original sources, not from contemporary sources only from his original sources. So the point is that if you're going to have a Shia setting, you know it's going to happen, it's going to go on and it's going to go on is going to go on. The point is that for many years, the Shia 2030 years she has been teaching Shiism has our brother ever asked more than after Hadar? Why don't you bring a Sunni Harling to represent the Sunni side as well. Now when the Sudanese are doing something for themselves, this is

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provocation. This is now not objective enough. Don't we have a right? Don't we as soon as have a right to have an opinion on Shiism? As a provocation? Anything that I've said here? Is it provocative have I asked anyone to go out and engage in vigilante activity Ganesha several times this week, and last week, I said, this is not the way to go. This is about information. This is about information. You want information, you come here, you want provocation, he goes somewhere else. If some of the things that I've said is provocative, then it's as provocative as the late Alma de that was when he spoke about Christianity, because the fact is that there are things in the Bible

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that are ridiculous. There are things within Judaism, which are like it or not ridiculous. We have a right to be aware of those things.

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received the letter watching this meeting the latest it's clearly there will be occasional thing for those who love the answer.

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So it can't be invited to the original agenda. Anybody else? 10 minutes, not only which is okay, that

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was pleasant. Last question.

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High School

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how many stitches

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so that we can structure how we

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accordingly Thank

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you. She knows the finishes, you can certainly motivate

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the fact that they don't have an answer for you shows that we haven't done anything for 30 years yet.

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I don't know how long it's going to take. It's the first time we playing it by ear

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30 years of badass a chef.

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I don't have an answer. I wish I could. Because if we've done this several times before, I would be able to tell you immediately is going to take five lectures or 15 lectures, I don't quite know. I don't quite know where we're going to end with playing it by ear sci fi those for now. Share it with you want to put a finger to it, let's say from now to the end of the year, at the end of the year, nearly out of the status we're in Shall

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I last night.

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but not

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for the many of the of the families that will probably

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appreciate and just want to say something whether it's a comment I have a comment upon a comment. It is exactly for these reasons that we have to have these sessions. We know many of our judge went to MCC and came back with literature from they tell me to the Saudis have a right to as a Shia please don't provoke please don't spread literature come for Hajj by all means. You know if the Saudis would tell the shears don't come for any longer the whole world would be up in arms, they haven't done it. They're not the best rulers in the world. No, they are not. But the fact is that they still being gracious and the shears are coming, but advantage is being taken at every step advantage is

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being taken at every step. And look at the responses which we are getting the responses which we are getting says hi do this at a time like this. Why do it at all,

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is because there's a very fine balance between Sunni and Shia

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and who upsets at balance time and again, who encroaches upon territory who sends missions to countries such as ours. I don't think anyone in South Africa Saudi Arabia Egypt anyone has ever sent a mission to Iran

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but we constantly get missions to come into our country. That's where the balance is being upset. It might have taken 30 years but it has started

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leave a comment so we are unable to

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delete or not but I blame my team suppose that reason here tonight and I blame now take him to task and then we can sell the data. That will be the last question

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have a chance to question and because of that I can show

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both and also people he's ended up first.

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Other than that, I appreciate

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it. Oops.

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Next week inshallah, Mona things you can show us also

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one of

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the visit

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is part one

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of the MTC

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stands for

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number three now.

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accept money from the person

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support she has

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she she is

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it makes it funny.

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We are not Catholics. We have leaders we don't have Pope's our leaders are not always right.

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If monessen went to the right center if Sergey blows made the statements either it is wrong, but what he has done is not necessarily the hack. The hack is what a lot of secondly, never has it been said or will it be said in this gathering he has a coffee, it's not going to be that's not gonna happen. So usually when Gabriel said that they are Muslim, he's not the only one who has said it. Many others have said the fact that someone is a Muslim, even a drug lord has got a Muslim name is a Muslim out there. That means absolutely nothing. But what we are out here for is not to determine whether people are Muslim or not what is she is all about. Do we know what she has our you know, all

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of us when it came to the Guardian is we were there. Our brother there was prepared to give to our guardian is out of the fold. Armada is out of the fold. Why? Because we know one little thing about Guardian is that they believe it is a what is an OB What do we really know what she is? Honestly What do we really know about she has

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nothing we are here to start learning about it. This is not going against what anyone said whether they are Muslim or not. You will leave from here the end of this and you will be left to make up your own mind if these things which we have quoted from the books are exactly as they are in those books. We don't want to say that these people are Kafeel that's not what we're here about. We are here Do you know what she is in is all about after having said that they are Muslim or they are not Muslim? Do you know what she ism is all about? That's what we're here to learn about. And the last one The thing about all First, let me say one axon went out there you know why you went out there?

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You went out there for the same reason if qaradawi and others were for so many years embracing this year, because why? For the sake of the unity of the Muslims worldwide, we are prepared to make those overtures we are in prepared to embrace but when we go into that embrace after a while we start feeling a little dagger poking at the back. We start finding that missions are coming to our country. If Sunni is our right she has a right we Oh brother Brother, why missions in our country why spreading of books in the Sahaba having the ugliest possible things said about them go to bed center now you will get the book called. Then I was guided in the digital we said Holly evenin Walid

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is no sort of Allah he's a couple sort of the devil.

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Now Has anyone ever taken offense at a little Bates plating this kind of idea?

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I think if you're going to spread criticism around, spread it equally all over the show, but you can only be done after information. This is where you come for information.

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The money thing, the money thing is it halaal job is to take money from a person. If the person's money is halaal is earn it in a halal manner we can accept his money. If he's earned his money in the Haram manner. It's got nothing to do with him bringing people from Iran over here that's got no bearing on where his money is Hello, not his money screen. It's clean.

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Apology he allowed to Krishna, the ladies, please.

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Apologize for them.

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Ladies, nothing.

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So the law model we're

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trying to get