Fiqh of Worship #15 – Importance of Prayer & Ruling of its Abandonment

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Okay, today inshallah we will begin Kitab boo Salah as we said before the amount of lipoedema divides the book of an arm the into quota. quota is the plural of GitHub GitHub means the book of web is the plural of Bab. Bab means chapter that means gate door but you know, it means chapter it's a door from ignorance, ignorance to knowledge or a gate from ignorance to knowledge. We said before the contraband web

the web are not necessarily

you know, sub books or they are not necessarily hundreds of books. So, it's not divided into books and every book is divided into chapters, it just that whenever a particular topic is long enough, he calls it keytab. And then when it is shorter to be called bap equals it Bab and when it is shorter, that it is not a bad in and of itself, but it is a sub topic, then he calls it fasting or a sub topic. So but it is not, it does not really follow any

sort of clear cut

classification. So we're talking about kita Salah here and Kitab Salah would have good tube Arab web under it would have, you know books in chapters 100. He started by talking he usually likes to start with the hobbies.

If you go back to the introduction, he said that he mentioned those hobbies to invoke their blessing and also for their authority or, you know, hood

so to invoke the blessings of the hubby's further authority, so he starts every chapter by or tries to start every chapter about hobbies. In this particular book, he started ketose allow the book of prayers. He started by this hadith which was reported by a Buddha would from pobeda hibben Asana radi Allahu Allahu semiotic Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam a Paul comes to Salawat in the summit reported that he heard the Prophet sallallahu Sallam Say

hi, I'm Sue Salawat in Quetta, Hoon Allahu Allah Allah Abadi philleo me en la isla.

There are five prayers that Allah has required of his slaves every day and night. There are five prayers that Allah has required of his slaves every day and night. From and half of Ali hiner. In Canada, when the law when a new federal judge,

whoever's he who diligently observes them, He who diligently diligently observes them, will have a covenant with a law that he would admit him into paradise.

Women love you half an hour Ali hiner. And he who does not diligently observe them

in America who are in the law, he will have no covenant with a law in South Africa, or in South Africa for Allah, if he wills he will torment him. And if he will, he will forgive him. This hobby was

considered sound by

now he among others.

So, we will come back to the implications of the meanings of those hobbies. But

it may not serve the dominant, the very hot this very Hadith that he started with, it may not serve the dominant hand buddy position, about the one who abandons the prayer out of laziness.

Because it does have some implications that go against the dominant hand very position that the one who abandons the prayer, out of laziness is Kapha in the sense of complete, you know, cough, like major

but that is certainly

tenses of the importance of the prior. And, you know,

we did talk about this when we remember when we were talking about when we address the the prayer from a different perspective from a different angle from from a more pesky angle before, who is they talk a lot about the importance of the prayers, but let's keep in mind that a Lost Planet Allah is the one who created you and the one who gave you the 24 hours that you have every day and the seven days that you have and that we is inviting you to speak with him to address him to invoke him to implore him to you know, have a conversation with him five

times every day, flexible times, you know, every day,

each one of the each prior will take you five minutes or less if you wanted us to do, it could take you more if you want to, like really give it you know that it's due, right. But it may give you a less if you just want to do the bare minimum, it may may may take you less than the five minutes. So the one who gave you the 24 hours that you have in your day, is inviting you five times to stand before him two to three minutes every time a total of 15 to 20 minutes, have your day, a total of 15 to 20 minutes per view or the 24 hours that he gave you.

