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The conversation covers Jesus's teachings about love and religion, as well as his use in modern times. It emphasizes the importance of context and the need for rewarding actions, particularly in English. The holy spirit being God and the Son of God is discussed, with examples provided of how it is visible in the church. Acte of the Bible is also mentioned, and men are punished for their actions.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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brothers and sisters,

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Pastor Eric,

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it is a great question and a great honor for me to welcome to discovering

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in the debrief between our

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renowned Muslim scholar

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from South Africa,

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the well known Danish priest, who has often attracted the eye of the media because of his sternness in his opinion and his bravery to speak at a

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Tonight, here in New York, the first of its kind,

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we can say with an open topic like this,

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I would like to greet you with

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all this briefing that we know the peace creating Peace be upon you as salaam alaikum,

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Salaam Alaikum.

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We will start tonight by listening to him

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giving his first

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his first ideas on tonight's topic. And He will speak for approximately 15 minutes.

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After this, the word will be given to Mr. Eric Bach. And he will have one full hour at his disposal in which he can give his answer to shift.

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After that, the word will begin to shift. And he will have another 10 minutes to give you his read off on what Eric Bach they eventually have raised issues that need a direct answer.

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So I'm happy to give the word to shape

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wa Salatu was Salam

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ala diva. I love Miami.

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We are miserable as Bob. We are the highest in our country.

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I mean, we do Amarillo law in the law.

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Mr. Chairman, respected pastor and my dear brothers and sisters.

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Thomas Carlyle

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made a great mistake.

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Who is Thomas Carlyle?

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Thomas Carlyle happens to be one of the greatest thinkers of the past century, a European, a British, most specifically a Scottish Presbyterian.

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In 18 114,

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he delivered a series of talks

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in England,

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under the theme, heroes and hero worship,

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heroes and hero worship.

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And the first section of his talks was dedicated to the hero as God.

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And the gods that he discusses are the gods of the Scandinavians.

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The people Norway, Sweden, Denmark.

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They had the gods before Christianity reached.

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Like the gods of ancient Greece.

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Gods and Goddesses who attend grand Randall and plotted, carried away the lives of other gods. Like the gods of the Hindus. The Scandinavians also had their own gods, in the mythology in their fairy tales, or their paws, wardens. These are the gods of the ancient Scandinavians.

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He deals with that, and heroes, as military men than as heroes as Prophet, the hero prophet. He chooses this Thomas Carlyle he chose our Libya Kareem sallallahu sallam, the Holy Prophet Muhammad as his hero, Prophet.

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Ma see a Christian, a Presbyterian, talking to his English Christian audience.

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He does not present to them, Moses as his hero, Prophet, or David as his hero, Prophet, or Solomon, or Jesus. But he chooses Mohammed sec.

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Amazing situation. He was about the first European.

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To do some justice, he tried to do some justice to a wannabe academia. He said that the lies which well meaning zeal has he found this man, a disgraceful power sells only that the people were trained

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to hate the madman within his religion. And he goes out of his way to prove to the contrary, that this man is great, MIT messenger of God.

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But he was wrong, I said,

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because at the start of his talk on the hero, Prophet,

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he makes no

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that in the history of the world, there will not again be any man ever so great, whom his fellow men will take record. In other words, mankind has reached an intellectual level,

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humanity as a whole, he assumed

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that they have reached an intellectual level, where they will never acknowledge another human being is gone. That is the mistake he made.

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That's what he said. In other words, we are very clever now we all are very clever. We won't accept another man as a court anymore.

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Not only mind what the man does, the man comes to you and says, Look, I can fly in the air like a bird around the hall. And he comes back.

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Are you prepared to accept that man is your God? No.

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The man says, Come, come, come. We go to the mortuary to the hospital. And I call the people out of the dead. And they all come out. We said the man is God. No.

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The man shows you in the palm of his hands look, look look

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like a TV? Look. You can see your wife what she's doing at home. Can you see? Can you recognize that? said yes. Now it's believed that I'm your God.

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My God.

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Why? Because when I look at you, mean, for example,

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this man is about 70 years old.

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Now, man, what I do, I can read your mind. I can tell you, the nose, the coronas that you've got in your pocket, and I can give the numbers.

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Believe that I'm your boss.

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I don't know how you do all these things. But when I look at you, I can see that you are about 70 years old before 70 you will not hear you won't be here for another 70. That's definite. I don't know where the last another seven. I don't know. If I had a knife, I can put it. I can. I can shoot you. You are not my God. You are not the Creator of the heavens and how you do all these miraculous things? I don't know. I don't understand. That is the intellectual development of mankind today. That's what he said. But after he spoke this, that's 150 years ago in 1800 14. There are people on earth. They're worshipping men and monkeys, elephants and snakes. In America, Father, divine, and

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Afro American with the white men and the black men were worshipping Satan, no moon, the Korean, there are people who are worshipping him as a god.

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They're worshipping the devil, Satan worshipping cult, in America. And in the world. Today, there are more polytheists in the world, people who are worshipping million monkeys, elephants and snake on God's good today than the worshipers of the one true God. So Carlisle was wrong. He assumed that we have reached that intellectual development, we will not accept another human being as God. But today there are people who worship other human beings.

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And the topic for this evening, of course, you know, is Jesus is Jesus God. And there are over 1 billion people on earth who say, Jesus Christ is God incarnate, God Almighty, who came down to earth as a man. And then they are the most knowledgeable people, people who land on the moon, and they're making the Mars and Jupiter probes. They monitor the world like,

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like, like, things in their hands on the fingertips. They know what's going on in the world.

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But they still despite all that they still worship another human being as God.

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what we want to establish justice, before we confer divinity upon anybody,

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there is a rational question.

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Did the man

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claimed to be gone?

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Number one, we want to know whether the person made the claim. We have no right to say Quisling, you know the guy in Norway.

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Who was selling his country to the Germans? Quizlet

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That guy, let's say there is a Muslim in Norway.

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They say that because he was the Messiah.

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He was the Messiah. And this cult grows and it overtakes Sweden and Denmark and the whole of Europe.

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He said, No, he was gone.

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First question we ask is that this guy Quisling? Did he claim to be gone? Hitler, some health stuff growing in Germany, neo nazis, I want more on the warpath.

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The racists are on the warpath again. And let's say it grows, the sickness grows. And 90 million Germans one day decide, gee, Hitler was the Messiah, he was born incarnate. The sensible thing to do is to ask a simple question, did Hitler say he was born? The answer is no. The Quisling say he was God. The answer is no. did Jesus say his God? The answer is not. Simple, simple as that. Did the man claim divinity? If he claimed then we have to analyze what is God?

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What does it mean? is not just a word, it means something. What does it mean? That this God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth? We have to accept that God means we are talking about not just giving a God with a capital G on a God with a small G. Well, you know us very grateful we call him a God. That means nothing.

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God means understand, that the Creator of the heavens and the earth, the unseen God of the universe,

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who is most merciful, most most, these are his qualities in the Bible, in the Quran, that he is a spiritual being. Jesus said, God is Spirit. And those that worship Him must worship Him in truth and in spirit, not in form, shape or size. Jesus is in form, shape and size,

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qualities of God.

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So once we have established,

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what we are looking for, I am putting forth to the pastor

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the source of your authority, the Christian authority

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is the Holy Bible.

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Now, if the pastor or any buddy here in the audience

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can show me in his or her Bible, a statement made by Jesus, where he says, I am board worship me.

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In any Bible, Swedish, Spanish, English, whatever, whatever version, Jehovah's Witness version, Roman Catholic version, authorized King James Version, Revised Standard Version, any version of the Bible on Earth.

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Just show me where Jesus says, I am God, where he says, worship me, and I am prepared to accept Him as God, and I am prepared to worship Him. I'm not speaking for you people.

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I have no right to speak on your behalf. I speak for myself. I am prepared to put my neck under the guillotine.

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You show me and chop off my head. You want to baptize me tonight. I'm prepared to go with you. Wherever you take me. If the swimming pool around, I don't mind in this cold winter to go in and come out baptized. It is as easy as that is, you can do something easier than that. Just show me

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that Jesus says, I am God. He says worship.

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And believe me, my neck is safe.

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Because I offered this to the pastor Stanley in Stockholm.

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And he failed. What is it? What is it? Do? You have your time?

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An hour.

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So you will

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have your time you'll have your own hour and the hour past.

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So my last 10 minutes hasn't? You haven't done it yet. I have put my neck on the block and you have not been able to chop it down because it's not there. The man never claimed given it not only he didn't claim that he's not God. But he was so humble.

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Jesus Christ was so humble

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that a young Jew comes to him. Matthew chapter 19, verse 16, a Jew comes to him and says, I'm reading and behold, one came and said unto him,

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good Master, teacher in Hebrew Rabbi

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Chef man, that's what he said, Good Master,

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what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life, that in the hereafter I have done? What good thing must I do?

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That's the question

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instead of answering him,

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but he must do Jesus's and he Jesus said unto him, Why call us D'Amico? What you calling me good for?

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There is no good, except one that is called evil. Goodness is not prepared to accept. Goodness belongs to God, God is born. He is all me.

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I am a humble,

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humble teacher. Don't start pouring all these good words upon me. I don't deserve it.

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As a man I admire as a prophet, man.

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If you said, You tell me is no Mr. de da, is the Billy Graham says they have been advertising in stock on before I came. Is that the biblical ham of the Muslims? And is Mr. D that is Jimmy's.

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And all kinds of nonsense. I said, Look, please.

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Hello, you know, I have been talking, talking and I talked myself into this position. I didn't go to Alaska, or to any university, I am not academically not educated man in that we find in the audience here, but not in any way like that. This is humility, we will accept from any man humbleness. But if the man is God,

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and He says, Why call us army?

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Then it is not befitting his God. And he says Don't call me even good.

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God is this because God is all good.

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this, I leave it with the pastor, easy reference, it does not have to start paging through matches also, as I go along, I will hand it over the references and the verses. So he does not have to open the Bible to verify.

