Channel: Ahmed Deedat
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welcome all of you here tonight
dialogue between Christianity and Islam.
First I have a few announcements.
There can be no recording here at the podium we
no recorder should be brought up here.
Instead, this This lecture will be recorded and their cassettes available and also video tapes available. And if all of you have read this announcement sheet also available our
video cassette of the Jimmy Swaggart army dot debate
from Baton Rouge, Monday.
Also on the sheet, you will find
plenty of space hopefully to take notes and write questions. We're going to welcome written questions and also anyone who would like to come up at the question time after the lecture is completed. I can come up here to this microphone and and ask any question one question each and they can have it answered. And if you have more questions in that you can submit it in written questions to the ushers who will come and collect them after the lecture. And inshallah all those questions will be answered.
To introduce our speaker Ahmed deedat.
Emily, dad is the director of the Islamic Propagation center International, of Durban, South Africa.
He's a scholar of the Christian Bible, who has been engaged for these last 40 years in Christian Muslim dialogue.
The purpose of his visit to United States
was to meet Jimmy Swaggart in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where they engaged in a very friendly debate.
Is it itinerari? Here United States after Baton Rouge he went to Tucson, Arizona for a debate then to Lawrence, Kansas. And after this debate, he or this lecture he will be going to Kansas City, Missouri.
Mr. De Dodd is a author of many booklets, for example, Christianity in Islam, or credit, Jesus Christ in Islam is the Bible, God's word, Muhammad in the Bible, and the God that never was.
Mr. De Dodd has attracted a lot of attention, especially from American scholars.
He's a met in debate.
Scholars as Professor Simkins of the Johnson Bible College of Johnson, Tennessee, Dr. Joshua McDowell,
Floyd Clark, Dr. Anisha, Ruth, Jimmy Swaggart and Dr. Robert Douglas.
Before the start of this lecture, we're going to have a reading from the Muslim sacred book the Holy Quran.
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dispute not with the people of the book, save in the fair manner, except for those of them that do wrong, and say we believe in what has been revealed unto us, and what has been revealed to you. Our God is your God.
Our God and your God are one, and to Him we have surrendered.
Even so, we have revealed to be the book, those to whom we are given the book, believe in it. And some of these believe in it, and none denies our science but the unbelievers.
Not before this, though, oh, Mohammed, recite any book or inscribe it with a right hand. For then those who follow false would would have doubted may rather His Signs clear signs in the breasts of those who have been given knowledge and none denies our signs but evildoers.
I would like to have everyone welcome our speaker, Mr. Ahmed. deedat.
Will you be lonely shaytani r rajim Bismillah Ar Rahman Rahim Allah rubbish really sorry. We're silly. Emery.
melissani Yakubu Ali sakala for the kilometer as you z is to chairman and burden.
The words you heard from my lips.
Were a prayer from the Holy Quran.
The prayer of the Holy Prophet Moses. I was not trying to hypnotize or mesmerize you in any way, I can assure you that.
This was a prayer uttered by the Holy Prophet Moses, according to the Holy Quran. When he was commissioned
to go before Pharaoh, and ask that his people be free.
Moses interpretation he cries to God,
Allah He said, rubbish really suddenly says, Oh, my Lord, expand for me, my breast, meaning make me brave.
All our rubbish, really sorry, were Silly me and make my past easy for me was
sunny, and remove the impediments from my speech, Jessica, who told me that they may understand what I have to say. So I feel that I have more need for such a prayer than Moses. Because in communication, there are so many barriers, so many impediments in speech. And one of the greatest of impediments is psychological.
You see, when one comes from another world, another philosophy, another ideology, addressing another of a different
concept and ideas and background, the prejudice is there. And I pray to God that may remove these impediments between us in communicating the knowledge about God and His ways. The subject,
as has been advertised, is
in Christianity, and in Islam.
If I were to short circuit, or quicken the explanation with regards to Christianity and Jesus Christ,
I could quote you from some of the Christian missionary
the evangelists, the preachers, you see, they always talk about the three lemmas It's a new word I came across in one of your publications, Christian missionary publication, three lemmas.
And never heard of the word before. But what they're talking about is three L's, three L's. This is Jesus Christ. Either he was a liar,
a lunatic, or Lord? Have you heard that before? Either he is a liar, or a lunatic or Lord.
This is the Christian position the bulk of Christian then they say that he is Lord, that is God. We will go into the details of the matter, but they put it to others even to the Muslims. Was Jesus a liar? No Muslim can ever say he was because we believe that Jesus Christ was one of the mightiest messengers of God, we believe. We believe that he was the Messiah.
That he was born miraculously, which many modern day Christians do not believe today. And we believe that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission. So we can't say he was a liar. Was he a lunatic? No, this is he was no lunatic. He was the wisest of men
was the Lord, we question that. You see, the Christian is giving us new alternative he strike cornering us. Either we accept this or that? It's black or white?
We say what about in between the two black and white that endless shades of gray? Do you see them at all? So look, why can't he be a Messiah? Why can't he be a mighty messenger of God? Why must he be a liar? a lunatic or or bored?
Now, what is the Muslim position? Are you at the back? Are you are all able to hear me? All right?
So the Muslim now what he says is this in the Holy Quran, whatever I say, it is backed up by my own holy book, is not that I'm trying to placate you are trying to curry favor with my non Muslim brothers and sisters in the audience, that if I say a few good words, about Jesus Christ, maybe you in turn might say a few good words about Muhammad, that if I scratch your back, you might scratch my back? No, I assure you, that is not the reasoning behind what I'm telling you. Now, what I'm going to tell you.
The Holy Prophet Jesus is mentioned in the Quran.
This Holy Book of Islam, the Holy Quran, is mentioned in this book by name no less than 25 times by name.
The name Muhammad, in this book, supposed to be the book brought about by Muhammad concocted by Muhammad
the name Muhammad only Aug five times four times as Muhammad and one time as an alternative.
name for Mohammed five times Jesus Christ, five times the number, the name Muhammad aka, isn't it strange?
Isn't it strange? The man who brings the book his own name is only mentioned five times and his opponent is opposition mentioned 25 times if there is such a thing as his opponent, his opposition? No, we say there's no opposition. These are there is a brotherhood of prophethood and they belong to the same brotherhood.