He gave you the 24 hour, He created you and he gave you a 24 hours. And he's asking you to give him 20 minutes, not for him for you to basically

reinforce your relationship with Him and to water the tree of your face and to pull yourself out of this spinning machine of life. This spinning machine of life this pursuit of carnal pleasures and abundance that never ends that is basically destined to destroy your faith, destroy your relationship with Allah subhanaw taala if you do not pull yourself out of it, and reconnect with Allah subhanaw taala he is inviting you he's telling you don't do this to yourself. Don't destroy your spirit. Come and you know, stand before me and address me and come closer to me and renew your connection with me because you do need to renew your Eman you're in your faith your renew your

seller, your seller your connection that's where supply comes from, comes from seller comes from connection come under your New York connection with me five times a day a total of 15 to 20 minutes those who say no to this invitation

imagine what they deserve, they deserve that we will be talking about their you know all the talk that we will be discussing today is about those people that equals the one who abandons the prayer whether he abandons this out of defiance or out of the castle laziness

of out of town indifference but but but at any rate, the

these are really strange people and I do understand that people can can become too lazy, but it is really if you put things in perspective and if you think about it that a lot will created me as asking me to stand before him five times a total of 15 to 20 minutes out of the 24 hours he gave me on every day and and speak speak with Herman renew my connection with him in AI. I am saying no to that invitation. I am declining that invitation

that email in America hola said for Salatu Francois de Botton Allah Kula Muslim in in Berlin in Lahore.

Therefore, the five prayers are mandatory upon every adult sane Muslim, except for the menstruating woman or the woman having postpartum bleeding.

So, it you know, because because for them, unlike in the case in fasting, fasting is obligatory on them, but the performance of fasting at the time of their period is prohibited. So fasting is obligatory on them, but there is a barrier, there is a manner there is basically a hindrance to the between them and the performance of fasting. Once the hindrances removed, the obligation descends and then it becomes obligatory on them to make up for the fasting to make up for the fast thing but Salah is not obligatory on you. I'm sorry speaking about you and third meusburger Salah is not obligatory on you. Therefore when the hindrance is removed, you don't need to make a further Salah.

That's the difference between salah and fasting. You are not being addressed by Salah to begin with during this period, your address the vital car, but there is a hindrance once the hindrance is removed, that then the CRM becomes obligatory and you have to make it up. You have a year to make it up, you know until the next time a lot

but Salah is not obligatory on you to begin with. And that's a very peculiar

ruling

That there is an exemption here from the obligation, not just the performance, there is an exemption from the obligation. The reason why there is an exemption of the obligation is out of Allah's mercy that, you know, it is like six or seven days out of the month, five prayers every day, that's about 35 prayers, if you say it's like a week, you know, 35 prayers is a little bit of a hardship to obligate the makeup, or pa of 35 prayers after the period ends. But it is not that hard to make up for the seven days of fasting, and you have 11 months to make up for those seven days

that I wanted to point out one thing here that the Salawat are obligatory on every Muslim, there is no exemption basically, here, the 701 officer, no exemption for anyone, there is no exemption for the one who's sick unless you're in coma. And that is basically loss of intellect and then with loss of intellect, nothing is obligatory and on you, right? But if you are so sick, you know that that you can move any limb, any part of your body, you pray in your heart.

That's it and you have intent that this is required, this is you this is this, this is that, but you pray in your heart, if you cannot move any part of your body.

When he said from into hada, would you be holly jolly here already for valic we're into how the hell in album cover. whoever rejects his obligation out of ignorance should be educated about. If he rejects it out of stubbornness, he becomes a disbeliever.

If he rejects it out of stubbornness, he becomes a disbeliever. So, keep in mind, people who are new to Islam, they may be unaware of the obligation you need to teach them. But you also have to have the knowledge to teach them.

And you have to have the authority to establish the play against them. So for people who are new to as

they say, people who grew up in remote areas are completely unaware of the teachings of Islam and so on. They may not know

they may not know. So they must be educated about the obligation. There is there is no discussion about people who reject the obligation of the prayer that is a consensus that is more established than the sun in the middle of a summary of a there's like a complete complete consent. This is what consensus is about if you want to talk about consensus, this is a consensus that is beyond any doubt that the one who basically defies the obligation of the prayer

rejects the obligation of the prayer is a disbeliever given that he is not dead, but once the giant is removed once then you know ignorance is removed, then he is this believer.

