Jamal Badawi – The Quran – Ultimate Miracle 39 – Baseless Claims In Al Kafi

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The segment discusses the loss of the Quran and its significance in shambles and events, including its use in political and media settings. The title of the Quran is cited as a reference to the Sunni Islam, and shaping people's political beliefs is a topic of concern. The segment also touches on political insertion and the history of the Quran, including the use of small parts of the Arabic language to imitate the Prophet's bounties and the difficulty in finding the truth. The transcript concludes with a promise to see again next weekend.

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			As I welcome you all to Islam and focus this program on the series of sources of Islam to be more
specific,
		
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			a fantasy of the Quran. I'm your host, Rashad minich.
		
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			Dr. Roger laboratory from technology University.
		
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			I want
		
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			to start with a summary of last week's program. Okay, last week's program, a dead end with one
essential question. That is, is there any possibility that any portion of the Quran was ever lost or
forgotten by the prophet? We examine that in terms of the internal evidence. And we have seen that
in more than one reference in the Quran including 15 nine, there is a clear
		
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			promise divine promise to preserve the Quran from loss.
		
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			To remove any question or doubt about internal evidence we also discuss the two verses in the Quran,
which refer to the term nesea or forget or its derivatives as it relates to the Quran. And by
analyzing them carefully, it was quite clear that neither of them refer to the Prophet, Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him for getting a portion of the Quran before it was promulgated, or
communicated to people.
		
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			And that any possibility of minor forgetfulness on the part of the prophet of a few passages was
definitely after the Quran has been communicated to others. And as we said in previous programs,
both by memorization and by writing, it was even clear from the incident narrated in Bukhari and
Muslim. When the Prophet remember the few passages that he forgot when he heard a men, reciting them
in the mosque. But this itself is a proof that the Prophet might have forgotten those passages only
after the Quran was communicated, or else how could that man know or decide this unless it was
already decided before. That was more important, actually, also is the
		
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			revision, you might say, where Angel guardian angel of revelation came to the prophet to review with
him, what has been revealed to the Quran up to that point, and that this review took place, twice,
even in the final years of the life of the Prophet, and in the presence of people who are like the
most prominent memorizers and companions. So it wasn't, you know, something even secretive or
limited. And towards the end of the program, we discussed also what I called, more or less the
political sectarian type of claims that are sometimes made, that are used to contain evidence of the
rights of the cousin of the Prophet Ali. He and his descendants to be the exclusive role of Muslims
		
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			for forever. As was mentioned, for example, in the book called al caffee. And we try to indicate
that this kind of claims are totally baseless, there is complete lack of evidence and is just
totally untenable.
		
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			You possibly give us a brief idea about the reference that you decided at Cafe.
		
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			The exact title of it is called an oil mineral cafe, where I think we have kind of jerks are one of
the prints of that book. And the author is called up in Java and claiming, without in the years 328
of hedger, that is the migration of the Prophet that would be approximately around the middle of the
10th century. In the Common Era.
		
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			That book is regarded by Shiite as perhaps the most important source of hobbies or tradition. And by
the way, when they use the word hobbies or tradition, they refer not only to the saving of Prophet
Muhammad, peace be upon him, but also the savings of their events, they put them on equal footing
they both are regarded by them as hobbies
		
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			So in a way, the book, that book is called, are regarded, almost in the same status, but not exactly
almost the same status like Buhari, for example collection of prophetic saying among
		
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			the so called Sunni Muslims, the importance of that book for shy understanding, of course is
indisputable. It has been printed several times, the print that was just shown,
		
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			was published in the US 30 188 of migration, which would be about 1968. In our common era in
Thailand, that is in Iran by a publisher called barrel, quotable Islamia. It was this same
reference, in fact, that we made a quick mention of last time in which it is claimed that there was
a must have or lives of Fatima, which is three times as big as the present current, but does not
have any single word of the Quran that we have today, the reference was specifically to what you
want, on page 259 of that print
		
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			was half
		
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			a patina. And maybe you could explain to us exactly what this is according to the sheer quantity
shabby. Well, we can refer again to the same reference, in that same reference call by Kathy that we
have shown previously, on page 214.
		
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			It is claimed there that when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, died, his daughter, Fatima, was
very, very clear. So God sent her exclaimed an engine to suit her and talk to her that she mentioned
that to her husband, who was also the cousin of the Prophet. So we talked to her whenever you feel
that, that is the presence of the engine, and you hear the sound, tell me.
		
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			So she told him about that. And he started to write down what the engine was saying, and put that
together in leads or must have.
		
