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Thought Provoking Questions to Transgenders – Speakers Corner – Hyde Park

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Mohammed Hijab

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Is there a Christian?

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Because she's wearing a gay pride thing?

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We were taking photos.

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Transgender, transgender

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is a difficult one to

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come up with common

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question I

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get asked about

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this is for me, I find it really interesting.

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I find it really interesting.

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I find interesting. Yeah, there's two reasons like one of them is, is split the feminist movement.

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So the feminist movement seems to be divided on the idea of trans like what to do, in certain circumstances. We're trying to transgender people. And it's also split homosexuals. Like so I feel like some homeless.

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So can I ask you some questions? Because for me, yeah, cuz I like

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No, just trying.

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Are you trying?

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Okay.

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Okay, cool. Really?

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Who is trying to?

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Last one? All right. Let me ask a question. Do you know why I find interesting?

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Consider the following scenario. Because, you know, this is why I find the contentious issues on

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sports out there like sports.

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Mixed Martial Arts, football, even rugby. Lots of sports. Yeah. Well, I think society has agreed to that. One, gender has a biological.

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Alright, so. So males have a biological advantage over females for

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males?

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Because that's simply

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the women.

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Exactly. So now, let me put you in a certain situation asked you guys a question. Right? Say for example, you have a translate yourself? Or actually, let's let's let's make it the opposite way. Yeah. So you have someone who is

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a male who becomes female. All right. All right.

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Would you protect that person's right?

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to let's say, for example, they wanted to participate in sport. Obviously, they're allowed to participate in sport. Yeah. They want to participate in sport. Would you protect their right to for example, a man became a woman, too, because they want to be identified as women. Right? That's it, they want it. They don't want to be even known as a man anymore. That's right.

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So So man, yeah. Could they now participate in a woman's side of it? Should they be able to? Okay, now, this is the thing because a lot of feminists would argue that they shouldn't. And those feminists, I'm not saying they're right or wrong, I just want your opinion, right?

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Those feminists would argue that hold on, because actually, this is where the lines between what is referred to as a social construction, and what's a biological reality become blurred, because here, we know that testosterone is a is obviously a hormone, which is which, which enhances your strength and enhances your biological abilities, right? Yes. So if that is the case, if someone even if they've had like hormone blockers, and if they had like the whole operation, even if they've had that whole system, you will still have an enhanced hormonal biological advantage from a successful perspective, right? So some would argue it's just like taking steroids. Like you're not allowed to

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take steroids in most sports. Yeah. So how would you answer? So they'll say, look, it's not fair. For someone who has gone through that whole transformative process yet retains a lot of the biological advantage of being a man to be able to participate in a woman only thing like that, in fact, would could be argued that if they do participate, that will be depreciating from women's rights, because women have a right to fair contest, right? So can you see the two sides Okay, tell me how you resolve it.

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That person is seen as female and biologically

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female

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hormone blockers.

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Yes, they will retain some of that masculine genes. And they will still have the male chromosome. Yes, it can be important.

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I still think they're still going

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as a female.

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Participant, a female,

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basically. So you think you think that the right of that person to participate in the gender of their, of their chosen gender? Is it Trump's? Yeah, we don't like Trump. I think we're both on the same on the same track. But it Trump's The, the advantage that they may get

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depends on the person because

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some men are very smart, but not very strong. I think personally, it would depend on the person

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by case or something. Yes. Well, you know what that was suggested? Because if you if you if we had it that way, yeah, then you'd have some women.

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Yeah, but the point is this discrimination still exists against transgender people. Because some people will be judged.

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guy's got this, this woman, right, has too much testosterone in her body. So the issue is him.

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It seems like a question with no answer. You see what I mean?

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It seems like a question with no answer. Yeah.

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You get me? You get me. Okay. Let me ask you another question. Let me ask you another question. Now we have boy schools and girl schools now it's gonna become more easy, right? This is easy.

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Okay, you just

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do to me identify and publicly as transgender, they appointed me, I can't change in the male currency because of the biology of the males. I'm because I'm a female. So instead, they've made the unstable twist into gender neutral terms. So I'm able to go in there. What do you think about it?

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Yeah, I think that's quite liberating. Because I don't have to be a female. I don't have to be

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liberating, but also, I know, for me, it was a little bit degrading.

