Da’Wah To Non-Muslims Part 2

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The speakers discuss the importance of avoiding the idea that God can do anything and following Jesus as the one's who creates and loves. They stress the need to address emotions and consider the logic behind their claims. The discussion also touches on the use of words and pamphlets to convey messages and the potential for false accusations. The segment emphasizes the importance of learning the spiritual experience to live in accordance with teachings and the spread of Islam in America.

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discussing with Christians about the divinity of Jesus.

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In Jesus,

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this is something I usually when I travel I need Christians or I usually try to find out

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because not every Christian

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but for the majority who believes in God, you know, I think I find it effective for me to discuss with them.

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What does this mean?

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What does this mean? When you say Jesus

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is something which actually makes sense.

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Because God must mean something, when we use the term God goddess,

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we use it to describe a particular theme.

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One of the attributes of that is that he has no beginning

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level attributes, he has no end. This is what makes him the Creator, everything else.

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Outside of it has a beginning and an end

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to creation.

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So now, is it possible

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for the ever living to die

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of living cannot die? What is illogical? Because when you start to discuss with Christians about why

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Jesus could not possibly be gone.

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On their privacy, don't you believe God can do anything?

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And of course, you must

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be able to do often. Why can't the other son?

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Why couldn't he?

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I guess he could, oh,

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well, you have to hold your ground now.

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Because when we say God can do all things, it doesn't mean this. This does not include things which make God, man or make God less than God.

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God can do all things

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that are consistent with him being gods.

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cannot become

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Because man is not God is less than that. God cannot become less than himself.

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God is God.

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So we have to bring them to that reality, because this is why they, they will come and disrupt those Christians who would like to use this argument God can do anything right? Can you have a son? They were usually stumped by Western philosophers who would ask them, okay, God,

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Can God make a stone which is heavy for him?

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God make a stone which is too heavy for him. But he has to say yes. Because he said God can do anything.

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But that is my job can't be because in God made a soldier so heavy, that it means the sword is greater than God.

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So he's got,

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he doesn't know what to do. He's in a paradox,

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for the simple problem.

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To even ask, Can God make a soul which is too heavy for him to lift is ridiculous.

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Because it's asking God to be less than God.

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So we look at the questions you don't ask

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any question which means or will make God less than he is making, make something greater than him,

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cannot be asked because we say Allahu Akbar. Allah is the Greatest, greater than all things.

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we may use this

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line of reasoning to try to bring them to that realization that

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Jesus could not have been God.

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He was born.

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He had me. He grew up. He drank milk from the breast of his mother. He desiccated on himself, his mother had to clean him up, change his diaper.

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The Son of God

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is not very good as the Son of God, okay.

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Do you mean by the Son of God?

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What is fun I've gotten

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with a dog, as a

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When a cow,

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as a

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little cow,

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when a man or woman has a child is a little man,

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when God

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to God, we now have to God's got a big garden, because

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once you get into that area then you have.

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So obviously this idea of Son of God.

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And we can go back to this contract and show them where clauses mentioned throughout the Bible, Old Testament. So Israel is referred to as the Son of God, no, David is the first the Son of God. Adam is referred to as the Son of God, all these different terms is used throughout the Bible. So we say, Okay, well, okay. What about these are?

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Some times when

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Jesus was born without the mother?

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We believe that

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does that make him

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something other than a human being? No, that makes him some kind of about?

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Maybe? What about

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he did not refer others? What did he then?

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What about

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was a miracle the greatness of God and His creation, how we create.

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This is

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the fundamental belief

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of Christianity actually don't take

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to an honest thinking Christian,

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if you go over it with him,

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because inside himself or herself

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for our sins.

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So that's step four, an honest,

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easy step, to come to agree year, God is one, he doesn't have a son. He's not like his creation in any way. That's God's God who is unique, not sharing the attributes of creation, creation does not have the attributes of God.

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So that some people Christians will say,

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I just wasn't

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pleased that doesn't work. You know, you can't have you can't have your pie or your cake and eat it too. You know, if you're gonna believe that God is wanting you to worship that God, you can't be a Christian anymore. Unless you meet a Christian, being a true follower of Christ, in which case, backfire with a price today are the Muslims.

