Followers Of Other Religions – Part 2 Of 3

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She was a descendant of

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Aaron. They're the technical experts. And that's why I

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wanted to give her just a technical when she was born a daughter that couldn't do it because the doors don't serve the temple. But that

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is one of the layers.

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When somebody is a defense to somebody, they call them by that day to remind them of that, because why are you doing this?

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So this is something, just a clarification that

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there are many things that Christians wonder about a stone that needs training. Second explanation. But not not only if you want to

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save presets, but I don't know, are you?

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This is

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your executive of why george bush did Iraq or not, it's not

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enough to go wrong.

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And who know who's right and who's wrong. That's the question and that's

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with international data science, know Archie, just because you're our goal is that

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we give power to

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around, now we're on top they designed to be on top.

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And then people are making it.

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then you have people that

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you want

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to do versus that are always

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the same are the reasons

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for teaching the United States compared to the Bible and upon return, divided verses, he argued that the effect was so much more.

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There are

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people who look at the Bible, verses Old Testament, which Jewish people still believe in.

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And we have two settlers that take those verses very seriously. The belief is to people within the community outpost they were they were these Jews graduated from the Shiva.

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Shiva in New York.

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He was a physician, an educated man, when he went into the restaurant in our

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shop, and killed

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while they were worshipping very close to God,

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as the basis for what he was doing, because he thought he was purified.

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He was purified. That way.

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We can have

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a Jewish rabbinical student that killed and shot him believing he was acting in accordance with the Torah.

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We have Christians in the United States of America, they kill doctors from finding legal abortion

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laws in the United States of America and our country if you don't like.

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But the bottom line is, that is legal.

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doctors are Christian terrorists. They

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he's acting out.

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He got into an airplane and throw it into a festival.

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And then as

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you know, it's a lonely night.

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It is a problem. How can you talk if you don't have the same definition?

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I don't know of any of it that has to do with a terrorist attack. In fact, if you look at the history of America, with the exception of the slave trade in East Africa, which I haven't studied enough to know what was going on before

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With that exception, which was a norm at the time, and it's hard to judge the people's online sensibility, but alone has been a peaceful country.

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It hasn't attacked anybody.

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And I see Western people here. They feel very comfortable. They're not afraid. They've been here a long time. They're the ones that are like fashion. Do you feel afraid? No. Do you feel safe

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to in the morning, when the waters are disclosing,

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I think Western

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European countries now.

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So this idea, also, you know, people that are doing evil, bastard,

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Typically, you're going to have cases that are higher than other groups. I mean, it's just simple logic. So

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just, I mean, this is a very interesting verse. To me, which is,

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we're just

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trying to find you

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find those who find the proper procedure for this

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That permission was granted legal permission was granted to those who have been taught to defend themselves.

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Because they were

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so if you go to concerts, despite the will to find you, when

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they're in the shop. Don't be afraid.

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Just like David Beckham, you don't do what they need done.

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You say that

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you are

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oppressive or aggressive?

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Where do you find

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the goal of this video.

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once you started wanting to do that, it actually stood up for me to call it the most humane way of children.

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So that

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is worse than

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the person who people for no reason other than their belief for whatever reason, we want the natural resources

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to fight and defend people that

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is actually

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was respect as they don't find it that it is happening.

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And so they don't do their bidding, or not do anything. Then you have permission to defend yourself in

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that activity. And this is the reward of people that are against the truth and find the truth and positive now.

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you and oppressed you

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to find fi and

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Fi for the sake of God don't have to worry about being punished for what you're doing. And then it says the title.

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But if they

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want to be aggressive against you should only fight against

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if they find you that you have permission to fly

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But don't try to live up to the condition. How

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you know what is the difference between both verifying the difference?

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off topic, you're the one who was cut off shut, is a hatred that will not acknowledge the virtues of that object.

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So even though people are not even acknowledge anything could

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be just don't let that hatred that they're showing get into your bars to learn and begin to act unjustly, because God is with the people.