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Coming from, if you think about it, you're not gonna have a female biologically, I'm female. You're not gonna have me changing with a bunch of boys. Okay.

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Listen, I like your thinking in a way. Yeah. I like your open mindedness. I'll be honest with you. I don't find your open mindedness among other transgenders. Some assumptions are gay, some people are very militant.

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Right? Think your, your approach is a bit more fresh, because frankly, we'll ever

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know

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that what you've said,

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is fair enough, considering the circumstances. Let me tell you why. Because frankly, if we were living in it, we're living, this is the age we're living in now. Right? We're living in an age where it's very possible

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for there to be some kind of policy change. Where now because this is one of the contentious ones, like where do we put translate, for example, a transgendered man at one point, so someone who's had a sex change and become a woman? Yeah. At what point? Should they be allowed into the woman's toilet?

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As soon as they identify? Yeah. Okay. Let me ask, I want to get all of their opinions, though.

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Guys, can I get your opinion on something?

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As soon as as soon as they identify?

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So let me challenge you.

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So let me let me let me challenge you on that. Right. So for example, if I

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made it difficult if I had to do a secretary, I think I'd be some kind of, I'd have a serious advantage.

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Let's be honest.

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And it wouldn't be an easy operation. Anyways, the point is this if somebody

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transferred from being a man to woman only by virtue of just actually saying, Okay, now I'm a woman now. Yeah, you're saying that the point I wish they should be allowed into Minnesota is the point to which they identify Yeah.

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Are you LGBT as well? Yeah. Well,

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what does that mean? Can you tell me?

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No way. Really? Yeah.

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What do you mean by Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is really interesting. This is well, this one here. No, hold on, hold on.

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You see this question of what we'll put on the side for a second, this gender fluidity here.

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I'm gonna actually challenge you a little bit. Okay, let's challenge.

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You said some days you feel male.

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And some days you feel female. Okay. Do you accept that you accept that notions of masculinity and femininity are social constructs?

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Are you with me? Listen to me carefully. Do you accept that notions of femininity are social constructs? In other words, you would argue, right? That the idea of woman preferring pink, or the idea of woman being in the house, kitchen, all that stuff? That's a social construct based on the patriarchal society, right.

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Okay, you accept this? Right? ideas of masculinity, therefore, are also socially constructed. Okay. Do you accept that? Yeah. All right.

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If you accept that, which, by the way, personally, I don't accept it completely. There is some truth in it, some are not completely accepted. Well, if you accept that,

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it feels like Okay, I understand. Can you see my question, but my question here is gonna be how do you define gender fluidity when gender has lost meaning, because there is no such thing as if because if femininity and masculinity are social constructs, then you can't say I feel masculine, or I feel feminine, because both of those things are subjective value judgments, which are socially constructed reality, maybe is the case that gender fluidity is a socially constructed reality. How do you know that what you're going through is not socially constructed?

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How do you know it's gender fluidity and it's not just hormonal mood swings, that literally you feel angry at one point and that you know, how do you know how would you also differentiate between those things?

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How do you know like, for example, when was it when were you? When did you feel manly? What do you feel like a man? like

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okay, fine, but what you say your gender fluid? Yeah, those days we feel like I'm like command to put it crudely obviously, that has socially you know, constructed implications.

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Or you are using a fluid. Okay, I can ask you both those days you feel like a man.

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First of all, how do you know you feel like a man?

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What does that mean? What does that mean? What do you do?

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Stick with me stick around because it's interesting for me Go ahead.

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This you feel more masculine. So tell me what that means.

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So tell me like how some what.

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So give me some things that you feel when you feel masculine.

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When you feel

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like

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Oh, hold on, hold on.

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Yeah, you don't want to do that. Yeah.

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emotionally.

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aggression, or

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is it

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okay, let's stick with what you said. Right close.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I'm a man right? I identify as a man. So I know how it feels to be a man. Because that's all I

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have.

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Tell me what emotions we're talking about here that those days you feel a bit gender fluid a bit manly. Tell me those things.

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Just give me one emotion. Just one.

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There's no wrong answer. This is zero.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I want to be around more people who like

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me. Okay. Yeah.

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Girls, and we'll see.

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You may have some female friends where you feel more like a

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man

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What

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do you what do you do?

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What? Do you do anything other than activities? That's more.