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And you can bring the arguments to show them you know, in the testament was mentioned Jesus made prostration is very optimal, okay? Do you prefer

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to follow the way of Jesus? Jesus used to make ablution? Before

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Jesus used to pay three points in the day?

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So we're ready to go to the gym? Are you following

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Jesus to circumcised

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women around Jesus, they all were there covering themselves up. When you take the picture of Mary they called the Mother of God.

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The title, Hail Mary, Mother of God, look at this Mother of God, she's wearing a job.

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Are you following us?

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So we can try to show him through this way that if Christian Christianity means for you following Jesus, and worshiping God, then in Islam, you find the best followers.

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Some people

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to make that stuff is difficult, because of fear.

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Fear, personal fear.

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What is my husband? What is my wife? What am I children

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these are the fears that people have

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When they become Muslim, and their family will be thrown out of their homes or whatever, you have to solve this.

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If you believe in God, He is the one who is destined often

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the one who will protect you from.

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He's the only one you really should depend on. And you can't have these two things that come together. Because this means that you fear people more than you fear God.

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How do you feel God truly, which is the form of worship a form of worship your God,

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or you feel human beings, and in fact,

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because you would prefer to please the human being, and displease God, then to please God, even if it means

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just to sort of bring them around, understanding the true faith means submitting our emotion to God.

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We love God above all.

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We hate this belief, above all, we hate his displeasure, above all.

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And somehow that can help them to make

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it over the hump.

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So it's coming up,

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then I'm only touching certain aspects of each of the different groups, because each discussion could be an extensive lecture in itself.

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We began by saying that Dawa

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conveying the message of Islam is a duty on every Muslim

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to carry to everyone around him, whether or not

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one who does not do so. By law.

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It is a compulsory duty on each and every one.

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The message

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is one, the oneness of Allah,

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as a law said in the locker room, sent to every nation in messenger, and they are Buddha Mollison,

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commanding them to worship a lot alone, and to avoid worship.

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That's the essence of the message.

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That's what we have to get.

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But we may have to use different means, because our heads was the car wisely.

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We have to understand the people that we're conveying that message to, so that we give them a suitable remedy for their

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their spiritual sicknesses.

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We said that

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people are divided

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into two main groups, communist

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optimists who make up the group of atheists.

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And theists

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divided into people of Scripture, and Christian, and pagan.

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And each group

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as weaknesses which we need to identify, I mentioned them and go back over them again. And we use them as a means of opening up the person to the Islamic view.

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We said, it's very important for us to remember that we don't preach to people, when we are trying to convey the word, what we're trying to teach them. And it involves listening

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and involves sincerely trying to understand, we should have that spirit of concern.

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Because if that concern is really there, people will feel it.

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If you have no concern, and it's just, you know, you're supposed to tell the message that you tell them the message you want. So people will feel that too

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important for us is that we should really feel concerned because if we're now not destined for us to be guided

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was not guided.

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We have a job.

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Opportunity was given to us and golden opportunity.

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that opportunity comes responsibility.

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So, that is

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basically the essence of what I would like to present this evening concerning our non profit.

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And as our usual practice, I will now give you an opportunity to raise any questions like I did somebody, provide some paper for the sisters

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or people anybody

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He wanted to write down any questions.

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And until that point, if people wanted to write those those who would like to just raise their hand

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do so

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they have rules of conduct, and they believe that if they don't follow the rules of conduct, they are punished by being born again.

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And that this type of paper cycle will continue until they are able to come

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now, how do we counter that argument?

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Some people, some people

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seem to be

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bondage and the remains is

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now being

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and enjoy

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such as

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it is something, which,

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if you believe in it,

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it's very difficult for somebody to convince you otherwise.

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Because it's something which you cannot prove

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or disprove.

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If you accept the idea that some of the adults who are walking around here with previous human beings in a previous life, you know, that's what you know, how can I prove to you that this was not a human being in a previous life

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is very difficult for you to prove this point. And also this is just a case of belief.

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But because

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if they

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if they use this to support the existence of, you know, evil in the world, the weak and the poor, this is an explanation. Okay, we have a different explanation. I mean, what I would say is that

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the basis of that explanation is not right. Where did this come from?

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It came from Hinduism. And Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism, a reform movement in Hinduism, okay.

