Dont Be So Sectist

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Shaykh Hasan giving a lecture at Leeds University on the issue of divisions within the Muslim word today and how we can overcome these problems.

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Bismillah

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Bismillah

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Allahu Akbar

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his master's in educational psychology from the Institute of Education in the University of London,

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in London Psychological Society in North London, where he

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currently still running

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1000 to 2003. He was the head of Islamic studies of Arabic in one of these Islamic colleges and

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he teaches philosophy, religion,

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sociological and Islamic history at the Grameen college, which many of us

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are in fact working for this focuses on real issues concerning Muslims or non Muslims alike and desirous of positive change in the lives of people. Electricity, universities, colleges and scientists throughout the world. So these include Belgium, Poland, Trinidad and Tobago in the UAE.

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force

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on your GED

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Yeah.

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How's

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it

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Good

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morning.

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You go.

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Yo,

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yo, yo,

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yo, yo,

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yo,

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movie.

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One Oh,

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Okay, so usually during the talk, we have a question answer type thing. So if you just type them if you have any questions

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at the end of the talk.

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So now I want to

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the brothers and sisters come home this evening to sacrifice the time to sit

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while we have, because I know that

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young people, but

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one thing is, if you could please hold your phones on silent as one, and I don't want anyone texting you.

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If you're going to look at

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something, you just go to me, if that's why you're texting him, if someone's out in you that you need to see, then you do that. Otherwise, while I'm talking about actually appreciate

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it.

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If you need to take some questions, that's fine.

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Text my question, the questions are just a question to this,

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just by popping a format, text, I'm actually standing here right now

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already.

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So it's

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got the attention that I need, then I can actually interact with you a lot better. And actually see a lot more

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commonly when someone's sitting there not paying attention.

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I don't mind you need to go outside and do whatever they need while you're sitting.

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Okay, so this is about the actual topic itself.

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The topic is a is a very interesting one. And interesting for several reasons. And what I don't want to just do is just go on back

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about the psyche that's behind us behind making the choices that we're making, before we get to these groups. Because

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it's really important to see our own bias, or prejudice, if you have any, if there's anyone sitting here.

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Thank you. So you're generally from the university culture, that understand what I'm talking about. Everyone has a bias, everyone has prejudice. And don't tell me that in religion, you don't have bias. Don't tell me that in religion, you don't come with something of a pre motion, religion.

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Whether you are born Muslim, or whether you're up you're you became a practicing Muslim.

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Or you became a new Muslim or whatever it is, that you come if you're sitting here and you're in the religion, then you have have certain channels that have given you your emotions and your thoughts. You can't deny that everything I'm going to say to

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each other being in love, I will be totally every single individual.

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Because these facts nobody wants to talk about

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what everyone wants to talk about is whether I am part of the Salafi movement, Sufi movement, this movement, that movement is

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what people don't want to talk about is what actually sort of blocking

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what actually people don't want. What made them make that move to that particular group. Now, let's talk in the general sense, what makes you actually a person who support so let's say that we've got a

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lot of you support maybe no, Leeds United and Manchester.

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So they might see what it is right.

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Now, it's funny because you pull down cells that are supporting Liverpool, and they're probably never been to before. And we've got people that are most supporting Arsenal, and so on.

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But then they've been there but they've actually not really, you know, on their plate there. So when you start thinking what made them from supporters? What made them supporters? You go back and you'll see that the state and not how do you introduce them to the city, it wasn't accurate. No one actually sat there until if any of you guys wanna support football tournaments, have you ever sat down and started to watch leads how they play the man have a awesome, have a great and look at the next one. And you then take that four, five or the 10 of the biggest leagues out there. And you studied and you studied a striker you said the midfield we say the defenders, you look at the

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coaches, you look at the managers, you look at the money, the

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ethics, you know, the morals and the ethics of natural gravity. So tell me which football supporter here has actually done proper study on 10 different teams, I said, You know what, because of this reason, I'm actually following manganite, because they've got a lot of the best things that you can actually think of guys.

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No one as far as I know that. So like, Matthew, Matthew,

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is

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my house when I grew up, my dad probably supported, sometimes the dad supportive, and then they don't like the dad, support the opposite team.

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There's always, there's always a reason why people make these moves. Sometimes it's friends, sometimes it's growing up, I'm just giving you a random thing, a sister who's actually making her you know, making a stance or gender thing, like, for example, the studies that you're studying, why are you Why are you here? Why are you studying what made you come here, I mean, there are a lot of very behind that, that actually making any choices. So when it comes to religion, most people think that the biggest mistake I think most people make is that they think something's in that Islam is one thing, you should stay one, there's only one place in standards that can be right and everything

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else is wrong. And therefore, if you don't get a one to one group one piece, if you're not in that, then you've actually missed out the whole of the era that you want, and so on.

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Now, I am saying something that is really important to your lives here. And you have made a choice in your life to be who you are right now.