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Now the absurdity

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of the claim that Jesus Christ is God.

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If he is God, if he's God, in inverted commas, then the birth of God is described in the Bible. If he's got

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Birth of a man, we don't mind. But if he's God, then we take exception to what we read, Bob being born, so God was created from the seed of David.

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Can you imagine God was created from the seed of David, and you read about David in the Bible

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stories, which needless to accept,

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he see. God is the seed of this what the Bible says, concerning His Son Jesus. I'm reading book of Romans, chapter one, verse three, I'll give it to the passages now.

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concerning his son, God's Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, now this is what

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our Lord, which was made of the seed of David,

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according to the flesh, is not metaphorical means actually see, according to flesh, not metaphorical literal.

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according to the flesh wounds, literally, he is the son of David, his seed passed on from man to man meant to man till it reaches mother and he was so born.

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God being the son of David, it is making a mockery of God,

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His kingdom, God's kingdom extends over the heavens, and yet every religious man says, so busy so. But in the Bible, we are told the Gospel of St. Luke chapter one, verse 33, and he Jesus shall reign over the house of Jacob, the Jews, he's only going to do with the Jews. He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, but his kingdom is restricted to the house of Jacob jacobellis Allah. He had four sons and the 12 tribes of Israel, the Jews, his kingdom only extends over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom, there shall be no end. But we know the moment the Jews are rolling in the seat of David who are sitting there, the Jews, not Jesus, but he was forever.

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Part of

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it was supposed to be for ever

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has ever been in your language, you know what it means ever since ever?

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Here is another passage through

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God Almighty, according to the belief of the Jews.

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The Christians and non Muslims is all knowing he knows everything.

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But we read in the Scriptures, if he is gone, we are taking exception to that he is gone. If you say is God, then we are now producing this evidence to say he's not God.

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But of that day, his knowledge, the knowledge of God is limited. If he's God, as a man of knowledge is limited, we don't know when the last day the resurrection is going to take place. Nobody knows that God

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is God. This is what the Bible says.

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But of that day, Jesus, he says, of that day, and that our Lord, no man, nobody knows. No, not the angels, even the English don't know.

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Which are in heaven, neither the sun,

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I don't know. It's talking about himself as a son, neither the son, but the Father. Only Allah knows only God knows. If he is God, then what pretentiousness he doesn't know in knowledge is not like God.

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In power is not like God.

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What makes it God, we want to know everything that is being told to us is that is not God, he is human, human human.

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Not only that, in his knowledge is not like God, but in ordinary knowledge is also deficient.

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Ordinary knowledge,

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that delete Mark chapter 11, verses 12 and 13. It says,

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and on the moral next day, when they were come from Bethany,

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he, Jesus was hungry.

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Can you imagine a hungry God?

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Please, look, now this is what the book is saying that he was hungry, and seeing a victory of our office, our victory in the distance,

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full of leaves. Because he saw the leaves, he came in happily, happily, he might find fix their own. And when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves.

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For the time of fix was not yet it was out of season.

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Why didn't he find fix? He sees the factory is hungry, so you run straight. He didn't know that they will no fix on his car. He ought to have known. But look, he didn't know maybe the hunger drove him. He ran up to it and he sees there's no leaves. And so Lou fakes Why? Luke tells us because it was out of season. The Jesus knew things were out of season.

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Look, you don't have to be a god. You don't have to be a horticulturist. To know these simple things. You come to my country in June July until you and leeches deliver food.

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So we'll do so when you come from Denmark with no leeches, you'll get Christmas. Certain fruits only sometimes certain sources in winter is summer now. There is some at the moment. You don't get these memories is enough that you get in winter. You don't have to be a god. You don't have to be a farmer. You don't have to be horticulture. This is common knowledge. People have to know what fruit is in season and what is not. This month, a messenger of God, I don't know how they put it, that he didn't even know that six out of season is affecting fruit. And when there's no fruit, what does he do? He gets angry with the tree and he curses that he should do that. And

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can you imagine if that tree is following his father's law, God

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is following the law in season, out of season, you don't need food. Now he's expecting something to go against the nature of the tree. And because it doesn't go against his own nature, he curses it and the tree withers and dies. Next day, Peter came in fourth, he says Master, the tree widow has cursed has wither and for what? For following the law of God.

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this is what they say about Jesus in the Bible. Matthew chapter 21, verse 18,

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that is described as a hungry gone.

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God in inverted commas is what they say. I don't say that.

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Now in the morning, as he returned into the city, he hungered.

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A God look as a man we hunger, and we first but has a god he hungered, Matthew 2118. And again, and on a moral when they come from Bethany, he was hungry. Chapter 11 verse 12, Mark, Matthew chapter four was

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not the quality of God as described in the Quran, or, more exactly. Jesus, his qualities and described the Quran says, mercy have no Mariama LRS, who,

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most certainly Messiah

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Translated Christ Jesus, the son of Mary is no more than a messenger. But so many were the messengers that passed away before him while he was in the car, and his mother was a virtuous woman, a saintly woman.

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This is the testament in the Quran, about Jesus and his mother. And his mother was a saintly woman, Tana Kalani and they both add food.

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So what we call it food.

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This is to bring to your attention, that there are people who are worshipping Mary, the mother of Jesus, as the Mother of God, the Roman Catholic Church.

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Jesus, the mother of Mary is worshipped as the mother of God as goddess, and the Christian will worshipping Jesus as God. So Allah says they both add food. So what Allah says, see,

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see, are making my science clear to you the missing link.

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have another look.

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And now you see how the hell deviated from

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Surah majda chapter five, verse 78. In other words, allies telling us in a most diplomatic language

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that they

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see have another

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What? That if you eat food, you are dependent, God is independent, if you eat food, you have a call of nature, you run to the pilot, and if there's no pilot, you run to the rocks and the bushes around you, and the flies start buzzing around you. This is not the quality of God. Allah doesn't spell it out for you, but that's

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it. See, Suman Zoo have another look. What?

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God eating food, his mother, Goddess eating food and went into the toilet. Please, please don't do that.

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This is an Arabic. I don't know.

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These are all

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you don't have.

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Again, the book says john, Chapter 19, verse 28.

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He said, Jesus says, I trust.

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I first

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look at manifest I'm posting now.

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But God first Firstly, it does not defeat God. See, that's why we say look, everything about him is human, human human.

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And, again, if he's God,

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it says, Yeah, Matthew chapter eight was 24 he was asleep. God was asleep.

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And Luke chapter 23 he fell asleep. And again, Mark chapter four, verse 38, it says, and he was in the Kinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow. God

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got sleepy. Sleepy, drowsy, Allah. Allah Quran in ikusi he says neither slumber nosleep overtaken him. This is God. Mostly Muslim, but he doesn't get get fatigue in guarding and cherishing his creation, creation. Allahu La la

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la Mulana, neither slumber, no sleep overtake it. This is my God, this is God, a god, a person of you sleepy can never be, oh God, he sleeps on a pillow is not your God.

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Then this God is God in inverted commas. Is tells us about his transport on Earth. Behold, Thy kingdom come up on to the meek, very meet Jesus.

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And sitting upon an ass in a donkey,

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transport of God a donkey.

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And he's very meek.

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And Jesus when he had found a young s donkey, sat there on john chapter 12, verse 40.

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is very meek, and he is using the donkey for his passport.

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The worrying God is out for a war for a fight. The strong a method of God in inverted commas God and when he went into the temple, Jesus, and began to cast out then that soul there in in them that bought as a man, righteous man was irritated by misbehavior of his people understood.

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But as a God, His behavior is uncalled for. He's throwing people out. And again, in john chapter two, verse 15, it says, And when he had made a scourge of small cause they made the web

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and with this video, he wrote them

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All out of the temple, hem the sheep and the oxen and poured out changes money, the money changes over to the tables.

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Now this type of strong arm tactics, you know belongs to the SS, to a man of God as a man as a human being Yes, but God will such things, making a bit and going beating people out of the temple.

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And the Bible describes this God in inverted commas, I said in inverted commas, so

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he describes him. He says here, the quality of God, he says, God cannot be tempted.

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You can't tempt me to do things for you the way you want it. So, if you don't do me this favor, you know, I'm going to become a Hindu.

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Do the favor, I will say you don't exist. You tend to call. So James, chapter one, verse 13. In the book, in the Holy Bible, it says, God cannot be tempted with evil. Neither attempt at any man he doesn't tempt anybody, nor can anybody tempt him.

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But in the book of Hebrews, again in the Bible, chapter four was 15 year old, but he Jesus was in all points tempted, like, as we

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can imagine, God doesn't tempietto now, not only is he was, Jesus is what he was tempted in all points, like as we are, yet without sin. We believe that all the prophets of God as sinners, but Jesus was painted

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like anybody else, if he's God, he can't be tempted.

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This talks about the book talks about the spiritual development of God,

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that God spiritual he develops, evolves, they become stellar, like you and me, we have experience. So it says here, chapter two, verse 40, and the child grew, Jesus, he grew, and wax strong in spirit, his knowledge, back strong in spirit, filled with wisdom,

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God, getting filled with wisdom is taxing, getting fatter and fatter and more knowledge God, God is self knowing.

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This is the quality of God that his knowledge is his own. He doesn't grow in knowledge that you know, he has to go to a school or a university, or hard knocks of life, to make him a better God. He doesn't need that that is not the quality of God. Then again, Luke chapter two, verse 52, we are told, and Jesus increased in wisdom and stature,

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God, increasing in wisdom and stature,

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and in favor with God and man is God but is in favor with God and men.

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And we read

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the devil tempted God, if he's gone,

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and immediately the spirit drive with him into the wilderness, and he was there in the wilderness. 40 days, tempted of Satan shaitan was tempting him, making him to think and believe things which he ought not have done. How can a devil them? God?

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everywhere, everyone, God,

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can you imagine God weeping, crying, like a little baby?

