Depression and Suicide Thoughts at Mekkah

masilela houbara cattle, we're joined tonight with the main man himself.

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by the head of the Harlem aka dow Alicia's brother, what's up guys, and today we're gonna be talking about a very important issue. Actually, it's an issue which I've had a discussion with you before, and we're having some food. And obviously your area, especially as we feel like your your work that you've done in your university, your studies, and also the ones that you've engaged in, a lot of it is to do with psychology and counseling, and things like that. And what we discussed, which you want it to make public inshallah for benefit of the people was the issue of depression and suicide, the question which leads to suicide,

in a general sense, and that's just been your work. And we've been trying to prevent suicide for people we work on on suicide prevention for a long time, before we start, there's going to be a lot of key words that we're going to be using here in this discussion. So I wanted to kind of get that out of the way. First, the word depression. What do we mean by depression? And what do we mean by anxiety, one of the differences between depression anxiety, when you usually look up the definition to depression, they'll say that it's a perpetual state of sadness, a constant state of distress. And when we talk about anxiety is usually has to deal with the future, whereas depression usually deals

with the past.

So now, yeah, yeah, one of the points I want to make it what do you mean by that? Can you just stress that point? A little bit. So anyway, so is that when you're anxious, you're more concerned with? you're uncertain of the future? And therefore that, that, that uncertainty, exactly that's the point, that uncertainty is the thing that makes people anxious, okay, you can't be depressed about the future. But we'll never have someone depressed about, you know, the future, but they're depressed about the past, because they keep ruminating on the same feelings and thoughts. You know, and we spoke about this before about internal contradictions, when your thoughts contradict each

other cognitive dissonance, okay. Yeah. And we have that, like, I want to stress this a little bit that when it comes to depression, you know, like, we have a misconception that some of the people say that if you're a Muslim, you shouldn't be going through this. I mean, this is a, I think this is wrong, honestly, like, Allah says, elimination, no Quran, what do you say about, you know, not losing hope, because the essence of depression, essentially, what happens is you lose hope. And I've dealt with a lot of people, a lot of children, actually, when, when we asked them, you know, why they're like, there's nothing to live for. And then we say, what about your mother? What do you say

to a child who says, Well, my mother is the reason why I want to commit suicide? What do you say to a child when she says I was actually sexually assaulted by my father? So certain things that we use, like as Muslims, like, Alright, have patients, go to your family members, and do that sometimes that don't doesn't work? Okay, so before we get to solutions, because I do want to speak to you about

solutions, I think it's for the thing that we start with causes. I think you've alluded to it a little bit there by talking about kind of childhood experiences, extreme cases. I mean, to be fair with you, as long as I've been in, in the Dow and on the public face, if you like a lot of people have been sending me messages.

And these messages a lot of them have been to do with people feeling depressed, you know, people feeling depressed. And a lot of them have had an explained to me that you've had a lot of issues in terms of childhood experiences. I mean, we're sitting in a place that

you know, the Halloween Makita someone recently, I'm not sure if you saw in the news, committed suicide?

I was going viral the video No, no, the point is that I'm trying to make is there is a problem in the Muslim communities and wherever you may be, you have those thoughts. So water causes of depression and anxiety. So as I mentioned before, the constant thinking the rumination of negative thoughts, constantly telling yourself that there is no way out. I mean, also panel Allah has opened up so many doors for us, even when he closes the door is the type of opening we know that you know, some of the Islamic principles you know, I'll never I'll never takes he only gives, and his taking is actually given to so when you withhold something he's actually given. So we don't think like

that, you know, in a broader spectrum. So when we become insular with ourselves and with the world around us, we feel like the skies and you know, they're falling upon us. And so, when you're when you're having depressive depression, and you have thoughts like that, this is when from the Muslim perspective shaitan takes advantage. This is when he attacks even more, because what will happen then is you spent you start spending time or you start eating

You start, you know, lack of exercise. And it's similar, right? It's a circular it goes around. So one of the things is that thoughts, your very own thoughts. Second is that the lack of social support that you have. So and you may have, you may have family members that are willing to reach out to you, but you keep to yourself. This is one problem with depression when people keep to themselves, right. So when you have people reaching out to you, when you say you have sisters and brothers reaching out to you, that's actually a good sign. So when people start losing hope,

in people that surround them and everything around them, that's when they, you know, get into the state of depression, this perpetual, you know, thought, constant thought of sadness, and nobody's there to tell them, you know, don't think like this, you know, because it's, if you're not speaking about it's an internal so no one can actually say anything to you. Right. And some of the origins were here in the surrounding, which gives us some lessons on the law. From an Islamic perspective, have you thought about anxiety, one of the places that are in this complex areas of suffering Marwan we know the story of her job, when she went from suffer to a Marwan Jewish, you heard her son were

stranded, and she kept running from one mountain to another mountain, until at the end of it, she, Allah gave her the water, which we still drink till this day, which is one of the miracles really on this site, that we still can drink the same water, literally

a symbol of our physical manifestation of having hope, until Allah subhanaw taala or reliance upon Allah. So and I own one thing I want to analogy I want to make is that people are usually by nature, spiritually hungry and thirsty, right. But the problem with anxiety is that when people become anxious, they have physiological changes that, you know, disable them, they have physical changes that disable them. And also,

basically, when they when they're anxious, they stopped with their actions. In this case, in her case,

she didn't stop with any of her actions, she kept going, right. And this is amazing. So

it's a big lesson, because when you're anxious or depressed, don't don't stop from you know, again, don't lose hope. You know, there's people that want to help you, right? But you have, they have to know because a lot of people are good at hiding their depression as well. You can hide the depression behind smiles.

said yes, you don't want to ask you to

spread the news. Don't spread bad ones and make life easy for people don't make it hard. And we we don't know how, you know, simple words can have a huge impact on people. I know, people who fell off the, you know, Golden Gate Bridge, they said, If I can find they left the note, if I could find someone who smiles at me and says hi, or Hello, how's your day going? I won't take my life. And they ended up committing suicide. So we forget. So Pamela, that there, you know, our words goes a long way, especially to those who are having internal struggles or depressed or anxious. So definitely gonna ask you about solutions. But I think we've covered that. Now. Obviously, this topic needs a

very long, detailed outlet is probably just an introduction just to get people,

people's spirits up and hopes up. Absolutely. And we're in a place. Last thing I want to say. So Pamela, we're from the Kaaba, as you guys can see. And this is a testimony all these others Well, I'm really informed more than 2 million people where you know, as a panelist kind of tosses in the Quran. Yeah, you handed us Oh, people in Nicola Tanaka, Linda Karima. Indeed, we upgraded from male and female, which I'm not gonna show bah, bah, bah, Lita, right, we created you from male and female, and we put you into different tribes and nations and places and different races and languages and tongues, so that you may get to know one another. And so Pamela coming over here, you

can see all these people from different places. And it's a blessing to know one another. And we actually don't know what people are going through internally, what you were saying about the social thing, so yes, yes. for yourself in this position where he or she lives with people. Yes, exactly. And then and then you find out that a lot of the people are just like you and they need the justice. They need the same support that you may need. And it's kind of luck. So yeah, well it was an interesting introduction in Sharla want to see more videos like this from you in general about about your experiences or about some of the solutions we'll do some more follow obviously follow up with

me Japanese channel and also I got my own thing going on that will licious brother so stay tuned. We're gonna do some work together. Yeah, we're gonna do some double damage in Shell okay. So I had to go out to LA he loved but I can't