Channel: Ahmed Deedat
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Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
It is traditional for us to open our gatherings with a recital of potions from the Holy Quran.
The duty tonight was performed by a 13 year old son tally of Lansdowne. Mashallah, I'm sure you will agree with me. The rendering was beautiful.
We welcome one and all of you here tonight in the retreat
to a lecture
by brother Ahmed deedat, of Durban
Medina, is well known for this type of lectures.
And we are indeed 14
To have the opportunity during these two weeks this week next, to have him with us so soon
a visit he paid on the lecturing tour to the Arab countries.
Our lecture tonight
is on Muhammad. Peace be upon him
It follows on Monday's lecture
which was in Weinberg, on what the Bible says about Muhammad.
Within went on to rocklands in Mitchell's plane last night, with the topic was Muhammad, peace be upon him, the natural successor to Christ.
We invite you
to all the other lectures which will take place tomorrow night, Friday, Saturday, Monday and Tuesday. In various other centers, which include lands down the city all in Cape Town, ethylone, civic center, and Kensington.
There will be
freedom for you, if you wish to bring tape recorders with and even video cameras. If the authorities that the whole allow you to do that, from outside, there is no copyrights on it. You're free to make your own copies.
We have to clear the hole at the bottom of costing.
After the lecture tonight, you're free to come up to the microphone and put questions to the speaker.
After the lecture, I will again give you an indication and an idea as to how we would like you to conduct the question time I give to you now brother athma didn't
obviously be laying in the shade anyway. rajim
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
wama, Ursula K, la caja Fatah, Lena
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brothers and sisters.
I have read to you a verse from Surah saffa
verse number 28.
And as I've explained to you previously, how to find this chapter and this verse from the Holy Quran
that is available to you from here,
as our chairman had announced again, and again, seven rounds 50 each, or two for 10 rounds. It's a bargain of a lifetime, I assure you 2000 pages for five rounds each if you buy two.
But now, at the end of this volume is a very comprehensive index.
And if you open that index and the S you will find Safa. It will be in italics every surah name of the sutra, under whatever the name under that letter of alphabet, you will find it in italics is the name of the surah and it will tell you is Surah Saba is 34 so you look for chapter 34. sutra is chapter and look for verse 28. And you will find this verse I have just read to you. The meaning of that is
Allah says, Rama solokha illa katha leanness, he said, we have not sent you a Muhammad
for the whole of mankind.
calf fatale nasi bash Iran as the giver of glad tidings, one zero and as a warner
Wallach in an accident,
but the bulk of mankind they still do not know.
That is the meaning of the words I have read to you.
With regards to the subject,
Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam the greatest, you see it is very easy
to elevate to praise his hero, his saint,
His Prophet, very easy to idolize
our great men very easy
and we all have a tendency
To do that, whether Hindu, Muslim,
that Whom do you esteem to be the greatest person? So he will give his hero according to his knowledge and experience.
I had an occasion
to take a Portuguese couple around the mosque in Durban. I happen to be one of the guides to the Juma Masjid Durban, and it attracts a lot of visitors. So we take them around, explain to them what goes on and we give them free literature.
But talking to this Portuguese couple,
the Portuguese gentleman somehow the subject arose, and he was telling me that the greatest men that ever lived was Dr. Salazar. And heard of him Dr. Salazar bulk of the people they never heard the name, Dr. Salazar. But you can take exception to his claim, because he only knows Dr. Salazar
can see to him. Portuguese gentleman, he must have done great work for his nation. He is the greatest man that ever lived. Dr. Salazar, so it's quite easy for one to idolize one's own hero.
But if the tribute,
the praise, the testimony comes from the opposite camp.
That would be testimony indeed.
We praise Allah Karim Saracen, the Christian praises Jesus Christ, the Hindu praises Rama and Krishna is natural. But if the enemy praises your hero, then that is real praise. Indeed, you agree, coming from the enemy.
And in that regard, a book has just been published in America.
The title of that book
is the 100.
See this book, quite an expensive book,
The 100 alternatively described as the top 100, or the greatest 100 in history. The author is a certain Michael at heart, described as an astronomer and mathematician.
he goes out of his way to search in history for the 100 most influential men from other Melissa lamb from Adam,
up to current times,
and he gives us a list of those 100 most influential men according to his reasoning.
He gives reasons behind every
person that he chooses why he chose this number one and why he chose that number 30. And why he chose that number 100. He gives you reasons.
And the amazing thing about his list is this.
That number one on his list,
you can guess
is Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam number one Muhammad,
an American in America,
writing a book, which retails in America for $12.50 572 pages,
who will buy his book,
The 200 million nominal Christians of America or the 6 million Jews, not Pakistanis, Bangladeshis or Arabs, either by one year one day, but the bulk of his customers will be the Americans. The market is the American market Christians and Jews.
And he's telling them that Mohammed,
the member of the opposition is the first man, the greatest man, most influential man in history. And the shocking thing about his list is this, that his own Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is number three.
His own Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is number three, not even number two. And he gives his reasons for that. Also, he said, You see, the honor for Christianity, or whatever it is, is to be divided between Paul and Christ. And he said that the real founder of Christianity is not Jesus Christ is St. Paul. He wrote more books.
The New Testament consists of 27 books.
In the seven different books, out of which more than half 14 are written by this one man, Paul, St. Paul, the self appointed apostle of Jesus self appointed, he didn't choose him. He chose 12.
But the self appointed apostle as he claims, Paul, he wrote 14 out of 27 books more than half
and everything that the Christian is preaching today.
is not the teachings of Jesus are not the teachings of Jesus or the teachings of Paul.
See, whenever we are having an argument with the Christian, we are asking him, Do you keep the laws in the commandments? Because Jesus said so one jot or one teacher shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Do you keep the laws and the commandments? Is it whosoever shall break one of these least commandments, or shall teach men so shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven? But whosoever shall do and teach shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven? Do you keep the laws and the commandments? He says, No. So why don't you? So this is no the law is nailed to the cross. So we are now living under grace. So we need to get that. So he says Corinthians Philippians
Galatians. So what's all that? Who's that? says this Paul, Paul, Paul.
So what did you master say? No, they don't talk about the Master Jesus. They don't talk about him. Pour, pour, pour in the contradict us anything. It's Paul.
The real founder of Christianity is St. Paul.
So this man Michael, his heart, he gives the
had it not been he would have come number two, Jesus Christ. But since the honor is divided, he goes to number three.
So I'm asking, please account for it. Why should an American in America publish a book, he wants to do business?
And he's provoking customers.
You see, in business, we say that the customer is always right. You must appease your customer, they will do business. You must please your customers, you don't argue and debate with your customers, otherwise they won't come back.
But this man is telling his customers that they are wrong. And he's ranked number one, Jesus Christ number three.
Now, if a Christian confirms what Allah subhanaw taala has already told us in the Holy Quran, this is what Allah Allah photokina XIM. So most certainly thou Muhammad standards on the highest pinnacle of behavior. It makes us happy that a Christian in America goes to confirm what the Quran stated 1400 years ago.
But the problem is as an account for it, we are asking the unbeliever account for this, why should he go out of his way and provoke his customers?
So some cynic cynic you know, jokey level of sarcasm, this may be some Arab might have bribed this fellow. You know, the Arabs are very rich, they've just run into money, Petro dollars, you know, Petro dollars.
It's quite easy for an Arab, you know, one of our brother, our brother.
He's married to a woman from Johannesburg,
a white woman from Johannesburg. And she boasts about her illegitimate daughter, that woman, the wife of the Nan Haji, so our brother Adnan. He was spending $30,000 an hour for his wife to see color TV on her yacht in the Mediterranean. She could have seen black and white, but it wasn't good enough for her she must see color TV, but with who with her boyfriend, Robert Churchill,
and our brothers paying for that.
Our brothers paying $30,000 an hour to beam by satellite, especially for his wife to enjoy with a boyfriend in the yard.
Another brother and he goes to the Australian waters to do fishing. Blue Marlin is a game fish. You might have seen it on TV, when you have that fight out of the water, like a bird is a fighting fish. So he went to catch Blue Marlin in the Australian waters.
He didn't catch anything.
But the people who helped him to bait the hook he gave them $2,000 each $2,000 Look, if our brothers can do that, why can't they give 10,000 to Michael at heart say, Look, man, you're writing a book? What about putting in a few good words for my Mohammed?
I say it's possible, but it's not probably it wouldn't enter the minds of Oprah didn't do such things.
Then in the Times Magazine,
July 15 1974.
There are a series of essays under the heading
who were history's great leaders
who a history's great leaders.
The first one was about the most influential men in history. Now the question is the great leaders in history.