The birth of Jesus Christ is mentioned in this book, the narration about the Annunciation and the birth.
The name of Muhammad's birth, not only about his birth, but where he was born is not sure
where he died is not here. His father's name is not there. His mother's name is not there. His wife's name is not there. his daughter's name is not there. Amazing, amazing book. This is look at this, and Encyclopedia 1920 pages.
And in this book, the person who's supposed to have written this book,
he's only own place of birth, very die, no mention his dear friends, Abubakar natya. Omar, not the Osman, not the alley, not the amazing book this is
is unlike any other book that you have known, or you will ever know.
You see a unique book, unique from every point of view.
There is a chapter in this book.
And the name of the chapter is Surah. Maryam surah means chapter. Maria means Mary, in honor of the name of the model of Jesus Christ in this book,
there is no such thing in the Christian Bible. This one I have in my hand here is the authorized King James version of the book of the Bible,
which has 66 books inside is an library or Encyclopedia of 66 books into one book form.
The Roman Catholics they have in their Bible.
This is the Roman Catholic version of the Bible. It has 73 books.
Seven more than the King James Version inside here.
But out of the 66 of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman Catholics, there is not a book
entitled marry, or Jesus. Yeah, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Joshua, on and on and on Matthew, Mark, Luke, john x, Romans Philippians
Galician Corinthians, this new Mary, here is a chapter in this book called surah, Maryam chapter, Mary.
Starting or beginning at the beginning of the birth of Jesus, the in this book, this translation, it has an index.
At the end of the book, there's a very comprehensive index.
What do you want to know? You wanna know something about Jesus? That's the subject of this evening's talk. So you open up Jay, just like a dictionary. And he said, Now let's see what it says about Jesus, about my hero,
about my Lord, in inverted commas about my Lord.
So, I'm reading to you from the index, some of the titles under the heading Jesus,
Jesus, a righteous prophet is a true prophet of God says the book, The Quran, not my words. This is what the Holy Book of Islam says, he's a righteous Prophet, his birth is described in two places, chapter three, verses 45 to 47, Chapter 19, verses 22 to 33. He's apostle to Israel, his disciples taken up like Adam, not crucified, no more than apostel not God, not Son of God. His message in miracles, he prays for a table of Viens he thought new false worship, his disciples declared themselves Muslims, his mission limited.
His followers have compassion and mercy, his disciples as God's helpers, as a sign, prophesied aftermath, which is another name for Mohammed.
These are some of the headings, subtitles, and the public Jesus.
Now to let's begin at the beginning, the birth of Jesus in chapter three, known as Surah Al Imran, the family of Iran. Imran comes up with the word the father of Moses, the family of Iran.
chapter three verse 42. It reads Bismillahirrahmanirrahim in the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. What is Allah till mala Katya Miriam says, Behold, the angel said O'Meara
in Allah hasta la ke what the hierarchy was tafadzwa alonside Allah mean that God Almighty has chosen the and purified the chosen the above the women of all nations.
Now such an honor is not to be found given to marry the mother of Jesus, even in the Christian Bible, that marry the mother of Jesus. She was a woman chosen about the women of all nations.
Jamar Yamaguchi lira Dickey was do the work, Mr. Robin says only worship the Lord devoutly, prostrate thyself and bow down in prayer with those who bow down, Valley come in and buy it.
So this is part of the tidings of the things I'm seeing which we reveal unto the apostle by inspiration.
Where does mahama get his knowledge from? about Jesus? He was an illiterate man, a man who didn't know how to read or write.
Where did his knowledge come from? Oh, but what is speaking? So God Almighty, that shows him and through him, assuring us that this is the revelation of God given to him his knowledge is from God.
The Christian missionary, the evangelists, the preacher, he says, No, Mohammed concocted this book.
Muhammad wrote about this his own creation, we said he was illiterate. And
he said, yes, maybe. But you see even illiterate people they can be geniuses, man who has had no formal education, learning, he can be a genius. He can be a great orator. He can be a great thinker. So why could he not have dictated
you know, his own creation, he must have come across other heard about other things spoken about Jesus and the prophets, and from whatever he heard, he can rehash the whole thing in a far more beautiful language than what he has been hearing. Why could he not have dictated it?
we Muslims have to agree, that is a possibility he could have dictated it.
But to prove to you that it was not so
I want you, the audience to agree with me on just one point.
I don't want you to accept him as the veritable messenger of God, a true prophet of God. No, no, asking too much.
The only one little request I make from you is to admit that Muhammad was an error. That's all
Is there any difficulty
Anybody Please tell me if there's a difficulty in you accepting that Mohammed was an Arab, he was not an Indian. He was no Eskimo. He was no Greek or Roman, he was an error, any difficulty?
any difficulty? I want to know from you all, no difficulty.
That is all. Thank you very much. Now this Arab,
in NaVi analyze this Arab, in the first instance is telling other Arabs.
If you wrote the book, if he uttered these words, then he's telling other Arabs, he wasn't talking to the Malaysians, Indonesians, Africans know, he was talking to the other Arabs, his own people. And he's telling the other errors that Jesus I'm sorry Mary, the mother of Jesus, she was chosen about the women of all nations, not his own wife, or mother or daughter. We Muslims believe Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet sallahu wa salam peace be upon him, will be the leader of the women of paradise. That's our belief.
But her name is even not mentioned in the book.
And he is going out of his way to tell his people that at us, she was chosen above the women of all nations.
I'm asking please account for that. Why would an Arab go out of his way to provoke his own people and go and honor a woman of his or her mother of his opposition? If there was a God
telling them that not my wife, not my daughter, not my mother?
Mary, the mother of Jesus, as I account for that. If you wrote the book, why would you do such a silly thing? From the worldly point of view? It's silly. Because to me, and to you, to me, my mother, there's no better woman in the world has ever been than my mother or my wife or my daughter. Why yours? Why Jimmy Swaggart?