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But if you think about it,

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the Islam, the sect that you've chosen, and you become part of there are reasons why you've come to that. There are reasons just like football, you like certain things that are pushed in that direction, even thinking about it the same way you've been pushed. So most people who I know,

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because of their family background, that's why that's what makes them who they are. Most people because of their friends background, so it wasn't family that have first influence on them. It's normally University, you get together with some friends.

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And then you start questioning your beliefs before your friends. Some others is because you pulled them into the dean who made them practicing. But now tell me there's one more step behind this. That you don't need a degree in psychology.

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You got a subconscious mind and you won't say anything inside which you don't question is the patterns of thinking, this trust, this trust behind you adapting or taking in all the information? So for example, if you like someone, if you trust them, if you believe in them, that's the basis for you to accept what they're going to say. Am I am I say something correct or incorrect? Correct and revise.

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lectures in the university today? You probably thinking how

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to say no, take one group's name. And

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the pattern behind that is trust. Can anyone tell me what's behind that trust?

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You've got the

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experience.

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The more common law, that trust

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the most

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people actually need,

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the more thing they find common between them. The more of a friendly nature, the contract, the more things they find different to them, the more they're going to sort of not really like each other.

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And they're very hard to service. So the more common thing you find you making these, you're making out hope believes now you sectarianism whatever it is, is based on the trust the trust is based on the commonalities that we have between these people. This is something else, which is which is that you once you've gone

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Through that barrier of trust, you are totally inexperienced.

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Like I said, right, there's no guy who goes into football, who watches 10 different leaves, and then decides which one to choose, no one does that you just get into it. It's so easy to just get into it is for supporting manual or manual one this year that winning the quarter cup that got this car back up north. So what people are looking for, and I want to state this there, people are looking for

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them being important.

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That's what people are looking for. That's what creates the sectarianism. Because when one sector is there, and another set is there, because of the background you've chosen, you want to become important, you have to become important. You've got to be right. I don't know it's stupid. I don't know done, I made the wrong choice. And if I have a cookie shape, that's fine. But the longer I stay in there, the more difficult is to make the shift. Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes or no. So you you, you find that you now have entered some like inexperienced, and whatever those guys told you, with anything, you take it, you go through the cycle of what the child goes through. Now, there's two parts.

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There's three, the three types of people, there's one type of people, you give them, you tell them something, we've given no evidence, they will believe

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that you are a certain type of people, you tell them something you give them the

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number three, is, you give them you tell them something, and you give them the evidence, but it's

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so this is the first one is the young child, a child never says to you, what do

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you say to a child? This is not my say,

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Daddy, what you need for this is not gonna say that he he's gonna copy, in fact, without even asking him to do he just fully believe is based on evidence. So he won't ask you for for evidence. Any child that the child is they're naive, and he's got trust, and he's got trust to the 100% level, whatever you say he's taking in until he gets to a certain age, he will stop them thinking for himself. And then you asked for the evidence. So when you give them the evidence is the second time you give them the evidence, then accepted, you don't need evidence as a teenager, that you're you know,

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in his 20s, or late 20s, they're asked for the evidence before they except for you. And the third, the one that you give evidence, and they still don't accept it is your only

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church,

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in the community or the community, whatever it is, and you give them evidence, and they still don't accept it, because they're just that age, difficult to deal with. But what was it is that when you came to the dean, can you please go back, rewind yourself when you became practicing, or when you started to follow the middle, find out where you are in the religion, there's one thing that definitely must have happened that you must have started to question so that someone must have given you certain values and certain evidence is to say, look, not the set that you're from, that is actually the most, that is actually the best set in comparison to all this because of these reasons.

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Bla bla bla bla bla bla, yep. If it hasn't happened yet, you're going to some point in your life.

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And you will go through that door. Now the next thing is,

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I want to talk about the finance behind how do you know that people are the person that told you how much you can trust yourself? And how authentic it is? How do you know how well studied verse they are?

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Has anyone asked the question, but you don't have to then go to the child syndrome. Again, the child syndrome is you have to go one step back, you have to state your initial reaction. If somebody says to you, you know, he's a friend, you like him, you share commonalities with him, you trust him. So he then tells you that, look, this is how we practice it. Don't listen to these other.

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This is what you do. At the end, we'll come to you and tell you this, you just tell him that you tell him that because he's your friend, you always come down to there, you trust him with everything else.

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But then you don't just have the tribalism question. I mean, initially, no one does this. But after a while, you will then start to start investigating yourself about now. Okay, let's look at the differences. But what's happened is you have without a shadow of a doubt, you've been poisoned with not pro bias, natural prejudice. The moment you go through this, this whole line that I've just talked about, you won't regret it.

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runners now, you already we need, you're gonna always think from within, you never gonna think from outside looking in, you're always gonna look inside to the outside world. So this is your home. Now this set whatever you belong to, this is it, this is the truth. So when you look at your own truth and you feel is my own truth, you can see few mistakes.