So different people will question
religious men, mathematicians, psychologists, military men, who do you think was the greatest leader of all time? You Who do you think was the greatest leader of all times, and each according to his knowledge and experience like that Portuguese gentleman I refer to you
They gave the heroes Some said Mahatma Gandhi, some say Confucius. Some said Hitler, not good or bad. You're not talking about good or bad.
But from the point of view of leadership, the guy was great. 90 million Germans that is bidding that are destiny. And they lead, he led them to destruction. 90 million. They marched into Russia, when they marched into Russia, they destroyed 20 million Russians 2000 kilometers nonstop. Look, as a leader, the guy was great, good or bad. We're not talking about that leadership.
Somebody say Mussolini, from the point of view of leadership, the guy was great, is giving his hero according to his experience and background, his knowledge.
Among these contributors, there is one James Kevin.
He is described as the United States leftenant General retire,
he says, is an American. in that article, he says, among leaders who made the greatest impact through the ages, I would consider, number one, guess who
said, number one, Muhammad, and as a Christian, says, number two, Jesus Christ, you blame me. But I should account for that. Why should he put our Libya Kareem salasar number one, and his own God and Savior? Number two,
which Allah bribed him, I don't know.
Then there is another contributor to those articles,
by the name of Jews muscleman.
He is described as a United States psycho analyst. And you know, the psychoanalyst, the job is to analyze the minds of men. And when they find a genius, they're looking for lunacy in the man. Because we are told that the difference between a genius and a lunatic is a very thin veil dividing the two, you know, just a little over
a little decide you're a genius. So in every genius, they look for lunacy
that is the job of a psycho psychiatrist, psychoanalyst. And He is a professor of the Chicago University
Professor of Psychology.
He says, that before you confer greatness upon any leader, or would be leader, we must first find out what we are looking for in the man.
You just don't say this guy with that guy, that guy. We want to know what we are looking for in the man. And he gives us three objective standards. Number one,
he says that that person, whoever he is, number one, he must provide for the welfare of the lead. He's interested in your welfare, not in milking cows for himself, like Reverend Jim Jones,
Reverend Jim Jones, in God.
You know, he committed suicide with 910 of his followers 911 100% suicide not one guy was left alive. He made them to commit suicide, because he was doing things wrong and he was being discovered. So he wanted to get rid of all evidence against him. And what better way than mass suicide they call it the suicide cult 100% they wipe themselves out.
But in the meantime, it was discovered that this man Reverend Jim Jones had salted away in the banks of the world $15 million in his own account. So those his followers were his milking cows, he was using them using them and he was now being found out discovered,
said no, this leader whoever he is, number one, he must provide for the welfare of the lead is interested in your welfare.
he must provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
Like our community, when you visit visit one another.
You know, when you visit a Muslim brother, he invites you to his eating can say don't eat. If nothing, said I look have some coke. Have a cup of tea have some have some some losers have some
innocent, innocent enjoyment.
The other community says What about a drink? brandy?
What? You know you see these advertisements. This is down a line and feel satisfied.
You see that? down a line? Means line beer not that line that in the bushes. Is this too dangerous? down the line and feel satisfied. The other guy says big advertisements huge like ours is that don't be vague say hey.
And you know the French they beat a lot. The Frenchman there was a huge holding Edward in Durban. 30 feet by 10 feet. And there are only three words only three words on that Edward and what an impact.
Words have, you know what it was? They had the lips of a woman well lipstick with gleaming teeth. And with one grade you only see the grade in the two fingers. And she's just about putting the grade in her mouth. That's all but you don't see her hands nothing you don't see you only see the lips, beautiful lipstick lips, and the great and the gleaming teeth and is written France, wine country, that's all
in other words, if you had a collusion if you have the aptitude for that sort of stuff, when you go to France, what do you think of drink drink? Drink? Only three words France wine country
says no. This person you see this Islam that made it so that we have innocent enjoyment? You don't go and dance with your brother's wife
or somebody you want to take it to the dance you want to do this unit drink what For now, we have innocent enjoyments
it provides a society in which people feel relatively secure.
Number three, and that person must provide for unity of belief.
Whatever little differences, we have our arguments and debates
on the size of the beard
Mashallah, you got a nice beard, but why don't you make a standard size? My brother?
This brother here is so old. I said, Look, man, when are you going to start keeping one
and so on and so on says his mustache of yours. You're not supposed to shave, you're supposed to clip it.
We enjoy these luxuries. These are luxuries which we enjoy. We have our debates and our arguments. But as a people as a whole 1000 million. We are agreed on eyeshadow en la ilaha illAllah Muhammad Rasul Allah, that we testify that there is one Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger, the last and final messenger of God on that the whole Muslim world and family law we are agreed with a Sunni or Shia.
We are agreed, but when Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger, and is the last and final messenger of God, unity of belief. With these three standards, he searches history. And he analyzes loose pasture. The guy who discovered the micro
salt, he analyzed the salt, who discovered the NDTV vaccine, and he analyzes
Mahatma Gandhi, and Confucius and Moses and Jesus.
And he comes to the conclusion that the greatest leader of all time was
this Jew, a page seven of the American government. He said the greatest leader of all time was Muhammad, Allah, and to a lesser degree, whatever Muhammad did is that Moses did the same his hero comes number two.
We take our head to the man.
Look, what made him to say that unless it must be so are telling me some Arab bribe him as well.
possible, but not probable.
But let's go back to see today the Muslim world these are Arab brothers and they have run into money. You see they don't know what to do with it.
They run amok with their money. He's human trait, human weakness. But 144 years ago, almost exactly 144 one gross per dozen years ago.
Eighth of may Friday, eighth of may 1918 140 years 1800 and 48th of may Friday 1840
and Anglican Christians in England by the name of Thomas Carlyle
described as one of the greatest thinkers of the past century, Thomas Carlyle, he wrote a book called heroes and hero worship. It was a textbook for metric students some years ago. I don't know whether they still prescribe that dutiful literature.
So he wrote a book on heroes and hero worship.
And he chose our nebia Kareem sallallahu wasallam as his hero Prophet, not Moses.
Not David, not Solomon,
not Jesus, but Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam as his hero prophet.
And he explained his Anglican audience, because at that time in history, it was a sacrilege to say anything good about the prophet of Islam, it was the worst crime was blasphemy any Christian can do is to say anything good about the Holy Prophet Mohammed, at that time in history 144 years ago,
he's telling addressing his audience trying to pacify them. He says, as there is no danger
now, of any of us ever becoming mohammedans there is no danger. He's got no fear that anybody might be
Mohammed says, This is the term he used to say, Muhammad, I mean to say all the good things about him, that I justly can, because there's no fear that any of you will become Muhammad who is Anglican audience. Because as he says, Thomas Carlyle that the people were trained to hate the man Muhammad and his religion, they were trained, like dogs are trained in South Africa to hate black men. They are trained, there is a system of training, you can train dogs to hate all black people.
You don't know.
So the Christian world was trained to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. So now he's making a start making a breakthrough. So he has to appease themselves, don't worry, I know nobody will be converted to mohammedanism. Of course, there is no such thing as a Mohammedan. You know that and there is no such thing as mohammedanism.
These are misnomers.
These terms were invented by the Westerner, the Christian world, they invented these terms, because they reasoned
that since they are the worshipers of Christ, so they are Christians, the worshipers of Christ, Christians, the worshipers of Buddha Buddhists, so the worshipers of Muhammad must be Muhammad. And now you see, that's how they reason and we were also ignorant. We didn't when I was small, we didn't know you never Masjid Westwood mosque was Mohammed and mosque, our brookstreet cemetery the main Cemetery in Durban was Mohammed in cemetery we didn't know because the whiteness is causes Mohammed Mohammed and services were murdered at school when I was a young fellow I remember you know, I used to wear that the Turkish face You know, the red one that are malleable and when I saw them on TV,
seeming that some funny funny thing.
But with that, but well, we used to wear that you see those as fashionable the Turks in our brother and they were one time leading Muslim nation. So we used to wear the red faces. So we go to school, red was on. So the teacher tells all the students that have your hands, capsule heads, take them off. So everybody takes it off. The Hindus the Christians that take it off. We keep it on. So we are Mohammed and sir.
That's actually what you said. We are Mohammed and sir so we don't take off our hands.
All the boys must have a Nicholas. We were long pants. Why? Because we are Mohammed and sir.
We didn't know we didn't know Allah. We didn't know we know that.
But this poor man in 18 140 He says, No fear anybody becoming moments. So he wants to do justice to this man.
And he's quoting a Westerner, a writer of his day, in a very popular writer of his day by the name of pop, Kochi. Now this pop Paki wrote the story of our Navy.
And in the story, he wrote that Muhammad Sallallahu sallam, he had trained pigeons to pick up peas from his years peas up in his ear is to put and he trained the pigeon to
take it out.