You know my opponent in a debate on Monday night why his unless I am forced am commanded by a higher source to say that Jimmy Swaggart mother or his wife, Francis is the best woman in the world in the sight of God. She is the Immaculate one who would make me to say that only God can force me to say that on our own. Never my mother, my wife, my daughter, you agree. This man is honoring Mary, the mother of Jesus. The narration continues from chapter three now was 45
it says, Why is Patil Malika to Yama, Yama, so Behold, the angel said oh marry. In Allah Ha. yerba shiraki be Kalamata mean, who that God Almighty gives you blood tidings. The good news of a word from him is moolah See? His name will be the Messiah. Translated Christ is mahalo mercy, who is up Mariama Jesus, the son of Mary, washing hands with dunya, while our Hara held in honor in this world, and in the Hereafter, Jesus held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, terminal makara been and of the company of those nearest to God,
as the Christian would put it, sitting on the right hand of God,
He will say, yes, metaphorically, God hasn't got a right hand and the left hand.
See, he's a spiritual being. He's not sitting on some chair, glorified chair. What is a throne is somebody sitting on his right side and somebody sitting on his left side and somebody sitting in front of him, somebody sitting behind him, there is no front and back, left and rear. Nothing in the sight of law. So it is, in the sense we Eastern people when we say the man on my right hand, meaning my advisor, my prime minister, on my right hand in publicity on my left hand, but he's my right hand man. This figurative metaphorical is not literal.
Helen Reese introspect in this world, and in the hereafter woman and mocha be what you call the moon, NASA, and He will speak to the people who Jesus, He will speak to the people who will Madiba Caitlyn in childhood and in maturity, woman Assad hain, and he shall be of the company of the righteous.
When this good news is given to Mary the mother of Jesus, she responds, she says Carla turabian Nadia cannoli, valadon willemijn, Saxony Bhatia. She said, Oh my Lord, how shall I have a son when Newman has touched me? Physically sexually?
The angel gives reply, so Allah sallallahu yakusoku Masha said, Even so, Allah creates what He wills visa tada Imran, whenever he decrees a matter by nama yaku.
He merely says to be needy, about to create is an act of will. Whatever he wants to create, he wills it and the thing comes into being
for him to create a Jesus
Without a human father, just like that, for him to create millions of Jesus's without father and without mother, just like that. But who's gonna breastfeed those little Jesus's
Jesus needed a mother. So God gave her the good news. And this is so was Jesus Christ born? This the Muslim believes, without any proof from the outside without any convincing from the Christians, we believe, because we know this mighty messenger of God, Muhammad had no reason to lie. Why would he tell us all these things
is he had created this religion of Islam, if he had concocted it, surely he must have that imagination that sooner or later, my followers will have come into conflict with the Christians.
And if there is a conflict, let me give them some strong weapon to deal the Christians with how to subdue them. And one of the strongest of weapons is religion
is far better than philosophy and psychology and logic and all these things far better, far superior to all these weapons tools in an argument or a debate is residual laugh the guy off man laughing off.
Very easy. You come to me with an idea that a Jewish girl 2000 years ago, she heard some voices. And they're on she became pregnant, and she gave birth to a child.
You want me to believe that?
I'm asking you. I said you know you have a system. You know how to read from childhood you grew together? Maybe you were twins. One boy, one girl. And you are thinking like minded. And you know how immaculate Your sister is. She never spoke a line like as far as you know.
And this sister of yours is telling you. This is you know, brother.
I had some voices. And now this is a six month now I'm telling you be nice going into ninth month now. A baby. You believe her? You?
Can you believe this GPS. 2000 years ago, she said she heard voices.
Naturally not. He said, Look, your mother, in the absence of your father is going away for many years. She says you know she didn't have your father. And now she's getting your baby. She's met him in a dream in the dream. And now she's pregnant and she's getting a baby, your mother, a big believer? Would you believe your own mother?
You say no. Then how can you believe this dress 2000 years ago?
I laugh You laugh you to scorn and there is no better way. Come on, come on, come forward. Now explain to me how
know the Muslim can do that. He can he did not do that. Because if he accepts this book as the book of God, God tells him that so it was no arguments. We say Amina said that now we hear and we have mvfr.
So we are made to affirm that Jesus Christ was one of the mightiest messengers of God.
He was a great miracle worker.
And the very first miracle attributed to him in the Holy Quran
is to be found in Surah Maryam that chapter Mary in order of the name of the mother of Jesus Christ, Chapter 19
it tells us that after the enunciation, you know, the good news was given to her and she carried the baby and when the time for childbirth came around the time she retired to a remote place in the East alone, there is no choice of the carpenter and the stable here. In the Quran. There is no Joseph the carpenter and there is no stable here.
She retires to a remote place in the east and after the birth of the child she returns with the baby that the Quran describes that the baby he called Maha milou who say at lunch she brought the baby to her people carrying him in her.
Car Lou, Jamar young Lakota, Cheyenne fairy, they said, Oh Mary, truly an amazing thing has abroad shocked knowing that she came from a mobile priestly family. She was a Luddite.
And coming from such a noble priestly family, Xiao Haruna, or sister of Harun
Addison, from Moses and Aaron David de bite, and she's also a lead bite. Mary Delta Haruna or sister of Harun Makana Abu Kimura. So in Rama Khanna mageba says Your father was not a man of evil, nor was the mother a woman and chaste.
They are insinuating alleging How is it that you brought this illegitimate child without a husband?
What did she do?
where he's her people in a mood to listen to her to her reasoning through her telling you this fairy tale that I heard voices and and I'm getting a babe with her in a mood to listen to her? Of course not. Would you be if you were then 2000 years ago would you listen to her?
What is she to do? The only thing she knew was the child. She knew that this was no ordinary child. So ashara la she merely pointed to the babe in other ask him.
So they say, Hi, Luca, Luca Lieberman can a filmmaker Maggie sabia said, How can you talk to one with a child in the cradle? An infant, a sapling? How can you talk to him? In by a miracle says the Quran. Jesus spoke and defended his mother against an unbelieving audience. So Paula Abdullah Somu certainly I am the servant of Allah. Tawny Al Kitab. He has given me revelation, which Island in Libya, and he has made me a prophet.
Jelani Mubarak and aina macoun to bow Sani de sala de voz de cada moto hija baba baba baba valley that the rajala ninja Baron shafia he continues. This has made me kind to my mother and not overbearing a miserable masala Malaya Houma will it too, so peace beyond me that did that I was born. Well, yo mama to the day that I die. Well Yama, Oba. So hi Yah, and the data shall be raised to life again. Such was Jesus, the son of Mary, the apostle of God says the Holy Quran.