And now keep in mind that that is Salah, as in Salah, not Salah as in your own vision of Salah. So you can tell me that salamin Stella has a connection and I have my connection and I do my I connect with Allah on my own terms and stuff like this. This talk here about the rejection of the prayers. It is not about the prayers in your dictionary. It's about the Muslims prayer that all the Muslims agree that this is the you know how people should be praying five times a day It has certain pillars you stand before a lie.

Okay,

then

Then what about the person who does not reject it, but fails to observe the prayers out of

carelessness? How old are you guys? Four out of

laziness and carelessness. They always put them together the castle and the Hound but they are really different. They're different, aren't they? You know someone who's callous someone who's indifferent.

Like who's, you know, versus somebody who is too lazy. And hopefully that there will be no Muslims who are indifferent, hopefully for the real Muslims who have faith in their heart.

It is about laziness. The reason why they do not pray is that they are just too lazy.

For those people who are too lazy, or the abandon the prayer out of laziness, the scholars disagreed over the ruling. We said if they rejected there or they're confirmed by consensus, but what if they abandon the prior

because they are just lazy.

Then you will have

the disagreement between the scholars. I would begin by the position of the method because the way we're trying to basically sorted out the method

for your learning and then I would mentioned the position of the majority. So the position of the mouth hub is not only a Hanbury position, to be honest with you, even the husband in our law says I had received reports from 17 companions and tabs in that the one who abandons the prayer is a Kaffir. The one who does not pray is a Kaffir. And he reported this from Omar Abdullah Massoud

and many others from the Sahaba and butterbean and said that this is the position of our beloved Mubarak is haka para Jolla, and Achmed. Even humble the alarm on home as mine is Hakuna La Jolla, when in fact, in fact, as far as reporting and consensus, and this is not a consensus that is reported by everyone once that or somebody, there isn't a consensus that is reported by is Hakuna La Jolla. I mean, I'm not belittling that in any way. I'm just saying but but as hakimullah as much

earlier scholars that have been among the so it this is a consensus that is hot Abner who is reporting that the one who abandons the prayer for any purpose just any reason abandons the prayer is a this believer in the true sense of the word of this believer or the true sense of the word Kapha. To that is a minority position, but the it is not a small minority position. So minority position because it is the position of the Hanbury method. It's the position of one out of four months I have, but there are some Maliki's who sided with the bodies of love and magic mushrooms sided with the hum berries. And there are some medic keys from another society with 100 berries. And

in fact, there is what hidden method is soft sided with the hunt berries, but the authorized predominant position in the three other mazahub is that this person commits a type of coffee that is not the major coffee it is the lesser coffee, not the greater physical philosopher method prefer luck, but

at the end of the day, it is worse than major sins because now every major sin may be called cough.

Not every major sin may be called Kafka, but Turku Sala is called cofra according to the format now they disagree whether it's greater or the lesser coffee but they all call it co Fran Why do they have to call it coffee because the profit called that coffee so they can say it's not good, but then they would disagree over what type of coffee it is, but but the profit call that coffee and it is enough that he called the coffee and it is enough that you know it's worse than major sins because not every major sin is may be called COVID. And it is enough to begin with that your Eman is subject of controversy. Like if for radical Salah for the one who does not pray, it is sufficient deterrent

for you A and to shame you into prayer that the scholars disagree over whether you're Muslim or not, you know, there is a bonafide you know disagreement among the scholars from the time of the Sahaba and

onwards

concerning your own face. You know, some of the scholars are saying that you should not be buried with the believers. He could be buried wherever you want, but not with the believers not in the cemeteries of the believers is the predominant position in the Hanbury mouth because they say you know that the person is martyred.

Okay, so

then, so when we say Hanbury, we're not just saying that it was only Mr. Mohamed Mohamed

like I said hosmer imported the this from 17 companions and tambien.