Which he told the people that's jabril you know, giving him a revelation.
This hobbies, that hobbies, that's what he wrote in his book.
So he was asked, he said, we take this information that Muhammad had trained pigeons to pick a piece from his ears, which he gave off as revelation.
after he must have some authority for making statements is no I just felt like writing it.
This is how they were trained
to hate them and Muhammad and his religion, as dogs are trained to hate black men.
So this, Thomas Carlyle, speaking about Olivia Kareem Salah some
beautiful words, he writes, he says, about the poor, hard, toiling ill provided man
careless, careless of what well garment toil for not worried about things that meant well garment toil, for not a bad man, I should say
something better in him than hunger of any sort.
Or these wild Arab men fighting in jostling three and 20 years at his hand, in close contact with him always would not have reverence him so would not have reverence him so they were wild men, these Arabs, they said they were wild man, bursting ever Amman into coral into all kinds of fear sincerity. Without right word, and manhood. No man could have commanded them.
Without that quality of sincerity, integrity, manhood is that no man could have commanded them. They call him prophet you say
this is why he stood there.
face to face with them bear not an enshrined in any mystery visibly clouding his own clothes, cobbling his own shoes,
fighting, counseling, ordering in the midst of them, they must have seen what kind of a man he was, let him be called what you like. Call him what you like. No Emperor with his Tyra's was obeyed as this man in a cloak of his own clouding. During three and 20 years of rough actual trial, I find something of a veritable hero necessary for that of itself.
Muslim discarded, decided that murder the camel, that perfect man, law says, Look at common law common
law. So most certainly, in the apostle of Allah, you have the best example.
This is an 1800. And
for 18 114 14 years later,
in 1854, a Frenchman writes the history of the Turks
by the name of lamartine, a Frenchman.
And incidentally, the Turks being Muslim. So he starts speaking about our lobby, he says something
and he gives us three other objective standards. Now this is something great about the Westerner, he's looking for angles, which he did, which we didn't think before.
Jews muscleman this is now those three qualities, this man is talking about other three qualities and his qualities his giving us his number one, his greatness of purpose, what the man is out to do.
Mama has some luck, I
mean, we have not sent you, but as mercy into the whole of mankind, the whole universal man.
Al amin of the world, Allah means the world and Allah means the world's not only physical world, spiritual world, every type of creation, Hamas, Allah, Allah, Allah mean, that's his purpose in life, as a Muslim to the whole of mankind, not for Jews, not for Hindus, or Arya Samaj, he's for the whole of mankind. Alhamdulillah Rabbil aalameen This is how he starts, all pieces due to Allah, the Lord and cherish of the world, not of the Arabs, or the Pakistanis, or the Malaysians, no, no alami greatness of purpose, smallness of means, you know how he stands. Before he is born, his father dies. By the time you six his mother dies.
His grandfather starts looking after the infant child and before long grandfather dies. then by the time he's 12, his uncle Abu Talib goats is looking after.
This is the beginning smallness of means.
No political party to back him up. No royalty to back him up. It's one man against all men.
One man against the whole world.
Nobody his own people were not prepared to receive his message. from the word go trials and tribulations you know, history, smalls of means and outstanding results. Today 1000 million Muslims.
Christianity boasts 1000 200 million, but that 600 years they were ahead of us.
But an American,
in his book, The Messenger, bodily bodily in his book, The Messenger, he says that there are no professing Christians in the world, then professing Muslims professing in people who fill census forms. So what religion you belong to, even if he's an atheist, he was a Christian. He was a Jew, because he's not a he was a Hindu. He was not a Hindu. He was a Christian, coming from a Christian background as a Christian. So from that point of view, there are more Christians in the world today. There are more professing people who say with the lips, there are more professing Christians than professing Muslims. But there are more practicing Muslims in the world than practicing Christians,
people who practice the religion. There are more Muslims who practice worship. But as a people as a whole, there are more practicing Muslims in the world today than practicing Christians. This is what modly says in his book, The messenger.
outstanding results are the three criteria of human genius. So who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad he does bring your candidate any man bring him compared with this man Muhammad, who could dare to compare your dairy being yours? To compare with this man
is the most famous men, about others created arms, arms, armies
laws and empires only. They found that if anything at all, no more than material powers, which often crumbled away before their eyes like Hitler's power crumbled away before his own eyes. Mussolini's power crumbled away before his eyes. Mikado Japan crumbled away before his very eyes.
kilometer away before the rise, this man Mohammed moved, not only armies,
legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men. And more than that, he moved the gods, the gods of the people who move them out of the way. The gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls
and the in this beautiful tribute by saying, philosopher, orator apostel, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, the Restore of rational beliefs of a cult without images, the founder of 20 terrestrial empires and have one spiritual Empire. That is,
that is, with regard to all standards or standards, whereby human greatness may be measured. We may well ask, Is there any man greater than he is there?
The answer is in the question.
The answer is in the question is asking. In other words, he's saying no man greater than Mohamed Salah, the greatest man that ever lived.
I'm asking who bribed Lama T. Hooper bribed him with the whole Muslim world down in the gutters. In 1854, the whole Muslim world except for three or four Muslim countries nominally independent, every Muslim nation was under subjugation. India was under the British. Indonesia was under the Dratch, Malaysia was under the British, Nigeria was under the British, Muslim big Muslim country Mozambique.
was by the Portuguese is a Muslim country. Do you know that? Even today, 60% of the people are Muslims.
You see, when the project is to COVID, the superior can power. The white man is very ingenious. The Chinese were playing with this sulfur, playing fireworks.
The white man when he came across that he turned it to a devilish thing.
He used it as gunpowder and he not helped him to everybody. Rob my people in my country, he robbed them. India under 50 years they told us they will about 150 years in Malaysia 300 years in Indonesia. 500 years in Mozambique.
It was a Muslim country. The governor was must have been
an addict. Mousavian bake, the Portuguese couldn't say moose I've been basis and Mozambique.
It was our land.
These Western Canada Germany.
Gibraltar German, the men who crossed into Spain from Africa Muslim, the first Muslim conqueror of of Spain. His name was Java.
So Java means a mountain. So they can say Javelin Tarik, they say Gibraltar, Manila, Manila. They can say mama no la de Manila
is that is there any man greater than he? And the answer is in the question, no man, greater than Muhammad, the greatest man that ever lived,
who bribed him as a utility to brag which era
but prejudices die hard, very hard prejudice.
Now this is with regards to the testimonies and tributes paid by worldly men.
Now let us seek another standard, religious standard.
And who can we find better than Jesus Christ
to give us a standard of judging.
Let's go to Jesus.
In the Gospel of St. JOHN,
verse 36, those of you have Bibles, open them in, check it out.
JOHN, chapter five, verse 36. Jesus Christ is speaking about greatness. He's comparing himself with john the baptist.
john the baptist, we call him Yala, salah
and about yahia Elisa Lam, Jesus had made certain statements, very flattering statements he had made about john the baptist. He had said, among those born of women,
there has not been another greater than john the baptist.
The greatest man that ever lived among the Jews, the prophets was john the baptist, Jesus said,
but now, he says
that he's greater than john. Among those born a woman, the greatest man was john the baptist.
That's his testimony. He had performed no miracles, remember? Not one. But according to Jesus, the greatest man among the Jews, Jewish prophets, greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Ezekiel, Elijah, a whole lot put together, john the baptist, according to Jesus.
Now, he says, john 536. So my witness, my Shahada is greater than that of john, john the baptist, not as a disciple, he had disciple john, he had another disciple called john, he had number of disciples. These were very common names. Jesus was a common name, john was a common name among the Jews, like Tom, Dick and Harry among us today, we have Mohammed Ahmed and Solomon and Tao, saying, they were Jesus by the tongues, and their John's by the tongues.
But he's talking about john the baptist is in my witness is greater than john, for the work that Father has given me to finish for that reason. what God wanted him to do, that work is greater than what john was supposed to do. john lennon was only to prepare the way for the coming of Jesus. He was the forerunner
of Jesus, so as that is very great, but now I am greater than him. Why? Because the work that God has given me to finish.
So the standard of jammy judging is, what work are you out to do? What is your mission in life? That shows how great one is comparing one with the other according to the standard given by Jesus Christ?
Well, we know about his mission.
He came, as I was telling you all last night, he came only for the Jews only for the Jews again and again, he said, I'm not saying, but under the Lordship of the house of Israel, he is telling his disciples, not into the way of the Gentiles, and into nscd of the Samaritans enter he not
sheep of the house of Israel, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, that he had chosen one little tribe out of the 1000s of tribes of the world, one little community, the children of Israel, and the lost sheep he was looking for.
That was his job. And that makes him greater than john.
And, in john chapter 17, verse three and four, he finished his mission. That's what he says, I want the Christians who come and tell me where the finish means finished. First is for what the Father had given me to finish.