So I reaffirm that we believe in Jesus Christ, as one of the mightiest messengers of God, we believe in his miraculous birth. We believe that he was the Messiah, we believe that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and he was born blind and delivers by God's permission.
We are going together.
We Muslims and the Christians are going together. There are 1000 200 million Christians in the world today, and 1000 million Muslims, over 2 billion people who believe in Jesus
and we are going together. Now things are parting of the way. See, I would be a hypocrite. If I keep on speaking, repeating. You know all the other beautiful things that the Quran speaks about Jesus and close the meeting. I would be hypocrite I would be deceiving. I have to now tell you that there is a Parting of the Ways between you and me, between the Christian and the Muslim. And that is the Muslim is made to say that Jesus Christ is not God.
He is not God Almighty in human form. He is not God incarnate God taking human form. And he is not the big God and Son of God.
Metaphorically, we are all the children of God, the good and the bad. We are all children.
But physically, we say God does not be gay. Because begetting is an animal act, it belongs to the lower animal functions of sex, and we are not to attribute such equality to God, the Christian in his infatuation. He goes out of his way to say Look, he is the veritable Son of God, God we got a son, Jesus is the only begotten Son. We got an not made. That is what he says in his catechism. I have read them. The Anglican catechism, the Roman Catholic catechism, the Methodist catechism, the Lutheran catechism,
in which we are told that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and it goes on. This is bigger than not made.
Don't make a mistake. It's not like Adam, Adam was made by God.
Every doc pigeon donkey was made by God. As such, He is the Lord cherishes, sustainer and evolver of all his creation. He is the father of everything, everybody. But no, Jesus is not like that. He was the button not made.
And I have been asking Englishman English speaking people.
I said, Excuse me, please. do see English is a foreign language to me. I acquired the smattering of what I'm speaking to you now by speaking speaking speaking and have become a speaker.
So as a look, please explain to me when you say in your language, we got an not made What are you trying to emphasize?
Please explain and believe me, no English man with the name English man has ever opened his mouth to me. I only want an explanation what you're trying to tell me when you said we got not me.
Because we dating is an animal act. It belongs to the lower animal functions of sex. So how can you attribute such a quality to God? I can call one of these young men here. Some
The older than the young men, you know, I'm about twice the age of most of you. I'm 69.
So any young man is is my son.
You mind if I call you my son? Would you mind? You object? No.
So I call him my son. Maybe he takes a liking to me. After the meeting, he comes closer to me in West new home for a cup of tea and meet my family. And I visit him and somehow we are living close by he visits me
coming and going. He calls me Uncle, uncle, or Grandpa, grandpa, you know, his father, mother, everybody loves me respects me. I call him his son, my son, my son. Every time I go to his house, my son, his son, john, my son. So I go one day with some friends visiting him. I'm asking his mother, where's john? My son is just going to the shop is coming just now Sarah, and he comes.
Hello, john. We embrace one another. Hello, john. So my companion who doesn't know what relationship is asking me, Cz really isn't? Maybe a mistress I might have kept you know, his mother is really your son. This is no you see, this young man he loves me like a father like a grandfather. And I call him a son. Out of endearment. And nobody objects. His father doesn't mind his mother doesn't mind nobody minds. As is No. It is out of love and feeling I have for him. I call him a son. But instead, if I said yes, he is my Begotten Son, you know, the meaning changes.
You understand English? I take it.
Yes, he's my begotten son. You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying? That is a bust.
His father is not his father. I am his father. I was responsible for procreating him. I'm swearing him in the most diplomatic language. He's my begotten son. He says Uncle, what did you say? He understand the meaning. Son, son, son, he didn't mind. But now I'm saying his by begotten son, his uncle, what did you say? I don't mean that.
And yet, I'm telling my companion doesn't doesn't look like my use of at home. My use of is in the front. It doesn't look like my use of you said yes. What am I say? I'm putting salt into the wound. That is legitimate in a beautiful language. And I have been asking Christians, English speaking people. Ask, when you say we got not made, please explain to me what you are really trying to tell me. And I say no English man has ever opened his mouth. It happened to be an American. An American had the guts to tell me what it means. It happened to be in Durban and American was on a tour of South Africa. And I happened to be a guide to the largest mosque in the southern hemisphere, which
is in Durban, and I was guiding him explaining to him what goes on in the mosque.
And during the course of this discussion that was going on, somehow this subject cropped up. And I asked him this question, as his be gotten not made. What do you mean big garden? What does it mean? So is that it means sired by God.
This term used in animal husbandry, you know, this bull side that one and this horse side, the other one, this dog, you know, his father was so and so sired by this and side by that it is used in animal husbandry
sired by God. So what
is no, no, no,
I don't mean that. I'm only telling you what it means. And it means exactly that, saying that God is attributed to God and animal nature, the lower animal functions of sex.
The Muslim takes exception.
The language that you're using, maybe you mean well, you are sincere. I'm not doubting the sincerity. But I said the language is not befitting the majesty of God, that God we got a son, you say it doesn't mean that then I said, Why do you say that? Why are you creating unnecessary conflict between the 1000 million Muslims and 1000 200 million Christians by using a term which you say you don't mean it? If you don't mean it? Why said
no, the Westerner has a sickness? You see, I don't know my words, you know, my language seems at times you say, look, this guy is too militant. As a sickness. You say the English man, I know them very well. I don't know the Americans too. Well, this is only my second trip to the United States in 10 years.
The English man I'm constantly in touch with him. So the English man
you know, when I speak to him,
What are you trying to mean by what you are saying? You see, he is the closest to me, linguistically, somehow.
Let us come to the point
be gotten not made. That this is one of the points of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian.
In the Holy Quran, we are told about God Almighty is a lemmya lead well I'm you lead. He does not beget anything.
Not recording. While on Youku fun, and there's nothing like him, he does not be good. And it's not
the Christian scripture, john 316, every Christian word, the name, preacher, evangelist, bible thumper, hard gospel, ah, call them what you like. They can't help using john 316. In variable, if he wants to clinch a client,
to convert anybody, he must go to john 316. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son he sacrificed His only begotten son, Muslim says What are you talking about? What language are you using? We will be careful, you don't talk about God. So loosely, you English speaking people, you are so particular in the usage of language. If I enter into a contract with any English man, he takes me to a lawyer. And he ties me up in language.