It is the position of the laburnum Barak it is the position of a soccer player, Hawaii, and many others

of the contemporaries of Lima met and people

Before the email mathema

three, three other Mazda, Mazda

when say it is the lesser golf

or coffee, cough, but all of them are saying it's the cough. And then somebody would say it is greater meaning the bonafide comforter that people should not be,

you know, washed or shrouded like Muslims or buried in the Muslim cemeteries, who are basically taken care of by Muslims.

Having said that, having said that, and I'll get into the discussion of the you know, why they disagree. But having said that, even in the Hanbury method, they say greater growth, but when do they deem the person

he is deemed the capper after he is brought before the judge

after the holidays, establish them, because they may know the obligation of prayer, but they may not know that it quite actually, according to this position, may abandonment makes you a Catholic. So they may not be aware of this. So according to this position, which is the stricter position, it is not walking around and calling people cafard. Because the abandoned the prayer, it is coordinates even to this trigger position is people who had been presented before the court that the Sheree shodai court, and the pre established against them, and they were asked,

and after this developer, they asked three pens for three days. They insisted on not praying. In some sense, they prefer that over praying.

And so this colors in this, these, on this side, they say it is inconceivable that someone will prefer this over praying and still have faith in their heart. So they call them

they call them Kufa and they do not basically wash them very vehement Muslim cemeteries and so on and so forth.

Now,

for the three months I have the call this the lesser.

Why did they disagree? they disagreed because there are, you know, statements reports from the Prophet sallallahu sallam. First of all, the prophet, the prophet SAW said, I've never put someone to death because they are not, they did not pray.

Yes.

So, for example, the amounts that say I will not marry this person to Pharaoh because he doesn't pray and I hold the position. They're being structured in traditional companies.

Right off the bat, I'm not conducting.

If they call the person a gaffer prior to this process, then that is a misrepresentation of the ham body position. But if they want to hold off contempt is that it is established that it is the right if they are somebody that would be expected of them

to hold off.

I personally do not recommend that they hold off and if they want to get married, then just get them married. According to the 300

should be fine.

Why did they disagree over well over this being greater or lesser.

There, there are many hobbies. So there is a piece of brighter for instance, that's the most common Hadith that is mentioned in this regard by Roger one coffee or sir taco salad is honey It was reported by Solon, Buddha, Buddha, intermediate and so on. Messiah and magic.

It is your work reported by certain from grinder that the Prophet sallallahu Sallam said been a gradual way will cook tacos Salah there is nothing between men and this belief except the abandonment of prayers except the abandonment of prayers. So, if you take the Hanbury position is hakuho expositions of the London bar exposition, that it is the greater Cofield say there is nothing between a man and this belief except the amendment prayer, he abandoned the prayers

He becomes a disbeliever.

But when the Prophet talks about the salon he is not talking about the connection he is talking about those five prayers that we perform every day.

So he says by not gradual cofra, Darko Salah between men and this belief is the abandonment of prayers then to this group,

it makes sense that the person becomes a disbeliever. Now that the three Meza have

Hanafi, Maliki and Shafi what what what, how would the answer that's how

they say that

there is nothing that is the barrier between him and cough. So once the barrier is removed, he can very easily fall into cough.

So that is basically what is keeping him from cough. Once the barrier is removed, you're standing on the edge of the cliff. And then you could tip into coffee easily.

Right? Yeah. All 11 year old, who enter coffee, it ends up leading you to coffee, it takes you to coffee to abandon the prayer. It brings you into cough. It does not result immediately in cough. But it leads you to cough. But you're not careful until you become calf.

And that is basically by rejecting What made you Muslim. So, Allah Allah, Allah, Allah Muhammad Rasul Allah

Okay, so recorded that my betrayal of the mouth, I do actually believe in the position of the majority.

