Stand4Uygher Tribunal Day 2

Okay, Mr. Rich, here we are in a church house in the second day of the week are struggling. So how it is going so far? Well, it's gone very well. We've seen 1516 witnesses, some fact witnesses and some expert witnesses. All the technology has worked, which is amazing. Yeah, we've had witnesses from Turkey and interpreters from us witnesses from the US. So so far, so good. Okay. Let me ask you a question. What is the outcome? What do you try to achieve of the tribunal? Well, we're simply

seeking the truth, based on evidence and on evidence alone. So once we've received all the evidence considered all the facts, will make a determination, in fact, and then in law, and then it'll be for others to use that for whatever purposes they feel fit. And that may include governments, it may include corporations, it may include institutions, including academic art, and also may include private individuals. Yeah. So the outcome is just to

prepare a report for whoever wants to use it with politicians, whether academics will, whoever it will require, depending on the judgment, and we have no idea what the judgement is going to look like at the moment. It may require all those people to consider how they interact with the Republic of China. Okay.

To be honest with you, I didn't see much media. Is this intended, you did not want media to cover the Tribuna although we've had a lot of media. Did you look upstairs? Yeah. Well, now we've got a lot of a lot of media coverage. We I don't know whether for example. AlJazeera or international? Yes, there was a piece from Algeria today. Yeah. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. I was worried that it was not fully covered by the international media. I know. A lot of you may have seen ITV

coverage, two days ago, BBC, and so on. Okay. There is another question. I know that it might be a critical question, but we need to be, you know, some people say that, why now? The Uighur the Uyghurs

situation is a matter of concern for Western countries for America and for the UK, but they have been suffering for ages. So is there any political reason behind it behind the timing for this?

So we are completely nonpolitical. We have no interest in what politicians or anybody else does or doesn't do.

The timing for us was simply because we were invited by the world were your congress to form this tribunal last year. And that's what we've done. So they invited you, and they would not be appropriate for us to start with this without an invitation from the Uighur people. Okay, so far. So I think we have completed two days. So, so far, how do you see things going? You see that there was like, what we call genocide against the immediate there or it is too early? We couldn't I couldn't

possibly comment on that right now. Anyway, we, we don't know yet until we have to see all the evidence and then we will consider the facts and then we will consider the law and then that will be the appropriate moment. To to, to disclose whatever it is, whatever do you have someone from or represent the Chinese government? We've invited the PRC on four occasions so far to come and give evidence. So far, they have declined, but we will continue to decline. Yes. Well, no, they have not

declined. They just haven't responded. So we have no idea. But we will continue to invite them and if they wish to come and give evidence that will be very, very important to tribunal. Yeah. Because if we want to talk, I'm trained as a judge and I do judging. You need to listen to both sides, because someone might criticize you because so far, the evidence that we have heard is just one sided. So they might say, Well, where is it the other side? Yes. And we'll consider all evidence

that comes our way and including from the People's Republic of China. Okay. Okay. I think any other question? I think that is

Chinese authorities indicated that some somehow displeased or

speaking out against this or is it a complete kind of

But as you know, they've sanctioned Jeffrey and the weaker tribunal. So we of course,

make no judgment about that it makes no difference to the way we conduct this tribunal or indeed on the outcome.

Will there be any recommendation to the British government after this after the report? Now new science, we will make no recommendations that will be an overreach. So we will purely provide a judgement based on fact evidence and law.

We are not advocates we are absolutely not advocates nor are we activists. We are just an independent body providing

impartial dissemination. Okay. I think that's click OK. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, and we hope all the best. Thank you very much. Good job. I think we're halfway a long day. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you

for having me.

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