In the contract, he said, I shall do such and such a thing. And there is a dispute and we go to court. So he said, I shall I thought you will do such and such a thing said no, I said I shall I didn't say I will. I can't see the difference between shall and will. But he proves to the judges as I said, I shall I will, and I lose the case is so particular is so good with his language.
But when it comes to religion, he talks anyhow.
Any language is good enough, because he says his love. Now there's a relationship between him and God is not a religion anymore. Christianity is not a religion. A system of codes and laws, ethics and morality is a relationship he has established. So he can say anyhow, whatever he feels like he's infatuated. Anything he can say anything goes.
this is no.
You must be more particular more precise in our usage of language. So this word we gotten was getting stuck in the Muslims throat.
We have been programmed that way. You don't talk a lot about like that.
Where is it says in the Bible, my holy book. So I open the book, Roman Catholic version is there.
I opened the book, the King James version is there is there a button
now they have come out the Christians.
They have come out with the RSV, the Revised Standard Version of the Bible.
RSV they are claiming that this RSV is going to the most ancient manuscripts. These two Here they go to the ancient manuscripts ancient means four to 600 years after Jesus most ancient means two to 300 years after Jesus. So closer to the source, the more authentic and they say they have discovered some 24,000 documents, manuscripts
24,000 manuscripts of these gospels 24,000 in Greek, the amazing thing is new two identical they don't tell you that. No 220 4000 they are all waiting. No two are identical.
That's a challenge to the spoilers as they come forward telling me that any two are identical. How did you pick up these Matthew, Mark, Luke and john? No, just by choice you picked it up like a hot but you have a potluck potluck. We just took this. I like this one you like that one, you like that one, pull it together, you created a book out of the 24,000 no two are identical.
going through those most ancient manuscripts, your scholars have read read, and they find that they would be gotten is not there is not there in your manuscript is not there.
So they took it out. They threw it out as a fabrication as an adulteration. Yeah. RSV, brought about by 32 scholars of the highest eminence, that by 50, cooperating denominations went to produce this book, the RSV, Revised Standard Version of the Bible, going to the most ancient manuscripts. The most authentic of all Bibles is this Bible here. They threw it out the word forgotten as a fabrication.
Was it to please the Muslims? Did the Muslims threaten you? He says, you know, if you don't take that word out, you're blaspheming against God. If you don't take that word out, we won't supply your oil anymore. Is that the reason?
dealing with not so new as threatening to the Muslim world didn't threaten you.
You have taken it out. And I say we Muslims ought to take off our heads to you.
Great people you honest people. You find a thing is a fabrication. You admitted fabrication and expunge it.
We had another problem
With our Christian brother on the Trinity, you said what is one? This? Yes, as a basic what is one? CS But you see, you say Allah is the one and only
we believe in a trinity. He is a Triune God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
So where do you get that from?
somewhere. So he opens the King James Version, he opens the do a version of the Roman Catholics, and all the other translations based on these two versions. And he opens at a place called first episode of john, chapter five, verse seven.
Where it reads,
for there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, God Almighty, the word standing for Jesus, the Word of God, the Quran says he says, Kalima is a word which God bestowed upon Mary, we're
standing with Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one, clear a statement on the Trinity to be found in this encyclopedia, called the Bible. clear statement. Four, there are three that may record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
So I look for it in the Bible, to boost modern up to date Bible brought about by your scholars, 32 scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating denominations, I see is not here.
What happened, that without, without any ceremony, as a fabrication as an adulteration, to appease us,
to appease the Muslims, because we might not supply the oil, or what?
Why did you throw it out? This? No, it was not in the most ancient manuscripts. This is an interpolation people filled it in because they wanted it that way.
Now, these are not our handiwork. I didn't do the job by God. I didn't touch the Bible. I touched the Bible now know whatever you tell me, I believe, the Christian your scars, whatever you tell me, I believe I accept.
So the garden is thrown out.
Trinity's thrown out, you know, why did you throw it out? You know what? Look, this word Trinity is not to be found in the Bible, the word Trinity is not to be found. You will never find the word Trinity in the Bible. In any version of the Bible, you have 100 different versions. In any version, the word Trinity is not there. The foundation of your faith is not there.
In any book of the Bible.
You use words Millenium is not their own creation, Trinity own creation, Millennium yoga, rapture, your own creation, amazing. All these things, your main
bedrock of your belief. The terms that you are using are not to be found in any Bible.
You created them
and you use them and you exploit them.
The word Trinity however, is in the Quran. Amazing. You believe in the Trinity is not in any Bible.
You believe in the Trinity that word is in the Quran.
You want to say it, I could.
If you want to see get this book and the T you'll find Trinity will tell you a chapter so and so Muslims in Trinity, but what does this say about Trinity it says Vallarta kulu thalassa. Don't say Trinity.
Don't believe in such things nonsense. Well otaku selasa don't say Trinity in the Hara, Lacan, this is stop it will be better for you in Nima La Villa why for your God is one God is not three in one is not one in three. And you heeded the warning. It took a long time 1400 years it took you to do that to realize that this is a fabrication 1400 years this Quran the Muslims are reading reciting, telling well otaku, Salah, Salah Taku salasar, but they didn't deliver the message, but somehow God Almighty has delivered the message to you that this is a fabrication, throw it out, and you throw it out. I said, we Muslims was taken from hatched.
We must be honest, they have done a great job making your task easy. They are now in Anglican churches, the bishops, more than 50% of all Anglican bishops. They say you do not have to believe that Jesus is God. You don't have to believe your salvation doesn't depend on that.
So you call them that they are sellouts. Who the arrows vote them out. You have your Bishop so cheap.
What $5,000 10,000 pounds, you buy out all your bishops to make you to renounce the divinity of Christ.
Amazing you people such as your religion, your faith, bishops, the patient of the church.
No, this is truth is the truth will
Come out, but prejudices diehard the bishops, they're dragging their feet. I said you're dragging your feet. Why don't you take it one bowl step like Armstrong, you know when he landed on the moon?
You know, this is one step for men and for humanity, something he said beautiful expression. So why don't you take one bold step and get out of this? You see, you have to now start weeding it out and the bulk of the people don't know what you're doing. They don't know what is happening. This butcher 1952 it was first published. RSV, Revised Standard Version. They also throughout the ascension
in the gospels,
Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, in the four Gospels.