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When you feel when you feel that

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you're part of it, and this is your role, you can't see many mistakes, you can't see many things wrong with that. You can see the other mistake very easily.

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And it's all based on the pre notions that people gave you to the person who told you about the sector. Is there anyone here who disagrees with me, Brianna.

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Now, I think he's wrong, different segments.

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I've got the bias, bias, our prejudice.

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And we're all in our homes, my son's Home sweet home.

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So what should make me move from my place to yours? What's going to make me start to say, let me question my house Villa question my inside of my place.

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Now, let me tell you before, I think you might be thinking, Okay, I'm sitting here talking about all this to you on this evening. What about

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I want to a lot, and I'm still going through a lot. And life's always about learning. I believe, I believe at this moment, oh, I've always believed there's a point when I when I knew that I needed to make shifts to get to the middle.

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But at this moment in life, I do believe that if I'm not right back on where the middle is, I'm somewhat very close to the middle. I'm not very far.

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That's my belief right now. And I'm going to tell you, my days and what I went through.

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And I want you to reflect on those as well. When you walk away from here tonight Tonight, what I want you to do is I want you to question I want you to commonly to question the thinking, your friends, your associates, your parents, your culture, your background, your ethnic background, the people of university, the people who you hang around, I want you to

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think,

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my original sin that I was born in a Muslim family, okay. And I come from primarily, I come from that Debian background.

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I don't know what that is. But that doesn't matter. But I grew up and I've actually gone through, I've actually gone through enough, you know, when you know your computer gets a virus,

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and you have to get a scan done. You have to get anti virus software, and you have to start putting it into the machine and get that virus out. Sometimes you have to clean the computer, and then restart again. Yes.

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I'd like to do that with my religious knowledge, two or three times over.

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What I've had to do that, because when I was young, when I grew up my house, my mother told me so many good things, like so many good things, and all that in as their religion.

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And then what happened is,

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I remember, my father told me about religion, I took the old, my mother, my father, they both made up my religion. And then of course, the society I was living in. I was in a town called Walsall. And wherever I heard there from the different mosques I went to, I made up my mind of what it is. And I was given all of this. This is what I was given. I hadn't really thought much about wanting us to think

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wanting certain things to make me think we had a we came from a certain mastery

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right across the road as a brilliant master.

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And I used to go to the muscle, my dad and these days to be these upstanding elderly because they used to go to the mosque to the brand new one. Now we used to all walk he's the governor's house from wherever it was I used to my husband goes to the appointment Nice to meet almost every salon

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almost every day. So when I go Okay, so did you go to

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the good handshake

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and just say some of them and then tomorrow

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either walk all the way down the streets until we got to literally This is see what just look at the level one row only got this mosque here and but that must be they go that must be this must be both pray. And we both come up. And as we're walking into a salon never you never see them they've never worked in my

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business for years.

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span five, six years

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What is this?

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They meet each other, they sell our future. But they don't cross each other. They don't go to each other's mosques. So when he's you know, my father's from the other.

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You know, we don't even practice on the practice. Okay. Now, the first earrings that I went through this virus check.

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And that was not very far away from me. I was there for about four years.

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When I went there, I have to go and say, okay, everything I've learned, I have to actually start checking it. Now there's a lot of things that came up that were faulty. These are things you shouldn't believe in decision having these these practice you have this way you shouldn't pray will bypass. Four years later, I will do not know whether it was my gifts

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from Oldham.

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So you might have noticed

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I spent four good years with the knees in his

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presence and serving.

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And what I noticed is that I have to go to another race. Because now he the knowledge that he was giving was just absolutely perfect. Like he would go to the sources assignments. Mr. Chef, I believe in this and I know this activity, can you check myself I can check you can check. And he went through the whole process every day spend about two hours within one hour, two hours.

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And I went through all of that. So that was the second place.

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Then, of course you still don't say to me, Well, these are all

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commodities. You're absolutely right. And I came out. But I came to London, I remember the place where I became the man.

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I came there and straight away. I had big issues with these guys. Big Issue.

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Massive issues. I couldn't believe first time seeing people without being spoken by Islam.

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Religion, that

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the guy's got his trousers beneath his ankle, lecturing based on

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the change in life. And these guys are talking about politics. And their, you know, university isop students who've come to the masjid and they've got the cameras and the political talks and so on. So I clashed with myself. This is God, you don't know your fick. You don't know your you know, Moodle properly. You talk about running a country or a political thing. And we just crashed. And we had a refresh.

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Good experience, because what he was doing is shaping my thoughts.

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Coming back to the

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start started doing this while I was

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there saying this. So he was saying, What about this? Whoa.

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Thank you. So we're back. With those articles. I came back.

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I said when you think something is nice.

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That's good. So I kept on going or what I'm actually doing is I'm actually cutting off.