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john chapter 11, verse 35, it says, this is something if you remember, you can win a Bible quiz.

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You can win a prize, just remember this, the shorter sentence in the Bible. If they asked you, what is the shorter sentence in the Bible, remember those two words? Jesus wept. That's, that's a shorter sentence in the Bible. He wept. mbaise

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JOHN, Chapter 11, verse 35, why did he weep?

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It tells us a beautiful story, which proves again that Jesus is not.

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You see, he tells us john chapter 11, that his friend Lazarus had died.

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A friend of

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he had died. And he was not there in the village at the time. So after three days, he goes to the village and the Sisters of Lazarus, they tell him he says, you know, Master, if you were here with us, you know, you might have by a miracle saved my brother from dying. You know, you heal other people you wish the dead, my friend, my brother, and your friend, you know, if you were here, you might have saved his life. So Jesus says, even

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if you have faith, he shall see the glory of God. You shall see the power of God you will still see even now if you got faith. So saying he said, we have you laid him,

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Take me to him. So they start walking out

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going towards the cemetery, the separator,

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a big chamber above ground, not a great, this is where Lazarus was put according to the Bible. So he's walking up to the place with friends.

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And while he's walking up his crime, Jesus wept. And he growing in the spirit.

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The Bible says he Chrome

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is going to Allah. tala, oh my lord. You know, my friend, my dear friend, he's dead.

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back to life, he's crying. He's talking to Allah talking to God. But because the people couldn't hear his words being articulated because he's crying to himself within himself.

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So they say he said, he didn't grow and he was actually pouring his heart.

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So saying, he reaches the

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end, he lifts up his eyes towards heaven. And he says, Oh, my father. I know that that has heard me what the prayer that groaning he was talking to.

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I know that that has hurt me. And I know that that hears me always. But because of the people that stood by these superstitious credulous people, they will think that I am bored, I have given life back to the dead, therefore I'm putting up an act, that they may not make a mistake.

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Why am I doing all this act? I want you to know, it's not me. I know that. And I know that here's me always, but because of the people that stood by I said it, that they may believe that that was sent me. You're saying, you were working, you're doing the miracles. So saying, he says remove the stone

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in the opening of seven. And he shouts, Lazarus, Lazarus come out. And Lazarus came out, who gave life back to Lazarus.

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God Almighty is doing the work. And Peter, the one who was given the authority to feed spiritually guide his sheep, his flock is a pita, in your hands at the keys of heaven. PETA, Feed my frog, PETA, feed machine. This Peter in the book of Acts, he says, He men of Israel or Jews, he's addressing the Jews, he men of Israel hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, amen, approved

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by miracles and wonders in science, which God did by him,

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in the mix of you, which he also know, who did it, God did by him is using him as an instrument, as anybody would use this and you put on the switch, or put it off,

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you are not supplying the power, the power is coming from the power station, you have only an instrument of pressing the button for release. That's what he does. Whatever God commands him to do. With him survive, he does the job. Then he says hi, by the finger of God cast out devils I, by the Spirit of God do these things? Where did he say this power is mine? I have done it on my own stand. No me.

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Jesus Christ. Imagine He is God.

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If he is what is the Christian say? But this is what he says.

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JOHN, chapter five, verse 31, said if I be a witness of myself, my witnesses not true.

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If I say look, I am so and so I am the my witness is not valid. He says john 531.

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Then john 813. And 14 says that the Jews come to him and quote his own words. They put his words back into his mouth. They say the Pharisees means the priest of the Jews, therefore said to him, you bear witness of yourself. Your witness is not true. On his own words. This is what Jesus said in 531. So now they say you self praise has no recommendation. Because you know, it's worthless, rubbish. Self praise has no recommendation. That's what Jesus said. Now, they said, you know, self praise has no recommendation. If you're a witness of yourself a witness is not true. That's what you said. So now Jesus says, but he answered this, Jesus answered and said to them, even if I'm a

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witness of myself, my witness is true. He just said, if I'm a witness of myself, which is not true, no, I said, No, even if I'm a witness of myself, my witness is true. The man has to make up his own mind.

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Do prophets lie? You have been called New prophets lie. Jesus Christ

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is speaking about john the baptist, the Jews had a prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias de leus, Elijah will come first. So they asked Mr. Luke, you say you're the Messiah, is Elias. Witnesses. Yes, it is Elijah, same me. So Jesus says

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He says about john the baptist.

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In Matthew chapter 11, verse 11, he says,

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verily I say unto you know, surely I'm telling you, among those born women, in the human being, there has not risen another greater than john the baptist, the greatest of the Jewish prophets is the john the baptist, among those born of women that have not risen, another greater than john the baptist. And again, he says,

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in 1114, and he will receive it. This is Elijah, john is Elijah.

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If you accept what I'm telling you, he is Elijah.

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Matthew 1114. But now, when we find in the first chapter of john, Book of john was 19, and 21, the Jews come to Jesus and to john the baptist, and they asked him a number of questions, among them, verse 21, and they asked him, What then are you Elijah?

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Jesus said, he is Elijah.

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The man you're waiting for? Asking now, john, are you Elijah? He said, I am not the mightiest messenger of God on earth, according to Jesus. He's denying Jesus.

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He says, Jesus says, This man is Elijah. And Elijah says, i'm john says, I'm not between the two, who is speaking the truth. Can you imagine somebody asking pastor

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where's detective? Who's dead? And so he points to me, that's the dead and asked me You asked me, are you dead? I says, No.

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Either he is lying, or I'm lying.

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He says, I am good. I am not. I say his pastor Bob. And he says he is not as I am lying. He's lying. One of us definitely not speaking the truth between john and Jesus, the mightiest of these prophets in Jesus Christ Himself, one of the mightiest messengers of God between them. Now, Jesus says he is Elijah. And john says, I am not. Who is being the truth. We would like the pastor to tell us, between the two Muslims, we are not to enter into this kind of controversy. It's not for us, between the prophets of God, we are not going to judge who is to and who is false. That's not our job. But it is for the Christians to tell us who between Jesus and john who is speaking the truth.

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God Almighty is all powerful. He can do what he pleases.

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But Jesus says, I can have my own self do nothing.

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God can do everything. If he's God. He said, I can have my own self do nothing. JOHN, chapter five, verse 30.

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But Jesus's Mark chapter 10, verse 27, but looking at them, Jesus said, with men, it is impossible, but with with God,

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but not with God, for with God, all things are possible. Whatever he wants to do, he is the doer of all he intends Allah tala God Almighty. He does what he pleases. Nobody can come in his way. He is irresistible Supreme.

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Jesus says he can do nothing. And he testifies that God can do everything. He can be God, Jesus can be God.

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Then the racial connotations about Jesus. You see, we are against specially the Scandinavian countries. We are very grateful to them for the fight they put up against South Africa, the whites of South Africa. They have been oppressing us for 300 years, the white, white Christian rulers, the most regular churchgoers greatest racist of any people on earth.

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And the scanning aliens, they came to the rescue. They have been passing sanctions and everything they did, and the country, the white race is changing in South Africa.

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But now, this race is and where did they get it from? Yeah. In the book of Revelation, chapter five, verse five.

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God, in inverted commas, was a tribal Jew.

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It says, He is the lion of the tribe of Judah. Judah means Jews.

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Can you imagine God in the line of the tribe of Judah? Then Matthew 1524 says, but he answered and said, I'm not sent, but under the Lordship of the house of Israel only for the Jews. He is racist. According to what he says, I am only saying for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I want to know what the Danes fit in and when the streets fit in and when the Germans fit in. I you all the last title of the house of Israel. answer that.

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His titles, his titles, as gone, it is gone. Matt, you too.

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He is the King of the Jews.

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The title of God, King of the Jews. john chapter one, verse 49. And chapter 12, verse 13, he is the king of Israel, King of the Jews.

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According to

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Jesus is called the Gentiles, our dogs. Gentlemen, our non Jews are all dogs, all of us, unless you say you're a Jew, you are his children. Otherwise, all dogs, whether you are a Danish or Spanish or whatever you are. It is not me to take the children's Britain passed it to the dogs. Matthew chapter 15, verse 26, how can God Almighty treat his creation as dogs?

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But this is what the book requires that he treated all known Jews as dogs and pigs, even if they do not throw that which is wholly into dogs do not throw pearls before swine, less they turn and renew

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racial discrimination.

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Brother, Eric,

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you see, we have to come back to the basics.

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The basic is this mighty messenger of God, we in Islam, we believe that he was a mighty messenger of God. He was the Messiah. He was born miraculously, he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and he was born in the lepers bypass commission. We have no qualms about accepting all that. The only real difference between us is that we Muslims, we say that is not God Almighty in human form. As a man as the messenger, we must love him, respect him, reveal him follow.

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But don't wash it. Because he at no time, did he say worship Me? No time he claimed divinity.

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On the contrary, we will be able to confirm that when he was

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in dire straits.

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When he supposed to be having on the cross. When he's supposed to have been on the cross. He cried out with a loud voice. I'm quoting li li la masaba. Oh,

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my God, my God, why has forsaken? He is God Himself. If God himself who is he trying to?

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How can you cry to yourself that you force yourself How can you forsake yourself? If you want to get out you can get out.

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Why has that forsaken me? And he's crying to Allah.

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He's crying to Allah. See the word La la la masa bustani. Translated My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? That word they is Allah, Allah. In Hebrew it is li li la masa bastani in Arabic, Allah, Allah Allah Mata Ronnie, this is the name of God, which he worship Allah.

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He asked the Jehovah's Witnesses we have a lot of them. I understand the Scandinavian countries a lot more than anybody. They're full of life and vigor. The Jehovah's Witnesses, and they come to tell everybody they are Christians. They say they are Christians. And they say the rest of Christendom are pagans, missionaries, they say we are not saying

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they say that the name of God is Jehovah. I'm sure you must have

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asked the fellow next time you come across such people and also informing us as the fellow. Where did you get this with Jehovah from? He says in the Bible. So what does the Bible say in the Hebrew Bible in the original manuscript is the word Jehovah there

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and the guy will tell you,

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he will tell you, What is there? He will tell you if there is a tetragrammaton

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in English, he will tell you there is a tetragrammaton so what is the tetragrammaton?