Only two places essentially mentioned essential Mark chapter 16, verse 19.
Luke chapter 24, was 51 that Jesus ascended into heaven, that Jesus ascended into heaven.
Only two places. Now the throughout Mark chapter 16, nine to 20 thrown out as a fabrication. So outcalls, your essential
eight, nine to 20, the verses are thrown out, yeah. Here's the book printed by you people here
printed by the Bible Societies, the three towers of fabrication, essentially, from Luke chapter 10, who was 51 is not there, that he ascended to heaven is thrown out. So in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, not one place is the essential mentioned the bedrock.
The greatest feat of Christendom is Christ going up into heaven is thrown out as a fabrication.
But, you know, some people do play the game.
Yeah, look at this Bible here is also RSV. Look at this, this is also RSV. printed by the same printers you can see same printers, one is a little shiny, because this is newer, this is 52 This is 71. So this is a bit shiny. But otherwise, same color same everything will change for page inside is also same page for page.
What you find when I say look, it is not in the RSV, Revised Standard Version essentially is thrown out, though the Christians amazing thing, the scholars in your manuscripts if it is the word of God, he tells us Matthew tells us that Jesus rode the donkey to Jerusalem. Mark says Jesus rode the donkey into Jerusalem. Luke says Jesus rode the donkey into Jerusalem. JOHN says that Jesus rode the donkey into Jerusalem, all 400% unanimous that Jesus rode that donkey into Jerusalem. This is God Almighty, dictating, inspiring these authors to celebrate my son. in inverted commas rode the donkey into Jerusalem. 100% Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, donkey, donkey, donkey donkey.
Amazing, every Tom Dick and Harry rode the donkeys into Jerusalem 2000 years ago. That's news. That is news. But Jesus went to heaven is not there in any one of these four books. As is taken out as a fabrication. So everything you're fabricating in your religion, what is it? What kind of religion is this?
fabrications? You throw them out? There's no I have an RSV in his day.
It's there. I said, wait.
Look here is taken out. Anybody wants to verify after the meeting come to me I show you open fish thrown out as a fabrication here back again.
Why did you put it back again?
Nobody knows. You see, the layman will never know because the layman he opens the book, whatever it suits him. He starts using open the book. It's got what he wants. He uses it. He doesn't read the preface it scholars do that. preachers do that. evangelists do that. But when they get caught up they will tell the congregation the game that they that the the printers that book The revises Are you playing they won't tell you that what games are is being played. He's catching fish in the fish is getting caught. Good luck. Carry on. It's big business is one of the busiest businesses in the United States start a church. I'm telling you, son, New Moon, I heard him his new patch to me. I'm
telling him speech no question.
This God got Swami Prabhupada who started the Hari Krishna movement. No patch to me in speech is no question. You can try them out. Listen to them, then no question.
Guru Maharaja, Maharishi knew passionately in speech,
you know that, that they are all linking millions. They create and they've been worshipped as Gods people worship them in the universe as God's father divine. He must have been a brilliant man. He was an afro American or a negro, what used to call him there. Right? White people will also worshipping Him, the blacks and the way in which he has gone, anything goes in the United States. Why shouldn't I start a church of my own? You know, I also got the gift of the gab, you agree?
And actually, I can meet millions. I can also do that I can tantalize people. You know,
my religion forbids? I have no right to do that. I have no right.
To speak the truth. So who are you? So look, I'm an ordinary Muslim.
What makes you to come and speak like this? Look, I've been talking, talking and I've talked myself into this.
That's all now I become a talker by talking talking, talking.
No other credit. I don't hear voices. by God. I don't hear any voices. I don't hear what I mean, telling me like some of these guys are claiming. So God comes to intelligence a son,
son again, again, son,
My son? Is that how you got to you? I said, What language does he speak to you? Have you had the chance of asking What language is his son? He didn't call his own son, Jesus, son. He speaks in the third person.
At the baptism, if you remember in the Scriptures, so when he was baptized by john the baptist in the river, Jordan, a voice was heard saying, the voice was heard from heaven saying, This is my Son, in whom I'm well pleased. He's not talking to Jesus, that you are my son, and I will peace with you. No, no. He's telling the other people that this is my Son, in whom I'm well pleased. never spoke to Jesus son, but not to every Tom, Dick and Harry, God is now direct communication, son. So what about this problem, daddy? There is a look, I cannot tell you know, in the writings, I cannot tell you. Why can't you tell you doesn't know the answer this god of yours? Or is it that you are inept?
Something's wrong with you. Why doesn't he tell you is that I cannot tell you what even he cannot tell you.
That is the relationship they established a relationship with God.
This isn't. So
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john essentially thrown but now they put it back. So you read the preface. In the preface, they tell us
that individuals and true church denominations out of the 50 individuals, Bible thumpers hot gospel, preachers, evangelists, they individuals and to church denominations, they protested that this thing should be put back otherwise, we will tell the people don't buy this RSV it is too dangerous. These scholars have done damage to our cause our faith our belief.
So, the pho says the revises in the preface, they say that these the longer ending of Mark nine to 20 and Luke chapter 24, verse 51, are now restored to the tags. Why not? Because God told them so. This is my book. No right to expect anything from our book. You have done it, put it back.
put you into hell. Hell is no joke, says brother Jimmy Swaggart, no joke, and it is no joke.
games games games for money's sake. In the meantime, these revises they made a net profit of $15 million on the RSV $15 million before they got caught out by these breaches before they presented them to restore $15 million big business. The world's best seller posit is the world's best seller, the Bible, good money, big money.
So these are the pictures of Jesus.
The Christian belief is that is God Almighty.
in human form, he is God incarnate. The Muslim says no, God does not incarnate. He doesn't say no, Jesus is not God incarnate. But Muhammad is Jesus is not the Begotten Son of God Muhammad is that Jesus didn't die for people's sins. What Muhammad died, nothing of the kind.
This is a Hindu idea that God becoming a man. My ancestors, I'm an alien. Not a red, Indian, brown Indian from India.
Otherwise, we were put into the reserves. So look, we got a reservation for you. So I don't want any reservation. I come from the east, really east.
