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The speakers emphasize the importance of an interactive session for online lectures, understanding the definition of intelligent entity, and the "elaing eye" in determining one's sexist or gayity. They stress the need for a system to judge and judge others, avoiding double-standing, and finding out who is a sexist or gay person. The speakers emphasize the importance of learning one's own spirituality to avoid confusion and the need for a balance between conservative and liberal views. They also share videos of the pilot's work to encourage action and emphasize the importance of learning one's own spirituality to avoid confusion.AI Generated Transcript ©
Okay, there are some Oracle morons aligned with gasm. So
what we want to do is we want to make this more of an interactive session, because we've got lots of lectures online, people can hear what we have to say, who will have the first question?
Yes, sir.
You have to speak up a little bit.
We have enough people
and
maybe conditions for the other side, I think
is, you know, very beneficial energy perspective. But I think when we are combining both of these different things from a piano that perspective, I think, for me, personally, the link isn't generated just because of one assumption that I think we don't address, normally. And that is the necessity I will say, before we move forward off the establishment of the possibility of a personal being, that there, we have this necessary being upon everything depends, it depends on no one is singular. And he has knowledge he has when he has power and all of these attributes. But how can we establish the possibility to a rational argument where they can take in that with the alternative,
that this being actually wants to repeat itself to its creation? And just because I think that is where I think there's a missing link here. Because when we're talking about the purpose of
everything that we need for the rest of the fact that this presents a meme wants to reveal itself to creation, and has a personal relationship with the creation. So I really want you to
talk about it. Sure. So what he's talking about is the difference between if you like, deism and theism, and
I like what buttons are worthy, I'm not sure if you is friend of yours, he's he's actually written something pretty good about this. And I'm going to repeat his argument as I know it, or I've understood it, because I think it's a very good link for what you're trying to establish. First of all, you look at the design argument for God's existence. So there are multiple design arguments for God's existence. But let me just give you an easy one, okay. You look at the universe, and the universe is regular, it is stable, and it is uniform, to the extent to which life can exist inside of it. These are uncontroversial statements, if I were to say the universe exists, number one,
number two, the universe exhibits regularity, stability, and uniformity, to the extent to which allows life to exist within it.
This is also almost incontrovertible, not many people would dispute it.
Now, the question that is raised is what is the best explanation for the fact that there is regularity and stability and uniformity, the extent to which you can allow life to exist the universe, that the universe is complicated, it's sophisticated, it has different moving parts inside of it, and that these parts are working in unison. To produce this result. What is the best explanation is the best explanation, intelligence or lack of intelligence? This one question is enough to get the point across, which is the point of an intelligent designer as the explanation or the inference to the best explanation for the state of affairs in the universe. Now, the second part
of this is to say, what does this indicate about the entity which is the intelligent entity, if we accept that this is in fact, from an intelligence, in addition to the intelligence of this entity, one could say, wisdom. Now, one has to define what wisdom is. And in Islamic parlance, Al hikma wisdom is what thou shalt ie fumer can he say, or putting something in its rightful place, which can also be said to be a pro
All previously.
So if we are able to establish that the entity which is the intelligent entity is intelligent and wise, in other words, that the entity puts things in their right places. The question to then ask would be, is it more appropriate to think that this wise entity created the human being for a purpose or without a purpose?
It is a simple question. Nonetheless, it's one that the Quran itself asks for hassy Batum. And number halacha nakooma burthen? Well, Anna, Elena, lateral Joan, do you think we have created you without purpose? And that you will not return to us? This is a rhetorical question that the Quran
poses to the people. Because if someone says yes,
the creator, or let's say the intelligent design, the intelligent designer of the the universe, the wise one, the one, which does things, for appropriate purposes, has given human being free will,
which the human being can detect.
But that that free will has no purpose.
That doesn't follow from the fact that the entity is wise.
Now, one could say it's not unnecessarily link, I'll say fine. It's not necessarily linked. One doesn't always need to make an argument from necessity. In order for an argument to be made, one can make an argument from probability or inference to the best explanation.
And that is what I would say, so long as you can affirm the wisdom of the intelligent designer,
then it's an easy step
two asking a question as to what is my purpose in life? Do I have a purpose? Or do I not have a purpose?
And if you say, I don't have a purpose, well, isn't it
coincidental?
That everything in the universe seems to have
a significance and could be said, to be for the purpose of
allowing life to exist, for example, and the maintenance and the providence of the human being, but that the human being themselves have no purpose.
So you see, this would seem to be a misstep, if someone said that, and most people acknowledge this reality. That's why in the Quran, it is posed as a rhetorical question. Because it is as if the human being knows this already. And of course, we as Muslims believe that the human being does know this already through something called Alpha Torah, which is the predisposition to believing in God?
So that's how I would answer that question. One of the things you were asking about was a necessary link. And he mentioned, you know, the inference of the best explanation. So maybe I'll add just a little bit to that, just so it's kind of clear what we mean by that. And I'll give you I'll do it by way of an example. Okay. So I have a,
I have a second born. And he is the most colorful amongst my children, if you know what I mean. Gets in all sorts of stuff. Now, I don't know if you guys have ever had. You guys have tackies or hot Cheetos. You know what that is? Okay. I hate those. With a passion, the way that gets on your fingers. It's absolutely infuriating. My second born absolutely loves him.
So I want you to imagine now his name is Herman. And I tell I tell him that Herman. I said, Look, we're having some guests, they're going to be coming over. And I bought this huge pack of Hot Cheetos or talkies or whatever you guys call it here. I'm going to put them in the cupboard. Do not touch them.
So I'm like, you know, he's like, Okay, Baba, no problem. Right now in the back of my head. I'm like, okay, yeah, right. But anyway,
so I leave, I come back, and I see my man sitting on the couch or lying down on the couch, passed out. He's got crumbs all over and the crumbs are going all the way to the cupboard.
Now, there are some competing explanations here. My oldest son could have come, knocked him out, set him on the couch, put the Cheetos all the way to the cupboard.
And, you know, just wanted to set them up. That's one explanation. Second explanation. Is that up there man went, took the Cheetos, ate them, ate them to such an extent that he's passed out on the couch, which excellent
Question Do you think would be more likely?
The second one, right? That is an example of inference to the best explanation. All right, just because you don't have a necessity, but you still understand that you make an inference to the best explanation. So it's not necessary to have a necessary explanation. lowvolume
Alright, let's go for the next question. Maybe we'll get a female question. So can try and restore some balance?
as well.
If there wasn't any female that will go okay. Yes.
Didn't give her the Yeah.
I've been watching your debates for like four years. So I'm a really big fan. But
what I've seen throughout, you know what watching what you do,
I believe that you're a really charismatic and confident person. Yeah, keep talking. Keep talking. You speak the truth, my friend, you know.
There are not many people like you in that way.
Please, continue.
Please continue stroking his ego, we this is what we need.
Wow, that took a turn my man, that's a good turn.
The only one that saw the front console direct and having to lead a bunch of people because Java is a big responsibility. And it is really difficult. Getting people to make or break situation. I mean, you're either building someone's faith, or you're making them lose. So
is it?
Do you know? It's a good question. I mean, it sounds like something my psychologists would ask me, the counselor.
Ready to go? I'm ready. No, honestly, it's a good question. And, look, there was one point in my life where I used to work as a secondary school teacher, you know, some time ago, right. And that's when I felt the most lonely of all because in that time, you know, I wasn't necessarily making the money off YouTube, which now I'm making a little bit of money off YouTube. Right. So money helps ease the loneliness a little bit, you know, but before that, before that, I was,
I feel like working in the secondary school. And it was kind of a hostile environment. You know, I remember because obviously, we have traditional Muslim views. I remember having like a three or four hour after school discussion with the deputy head teacher and other people. And they were talking to me about my views on homosexuality, which I'm sure we're going to be covering today here in lumps, okay, because we need to talk about that. But you said this, and you said that, and you said this, and you said that. And you said this, and you said that. And there was one point in that meeting?
Where I think even they felt a bit sorry for me. You know, they did I think the woman was like, you know, I think we've asked them enough questions. And they had all the timestamps ready and stuff like that. And I was like, Yeah, this is this is the belief of the Muslims and this, and then one of them turns around and says, you know, she's saying that his religious belief, just leave it as that. But the point is, it's really it can be lonely. Actually, if we're being honest, in situations like that now, though, because we work as a group,
you know, it's less problematic. You know, hamdullah, we've got the group of what Sapiens, we've got the people we've got backing we've got, it was, it wasn't like that. In the beginning, though. In the very beginning, it was like that. And there are many other stories, but that's just one of them. But now, because I feel like there's a whole fraternity of Muslim people across the globe, who have the same kind of views. It's less of a lonely experience, but it can be a strenuous one. So that's how I would answer the question. Do you want to join or Are you lonely if I had no, happily married with five kids?