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these original ideas, go back into Hinduism and see where these ideas live. They are in the middle of a series of wild stories and everything else.

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How do you know that this is not just another wild story?

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Because these scriptures are not we don't have any evidence for their authenticity.

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Did you say these were revealed by God?

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by human beings, we don't have it down. It's only in recent times, the reports have been missing, you know how many 1000s and 1000s of Buddha's writings we have our research. This is really what Buddha

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offers to authenticity of Scripture, they have no authenticity of Scripture.

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So this is your baby.

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Okay, the Japanese believe that everything came from an egg. You know, they have some story about this egg is a you know, primordial egg and egg splits and you know, okay, whatever. Okay, there's another story. Can you prove that this didn't happen?

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It took a virgin amongst virgin.

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You know.

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You don't have any authentic sources you just have. Every nation has its own story.

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Islam has

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a method which is broad, and it has authentic scriptures, which is related to it has a complete system and a way of life, which is logical from beginning to end, if not reasonable, acceptable in one area. And then you have a map of unreasonableness connected with

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you know, I mean, the essence of what you've ended up with as a boy

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This is

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So I would like to look at their system as a whole,

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you know, if this is from God,

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what is it producing for men? You know, how does it cover certain aspects in terms of the models and so on. So, but what about the economic system and all the other things, if it's not a comprehensive system

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really tries to be comprehensive becomes manmade,

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you know, like in the power of a Buddhist, Buddhist state in the world, right? I guess, maybe,

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industry, they are wanting to step in and say, like, you have to do this data.

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So, you know,

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you take it from your competition, awesome, this,

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brings it all together,

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showed his deficiencies in the system where the Islamic system of laws is all revealed. It's not man made, again, when we start playing and this interest and that interest in the other. So I would tend to try to reach them from this point, because, as I said, logically proving that we are not reborn.

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We have another we have another explanation as to what we observed.

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You know,

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yeah, this is just one argument. So, because if we say that, actually, if you go back in time,

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by we see a decrease in the population heading towards is zero point.

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As you say, if people are reborn, how can there be increased?

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You know,

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I, this is one point I've mentioned before, but I never really tried it on them to see what their response is. They may have an explanation for it. This is this is the one logical argument, thank you for bringing it up. You know, here's the one logical argument that I've tried to use before, you know, in discussing in such circumstances, but I've never really, actually sat down with a Buddhist and tried to use that argument for them to see where they do they have a response to that drug, I have an explanation for it. So

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if you have a Buddhist trend, perhaps you can try it out and see what they let me know if you're effective.

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In other forms, of the main

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thing is that if it were not, I don't think it would solve it. Because if you go back just as men decrease the number the animals are decreasing in numbers,

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the number is the population

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parameter, if you go back in time, it was decreasing. So it meant that both men and insects increase all of the creation, living beings, there are increasing shown an increase over time. Right. So how do you explain that increase if, in fact, they're just being reborn right. So, this is a this is a

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valid question, but

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inshallah maybe we should try to have an answer for that.

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But in terms of, of course, the reason why there are poverty and there is there is rich, you know, richness or wealth in this world, we believe, because Allah has chosen

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some people to be favored with wealth over others, as a means of testing them. And that this is this essential difference that has to be there for the spiritual qualities of generosity and sympathy and kindness to develop. This is the circumstances that have to be there, the you could say the field for those

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qualities, the higher human qualities to develop. So we see this as the need for it.

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Just asking no one tries to convey the message of a law, but

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he unfortunately cannot convince anybody. Right?

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Is it proper than to argue, you know, to try to convince people and does the Quran say that for you as your religion and for me as mine well

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Verse of the Quran, you know has to be looked at in within in a particular context. You know,

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actually this verse was revealed at a time in Mecca when the pagans offered to make a compromise with the Prophet Muhammad Allah you know they said okay we'll accept your religion but you know unconditioned that you know will worship Allah with you for one year but the next year you have to worship the other gods along with us I will take turns

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and you know a lot told us I love to tell them for you your religion and for me my there's no way we cannot make a compromise like that religion is clear the religion of God does not compromise with the religion of Satan. So, we have a half half religion.