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this is the

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that we need

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to know

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that when you come you have this permission to go and show her where do you find that this is girls with a book or treaty or treasure? And they show some of the believers that were unknown. And the Prophet was given permission slips, what is that? So that's

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it is

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what it is.

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But if they,

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if they pray, if they leave us alone, but then that

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allows merciful for him when he

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a job.

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And in one of the key is the job.

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you're finding a job,

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then you say, you put your sword down with an aerial view of the world. So it says even if you're fighting them, and you have to

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give him

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the motion.

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In order to hear that peace of God.

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Don't kill him, take him to a safe place. And then

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why don't people read what comes out?

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It's so clear we are at the mercy in the book of Allah.

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All these is a bit harsh, they are always followed up by compassion, in the love of seeing a total love has allowed them to go

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if you look at the practice of earnings, when

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we have churches, all over the Muslim world,

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Tunisia and Morocco in Yemen, we have two temples in India, where

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the religions over prepare for Chesley tak, those who get most of the game, most of those who stayed outside, protected, their houses of worship are protected with the rare exception to this day

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day, the mid side of the church, or anything in Jerusalem is held by

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the Christian church, one of the most Christian churches in the history of Christendom is falsifiable.

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And that

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the most of them when they arrived in Jerusalem deal with a lot of Mount Sinai, which is where the temple is, it was being used as a garbage dump. By the Christian, the Christian prohibited you from coming into Jerusalem to worship. They were not allowed to come in and you're not making this up. This is history. You can Google it, and it's all on there. For anybody who wants to see this. When when he finally got there, one of the first thing he did was clean the Temple Mount because it's a sacred place.

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And then the extraordinary Dome of the Rock and the minister was restored. And to this day, of course, it's not there. respecting the truth is thrown in Western Australia. It is permissible for a Jew to set foot on the temple.

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I'm not making this up. This is Jewish.

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What Jared

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did when he went up on the Temple Mount was the rabbinical law and the rabbi's of Jerusalem. The official

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Orthodox Jew did not perform not conservative in Orthodox Judaism, he was acting unfaithful in highest view when he set foot on the temple map, because it is illegal for Jews to

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purify with the red Viper crashes. And the Messiah identifies where the holiest of holies is, and this is well known.

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So the fact that there are they're not going to get too far by being

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the Muslims are displayed. If you look at the eye, Sophia was a measure that's true

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or was

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And you're

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to instill it to the people in my family that are from from that tradition. But the church

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is no longer a museum, one of the things that you'll notice about that instead of facing the icons,

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the original icons are still there today, you can go into the iPhone and see the original icons, the Muslims is not straight and narrow. They just lost them and left in their respective that extraordinary artwork that was done, they could easily destroy those. But they did the Ottomans were extremely sensitive. So if you look at the

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free market Primavera historical record, division, in my estimation, with

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the most amount of

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motion for

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reverse, similar to the fact that he went against us and

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so on, they went into the Muslim land that actually did once they subdue populations by physically if you resist it, if you didn't, they were reasonable, that he resisted that. And a lot of us don't have this, but the real reason for the wrong conditions was because one of the stupidest rules actually killed

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in Central Asia

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predicted ever changing.

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And he told them,

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one of them

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but they feel these loan is a nice line of work at that

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rate, you know,

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where to go.

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Or you will be assisted with

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the promise on both sides and segment

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whoever finds a video of protected status,

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they all know, I am an advocate for him against that.

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Guess we know

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when the two

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was the case at the time, got into an argument and then went to school

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there was a conflict of interest. And so

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entered into Central Asia without the Buddhists, he not only protected one of the greatest Buddhist temples in a Buddhist issue, which was in Afghanistan, he protected the Buddha's time for the next 300 years.

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In fact, the monitor became Muslim.

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as to

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when crusades revolts happen, and they had to withdraw from Central Asia to come down for the revolt of Iraq. The Turkish army is today

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Booz Allen will do this in a drop out of Afghanistan. It was 300. Again,

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the Buddhists don't they did say that.

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really are.