Plenty of people around me being lonely and my mind was going somewhere else, man, I don't know.
Anyways, all right. Next question.
Let's this guy he is really excited about it. Look at this one.
Yes, but this is wait for him to give you the microphone.
Wait for him to give the microphone. Right. What microphone?
Salama? The question is about you said there are some things that are known to the human beings prior to that experience or my friends, as you said. So how can you reconcile it to the Quranic verse below? Well, for me, it was only my article. I'm gonna show you
So they do nothing in this world. So when we say that these are priori, intuitive concepts are known prior experience of external world. Sure. So later on, I'm gonna say means they didn't know anything, right? Whereas the fitrah is usually described by these theoreticians and others as more of a NASA, then I didn't. And the NASA means an instinct. So for example, I mean, even Taymiyah gives us examples of quite a good example. And I'll just repeat it. He says that the knowledge of fitrah is similar to the knowledge of the baby to the breast of the mother. It's not like yes, theoretical knowledge of how to do that,
as I just demonstrated,
but he just does it, he goes for it right? Now, what I'm saying is, that's an instinct more than it is a knowledge, like a theoretical knowledge. And likewise, the human being has an instinct to believing in God. So it's not like a theoretical knowledge or cognition, or some kind of thing that will be in, you know, in the brain, on the synapses of the human being or something like that. It's more of something that you just feel due, so that it can be reconciled. A few depends on your definition of FITARA sounds, how would you know, I mean, so one thing I'll say, I'll do a shameless pitch here. Inshallah we have a course coming out from Sapiens, on the fifth row, this is actually
one that I've done. hamdulillah Yeah. So I mean, that's, that's on point. It's basically like an a type of intuition, right, and the depth the way we define it in English, because Petra enough of itself as even as an Arabic word is difficult to define belagavi command. So what the way the working definition we give in English is we call it the original normative disposition. Okay? Now, I don't want to get into the whole class now. But one part I'll focus on that is normative. And this is where you get into the difference between, okay, it's something that you learn elements on and so forth. But it's something that is normative or to translate that something that is normal. So if you
remember the Hadith in Sahih, Muslim, where the prophet says Salah mentions that mommy Mo, Luthien, Illa Yulu, Allah Phaedra, there is no one that is born except upon the Federa. Then his parents make him a Jew, a Christian, or imagine the end of that hadith. It talks about the process of themselves, just as you see an animal being born, do you detect any defect? Why did the process and I mentioned that? Because by way of you considering what is normal versus abnormal, if the animal had a defect, you naturally see it, right? And you can give many examples of this. If you walk outside, and you see people walking upside down, you don't just walk by and say, Oh, that's okay. You obviously say,
wait a minute, something is wrong. And this is why, and this is why we actually stress understanding the word normative. Because when this is used, and its usage has basically shot up recently, you get a lot of terms which have a negative connotation, right, which we'll probably get into, like, if someone were to ask you, are you heteronormative? Well, that means Do you believe heterosexual relationships are normal? It's a pejorative term in the West, but for us, we were we say it was probably yes, we're heteronormative. Right. Are you sis normative? Do you believe in two genders? As opposed to you know, 50 billion? Well, yes, we say probably, but understanding that we consider that
normal. Now getting into an argument about okay, prove to me rationally there are two genders and this and that, you'll see all the people in the US man, they're trying to go around around with this, something that just clear as day. Male, female, right. So that's all just add. And then, like I said, we have a whole course coming out on that and sha Allah, Allah Hua.
Go back to the sisters. Yeah, I think that's a good balance. Yes, sister.
We just wait for the mic, please.
Well, we need to get it for the mic. That's right.
Mo Sama,
I wanted to ask that both of you have been working with law for such a long time, and have been giving people
writing books and stuff along the lines. What is one thing that you think drives people away from religion in this generation?
One thing that drives people away from the fact that there's a higher empathy, and someone is,
like, so strong, and
so, you know, we have
we have this service called Lighthouse mentoring, right? I know, doing a lot of shameless plugs, but you know, that's what they pay me for. Anyways, it's a service called Lighthouse mentoring. Okay. Now in the service, you can book a free one hour session with one of our mentors, one of the Sapiens mentors. One of the great things about that, is that the question you're asking what drives people away? We now have data, almost three years of data, because we've had all of these conversations with people and we've actually composed a list. What are the main things that drive people away? Now you might think that it would be some sort
have, like intellectual doubt. And the reality is, it's, I'd say maybe 90% of the time and the other mentors could, you know, you know, affirm this, it's usually not an intellectual doubt, it's something that seems like an intellectual doubt. But there's something in the backdrop that has led to that person to justify their doubt. Right? So if someone says, I don't understand how, you know, let's say the age of Aisha, okay, when you start to dig, and this is what is beneficial about these sessions, because it's just one hour, you and another person, no cameras, you're not, you don't have an audience. And I was trying to, there's no egos involved, they can open up. And so, you know, this
person might say, you know, what, I don't really understand the age of it. And you find out that you know, what, it was complete something completely different. As a young person, they were molested, right, but because of that, they had to justify, like, you know, they had an affiliation of Islam, to with this person that have molested them, he had a long beard, whatever it might be. So my point is my what my point is, I wouldn't be able to pin it down on one particular thing. But I can tell you, it's overly emphasized that it was going to be intellectual. I would say not again, in our experience three years of data, most people think that it has something to do with some sort of
argument that the person has faced. And usually it's not, you know, when you look at the categories of, you know, you have Shabbat and Shabbat, most of the times it's some sort of shower, right? Before it gets to be a Shabbat. Right? So that's what I would say. And so it depends person to person. We've had people that came on and thought they were homosexual. And it just turns out that it was something completely different. And they actually came out of their belief in their in identifying with their SSA, their same sex attraction to actually come to Islam right properly. So that's what I can say about that. Just data driven. Wonder if you want to add to that. No, I think
he's, I think he's covered it very well, to be honest.
All right, I'll let you take the next pick man.
which one to pick from? I did the last one. This guy? Sure. All right.
Well, I like
the national media,
I think
I going against Islam. So the first question is,
what the Muslims can
improve their social status? Is that the work you agree that raising their voice against?
What can be the second way that normal is destroyed? And my second question, is that
I normally know that rubbish.
ask the first question. I mean, things that you could do to get better at representing Islam is, I would say, get good at speaking. And that can only be done through practicing. Okay. So practice, speak to your friends, speak to your family, speak to different people. Not everyone has to be a public speaker, though you can help Islam through other means some people are going to be some great technicians, some people are going to be great pilots, some people are going to be great, whatever it may be. So you have to try and find what you're good at.
Every young person should be trying to find what they're good at. So this is what I would recommend, spend time trying to find where your potential lies. As for the second question, I mean, the word hijab in Arabic, it means like, barrier. Okay.
So in Egypt, I'm originally Egyptian. So it's a common surname, you know, it's not just what the girls were, but it's, it's a name, it's, it's an Egyptian, Egyptian name.
We're gonna say, you say yes. Can I add something? So what I would say, just in addition to that, one of the things is you should understand your context as well. Okay. So if you're living here in Pakistan, you have certain problems, certain issues that are going to be specifically context related, in other words, specific to Pakistan itself. Right. So and one of the things that, you know, being here for the few days that I have been here,
I've noticed that peep generally by and large, and I don't want to generalize the whole nation, obviously. But you find that there is a disconnect between, let's say, how people define corruption versus how people define piety. Right?
So if that's something you recognize you make you can make that your mission, say, Look, you know what, if corruption is an issue here, then maybe that's something I need to work on. So you study for that you
work for that. And the third and one additional point to that. Don't forget about yourself. Because you can be doing all this work studying for, you know, finding the arguments, finding the resources. If you're not working on yourself, that's going to be very problematic. You look at the Dawa at the during the second phase. I mean, there's 100 I mean, throughout the night, right, there's a reason there's a hikma for that, because there's an understanding that you have to prepare yourself spiritually, as well as doing the work. So understand that this is a two prong approach, if you want to look at it this way, right? Understanding your context, understanding where you need to focus has
you were saying understanding your own talent, because Allah has blessed you specifically with something that inshallah you will find beloved, and inshallah be easy for you. So your context, your talent, and your own spirituality? How can those are questions you can ask yourself, how much Quran do I read in a day? How much the 100 Do I pray? How much do I pray for the Ummah and so on and so forth. And that part of that is introspection, to be really honest. And that you'll find that that will open doors for you open doors for your dollar Sofala
Aloha.