Now, he tells us in john 17, verses three and four that he finished the job long before his elegant crucifixion long before
when there was nothing about the crucifixion. He said, his job is finished. Listen. And this is life, eternal, Jesus's, and this is life eternal, that they should know the the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent.
This is like saying, eyeshadow nyla illallah wa Shalu Anna Isa Rasulullah. This is, this is life eternal. If you accept that
salvation is yours. That's what it says. And in the Holy Quran, we are to
people of the book, Jews and Christians, not identical. Do not go to extremes in your religion, don't go to extremes. They're going to extremes. Jesus Christ was born miraculously.
So one group of people, the Jews, they insinuate that he is the illegitimate son of Mary because God no father,
one extreme. The Christian says because he's got no earthly father, his father is God. Another extreme.
So Allah tells us to tell them
you're not doing the job. Unless you watch the Quran you repeating it how many times lol kita a lot of loopy de la Taku La la la la. And don't say anything about Allah accept the truth. In mlmrc most certainly the Messiah, the Santa Maria Ma, Jesus, the son of Mary Rasulullah is a messenger of Allah wa Kalamata, who, in a word proceeding from him, ha ha, Illa. Maria Maria, whom in whom we she bestowed upon Mary and a spirit proceeding from him from barman for Amina Bella Havasu Lee, so believe in Allah and His Messenger, Jesus Christ. What did Jesus say, this is life eternal, that they should know the only true God and Jesus question is and do you believe that?
If you don't, you're not a Muslim.
We believe that it is what when Allah and Hazara decide Islam was his messenger.
So from what Jesus said, You have live eternal. You don't have to worry. You don't want anybody to be killed for you now,
no Qurbani required
of Jesus or anybody else, no Kobani no sacrifice.
This is what it says Alice is speaking with a tongue in cheek. You know tongue in cheek means when you say something that you mean something else.
You don't expect Jesus to do that. They tricks upon his ears, his listeners, and this is life eternal, that we should know the only true God, Jesus Christ who said, next verse.
Now, he looks up towards heaven. He says, I have glorified the telling Allah have glorified me I praised you
on the earth
I have finished I have finished
the work without gave us need to do I finished it. job is done. There is no crucifixion inside nowhere he says I finished the job now Lord, you know glorified me as a glorified you give me my reward my pay.
When you say you finished the job, your boss gave you a job to do.
You completely get off whatever it is you took a little job with a plumbing, electrician, carpentry bricklaying, whatever. And now, you said you what job you gave me I finished with my pay out my pay. So he's asking for his pay. Did he finish the job?
He says he finished it.
What was the job glorifying God and telling them that he is the messenger of God. So that's the mission.
I want somebody to come and tell me that he didn't finish a job. I want somebody to tell me that Jesus was not speaking the truth.
I want them to come forward and tell me the man said I finished the job. Give me my pay. is asking Allah for pay. As I glorified you now you have me also glorified, raised.
You tell me No, he didn't finish it. I want to hear that.
Now the ministry of Jesus was limited. He came to reform the Jews.
He came to reform them take them out of the formalism, ceremonial ism, going for the letter of the law, forgetting the Spirit. And this is the whole teaching. Again, and again, he's condemning the Jews. He's explaining to them not this but that is of all time.
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you resist not evil he was trying to in the righteous
if you're meant to be a code unit, also, if you follow MCs Pharaoh makes you do a one mile walk with Him to agree with an adversary quickly was out with him on the way before he takes you before the magistrate and makes you to part with the last money.
Good advice that don't go to court.
But this is his teaching. This is what he can do to show you when you fast don't fast as the hypocrites do but fast like this. When you give charity don't make a noise don't work cache what your right hand gives a left hand muscle. No, that's not Islam. There's only half and I have an opportunity to explain to you there's only half of this time, but further needs it was perfect. For the sickness of the Jews. This was perfect.
And maybe a creme de la la sala when he comes he is told in the words that we started with Mr. Tanaka. We have not sent you don't make a mistake.
This was towards the end of his earthly sojourn. Arabia was at his feet. He could afford now to sit back and relax.
After 60 years of trials and tribulations you can now sit back and relax. It was only a question of polishing up. That's all job was done.
Not for him. Allah sends His Messenger Jabri tells him arson La La Catalina see, so we have not sent you but as a mercy and with the whole of mankind bashira as a giver of glad tidings when has he wrong when is a wanna
but the majority of mankind the bulk of mankind still don't know.
As the Muslim boy to say, what the furusato kaha Tamaki norito. He's got his mama be back. There is no time for leisure, there's work to be done. The banner of tau he used to be lifted up. There's no time for leisure. What does he do? What did he do?
Immediately he called the scribes.
Those who would write
out your parchment and write what letters to the emperor of Russia
to the emperor of Persia to the Emperor Constantinople. He rightly said Constantinople to the king of Egypt, the king of Yemen and the Mughals of Abyssinia, five letters. He had them dictated and five horsemen
hubbas the horse and as have a companion and a scroll 1000 miles this way, 1500 miles this way 1000 miles across the Red Sea and on and on five people is an amount in his lifetime. This is the example he set for us.
This is an example he said for us if he had our petrodollars
and if he had the printing machines that we have at our disposal, wouldn't he have flooded the world with the Quran ask
one man invaluable as one horse in manual and one was one man and one scroll.
One scroll. I saw the scroll. Scroll likes brownish, like thin plywood.
I saw it in the Topkapi museum Istanbul
is almost falling to pieces. We can't read it because it's the writings are scratchy. You know we are used to nice bold hand round handwriting. Like this one of useable, you know nice bold handwriting is easy for us with the Fatah Casa de ma, you know the PowerPoints.
But the editor didn't write the PowerPoints, they understood their own language they wrote without the vowels Summer Sale pitch in the masataka. Sarah
so it's hard for us to read, but side by side they have what a transcript in ordinary Arabic, the Arabic that we read, and you can read smilla rahmanir rahim In the name of Allah most Gracious, Most Merciful. From Muhammad Rasulullah to heraclius the Emperor Constantine noble, I invite you to the religion of God, accepted, accepted and be benefited. Then another verse from the Quran, Allah Al Kitab say all people of the book are Jews and Christians, talcum, Villa Kalima in Sabah in vain in our banner, that we come to common terms as between as a new Buddha law that we wish if men but Allah, Allah Misha be shaken and that we associate new partners with him. When is tough is a bargain
Abaddon Ababa min Daniela and that we do not take from among ourselves lords and patrons other than Allah, tala, but if they turn back for crucial you tell them that we at least have Muslims, we have submitted our will to the will of God.
We have submitted a will to the will of God. This is the example he said.
Immediately he said emotional process of delivering the message to all the whole known world around him.
messages were sent out in his lifetime. This is the example.
You look at the life of Jesus in his lifetime. He never preached a single non Jew.
He never converted a single non Jew among the 12 disciples or not one was a non Jew.
The disciples of Muhammad Salah Salam salmaan Farsi The question was a beloved ever seen he was there besides the kurush
This is the life example. His territory is the world capital in us, the whole of mankind.
Lacking NASA, NASA Lala moon, but the bulk of mankind still do not know. That was then 1400 years ago. Is it any different now?
We 1000 million today? Yes, but the bulk of mankind? Have they received that message yet? I asked you.
There are no worshipers of men and monkeys, elephants and snakes on God's good earth today. Then the worshipers of the one true God, do you know that
there are more mankind today worshipping men in monkeys, women, elephants 1000 word and whatnot and humankind and worshipping the devil. They have the Satan worshipping, worshipping Satan. They go out of the way so we worship Satan, the devil.
They worship sun New Moon,
they worshipping him as a
Guru maharaji worshipping a god Swami Prabhupada the Hari Krishna movement the worshiping God Sai Baba worshipping as a God today.
After 1400 years of Islam, the situation is no better. It's a shame. It's a shame absolute disgrace. 1400 years allies crying the civil lock in NASA and NASA Laila moon we are uttering the word Volokh in NASA NASA Laila moon but the bulk of men can still don't know but the bulk of mankind still don't know what are we doing to rectify the situation?
We sit tight on our backside satisfied Regan makes a lot on Fridays inshallah.
inshallah we'll go to gender, but gender is not that cheap.
There will be very cheap.
Examples of the prophets
the sacrifice the role.
The Foothill pilgrimage
they weigh about 110,000 110,000 hours at the hospital without
The last time that I went to be a Kareem Salah Salah performed
during the course of that sermon office is telling them, he says this message that I have given you said, Have you received the message, and they all explained
with one accord
was certainly thou hast, so he lives with his eyes towards heaven is Allah, oh my lord be a witness that I have delivered my message.