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You know, I have come across doctors and lawyers, professors, Illinois University in America and asking them anybody here who knows what is the tetragrammaton And believe me, there was one not one lecture American who knew what it was as funny. every Tom, Dick and Harry among the Jehovah's Witnesses they know the word tetragrammaton and you don't

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know is a special word they have concocted invented tetragrammaton What is tetragrammaton? tetra means for incrementing the letters four letter word, then why don't you call a four letter word a four letter word. Why do you have to tantalize people with a 14 letter word to tell us tetragrammaton. When you say four letter word. Do you know why?

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Because in English, when you say the four letter word, it gives you another meaning.

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In my country, Lady Chatterley's lover a book. Lady Chatterley's lover was banned for 20 years because of one four letter word.

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I hope you can guess what I'm talking about. four letter word

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You understand if you don't ask your neighbor when the lecture is over, what is this four letter word?

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So what are those four letters? It says, Why is WH in Hebrew yet? Ha, ha? I said these are consonants. Why is why you can produce a sound. Without vowels. You can't produce a sound

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at the vowels, anyhow as you like.

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Whatever they do, they can never get a G maybe to get the J from Jehovah. Where did you get the J from J is another consonant. At the vowels it become Yahuwah. What is Yahuwah? Jah in Arabic and Hebrew means Oh, yah, hoo. In Arabic means he who in Hebrew means he Yahuwah means he who Elohim l in Hebrew means God. Allah in Hebrew means God, an alternative spelling, a law. It's in the Bible. This one here is by Schofield. JJ Scofield, Reverend Schofield, de de doctor of divinity back by nine other DVDs, DVDs.

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They tell us here, first book of the Bible Genesis, first chapter, first verse, it says, In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the word God has got a number have given you down, down in the commentary and I tell you, it's l Allah and also alternatively A l Ah, Allah.

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We are only telling the Christians look spell it as you like. But my language I want you to try to pronounce as you ought to pronounce. A l ay S is a law, not Allah. Say Say Allah, Allah. Say Allah, Allah, Allah. But you can write H but don't say Allah say, Allah, Allah. So

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Allah, Jesus claimed, Allah, Allah lamotta Oh my Allah, Allah, Allah, why have you forsaken me? This is the name of God. This is the God that Jesus worship is telling these people come, I will teach you how to pray is a pray like this.

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which has in heaven, yours and mine, including Judas. Judas was in the group, the traitor. He is the father of everybody the sinner. And the same means is the Lord cherisher sustainer evolver of everybody

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which art in heaven, not the father of Jesus Christ in heaven, our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Wait as he claimed exclusive claim to God Almighty, that he is his father, if he called him, my father, his before he said that the first time Look at the Gospel of St. Matthews. As soon as you start chapter one, verse one you start reading there, you will find the expression, your father, the father, your father, the father 13 times before one time he says my father, can you imagine 13 times he said God is your father

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13 times he says, Your father die time and singular. Your means more than one does he know people you tie your father your father 13 times before one time he said my father, but amazing people only see the one time and they will see the 13 come brothers Come let us reason together. And inshallah we will find a way of understanding each other's points of views. You don't have to be converted. You don't have to convert as we are going to convert you we can confer. Nobody can really find what this is in the hands of God. But at least we can understand each other's points of views. So you can move laterally.

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Shaykh ashmit deedat. He's a scholar.

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He's a learned man.

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I'm not a scholar.

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I've studied theology for eight years. But I'm not so

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clever in the scriptures as is Shaq as much data.

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we have come to karate this evening

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to meet each other

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and I'm not interested in

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convincing you to Christianity,

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trying to convert you.

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We worship

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the One God

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an athlete.

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Yes, precisely shown us where this God is crying out

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his name on the cross

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Allah Allah,

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we worship the same God.

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But we are different. We express ourselves in a different language.

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And Christianity is much more ancient than Jesus Christ.

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Because Christianity has taken from his

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a lot of rituals,

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the two sacraments,

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the Bible, in the New Testament,

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for us Protestant,

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the baptism,

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to be baptized to Jesus Christ to his death, in order to become rich directed with him,

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at the end of the days, because He will surely come to us, and lead us to the other side. This is our belief, he is our Savior.

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And because Christ is not

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created, like things like animals, he's created

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and is

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of the being of his father,

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Moses, he is in the wilderness, and

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his pasture in the goats and shapes.

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And then he sees a burning bush.

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And when he approaches, he heals a wife, saying to him,

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throw off your shows, this place is Holly.

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And then Moses asked,

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is speaking.

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And the voice says, I am.

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I am is sending you to follow to let my people go.

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And this holy name, which

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was forbidden for the Jews to pronounce, yes way Yahuwah.

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He is the God

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of our fathers,

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the Jews,

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the Christians, and the Muslims.

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This is the God who chose Abraham,

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and promised him

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people like the stars of the heaven

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and the sand at the sea. And so we are assembled here at big people

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count in millions

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that still will be multiplying itself.

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We have not yet reached the number of the stars and the sand of the seas. For 1000s of years, we are going to live

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and I should think that for 1000s of years, so different we are because we have a history which is soaked in blood.

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There has been a holy war between

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Christians, Muslims,

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and most of the time the Jews have been persecuted by the Christians. And I think also of the Muslims.

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But Christians and Muslims have been to fight for solutions, 1000 years

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it may go on

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this hate

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will continue.

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But there is another vision.

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There are visions that we shall assemble in Jerusalem, all of us and praise our Lord.

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I will now say something about

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the claims of being caught is Jesus, Scott.

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And I'll go back

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to the first when we hear of Jesus

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when he himself is speaking,

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in the

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New Testament, Gil,

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we hear Jesus as 12

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years of age in the temple of Jerusalem.

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And his father and mother

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has not been able to find him.

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And then after

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having looked for him in three days, they find him in the temple.

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And then

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this boy is sitting with the rapids, and

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the learned ones around him, and he's speaking with them.

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And they are dumbfounded by the wisdom.

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We'll watch

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how he addresses them.

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So Jesus chose himself for the first time as the master of the word.

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He was the living word of God.

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And when

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the mother of Jesus asks him,

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Why could you do this to us?

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He said to her,

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did you not know that I shall be in my father's house?

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My Father,

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Jesus repeats it again and again.

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My father,

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and the prayer where we come at most close to Jesus is where he learns us.

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The prayer

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Paternoster, what do you say in English?

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All our Lord's Prayer is our Lord's Prayer.

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And there he addresses God with Father. He says, like a boy, a child.

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And what he teaches us is to see the world like children, like the children we are

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because he went

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into God

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and he became

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God's Son, when he was baptized.

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Jesus is not sent

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to the world, that we shall be worshipping Him.

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In the church, we prostrate

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before the crucifix, but Jesus is not really there.

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He is not in the crucifix

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He does not say,

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worship me.

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He says, Remember me.

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And in the other sacrament we have in the church,

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the Holy Communion,

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we eat his body,

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and we drink his blood.

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And if this is horrible to you, then you must remember that this ritual goes back in ancient history, and is so much older than Christianity.

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And in this ritual, he gives himself toss.

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Because he had no other things to give,

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he was poor, but

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the Last Supper, he gives himself to the community, in order that they shall remember him.

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And then he says, when he arises to the heavens, don't look after me.

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Look at the ground at the people where you are.

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Because I will surely be where one or three of you cannot.

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And you may even need me

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in the man who needs you,

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who meets you

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in a hidden way, on the street, in the stranger?

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Because Jesus is not

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impressing to his church, and there is even a Christianity which is without a church.

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When Jesus

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asks his disciples

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who they think he is?

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And they don't know what to say, and he is expecting an answer, then Peter,

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he says, You surely is the living Christ, Messiah.

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And we have two reports,

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the scriptures,

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very often

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contradict each other, or say the things in a different way.

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And in one of the textures in San Mateo,

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Jesus praises Peter, because he said this to him, that he was Messiah, Messiah.

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In the other version, from St. Mark and St. Luke.

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says that they have to

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keep secret about it.

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They must not

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sell in the world, because this truth is hidden.

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I think Jesus was not sure

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about his,

01:08:58--> 01:08:59


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relation to God.

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He was wavering all the time long. And we hear him

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in different situations. And

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when he really is,

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trodden to the ground, he cries that God has forsaken him

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illegally lomasa patani on the cross.

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He was forsaken by God. He feared it.

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Jesus was in pains

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and in horrors, and in temptations, and he was thirsty.

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And he was sleeping.

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And he was desperate. And he became angry. And he suffered all the passions which a man

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In this world is suffering, because he was a true man.

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And he himself did not know

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if he was the son of God, or he was not only when he arrived at setaria Philippi and he asked his disciples, who

01:10:26--> 01:10:27

to people

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whom I am?

01:10:34--> 01:10:50

And then they said, Well, some say Alliance, some say they're respected, gentle Baptist. Some say exists, some say other things. Then he asked him, but

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who do you believe

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the Son of Man is?

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And then only Peter

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to courage and came with the confession, which is the Christian church.

01:11:13--> 01:11:13


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on this work of Peter

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triste wanted to build his church.

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And we have this we separate church, and churches, many of them in all disrobe all our all over the world.

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But this visible church is not alone, the Christian church

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the church is invisible,

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is spelt it where men meets another man

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and brotherhood

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evokes in their hearts.

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And he said, You shall love your fellow man, and not even that you shall even love your enemy.

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And this is the hardest task. This is difficult for every body of us.

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But if we were able to the world would change at once

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a long time,

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the secrets of Jesus.

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The church is full of secrets.

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Islam, there are not so many secrets, everything is plain. The Prophet Muhammad, he

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made a new religion.

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I read that he said, at the end, I think surah five. In this way I have made you religion, Islam, to follow.