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So let's get these girls involved as well because I want to know if you shush him like, honestly, I'm learning from you guys. Don't take this. I'm not like you get me. I'm just cuz I haven't met my whole life. I've met everyone. I've never met gender fluid. That's why I'm

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asexual, asexual. I think I've met some of those.

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They don't want to have

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it. I've met some people that claim to be like this, right? But I've never believed them.

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My Christian life is this. She was saying, I want her to pay attention. Should I call you, her or him?

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Okay, that's cool. And that makes it easier for me. I call them

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listen. Because we're trying to get to the bottom of such a such a such a, like, what is how do you feel when you're basically having your mail day? So she goes into more like male groups, playing sports a bit more things like that. So does that resonate with you a little bit? Or what? Why do you feel

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when you feel feel?

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What you feel like what kind of things you feel like what activities you do you ask and activities as well. What do you do that makes you feel free? Yeah.

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I believe that any, any activity they want to?

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Yeah, so how do you feel like when you're female, what do you feel?

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How do you know you're female? What do you do the way you act?

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What do you do? What do you do?

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I still do gender roles.

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I

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was like,

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Yeah.

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Okay. You see?

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This very annoying? Yeah. When you're playing sports or something? Yeah, I've heard that.

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Yes, like this go, what's your color? I'm gonna have you heard of a feminist writer, Courtney negozi.

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She wrote a book and she was talking about the things that women are inhibited from doing because of their, their physical breasts, as you mentioned, that one of those things is, is sports because of their physical breasts. So yeah, so before, when I was in primary school,

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feel like men look at themselves.

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I can ask another question. Since you guys are gender fluid on a serious level, like I want to ask, I want to understand, right now, I'm in a position of understanding you're teaching me You're the teacher and the learner. I'm the Krishna. Yeah. The question is this. You know, when you say them this you feel like you're your gender fluid? You feel like a male? Would you go as far as to say, and there's no right or wrong? I'll say sure. Your opinion? Would you go as far as to say that we should be afforded the right to participate with males, like for example, a sports or even

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a few.

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But you know, what I'm gonna ask you before, basically, at what point should males haven't? Because this goes back to the question we have before we were hearing when I said that if

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Mel describes now like he's not had the sex change per se, but now they identify themselves as a female. Should they be allowed in the female toilets? And most of you said, yeah, it should be. You said that you

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have different opinions. Okay, so what's your opinion? She's saying? Yeah, she's very strong.

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Are you are you treasure? Okay, so, what? So can you explain to me how cuz it's all? I don't

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know are you male to female? Female, female to male or female? Okay. Me personally.

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First.

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Yeah, I will go.

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Okay, can I play devil's advocate for you guys. Alright, so someone could argue that here if someone cuz you, I'm assuming your ingenuity. I believe you're genuine. Yeah, obviously right. But other people might not be genuine. Like, for example, my man here, right? Okay, I'm not gonna use

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my mind here. Right? He might have discretion ago. He Oh, he might want to just spy on someone. Right? He identifies himself as a female for about a week. Okay, now, seriously, this is a case because if we're talking about

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do you get what I mean? So so so that person hasn't had the sex change? She puts on a wig or something? And go goes into the

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toilet? Yeah. Yeah, so

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I think

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a lot more

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people analyzer in an offensive way I sense insecurities, aka 101 question. Yeah.

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I've recently I've just become a singer.

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I personally feel that if you were in, I feel like you've had bad experience with males. And I personally feel that if especially yourself, if you the way your eyes are moving the way you're, I personally believe that if you had a boyfriend, that would completely take away your agenda. I'm not saying go get a boyfriend. But you do. I mean, I'm not encouraging you to but however, I believe that each one of you

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made you feel like you was a woman. Go down the drain 100%. Completely. Well, she she feels like she

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has

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a question. Right? Yeah.

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You say you prefer to be a man? Yes. What does it mean to be a man?

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Can I tell you something philosophically? Yes. I will say to you that I don't believe you. Yeah, fully. I tell you why.

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Being a man is a first person subjective experience. Okay. You can only know how it feels like to be a man. If you are a man biologically. Okay. Would you accept that? Yeah. All right, fine. So if you felt because this is one thing that we'll talk about now is this idea of and this is a philosophical thing. nature versus nurture, right?

