Channel: Mohammed Hijab
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That's fine. Sorry, go ahead. Now, what I wanted to ask here is, in addition to that question is, when I was looking at the VEDA and rememorize, the, the, into the Sanskrit just to, yes, do a little bit of it.
Where it says in
your punish as a punishment as part of the literature that is acceptable in the Hindu tradition. I think it's in the second sixth chapter, you know, in the first and the fourth section, and the first verse, it says, income, if so, where it says that, you know, God is one without a second.
And it's also mentioned, you know, in the pan is also mentioned in the Vedas, natural VEDA, and the 32nd chapter in the second verse, that God has no image, there's no likeness of God, which obviously, as a Muslim, when I approach this kind of information, it is more familiar to me because we believe in monotheism, and we believe in one God and things like that. So how would you reconcile the fact that this my question really, that the Vedas and the the Vedic literature in general make it very clear that you should only believe in one God on the one hand, but then there are these mentions of multiplicity of Gods in the Vedic literature?
Well, first of all, the idea is that God has no material form, like we have the material form, which is, which is temporary and defective in so many ways, but because he has a spiritual form. So when when there's a reference to God is not having a form. It doesn't have a form. But what about the other reference that he's one without a second? How would you do
Well, although he's one without a second, that he, he can expand himself into forms of equal potency. And he's still the same person. Let me tell you something that the Quran says and I just want you to give me your opinion on it, because it's quite interesting. You're saying this, in the Quran in the 23rd chapter, in the 91st, verse, if I'm correct, correctly, remembering, it makes the argument that had there been more than one God, that each of those Gods would fight one another, for the ultimate diminutive for the ultimate, so there'll be fighting each other?
And if you think of it from a philosophical perspective, if we think of God as having one will, if you will, right? What makes God God is the fact that he is able to put everything underneath him, as you mentioned before with, with, with Vishnu, sorry, with Krishna, Krishna has never, so the fact that he is able to subordinate everything else, and that he is the ultimate power the ultimate world. In other words, no will can supersede His Will you see what I mean? So the question of how could it be the case that there was more than one God, I guess, my question to you is, how could it be the case that you can have more than one ultimate God, which has more than one ultimate will?
Wouldn't the worlds contradict each other? Well, I see when you have Krishna expanding and conditional, they say the same person is manifesting, and multifarious Lee, so it's not a question of multiple beings, but a being with multiple forms, acting in different ways. Are you talking about like pantheism? if you will? No, no, because he is the same person. Right?
Between Krishna and Vishnu, so you don't believe in pantheism? Or do you do believe in
pantheism is where God is sort of spread out? Yeah. So So the idea is that
we don't believe in pantheism we believe that God is spread out everywhere, but he doesn't lose his identity as as the Supreme Court once again, are you talking about Krishna here? Are you talking? Yeah.
So that was
a term known as Vishnu tatva, which refers to the category of God. So why would it say that an average of eight,
in the 32nd jumps in this in the second verse that there's no image of him and yet we see so many images here in the, in the Hindu tradition? Well, there, there's,
like I said, there's
God has no material for, When, when, when it's when God is described is without form is the ultimate material form. So you do believe it. There's other places where it's described, the God has a spiritual form, but and even given the Christian tradition, there's an idea that we are created in the image of God, which is, implies that God has an actual form. And, and there's actually within within the Puranas, there's places where God says, you can make a model of my form out of these eight elements and you can wish them
According to these rules, and through the medium of this form, I will reciprocate okay. So, but what we're trying to establish it is really, whether or not you believe that God is one. God is one. So you do believe in God is one. Yeah. There's like one verse, there's one verse. This is when you apologize,
because it meets your needs, you know, satana say to non Aiko bound on yoga.com of all eternal beings, there's one being around all conscious being this is one being, one conscious being, and not being as fulfilling all the desires of all the interests very interesting. So you do believe in a monotheistic entity that controls the universes that created the universes? Would you say that?