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And naturally, you must love Muhammad,

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which your father's have told you about.

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And I think naturally, we must love in our

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culture, we must love Jesus, our brother,

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and whom we call our Savior,

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because he is the son of men, we say he is the one we beers in our heart, by our love.

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Because we love Him, we beat him in our heart. And when the time of our death is coming,

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we call for him.

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And then he comes from the inside of us,

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because he is so close in many way. He is the word himself, in which we address each other

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So I,

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01:15:05--> 01:15:07

what you had expected

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01:15:14--> 01:15:14


01:15:15--> 01:15:16


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say Jesus is caught.

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He is the greatest lover of this world, because he was able to love

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men from here, so the end of the world.

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And I think there is a truth in,

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in the death

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on the cross,

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there is a hidden truth.

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I know it is abhorrent to Muslims, and it is also horrid very often for us to think that this

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So, exceptional man, this, this lover, this filled with spirit and wisdom, that he should hang on the cross.

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We cannot understand

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how God could suffer

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because he wouldn't suffer, that he's smiling. Your fourth hour was killed or Isa

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when Abraham he wanted to slaughter his son,

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but he suffered it when

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Jesus from Nazareth, he was killed.

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And I'm claiming that

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the Prophet, he

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loved also Jesus,

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Jesus, Isa is still to Mohammed.

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we have come into the family

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different roads,

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Muhammad, he tells you the way to go, Jesus, He says that the road is narrow.

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So you have to go to pass through your own self.

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So, when he did die on the cross, he was not dying to

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show us an example, that we should do the same thing as he, he showed us that we could be raped

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the since

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he took

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it upon him.

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He said, I and the fellow we are one

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one in the spirit.

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And in this way

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he is it seems that he

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goes into the throne of God and takes it I and got

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we are one

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in the Spirit

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because they're speaking from the same spirit.

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And I think now awkward, t that he put questions to me.

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And he said

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now you have to choose what is truth and what is lie.

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One of us must be lying.

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And one is telling the truth.

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I think this is not so

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very strict. This who is speaking truth. Who is lying? Well, the words they

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are spoken and you have to win.

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Receive it, and you receive it in the spirit and the traditions that you are learning into.

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We are not worshipping a book.

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This is not what we believe in

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the spirit is what we are looking for. And

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asked me at that, he told it

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what Jesus says to the Samaritan woman,

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that the true children of God, they do not worship here and there.

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But they are worshiping in spirit and wisdom.

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And it is what we shall do in the future.

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There have been wars between us, that has been hate.

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Blood has been spilled for

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centuries, but there has also been love

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amongst us,

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because we have learned from each other,

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we will

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never be able to pay back what we got from the Arab world, Europe, when the Arabs, they

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had the texts of the philosophers, the Greek philosophers, philosophers, philosophers, and we got so much stimulation from the Arab world.

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And the time

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was, at a certain time, because

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war was not always raging

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in the south of Spain,

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the Cathedral of Toledo, they are the Muslim they pray to Allah.

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On Friday,

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the Jews, they did it

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in the same church

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on Saturday, and the Christians, they had their service on Sundays.

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I think this is a beautiful vision of the children of Abraham, living together

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in peace and brotherhood.

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It took only 100 year.

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So make new world wars, and the Christians are much to blame. Because they

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started a lot of wars with the Crusades.

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So our hands are soaked in blood. We have

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killed each other off.

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This could be also the future for the next 1000 years.

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I have another vision

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here for

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Denmark in Copenhagen. I should want my church Holy Cross, likely considered in Toledo in 100,000 years. They'll be Muslims on Fridays and

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Jewish service on Saturdays and the Christians singing in the Sundays.

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we will look

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on the heavens. Maybe we have forgotten something. We are wondering, but the star world is ours. So we now have a little processing and then

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there'll be questions to be answered.

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Thank you very much

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for his vision for the future.

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That would be quite interesting.

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a according to the original language, we'll have a chance

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to comment on some of the things that Larry fox said and as we are ahead of schedule, I think we could easily take that also now before a short break.

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Mr. Chairman,

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Pastor, Eric Bach

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has shown his humility as a true Christian.

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He was not out to push Jesus guys down our throats as God.

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He didn't try to do that.

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Christians good Christians like these are being described

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in chapter five, verse 85, God Almighty, He says, well, it didn't occur about Nevada

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the nearest in faith to the believers, without find those who say, Aruna masala, that we are Christians, the nearest to the Muslims in faith without fine those who say that we are Christian.

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Allah Xena, Ferdinand masala, Lika,

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Sina Babu, Barnum, one is for among them. Among these Christians, among them, there are men devoted to learning

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men who have renounced the world. And they are not

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such an example we do find even in our midst today, I think we should give

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this translation

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these volumes are available to Muslims and non Muslims. Each and every one of us we owe it to ourselves. Muslim, we must know our own faith. And what can be better than the book of authority, the Quran,

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the non Muslim, whether you want to know about Islam, or you want to fight the Muslims, there is no better weapon than the Quran. If you want to fight the Muslims, here is the book, you don't understand him better and tolerated. This is the book. So from either point of view, we everybody owes it to himself or herself to have access to this book of God.

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If I go to the verse I created this man, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, he comments.

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It says, The meaning is not that they really call themselves Christians. There are over 1000 200 million such people who fill up census forms taking off as Christian Christian Christian, this is no not that.

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The meaning is not that they merely call themselves Christians, but they are such sincere Christians that they appreciate Muslim virtue. When you explain to them that we Muslims, we are taught, don't touch, alcohol, don't gamble, don't be promiscuous. Discipline is a fast way. All this when the good Christians he hears is you are good people. They admitted that you people are good people your religion is good. If only you had Jesus Christ, all of you would be angels walking this earth. The only thing lacking is that you haven't got Christ, that's all. But otherwise, they do recognize Muslim Brotherhood, piety, charity, sobriety, we are not angels. We also have a lot of black sheep

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in our myths, like any other religious group, that as a people as a whole, in my country and boasting and nobody ever contradicts with the Muslims or South Africa, we say that we have the lowest alcoholic consumption. We have the lowest gambling rate in the country. We have the lowest suicide rate in the country. We have the lowest prison rate in the country, and we have the highest charity rate in the country. And nobody can

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question that you people are good people. This is what says that you are. This is a Christians that they appreciate Muslim virtues as they ever senior ones.

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treaties went during the persecution that they would say, these Christians, they will say, it is true we are Christians. But we understand your point of view. That's all. We want them to say. We understand your point of view. And we know you are good many Sunday translates to translate in the commander says, they are Muslims at heart.

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They are most whatever the label will be, is a label that's carrying that separating as dividing the innocent. But now there are Muslims as hard and as such good Christians living today, as Allah says, men whom will Mina among them are good people who will fasten, but the majority of them we know like the Jehovah's Witnesses, they come and knock at our doors, they want to make messes on our heads.

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There are people like that, but they are among the Jews and the Christians. I mean,

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other people, what sort of Mufasa

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with regards to the debate

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with regards to the debate,

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Pastor, you know, made a statement that made my heart to flicker a bit. He used the quotation from the Bible, where he says, I and My Father are once

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quoted, I'm a father of one. So here goes again, because I have been asked him, Christian,

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when I say there is not a single state

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unequivocal statement, clear statement in the Bible, where Jesus says, and God witnesses wishes, or where it says me and God Almighty, I wanted the same thing. So some Christian

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reminds himself, he remembers his mystical. He says, No, he did say what that

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means. And

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so I thought, nah, here goes, but generally, my experience, whenever you ask the person, any time any question tells you either one means this one

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is the person what is the context?

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And believe me, in 40 years, I didn't come across a single learned Christian, dd or Bishop or one who could give me the context. In what sense? Does he say that?

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So what you have to do, anytime anybody throws anything achieved, what you do is go and look it up. My booklets are available. Guys in Islam.

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what the Bible says about Mohammed, Mohammed, the natural successor to Christ, Muhammad, the greatest is the Bible balls, who crucifixion or crucifixion, all these are there to allow you to carry out the discussion that you may promote this time, don't be waiting, sitting tablet sitting. Wherever you go into the world, waiting for the people to come along and use you as a punching bag. You want to come and Miss make a mess in your head don't allow that to happen. arm yourself that you can reason with them. Call them home for a cup of tea. And the Pakistanis especially I don't know about the Arabs, you know what nice nice things they have, you know, that you can do with it? I

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don't know. But the Pakistani I know that the budget has and the solutions, you know, and I tell you this, but yes, in some cases can enslave anybody I

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call them home, your members, their families, come home, you know you have a birthday for a child or some big occasion. any excuse give them home. Give them the tree and the branches under some sauce, your Korean rice and you see what it does to the to the Vikings, whatever they were at one time, but I was carrying rice and

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you know,

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you can you can

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come home after tea. Little Live Chat. He says Do you know we believe in Jesus?

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Yes, yes. Because they don't know what you see. They don't they're terrified of us. They don't know why everybody's a feminist. Everybody's a fundamentalist. You're out to bomb people and kill people. Well, we are very peaceful people who are you know, and but they don't know. say this. Yes, we are. inferiority complex. Maybe we are getting out of the way hiding away. So they think these guys are up to some mischief. Allah will

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call them home. Talk to them, show them the Quran, show them the birth of Jesus open Surah Al Imran Chapter Three Isaiah number 42 really to them and let them be for themselves. Let them the Quran what it says this means that he

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Is my life at Yama, Yama, behold, the angel said, Oh, Mary, in the law stefanki or the hierarchy was the fact

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that Allah has chosen you purified you choosing the about the women of all nations, marry the mother of Jesus, she's given such an honor in the Holy Quran, that honor is not to be forgiven to marry the mother of Jesus, even in the Christian Bible.