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And you know, the excess is shifting suddenly towards the middle. Because what I'm doing is I'm now looking at and thinking you know what point how can we don't have political, local politics in our studies, we don't make it a major part of our studies. What's the point of having all this knowledge if you don't actually put it into practice? I'm starting to question myself. Right. Then I came across another group this this group was moved to this country standing socialists.

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Oh, my God, I have my trash these protocols with this.

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Give me the

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right. anchoring was shaping me again, because now I was getting the static socialist that I was a political This was socialist. And then I came across you know, brothers

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Sophie's Oh my god, the debates we had another time that she had been his book

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was translated, and it was fresh off the shelves. So you can imagine that you guys are getting the 20 years later report, you've got it fresh enough, they said that he they went around and they said, you know, they will accept your praise wrong.

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The way you pray that you're brave accepted.

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That's what they did to university. So

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my Father's world My mother's wrong, my whole ancestors are wrong, you know, mine, you know, and they went home to start debating with their to their parents.

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Mom, you're

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on your left side. And then the other obviously the other side is starting their freshman bubble. And they say no, no, no, no, we hannity mothers, okay, but

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we

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don't need to have.

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It's going on. And this was fresh into the hot. Yeah. And I was in the thick of it. But obviously, I'm unhappy. And, you know, ranting along, you guys messed up the way you're thinking and so on. So it is interesting, but why he did his ultimate meal shaping again, because I'm coming through concentration, which is actually questioning my thinking, my background, whatever I'm, I am I was. And I'm slowly starting to shift,

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then I start to question.

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And these are the questions that I'm asking you to stop. And look, most of the sisters here, you're up to, again, know honestly, with all due respect yourselves, you haven't gone through the nine years of modern systems like myself, so you haven't got the very basics.

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Okay, the actual source says the sounds are based on translation and all that kind of stuff. But what I do want to say to you is the least you can do is and this is what I started to realize is that I started to see polemics. I start to look at my data when the background look at the red one, look at the sushi 171. And look at this one, that one, I start to see no, this polemics. There's a whole history of history, start looking at what is not like, for example, how many of you have heard about multi

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modal, so I started

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looking at the start looking at their books, as

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you know, some are really going down. I started looking at no Jones's books and books and books and so on. So from electronic devices, books and going through seeing, okay, what do we actually say? Let me go to the sources. So I've gone through a few, Master all of this not just gone through seven, which are some of the big names that you've got in all the different groups. And then I'm surprised to see how bias, each one is looking not just myself, what biases we add bias. We have prejudice, they have tragedies, they have bias. So for example, advice in the middle of Afghanistan,

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Afghanistan, right now in Afghanistan, northwest of Pakistan,

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to start a new customer service,

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center.

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Okay, so why am I

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seeing this article? I wrote this, what made you write this? So you see, these are the same stuff. Now, you got to think what was it five centuries ago, in Afghanistan? Today? Even you can't get the girls to go to school in Afghanistan? It's very difficult. Yes, yes.

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But five centuries ago, you can say it's almost impossible to have any women in any of the stage stages, also controlling us on government affairs or anything else that comes to leaders and so on. So what he's seeing here now is they keep their women pretty much this is you can almost imagine that even before we start, there must have probably said no, a woman has no say in the society and what the government affairs of the society. So when Stan came to Hobbes came to

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100 it came for example, which was that a woman

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her best place to pray is the house. Another Hadith came that if you want to ask your wife asks you to go to the mosque, do not prevent her from going to the mosque. Both

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Well, what do you think the

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converse?

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Yes. So which one is the preference?

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Sorry,

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the one that tells her that stay home

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and in India, many parts of India

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And when you start looking literature now, this one is saying, well, this is it. This is why you won't even mention your enemies. This is what we believe in, and the other one second.

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And they've got that they're both holding on to

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anything.

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Well, what is really going on here? Why would the Prophet do that?

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And if you could

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show you that the bias behind is now making them prejudge the Hardys and the IRS and how things work, and so on. Okay.

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Let me give you another example.

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If you were born, in the middle of our lesson, you went to Medina University and you studied came up. And if you go to, let's say, for example, to

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study, and you came up,

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have you learned to ask you have you have you seen people come up in two different ends? I've never met one guy

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from the east. Yes, we

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do compare.

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They're actually talking about what they started made up of. And they've started their shoe and so on, they've got precious, they have to buy down to. So what I started to see them is I thought, well, if we flow buyers, that's not going to work. Within this bias, we must have certain scholars. And I started to check up on this. And I found that in every single population, there are moderate scholars, every population, you got more moderate, moderate Sufi motorcycles. So I was pretty interested in this

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new this new thing. And you know, what happens is that the ones are moderate, they are well researched, their voice is not heard. And, you know, once

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in a while, it's not heard.

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Because they are in the minority. And you're in the minority, because they've got the head screwed on, right?