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			He mentioned that it was mentioned by the narrative that this must have all leads did not contain
any aspect of law, like the forbidden in the permissible. Like I said, it contained the knowledge of
what will happen that is like prophecies in the future. Well, if you look at that particular
duration, which was just shown in the original print of the
		
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			Virgin, that's just to get the translation, more or less, or summary
		
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			seems to indicate that Fatima, the daughters of the Prophet, peace, be upon him, received revelation
after the Prophet as if to complete and supplement the revelation given to him. And obviously, if,
if we were to comment on that, it is contrary to what the Quran itself say, especially in chapter
five and verse four, in which God says that today that religion has been perfected, and completed.
It is also contrary to the fact that in the Quran, itself, as well as in many of the sayings of the
Prophet, the revelation given to the Prophet during his lifetime, there had been a large number of
prophecies
		
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			that were mentioned. And we have discussed some of these in detail in a portion of the series
dealing with the authority of the Quran.
		
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			For that reason, we find that Muslims uphold that believe that no human being after Prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him received divine revelation, including even the number of his own household, in the
face that was shown
		
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			the same page that was shown
		
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			next to that citation, it is also claimed that the image and the image that is the sentence
		
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			possess a document which contains the sons of David, the Torah of Moses, the gospel or ngl, of
Jesus, the lives of Abraham, the lows of the forbidden in the permissible and the most half are
loose, or fatahna. And then there is an addition said that, that there is no claim that it contains
Koran. That's why perhaps it might be useful here to comment on the term was
		
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			literally speaking, let the term must have ruins lives does not necessarily mean literally speaking
the Quran.
		
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			But on the other hand, as an Islamic terminology, the term mishap has always been used to refer to
the Quran in particular revelation, the holy book, many times it's used as
		
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			interchangeably with the Quran. But in any case, regardless of what exactly was meant by the most
half of Fatima, or the lives of Fatima, the basic point here is that in this major source of Shiite
thinking, and Kathy, the claim is made there without any substantive evidence, evidence at all, that
the Quran that we have today is not really complete, because it does not contain this claim.
		
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			portions. And this is a matter which is definitely contrary to the unanimity of Muslims and even the
witness of many discussions among Muslims, even
		
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			this kind of claim document is not the only reference in fact, that we find in Shiite books
pertaining to the completeness of the Quran. And mind you, as we mentioned in a previous program,
any person who believes that there is a difference or an or that the Quran that we have today, is
not complete or tamper have been tampered with in any way. Aside from being contrary to all internal
and external evidence cannot be regarded really, as a Muslim ontology name and Muslim while
absorbing this kind
		
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			of ideas. Maybe we should elaborate on some of that. Now, you just said that
		
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			there are other references in the shear sources relating to the Quran, yes. Now, these references
actually limited to the leaves of Fatima.
		
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			Not necessarily. Let me give you a couple of other references, which is not necessarily as you said,
		
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			you know, limited to the limits of Fatima,
		
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			for example, and the same reference or Kathy that recited before, in Volume One, page 228 This is my
more or less translation as much as I could.
		
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			It says that anyone could claim to have collected the whole Quran as revealed is but a liar. No one
collected and preserved it that is preserved and understood it as Allah Most High Rahim except Adi,
son of abitata, that is the cousin of the Prophet and the immigrants or his descendants after him.
		
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			That statement
		
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			is not mentioned they're quite clearly the one even after that, another claimed Hadees they say that
is an attribution to one of their immigrants. It says again caught in my translation, no one can
claim that he has the entire Quran the evidence, that is the evidence meaning and the hidden that is
hidden meaning except the ousia. ousia means basically like the guardians a term which is usually
used by the Shiite to refer to Allah, may Allah be pleased with him and his descendants are the
demands.
		
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			There are also numerous other examples which shows the same kind of basic claim that there have been
a systematic attempt, contrary to all evidence that you have seen that there have been a systematic
attempt to drop portions of the Quran are small parts or words that used to contain evidence of the
political claim made by the Shiite that only Ali and the immigrants or his descendants were the only
qualified rulers, Muslims. Well,
		
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			give us a few examples of specific passages where the claim of actually drafting moves is made.
Okay, when again to refer to their main source and Kathy,
		
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			on page 176.
		
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			There is a reference to a verse that we have today in the Quran which appears today in chapter 22.
More specifically, it's verse 52.
		
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			The one that we have in the Quran, which is again, has been confirmed and preserved amount of sun
meme and public interest meaning whether or not we have not sent any messenger or profit before you
or Mohammed.
		
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			In the the way, the this verse is quoted in Al caffee. It says one out of seven, then we've got the
cameras rolling well, another good one, I'm guessing, you have not seen anyone before you are
Mohammed messenger, Prophet, or mahabis, which is again a term that is used to refer to the Imams or
the you know the sentence of the prophets. In another print, or edition of the same book, Volume One
on page 414. We find again, a similar claim of a few words dropped
		
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			claimed to have been dropped from the Quran.
		