My ancestors were Hindus. And you, Muslim from the point of view that two to 400 years ago, my ancestors became Muslim, but before becoming Muslims, we were worshipping Rama as the seventh incarnation of God. We wish
Krishna as the incarnation of God, we wish the Buddha as the ninth incarnation of God. And we believed in endless incarnations because my ancestors, very clever people, very clever people. They reasoned. And the reasoning was very good. They said that God Almighty his superiors, so holy, this absolute holiness, like holy Robo.
What does the holy Robin know how I feel? When I see a beautiful young thing, even at the age of 69? What does he know? How does he feel the way I feel?
Probably not. Then what right is he to tell me Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife? What does he know what is to convert?
So to be qualified, says said my ancestors, that God Almighty comes down to earth to experience this life to know what he's talking about His Holiness, the Pope, you know, His Holiness, the pope made his pronouncement on birth control,
you know, that they are not to use birth control, but you must use the natural cycle, you know, fertile period in fertile period.
That is valid, not the pill. So when he made that pronouncement, some cynic remarked that the guy who doesn't play the game was ready to lay down the rules. Does the pope play the games we play does he? Does he
know so what is he to tell us about foot alanine? What is you know how I feel when the need arises?
Similarly, my Hindu ancestors reason is God Almighty to be qualified.
And the same God comes up keeps on coming into the world again and again is the same God is only one God Rama is that God the same God came as Krishna the same Caymans Buddha, the king St. James Cullen Kavita the same as Mahatma Gandhi and on and on, they are prepared to believe in endless incarnations.
Not that the logic is good, the Christian
he will reject this idea. He says before Jesus God did not incarnate after Jesus, He will not incarnate he's the only incarnation.
Only time that God came into the world he came as Jesus Christ, not before, not after.
The Muslim says that God does not incarnate at all.
He doesn't become man.
What he does is he chooses a man from among men, one of us flesh and blood in all respects. But that person is so finely attuned. He's so sincere to God, that whatever God commands even the highest spiritual level, what we call revelation, yeah, like the electromagnetic waves of the spiritual world. God Almighty communicates with them on that level, and they in turn, reproduce those messages on our level, sound wave 600 miles an hour. We call such people, prophets of God. They are the mouthpiece of God. They are speaking the words of God, but they are not gods. Similarly, we say that is Jesus, Moses, David Solomon, Muhammad, they are all the mouthpieces of God. As such, we select
them, respect them, reveal them, follow them, but worship, many of them, worship the one and only God that there is the Father in heaven. He is the only God call him Allah.
Calling Jehovah call him what you like, as long as the term that you use is not contaminated.
That's all use any name for him since the Quran, polymer and polymer have him call him by any name.
But we say as long as that name is not contaminated. For example, if I were to tell you, my brothers and sisters, that the name of God Almighty in Islam is Muhammad. As soon as I say Muhammad, you think of an Arab, a camel driver? No.
is if I say the name of God Almighty is Krishna. Do you think of an Aryan in India, the Hindu? As soon as you say his name is Jesus Christ. You think of a Jew, born in the stable to a Jewish girl call Mary. circumcised on the eighth day? That's a picture. So any name that conjures up a mental picture of the divinity of God Almighty is taboo. Don't use such words for Bob, but call him by any name as long as the name is not contaminated. That name is not Jesus is not Mohammed is not Rama is not Krishna, call him Allah, calling Jehovah calling whatever else you don't use these terms for God. So this is the point of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian. Christian says
his God is either a liar, a lunatic or Lord ISIS is neither a liar, nor a lunatic knows a lot. He is what he claimed. He claimed to be the Messiah. He claimed to guide you people to guide us to guide these people from formalism from ceremonial ism into righteousness, the whole truth he came to give them the truth. He showed them the truth. He said, I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by me. That is for his people. You want another way. God
will not accept it. In the time of Moses, the Jews chose another way through the golden calf. As a result of that, God says killed the people, the Jews, the Bani Israel, they were told kill one another, and they killed 24,000 Jews for worshipping the golden calf. He said, I don't want it. They didn't say the top is God. This will be when the worship God through, said, I don't want it. I want you to come to me direct said I am your jealous God, I shall have no other gods before me. Not even at the likeness of the things on Earth, or in the heavens above or in the waters beneath the sea for my name is jealous and I'm a jealous God, our nothing. He said, No, I want it this way. He says I
don't want it.
I was listening to your program. I will end this. I know, I've taken so much of your time. And I'm sure you have a lot of questions to ask. So I will give you that opportunity by end with this example. And living example, from America. I was in my hotel room. I can't remember the town because every night they take him to a new town in a new bed. And I just can't seem to remember verbatim who's I remember? And then yes, Tucson I remember but I don't know where I put on the TV set in my bedroom in the hotel.
And I see brother Jimmy Swaggart is preaching about Babylon. Beautifully done very well. He's got a small team of experts around him, his wife, Francis is also there with something happened. And he asked something and she responded, when I saw her, this is on TV. At the towards the end of this program, just a couple of days back.
One of the experts on the panel of the program, he says, you know, I've been to Mongolia,
Mongolia, in our ultimate emolia and then I visited a Buddhist temple. And I saw the prayer wheel, the wheel on which you know, they offer their prayers. So people come along with the request with the
prayers written on it what do they want, you know, I want to get married I can't get away
and asked me Buddha to provide me with a wife. So look our
difficulties I want some money $75,000 you know, to build a new house I make a request I put it on and the when the wheel is done, they believe that it is the prayer is being transmitted.
See, this is very, very scientific. You transmit messages by pressing buttons or they do by turning of the wheel.
So the asking is what you're doing this turning the wheels No, no, we are sending out messages to Buddha to hear our prayer.
So Jimmy Swaggart, panel expert, he's telling the, the guide, he says but you notice that I have read a lot of books on Buddhism, and would never claim anywhere he's gone.
He stumped the man.
No, where does Buddha say I am God. None of these books that he ever made such a claim that he is God. He said yes. But he said religion God.
We we make him God. He didn't say is God but we make him God. Right? You know, what have you seen what a blessing by god what a message. Jesus didn't say I'm God. He didn't say worship me. Nowhere. This is come I'll teach you how to pray, pray like this. Oh, Our Father which art in heaven was in mind, including Judas, the traitor is the father of everybody.