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So, ultimately in the end, if one tries one's best one realizes in the end

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I have to follow my way and if you cannot understand or is more than falling away

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I cannot make you I cannot force you to become

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but it is still my duty to convey the message to you whether you accept it or you don't

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so if a person is not successful with one individual they should not say well

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give up for me my religion everybody else they need apparatus for me my religion you yours. No, no.

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No. Because I've used it is a never ending duty.

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You know, if love is not part time

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we do it today and we don't do it tomorrow. We do it at home we don't do it at work. We do it on Friday, we don't do the rest of the week know that Islam Islam is 24 hours a day. So, whenever we have the opportunity to convey the message we tried to convey

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people don't want

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to see the same as that

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guidance is not in our hands. So the law says in letter learn the demon the

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will act in the law the idea

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you cannot guide those who you love who you wish to guide

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a lot of guys who

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you may wish for that person guide you may convey that message to the person what a lot of guys

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that person does not want to miss they have other concerns or whatever

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they will not be

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because a lot guys those who are seeking guidance

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because I love you guys we wishes. It doesn't mean an arbitrary kind of situation. You know when we are evil livered evil individuals who are logical guy which seems to be guided,

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we have good, nice, righteous people we're seeking to be guided lots of I don't want to guide people.

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A lot

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of law says he does not love

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the oppressor, the evil

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he does not guide

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those who don't wish guys,

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the guides those who are good and good.

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A lot.

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So, we understand that in a context, we are not capable we cannot make somebody become we can only convey the message to them. So that's what we do. We keep on doing it. That is

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a never ending process. ending with our death in this life is never ending in one day.

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But as long as you're living the people around you, is your job to convey the message whether they're Muslim or non Muslim. we convey the message in options, words,

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pamphlets, whatever, you convey that message.

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Okay, before we go through that,

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let us see if there any other general questions directly related to

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the doc

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Explain the resurrection.

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Well, they explain that Jesus died in the body,

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but did not die in the Spirit.

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God resurrected that body. Because how do they explain that Jesus was a man and he was God at the same time.

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And what they said were, some say, Well, he got the man on the outside, he was filled with God on the inside.

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So the body that physical body died, but God didn't die.

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Not to be

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In terms of the US, what has happened is that they have made their own personal God.

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You know, that just being a Jew is a guaranteed ticket to paradise.

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And they've also given God, the attributes of men.

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They've made God less than them in their writing.

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In the current mood, no, God seeks the permission of the rabbi's before he makes certain decisions for them.

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In the Old Testament, God is mentioned as repenting for what he did to the Jews. These are how, you know, things indicate their view of God as being really like less than men, in a sense, they have brought that down to the level of human beings.

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But essentially, the lessons that they have in terms of the poor are most of this, much of it is Islamic.

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And one would then ask, why is it that for every 100 people accept Islam, maybe 99.9% are Christians and only 1% would be used? Why is there so close?

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they have turned the religion

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into nationalism.

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It is new Jew is not just a religion, it is erased.

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So it's been so interwoven.

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So they're caught up in a situation that they're like, I would call it.

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A batalik, who knew the truth, when the truth was presented to him on his deathbed and

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called on him

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to give it up and accept a law openly, which he had done inside, but he wouldn't say it openly. He preferred to remain

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based on his nationalism,

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his pride in his tribe,

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the religion of the forefathers,

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not wanting to shame the tribe.

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So, similarly, the Jews

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then nationalism,

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tribalism so strong for a Jew to convert,

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this is you know, a major upheaval

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I mean, that person

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you know,

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his life is

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under threat.

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The major

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like Christians in Egypt for example, you know, the Coptic Christians in Egypt, you wonder, you read the Bible, those who know Arabic to meet the Bible in Arabic, and read the Quran in Arabic

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is like night and day

00:34:02--> 00:34:10

to call out is just, you know, Ryan and wisdom and beauty just you know, flowing the Bible is like reading the newspaper

00:34:12--> 00:34:15

in comparable Why are they Christian?

00:34:17--> 00:34:20

For them, Christianity becomes

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That's talking to one Egyptian you know,

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a little bit you know, when he found out I was Canadian, became Muslim.

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you know, seeking the truth and suddenly I was born a Christian and I will die in

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my family you know, I could never give you that

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is my

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you know, that's that commitment, racial

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person has to go beyond that, to be able to accept

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questions from the sisters after one performed federal fair, can one go back to sleep?