Would you say that God is most merciful and all powerful and potent? would you would you ascribe those traditional sort of Abrahamic attributes of God that you'd find in the Abrahamic religions to your your idea of God your custom Yeah, to Krishna Vishnu? where's where's where's this? Brahman? Shiva? There they are. They're just in the same they weren't there. They're in the category of Jeeva. Taka, which means Do you believe in this just saris? Just to cut you asked me for this question comes up my mind. But this might seem like a funny question. But once again, you have to appreciate that we're coming from a different
so you know these. So like, for example, carnation and the elephant garden. And all of these gods, do you believe that they are actual beings that they actually existed, that they are real? That's how they're described? You know, and it's theirs. And it's described that people interacted with them at different times, but generally not at this time, because that this period of time they're not.
The people aren't qualified to worship them. They're not worship. Okay. So they don't. So are they real or not? They're real. But they're not. They're not on the level of their ego. Okay, so that's interesting. So we both believe in an entity that has everything as a subordinate. So God is the entity
that has everything else as a subordinate? So I think,
yeah, so I think that's a point of agreement. Yeah, that's, that's.
So would you say that if I mean, what, let me tell you our perspective, right. Because the way we say is, this is something just once again, just to give you our insight, we say that we believe in one God, that that one God is separate from the creation inextricably, like in his actual essence. So for example, God is all knowing. We believe that God is all knowing he's all mercy, merciful, but his mercy and knowledge is everywhere, but that he himself isn't inextricably everywhere. Like that. Yeah, so he's not within me, and it's not within you.
Which is an important way to understand the difference between God, the Creator and the creation. That's the first thing we would say the second thing we would really say is that this one God who is all powerful, and his most important is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, that he, the purpose of life, we would say, there is a purpose of life, and that the purpose of life is to, first of all come to realize this God. And secondly, come to worship this God. So really, this is it. So to know this God, and to worship this God, once that's been established, then you should follow the God's rules. Always ask where there's God's rules come from. So we would say once again, that I'm
not sure if you've heard this before. But, you know, we believe that one God has sent many messages. So from say, Adam is Prophet, Noah is a messenger, from all of these individuals had one primary message, and one primary, really command for the people, which was to worship one God and to to believe in one God. So the purpose of life in a nutshell from an Islamic perspective, is to worship God. That one god that created me in that created you that one god that is all powerful, and all knowing, and all these kind of things. Would you say that that makes sense considering where you're coming from? I can be supported by Bhagavad Gita. Yeah. So it doesn't make sense. Interesting. so
easily. Krishna says, three or four things. Think of me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer homage to those four. All right. So I mean, well, I don't have a problem with it. Because what we say is that, you know, people have this misconception maybe that before Islam started with the Prophet Muhammad, you see what I mean in this in the seventh century. We we say Islam is a word which is actually derived from another Arabic word good. It's this lamb, which is submission. So really, we believe that the way to do your purpose is to be submissive to God, to do what he wants you to do. And that he said, messengers are for time, all of which had the same primary message. So
it could very well be the case that he sent messages and profits to India. You know, I mean, because there is one week tradition is required.
Traditional says there's 134,000 prophets that were sent a full time, you know, and each to their own people in their own time. So it's very, very conceivable to suggest that maybe there was a prophet
that went to two went to India, and he spread the message of God. And then that message, which is the Mahabharat, for example, the word God's word, then became changed, became a little bit, you know, corrupted. I mean, I'm not saying that Hinduism is, I mean, this is a thing. I'm not saying that some of the verses you mentioned, I really associated with them. So I'm not saying Hinduism is all wrong, I think this is a positive show, right, as opposed to the wrong thing, you could have done it as well.
But we would say that the final message of it is the Prophet Mohammed. And the difference between him and all the other prophets and messengers is that he came for all people at all times. And that the book, which is the Quran, which was revealed to him is the only book to be preserved the only religious book in ancient religious history that has ever been preserved. And that this is a testimony to his authenticity. Yeah. So just a quick question, would you say that this is a conceivable belief system where you were all of these prophets and messengers came with that same message and
and they they told that people to believe in one God and worship one God?
Yeah, yeah. Basically.
Our spiritual teacher actually says something about that. And one of the reports in the Bhagavad Gita, which is very much along the lines of what we say, how about you Bhagavad Gita on my phone? That was interesting. I think we should
just just download Gita base.
Any any other websites you want to
address when I'm not much? Interesting? Okay, no problem. There's one called krishna.com. Okay.
spelled exactly who you are a n.co M is interesting. You know, for any person who wants to see what the brand says, In English language. You could you could refer to that one.
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