So we need one more from sisters. I think we're trying to go back
is it sister?
Salam
this score likes
and there's just one fit that a few like really big things. And, but if you like, if I choose if you're choosing to
give me give me an example of what you're talking about
sheltered eyebrows like, okay,
says that it's okay to open your eyebrows. Okay, fine. And so it feels like I'm choosing good dimia By choosing that particular face, and the aim is like, for those inshallah. So when I was wondering
about choosing the insert, or what is the meaning of that.
So, this has been spoken about by scholars of all sorts
of scholars of these principles of jurisprudence. And I'm going to tell you, whatever your claim said about this matter. Okay, is one of the great scholars of Islam, and he deals with this matter directly. So I'll just tell you what he said. He said, say, for example, you go to four different people to ask them about a mess. LFL care about some issue to do with? Yes, you go to person 123 And four, yeah. Now, if in your heart and your mind, you listen to 123, and four, but number one makes the most sense to you, and you go for number two, this is problematic.
If, however,
number one and number two is like even you don't know which one is the one.
Like for him, so let's just say one, two, and three. So one and two, say the same thing. And three says something else, you go with the majority. So he says, If one and two say position A and three and four, say position B,
then in this situation you go with whatever is easier for you in your life.
And this is because they base that on the fact that the professor solemn, as mentioned about
mahaya Robina and brainy Illa, Katara eSATA, Houma Hadith via that he was not told to do two things, except that he chose the easier one. But you don't start off by choosing the easier one.
You see, you try and do find, okay, but if you don't know for sure, you could end up going for the easier one. It's a legitimate Islamic approach. But you don't start with that. You start off with first trying to figure out if you can't figure it out. Number two,
if you know, for example, that the first scholar is much more knowledgeable than the second scholar,
then you go with the more knowledgeable one, but if there's nothing else, and there's two equal opinions in that situation, you can go with what's easier, he actually
compares the situation to a medical case. He says, For example, if you were sick,
and you went to doctor one and Doctor two and Doctor three, and they gave you three different opinions, what would you do?
He said, treat the matter in exactly the same way as you would treat a medical case because you would be sincere with yourself if you would treat a medical case. So if you're going to be sincere yourself with the medical case, you're going to be you should be as sincere with yourself with the religious situation.
Do you understand what I'm saying? So you could go for the easier option.
Yeah, like, but you would only do that after you've really decided, Okay. According to your claim the eyebrows thing would be out of the question because the majority would say is haram.
Some other scholars would say, actually, you know, they'd have more lenient situation, I'm not gonna lie to you. Some other scholars are more lenient about that bat.
But I'm not gonna tell you to do your eyebrows.
Like a student scholar, like,
obviously, like his, like, his perfect, that's what we think of him. So like, if you listen to him, like, obviously,
it's not like
oh,
yeah, sure. Inshallah we'll go into paradise. Sure. it logically it doesn't feel right. So essentially, you know, but at the same time,
like,
obviously, like he would just say anything.
No, the humbly method doesn't say you can pluck your eyebrows by the way. It's the surefire method that some of the some of the scholars have the surefire method say this, not the, not the humbly on the humbly, quite strict about it. In fact, somebody say you should cover your face, as alleged, as as an obligate obligation.
I mean,
I would say to you, that there is an opinion under Islam that allows this
you have to follow your conscious, at the end of the day, if you've gone through the process, and you still feel like, okay, you know, what, I don't know, whatever, then you could choose what's easier. But for me, there's two or three steps before that.
If a woman did that, if a woman did that, like if a woman did that, and she really believed that that opinion was the kid was the true one, I wouldn't have any problem with it.
Me personally, but ask me because who am I like, you know, but I'm saying that
it's up to you, at the end of the day, what you want to choose, and what you think is the right approach. But if no claim would say, choose it in the way that you would choose a medical issue?
Because that's when you would be
sincere with yourself on money.
Okay, you want to add to that? Okay.
Let's go for the man at the far back there with a turban on his head.
You
think you need to
do this?
Does he do?
Does he need
to report for the mic?
Camera
or whatnot, you
can get anything out of you know, independent
policy papers. It's
so many ideologies.
Absolutely, yeah, there is there is a distinction to be made. Because Allah says in the Quran, well, that to get you to Al Kitab 11 letter here as an ill as in Avila momentum, that do not
debate the People of the Book, except with beautiful preaching in a good way, except for the ones who have oppressed among them. So there's always an exception to the rule. The general rule is, you're nice with people. You're you're good with people, but then if there's an exception is when they show you disrespect. Now, let me give you an example and try and relate this to Pakistani society somehow, right. So for example, I have noticed that in Pakistan society, in the upper echelons of the society you have, you know, when I say upper echelons, I'm talking about monetarily, like as a, you know, upper classes financially, right.
There's an over representation of secular secularists, comparative to the rest of the population.
And I've noticed some nastiness. And some arrogance, even from some of those secularists especially in their dealing with the traditionalists community, from within their own socio economic group. I'm not sure if this is something you have noticed or not from, if I'm something if I'm off the market.
Now, in a situation like that, I think it would be detrimental to be overly nice to such people.
Because if they came, like, you know, many people are asking questions now shahada one, that's one thing. But if someone comes and tries to question that the wabbit or what you call the
unambiguous situations in Islam, and rulings using an outside ideology, whether it's classical liberalism or feminism,
whatever it may be, that has a knowledge production in the West.
And they use that knowledge production to try and hammer you over the head with it.
then effectively what they've done is they've voluntarily colonized themselves.
But then they are trying to twist your arm to do the same thing. They are suffering from what is referred to as the Gora complex.
You see,
this is the case, because I can guarantee you
that if you were to ask some of these people at the highest level of Pakistani society, who identify as classical liberals or as feminists or as secularists, or whatever it may be,
to give evidence, rational and philosophical evidence for their worldview,
they would not be able to do so
if I said, What are the philosophical evidences for the second wave feministic
proposition that despite anatomical and biological and psychological differences between men and women,
that despite those differences, that there must be equality in all cases? What's the evidence for that? Just like the brother was asking me, what's the evidence for a personal God? There wasn't evidence for this. And we said the design argument or whatever is, what is your equivalent of the design argument for feminism?
So they don't have any evidence, I'm sorry to say there is no evidence because the evidence has been thoroughly repudiated,
thoroughly repudiated.
And if you really ask someone for the evidence of classical liberalism, or let's say social liberalism,
John Stuart Mill himself could not produce an evidence that his contemporaries and his colleagues were satisfied with, and he's the father of social liberalism in the West. Now, if he couldn't do it, and he's one of the most brilliant minds of the West, in the Enlightenment period at the peak of the Enlightenment period, I doubt a Pakistani blind follower.
Who attends Lums?
Because, because he has the money to go here, and then he's smoking a little marijuana and going to a party on the Saturday night.
And he attends the LGBTQ community. Yes.
Because his masters, the white man have told him to do so. I doubt that that guy can produce something even equivalent to what John Stuart Mill could provide. He would be liberating himself if he had just said,
I am just following the white man. They have clean streets and tall buildings. They have a higher GDP, Surely they must be right. I don't have any evidence for I believe. Yeah, I am following them. Because they have cleaner streets and taller buildings. Just be honest and say that's the odd because of Hollywood, I have been impacted by Netflix and Hollywood.
I'm impressed by the white man.
I voluntarily put myself under colonial ideological subjugation of the white man and the white woman because let's be honest, feminism wasn't started in Lahore.
Don't Don't pretend that second wave feminism came from Lahore Karachi. It's not a female emancipation emancipation project that has its roots in the east, it is a western knowledge production.
And now if you look at for example, Western feminists
compare the amount of time and energy that they have put into abortion issues and equal pay issues with the amount of energy that they have put into the more fundamental human rights of the right of life for women in Palestine and Kashmir or we go women or elsewhere. This shows you without a shadow of a doubt that they don't really care about you as much as you care about them.
How and to Allah II, to buena whom, well are you head bone?
Oh, you the Quran stasis. You love them, but they don't love you.
Why do you voluntarily want to be a Padgett?
And
know why?