And now you that are present here, deliver it to those what apps
and out of the 100,000
not even 10,000 Aboriginal Arabia.
But with the taken away into heaven in a flying saucer, this spread across the world. They understood the message that this was not for home consumption only for themselves. This is not an Arab religion is the religion of God for mankind. And they're spread out and they send the travel as far as Indonesia and Malaysia and the converted over people, they came to my part of India they converted my people, they came as far as Nigeria, they go to the people, they came as far as Muslim vegan people, they did the job.
We now comfortably set up from the law we have done well.
But this primary duty of the Muslim, we are not making any exertion to share and our survivor, our salvation here and in the hereafter lies in this that we share the for survival we have to share it is the best insurance policy that we can ever take out is to propagate the fate change the environment.
Otherwise the environment is going to change us and it is changing us. They are forcing pig down our throat wherever any excuse be picked up into the areas that piggies there right in front of you.
Our forefathers, they held on to certain small principles and reward that Allah gave us just do two things. Meet the scenario and halal meat,
halal meat, just a handful of people we are less than 2% of those South African population less than 2%. And when we started we are
in poverty. Our our forefathers here a slave to the white man, my people we are also living on the smell of an oily rag as a white man was describing unstylish and level
in 1927. When I came from India, the age of nine. We were living on a starvation level. As a white man sarcastically said the Indian is living on the smell of an oily rag is only the smell that's keeping him alive in starvation. And we will study
Allah tala has blessed us from that to this way we have reached Shouldn't we open our mouths and he has given us a Deen a way of life. Which you don't have to be ashamed of anything. There is not another nature of community that can teach you anything.
Very there is no religious group on earth that can teach you anything in hygiene. We are the most hygienic people. We are the most hospitable people
in brotherhood impiety in charity in sobriety, there is not another nation that can show a candle to us. And yet we don't get converts.
The Christian with all his arrogance, he's getting converts.
He's getting converts. We don't get converts. I want to know why
is Islam a spent force? Is the Quran now to be put in a museum and museum piece is that what do you think?
The reason is very simple. We don't open our mouth. That's all. You must learn to open your mouth. Man. Can you say something about Islam? Don't you know one thing about Islam? That's one thing. Can you talk about one thing about your hygiene Why don't you tell him about your hygiene? hygiene. The amount of water that we use number one we wash when you go for number one we wash number two we wash any excuse Water, water, water? We are we use more water than any other people on earth use not abused. Why don't you tell them?
You're supposed to have one of my new brothers in faith, Englishman. Mr. James Cunningham is now jamaludin Cunningham. He was bringing these books to give to another city hall meeting 3000 it was quite a heavy load in the car. He reaches far as nice now. And somehow the car skidded and is a total wreck. This morning he left back for home and the books are coming by some private company. Cause was the cape cross Express
This young man English man his father and mother are Roman Catholics.
And he's got a can in the toilet.
Look, you know beautiful things you can learn from innocent like little children. He has a can in the toilet. The parents didn't like his convert.
You can be anything if you don't believe in God is right. You become Hari Krishna is alright. But Muslim
redirect to the moon because now he's gonna say drinking is bad daddy gambling is wrong daddy see everywhere dancing is dead baby daddy so everywhere now this Muslim is the son is a Muslim is gonna come in the way. So he hates this young fellow but somehow things are cooling off. But now always what do you do with that? Can the toilet James
explain it again he says, James what you're doing with that can in the pilot
is a deadly look.
This is you know, you to watch that pen
with heartbeat and whatnot 20 liters down the drain to wash the pen, but not one drop for yourself on yourself. Not one drop
is a friend. He said not one block you use for yourself for the pen.
What would you do? That brush and the topic and what and what not, you know killing all the germs. Yes. But you carry it on yourself as a daddy, not one grow for yourself.
So the old man goes and tells his wife, he says you know James has got a point there, but I will admit it.
This is men This is men
isn't anything you can talk about.
Our Nivea creme de la la Sallam he gave us a secret of knowledge is available and neolo can deliver the message regarding me even if it is one verse one fact give it one fact give it talk about it. One thing about this, what I told you now is looking at this man is converted and his father's always wanting to know what he's doing with a cane in the toilet can in the toilet. So this young man came to him. He said look, Daddy, he says you know for the can 10 liters 20 liter down the drain to wash the pot. The bad, nothing for yourself, Daddy, you don't put one drop on yourself.
But is that when admitted he's telling his wife? I don't want to admit he's got a point there but I wouldn't admit it. But you can do the same thing that you can show me Allah tala give us the topic that he liked. And once you start doing that, Allah will fill you with knowledge. Knowledge only comes by us. You listen to me, you are being entertained. I know you like to listen to me. And you go home and finished till I come back again, maybe if I'm alive. But now look, what will you learn one, just use that use that you will be able to get the tapes, cassette tapes from Mr. mahama in a week's time or so all these lectures. Then we are making videos on this. You will get videotapes.
And maybe from tomorrow night some of the videos that the young man was bringing will be on sale on SABC TV, the program we had the debate, plus other so many other things there. You buy that tape? We are not out to do business. Well, are you even when you listen to me, you will know that this guy is not a businessman. They'll go bankrupt, and I won't go bankrupt. I'm dealing business with him, you see. And with him. You can't go bankrupt. So look, my dear brothers and sisters, if you have a video machine, you buy one videotape. 25 times.
This also 25 times is the cheapest videotape, you can buy the program 25 times and a money back guarantee. You keep it for 30 days, you see you make copies if you like and return it to us, your money will be refunded in full 100% you give us 25 and we'll give you 25 rounds back that means doesn't cost you a cent. Keep it for a month, see, return it to us and get your money back.
We come across business people like that.
But I know I'm doing business with him. It works. It will work. It will work it is working. So here is an offer.
Get the tape seat, shoot your friends call them say Look man, let's come for a cup of tea and put it on. So if you let let the people see and then talk about what you see, what do you think, you know, does it make sense? So it's an indirect way of entertaining the follow up and brainwashing him? Why not? The whole world is trying to brainwash us why we shouldn't be brainwashed other people because if we don't we are getting brainwashed in any case. We are labella Mr. Chairman and my brothers and sisters I've taken so much of your time. May Allah tala you know give me the help that I may come back to you again and share more with you and maybe give you that he that what little you hear from
me, you might be able to pass it on to our brothers and sisters.
Thank you brother Dida.
to the evening open to question time. I would like to bring a few points home
at elections which are to follow on this one at the other centers. It's listed on the back of this pamphlet.
Please ask your friends
come yourself and bring your neighbors
send the pamphlet around to friends.
Please do not forget that you are allowed to bring cassette recorders and video cameras. If you have these equipment.
Please don't forget
that you must make your evening memorable. Come and purchase to Qurans.
Lama, Abdullah Yusuf Ali 10 rents for two
instead of 15 rents for two to buy one tonight at 758 Mini lift tonight. Last night, I bought two.
And there was such a scramble for some reason when you are going every night con to give it to me. So I sold mine didn't make a profit.
Then tonight, I made sure that I bought my two first,
the tapes cassette tapes of this series of lectures, as soon as it's being finished, ordinary cassettes will be finished and available some way in early next week, Tuesday, the video cassettes of the series will be available in plus minus three weeks time. And as the price was quoted 25 around the
money back guarantee money back guarantee.
I think we should say the same for this tool.
When it comes to question time, I would like to put or to remind some people
that first of all, if you want to put a question
I think it is common courtesy that you are facing to the lecture.
These lectures are well advertised
the topic of tonight. That's why I made such a big spiel of telling you what's coming tomorrow night. So that if you want to put the question, make research of your own, and come and put the question on the topic. The lecturer has prepared himself for tonight. Please put questions relating to tonight's topic. I think that's fair. And that's good to see.
Also, if you put a question, if you want to ask a question come up to the microphone in front.
As many of you as you like.
It's common courtesy to form a queue. We've had nice queues over the previous evenings. And I think we as people who put the questions in a delightful manner.
I would like those people who have no questions to ask. And they are some of us don't blame you. There are some of us who have come perhaps as for the entertainment, we welcome you also. But if you come for the entertainment, there are some people, if you bear in mind that the topics that are being dealt with are very sensitive topics, the topics that are being dealt with deals with the beliefs of people.
We're not here to slander anybody.
And if a man has grown up as a Christian, and if he holds the Bible sacred,
then give him the respect that is due to him.
He has got a right to put this question. Please do not try to heckle him. And please do not laugh at him. If he puts a question, when you put a question in front of an audience you may never have had the opportunity before may not be easy, you are nervous, you probably even get tongue tied. Give the man a fair chance and do not take him.
Likewise, I asked the question is give the lecture of a time fair chance to answer
one question at a time.