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How Islam treated as elitist? No, I

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am not a tribal.

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That is not there's no somebody that is on my side or the highway.

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If my heart goes astray, I know there's some people that have to tell

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me, I have a checkered past, the prosecution history, not only of Muslims and

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Christians in our industry, the persecution of hate in our industry, and the persecution of Jews.

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There is no textual evidence that history has ever fought for that they always recognize it as a long breach of Islamic law. We do not have justification for persecution.

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People talk about the Crusades and started because this insane attack that broke down

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the historians in the Christian world never

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illustrates the fact that

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and he made an official apologies to Christians for the insane act that

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he has said early on.

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today just nods to people over time just

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because we're people.

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We all live by just rules that

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God will send people who are more attractive.

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And he will give them victory over us.

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it would equal the self assessment of

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people in this audience, they'll always win.

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This is the justice of Islam is a beautiful religion is history is an extraordinary history of tolerance. There are no laws in Europe, where the Christians to go.

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You go look at the places where the Christians, there are mosques there

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is not that it's a it's a museum with a church in the middle of it. But it was never restored as

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the Pope said, you know, that kind of how we can still be that we can do that.

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there's no

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alternatively two churches,

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wherever it was where they protected the people that's why Orthodox Christian Armenian Christian abortion in the Middle East for centuries, the Coptic church was 8 million Coptic Christians in Egypt to this day.

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unfortune Unfortunately, because of a trading problem, the Jews were chased out of some of the Arab countries. Part of that even one Jewish affair Jewish and in in London

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was a very prominent

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told me that the Israelis were involved in a

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war that Arabs,

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Arab Jews did not want to leave

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to go to Israel.

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But unfortunately, because the situation Muslims have fallen victim to a kind of European anti semitism that was not treated to the Jewish world.

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It really was. There's political reasons for this problem, and I really hope that the Muslims will stop making all these curses on the new box alone.

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Shopping all

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those things is just not working.

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issue of

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is about how

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good evening

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Center for Islamic culture.

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was the first lecture given

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in this place. And I have attended and walking out.

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And I'm walking around today

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in the last

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three lectures that have attended,

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have walked away 1000 miles away from the world.

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I felt that way.

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third time that I took the mic, I was

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speak my mind.

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Relax. And once again, I commend you

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for that, now, my wife

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would walk in the

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door, do not bother when they're looking at you, because you are showing off your physical body

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that the thought, and you critical her here does not mean anything in front of them.

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Thank you very much. And this is my question to you. How do you reconcile

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either in the Muslim world and the Christian world?

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First of all,

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I just

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want to tell you that first of all that politics,

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the problem Mohammed's a licensed said, in Nevada, Anna was hopin at say a steady, Bonnie.

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The politics are going to Parkway, so he said that it would last 30 years. And his prediction was absolutely accurate. The photocopy machine ended and the political Islam as amended,

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based on pathetic truth, change. And then politics became king spiraling and then Japan era.

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Like the ruler that can shed your pass, it is a principle

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that people that

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you know in grammar, if something breaks a rule, you keep it in mind, but you don't base the rule on it. So good learners are the exception, not the rule. So you're very fortunate to have the exception that illustrates the rule in this country.

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Now, the

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the modern Western world has been was afflicted 100 years ago with

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The response to colonization was what went wrong.

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Two major responses occurred. One we've been defeated because of technology, that the logistical response so suddenly, all

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The Muslims had to start learning engineering.

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And now we've got a billion engineers and no historian. No literary scholars, no, I mean, it's just amazing, because of the belief that the Europeans got their power through technology. The other response was, the problem was too much spirituality.

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And so there was a movement against the devotional aspects of Islam and a focus on political Islam. This became very prominent in the 1920s 30s 40s 50s. And then it really comes to a head in the 60s. And then you see the Marxists in the Muslim world begin to adapt Islamic

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ideology. And that's why you see now a hybrid that's closer to Marxism than it is to Islam. But it uses all of the slogans of this law.