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			That is in reference to chapter 33, verse 17, in the Quran, which again in the original Quranic
series, woman, which is our asuna, who has 1000 albina, which means whatever obeys Allah and His
Messenger, indeed, he has achieved a great reward or a great success. And the claim is made again,
that know that the original was not like that it says, when we look
		
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			at an image,
		
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			which means, whatever obeys Allah and His Messenger in accepting the guardianship of algae and the
amounts after him, he has achieved success. So the claim is that this evidence was suppressed, to
reject the notion that, you know, only alien is the signature of the Muslim.
		
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			In chapter 26, in verse 27, again, in the center Quran, it says was her alma Levy, novolin
		
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			callicoon, those who have transgressed will know what kind of return they will have kind of set.
Again, the claim is made, that there was something dropped in the middle, which means was
		
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			Mohammed haccombe, those who transgressed and took away the rights of the descendants of Prophet
Muhammad, that is, those who accepted to be rulers when people elected them, that is, before it was
chosen, that these people will be punished. Another example also, that appeared in a book called
fastboot setup, we'll come to that a little later, on page 180.
		
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			In a surah, in the Quran called ashara, in which the Allah gives or recounts his bounties on Prophet
Muhammad, peace be upon him, have we expanded your chest, you know, opened your heart and so on. And
they said, no one verse was dropped from that, that is one of those blessings saying, what are the
answers, and we need your son in law.
		
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			It is interesting to notice here by way of commentary, that the, the insertion here is quite clearly
political, really, because it is well known that if anybody had the honor to be related to the
Prophet, because the other way around, now, that was a great honor to be given to Annie, may Allah
be pleased with him, is that he was the son in law of the great man, Prophet Muhammad, but to say
that one of the blessings of Mohammed that his army became it sounds like, you know, sort of reverse
		
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			logic. So that's why, you know, we said before, that this is basically a sort of political insertion
really sectarian, but doesn't have any evidence at all, and has ever been having ever been part of
the Quran. And in addition to the references made, that is Kathy and the first book,
		
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			and other books like cereal can be a commentary on the Quran, for example, on Pepsi to Safi other
Shiite differences, similar kinds of claims are made with not just one thing, since at least I
happen to have some knowledge of the Arabic language that anyone with the slightest knowledge of
Arabic, will know. And easily can distinguish how observed, you know, the sounds, literally
speaking, this content versus just the kind of claimed
		
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			parts that were dropped, it doesn't make any sense at all, from the standpoint of the literal beauty
and the nature and the flow of the Quran.
		
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			Could you tell us a bit more about that chapter. And I think it's really
		
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			about the details as to exactly what's in it. Well, there is actually there's more than one chapter,
not just the claims, dropping a few words here and there, because these are all right, somebody
might say these are just like one word or two words. But more seriously than that, there is a claim
of one chapter at least there's mention of another one also. short one, composed of several verses
that is claimed has been dropped from the Quran.
		
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			And that is known as the chapter
		
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			surah of and malaria. Here is a Xerox copy of that. And it's it referred to the same political view
of Shiite and that is only Ali and his descendants should have been the permanent and exclusive
rulers of Muslims throughout history, and learning anyone who does not accept that particular view.
		
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			This particular chapter was referred to by many writers, shy writers, including Nebraska,
		
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			who was a very famous shy
		
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			we wrote that down 1881
		
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			But appears also or was quoted by the famous German
		
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			orientalist, not decades, in his history of the copies of the Quran in Volume Two, page one or two,
it appeared also in a French journal called Asiatic in 1842. From pages 431. And I know that the,
the, the picture shown shows the chapters in Arabic with some translation repression underneath. So
maybe just give you my English translation as far as that would be quite interesting. It says all
you have to do is in the process, and the guardian or worry, which we sent both. In other words,
equating the profit with army, which we sent both guiding you to a straight path, a profit and a
guardian or Valley proceeding, one of the others condemned an hour away, very late. For those who
		
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			fulfill the covenant of Allah are the guardians of Felicity, and those on whom our songs are
recited. They reject them. For them is the Hellfire in the headphone is a great abode, when it is
called on to them in the Day of Judgment, where are the translator transgressors, the rejecters the
messengers, again, like I said, if you go back, let alone the, you know, the English version, if you
go back to the
		
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			one that was shown the Arabic version of it, it doesn't make any sense at all in terms of literal
meaning. It reminds me of the acclaimed Quran of Messiah Lama, you know, there was a false prophet
after Prophet Muhammad, actually.
		
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			It's called Messiah, the language. And he tried to imitate the Quran by taking some small parts from
the Quran here and there and patch them. And it came up something very laughable and very funny. I
mean, once again, with Christopher, we can read it, and judge for yourself.
		