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Let them see with their own eyes. This is not we're trying to curry favor with you, because we are your case, we have come here, because this country offers us opportunities we do not find in our Motherland, therefore we have come, we are prepared to put our way and share and see that this country prospers, but we have something new to give them our labor. And that is we have a way of life we want to share with you to show you that this is going to solve your problems, your problems of alcoholism, drunkenness, your problem of illegitimate children of incest, what I'm reading now, what an understanding that in the Scandinavian countries, incest is at its highest rate.

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Men with the old edition, and they have just like to pass a law that was going on for 1000s of years. But now they just passed a law against incest, man in his own child, his own daughter.

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And the punishment of course, they're very, very kind and gentle people, you know, to use

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the guise of

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anybody who is a Muslim, whatever, this is what you do to your own child.

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You wish that any any animal owner, you are a parasite, you should be destroyed. Now, of course, they have a training Hi, merciful, gentle. Now we say no, this is very, very sounds very good. You people are really kind and compassionate. But look, this is not the law. God Almighty gives you a law. He says the adulterer and the adulterous must be stoned to death. I'm not saying that. This is the Holy Bible says, Why aren't you prepared to live by your wife? This is what the Holy Bible says Book of Leviticus. The adulterer and the adulterous must be stoned to death.

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But of course, you're gone nice and soft. You don't want to implement the most important.

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But you're suggesting to you that this human animal, this is the only language that he understands. Let him give him what he understands.

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Your compassion? Yes, with the week in the press, yes, but parasites, you have to treat them as parasites. So Islam gives you solution to all your problems, your problem of surplus women. By God every Western nation has a surplus of women, as if God is only to take revenge on them.

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As if God wants to take revenge. America has 7.8 million women more than men, if every man in america got married, will be 7.8 million women who can get husbands

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then have the manpower they have 25 million gay sodomites another 25 million women can't get husbands.

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Can you imagine the mysteries are in the prison population 98% of men. I said you have a problem. And it's getting compounded by the second.

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Britain 4 million more women than men in Germany 5 million more women than men, Russia 7 million more women than men

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offering solutions.

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The solution to your problem. If you don't happen to God's remedy, then you simmer in your soup. That's all we have to educate them. As soon as there is a type of man that

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says there is a type of man among the Danes and the Swedes who's prepared to take on extra responsibility. And there is a type of woman who doesn't mind sharing her husband.

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But you're gonna come in the way

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you Western as according to your brainwashing, you're gonna come in but you do not come in the way of the sort of I don't know why. The most unnatural thing you'd allow and the natural thing you know, we're not forcing it down your throat. We are only trying to reason with you that this is a solution to your problem. If you laugh at me, I said the laugh is on you.

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You are literally to the Americans when I was there, literally I said you are going to the doctors and I repeated again and again as literally you are going to the doctor. Islam is offering a solution to the problem of race Islam answers help surplus women answers your problems. So what is it system Let us share finances.

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So people who choose official

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we are asked to call them which we

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We haven't gone for 1000 years. That's why we are in a mess now, simply because we are not doing our job.

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Allah says

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that we come to common terms as between us and you let us get onto a common platform. Come, let us talk, let us have a tight man, that's what matters is the Quran. And the Bible also says the same Come let us reason together, which we have been doing tonight. And this type of meetings, gatherings, small groups, big groups, it should happen all the time. Let us share our feelings, our faith with the others, let them see, let them agree to disagree. There is no harm done. But it is this and I can see how your minds are working me to say we want to know how your minds are working. So we also become more tolerant. So I'm looking forward to the pleasure and the privilege of

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ministers meetings as we

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around information before I said that we will have a short break. That is not according to the truth. I hope you will forgive me for pulling your legs.

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Because we will go straight on to the questions, I will invite the first questions that come to the microphone.

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Thank you.

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Let me present myself as a pastor on the Capitol guard.

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And I'm thankful for full for the fair way that you try to open the discussion.

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Although I put

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I would like to have

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heard you understand the context. In so many of these places, I will not go into many details. Just one

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Have you not heard this context of the word I and the Father is one

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that this is called.

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And talk to the Jews try to explain them step by step slowly.

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What he's trying to tell them, because it was just as hard for us to understand.

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what he was trying to tell us about himself, as it is for you.

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Because God is one.

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It took his disciples, two and a half years to understand that at the same time, he could say, I am both.

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I am also God, although I am a man.

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He was human Yes. And God.

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And when he said

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I and the Father is one

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that us stone him wanted to stone him at least

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they understood perfectly well. That he may claim to be God with these words, just as he did with the words

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before Abraham was, I am.

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Have you not heard this context before?

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That is actually what I was referring to see, the Christian to me is reading out of context.

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What you have given me is the text. JOHN, Chapter 10, verse 13, that is a text.

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Me, please don't waste time. Context means that text that goes with it before or after.

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And I have been asking learned Christians, what is the context in English speaking people?

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What is the context? And nobody seems to understand that Simple English of mine. I said what you quoted is the text on the text that goes with it. So they will open the book. Please keep the book.

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If you know

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what you are talking about, then you ought to know what the context a

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what is the context?

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Look, I don't embarrass you. Because I know people get embarrassed. What is the context the texture

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booted without opening the book as you might remember, in what sense Did he say that

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in the sense that he was gradually revealing himself, this was what was so hard to understand. Some people they accept it some rejected and got angry, because they understood

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and nobody can say, I enterprise is one

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without being either a fool or be true.

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You see, so what you are doing now, you are giving an explanation. What I was asking for is the context. Let me show you what I what I explained what I mean, context, study number 23 what you could have was 30 Let's start with 23 tests upon text.

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It reads, and Jesus, if you like to open the book, if you like to have a look at it 23 and Jesus walked in Solomon's porch,

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john 1023

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and Jesus walked in Solomon's porch, meaning in the temple of Jerusalem, he's walking, he's alone. Jesus, not as his disciples is alone. Then came the Jews around about him, meaning they surrounded him.

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Because this man, Jesus mighty messenger of God, he was provoked by the Jews. And he he criticized them very, very strongly. He says, You generational wipers, your white as separate tells you fools, You wicked and adulterous generation, You brood of snakes. And the Jews are not the people to forgive you for that. We know that they are unforgiving people.

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So now they have their own time they have an opportunity.

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They have an opportunity that here is a man he's alone. Let's give him a good bashes.

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You know, he's been putting his name. So they surround him. And they say,

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how long does that make us to doubt? Is that the the question is plainly

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how long that means that brandishing a finger in this nice face is how long you're gonna make us to doubt. If you are a Christ, tell us plainly man. In other words, you're talking ambiguously, you're not putting forth your claim clear enough. That's the education.

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So Jesus says, I told you, and you believe

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it's a lie. You're agreeing with me that I didn't tell you, I told you, and you believe the work that I do in my father's name, they be witness of me, and my she hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me and I given to them eternal life, and they shall never perish. My was 20 My Father has given me is greater than all and no man is able to pluck them out of my father said, neither shall any men pluck them out of my hand was 29 was 30. I'm a father of one. That is the context meaning that once a person is accepted faith, God sees trees that he remains in faith and I as a teacher as a master ICT that they remain in faith. We are both one in this to see that demand

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remains in a not in omnipotence, not in omissions, that he is the

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one in this to see the commandments and faith. But the Jews were looking for trouble.

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Look, they're out for a fight. And there is a saying that if you're looking for trouble, you don't have to go very far you're getting around the corner.

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You're looking for trouble.

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Before the twinkling of an eye you are in it if you're looking for trouble. So the Jews were looking for trouble. So they picked up stones again to stone he was 31.

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So Jesus says many good words ever showed you from my father, for visual those will be stone me.

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So they say for a good work we stone the knot, but for blasphemy because the thought being a man makers and so the god

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that's the context. What does Jesus say to that? You see, the first false charge was that he was talking immediately

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correct. That he was not putting for this claim clear enough? This is you talking in big Come on, man. Tell us if you are the Christ tell us plainly museum and really plainly. That's the first false charge. Second charge. You have not lost when

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you're claiming to be God when you are a man. What is the answer? He says, He says, Look, if I'm gonna say I'm God, you say to Mr. De Dahlia, the lecturer said yes. Why should I feel very good? Why must I beat around the bush? You didn't say yes. Your electrical system. I said yes. Why should I start beating around the bush? If I am

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so he said they say you are black.

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What does Jesus say to that? He says, Is it not written in your law?

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in the Torah law, the word law, the law, in English in Hebrew is taught, is it not written in your law in your law is fantastic. It's also his law. Because you said, Matthew chapter five, verse 17, things not that I've come to destroy the law of the prophets and come not to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, heaven and earth shall pass away. But one job of wanting to sell, you know, was asked on the law to all be fulfilled, is also his law, practices. Your law is a custom. In other words, you have to know in your book, like somebody said, Look, in your Bible, sir, you know, that is in your in your Bible?

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Is your Bible? Is it not in your law, and he comes from the 82nd song.

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I said, the gods is a petition. I said, the gods is quoting from the 82nd sound that God speaks to the Jews says, Behold, he

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and all of you are the children of the Most High.

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There's a petition in others is quoting from the 80 sentence and that this is our language. When we talk like that. The English man is talking about the magistrate the judge is me, Lord, me, Lord me law who's my Lord, my lord might say, My God, my God, witnesses me longer does he mean, respected, respected, respected, recording law, by law, my law is not important, not important. That is your language, in Afrikaans, in Afrikaans, I don't know how close it is, to your Danish language. Though, the white man's language, they say in Afrikaans and quoting from the book of Isaiah, this is EC is the human. And that is stain halen, bacon many.

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I am God, the Word there is he here, here it means God, Lord, but it means God in Africans language. Here, it's here. I don't know whether you have something like that in your language.

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I am God, and there is no savior besides me. But in Africa, the word is here, God, I am born. This was a hot rod. And here means Lord, meaning God.

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So man in South Africans in the language, but I go to one of our cities, you look at me, brother, brother, brother, brother, I go one of two our cities, where this Africans is the predominant language, and I go to the toilet, and is dama de de they pronounce Dharma, and

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Dharma ladies here, but this door here, there's another door, there is no No, no.