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But it's far closer to Marxism. And one of the basic principles of Marxism is the end justifies the means. And so there's no longer rules of engagement. There's no longer adherence to ethics and morality and war, anything goes, which is very different from the early Muslims. So I, you know, I would say personally,

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the in the Muslim world, we want to see Muslims, who, when they're in a majority of their country, they want to see a ruler who's a pious ruler, like the one that you have here, there's no indication that he's other than a pious man that that has built mosques like this that are extraordinary. And you see this in some of the other Muslim countries, there are other Muslim countries where the rulers are actually opposed to Islam, and make it quite difficult for people to practice their faith. So

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that, you know, that's my basic view on it. I don't think the problem in the Muslim world is

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more a problem of disparity of wealth. And that's why in countries like online where you don't have the types of disparities of wealth that you see, in a country like Pakistan, or a country like Egypt, where there's such a gap between the rich and the poor, one of the things that we're very happy to see is how normal the culture is here. It's really my mom's and I both have commented on that. You don't see these jalopy next to these $200,000 Lamborghinis.

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You know, it's it's a more balanced culture and that, and that's healthy for people. The single most powerful ethical force in the world is middle class prosperity. It's not religion, the single most powerful ethical force in the world is middle class prosperity. When when people have enough and they're living reasonable lives, they tend to not be corrupt people, sexual morality is, is very much the realm of religion. without religion, America is a good example. And Europe's a good example of what can happen in terms of sexual morality but in terms of social morality, economics, trading, buying and selling, when you have a reasonably stable economic system, the corruption is far less

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This is why the most the least corrupt countries in the world are the Northern European countries, hands down the most corrupt countries in the world, unfortunately,

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almost every year, Pakistan gets number one, number two, and Nigeria gets number one. But I was told by a close Pakistani friend of mine, the Pakistanis bribe the Nigerians to take number one.

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Want to add to that because he's actually the political scientist

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and we

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are going to recharge

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used to be

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love this.

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Thank you for teaching me so much.

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But anyways, I love to respect for others, of course in every religion and every fish

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that we represent goodness. And

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if they

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attack back

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we have

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discussion or debate

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at the point where years ago and invested in your point that it doesn't matter.

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And in terms of a sort of the opposite at the point where you're more invested in winning,

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as opposed to preserving your principles is to preserve your

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and your core and last

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that comes from God. And so, you can win by violating

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violating principles is great alignment with that.

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So, as a point, so

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what are you talking about not trying to dress it based off? So

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in a way, General disability,

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the people upholding inclines towards peace, and they offer for peace, then you accept that. And don't even think they're doing this because they want to be cool.

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that is not some sort of conspiracy, or some scheme.

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So these are all principles and you can

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or just want to add one thing to that the prophet Isaiah was commanded in the Quran to dialogue in a certain way. But let's see here, accent instability, acid, that respond in a more beautiful way than then what's coming to you. One of the beautiful things that he was told to say was, we're in

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an era movie, either I'm writing a guided or you're wrong, right? The guy that let's talk, one of us has right one of us as well, let's talk and then it says, He says that aluna

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he says we won't be at you won't be asked about our crimes are wrong, even though

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he never did anything wrong, but he uses that as a way of speaking so the person feels comfortable with him. He said, You won't be asked about what I've done wrong. And then he says and I won't be asked about what you do. He doesn't say much to Judy. He says

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I won't be asked about what you do. And so part of the an important thing is in discussing is recognizing that people have different perspectives and and and the Koran if you look at the Catholic boom in the Quran, most most human beings are just human beings. The Katherine the Quran is it has *up has FDR he's got arrogance, his pride. He's got this thick bar, he's got his desk. He marks and makes fun of these are the attributes. But many, many people outside of Islam have beautiful Allah and the Prophet praise of love. Look what he did with handsome and Jude had them apart and there's people from Benny bite in in this country had to modify it was one of the great

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Arab, chivalrous people. He was so generous. There's a famous story of a

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A man who wanted to buy a horse from him. And he came, because it was a famous horse. He came and had some had nothing to feed him. And the Arabs used to eat horses when they were and so he took this incredible horse, and he slaughtered it. And the fed the Arabs never asked what they wanted. You take three days, then you ask the question. Some Western businessmen learned that after a while, you know, but he went through that. And then he said, What have you come for? And he said, I want to buy your horse. He said, we've been eating it the last three days.