The white man is not impressed. He's not impressed, nor does he notice he care about you if he saw you, the same Pakistani feminists and LGBT
advocates that attend lumps. If he saw you on the floor dead, he would have as much care and respect for that image. As we have seen. He has had for the images of the Palestinian woman
So if this is the reality, there is no need, there is no need.
There is no need to subjugate yourself in this manner
without evidence, because that which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
And that's what this institution and the people of Pakistan need to do next is the expunging system,
the process of expunging yourself of the ideologies of the West, which are being supplanted in you, in order to control you, by people who do not care about you. That's the reality of the situation.
Now, I'm just going to say that
if you're looking for a way to do that practical way of doing that, we have a ton of free courses on the Sapiens Institute website.
So they're all free. And we have many courses. One is called no doubt, you know how to deal with your and other people's doubts, divine reality, all of these things will be spoken about, we have a course that came out on secularism. So the details in how to articulate it, like Muhammad hijab just articulated it. And the ability to tell, let's say the difference between someone who's going to come and is going to be your enemy, and you need to treat them so. And someone that may be coming with a real problem, because you need the skill to be able to decide between the two. That's very important. It's not it's not a one size fits, all right? You're gonna have people you've got to deal
with them directly to the point, have them understand, as Muhammad mentioned, and there are other people that may be coming with very serious issues. I can tell you now, we have people Muslims who are struggling with SSA, okay, what I mean, same sex attraction. These people were sincerely looking for Allah subhanho wa taala, they were looking to come back to Islam. And you know, one of the things that they told me, or one of the things that they mentioned, they said, it is the most loneliest place to be, when you're looking for Allah, the community. One community is LGBTQ community, which has rejected you, because you don't fall into their paradigm and don't accept their
conditions. And the Muslim community who doesn't accept you because you're having this struggle, it is the loneliest place to be. So you've got to be able to distinguish between that person who sincerely wants to come back to Allah and many have come back to Allah. Do not let this Oh, this guy, you know, he's, he's, he's he says he's gay. You know, this person said they're transgender, they, we had a person halfway, halfway through transitioning with hormones, with surgery, accepted Islam, because they're in a state of depression, gender, you know, gender dysphoria is very difficult to deal with. And they found Islam right in the middle. So it was difficult. But
Alhamdulillah they said, it was like, I breathe a fresh of fresh breath of existential reality. Right? Just being able to distinguish that so how do you do that? Sapiens Institute dot orgy? Take our courses inshallah. Somebody came to me one time before we get the next question. And I'm no psychologist. And they said to me, and he had the big beard, and it took me to the side. And it was in a place called Speaker's Corner in Britain, in London, and he said, I want to speak to you privately. So I said, No problem. Sometimes I'm tired. Sometimes I'm not tired. So I was had enough energy to go to the side with the muscles. The problem. He said, Look, he looked over his shoulder.
He didn't want to, you know, anyone to hear what he was about silica. He said, Because I'm not attracted to women. And he had a big beard and everything.
So I thought, okay, so
what yeah, he goes, What should I do? I don't want to get married. I don't want to do any of this stuff.
So I didn't know what to say to him. So I started thinking on the spot, because I never really counseled anybody in this manner before, right.
I said to my friend,
I said to him, you don't like women at all?
He said, He's another adult. Like, I don't like women. I said, all right.
I said, Do you like coffee?
He said, Yes. I like coffee. I drink every day.
Because I can't live without him. I said, How did you feel the first time you had coffee? Because I didn't like it was very bitter.
And then it became an acquired taste. I said same thing with women.
He didn't believe me yet.
I said, you know, you just need to get used to the thing. I said to him, let me explain to you further.
And he said are you
is now getting interested in seeing Okay, well, I said, let me explain to you further
as to more about androgynous woman, like a woman that's like a bit like a man,
like a bodybuilder or something like that, you know?
I said, Would you feel
more or less attracted to her than a normal feminine say, quote unquote, woman?
And he said, No, I'd feel more. Yeah, he goes, I will feel more attracted. You said this. I said, also, it's a matter of extents. So there's a sliding scale of the situation, which means you can start liking this androgynous and then you can move on to this. So I said, If you marry an androgynous woman that looks like a man.
What do you think about that? And he started thinking about the matter.
So I said to him, Listen,
I said to him, if it's possible, that's the first thing you need to do is realize it's possible
that you can change your tastes. And there is good evidence to show that you can change your tastes. And that includes food tastes, and your sexual tastes.
Now, many of the homosexual community, quote unquote, will say, this is a very disrespectful thing. You're saying right now.
I say, why is it disrespectful? Let's say it was because you're saying that they can become they can come out of the closet and come into the closet and keep what you're talking about? How can you say this? I said, do you accept? This is my conversations with homosexual? Do you accept that somebody can become from heterosexual homosexual? Do you accept that they can come out of the closet? And that they can slowly change into being homosexual? They said, Yes, of course. And we accept such people as so why can't you accept the opposite?
know if that's offensive, this should be offensive.
So the point I'm making is sexuality can be quite fluid.
And if I had made a good point, which is that, why are we identifying with your sexual
proclivity in one time in place, it's a very weird thing.
You might realize in your own life, that your preferences have changed.
For example, I'm not gonna say for example, this, but some people first, they like this ethnicity, of man or woman, let's say, and then it changes. And then it changes again, or they like this age, and then it changes, it changes again,
some people's more radical, they're like the man and the woman or woman life, man, what I'm saying is, if it's that fluid, if you can change if it's possible to change it, and you are suffering from these issues,
then all it will take his willpower
and time. And so if you realize the possibility of change from a pastoral perspective, then you can affect Inshallah, the change. So yes, there is a way of stopping or stop being homosexual or having this there's a way of doing it, but it will take time. It's like coffee.
That's good. I just have fizzes. So, the sad part classical recycling.
Keep in mind that this whole concept of conflating desires, action and identity is not something that is phantosaur. At as they existed forever. It started Yeah, surprise, surprise, like, are eight and importing, surprise, surprise, it's a European, right for summarization
under German. So one of the things that we have to do this is really take home is that when you are, let's say counseling, and within that situation, try to help space, this concept of identifying wildland hazards
and trying to protect them to identify with the one be creatively, who gave me every single lesson I asked. So so then I tried to count with every single blessing for like that you want RB very thing, it's a law. That's the blessings of Allah, you wouldn't be able to count them to the one that I would have returned back to you. Is it not a more sense to identify yourself with the one that leads you over the one over this desire that election is the you could change today, tomorrow something else? Having them see how superficial it is to identify the desire just based upon who you want to have sex with? And seeing how amazing it is how I read it is how rich with context and meaning peace
and meaningfulness in life it is by the fire over there the under the air
So shifting the topic
what is your opinion on the Halacha s according to the institution as Bible as an ideal volatility signal in today's in our political democracy it adj kingdoms itself
well I mean something was sort of mentioned itself and a Happy Friday and it's a very famous that he says that in the beginning there'll be enough wash there there'll be unhealthy climate and then after that we'll be marking down to that even for target produce
and then there'll be
a how the sphere around the notes that face right
how will this housing good point? I don't know.
I don't know how soon Oh, the alien knows
there's a thing so if you're interested in science and stuff like that my wife
it was just the other part is
simple say say and then at least yet tax the organization say and this is at this image signing and yeah, thanks a few different value it's very powerful evidence
the truth of the matter is when the Muslim finally comes together, which is a requirement for for peace on Saudi lays across the world, and buildings is the power from time to time that what shape would that take? Well, it is a kind of a union using countries and obviously else I mean, that's happened before for example, does Rusev countries have
a united in the past research and so
on show how modern healthy would look like
so in future we look
to start off with what how Mudjimba the founder of his season
which is imagined as
a it's a has added to the fuzziness if we do that.
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might sound
okay, can you hear me?
Okay, first of all you sign Hey, you for what you're doing.
I've been watching your ball for quite a while. And I was always super young. Growing up, as you mentioned about some of it you personally experience for going on of that? And is yes. How do you overcome that? And what kind of
what kinds of
technicians think
I can't be my head so
long. I couldn't believe it.
And
after that, I shot all my eyes. Yes.
Yes. And I was I was wondering if I can to do.
So. I will say something
really low in London, because London has a big Muslim population as well.
So when it came to some phobia growing up when I was eight
that's when it's like,
how old were you? I was I think I started doing a full revival.
So
much older than that. On so yes, yes. Yeah. Like OBC
approaches, as a group of people beat me up and stuff like that. Oh, yes.