Please do not try to give a sermon. If you wish to, I'm sure you can ask the people the whole is available for hire. Please do your own hiring of the whole and I'm not saying this in this artistic manner. But do not come to try to give a lecture because I will be compelled to stop you. And I wouldn't like to stop you. Also, if you have more than one question, ask one and then go to the back of the queue. Give all the brethren in the queue the chance to ask a question.
We obviously will have to stop at some time. So put make your question brief. And please respect the chair. If I ask you to go and sit down, then you must know that I've come to the end. I cannot really entertain you any further. You are now free to come to the microphone. Anybody who wishes to ask a question pertaining to the topic as dealt with tonight. Thank you.
The microphone is in front.
Mr. Jeter could even change.
I know that the Arabs in the Muslim, they are the richest. But just one thing. Moses in the Torah
Weren't Moses to see what effect? did Moses deny the things of Pharaoh
Khushi grew up as
you grew up in the palace of Pharaoh, Moses, as you know, you have studied the Bible, Torah. Now Moses rejected the things of Pharaoh to lead rather the Egyptians. It was in the afflictions out of Egypt. Why do you say according to you, the rich Arabs into the poor Jewish people, and Muhammad and Moses?
understood the question at all. Could you just Could I just get you a brief question? sum it up in a nutshell, we don't want to give you a wrong answer.
I haven't understood your question at all my son, will you please. I don't know what the question is. I don't know whether you people have understood.
Just the main part of the author. What is the question? The question is
what do you say is about this? Moses grew up in Pharaoh's palace.
To grew up in a palace is something different to grew up in the state where you are infliction, affliction? And can say for instance, Mama
didn't tell me I won't say it. Muhammad grew up with affliction. And I'll say that Muhammad also because he married a rich, his UFC that he married to rich woman. She was a widow anything. But the thing is that I want to know, what do you say? Could you say Muhammad the greatest, Moses denied the riches of Pharaoh, Christ denied the riches of the earth. The table was entertaining in the world's kingdom. What you say in conferring to that of Christ Muhammad in Moses.
Looks like the young man has gotten into knots.
Uncle i think is trying to say. If you say Mohammed is great, and to clarify your point to substantiate it, you're saying Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam lived under poor conditions, and denied himself the riches. Didn't Moses do the same? I never made any such statement is in there it is. The man is putting words into my mouth, which I never uttered. I don't know what to answer. I didn't say any such things. I said, Look, this man
if you heard me correctly, he says, greatness of purpose. What the man is out to do. These are his standards. I didn't give you these things. These are the Westerner lamattina Frenchmen. He's talking about greatness of Muhammad, the greatest man that ever lived his his his Muhammad and the standards eg not me. He said greatness of purpose, smallness of means. Are you thinking about this child before he's born his father's dies?
Often, by the time he sees his devil, he often
is that an asset or a liability. Being born in the home of a pharaoh is an asset. This man is born with liabilities after liabilities. Can you see Jesus Christ was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
He was one of the richest person the disciples were following him because he able to feed them.
They didn't pay for it. You know that last supper you remember? He said look, go to a certain place you'll find a mansion there, find the water the water carrier follow Him and you go there and tell them that the master has said that we must prepare for the feast of the Passover. Everything was found. The lamb was found the wine was there. They enjoyed themselves. go to another place and you'll find a quote and a donkey going
remember the man is rich.
This man Mohamed stats.
W often by the time is six. Another euro so his grandfather dies. Now his uncle Abu Talib looks after him looking after his sheep and goats.
smallness of means no political party, no organized church nothing.
They were not looking for a liberator, the Arab Moses, the his people will greeting under the wrong direction yoke. They want somebody to liberate them.
Jesus, when he came, the people were waiting for the Messiah
is easy. Now if people are waiting for you, it's easy to prove your
your authority, your bona fides, he just said look, you will man you waiting for me. This man Muhammad he comes nobody's waiting for him.
Everything is going against him. He says there is one God they had the 360 around the Kaaba
He says no drink. They were all drunk as he says no drink. They were gamblers, no gambling. Look, the greatest contribution is that ever lived was Muhammad. Everything he said is going against the grain. whatever they're doing, he says, No, they are unlimited. Number one, he restricted them. slaves. Feed them with what you eat and clothe them with what you wear. And if they make a mistake, you're not in kind of a game. Give them the freedom.
At every step, what he starts with, and the achievement.
The results, look at the results. 1000 million started how Moses had a good start.
You know, they robbed the Egyptians of all the gold. You remember? The all the jewelry, they made the golden calf out of what out of the Golden Egyptians golden stone. See, they had a good start. Jesus had a good start a mighty good start.
Muhammad, this is how he begins. I didn't say that I'm only quoting. Now, if you think that lamartine is exaggerating, then you must prove to the contrary. You must prove to the country that this man is exaggerating.
is another question.
evening, Mr. leaders. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very thankful for this talk tonight. And I think you know, I agree with you, in many points particular that Muhammad is definitely a very great leader of his people. And instead he has done many lifts America.
He has done many positive things, I think for his people for the Arabic Arabic people. And I think in very many respects, Mohammed is a person who is brought easily nowadays, perhaps, or he is he can be called even nowadays, one of the greatest people, I must admit to this point. But I think there's one question I think which is on my mind. I think we all admit that the Rolls Royce is the best car now maybe some people they will say it's a Mercedes, but get other Rolls Royces best car, it cannot fly, cannot fly. So I think the question must be, according to which 10 standard? Is Muhammad? The greatest? What is the standard? Now you ask the question in your talk, what was the mission of
Christ? Now the mission of Christ was clearly set in the Gospel, you really know the gospel in the beginning, the mission of Christ was that he is a Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of mankind. In other words, the whole mission and the purpose of Christ was to bring men into unity with God. Sorry, oh, can you put the question? Yes, no, I'm actually, you know, answering his question. He brought the question, I would like to answer his question. Yeah. And I'm coming finally, to my question. And, secondly, you quoted john 17, verse one and verse four. And they it says, you know, Jesus did not say this particular question passage, no, we must put these things right. He doesn't
say it is finished there. He says, The time has come to glorify Me, to glorify Your son. Now there was a beginning of this, the crucifixion or the being taken prisoner, and then being crucified, and then your universe for what you quoted. Those people have eternal life who believe and know God, and Jesus Christ design. And then two chapters later, only when he was caught, and so on. And when he was on the cross, he said, the words each is finished. In other words, he said, I have accomplished the task for which I have come to know the question, Who is the greatest Christ came to give us life eternal? Mama came to do many things, to deal with practical matters like you how to use a toilet
and other things. But the greatest question is, I think, in the greatest purposes, how, how do you and I get reconciled with God? How do I have eternal life? You haven't answered this question. You mentioned many things or social, historical, political, military aspect, but the standard of God and the question of God is, how can I attain pieces God, Jesus gave the perfect answer. So Jesus is greatest on this particular standard? What is your answer in your book open? As it is? Yes. I want to read that verse in your Bible, that when you say, john, Chapter 17, three and four, what does he say that?
Thank you. Thank you.
Could you could you get to the microphone, I'll bring environment
This is eternal life. I read it. This is like eternal same thing, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. Word for word, his choice of words, say me. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work
Gave me to do completing the work. In the authorized King James Version. It says, I have finished this is the New International Version of yours. The King James Version says, I have finished the work that you have given me to do. Now, do you take exception to that translation? And I think we must be very clear here. As you must know the word finished? Yes, the word I got.
This is the King James Version of the Bible. Which is the Bible used by pre know predominantly the whole Christian world. This New International Version of yours is something novel to the bulk of mankind, no to the bulk, the bulk of Christian look as against the King James Version.
This is the Bible that is translated into other languages. This one not that no. The New International Version has been translated from the original text of Hebrew and Greek, but not from the king. What year was this? first printed? Not very recently, but according to the numbers, just tell me when was this printed? I think it was an 81 1981. I think it was three years ago. This one was first published in 16 111.
Right, and this was the only Bible available up to almost yesterday. No, before I had all letters, please, please understand my simple language, as this was the only Bible Look, when I was a young man, there was no other Bible that you could buy but the topic mystery that we attract, diverting from the topic, now he's talking about the Bible, not on the text, no. Who is a creator, I am talking number one, you are deceiving the people by quoting something from a new Bible, when you must tell me now that this Bible is rubbish, as you throw this away. You must tell me that and you must have all the Christians that BRC, they follow this, the, the Zulus, they follow this the
China's everybody in Arabic, this is the only Bible available in order. This is the only Bible available now if Jesus said it is finished, that my work is finished. Now does finish means finished. Will you have a look at it?
Jesus says he very clearly and you see the taco See, please people see the context. And this is life eternal life eternal he came to give life eternal that they might know the the only two gods and Jesus Christ who though has sent and I've glorify the on earth he on Earth
are a glorified God right the of course Yeah. I have finished the work which though gives me I have finished right? Let me just carry on. And now father glorify though me with died ownself with the glory which I had with the before the world wars, so he already Christ has finished so far his job or not. But so far, don't put your words inside the Bible. Does it say so far?