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But had some of it his daughter when she was taken prisoner in a in a battle that happened. The Prophet used to walk by and she would try to get his attention. On the third day, she got his attention. And he said, Who are you? And she said, I'm the daughter of hat. And he said, Let her go in a bag. Can you hear me?

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He said, three her because her father loved noble character. So he honored a non Muslim because of the noble character of her non Muslim father. What kind of over Masada, and it's amazing testimony to recognition of the good in others. And that's why the tion n is when you don't like somebody and you won't even recognize the good in them. Your hatred is so

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it's so foul that you can't even see the good in your enemy. And no people always recognize the good in their enemies, always ignorable people that don't recognize the good of their enemies. And so arguing is generally related. Mr. maryk, you say Ladies and gentlemen, a D shaped argumentation is not part of this religion. discussion is what's called the law and debate in a good way in a beautiful way, not trying to be the other person, mm shaft and one of our great scholars said something so beautiful. He said, I never debated anyone, except that I asked God, that He would give him the truth that I could submit to it.

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Because he preferred to humble himself.

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And that, that it's not showing off or trying to beat somebody up. We showed them it's like, you have these debates between Muslims and Christians and the Muslims. We showed them and the Christians go out and we show them. It's like football matches. When when the when the eye now is Come here, you guys play and I, cuz I now Forgive me. I went to school, and I can't leave my football team.

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But when they come to learn, if they be

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there, then nobody becomes supporters of

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his football team. And online. They just say we'll get them next time.

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Say in these debates, the same thing because the spirit of truth is not in the debate. It's the spirit of Allah.

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We want to beat them, we want to show them how much better we are than them. That's not the methodology of the province, or the forum.

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It's humility, the folks that moved to Ottawa that

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I was told to be humble until no one would show arrogance to another person. That's our prophets a lot.

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Thank you very much.

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Go ahead.

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much. It's very enlightening.

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I have two questions. The

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first question is

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there are accounts of Muslim people were converted to Christianity

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and understood and also kind of experience close bodies that these people

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have left in their family, that they're kind of rejected? And I was wondering how you would command that because, you know, they're good question.

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So that's basically my first question.

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No, go ahead what Stefan?

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I'm hoping it's easier than the first.

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One of the

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North European

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countries, as you mentioned, from Holland, and we have a big

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problem. And

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we know,

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he is a politician who has been very strong and

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creating a polarized situation,

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most of

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his political party and his political views. And my question is, how do you plan on the situation? How would you advise commoners regular people to establish a situation of

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to react on the political situation?

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Do you wanna?

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The second one, go ahead.

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I'll do the first one.

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People of all,

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Stripes have to realize the commonality.

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share in

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the comments, it was just to kind of make a better life for himself or herself, raise your family

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go to work every day.

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That's the attitude of the common

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So the common decency

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is no animosity

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Genesis where they see

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from the original

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about European. So I think the best way forward is for the common people out there, to not allow this instability

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to be the basis of their politics, and not someone else's agenda. So not to allow yourself to become susceptible to someone else's agenda. And from a Muslim perspective, I think it's very important for Muslims to understand

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the rights and responsibilities they have their guest been invited into anonymous.

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Right to respect the law.

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And to understand the great flux, even going back to the very first question that we

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to serve,

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to protect

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the ordinary course

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of society, even in this society where there are a lot of anomalies.

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Because what they do might become the thing that either push that person away from the center, as the first questioner mentioned, when they want to be very aggressive, or makes that person who might not be religiously

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motivated, they're not looking for particular revision, but

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very antagonistic.

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So I think it's very important for the rest of the year Europe.

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America has

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to realize they have a responsibility and that's it.