Is it was
on the news media, you pay
our fair share of counters some voga Working at a school that ice
If you think about a fire, there's one you know.
And that was I will actually do this stuff to my activism and to the fact that I was and so that came they are when I shook my cup
you know, I want to do the helpless Wilson's advice to them surprising, like, once you represent something like that footsie 100 is a subject of attack
so it's you got to deal with that, you know, it's dealing with that it's so easy to begin when you have a good
support system, I think just to be honest.
Yes, because generally,
workplaces and workers he wrote his own very good book, by the way, you said something about this if you have a thought. It's like, a lot of positive reinforcers for child a child grows up to be very old.
Yeah, so I grew up my mom my dad doesn't really
say no to some things and he was blown out. But then because she gave me such a good support system, I feel like that
she was probably done well as well as the credit for
so it's like all these early years early on.
Okay, with you that always wonder
what
is in your program, which
is actually water or really
end
is illegal, most like zinc have
currently incorporate that into a project program. So with lighthouse and naturally
element to that, we make it very clear that psychologists are treated treatise is our area of focus specifically with X finds the issue. So we look at the news that we're dealing with, we're talking about x Muslims, we will see something else as non justice. And the fourth category farm was Sunday, I want to know how to deal with these three factors. So our focus is pretty specific. That being said, you realize that we aren't D equal that our background is you know, psychology psychiatry, was one of the things that we're very careful about is that at least in the United States, or the UK
like I said, it's an all of the things that raised her and it's not a recent film, I just do like diva all the dyes on sexuality when we look at the aka and I was I was at all if someone needs to be they need to have a very firm grounding on Sami
theological spiritual principles and that engaged with Western tradition in such a way that bringing balance as the person who came on board right which is a bit difficult because certain things that counselors attended in the afternoon like your personality, lose your license you could lose your license for even telling some of them but my religion says that is Tom to you know mean age and all the sexual acts so that's why we have an abundance of it and shall we the level of you for the person as ours
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also
be of this something
which seeks to answer
smile, I may have to choose
we don't have a
lot
less
patience
has not even that.
There's a piece where you see you have like three things one is stuck with it and two is
working. And third, is this
up your mind
if you want to be in the dry media,
so
let's say
we go out
and even let's say the rooms in May and
I will sell some video reports that say Canada
booktype limosine. I will set
the password here.
Python then why did we do this?
So we joined the troops, the monthlies and our
OB the virus and OB Summit. So
if everybody else and considering the establishment and weighing us down in Pakistan,
we cannot remain, right. This he's so what would your advice be? So can you
say oh, I've never shown any interest in resolving the Palestine issue
next door to Iraq and so, going to to Israel finals since, so, I definitely would not recommend
doing
and why do
you have the Taliban is governance and it could make a decision while I think is our handle severe on power in any country in the world today. So, these truths do not lead to resistance, I mean, you can say harass is if almost as is
off, rather than answer let's say for example, you wanted to join us, let me tell you something,
they have a very strict selection criteria and because they have limited workers is best well trained soldiers are a failure themselves they give them
so these options are not on the table fortunately, sir on IQ and on to the AMI is my hunger is
on ominous Okay, I think he wanted to solve a call is so lovely is also and he has actually seen
loads of Afrobeat.
Okay. But what he says is that it only 40 us Soviets, the danger was on either angle, the
main idea of the pilot was doing otherwise them and mostly the whole mass. And I would say that, my main question is, like you said,
we cannot join us. And then you have a very strict criteria of who they are going to take you then how would you go?
Yeah, I'm not as I wish I should use, for example,
here, what can we do? Okay, honestly, what can you do? You can change the public opinion, is that I think that's if, if, if we this is going to be done, as you will realize.
So we decided that we have to make a decision with sick, most powerful army in the world.
This is fighting.
Israel is allied with the United States of America. That's the Togolese. And so Pakistan, in order to make that decision, it would have to be probably either something like Russia or China.
So it's not as easy as on this is the best thing you can do. us talking about? regions. For example, recently, we had like Andres aliens, and we raised over 1,000,007
people.
Now we know that's 15,000 pounds is all it takes a lot happens to go inside.
We have these videos, of course, some of them have my social media, of the animals zooming in and feeding and saving the lives of the children in
their lives. Because the answers are mine. Have
you ever seen the lights like if anyone was to ask is What if you have the choice
to kill an Israeli soldier? Which I think everyone likes to do. Right?
He's right, yeah, it should happen.
Or option number two, is to save a child's life as in, it was a this is your issue. We have to save.
This option is available to you.
is obviously to be
able to if that was if this one was available,
but if only one of them is available, which is saving this off, you can save a life because it's not just for children. Is is a luxury it is ZZ to the thing. So when I saw those hammers going inside, and then the videos the children getting the food
Food and drinks, I know each other. And you can see it was affecting their health. And
then I realized this Oh, we actually do
boycotting is
like if we're being honest about situation is is
very far with asked
the same question about fighting
egos to get some levels or this is one but we won't have anybody. Okay, well if you could if you believe that strictly artists shouldn't be boycotting the mast, it should have been raising money charts, how much money have you raised? How much should you rent your friends?
How many hosts you should
control? How much of that have we actually done? Because the thing which you know, and I know, you're harassed,
then it said service
or issue, there's also CG cash,
raising awareness of the issue, and so on, so forth. So my point is this reproductive
things which are not, which are the decisions of politicians,
then it's so easy, and we go into the realms of imagination.
And your massive yellow
one way to kind of pick up voters? Well, you know, it's really difficult to be in a situation where you feel like, you've lost, right? This is not an easy situation. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
But then, you know, Allah tells us slightly wrong, that, you know, the LSAT score,
or the muscle fall, right, so you, you know, you're feeling bad that they injured you, but they were also injured. Right? And Allah impose that and says, We'll take the lie down without you having a nice these days are alternating, right? Sometimes you mean something to do? Well, yeah. And I'm alone living in Ireland. So that alone may owe the believers. So really, and this is one thing that I would say, like to test yourself as a whole introspection
is like, Marlon was mentioning, what have you done up to this point? I mean, I'm telling you now, you would think sharing a social media post is something very minor, especially with the the grand jury going to war fighting. You know, it's just it's, it sounds like something very wider. But the type of effect it's having. I can tell you now coming from the United States, we're changing people's minds. People are becoming Muslim, because of this postman. Every single like we afford, as a starting in our budget, we want to get, you know, showers every Friday. Now we're getting want to why you see the people have you seen people sharing the posts, people like you. And they see where
people get their resilience.
And we want to know where you want that for ourselves. Because as long as the West looks and United States thoughts, internally, there are even some major cultural wars, this LGBTQ issue all of a sudden initiatives tearing them apart, and they're looking for some sort of assaults. And when you have that sort of power, you have more power in your hands that you believe they
just touched upon sharing those videos, because that is influencing people on the other side of the world, that you might not even know that you show up on the Day of Judgment, not only a contributing to, you know, being someone helping the peak of us up as you're bringing people to this office. I saw it the other day, as a soldier. And so the game was
crazy, right? Really Israeli soldier reminding us all the other things having trouble getting water.
Right, it's just mind without trouble gaming culture, is this clock, you can bind us. And the way it works is that, you know, when you want to hit the snooze button, it'll automatically donate a certain to serve us. So what he did was he said the cost of going $1,000 To the IDF every time
so even ever disorder
is caught is in add more power than you think. The grand jury like it seems very attractive. Like you are making a different span. Right? So little the actions that you're doing, as we're on that cyber world we're seeing results that you couldn't ever imagine. People are out there for
All testing and they're changing people's minds. Like, you know, power poles
the conservative Republicans that is obviously are we sending money abroad this is pointless. You're changing people's minds and Allah knows less Where did that come from? Whether it comes from armies or go in a fight or it comes from equally ISIS coming back at home? How amazing that you've increased your brothers sisters the place you'd never imagine. Remember when or when you know had some sort of sympathy for some for those of you who are leaving and one of the one of the Satya
you know, he's he seems like she's she has she said she thought that okay, there was something in him this is what he was torturing the Muslims. And you know, her husband said where he said Oh, you think was really awesome. Let me tell you something. I don't you will be
right.