00:35:22--> 00:35:26

Somebody gets a good idea that you don't have to go back to sleep after surgery

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is a really strange question. You know, maybe not to the person who asked this question they should really explain where they got the idea that it's not allowed to go back to secret.

00:35:46--> 00:35:46


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please try and find out.

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The other one regarding

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after Salah

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should run make dua

00:36:00--> 00:36:00

after follow

00:36:02--> 00:36:08

or after summary, recite the Quran and then make dua Well, after Salah is no

00:36:09--> 00:36:12

special recommendation of reciting Quran,

00:36:13--> 00:36:15

no problems are very new at

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this point, you can add a lot wherever you wish, you know.

00:36:22--> 00:36:26

This is why also it's not really acceptable islamically that after

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you know in some cases, the mom will turn and he starts reciting these different words in Arabic And everybody's amin, amin, amin, Amin. This is not from

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because then where is your own personal prayer? So personal for you reciting Arabic You don't understand already. He could be cursing and you're saying Amin Amin.

00:36:50--> 00:36:51

The prayer after the prayer I

00:36:54--> 00:36:55


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Arabic is not holy.

00:37:04--> 00:37:09

And they had the sense that the language of the people of Paradise Arabic is not authentic.

00:37:18--> 00:37:19

Another question

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from a sister.

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Before we close and I'll just briefly mentioned

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why I

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decided to become a Flim Flam

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just to say that though I was born in a Christian family

00:37:50--> 00:37:50

raised as a Christian

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when I was in college in university,

00:37:56--> 00:37:59

I decided to give up Christianity and become a communist

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because of the fact that

00:38:02--> 00:38:05

the time in America there were different movements

00:38:07--> 00:38:09

which were calling for change in the society,

00:38:10--> 00:38:34

Justice equal distribution of wealth etc. and I could see that there was oppression people live segments of society was oppressed, it was not Justice Society. So in seeking a movement to be a part of something which could possibly change the society, I chose to become a communist because Christianity was saying basically, you know, turn the other cheek

00:38:35--> 00:38:38

as if you take the money out of your right pocket, even your left pocket.

00:38:41--> 00:38:47

To me, does that make sense? We're gonna change if we're gonna fight and struggle for change, and we have to stand up against oppression.

00:38:49--> 00:38:56

So I became a communist and worked with different communist parties in the States and in Canada for some years but

00:38:57--> 00:38:59

while working with them I was observing.

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I could see that

00:39:04--> 00:39:09

people who were talking about changing society were themselves unchanged.

00:39:12--> 00:39:13

There was corrupt as the next guy

00:39:15--> 00:39:17

says capitalist said they were condemning and not

00:39:22--> 00:39:23


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If they became the controller's of the society wasn't gonna make it any different.

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And really, in the end, this is what we found out was these communist societies broke down. We saw the leaders of the PC of these different societies that were, you know, talking about austerity and equal distribution of wealth, etc, these same leaders, they were living in

00:39:45--> 00:39:51

living, you know, luxurious life, as the rest of the population was in a state of abject poverty.

00:39:52--> 00:39:53

That's the reality

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After being with the movement there for almost four years, it just didn't seem to be heading anywhere.

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Actually, I reached the point that day the truth, but I decided that the only solution was armed struggle.

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We had some groups in South America,

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they call

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the name one group that began was called urban guerrilla warfare. It started actually hiking the government, you know, developing some of the shining path, fighting, ensuring that civil attack, but these guys are in the countryside. This other group at the time was in the city.

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So I felt that one needed to start to prepare for urban guerrilla warfare and I went to the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa,

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Canada could have relations with China. And I applied to go to Russia to China to go and study guerrilla warfare.

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After when I went in there to make this application.

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And I met the

00:41:02--> 00:41:04

general secretary, somebody of the

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embassy, Vice ambassador, whatever somebody was there.

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And I love this person first, as we were talking, he was a chain smoker.

00:41:18--> 00:41:20

Burning one after the other, you know,

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that sort of bothered me again, you know, that

00:41:25--> 00:41:27

this person really has no discipline, I've given up smoking.

00:41:29--> 00:41:32

Something has really tried to discipline myself.