00:37:17--> 00:37:20

young people who's got the head screwed on right and the minority.

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Guys, if you got your head screwed on, right, you must demand you know why? Because most people follow the popular.

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If you look in any stats, any stats,

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you will see that the whole division of the of the classes is based on let's say any, any group or any population of people, unless they take their exams, right, you're gonna find the a star students unified by the assessments at the top of 5%.

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A students are from a 10%. So that's not the 85. Yeah, the B students are about 15% to 70%, the CS students are about 20%, to about 20 to 25%. So now we're down to about 45% or so a 14 year old math, and then your D students that are making another 20%. And then the last 20%, or something right at the bottom of 15% are your ease and your F's and your use of one of us. Right? So now what you're looking at is that if you actually say popular, what is popular popular is from the bottom, all the way in compassing, encompassing see,

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as popular. So what I'm trying to say to you here is that 70% of people will follow the popular will follow the norm will not switch on their thinking caps on to try and question all of this 70% of people will not be in the 30% of people who do it. The 30% of doing another 15% who are in between sometimes they do sometimes, you know, you've only got about 10% of humans, who will actually start saying I'm going to be there, I want to I want to take a different approach to all of this in the minority as in the minority. So why is this in the tabloids or the tablets and the cell phone? Wherever the 1000s of the women broadsheet papers are a few I'm sure you guys are struggling with

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this, but applied to religion? Come on, guys. Don't just leave it in your studies of that. I want you to apply that to religion. And I want you to them question say, I'm going to either one of us will go through this approach. How many of us have got that impetus have got the potential to actually switch on their thinking and say, Wait, let me actually go and see what

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others say. Well, let me actually start finding that middle glow in the middle. Because certainly starting from stopping by we asked me in present day. That's what

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you asked the district

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I'm not asking for a path. But there's a savvy savvy now recognizes the power and the Salah. So often the middle middle path, middle part of the path of the middle path. So when when you basically go to the diner, you'll see that a lot of that he said he said

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last Sunday last.

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He said that this Muslim that has done this, he has deviated from the middle path of the path and middle of the path.

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He didn't say he's completely gone off, he just needed from below. Now, guys, the question now is, look, I haven't I haven't gone into any of them. Most of you are, you know, from some background or another? What I want to say to you is that what you find with the polemics, okay, give anything, I can guarantee you have two sides to this side of the spectrum, and that's fine your spectrum, you've got the middle here. Now, for example, you're going to get an MSA if that's the middle here. If that's, I'm going to go with your right here. So you're right on this way. So let's say this is Salafi, right, and your left is going this way. So this is Sufi, right

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at 10% on this side, right on this side and a 10% on this side. They will never ever, ever leave their car, they will never ever read about each other except with utter bias, total bias, they will hate each other's guts, yet, they want to repeat anything that could ever get that chance, they will see the other Shakedown, they will see the devil as each one each one is looking at the other.

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Each one is dinner, they will say that, then, and what they also do is popular thinking is they'll say this is 10%, you will say that that whole half is the same. And this temperature is the same, this whole half is the same, they will label them under one big label. So they'll say all Sue fees are devious all selected our deals, never pick up a salary book, never meet the salary. If you ever meet one run as fast as you can away from me. As soon as you see him. Check he's got some instruments behind his back, ready to play you some kind of guitars in the background.

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What they can. And the next minute, you know is that if you ever come if you ever come and you come to this 10% or that 10%

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This is the cottage what we'll do is good quotation is popular.

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popular media takes one small quotation that is out of the context and we'll ignore that 99% good quotation to show that yes or no. All Muslims are terrorists. You're either with us or you're against us. Yeah, popular speech, which our President Bush.

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So what I would say to that population is that you just highlight each kind of highlights why they do the selfies have taken some people. Some of them have even seen this. The interesting is this 30 to 40% says

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we don't really believe in that. And it's the 10% that actually wrote it or they believe in it. But what they're doing this 10% is kind of conflicting leafleting, right, and books are not 10% right? And both comforting leafleting and so on, right? And it's an attack on in between what is the newest 10% here, so

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the next 10 15%

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and now you're easily DS, okay? They kind of get caught in between as well. Sometimes we get caught in between here and there, right? On this side, the same thing happens. But then you got the next, you know, 20% on top right, was mad, you come to the middle, they kind of

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Can't believe in all that stuff. And they kind of meet each other in the middle. But what I'm saying to you guys is if you have the 10% you have the 10% here.

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I just wasted my last.

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Maybe one is

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concerned about

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this guy.

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But if you're not from that 10% and the rest of the 8% depending on where you are. That is a whole middle here that we can get on together. I want us to get on I'm not asking you to crossover.

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I'm not asking you to listen

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So what I must mention is this is that you can get on together.