So you have to really know how to externalize this think outside the boss and don't feel disempowered we're very empowered because you have something that they don't have and you have not left him alone as long as we were out if anyone in the West has
sisters
with
just trying to find an easy way classes is
very different from the topic that we're on. If
we use as as our word approach our state of mind we use a test or a person I was them who inflated
feelings towards earliest caregivers for example I
was at the same time I
used to work a job giving care law reduction and at the same time
also giving them a voice version or baguettes
and
the dad is very
mindful all the way up towards caregiver the parents loyalty but also wanting to go away from them but at the same time knowing that they're very good but then there's also the maybe not a good person or feeling or maybe an unbreakable version feeling the same way so
my interest
is in my car can everyone hear us
Can you guys hear Mike Sombra
just for the where's the actual mic
sure
you have another one
okay
guys,
what we want to do is we want to make this more of an interactive session because we've got lots of lectures online people can hear what we have to say. So we want to open the floor immediately to questions and answers. So who will have the first question?
Yes sir.
Once you have to speak up a little bit
you have
dependency and reading
maybe you should have other other side I think
existence
is very beneficial, positively perspective.
But I think when we are combining both of these different things from a piano that perspective, I think, for me personally, the name isn't generated just because of one assumption that I think we don't address. Normally. And that is the necessity, I would say, before we move forward of the establishment of the possibility of a personal geek, that there is we have this mystery upon who everything depends on no one is singular, and he has knowledge, he has a will. And you know, he has power and all of these attributes. But how can we establish the possibility for rational argument whether that take in that entity, that this being actually wants to reveal itself to expiation? And
just because I think that is where I think there's a designated, because when we're talking about the officers,
everything that we need for the rest of the fact that this is a game wants to reveal itself to creation, and has a personal relationship with the creation. So I really want you to talk about it. And, sure. So what he's talking about is the difference between if you like, deism and theism, and I like what buttons are worthy, I'm not sure if your is a friend of mine is friend of yours. He's he's actually written something pretty good about this. And I'm going to repeat his argument as I know it, or I've understood it, because I think it's a very good link for what you're trying to establish. First of all, you look at the design argument for God's existence. So there are multiple
design arguments for God's existence. But let me just give you an easy one, okay. You look at the universe, and the universe is irregular, it is stable, and it is uniform, to the extent to which life can exist inside of it. These are uncontroversial statements, if I were to say the universe exists, number one, number two, the universe exhibits regularity, stability, and uniformity, to the extent to which allows life to exist within minutes. This is also almost incontrovertible, normally people with this uses.
Now, the question that is phrased is what is the best explanation for the fact that there is regularity and stability and uniformity, the extent to which you can allow life to assist us that the universe is complicated, it's sophisticated, as different moving parts inside of it, and that these bosses are working in unison to produce this result, what is the best explanation is the best explanation, intelligence or lack of intelligence? This one question is enough to get the point across, which is the points of an intelligent designer, as the explanation will lead inference to the best explanation for the state of affairs.
Now, the second part of this is to say, what is this indicates about the entity which is intelligent entity, which says that this isn't that from an intelligence in addition to the intelligence of this entity, one could say, wisdom. Now, one has to define what wisdom is. I mean, it's not a call, it's
what wisdom is what or shading
or putting something in its rightful place, which can also be said to be appropriate.
So if we are able to establish that the entity which is the intelligent entity is intelligent and wise, in other words, that the entity puts things in their right places. The question to them, ask them,
Is it more appropriate
that this wise entity created the human being for a purpose or without a purpose?
It is a simple question. nontheless is one that the Quran itself asks for hassy Batum and number halacha nakooma burthen. Well, Anna, Elena, lateral Joan, do you think we have created you without purpose and that you will not return to us? This is a rhetorical question that the Quran
poses to the people. Because if someone says yes,
the creator or let's say the intelligence
design, the intelligent designer of the universe, the wise one, the one, which does things, for appropriate purposes, has given human being free will,
which the human being can detect.
But that that free will has no purpose.
That doesn't follow from the fact that the entity is wise.
Now, one could say it's not a necessary link, I'd say fine, it's not necessary link. One doesn't always need to make an argument from necessity. In order for an argument to be made, one can make an argument from probability or inference to the best explanation.
And that is what I would say, so long as you can affirm the wisdom of the intelligent designer,
then it's an easy step,
to asking a question as to what is my purpose in life? Do I have a purpose? Or do I not have a purpose?
And if you say, I don't have a purpose, well, isn't it
coincidental?
That everything in the universe seems to have
a significance and could be said, to be for the purpose of
allowing life to exist, for example, and the maintenance and the providence of the human being, but that the human being themselves have no purpose.
So you see, this would seem to be a misstep, if someone said that, and most people acknowledge this reality. That's why in the Quran, it is posed as a rhetorical question. Because it is as if the human being knows this already. And of course, we as Muslims believe that the human being does know this already through something called Al FITARA. Which is the predisposition to believing in God?
So that's how I would answer that question.
No, I was just in, I think one of the things you were asking about was a necessary link. And he mentioned, you know, the inference is the best explanation. So maybe I'll add just a little bit to that, just so it's kind of clear what we mean by that. And I'll give you I'll do it by way of an example. Okay. So I have a,
I have a second born. And he is the most colorful amongst my children, if you know what I mean. Gets in all sorts of stuff. Now, I don't know if you guys have ever had you guys have tackies or hot Cheetos. You know what that is? Okay. I hate those. With the passion, the way it gets on your fingers. It's absolutely infuriating. My second born absolutely loves him.
So I want you to imagine now his name is Armand. And I tell I tell him that him and I said, Look, we're having some guests, they're going to be coming over. And I bought this huge pack of Hot Cheetos or talkies or whatever you guys call it here. I'm going to put them in the cupboard. Do not touch them.
So I'm like, you know, he's like, Okay, Baba, no problem. Right now in the back of my head. I'm like, okay, yeah, right. But anyway,
so I leave, I come back, and I see my man sitting on the couch or lying down on the couch passed out. He's got crumbs all over, and the crumbs are going all the way to the cupboard.
Now, there are some competing explanations here. My oldest son could have come, knocked him out, set him on the couch, put the Cheetos all the way to the cupboard.
And, you know, just wanted to set them up. That's one explanation. Second explanation. Is that up there, man went, took the Cheetos, ate them ate them to such an extent that he's passed out on the couch. Which explanation do you think would be more likely?
The second one, right? That is an example of inference to the best explanation. All right, just because you don't have a necessity, but you still understand that you make an inference to the best explanation. So it's not necessary to have a necessary explanation Lavon
Alright, let's go for the next question. Maybe we'll get a female question. So can try and restore some balance
as well.
If there isn't any female then we'll go okay. Yes.
Didn't give her the
sump pump so I've been watching your debates for like four years. So I'm a really big fan. But
what I've seen throughout watching what you do,
I believe that you're a really charismatic and confident person.
Yeah, keep talking, keep talking. You speak the truth, my friend, you know?
Many people like you,
history history is true.
Please continue.
Please continue stroking his ego we this is what we need.
Does it ever get lonely for you? Wow, that took a turn my man that took a turn
the only one that's so different and so direct and having to lead a bunch of people because dava is a big responsibility. And it is really difficult getting people to make or break situation. I mean, you're either building someone's faith, or you're making them lose it all. So
is it?
Do you know? It's a good question. I mean, it sounds like something my psychologist would ask me the counselor.
You're ready to go? I'm ready to go? No, honestly, it's a good question. And, look, there was one point in my life where I used to work as a secondary school teacher, you know, some time ago, right? And that's when I felt the most lonely of all, because in that time, you know, I wasn't necessarily making the money off YouTube, which now I'm making a little bit of money off YouTube. Right. So money helps ease the loneliness a little bit, you know, but before that, before that, I was,
I feel like working in the secondary school. And it was kind of a hostile environment. You know, I remember because obviously, we have traditional Muslim views. I remember having like a three or four hour after school discussion with the deputy head teacher and other people. And they were talking to me about my views on homosexuality, which I'm sure we're going to be covering today here in lumps, okay, because we need to talk about that. But you said this, and you said that, and you said this, and you said that. And you said this, and you said that. And there was one point in that meeting?
Where I think even they felt a bit sorry for me. You know, they did I think the woman was like, you know, I think we've asked them enough questions. And they had all the timestamps ready and stuff like that. And I was like, Yeah, this is this is the belief of the Muslims and this, and then one of them turns around and says, you know, she's saying, that's his religious belief, just leave it as that. But the point is, it's really, it can be lonely. Actually, if we're being honest, in situations like that now, though, because we work as a group,
you know, it's less problematic. You know, hamdullah, we've got the group of what's Sapiens, we've got the people we've got backing we've got, it was It wasn't like that. In the beginning, though. In the very beginning, it was like that. And there are many other stories, but that's just one of them. But now, because I feel like there's a whole fraternity of Muslim people across the globe, who have the same kind of views. It's less of a lonely experience, but it can be a strenuous one. So that's how I would answer the question. Do you want to join or Are you lonely if I had no. Happily married with five kids?