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			The other chapter I mentioned, he said, there's at least two that has you mentioned,
		
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			is called the chapter of unmooring, the two lights a minute a very quick reference to that in the
previous program. And Marine, by the way, is a title that is referred to you use to refer to Prophet
Muhammad, and Ali.
		
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			But it's interesting to notice that this term, has not appeared until the 13th century of hijra,
that is nearly, you know, over 600 years, I should say, after the death of Prophet Muhammad, and
after the Quran has been completely revealed, which again shows the kind of, you know,
		
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			fabrication that was published again by a mentalist by the name of garcin, JRC I don't see a SS
right? under the title and unknown chapters of the Quran. I don't and neither of these, we find that
we find any shred
		
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			of evidence internal or external, for that matter, historical. That stands against the overwhelming
evidence discussed in several programs.
		
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			showing that there is no word of the crown that was dropped in that there were many watchdogs, if
you will, everybody. Lots of people memorize the Quran, it was written down.
		
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			It's obvious that these claims are truly sectarian political in nature. that emerged long time after
the completion of the revelation of the Quran, and only after this dispute took place, you know
about who should be the role of the leader of the Muslim community. Now, obviously, services were
disturbing, to the best of your knowledge. And these views about the Quran are very common amongst
the Shia today.
		
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			The answer to that question in a conclusive way is difficult. For two reasons. One, is that the
nature of belief is something which is basically in the heart. And unless the person of course, can
forward and state
		
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			clearly unlike the references mentioned, for example, that even if a person say that in public say
he that believes that he or she believes that the Quran is the same as being revealed to the
Prophet, one also find that this problem is not resolved totally. Because in Shiite thinking and
theology, as is found in a cafe, their main reference and the writings of many others of their
leaders, especially contemporary leaders,
		
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			there is a concept called a taqueria, which means that you could reveal something different from
what you believe under certain circumstances. But we'll leave aside the judging the intention,
motives and just look at some of the clear indicators that may help find an answer to this question.
I'm not clear
		
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			I know the answer fully. But
		
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			it is fair to say that they have been getting cancer from time to time some Shiites, who clearly and
forcefully deny that don't believe in any other Quran other than the Quran that has been unanimously
accepted by by all Muslims. In fact, even some of their scholars have said that, as quoted by Dr.
dress, in an interesting article called initiation into the Holy Quran published in the Islamic
review and had affairs in working England, in January of 69.
		
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			In which again, one of the leaders is quoted there as totally rejecting this notion that is any
different Quran.
		
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			However, it is interesting to notice that one of the major scholars, she had scholar by the name of
Bob Ross, he wrote in the year 100, let's say 1289, which approximately would be in the Common Era
1878, a book which he called us, let's see if that is kita ba, ba, ba, translation of the title is
the final word, improving the alteration of the book of the loads of loads. That is the Quran. And
it contained hundreds of texts, quoted from Shiite scholars, in so many different points of history,
so many different decades, who carried this idea? After that book appeared, some of the Shiite
scholars replied to him, and they tried to reject what he said that in explaining this action on
		
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			those who tried to reject that book, some writers and only reporting some writers believed that this
was only an application of this concept of peculiar or hiding, that they were disturbed that this
book is published on a large scale might awaken many Muslims to the real nature of the shy beliefs.
However, only God knows all I can say that in the present time to come to your question. One of the
perhaps the most prominent Shiite leaders in his book called ultra common Islamic or Islamic
government in the Arabic version that they have here on 3072. He praises and carefully that we cited
before and he says that it contains the cam or the rules of the religion. And we have mentioned
		
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			before that it is the same Kathy that this leaders praises which contain desplaines, of the
alteration of the Quran.
		
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			attempt by the sheer means today to clarify the situation and clarify how they feel about the room.
I certainly hope that, for two reasons, the matter is very serious, because it's
		
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			a question of difference in jurisprudence, or how to make evolution. But something which determine
whether a person is a Muslim or not relates to the Quran, the Book of Allah.
		
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			We hear a lot these days calls for unity of Muslims, which is very good. But obviously you can't
have unity between belief and unbelief in the book of Allah. So the issue must be clarified very
clearly. And I think somebody among the Shiite leaders, the brothers in the courtroom, should come
forward, courageously and honestly and in public condemned this polemical writings of the past.
stated clearly, to us and to the followers as well, that said the Quran is the same and that they
accept what all Muslims accept as the source of Revelation and inspiration to Muslims. I'm certainly
waiting for that and I'm eager to hear that inshallah
		
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			clarification.
		
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			Thank you very much.
		
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			Thank you all for joining us today and hope to see you again next weekend.
		
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			So I will be triggered by certain awaken from Islam in focus.