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And as long as it is not clear,

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clear disbelief, something that the text has said black and white, without any argument, there is no argument is there's no interpretation of this. As long as it's not that we can shake hands, we can shake hands, I can leave you with your whatever you want to say, I mean, quietly or loudly. And I can say quietly, you can, you know, keep your hands up, then I can keep myself you can actually continue to

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be who you are with whatever you're doing, not with not a very important thing of single black and white text. That is that is very concrete. So see the straight from or an, or straight from hobbies, and goods in a good source. And there's no interpretation. So basically, you can't say couldn't make this, it could have meant that there's no room for as long as we don't clash on those beliefs,

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then we can get on together, and I can still respect you as a person.

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And you know why? I'll tell you one last thing, why?

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And I'm gonna open up to questions answers, the

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ones that I just love the Aesop's Fables.

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Yeah.

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When I was a kid, I used to, I wanted to borrow that book from the library every week.

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I try to read as many stories as one story that this is not your morals in life.

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The more you go on in life, the more you can reflect on these, you know, one time some challenges to wisdom.

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So what happened is that the lion and the tiger, they came out, and the lion said,

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me,

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king of the jungle, and the target said,

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hours.

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lion and a tiger they they came on, Tiger said, Listen,

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I'm the king of the jungle.

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And they both said, okay, meaning you have a fight, who's gonna be the judge.

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So

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they looked up in the ceiling.

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And the judge,

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you know, you got nothing to worry about.

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who's fighting? Who's winning?

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And they fought, and they fought

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the negative bloody war on the ground after maybe good 45 minutes or something, you know, making on them, and they've lost all their energy, they haven't got the muscle to move another arm. And the tiger looks at the lion and says, you know, Lion, do you know, you don't know who the winner is of this match?

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Who is in charge?

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And there was a vulture now deciding is equal to eat the line first? Or is he going to eat the tiger fest? The reason why I said that.

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We are honest, honest to say this.

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We sometimes are social scientists who fight this fight. Again, don't forget this 10% 10% the rest of the middle?

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middle 60%, right.

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We fight God causes our causes.

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What our causes, our causes are both Sufi ghosts. And if you want me both Sufi, the work to have, you know, Colombians in all the schools in all the colleges and all the public places. And so

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both of us want to have, you know, a right in this country to have massage and both of us have got united foreign policy agendas. We don't want war in Iraq. We don't want war in Afghanistan. We never want war in these countries, right?

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We both got agenda, we want to have a political say in this country. And we want that to influence our lives in this country. We've got many issues on the on the education side on the cultural side and how to do things. We've got those things that are there between us.

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But unless we can start

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See, we can get on, though we hope our differences

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will navigate and get easier.

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Because we fighting it out.

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So even within the high sauce, we didn't realize we didn't University. Guys, seriously, Europe, we're about 60 people here 70 people have the highest abroad before us and how many? How many Muslims in universities about 1000? Right? Yes, right. But 1000 Muslims, the whole university?

00:50:34--> 00:50:40

Probably more or less. So how many? How many people have you got in the whole universe in total?

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So you're one in one in 30? If those figures arrived, you're one in 30. So what about it's even more important that we get together and we concentrate our efforts on giving Dawa to the other 29 bringing them to Islam. Therefore, meet new to become the time in the mind. Isn't that more important?

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Should we do that? I've seen it countless times at the shutdown and got them in the religion the fighting within the religion about who should whose feet should be way whose hand should be where, whose job should be worn how, like what

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you know, again, I'm not going to get the black and white source of the of the of the actual school and sooner but who should be like this, we should like that and so on. We're fighting in that. But yet, we have got a common goal, which is we want to save people from hellfire. We want people to be practicing longer to come to religion and shaytan as you know sits there smoking his shisha

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my god is he just

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smoking

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a cigar smoking.

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His thing is easy now. Because mean you are fighting with the religious people who are not fighting amongst the eyes of the brothers recited before we actually started in the eyes of the

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society they say Say what?

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You hold on to the rope of Allah and you don't you don't. You're separate now, what you hear is the other the other will tell you Oh my God. You see baby follows Aya they are deviating from us the four month hubs for religions? Oh my god, there's only one kind of popular thinking is absolutely destroying is going to destroy us because that's not true for mother didn't make for religions. fast enough.

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more time to speak. Now for your questions.

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Okay, so we've got one question here.

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How do you get people to deal between issues like using the debt.

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Now,

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what I'm going to do is inshallah, I want you to guys, I want you guys to

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keep your eyes out, and that is hikma online on YouTube. And they record a lot of my lectures. And one of the ones that decided we're going to do these videos like this, and only had about 55 minutes, or 40 minutes.

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And I really haven't been able to go into these issues properly. Because each issue for us to go into, I have to actually give you the whole background. And there's a whole thing about what data is what is good and evil to understand it from the very, from the point of his roots, you can't understand it from the, you know,

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from the most apparent thing that comes to your eyes, and definitions of data they differ. And what I'm wondering if there are differences that we have tribal,

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especially amongst the 69 in the middle, more or less,

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more or less.