It's a little betrayal here but but the position of the majority

in this regard is stronger. Because nothing removes removes you from faith except that which brought you into a rejection or denial of that which brought you into faith. You were brought into faith by saying that I had

the people who abandon the prayer out of laziness are continuously saying Laila, hello Allah. Muhammad Rasul Allah, they're actually even if you go sit with them, have the coffee shop in the worst place in Egypt and they and they're smoking, whatever they are smoking

as their they've never pray, or they have not prayed for the last 10 or 15 years. And you basically

poke Islam in any way that they'll just jump on you and

basically beat you up. They're just genuinely Muslim. They say like, I have a lot of power so law genuinely, with complete faith and not complete faith because complete faith would have made them pray. But with true faith, they do believe in that.

Now, but this is not the only Hadith the Prophet sallallahu Sallam also said this hadith of jabber.

This this also is

an important one la de la vida novellas Salah from Benin album Salah from antakya fatted calf laundry lovey vein and avena masala seven Taka, taka taka. So this hadith of jabber Allahu Allahu alayhi the covenant between us and the covenant that discerns us from them. That's what it means, the covenant to the discerns aspirins and who are them for far the disbelievers the covenant that discerns us from Venezuela, from Antarctica, Africa copper, so whoever abandoned said

he is he committed this belief he becomes a disbeliever

so the Prophet said this. So now the three variables saying that this is a coffee we cannot say it's not coffee because you just can't belie the property set corporate scope, but then they would say it is the lesson

and then they will

what why will they say it's the lesser of all of those hobbies imply coffee but they are not decisive that it is the greater coffee that removes you from face completely because if the hobbies said

That he will be eternally in the Hellfire, then we would have been explicit on this being in a greater coffer, but he's talked about COVID. And there are other hobbies, that talk about cough, concerning things that are not major cough. So, there is the room for the three other mazahub to interpret those ahaadeeth to mean it is the lesser cofra not the greater curve. There is one report from our blindness FP. However, that is most troublesome for people who hold the position that it isn't the lesser cofra amount, the greater curve. And I find this to be the strongest proof for the group of scholars and say it's the greater COVID not the lesser of proper largeness, a peep said,

that cannot savasana Salah

Taku COVID illa Allah, the the the companions of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam never regarded the abandonment of any deed as a, as an act of cough, except the abandonment of Salah. Now, it you could certainly say this is abandonment out of Jehovah's abandonment, out of denial, Heart of rejection. But what if you abandon fasting out of rejection? Doesn't that make you a capital also? So why would our beloved Shafiq sing aloud the prayers and the sense

is that it It means that the abandoned abandonment of the prayers is different from the abandonment of fasting. Because the Sahaba discern between them, the Sahaba did not treat them the same way. They consider the abandonment of the prayer to be close. But the but they did not consider the abandonment of fasting to be called, although abandonment out of denial or rejection of both must be cooked. Well, if you didn't already fasting, you deny the added salted butter, I can see a chemical divider with the animal public. Why have you denied this? Isn't that isn't that coffee? It's good? I find that no good answer to this by the way, there is no good answer, except to say that this is the

understanding of the law of nature.

Or the Sahaba he met, but

you know, you get yourself in more trouble if you challenge the Sahaba of human Yes.

Yes, there's also a version that mentions that ship is amended he mentioned ship instead of booklet and they all considered ship. A major not a minor.

So

that he mentioned that. Yes.

Yes. So that could be there could be sarcasm.

So can we say that lesson? Sure. Rather than killing could be what is debated because I know we were considered in Catholic but we wouldn't kill it

hanifa would not consider him capital the greater cofrin he will consider in capital the lesser of they don't disagree over the one who denies it. The one who denies it is by consensus a greater the greater of they disagree the controversies about the one who fails to perform the prayers out of laziness. What is his ruling

canopies? No.

I am coming to this I'm coming to the ruling. But But then, okay. So what makes me side with the majority hip I have this discomfort, you know reinterpreting the statement about the loudness appeal. It is troublesome and we will continue to be troublesome for people that do not believe in the greater of the one who abandons the fray.

But this very hot diesel format of the summit is should be troublesome for the for our Hanbury position also. Because this hobbies, look at the end of the hobbyist.