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This year is not here is here. You couldn't hear me means gentlemen, but in the Bible here and means God, as a pilot for God's in South Africa.

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The genius of the language, genius and the language, so Jesus is reminding them, is it not written in your law? I said, God, if he, God Almighty, called them gods, unto him the Word of God.

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In the book of Exodus, God speaks to Moses as the whole, I have made you a god to Pharaoh. And according I have made you a god to Pharaoh. And Alan, that doesn't mean a prophet. Is he God? Is Moses God, that that's what's written in the Bible says. So in other words, this is the genius of our language. We talk like that. But you don't need that. Is it not written in your law? I said, Yeah, God, He called on God, and to whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken means you can contradict me. The scripture cannot be broken, you can contradict what I'm telling you. That's what Jesus told the Jews, you can contradict me what I'm telling you, say of him, Father

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sanctified and sent into the world that are blasphemous, because I said, I'm the son of God. In other words, nothing man. Look, if a man is called God, you take no exception to that. Why do you think exception to me when I say I'm the son of God, that is when he studied, because God has got sons by the,

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by the times in the Bible, he's got sons by the 10th. So this is how his reasoning is, if he was going to serve and God so what else can I say? Nothing of the kind. In this context, it is not what you understand. That is what is a thumb, let us reason together. You don't have to accept my explanations

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that give me a here is why

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You have to say, I will explain. Okay, the next question.

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Next question.

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Before you ask the Chairman, I think he failed to explain that it should be as fast as possible even try one question for D there, and one for the past, one for D that one for the faster.

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But nobody has any question for the faster, then you can carry on. But we should be fair to both the speakers, one for me.

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I'll start by asking our respective get a guest, Eric B. Bach, if Jesus is God, and I mean God in inverted commas, how will you describe Adam, as we know, is a human without mother and father? Why don't you also describe him as God? If you are consistent in your proclaims, this was a question for you and to our

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one at a time, good.

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Day says,

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an Islamic proverb, I think I've heard it

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and remember it so greatly.

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It is about a father and son, son in the Arab world,

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the father, he shall see.

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The sun shall cease to follow,

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the ancestor of Adam, through his father.

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during the times he comes back to Adam,

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and Adam, was

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created by God. He, he saw

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Jesus who created Adam,

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God, the Father, God the Father, he created Adam, and in this way,

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in this way, the son is in connection with God, because

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Adam is created in the,

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like the father, like the form of the Father. Yeah. But why don't you call him a God also?

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Why don't you call Adam, a God, or kind of a god? When he when you call Jesus Christ, I got a son of God? Why is this difference between them? Because Adam was, as we know, created without a father or mother. So why don't you call him a God also.

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We have one father in the heavens, and we call him God. But I didn't end my problem through through the sun. When the father sees his son, he sees God to him, because

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forward in the future,

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the sun is the connection with Doomsday.

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So I saw this very clever, this Islamic proverb. And so it shows us a family

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of the family of God, God's children.

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Now that will come many questions for boards, I see a line and there's a pile of papers. And

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I'm glad that one of my colleagues is here on a common goal. The the man in the red is my colleague from Nebraska, and now and then I'll call him to assistance I may also call and a friend

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profit called Eric to assistance maybe better. So go on and

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hit out.

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This next question should be next questioner and it should trigger to be cautious of material. So it is a one question for

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question four.

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My name is burn moment.

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ceramidin Assalamu alaikum

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supervised my question I like to remind you,

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you made a statement about Jesus SLR Salaam that we Muslim should not wait for him.

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Can you clarify this, please? And tell us about Is he coming or not?

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I don't think I said anything tonight about don't wait for Jesus. Did I say anything like that tonight?

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But what he's referring to is, do I believe that Jesus Christ is coming? I said, Yes. Tell me, what is going to come and do as I don't need. I personally, I don't need it. I got everything that I want, again, is given to me.

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Should he come?

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He can teach you the Sharia. He can tell you a lot. Margaret is a three MC four, you can sell his two sons.

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And he can do that finish. So what can you come and teach me nothing.

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This is a lesson to look at this day has affected for you in religion.

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And I've completed my favorite one to you was the silicone Islamic DNA in a way that is contrary to your religion.

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Then what

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is needed, what not is needed, but not by as the Christians needed. You see, they have now made him into a god. So in the Gospel of St. Matthew, in the Bible,

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says Many will say to me on that day when it comes the second

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Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord,

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meaning God, God, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesied in tiny, and in tiny customer service, and you will die? They do many mighty works? Who's doing all these things? Muslims, Muslims casting out devils in the name of Jesus? Are they performing miracles in the name of Jesus? Are they getting hospitals? and looking after the lepers in the name of Jesus? Are they know who's doing them? The Christian? So Jesus is going to talk to the Christians. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, God, did we not prophesied in Thailand and in Thailand? is an indictment do many mighty works, Jesus, then will I profess unto them, then I will tell them

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I never knew Get away from me that work iniquity.

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This, you are doing all these things in the name of Jesus Christ.

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He says Get away. I don't even know. This is what he's come to do. He said, You have gone off the track. Instead of worshipping God the Father in heaven. You start bull*ting me, therefore, nevermind what miracles you perform. You are not of me Get away, is needed, but is needed by the

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question that

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I'm addressing you.

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kindly tell me,

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if Lord Jesus during his lifetime, did he ever say that he is the Son of God himself? Did he ever say,

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quote authority from the Bible?

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Yes, I refer to this question, a Kesava Philippi, where Jesus asks his disciples, who do you think I am? And then Peter proclaims, you are? the living Christ, the Word of God. So there he proclaims himself. God. And now I don't catch the point where you say that preacher says that you are caught. I say you did not. You did not listen to my question. My question is, did Lord Jesus Himself say with his own mouth, that he is the Son of God? That is a question.

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Quote from Bible priests.

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They say that maybe I should call my my colleague Pastor undercabinet goal, because I'm not so clever. And a Capricorn he may come forward

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there's a

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better microscope in the strip's

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I'm not

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know Jesus hymns, we do not have these words. That is clear.

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But Jesus was a very good pedagogic and he knew that it took a long time for people to understand what he was trying to tell. So he had to try to use three years to tell his closest friends. And even they had difficulty in understanding. He had to reveal it step by step.

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The person who is racist, racist under the name of Eric Nyah, and, and believing up in a Christian Christ in society in Denmark, but this society has declared me insane. It means letter, the things that I got no consciousness.

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But in fact, I've discovered that I got another level of consciousness. And for me, that's not only one way of looking at the world,

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you must know from which consciousness you're speaking, because every consciousness has got its own definitions, its own limits. And therefore, I think it's very difficult to speak about the heaven, experience of having out from a book,

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because you can read a description of the heaven in a book, but it's not the experience of heaven.

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And therefore, I will ask

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your jag Akhmad deedat have the possibility of

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agreeing in that there is

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there is different levels of consciousness, that to know what God is, you must have the same consciousness as God, to know what is son of man, you must have the same consciousness of as Son of Man has got. And that also, that the consciousness of God, it is the highest consciousness.

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But the consciousness of Son of Man, it's like it's a little it's a little lower, but it's not different. It is just a little polluted. But it affects the,

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the very, inner with it is the same level you can say like this, the sun and the fall, it's same because it's the same in the mean of consciousnesses.

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Although it was a bit too high, it was a bit too high. For me, too crass.

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For me,

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Santa Monica,

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the question it will be for Mr. Arif book. I want to know, as you said, that we drink the blood of Jesus, and we eat from his body as he was crucified, do you think or From where have you drink his blood or the piece from from his body? And you share it in the church? As you know, it is God are other people think he's got?

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As I understood, you asked me how the body and the blood of Christ can multiply through centuries. He said that we share and we drink we eat from the body of Jesus. Yes, and has as he was.

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He was the rise of heaven, then from where you drink his blood and his peace

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from what you eat,

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to the question

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in this

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but because we eat the flesh of the air, and the plot of the rice in Christ, Jesus doesn't speak in the desire it doesn't speak in the year.

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Jesus doesn't speak in the air.

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He does not speak in in the air in the air is often

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You can often

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he speaks through His Word, and the Word is the body of the Spirit. So in this way we

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perceive is what stars.

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I know that the communion, the eating of the flesh and the blood of Christ is a horrible thing for Muslims.

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It could be for some Christians to fit. In this way, we have a living remembrance of Christ rising among us. And when the pastor in the church, he lifts up the bread

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and the wine, then we believe that Christ comes in our midst. And he is among us, not only invisible, but also in a visible way, like a sign.

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So, this is our belief, and you cannot swallow it. But so it is, as you said, as you said, that, in the church, we share the blood. Do you think if Jesus still alive? Do you think you still drink from his blood and his body? Yes, he's still alive. He's still among us. And he is, he comes from the inside of us, from our hearts.

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Then how come the people can drink the blood of God? As they said, Jesus is God incarnate or the Son of God incarnate? How come we can drink the body? Is

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the body the blood of God? How can you drink it? Because this is a ritual, we have a ritual, which goes back into history, which is pagan in origin, when there was made great sacrificial eating eatings. And we were eating the flesh of the sacrifices. Now, Christ, he has made the last sacrifice for us. And we remember him in this way in our church

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has been fully answered.

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We could move on to the next question.

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Actually, I have a question to Mr. For fat no is law and regulation I must ask the question to me. How and when, and God a common Bible, when it is given a name of Bible when the original name but

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the question was, that originally, the books that were given by God Almighty, were like, for example, in jail to the Salish Allah, how has it become the Bible? Is that the Christian?

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You see, the trouble is with most of us, the Muslims. We don't know what the Christian is talking about. He sees the word Bible. Bible means a book.