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And that convey that sauce is predicated on justice in the law.

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We the home

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that God has commanded you to convey that to his wife.

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So there's a cost that most of the hollows have to justify by your very

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compassionate and boundless understanding, but I'm here

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know, a lot of people,

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a lot of the people cheating on their taxes and finding ways to milk the system for money, the welfare all the way we should justify beggars.

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And not everything is

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equal to one another. So Muslims have responsibility to represent

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a way that lessens the tension and takes away from the likes of this politician

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that is very popular and well known in the West.

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But propaganda only has

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to become a

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to remove that basis, so that it can be seen as alive as a basis. So and then people like yourself is the responsibility

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so that the judgment is adjusted in terms of,

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well, maybe there's someone here who is selling high school is an issue of the community overall, and the need for justice, fairness, and education.

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And there's a need for adjust for religious diversity, great responsibility, faster than most of the hope.

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In terms of the second

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the first question, which is about apostasy, I think the Islam like

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all the pre modern religions, have has apostasy laws, that aspect of the Sharia has been long gone, and has like other religions, Muslims with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

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And I believe Iran has a moratorium right now, but they were applying. And there's been arguments to apply it in Afghanistan. There are still apostasy laws that are on the books. If you look at the early period of Islam, and there's arguments from Aha, Jabba Armani, actually, a great scholar that I think is well known and online, wrote a book about arguing that the passing laws are really treason, treason as laws, and shouldn't be seen as that. And that's, that's one argument. There's no doubt if you look at the history of Islam, it was very rare that apostasy laws were ever applied. I'll give you one good example. Mallory, who is very well known poet and a very famous

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anti muslim writer, and he really didn't like Islam. He lived to the ripe old age of almost 90 in Aleppo, under Muslims. Now, I think the Arabic probably left him because he was such a good poet. And they figured, you know, even though he has anybody that can write poetry like that should be left alone. That's possible. But he's noted for many, many things. One of them he talked about the Koran.

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The injunction about cutting off the hand of the thief and he said,

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he asked his mother will help with the funeral baby naughty, you know, a hand that you have to pay 500 dinars if you cut somebody else's hand off by accident. He said, What's up with cutting it off for a quarter of a dino

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and so called the after will have the famous marquee scholar from Iraq said is the amenity of the law, or

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the the

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the dignity of trustworthiness of that hand made it a valuable hand. But when it became a treacherous hand, it lost its value. My point about that is that that base is cofa by Muslim scholars I mean,

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he was writing those lines in Aleppo in a place that was ruled by Muslims. many examples if you look in the history of Islam, very rarely were apostasy laws applied. I'll give you another example. And there's a famous example

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martyrs have cultivated some Christians might know this story, there was a group of Christians who were so troubled by the fact that so many Christians in Spain were becoming Muslim, they started going into the messages and cursing the prophets, Allah lies to them publicly so that the Muslims would turn on them. They actually wanted martyrdom so that they could revive the Christian spirit in Spain. The Qaeda actually ordered these people to be like, he didn't want it to happen. He was so bothered by it, because one, he understood what their strategy was, but too, because he just didn't want that to be taking place. And so there's a whole interesting history of what was going on, then.

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I would argue that in the West, we are in a post Christian period, it's very difficult for Western people to understand when religion is central to your life and your experience, how important that is. and religion, the one of the most powerful claims of Abrahamic religions is this world is finite. It's only a very short period, but the next world is infinite. And when you're looking at the finite world, in relation to the infinite world, the infinite world has far more relevance to anybody who takes religion seriously. And so when somebody leaves the religion, it's an incredible calamity. Anybody that takes Christianity serious, understands this at all, because they're putting

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the soul into production. In Holland, the Dutch people are in a very post Christian environment, very few Dutch people, even though they were once very, very, they've always had a history of tolerance until very recently with the Islamic thing. I mean, well, maybe not always, but they're noted for their tolerance. And, and I think they still are tolerant people, they've tolerated, heroin addiction, and prostitution, a lot of other things that aren't so positive, but they are a tolerant people. And the but religion is not taken seriously. And that's why it's very hard for a lot of Europeans to relate to the seriousness by which Muslims take their faith. And so if somebody

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leaves the faith in the family, it's as if they died. I have a Jewish friend who converted to Islam, that Imam Zaid knows very well. Most of her Chetna is from New Mexico. And he lives there. He's very brilliant man who embraced Islam. His parents who were Orthodox Jews, had a funeral. After he converted to Islam, they literally buried the coffin and told everybody that their son had died.