00:41:33--> 00:41:33


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you know, what else was there? So,

00:41:41--> 00:41:43

when I went back to Toronto,

00:41:44--> 00:41:46

I was informed that

00:41:48--> 00:41:53

one friend of mine, who was on the Central Committee, of the group that I belong to,

00:41:54--> 00:42:02

she was a communist away even more hardcore than I was, she was a Maoist. She didn't memorize large portions of multiples, read, look at everything.

00:42:03--> 00:42:05

From it all the time, she came up

00:42:07--> 00:42:07


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she made this mistake. So I, you know,

00:42:14--> 00:42:15

I have to

00:42:20--> 00:42:31

sort of perked my interest, why they actually this person was, you know, he had been used to come around the different meetings that we had, and he was trying to talk about, you know, a lot

00:42:32--> 00:42:34

different. But of course, at that time at

00:42:36--> 00:42:37

OPM, other people

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had already given up the idea.

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I really was my mind was closed. But that sparked my interest.

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This is why, to some degree, though,

00:42:53--> 00:43:03

we don't depend on personalities. But the reality is that when certain personalities accepts Islam, you can have a massive influence on people. You know, Muhammad Ali,

00:43:05--> 00:43:07

Malcolm X, the personal

00:43:10--> 00:43:11

use of Islam, you know,

00:43:13--> 00:43:13


00:43:16--> 00:43:19

loci, different people, you know, people who

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tend to have a service session from people. And actually recently, also,

00:43:28--> 00:43:29

Mike Tyson.

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No, he accepted? I don't know, definitely. I know, I know that. Because I know, the one of the brothers who let Him in prayer in Juma

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and after

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half an hour, he definitely accepted.

00:43:59--> 00:44:14

Yeah, yeah. Because you see, what happened is that he had some Christians around him, you know, and what happened before he went into to prison he had openly become a born again Christian. You know, at the hands of law, one of the one of the features is

00:44:15--> 00:44:28

the bigger guy for instance, if you're trying to keep it quiet, you know, the guy there will be nice people around there, you know, there were a lot of people were in the prison walk into the prison, the country and so if he came out and remained

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in the prisons, but you know, when they get back out into society, and they fall back into their old friends, etc, you know, they may fall off when they made a survey of Muslims in the prisons in America, and they found that the number of over 100,000 restricted Islamic prisons in America, you know, over the last 510 years, no

00:44:49--> 00:44:59

means spreading very rapidly. And there are programs out now to try to, you know, to help in that spread, are getting crammed into the presence of cancer because the present circumstance

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provides an opportunity for people to think,

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to see the life in America so fast, you're growing up, you know, you're going to parties, and you know, there's drugs out there and you know, everything is running so fast television, music, everything, you don't have time to think. So why don't people get up?

00:45:21--> 00:45:23

You know, for the first time in their lives,

00:45:24--> 00:45:28

they have no place to go, nothing to do. Right. So then you end up

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starting to think.

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So for a number of demos in presenting the job, that became obvious, and this is also why Islam is spreading also, in the military.

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I mentioned to you before, you know, after the Gulf War, over 2000, people are suffering from the murder. Why they went back, you know,

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because, again, the art is a similar circumstance, you know, you are cut off from society, for large periods of time you're on your own, you know, guard duty or whatever, you know, you're sort of isolated to a large degree, almost like a prison. This also gives a chance for people to reflect. Anyway, the point is that when this woman accepted Islam, hi, it caught me to say, Okay, let me have another look.

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And I grabbed this book, called the

00:46:26--> 00:46:27

Islamic misunderstood

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by Mohammed.

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This book actually

00:46:34--> 00:46:39

convinced me after just reading this book alone, it convinced me and Islam was the

00:46:43--> 00:46:45

belief in God, it hadn't, actually.

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But it convinced me at least from a political point of view that what Islam has to offer some of the system it made most sense, was the most practical.

00:46:55--> 00:47:02

So that started me on the road, looking into other aspects of Islam, I read, you know, towards understanding Islam, and

00:47:03--> 00:47:28

excuse me books like this by Modi. I did a lot of reading. And then I found myself defending Islam. I went to a stage where, you know, I was still involved in the political situation. But as long as someone in different circumstances defending Islam, you know, and I remember even on one occasion, somebody asked to hearing me talk and defend this. He said to me, You can economica,

00:47:29--> 00:47:32

Iraqi, when the person said that to me, so I said to myself,

00:47:33--> 00:47:36

No, I won't. Because he said ago.