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What I'm going to do is

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I'm going to give a lecture and is going to be good for two to three hours on one system to deal with this new good depth. And we got to start off talking about the

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difference of opinion. There are going to be

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these issues are going to come up about the dead.

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I can't give you a very deep response right now. But I'm going to try and make it very, very brief because time is time is running out.

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The whole issue is about this is about the dead, and so on. And the whole issue is whether when a person dies, completely gone dead, and his soul has got no connection to this world or not over the intense, whether there is any significance to that. And what I want to say is, I'm not going to give you an answer to this, because he really requires a good approach to spend the next 1520 minutes talking about this, before I had the time to do that. What I would say to you is that people will think that according to our area of the dead, and so on, why would anyone do that is just just some gibberish question.

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Anyone would do that, because they believe that they are communicating with the dead, and they probably can get some help from the dead. Now, if that's the reason why people are doing that, then they have gone cleaning against things of black and white.

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And things that are black and white in the in, the sooner that you actually understand it in terms of gray in front of the dead person, whether he's got a spiritual life or not as a separate debate, even if you have the soul that

00:56:13--> 00:56:20

Allah lot of settings for us to make was straight to Allah, Allah allows him to

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call me directly, I will answer your call. So that means that for anything, I really want anything at all I need. In my whole entire life I can I ever come into existence? I have been ordered by online to call him direct and not even not even called the Prophet not even calling him. And that's very clear. So there is actually no reason not I'm not actually saying here that the earliest spirits or the someone's spirit or the rule, I'm not actually going into that at all. I'm not debating this, I would give 15 strategies to give you a full response. And that would involve that try to talk about whether they are aligned with

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yours with an economy as a whole separate debate. All I want to say to you is the point of them talking to the dead, usually is that they want to ask something or they will ask the dead to go and intercede on their behalf.

00:57:18--> 00:57:27

On the home, what are you saying? Just ask me? Various if you want to call call me you want to help? Am I not enough for you?

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For my surgeon? Yeah.

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I want to

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say yeah, just say that. And these are the things that was a direct line. So that is pretty much a very brief answer. But I don't want you to feel that. I'm saying that they're all dead, I've got no connection whatsoever, because then you start getting, you know, you start getting those popular factors that come up. Because

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we are now one of them is a popular way of you know, slandering and so on that note when it comes up again, at least, I mean, I'm being cautious here. I don't want to cause you know that that mood here where we're going to start falling out on things.

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Okay, so next one is is it important to follow set? And what to look for when deciding which set to follow?

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Again, with?

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You know,

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it's a very, it's a question that really is very broad, it hasn't really gone to any particular set, if you actually write in about a particular set, is this set, okay, then if there is limited to some substance, you actually work on your very brief refunds, otherwise, you're actually saying any set. I mean, there are sets that are on the truth, and there are those that are not in between.

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So who's right fight to be balancing that to the best of my ability?

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Again, I'm a Hanafi. I'm a

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typical German, and I'm even with

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I have ocean, which means that don't make sense to me, I will not just go to college just because

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I have got cautions, and asked me because I've studied

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religion to some level. So what I would say to you is that if you actually watch a good three hours in, which will tell you all about the, you know, the differences and so on the sects and the different sectors that you've got, and what you can expect of them and what where you should probably be and my conclusion more or less is that again, what I've said today is that there are certain things that you don't have to go out and fight with, but there are certain lines you need to draw. You have two minds. I'm not gonna stand here today and say to you, you know, wrongfully that we're all good Muslims and happy Mashallah, everybody's good

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to go

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Heaven, we love each other, even mungus mean all of them, they will also be forgiven by God.

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And then the other side is that

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was such extreme bitterness inside of them that based off of their own style, they stop studying. And I want to say I disagree with you, teachers,

01:00:36--> 01:00:38

teachers, teachers,

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also have extremes on both sides. So I'm not going to say to you right now that you follow this sector, but what I'm gonna say to you is, guys investigate. And if you own university students, all of your university students, and you know, one beautiful thing about your new generation,

01:00:57--> 01:00:58

and

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you don't have to carry that baggage is remember this.

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You do not have to carry the baggage that others gauges, you don't have to do that. You can drop it anytime you want. You are British, you are here, you got free thinking, I suppose.

01:01:20--> 01:01:39

I actually studied here eight years in this country, and then my last year in Bangladesh, and I couldn't believe the difference. I couldn't believe the difference. Here. We used to debate with our teachers in the class is to debate the same style. With respect to standing up. I don't actually agree with you

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to such a well, what about this? What about that thing? And we could go on for days on a subject over there. Bangladesh?

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I said,

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What What is it?

01:02:02--> 01:02:03

What do you say?

01:02:04--> 01:02:06

Do you think about what you said before you said it?

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You don't have a whole class of 40 students in drop silence.