He who does not diligently observe them would have no covenant with Allah, if he will, he will torment him and if he will, he will forgive him. So, the one who does not pray is subject to forgiveness, the capital is not

is not a candidate for forgiveness, the one who does not pray as a candidate for forgiveness. How did the embeddings get out of this they say half us is different from pray, half is diligently observed. If he does not diligently observe the prayers, it does not mean that he did not pray it just meant that he was not really

very

adherent to the prayers and the timings and and all of that stuff and did not do the proper way establish them in the proper way and so on and so forth.

You will find

That the but at the end of the day, the prophets of Salaam talks about two categories. And it is it could be used by the majority. Still that that he sorted out two categories one category that prays and the other category should be the category that did not prey.

The minority. They say as an asthma reported that one who fails to observe one prayer intently until the time came out is considered mortality. So, he fails, you know, he, he has slotless and he sits down and intentionally failure he has the ability to pray for the intention he sits down and does not pray until Margaret comes in.

That is mortar according to this position.

The other one is the other one that the halifa you remember how the inertia beside the coudray about the fat reported by Muslim and others where

Allah subhanaw taala fell in love with an alcohol

nasaan lamea metal higher and caught people who have never saw las panatela grabs a handful or two handfuls out of the Hellfire removes them from the Hellfire

people who have never done any good in their lives. It means people that have faith that they have that Allah Allah but they have never done any good in their lives. And these people will be removed by the shutdown of whom

Allah himself after the you know the momineen and everyone get get up to maintenance with our intercede and everybody gets removed from Paradise Allah will take out

you know, I'm sorry, other than fire Allah will take out of that fire ahead for two handfuls of people who have never done any good. Now, people who have never done any good are people who have not prayed because the Salah is good, is quiet. So people who have never done any good things people who have never pray.

Also never prayed. But how did Betty's answer this Hadith,

they could say that they have not known about the obligation of prayer they have not gotten a chance to pray because they became Muslim right before the prayer said later in the law. And then they died or something of that nature and they did not get to pray for the booklet again the implication of the Hadith, the apparent implication of the Hadees that these are people who had the chance to do good, but did not do good, including

the prayers, the bottom line and also is that Islam, you know people enter this you know religion, by

their their genuine belief and also other ends of that and I have a lot more general belief in and others of the statement of faith, the kalama shadow Allah Allah Allah Allah, Allah Allah Muhammad Rasul Allah, people who are continuously acknowledging that kalama in their heart on their tongue, will continue to be Muslim until something removes them from that, well, let's say someone basically

curses Allah well that removes you from that out of the powers of law, someone prostrates to an idol intentionally knowing the you know how to worship the idol that removes you from Lana lavandula it clearly removes you, but something that does not remove remove you from the explicit implications of La ilaha illAllah Muhammad Rasul Allah will not remove you from Islam.

Okay, and that is

what's in the method and the method as well. That's not the dominant view in the meth lab. But that is a view in the belly method as well. So there is a view in the hamburger menu that agrees with the view of the majority, that one who abandons the prayer out of laziness is not caffeine in the sense of greater coffee or absolute cough, but he committed an act of disbelief we're worse than major sins

and

and certainly is is in danger.

All of them say that is a danger and that is abandoned or the gray band

into the prayers may lead him into major cough.

Then he said what I Hello, hello and welcome to Juba enlightenment Raja Maha moussaka in bizarre Thea it is not permissible to defer beyond its mandated time, except for one more intense to combine it that is to combine it with the following prayer if

it is combinable. So, what is combinable? Though, and magnet only, those are the two that you could defer until the time is out, because you could combine those with us and you could combine Maghreb with Russia, and because of the big disagreement between the scholars about the conditions for combining even if you don't have an execute the combine and you just combine they will not call this this belief.

So, that is why talk about us, you let us run out of time have asked to run out

this group of scholars who believe it's the greater this belief, well consider you are more

okay.