Plenty of people around me. I've got to do with being lonely and or you could still belong in my mind was going somewhere else, man. I don't know.
Anyways, all right. Next question.
This guy, he is really excited about it. Look at this one.
Yes, but just wait for him to give you the microphone. Sure. Wait for him to give the microphone. Right there. Microphone.
Salam. So basically, the question is about you said there are some things that are known to the human beings prior to the experience or by Phaedra, as you said, so how can we reconcile it with a Quranic verse? Allah? Well, for me, it was only
so they do nothing. That's right. So when we say that these are priori, intuitive concepts are known prior to experience.
Sure. So later on, I'm gonna share means didn't know anything, right. Whereas the fitrah is usually described by the theoreticians and others as more of a nessa then I will. And then as our means an instinct. So for example, I mean, even to me, it gives this example is quite a good example. And I'll just repeat it. He says that the knowledge of fitrah is similar to the knowledge of the baby to suck the breast of the mother. It's not like yes, theoretical knowledge of how to do that,
as I just demonstrated,
but he just does it, he goes for it right. Now, what I'm saying is, that's an instinct more than it is a knowledge like a theoretical knowledge and likewise, the human being has an instinct to believing in God. So it's not like a theoretical knowledge or cognition or some kind of thing that will be in, you know, in the brain, on the synapses of the human being or something
Not that it's more of something that you just feel do. So it can be reconciled. A few depends on your definition of fitness. And how would you do another? No, I mean, so one thing I'll say I'll do a shameless pitch here. Inshallah we have a course coming out from Sapiens on the fifth row. This is actually one that I've done. Not really hamdulillah Yeah. So I mean, that's, that's on point. It's basically like an a type of intuition, right? And the depth the way we define it in English, because Phaedra enough of itself as even as an Arabic word is difficult to define belagavi Come on. So what the way the working definition we given English is we call it the original normative disposition.
Okay? Now, I don't want to get into the whole class now. But one part I'll focus on that is normative. And this is where you get into the difference between, okay, it's something that you learn elements on and so forth. But it's something that is normative or to translate that something that is normal. So if you remember the Hadith in Sahih, Muslim, where the prophet says Salah mentions that mommy Mo, Luthien, Illa Yulu, Allah Phaedra, there is no one that is born except upon the Phaedra. Then his parents make him a Jew, a Christian, or imagine the end of that hadith. It talks about the process of themselves, just as you see an animal being born, do you detect any
defect? Why did the process and I mentioned that? Because by way of you considering what is normal versus abnormal, if the animal had a defect, you naturally see it, right? And you can give many examples of this. If you walk outside, and you see people walking upside down, you don't just walk by and say, Oh, that's okay. You obviously say, wait a minute, something is wrong. And this is why, and this is why we actually stress understanding the word normative. Because when this is used, and its usage has basically shot up recently, you get a lot of terms which have a negative connotation, right, which we'll probably get into, like, if someone were to ask you, are you heteronormative?
Well, that means Do you believe heterosexual relationships are normal? It's a pejorative term in the West, but for us, we were we say it was probably yes, we're heteronormative. Right. Are you sis normative? Do you believe in two genders? As opposed to you know, 50 billion? Well, yes, we say proudly, but understanding that we consider that normal. Now getting into an argument about okay, prove to me rationally, there are two genders and this and that, you'll see all the people in the US man, they're trying to go around around with this something that just clears date. Male, female. Right. So that's all just add. And then, like I said, we have a whole course coming out on that. And
sha Allah, Allah, who
should go back to the sisters go back to the sisters. Yeah, I think that's a good balance. Yes, sister.
We just wait for the mic, please.
Well, we need to get it for the mic. That's right.
Both of you have been working for such a long time. And how can you believe in God, I'm writing lots of stuff about it. What is one thing that you think drives people away from religion? In this generation, the most, maybe one thing that drives people away from the fact that there is a higher entity, and someone is doing
something? Okay, let's get started.
So, you know, we have,
we have this service called Lighthouse mentoring, right? I know, doing a lot of shameless plugs. But you know, that's what they pay me for. Anyways, it's a service called Lighthouse mentoring. Okay. Now, in the service, you can book a free one hour session with one of our mentors, one of the Sapiens mentors. One of the great things about that, is that the question you're asking, what drives people away, we now have data, almost three years of data, because we've had all of these conversations with people. And we've actually composed a list, what are the main things that drive people away? Now, you might think that it would be some sort of, like intellectual doubt. And the
reality is, it's, I'd say, maybe 90% of the time, and the other mentors could, you know, you know, affirm this, it's usually not an intellectual doubt. It's something that seems like an intellectual doubt. But there's something in the backdrop that has led to that person to justify their doubt. Right? So if someone says, I don't understand how, you know, let's say the age of Aisha, okay. When you start to dig, and this is what is beneficial about these sessions, because it's just one hour, you another person, no cameras, you're not you don't have an audience. And I was trying to there's no egos involved, they can open up. And so, you know, this person might say, you know, what, I don't
really understand the age of it, and you find out that you know, what, it was complete something completely different. As a young person, they were molested, right, but because of that, they'd had to justify like, you know, they had an affiliation of Islam, to with this person that have molested them. He had a long beard, whatever it might be. So my point is my what my point is
I wouldn't be able to pin it down on one particular thing. But I can tell you, it's overly emphasized that it was going to be intellectual. I would say not again, in our experience three years of data, most people think that it has something to do with some sort of argument that the person has faced. And usually it's not, you know, when you look at the categories of, you know, you have Shabbat and Shabbat, most of the times, it's some sort of Chautauqua. Right? Before it gets to be a Shabbat. Right? So that's what I would say. And so it depends person to person, we've had people that came on and thought they were homosexual. And it just turns out that it was something
completely different. And they actually came out of their belief in their in identifying with their SSA, their same sex attraction to actually come to Islam right properly. So that's what I can say about that. Just data driven. Wonder if you want to add to that? No, I think he's, I think he's covered it very well, to be honest.
All right, I'll let you take the next pick man.
John, pick someone I did last one, this guy? Sure.
I see you on the international media, defending Muslims and going against this government. So the first question is that what they Muslims can
improve their social status? Is that the right you are doing that raising their voice against?
What can be the second way that a normal? And my second question is that
I already know that the job is
very straight, I would really ask that what do you
want to know about your name?
Those are both for you and
ask you the first question. I mean, things that you could do to get better at representing Islam is, I would say, get good at speaking. And that can only be done through practicing. Okay. So practice, speak to your friends, speak to your family speak to different people. Not everyone has to be a public speaker, though, you can help Islam through other means some people are going to be some great technicians, some people are going to be great pilots, some people are going to be great, whatever it may be. So you have to try and find what you're good at.
Every young person should be trying to find what they're good at. So this is why I would recommend, spend time trying to find where your potential lies. As for the second question, I mean, the word hijab in Arabic, it means like, barrier. Okay.
So in Egypt, I'm originally Egyptian, it's a common surname, you know, it's not just what the girls were, but it's, it's a name, I say, it's an Egyptian, Egyptian name, I was
gonna say, you say yes. Can I add something? So what I would say, just in addition to that, one of the things is, you should understand your context as well. Okay. So if you're living here in Pakistan, you have certain problems, certain issues that are going to be specifically context related, in other words, specific to Pakistan itself. Right. So and one of the things that, you know, being here for the few days that I have been here,
I've noticed that peep generally by and large, and I don't want to generalize the whole nation, obviously. But you find that there is a disconnect between, let's say, how people define corruption versus how people divine piety, right?
So if that's something you recognize you make, you can make that your mission, say, Look, you know, what, if corruption is an issue here, then maybe that's something I need to work on. So you study for that, you work for that. And the third and one additional point to that, don't forget about yourself, because you can be doing all this work, studying, you know, finding the arguments, finding the resources, if you're not working on yourself, that's going to be very problematic. You look at the Dawa at the during the second phase. I mean, there tahajjud I mean, throughout the night, right. There's a reason there's a hikma for that? Because there's an understanding that you have to prepare
yourself spiritually, as well as doing the work. So understand that this is a two prong approach if you want to look at it this way, right? Understanding your context, understanding where you need to focus, as you were saying, understanding your own talent, because Allah has blessed you specifically with something that inshallah you will find beloved, and inshallah be easy for you. So your context, your talent, and
and your own spirituality. How can those are questions you can ask yourself? How much Quran do I read in a day? How much the 100 Do I pray? How much do I pray for the OMA and so on and so forth. And that part of that is introspection to be really honest. And that you'll find that that will open doors for you open doors for your Tao Southwell Allah.