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And I was like some kind of the time delay, I

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suppose rebellion. And my friend next to me, he was like, naturally naturally

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spoke out. I said,

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I've fully researched him before I do that question.

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What do you say?

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I thought about it well enough before I give it

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a shot. What? I can't say question. Open your mouth is blasphemy, for whatever.

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Eight years of study in this country, and most of the staff here they were from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, but they had seen they have come here, they have climatized

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they start to they go.

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They go to Moscow.

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Afternoon, while they may start seeing all sorts of synergies, this kid is being so nice to insist on listening. And he's doing something funny, you know, why? Why does he want to do something like you know, the equivalent of this with the other finger?

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What's that?

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Think,

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then that you start understanding? What is it that which is true today? And after a year?

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We will have a question to the questions and they really get on the spot. Some of the questions I get as a new man.

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I don't mind these questions. I like to deal with them. I

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don't want to deal with them. They'll say, for example, if a kid comes up to me and says, you know, how do we know that God actually exists?

01:04:07--> 01:04:12

My son asked me the other day, he asked me this, he said, he said that.

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Actually God does exist.

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And I gave him a good

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went to do all that argument about the Quran, Allah Quran has challenged us to to at least try and bring the light of it and so on and so on. And you might have sustained

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too much. So I was like this could take hold of this in Arabic. And it said, you know, they came to the prompts and lots of them and they want you to they want you to prove that you've got them live.

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And the challenge was there was a whole group of Sahaba The problem was we sitting there and this man walking around with his friends and said, You know what, I've done what the Quran said I couldn't do was that

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brought to the life of the crowd maybe like

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the man said,

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he

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is it has a long track, and he has big signs. And

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he

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says

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because

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no matter, the catastrophe, the great knocking that can break

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when people will be like most of the day, gentlemen, now that is profound, right?

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So So the thing is, you challenge them if you get challenged, but you can actually find it. I'm not saying I'm the best. I'm just studying the, and the thing is, you can drop your baggage, you guys don't have to carry on your baggage that you've got. Okay, now

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I can see some very, very

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obvious questions that are coming up. Yeah, they're all like, if I go into any one of them, I'm gonna have to like talk for a little while. So I'm gonna have to be quiet because I'm not avoiding

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a train to catch up.

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I'm going to train to cut in one hour's time.

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But I eat in between that as well. And I'm sure some of you want to see me before I go. Right. So, brother said, we haven't got time to see if there's any question that has really short

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answer

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some of these questions that you go through that Tommaso who's right there will be answered in there.

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Okay, this is an important one it I'm just gonna pick on this one.

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So last question. What do you think about marriage between sex? Okay, not sex.

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That that type of

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stone is

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sexist. Okay. So mine between different segments and the background that you've got, I will, I would actually say to you that you better talk about your differences before you get married. You better talk about them properly. And when I say properly, I mean properly. The the left side.

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The left side I was gonna go off with a

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few months ago.

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So what you do is, you think about the issues.

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Some people fall out in the morning, even practice them.

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Some people fall out

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how far you go to believe in them believing that miracles or you know, whether you can contact them or not, especially the Shia Sunni, I would rather see you know, she has dementia.

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Because I have personal experience in long battles. Even after 10 years of marriage, there's one case that I've dealt with about five years ago, after 10 years of marriage know what happens to what happens is

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they don't know the background when they first get married. And so like, you know, Romeo and Juliet, get together. You know, we have we have pie in the sky and

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it will be the next Bollywood figures.

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And after a few years, but they realize that you know, okay, that was just one side of the navigating life but the real point comes from practicing when one of them starts to find out their own background, the second was about and they find out oh my god, oh my god, I'm living with the enemy. I'm living with this, you know, this Salafi Sufi, oh my god, you know.

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And then the next

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time the both sides can block each other out

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the fact that lives on both sides.

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guys

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think right, let's go on. Let's go and find out what the

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other thing that we can divide. They can practices Now, sometimes to some extent of beliefs

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that are not allowed to discuss it properly. And if you don't know what they are what you don't know about

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So you basically go to the man and secretly investigate a bit before you actually get married because what we can do with kids involved in between

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religion

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on the part of the psyche belong to the religion and that is really a cat and mouse after that.

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lovelies

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I hope to see each other soon.

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So, just just before we leave, I'd like to request from you

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upcoming events. So tomorrow we've got the Black History Month, Muslim, that's going to be going on in the common room with the union.

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530 smart, we've also got a tie to community. last meeting was kind of introducing everyone to try to extend this one's going to be discussing the details of events and seeing what you want to get involved in. We're going to be making banners and everything, it's gonna be really fun. So

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on Thursday,

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we are having a charity dinner. We have the stars kind of coming from the US in Sharla. And she said it's gonna be really good event and it's gonna have a sit down dinner and everything. The tickets are 10 pounds. You can buy them today. So don't be afraid. Sing buy tickets today if you want to.

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And that's all

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lucky