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Because to them, it was as if he had died. He told me though, that his mother used to send cookies. At Hanukkah time, the mother

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in law, the famous story of the Christians tell about Jesus, not letting all the people that didn't believe in him into paradise. And then when he went into the garden, he found all the people he had kicked out. And he said, What was going on? And it was, they said, it was Mary, she was letting a backdoor because women have more compassion. You know, so that was the

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that was the

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the idea of giving a funeral was as if they had died. And I think about for a lot of Muslims, that is a real, it's a great calamity and tragic, but in terms of

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Apostasy laws, we tell people I know people in America whose

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children have left Islam, it happens.

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We certainly I encourage people to maintain their relationships with them, because one, it's a very confusing time we're living in the peroxisome said

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that even intelligent people will become confused towards the end of time. And we know also that the atheist when in the end, because the Prophet said, the end of time won't come until there's no one left calling on God in the world. So Dawkins wins in this world.

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And we believe that so, you know, apostasy is, you know, it's one of the pre modern

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rulings that is definitely in Islam, Allah hanifa did not consider women. If a woman apostate there was no capital offense for a woman in the Hanafi madhhab because he did not want the Hardys men but that didn't move up to row was a hard it's a hard day's work. This prohibiting killing women and children is mutawatir. It's a factual Hadith that nobody

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can deny the property do not know how to scuttle localism. And

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it's a multilateral study. And so even in the Maliki method is prohibited to kill women. But if they fight you, you can kill them. But in the Maliki books, they say, if on the battlefield, a woman comes towards you should avoid her and not and try to get away from her so that you don't have to kill her, because the prohibition was so strong about protecting women and children know he

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did not believe in capital offense for for a positive. So there are odema from the seventh period that were from the students of the Sahaba that did not

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confer with that he preferred Tanzania or have some type of

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some type of discipline that would get them back into the deal. So but I I know that there, there are many secular people in now in the Muslim world that don't really believe in Islam. But the idea of openly

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declaring that is still not done in most countries, although there are open secularists in many Muslim countries today, there are Baptists and people that don't believe in Islam. And

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I mean, in the end, I think that freedom of conscience is

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is something that the prophets allies honored. And he was certainly very aware of persecution. And we read that verse in the Quran that that fits into to about a man of pottery and fits into a shipment of pottery, persecution is worse than killing.

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The Quran very clearly states you can't make people believe

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can do you think you can force people into being believers, you can get creative hypocrites. So

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Good evening. Thanks very much.

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I had a question. Well, Jesus said to me, and it was right up from

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the hole

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IV access.

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That is

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ideal ideal application system.

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So when you when you say turn the other cheek.

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That's ideal.

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But it's not practical.

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Because there's a fundamental instinct

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and a human being the self preservation, the top of mass hierarchy.

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So, as we know, when you have an ideal is

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that it becomes almost impossible for most for most people who are hated No jokes.

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Even though Jesus did throw the other team and say that

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the other

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person it apply for a mobile device.

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Whereas with an ideal this practical, don't unless you're transgressed against defend yourself, then this is something that people have an easier time adhering to provide the check on their behavior, because it's within the realm of feasibility. For the average person where we're an ideal is so long is beyond the realm of the average person, then then it will become abandoned. And this is no practical check on people's actions. So that's how we respond to that. And I think this is something that's not universal or crazy. When you look at the the sexual scandals that have been holding before

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some members of the Catholic Church

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from from the animal

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so when you say no