Please read the Bible. Mr. D Does the Bible stop here? Does the Word of God stop here? Now that's about two chapters later on where it says in the same Bible like yours.
in your Bible,
where Jesus Christ Jesus says clearly on the cross, when they when they crucified Him and to others with him on either side, one. And Jesus in the mates, pirate wrote the title and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews. Now let me just find the other portion where it says it is finished a little bit late. I marked it in my Bibles easy to find.
Let me explain to my brother in here. You see this word finished. In john, Chapter 13. Chapter 17 is finished. Again, the same word finished is used.
later on. Maybe after a year, maybe after six months, maybe after six weeks, same word finished is used. Now the translators of this Bible, they can see you can have full time you say finished. So they change the words. Look, this is how the tricks that they have been playing is going on this game is going on eternally. Never. As soon as it doesn't suit them. Look the word there is finished. The other place is finished. So you can't have finished the job twice to get your pay.
When you finished it, you get your pay, you can finish one job, what
if he said the job the whole job that God had given him for you granted him authority of all people. Now this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God, not Jesus Christ. You you, in the Old English is the singular, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have said, I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work by finishing the work, what is what is the difference between completing and finishing?
But now, the trick is that if you use the word finish, as the, as the writers of the King James Version had done, and you use again, his finished is about he had already finished the job. Didn't he get his pay?
Now that other finish, you see, is a man saying I am dead.
That finished job is that he's dead, I'm dying. This is what he's talking about. It is finished with me. Something comes along like that young man, he came along with those questions. And it seemed it was finished with me. Am I right? In other words, I could understand I couldn't grasp it. What am I gonna tell him? You know, the whole thing is like a confusion like a riddle like a conundrum. So it was finished with me. Now, what does that mean that was dead? No. In other words, you feel man that Jesus Christ, same as it is, if he said those words. Number one, we contest the words, but the words are in your Bible, in that Bible, I'm consistent. I'm not using one from here and one from
here is is finished, either when he said, finished, remain finished, or he was deceiving. He wasn't speaking the truth. He's telling what I finished the job and now do your job. Did you forget that he will say I said, When is the use of word I have finished the work which though gave us to me, the Jesus pray to the Father and He says, No Father, glorify though me with thine own self, with the glory which I had was the for the word was, in other words, Here Jesus crisis, the work of God continues in his life. Christ said, you have to resurrect me. He speaks, you're ready. He was ready to do the will of God perfectly to the end, and the glorification of Jesus Christ to place when
Jesus Christ was raised. And he was alive, as you proclaim that forgiveness of sins that has
regretted that is the subject we are discussing on Saturday.
Michael, question was, my final question is on this point. Isn't Jesus Christ the greatest because he gives eternal life? He says, He said himself
that there is somebody coming after me.
Now you say no, you say, Now you say the Holy Spirit. Now, this is what it means. Now you want to debate with me. And if you want to debate with me, the privilege is yours. You see, if you want to debate any subject, all that I've been dealing with so far, or the subjects in the future, it would be your privilege, your privilege, I'm giving Look at me, look at me, look at me. I'm giving you the privilege of organizing a meeting, you organize a meeting here in Cape Town on any subject, whether on the crucifixion, with a Jesus's God, whether the spirit of throne is Mohammed or the Holy Ghost, anything, you organize the meeting, and we will come along and address that meeting, then you can we
can have a debate. But here is now question time. And as a finished is finished. When is the man said he finished it? And he's asking these reward? Right? So unless, again, he's speaking with a tongue in cheek.
Fuller, I know this finish. But finish can be used in to
finish when I in this explanation. When I paint the house or anything, I'm not a painter. When I paint it out, when I say I've finished I mean I finished by the house, when I'm in a boxing ring, and I have that old knocked me down, which finished with me. When Christ is finished, he means that he was he was away and fits the meaning. But what do you say about this Mr. Medina, according to Exodus, right in musters I fully respect you, but never put words into your uncle's mouth. kasanka individual, I think.
It says here.
And God said unto Moses, I am the I Am. And he said, Thou shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, and sent you now Moses was in and I remember man the night when you have said it, Jesus Christ. It's all in my question, then I'm putting the point out. Now I want to be briefly right
It's all this, that Christ. He said that our eyes a prophet just like was unto you, beloved brothers put my mouth in words into his mouth, He will speak what is right. I praying, you're begging on that pause last night even. And you didn't answer me You sit down. Now listen to this. Wait, I am repeating a question. Yeah, this is the question.
Now it was Moses said, I am God told Moses and the MFC de la Mr. Ahmed, I am this is what Jesus saying, I am come in my father's name. And he received me not. If another southcom in his own name, email you received to nothing that I will accuse you
to the Father. There is one that accused you, even Moses in woman's
head, he believed Moses, you would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Now, Mr. amati, that the people that choose that I didn't even believe Moses. So this is the fact why Christ came. And Mr. Dida, what do you say about this two things will crush it. I am come and have done with UFC. And Moses said, God told Moses first told him, I am FCD.
my son is all confused. You know, I don't know the Holy Spirit. You know, the Holy Ghost is letting him down left, right and center. He started with the quotation from the book of Exodus, where Moses wants to know from God God commands in go along and liberate my people.
So he wants to know, what shall I tell the people who sent you who sent me?
So in Hebrew, the word words are, you see, you don't know Hebrew, the thing is, you should bring your meaning you know your meaning that you don't do well in Germany. He doesn't believe in Germany. So, yes, is what he says is, is another question to come up. Yes, sorry. What he says is this,
that tell the people, a Asher A, this is Hebrew means I am that what I am, what you're worried about my name, go and tell them that I sent you.
He didn't give his name. He will use the word which they have translated as I am. So now they want to say that Jesus is God, because when they were looking for him, this is they're looking for Jesus. So he said I am. So that means he's God. Because God said I am.
I said, Look, you could be looking for Mata
and you come to me, so you see that?
Am I claiming divinity? Am God because God says I am an Allah, I am God. So he said I am so I also said I am that I am means God is a funny kind of logic. You know, it, bring you a priest along this guy, you know, who's supposed to brainwash you program you bring their fellow here, it makes us easy to talk. But now,
I think I'm a prisoner reading
them had the privilege to come to the microphone, please. I would like you to explain, could you lift the microphone, I would like you to explain to everybody what your idea of a Christian is. Because in your lecture, you referred to the Reverend john John's, implying that he was a Reverend implying that he was a Christian. When you refer to people of different denominations, like the Anglican and the trc, and so on, you are implying to all these folks that they are Christians. But I just would like to tell you what a Christian is. A Christian is a person not in a denomination, not necessarily in a denomination in a purity that way. I would also like to tell you that the Christian
of 1984 today condemns the deeds of the Reverend john John's outdrive. And I would like to tell you, that occasion is one that reminder of the essence and accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Savior and Lord, and is making every effort to walk in His way and employ and employing Geez. Whoa, in the law. Sorry, can we can come back to your questions. repeat your question? Yeah. No, no, I think I understood. The question was about who is a Christian?
According to the definition given
this is the Christian is not supposed to belong to any denomination
that said no denomination. So the Roman Catholics, numbering some 700 million among the so called Christians now he won't accept them. That mean they are not Christian.
Since the DRC belongs to a denomination,
the Dutch Reformed Church supposed to belong to a denomination. So they are not Christians.
He said they don't belong to any denomination.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians, the Seventh Day Adventists are not Christians, the christadelphians are not Christians.
So, as far as I'm concerned, I am not that intolerant. If you tell me that you are a Christian, I accept you. No matter what label you apply on yourself, whatever label you give is not my business. You say you're a Christian, you accept this Bible as your book of authority. You said, Yes, I can talk to you. Whether you're a Jehovah's Witness, whether you're a Seventh Day Adventist, whether you're a Mormon, whatever you are, if you say you are a Christian, as far as I'm concerned, I will treat you as a Christian.
Not answer, I want you to now contradict me to say that these people that that Reformed Church are not Christians. Now, according to your definition. Now you're putting words in my mouth. I say to you, that a Christian does not necessarily belong to any denomination. But now guys, I've already given you my right. What do you say these, that Roman Catholics are the Christians, a Roman Catholic, who has committed his life to Jesus Christ and repented of his sins can be a Christian. I'm not here to condemn anybody. I'm here to say, my definition of a Christian as the Bible describes what a person must do to become a that is what the Jehovah's Witness say? No, they say
that you are not a Christian. They say you are a pagan. I'm not saying that the Jehovah's Witness say you are a Trinitarian. And as such, you are a worshipper of three gods. Am I right? That's what the Jehovah's Witness say about you know, what the Java's witnesses, they tell me that you are not a Christian. MIT accept their words against yours. You must read the Bible and see what the Bible says about a Christian. But look, the Jehovah's Witness, they are very great readers of the Bible. They read the Bible more than any other sector denomination that which Bible do they read? they printed their own Bible, right?