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Naturally, naturally, we're born in certain ways and we have to work out a sociologist or psychologist or whatever is, at one point, at what juncture Do we believe that society has a has an influence on human beings thinking? The reason why I kept asking you guys about masculinity and when when you because you guys are gender fluid and you you're obviously transgender? At what point do you feel like a man or woman and you said, Okay, well, when I cook I feel more like a woman. When I play football, football, I command you said that. You got me like I feel I want to be Um, I don't know what it is. But it's for quite a while now. It's just sort of been. I think it's more a look

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thing and like a feeling of like, I generally have really bad gender dysphoria and body dysphoria. And

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body dysphoria for me, is my weight. But gender dysphoria for me is my general general genitals. I get what you're saying. Yeah, I understand this was empathize with that. But what I'm saying to you is that this idea of First Person experience it's very important that for example, before I came into the I was watching this thing, guys, the robot new robot called Sophie, have you seen this? Sofia? It looks very go home and watch their work. Sophie, right. Sofia is one of the most probably the most like, interesting looking robots. Human like robots. Yeah. Now

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you can ask Sofia questions Sophie will answer but it's a robot at the end of the day. So artificial intelligence is high as well. So

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if someone came to you and said, you know, hold on, and this is not to take away from how you feel about Oh, yeah, right. And someone came to you and say I want to feel

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Like, I want to, I feel like Sophia, I feel like a robot, what would you say to them?

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Notice you, I'd say, I'm gonna respect you and that you wouldn't respect I would

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go for it. No, that's fine. I respect them as well for that no problem is your life. No question is, would you believe them?

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In other words, is there a way that they could know how it feels like to be like Sophie?

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Okay, if I ask you a question. Now, let's go. Let's go one step further. If you have, I'm not comparing this before anyone says anything. I'm not comparing this. Let's say for example, I say, look, I feel I want to be like a rhino.

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Oh, you know, I did that one point. When I was younger. When I was younger, I looked at I used to watch a lot of like, animal documentaries. And I was particularly fascinated with the lion. I know what you mean.

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If I was to be any animal, I'd probably be aligned. Why? Because king of the jungle.

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He's got the ability to tear down his opponent. You don't have to be as big as them. And look at them lion. It looks beautiful. Well, the question is, could I ever know how it feels like to be a lion? Of course not. You could, you could act

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like a lion.

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If I asked the people to call me the lions, Ah, that's my name. No, Lion. Ah, I want to make this part of the

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lion. Ah,

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okay, fine. But the point being is this. What point? And this is a question. It's an open question, guys. You know, I'm saying I'm not trying to.

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But I'm just saying at what point does society actually say But hold on. That's how you feel you want to be that's how you. And that is actually, I'm not going to use the word delusional at all right? But that is a thought process, which is a faulty cognition of some sorts, which needs to be remedied. So at what point? Would we call it gender neutrality or gender? At what point? Do you guys think that

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it's actually more advisable to remind? This is my question. To what At what point? Is it more advisable to remind human beings of their biological sex?

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And if not, then why does biological sex have anything to do with defining human beings as who they are?

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biologically,

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you get what I mean? Because it seems like for me, it seems like a catch 22 situation. Why? If you say that, okay, gender fluid. I feel man, sometimes I feel like a woman you're born is a biological woman. Yeah, I'll say that from your first person subjective experience, you can never actually feel how it is to be a man unless you are a man. Right? Yeah. Right? biological, biologically. Now, if you say no, hold on, because I feel like playing more sports, some days and cooking.

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Then we can turn around and say, Well, hold on, that's a social construction of what it means to be a man. And that's a social construction of what it means to be a woman. So it might not be

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the same thing. So someone,

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did you get what I mean? So that's why the trans transgender discussion transexual discussion is actually a very complicated one. Yeah, under liberalism, not under any other system. Obviously, our Muslim

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motto is really interesting, because at the time of the Prophet, there were men that had castrated themselves. Right. And yeah, and he, you know, he will treat with with great respect and whatnot. Yeah. But the point is, is that, you know, that's what we believe we believe in treating everyone with respect.

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However, the point is this on transgender transsexual discussion,

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is, it seems like from I'm not even thinking about it from religion perspective, or whatever, I'm just thinking about it from a sociological perspective. I'm saying it's very difficult for us to assert

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that hold on, we should call this person x because they, they feel like x. What actually feeling like x is socially constructed.

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Yeah, I do not.

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Like, the same time obviously as contradicting myself.