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And he says that in the Arabic Bible, which they produced, this Al Kitab, look at this. That is what they call this book. The Holy Book is our people out of ignorance. They say the Torah. This is a, this is in G. They don't say that. But we are putting words into their mouth to tell us this is for our this is, this is in G. They don't say that. This is Al Kitab, and others in Arabic, Al Qaeda, look at this in the Bible. That is what they say. So why don't you call it

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when I'm talking to people in the Arab world, when at times they won't see me 10 years translation. So the man is there standing side by side with another mic, and I say, the subject is what the Bible says about 200.

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And the men translate but the Torah in Arabic I can follow. The Torah says about Mohammed. I didn't say Torah, as the Bible says, but the in G, I said, I didn't say inhale, I said, Bible. This is an unfortunate part is our people we don't know that this is not the Torah. This is not the eg This is not the Zaku Why don't you call it what they call it? In the Arabic Bible, they say, Al Qaeda, the God of the Old Testament, and the New Testament, that is what they say. You say, when you say Torah, therefore you just tie yourself up unnecessarily. So the thing is, the Bible is not the Torah is not the engine. We believe that God Almighty revealed

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His messages to Jesus Christ and that message what he revealed is the injury but what they're giving us is the Gospel according to St. Matthews, you retain the advocate Bible is in jail a man named Matthew in jail a Marquez in jail, a Lucas in the ingenia yohanna. Right. We are believing in Zilla Isa, there is no such thing. But now you start grappling with it engine is not telling you in Zilla Marcus is this is the engine of Mars, or Matthew or Luke or john, why don't you stick to that? So we are trying to run too fast when we shouldn't be just walking. Okay.

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Assalamu alaikum My question is very simple. Who killed Jesus?

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God allowed this to happen because there was a purpose.

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they sentenced him to death.

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But they were not allowed themselves to carry out that sentence because they were occupied by the Romans. So the Romans were involved also.

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But I will say,

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even you and I are killing Jesus whenever we are doing against the will of God.

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But how can

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how can you say that? God allowed it to be killed when he was God Himself.

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I would like to die I would like to kill myself.

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If I was a Jesus, if I could say myself, once you do it out of love for you and me, it was the only way he could take away all the wrongdoings of human times.

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Where in the world that type of logic exists, I would like to know

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the answer you Yes. In the lecture, which St. Paul wrote to the Philippians chapter two, from the six to 11, I have to read that

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letter to the Philippians.

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It is I think that's the number four cause letters.

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Chapter Two, from verse six.

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Let me read it in in English.

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This might be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus,

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of keeping peace, that is the context.

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He who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery, to be equal with God,

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but made himself of no reputation and took upon himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.

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And being found in the passion as a man, He humbled Himself

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and became obedient unto tests, even tests of the cross. Wherefore God has also highly exalted Him and giving him a name which is above every name,

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that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth. And every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father, but he humbled himself in order to take upon himself what writing was upon you and me.

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Back God racing from the day

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it was not defeat when he died.

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Although look like that, but he was hiding his glory. Exactly. Because then show the most intense love of the world.

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Where does that type of love exists in the world today?

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Do your own child for the sake of rest of the family slope? Where does it exist? If Jesus has practiced it in his life, it must be set example for us, we must also follow. But where does it exist? He is the only will have seen

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that type of launching,

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excuse me?

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These questions seem to take quite lengthy answers, and even some of the questions tend to develop into more questions as we go along. So, in order to put a time limit, we should maybe say that, we have two more questions, because we're already closing in on nine o'clock.

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So, two more questions, please.

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I get a story from Eric a little

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He said, Moses, Moses,

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he had seen the fire in the jungle in heaven, he had to go to see the fire.

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Then when he got there, he hear the sound of God. And he said, the God said to Moses, take your shoes off.

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Because you're in a holy place. My question is,

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why is you Christian, when you're in church, you never take the shoot of.

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I never thought about it, why we don't take off the shoe shows, really.

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But in our church, we are not considering the temple, the church as a holy place, that we have to take off our our shows,

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because we believe that the word is sanctifying, the church, it is only the word which make the church

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The Invisible church visible. And so we have it in our rituals. But I am glad you mentioned the words of Messiah.

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Because he heard the first revelation of the being of God.

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Jesus, his.

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Again, and again, he says, I am, I am, I'm the buyer, and I'm the

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I'm the way I'm the truth, I'm the life, I'm the door. So in this way, is identifying with God and revealing God from God's innermost being.

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And in this way, also, if I may, mentioned, Eric noia, who he was talking about the consciousness of the Son of Man, and

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Chicago, da, da, that he could not really grasp the signification, it was too high. And

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we do not have the consciousness of Christ, we,

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you will have to become like a child to enter the kingdom of heaven says Christ. And in this way, like becoming a child, emptying yourself, you, you can experience the kingdom of God, which is experience. It is his words, more or less.

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I'd like to ask a question. But I'd like to have a right answer first from you. Because in the beginning, you said that when Jesus was talking when he was 12 years old, he said, I am in the house of my father.

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And you said he's got son

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when he was 12 years old. And then you said again, after that, when he was crucified, he was in pain, horror, suffer, because in true, he didn't know if he his son of God or not.

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So it was two points. You said that when he was 12 years old, you said that, you know, that is God's Son. And then you said when he was crucified, he was failing. And then because he didn't truly

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You know that if he is the Son of God or not, and then your fellow come and says that it is not he is not a son of God, He is God. So I would like to have a straight answer from you first. So I can ask my question, Do you know him? Or do you consider him as a son of God? Or do you consider him as a god? If you answer me, I give them a question. Because I feel it's little bit very much different than each other, and against each other, the two of you.

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So tell me what you believe in. And then I will ask my question.

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I believe Jesus is God, and the Son of God,

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then he is the son, he is the Son of God, and in the same time, he is the father. And the same time he came to this

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what do you want to say stem because I like to ask a question. So tell me what you believe in.

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We say both of us, that Jesus is God.

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Part of the tree Yun God, and at that he is the Son of God, we do not say that he is the father.

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The Father is not the son. The son is not just spirit. Spirit is not the father.

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It is too big for my mind to think that he is free. And still one Shockley wants to say that you believe in Trinity? Yes, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Okay, then my question is not to you. My question now will be to Mr. Jeter, because he explained this point before many times and is better to explain it to you and your fellow better than me, please explain that to them.

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See, the Holy Quran tells us

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to tell them?

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Well, I

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don't say Trinity. In this topic.

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In number

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four, your God is one God is not the in one. And this is the evidence we have from the Bible.

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This person, the Trinity, you have a game, that Bible of yours. That is the King James Version, the English one, and then your Danish one is also based on the King James Version.

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This is not

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Now, there you find it in the first episode of john chapter five, verse seven,

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first epistle of john, chapter five, verse seven.

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First Epistle of john, chapter five, verse seven.

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Where it says, four there are three that may recall in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are 1am. I correct, sir.

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The three witnesses, the spirit and the water and the blood and dinner free agree. Right now, that is the Revised Version of the Bible

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that we're now the King James version that is a revised version. Okay.

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Similar, no, no, he was using the Danish one that may be based on the revised version. Here is a revised version,

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then that 32 scores are the highest evidence backed by 50, operating denominations of Crusader. And that verse is not thrown out as a fabrication.

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That that was that

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actually was a marginal note made by certain visions of taxes in the sixth century, for his own interpretation of a student. And that were the people were given for printing those words into the main text. So they have not been thrown out as a fabrication.

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In the Revised Standard with every model, translation of facts, translation, New World Translation, revised version, revised version, they're all thrown out.

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That this is not about

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them. You see, you go to this man who said, The Master Jesus

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the Gospel of St. Mark,

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chapter 19. I'm sorry, Mark, chapter nine was taught. You build this out, and Joe comes to him and questions in the master. What commandment is the first of all,

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You remember the sex master in the Hebrew language?

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First of all, and Jesus answers and says that to him. The first is, you remember that? The first is in Hebrew, he must have spoken in Hebrew is people, Shama is Robbie.

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Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one that

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Jesus Christ is question, what commandment is the first of all, and Jesus answered, the Jewish learned man scribe.

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First is, here is I, the Lord our God, the Lord is one, not three in one. That was, if he came to preach Trinity, he should have said, you see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, we are one you have to believe in that if you want to be saying,

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he repeats word for word, what is given by Moses 1300 years before without the chain of attack, not one job, or one critical, essential part of the law, they all be.

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Whosoever there was a break one of these these commandments, so shall we call the heaven, Whosoever shall teach and do shall be concrete. So the teaching of Jesus He never taught you that the Father is God, the son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, but they have not really got one God, no, nowhere in the Bible, any Bible, there is no such statement. The father is God, the son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, but they have not regard for one God. Is there any such thing in the Swedish Bible, then?

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The father is God, the son is God

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said is God who says God

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in your Bible says,

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No, but so many different bits, that when they are fit together, as they can only fit the greatness of God in this way, that God is greater than our logic can keep in one word. But God says, it says

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that God is not the author of confusion and

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as time is running, and I believe there's a number of us who have other things to teach you as well, like families. For instance.

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We have had the last two questions, and I'm sorry, there's still even so many questions. But as I can see from the final questions, many of these questions are directed to Reverend Eric Bach. And really, most of the people here live in or nearby Copenhagen.

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I'm sure that Eric would be willing to answer these questions, anytime, to anybody who raises these questions to him at any other time.

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I'd like to thank Shakira

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for his comments or his lessons to all of us, I'd like to thank revenue

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for his contribution, and

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also for his, for his support to his colleague here. And I think we've all enjoyed this DVD greatly. Thank you very much.

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go tomorrow, at this place. at six o'clock. There will be another lecture. And tomorrow.

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I just have to take it from a second. Tomorrow's topic is alone, debating whether the Bible is God's word, and there will be full opportunity to raise questions again. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of the priests would be pressing again tomorrow.

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The day after tomorrow.

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On a short visit to Denmark, we'll be in a segment called Peterson's Boolean, which is to be found at na le 75 is the board's or First of all, it is near the VB and who's only

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their shift leader. We'll be talking on the sub

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Palestine or Israel and that is also at six o'clock in the evening Monday. That is