So I mean, so will you Will you not accept them as Christians? If a Jehovah's Witness comes to repentance, and accepts Jesus Christ into his life, then he is actually that's what he claims. So if they claim what you are claiming for yourself, and that is my definition of a Christian, to me, you say you're a Christian, I accept you. that other guy says is a Christian, whoever says is a Christian, as far as I'm concerned, I'm there to, to deal with you. Mr. Medina, in your lecture, you said that Paul, is the most is, and Paul has written more episodes than anybody else in Christ now to say, Christ, and his followers, his apostles, Paul and his epistles, which was his letters, and
the Gospel of St. JOHN, actually look into it, and all the skies with just the Gospels, but listen to this add up together. And as pictured here, is it Mr. Medina, how many books are pulled out towards the gospel of Christ? Right? Oops, according to Christ, of his disciples, 102 verses and the Apostle Paul have about 95 brothers sorry.
cry. I don't know what the question. Could you just put the question to him first.
I imagine the question is this. In your lecture, you have said that, Paul,
have mo e pistols, which means letters written than any others. That was Christ? Paul, as written and he's done more miraculous work, then Christ?
Did I say he performed more miraculous work than Christ? When I say any such things?
please, oh, please leave it out my son. Look, leave it out. Leave it out. You say, look, you and I, we are pulled apart in our thinking and understanding this language of English. You are telling me things that I never said. Sorry that he performed miracles. And anybody did I ever uttered those words was it was not a part of the subject. Mr. Obama didn't. When I say miracle, I don't mean I actually make the explanation. Sorry. There's somebody else there was gonna put a question. Right. Thank you.
Sorry, but I just would like to justify one thing. You didn't say that he reheated more episodes or roadmap pieces. But I put it down here. You said grace. The teaching of grace is Pauline. Not from the others. That's what you said. Is it correct? So no.
I think that is, according to Scripture, not correct. Because in First Peter, very, very clearly, that Peter writes here in First Peter one, verse three, praise Peter, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, in his great mercy, he has given us a new birth into the leading hope,
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, etc, here very clearly in this whole passage, and I would like to encourage the whole audience to read the letters of Peter, who was one of the closest of Jesus followers, as well as the letters of john, and very clearly you take the time tonight, very clearly, you will find that grace is extended their grace comes through Jesus Christ by faith, what you put into it is not just holy. This is the trouble. You see, as at any time we have had a conflict with our Christian Brethren, is either Paul, Paul, Paul. Now, Peter, I want to know, what does Jesus say, this is this is the problem is this. Look, Jesus says, I'm talking
about your Lord and Master Jesus Christ. He says, Verily, verily, I say unto you, you're listening, Brother, you can be listening while you're turning the pages, please. The human mind can do two things at the same time.
Jesus is, Verily, verily I say unto you, except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, you shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven, there is no heaven for you, unless you are better than the Jews.
And how can you be better than the Jews by not keeping the laws in the commandments? So now you say the law is nailed to the cross as you are you circumcised? You say, No, I'm talking about the generality of Christian then maybe for construction or some other reason, sickness, you might have been circumcised, but as religiously, are you circumcised?
I'm asking you, are you circumcised? I don't think you know the answer to this question. Right. You know, the thing is, you are not circumcised. The Christian says he is not circumcised. Because he's not bound by the law.
He is not bound by the law. As a way did you get that? So he's gonna quote Corinthians and Philippians and Colossians. And Peter and James, I say, what does your Jesus say? Jesus says, one jot or one people shall in no wise pass from the law, to be fulfilled. So can you see we are at loggerheads, because I am following Jesus, the master, whatever the Master says, we say we agree, we accept, because the master was teaching nothing other than Islam. Keep the laws and the commandments, believe in God. And this is what he told the Jews very beautiful.
a learned man of the Jew comes to Jesus. And he says, Good Master, what good thing must I do to gain eternal life?
For Jana Heaven, what must I do? So Jesus says, Why call us now me good? There is none good, except one. That is God. He doesn't deserve to be called even good. According to him. There is only one good that is God. But
but listening better, but he will enter into life, keep the commandments. Salvation, comes by keeping the laws and the commandments. He says he is not of me who does not take his cross and follow me. Take up your cross and follow me. I want to know whether you're following him.
You are you eat the pig? You eat pigs? Right? Did Jesus in the pig? No, he destroyed 2000 pigs, but the Christian damn they are all PG does not. And you say you're following him? Jesus was circumcised. Was he? You follow him? Are you circumcised? He says no. You say you're following him? You see you are accepting words with words is that? I think we split hairs here. Jesus made wine. Do you drink wine? Jesus drank wine. Did you? Do you drink while he was? No, no. Let's be fair. Let's be fair. We don't split. You. You You are to follow him. Mr. T that I think we must be fair. Yeah. And I think Time is running out. Time is running out. You have got a very good point when you say
here. Before I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds or surpasses ever the Pharisees, who were the most religious and the most sort of people, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, who those who keep the load the.no one else, like Mr. Diaz is the most perfect Muslim, perhaps in the country. But Jesus says, If you surpass your righteousness, you must pass rushers. Well, how can you surpass the righteousness? The young man you quoted now? He said, keep the loan. He said, The young man said, but I perfect. I'm like the Pharisees. I have kept everything. But the Jesus says, There is something in your heart which is not right, as your wealth and he said, serve his words and then and
come in for
Follow me, that is to follow Jesus, how to become more than a Pharisees how to be how to become righteous to follow Jesus, thank you. He explained to the Christians, his followers, how to be better than the Jews.
He just didn't leave it in the air, making beautiful statements. He said, when you fast now his disciples, the Christians, if they are his followers, when you fast, not fast as the hypocrites do,
how you can be better than the Jew, the Jew was fasting. He was praying, he was giving charity. He was st jacket in his life. But you are supposed to be better than that. Which way, Jesus explained.
He said, when you fast, do not fast as the hypocrites do. They do not wash their faces, and they don't brush their hair. Who the Jews to be seen of men, in other words, is with Mark in their eyes, or the medical exam and to sit down please, just please.
We had enough of it already.
With mark in the eyes, you know, blooming feeling is what's wrong uncle says that I'm fasting. See, leaves the impression that Mr. de dar is a very pious religious man, out of season and in season is fasting. So he says, No, no, no, you, when you fast, you must wash your face and brush your hair, have a happy countenance. Nobody knows that you're fasting, because you're fasting for the love of God. So you can be better than the Jews
by doing that, but on a higher level, the Jews when they committed adultery, they were guilty. You My followers, Jesus says, if the thought goes through your mind, Whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
So no beauty contests for you know long less conscious for you. This is what he means better than the Jew, you keep the laws. But on a higher level. When you give charity, the Jews made a big noise is you know soon. So his wife was in hospital, childbirth, and you couldn't bail her out, I had to help him with the 250 rounds. I tell the whole world you know, I helped him, I helped her brother 250 rounds I gave. So I'm boosting my ego at his expense. So Jesus says no, when you give what your left hand gives your right hand was a no case. So he's explaining to you every step how you can be better than the Jews, not by not keeping the laws and the commandments. But by keeping the laws on
the commandments on a higher spiritual level, which the Christian is only accepting words by words. So you accept you follow him? Follow him. So which way are you following him? You don't look like him. You don't behave like him. You your diet is not like his in everything. He's just the opposite of what you have been doing. If he comes along in a second coming. I'm telling you, our Christian brethren in the free state. And if they recognize him, what's he gonna do with him? take him home, and they pick on the spit. They're gonna praise it for him. He's gonna run it.
Can you see? So in other words, look, he will be most uncomfortable with you. But if he comes to my house, any Muslim home, you know, my wife will be like his mother. My children will be like his brothers and sisters. If he had them. He'll be more at home with the hygienically. He'll be more like with me, then with that.
Our Mr. Cunningham, and the fourth. You remember?
Jesus will be wondering that can can have water, you won't hide you haven't been in.
Look, he'll be more at home with us than with you. It is we who are following his teachings, not the Christians. Because you quoted again, Peter, you quote Paul and Paul and Paul. I said, What did Jesus say? Please, for goodness sake, why didn't you tell me this is what Jesus said. Jesus said the work is finished and the work is finished whilst with Darwin and hamdulillah Let me remind you that the Quran translations for sale on the stage generates for two or seminarians 50 for one, we thank you one and all and those who put questions we thank you too. Thank you.