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But, of course, that process was ongoing, you know, without me really realizing it. And

00:47:47--> 00:47:55

the last point actually, for me, was really brought me over the hump, really accepting the idea of God was

00:47:57--> 00:47:58

a particular occasion

00:47:59--> 00:48:03

I was living in a common commune is the home

00:48:05--> 00:48:18

a house where each person has a bedroom is not owned by a family or rich person, you know, that you have one bedroom, woman, you have another bedroom, shed, we all share the kitchen, called a common

00:48:21--> 00:48:22

living together in

00:48:23--> 00:48:25

my own room, and

00:48:27--> 00:48:28

I was lying in my bed

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resting, some people would come in the room, and we're reading the data, large collection of books or reading from my book, you know, the table, not too far with me, but they were sitting down reading from the book. And I was like, they're in a state, you know, half asleep, half awake, half asleep, but I could hear them, you know, I was aware of the life

00:48:52--> 00:48:54

that I wanted to go into, like a dream.

00:48:55--> 00:48:56


00:48:57--> 00:49:03

I found I found myself with my bicycle, I ride a bicycle and at times, you know, just for health reasons.

00:49:06--> 00:49:11

And I found myself with my bicycle going into a warehouse, a large building.

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I went in the door, and it was all documented.

00:49:18--> 00:49:22

And as I was going in, I started to get this kind of fear, you know,

00:49:23--> 00:49:24

if I go in,

00:49:27--> 00:49:44

I may never be able to get out. You know, but I still kept going in and I was always turned back to make sure that the doorway was still there, you know, where the light is coming in. So I knew my way back out again. But I had this fear coming over me that I might go into fire and I won't be able to see the light I won't be able to get out.

00:49:46--> 00:49:51

But I kept going. And of course, I turned at one point and there was no light.

00:49:52--> 00:49:55

So I was in complete darkness and a

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really powerful wave of fear.

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Whenever I

00:50:02--> 00:50:04

clarify, don't get out, I was never good.

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I thought I was gonna die. I didn't get out. So

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I started to scream to the people in the room to help me. Help me get up, wake me up, get me out, and I was calling out Help me Help me. What happened is that as I screamed, it wouldn't come out my mouth. It was just in our throat, I'm screaming, my brain is screaming, but it just wouldn't come out my mouth.

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So they couldn't hear me. And I'm screaming there. Then I just reached the point

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where I gave up

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I realized that those people could not help me. And I couldn't help myself.

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I gave up. And as soon as I gave up, I woke up.

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Okay, that

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it just hit me, you know, that, obviously,

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there is that power, which is greater than

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that I couldn't save myself of people in the room couldn't save me. You know, obviously, someone or something

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that just sort of reinforced in my mind the idea of God that Supreme Being

00:51:23--> 00:51:25

it seems like a sort of a spiritual kind of experience, you know,

00:51:27--> 00:51:31

whatever, but that was the sort of turning point for me that's just

00:51:32--> 00:51:38

after that, then I just decided to learn the prayer and you know, the other type of Islam and then accepted Islam

00:51:43--> 00:51:43


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come to the end,

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and I hope inshallah, that

00:51:54--> 00:52:00

what we have discussed here and you know, what are presented here is not an exercise

00:52:01--> 00:52:03

in academic

00:52:05--> 00:52:08

and academic class. You've taken mental notes.

00:52:11--> 00:52:11


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something on the flat

00:52:15--> 00:52:18

some aspects of Islam that we need to live,

00:52:20--> 00:52:21

not just to record

00:52:23--> 00:52:35

to regurgitate to bring up again at another occasion or whatever, but something which would help us to live in accordance with the teachings of Islam, because Dawa is a part

00:52:36--> 00:52:38

of Muslims life

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without Dawa,

00:52:43--> 00:52:45

dying or dead.

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So I hope inshallah,

00:52:49--> 00:52:59

all of us would reflect on this responsibility, the grave sins, not fulfilling this responsibility, and to try to apply it in our lives realistically.

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