Allah Allah
we need one more from sisters, I think we're trying to go back
Salam
this is for like,
and there's this one fit that a few like really big relations here. And, but I feel like if I choose
if I give me give me an example of what you're talking about
that eyebrows, okay?
says that it's okay to do that.
And so it feels like I'm choosing the dunya by choosing that particular case. And the aim is like, for those inshallah. So what I was wondering
about choosing the insert, or what is the
So, this has been spoken about by scholars of all sorts
of scholars of this principles of jurisprudence. And I'm going to tell you, whatever your claim said about this matter. Okay, is one of the great scholars of Islam, and he deals with this matter directly. So I'll just tell you what he said. He said, say, for example, you go to four different people to ask them about Ms. LFL. Hear about some issue to do with Yes, you go to person 123, and four, yeah. Now, if in your heart and your mind, you listen to 123, and four, but number one makes the most sense to you, and you go for number two, this is problematic.
If, however,
number one and number two is like even you don't know which one is the one.
Like, let's just say one, two, and three. So one and two, say the same thing, and three says something else, you go with the majority. So he says, If one and two say position A and three and four, say position B,
then in this situation you go with whatever is easier for you in your life.
And this is because they base that on. The fact that the prophets are Salam is mentioned about
mahaya Robina ambrane, Electra eSATA, Houma Hadith via that he was not told to do two things, except that he chose the easier one. But you don't start off by choosing the easy one.
You see, you try and do find, okay, but if you don't know for sure, you could end up going for the easier one is a legitimate Islamic approach. But you don't start with that. You start off with first trying to figure out if you can't figure it out. Number two,
if you know, for example, that the first scholar is much more knowledgeable than the second scholar,
then you go with the more knowledgeable one, but if there's nothing else, and there's two equal opinions in that situation, you can go with what's easier, he actually
compares the situation to a medical case. He says, For example, if you were sick,
and you went to doctor one and Doctor two and Doctor three, and they gave you three different opinions, what would you do?
He said, treat the matter in exactly the same way as you would treat a medical case because you would be sincere with yourself if you were doing a medical case. So if you're going to be sincere yourself with the medical case, you're going to be you should be as sincere with yourself with the religious situation.
Do you understand what I'm saying? So you could go for the easier option? Yeah, like, but you would only do that after you've really decided okay, according to your claim, the eyebrows thing would be out of the question because the majority would say is haram.
Some other scholars would say actually, you know, they'd have more lenient situation I'm not gonna lie to you. Some other scholars are more lenient about that.
But I'm not going to tell you to do your eyebrows.
Student Scholar, like very knowledgeable and think of anything, obviously like, it's like
that's what we think of him. So like even listen to him like, obviously, he's not like a sinner.
Oh,
yeah, sure. Inshallah, we'll go into paradise. Sure. it logically it doesn't feel right to the central you know,
But the same time
like he might have been humble, obviously like he wouldn't just say anything.
Now the humbly method doesn't say you can pluck your eyebrows by the way, it's the surefire method that some of the some of the scholars have the surefire method say this not the hunt, not the humbly on the humbly, quite strict about it. In fact, the humbly say should cover your face that yeah, as as alleged, as as an obligate obligation.
I mean,
I would say to you, that there is an opinion under Islam that allows this
you have to follow your conscious, at the end of the day, if you've gone through the process, and you still feel like, okay, you know, what, I don't know, whatever, then you could choose what's easier. But for me, there's two or three steps before that.
If a woman did that, if a woman did that, like if a woman did that, and she really believed that that opinion was the killer was the true one. I wouldn't have any problem with it.
Me personally, but asked me because who am I like, you know, but I'm saying that
it's up to you at the end of the day, what you want to choose Jani, what you think is the right approach, but ignore him would say, choose it in the way that you would choose a medical issue?
Because that's when you would be
sincere with yourself on it.
You want to add to that, that's good. Okay.
Let's go for the far back was with a turban on his head.
Excellent. I think you need to my question, is this, is there a distinction does he is wearing this give me this
report for the mic? I don't know the cameras worried or whatnot.
And, and given the out of, you know, defending Islam or the state where it's, it's, it's facing hostility against so many different ideologies and cetera, et cetera?
Absolutely, yeah, there is. There is a distinction to be made. Because Allah says in the Quran, well, that to get you to Al Kitab, 11. Let's hear Assam Illa Allah Xin Avila momentum that do not
debate, the people have the book except with beautiful preaching in a good way, except for the ones who have oppressed among them. So there's always an exception to the rule that the general rule is, you're nice with people. You're you're good with people. But then if there's an exception is when they show you disrespect. Now, let me give an example and try and relate this to Pakistani society somehow, right. So for example, I have noticed that in Pakistan society, in the upper echelons of the society you have, you know, when I say upper echelons, I'm talking about monetarily, like as a, you know, upper classes financially, right.
There's an over representation of secular secularists, comparative to the rest of the population.
And I've noticed some nastiness. And some arrogance, even from some of those secularists especially in their dealing with the traditionalists community, from within their own socio economic group. I'm not sure if this is something you have noticed or not from, find something if I'm off the market.
Now, in a situation like that, I think it would be detrimental to be overly nice to such people.
Because if they came, like, you know, many people are asking questions now should go hurt I want. That's one thing. But if someone comes and tries to question that the wabbit or what you call the
unambiguous situations in Islam, and rulings using an outside ideology, whether it's classical liberalism or feminism,
whatever it may be, that has a knowledge production in the West.
And they use that knowledge production to try and hammer you over the head with it.
Then effectively, what they've done is they've voluntarily colonized themselves.
But then they are trying to twist your arm to do the same thing. They are suffering from what is referred to as the Gora complex.
You see,
this is the case, because I can guarantee you
that if you were to ask some of these people at the highest level of Pakistani society, who identify as classical liberals or as feminists or as secularists or whatever it may be,
to give evidence, rational and philosophical evidence for their worldview.
They would not be able to do so
if I said what are the philosophical evidences for the second wave feministic
proposition that despite anatomical and biological and psychological differences between men and women,
that despite those differences, that there must be equality in all cases. What's the evidence for that? Just like the brother was asking me, what's the evidence for a personal God? There was an evidence for this. And we said the design argument or whatever is, what is your equivalent of the design argument for feminism?
So they don't have any evidence, I'm sorry to say there is no evidence because the evidence has been thoroughly repudiated,
thoroughly repudiated.
And if you really ask someone for the evidence of classical liberalism, or let's say social liberalism,
John Stuart Mill himself could not produce an evidence that his contemporaries and his colleagues were satisfied with, and he's the father of social liberalism in the West. Now, if he couldn't do it, and he's one of the most brilliant minds of the West, in the Enlightenment period at the peak of the Enlightenment period, I doubt a Pakistani blind follower.
Who attends lumps?
Because because he has the money to go here, and then he's smoking a little marijuana and going to a party on the Saturday night.
And he attends the LGBTQ community. Yes.
Because his masters, the white man have told him to do so. I doubt that that guy can produce something even equivalent to what John Stuart Mill could provide. He would be liberating himself if he had just said,
I am just following the white man. They have clean streets and tall buildings. They have a higher GDP, Surely they must be right. I don't have any evidence for I believe. Yeah, I am following them. Because they have cleaner streets and taller buildings. Just be honest and say that's the odd because of Hollywood I have been impacted by Netflix and Hollywood.
I am impressed by the white man.
I voluntarily put myself under colonial ideological subjugation of the white man and the white woman because let's be honest, feminism wasn't started in Lahore.
Don't put down but pretend that second wave feminism came from Lahore or Karachi. It's not a female emancipation emancipation project that has its roots in the East it is a western knowledge production.
And now if you look at for example, Western feminists
compare the amount of time and energy that they have put into abortion issues and equal pay issues with the amount of energy that they have put into the more fundamental human rights have the right of life for women in Palestine and Kashmir or Uighur women or elsewhere. This shows you without a shadow of a doubt that they don't really care about you as much as you care about them.
How and to Allah E to buena home, where are you born?
Oh you the Quran says this. You love them but they don't love you.
Why did you voluntarily want to be Padgett
and
know why?
The white man is not impressed.