So, limit

our mustard and besar except for one is the one who is has an excuse to let the time of the prayer go out is one who wants to combine it with the next prayer or one who is working to fulfill its conditions, he woke up and he is in a state of Geneva. So, he runs to the bathroom to have a verse or two he woke up and he does not have will do he just remember that he did not pray Australian time, the time for makeup is approaching and he has only two seconds the Maghreb and he does not have to do he runs and fulfills that prerequisite, that sharp sharp So, that basically prerequisite of validity of the prayer, he needs to pray, he needs the prayer to be valid part of the validity is

the prerequisites. So, he makes sure that there is no an agenda and that he has will do and so on and so forth, this person will be forgiven, this person will be forgiven for living the time come out

fine Takahata how often and then we will come to you know, the,

the tough one for interactive data how on behalf at Bethel as an intern Tableau are elaborated. So if he if he abandons it out of carelessness, he must be asked three times three times for it.

Or over three days, three times for it. If he does not, he must be killed.

Okay.

Now, this is the position of not only the honeyberries they've been to other mazahub will join in, you know, to other mvac, who said that he's not cafard will join the family in this punishment, which is a capital punishment that they consider the abandonment of prayer to be a capital punishment, a capital, offense, capital crime. Remember, the Shara rulings are all about your relationship with Allah subhanaw taala. So things that may not be considered an issue in secular court and secular court, they are issuing a shout out in court because it is about your relationship with ally it's a different paradigm completely different paradigm. So they consider this to be a

capital offense. Yeah, he even the hand buddies who consider this to be an act of code, how do you get out of this punishment of this

person pray now even easier,

tell them to pray at home.

So what does that mean?

It means that they are the tearing, open defiance,

open rebellion against the loss of Parliament and his rulings. That's what they're trying to determine. But you simply say to them operate. Okay. Go ahead, go pray. And they will believe you that your prayers and they will not come with you home to actually

verify that you pray, they'll just let you go. So these things are extremely important for us to understand because if you don't understand these nuances or these little details, you will have a skewed understanding of the religion

like

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history where someone was dead. They said, No, I'm not remembering either. And so there was an excellent historical accounts, you know, the one who was good at historical accounts of these things is Dr. Jonathan Brown. I don't really keep track of the historical accounts of punishments and so on, but he's good.

But within the Eros, certainly during the time of the prophet SAW, Selim, it would not be a historical account, it would be part of the shediac. So there is none during the time of the Prophet sallallahu sallam, but afterwards historical accounts, and, you know, history, of course, and so on. And Dr. Brown does a good job of this.

Going back to going back to this issue, is this piece of information important for us to know, in, particularly when we discuss this issue, particularly when people talk to you about this issue? He This is a very vital piece of information to know, because it will change your Outlook, your perspective completely, it will change your understanding of this punishment. So why are they inflicting this punishment? This is really,

it's not about Inquisition, it is not about locking you up in the basement of a mustard, like the Inquisition, you remember the Inquisition, and basically forcing you to confess the wrongdoing so that you could be executed. That was the what the Inquisition was about. It is basically forcing you to committing to run Doom so that you may be executed here, you are not brought to the basement of the master, but you are brought to like a square, or like a place where there is a court and the judge and so on. And the judge tells you, you know, like, what are you doing? Like, why are you afraid? Are you simply for the judges? Well, just let me go home and pray at home. And then the

judge lets you go home, so that you don't open the rebel against the shadow of Allah or defy the shadow of Allah. Now this is the position of the Maliki Safra is a combat is the Hanafi said no, you get locked up until you pray. You don't forget, there is no capital punishment for the abandonment of prayer. According to the Hanafi position, you get locked up until you actually pray.

If you need to discuss issues of Hadoop that legal punishments and shodai rulings and try the you know, the Sharia court system and so on with people who come from a completely different paradigm, Westerners who come from a completely different paradigm, even Muslims, who are Western are and who, you know, may have this comfort,

who, you know, aversion, whatever they have in their hearts, to these rulings, and they don't really understand

the the breadth of these rulings and the the, the foundation, the rationale of these rulings, one of the things that I want you to do first, you know, justification, you could start me to talk about comparison and comparison helps helps a great deal. You know, so in the Bible, the person who gathers things on the Sabbath, gets stoned to death and gathering stick sticks on the Sabbath.

It is a capital punishment, and it weren't stoning to death. And this has been executed throughout the history until basically until basically the fourth century.

AD, when they were when it was not doable anymore, because they lost. There were no shiny cores for them. They were subjects to other nations, you know, the Romans, this and that. So they decided that since there are no Shara your biblical courts, that these punishments will not be applicable anymore. That is what Muslims say that these punishments are limited to the courts. They are not applicable outside of that realm.

But comparison is helpful. justification rational justification is helpful. But at the end of the day, when they talk to you about contemporary implementation, contemporary implementation, what are you guys going to do about this? Now, in your countries, I just want you to be humble enough to not usurp the right of most Muslim legislators all over the Muslim countries, Muslim scholars and our Muslim,

Muslim judges, none of your business. You just get out of it. None of your business. You don't have the capacity to discuss those issues. Who are you?

Leave this don't usurp the right of not by negation or affirmation. So not by saying yeah, we will do everything you know,

everything will be done and so on and all of those punishments will be implemented, it is the none of your business or go to the, the the other extreme and say, no, this stuff is not applicable anymore. And they, you know, we should not be doing this, or even some of the Muslims can come on TV and say, much worse things and make much worse statements. None of you who are you, even if you are a scholar, even if you are a professor of law, whatever you are, none of you, you are too insignificant. You are just like a piece of dust you You're nothing you

really just just know you know your value, but be humble enough to know who you are.

Please be humble enough, please don't have certainty when you where you should not have certainty. Please don't have the hastiness of youth. I tend to believe that sometimes youth for being young is an intellectual disability.

Forgive me, I'm sorry.

Never know. But Forgive me, I know that this is like inflammatory. But, but but Forgive me.

Because there is so much he had to learn and to experience and to understand and to digest and absorb even information that you possess. There is so much he had to digest them that you will, over time, you will change your views. What does it mean that the management changed his views a times regarding one issue Whoa. And he used to change his views all the time. It means that over time, people actually ponder over what they have learned, the learn more and the ponder over what they have learned. And the acquire more experience, more insight into the very information that they may have learned when they are 15. processing of this information requires more wisdom, more experience,

more insight.

Yes, the profit center of sama and Mohammed Java, and they said that they were young and none of the hood effect was less than 50 when they became a halifa. All of those people who are working under the directions, all of those us who was sent here and there they were working on the directorship, or the direction of someone who was much older, any of the hurry first became a hurry for when he was 50. Less than 50. No, no, in fact, it was a factor when they decided between Ariana Hoffmann Osmonds age was a factor in favor of osmin.

So

forgive me, I do not mean to be insulted.

But what I'm trying to tell you is just wait a little bit, you know, give yourself time. Don't be hasty experience, more wisdom more insight will allow you to develop the basically the faculties

to process those information in a much better way for the time being. And keep in mind if you're 60 years old and you're a scholar and Professor of Law, defer to the Muslim MFIs wherever they are defer to the Muslim legislators wherever they are. The for too high and fat will tell the people I am not the one who's in charge of this. There are you know hackable automatic here much mahabharatha Islamia, much more alpha t this and that difference is that someone who doesn't have not only the knowledge, but the authority because people don't have the authority and endowed with making those decisions, they will study that much better than you and they will study they will study all of the

sort of surrounding circumstances has their judgment will be better than you. So the people who are in

let's say Pakistan or Morocco, the Mufti is in Pakistan or Morocco, where they will be presented with all the you know,

the the circumstances the different forces that affected their footwear, and they have more knowledge than you and they do do this collectively as a board or accountant said or so on the first of them. And don't use syrup that right. It is not your right protocol.

Hello, everybody. It's Michael O'Hanlon events.