Over Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Phyllis is the father of Jesus Christ in heaven.
There is equal to God. On the contrary, he says, it says, Hi, my father is greater than I, my father is greater than all he said, I can have my own self do nothing. As I hear, I judge and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of Him that sent me. He said the word you hear are not mine. But the father that sent me he had given me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak, even as a father said unto me, so I speak.
He says, Hi by the finger of God cast out devils, I by the Spirit of God do these things is that all power is given unto me is not my is given
that day Know what? No man, no, not the angels know the son but the Father in heaven. He might knowledge and not like God,
in my power and like God, everything is given to him by God. Glory to Him. When he performed a miracle. Somebody truly remarked in the gospels is that glory to God for giving such powers and to men. That is true tribute. That is a word of truth. Glory to God for giving such powers into men, not to the man to God. So this is the Muslim case. This is the Muslim understanding of the teachings of Jesus as He sees it in the Bible.
And diseases in the Quran. With these words, Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, I'm very, very grateful to the society here for creating such an opportunity for me to come to you and share with you my thoughts on the subject of Jesus Christ in Christianity and Islam, boiserie Dhawan and hamdulillah aalameen.
For those of you who would like to come down and ask one question, may come down to this microphone and ask questions. Those who would prefer to write their question or will have a lot of questions can submit it, or they can raise their hand and submit it to the ushers. And also, if you need a pencil, the ushers have pencils for you.
So we welcome all questions, please.
This mic is too close.
Okay, now we'll begin with uh, with the oral questions, please.
Sir, you claim that Jesus never said he was God? That
I'm sure you're familiar with that where you took the name of god that was described to Moses, when God said to Moses, the name that he wanted to be called forever and generations, he said, I am who I am Jesus and Gianni 58. When asked you know who it was, he said, Before Abraham was, I am. And then right after that the Jews, the Pharisees took up stones to stone him because he committed blasphemy, claiming to be God on my hands.
Shall I repeat my words? I said, No way. Did Jesus ever say I am God? No way. Did he say
that English? I don't know whether the Americans understand the English the way I understand. I said, he said, No way. Did he say I am God. No way did he say worship me. Now you quote me a verse. He didn't say I am God, did he? He said I am. He didn't say I am God.
Let's Let's the English the language that I'm using. I hope we are you remember at the beginning I offered a prayer.
Remove the impediment from my speech, psychological barriers. You see I'm thinking something talking something you understanding something else. I said where he said, I am God. Where he says worship me nothing. So you quoting something else I will respond. I will not brush you off. So this is of no consequence. No.
He did this, the asking him he says
in the garden of getsemani you see they come looking for Jesus.
And he's asking whom seekers are you people who are looking for they say Jesus says I am Here I am He who? God they were looking for God no it says I am He who Jesus the one you're looking for. If some of your FBI or CIA fellow comes along looking for D that is the who is the that here?
I said I am
what God when I say I am no I am Lee that so now if a person is looking for trouble
you see when you're looking for faults and the Jews were looking for trouble against Jesus any excuse every excuse slide or something he says they pick up stone stone again to stone. Why? Because as you claim such and such a thing. u plus v u plus in David always continuously out to get him out to catch him out. Because they didn't like his preaching.
Jesus, okay, Jesus. Now, is it normal for a person to say before Abraham was I in life? So no, no, no, right? That That's right. So, so now this would I am is from the Old Testament?
No, no, no, no. Moses goes to the Mount. And when his condition to go and liberate his people,
he says, asking God is a look what shall I say Who sent you?
So he said, Look, I am what I am a I shall a in Hebrew. That's what he said. A shall a means I am whatever I am. And this is don't bother about who sent you. I sent you go man. What you asking me names. I am.
Please, please, please, please. You see the question. I hope you'll go and sit down. Because this is not a debate. You ask a question. I will answer please sit down. Please sit down later there in the front seat. There's a chair. Sit on
You asked the question. I will respond. You say but this is a debate and debate I had with Jimmy Swaggart
is he you don't want
So, God tells Moses Goldman go a sharp a, I am what I am what you bothered about who I am, somebody comes along to look at my friend here today is Who are you? Maybe he's in charge of this establishment say, Look, don't bother about all that you put that thing there. What is Who are you as I am, whatever I am, do the job, man.
So that word in the Greek translation is Hold on.
Hold on, I am in Greek, your Septuagint, the Greek scriptures of the Old Testament, the word they is Hold on, means I am in the New Testament, the Greek word is ego me
is not the same word. Whatever it means in Hebrew or Greek, I don't know. But it's not the same word. Who on ego me?
Then before Abraham was, I am, I am.
Before Abraham was, I am. I said, Now how was he? Was he with God? I accept he was with God.
See, he was with God. I see you also with God. I was also there. Jeremiah tells us God tells Jeremiah, it says, before you were in your mother's womb, I knew you.
And I made you a prophet to the nations before you went into your mother's womb, Jeremiah, you read that?
gentleman, God says, I knew you before you were in your mother's womb, I made you a prophet. How what kind of a prophet is this? Before he was in his mother's womb is the Prophet was he with God? Of course he was with God. In other words, in the knowledge of God, Jeremiah was there. Jesus was there, Muhammad was there. Hitler was there, Reagan was there, everybody was there. You mean everybody in the knowledge of God? He knew long before, you know, the creation of Adam and Eve, that they will be a night, this guy that, you know, he'll go and lecture and you might send I don't know your name, but you will come along, and you'll do the first question. He knew all that in his
knowledge. But you will not say in this form. I was not there in this form. Jesus already in that form, in the knowledge, everything was there, that is the all knowing God, long before him, he knows everything you say? So in that sense, Jesus was there with God. Before Abraham was born in this world before historically, chronologically, Abraham came on Earth. Jesus was there. In his knowledge in his plan. He had Jesus there. He had Muhammad there, he had Hitler there. He had Reagan. Can you say, before Abraham was born Reagan? Was there D that was there. Everybody was there? How? What form shape size? No, no form, no shape, no size, knowledge?
is self knowledge. He's omniscient, do you say that? God Almighty is omniscient. He is all knowing. He is all knowing he knows. Everything before and after it is to ask before now and after in the sight of God, there is no before now and after it's all
an open book. That is our understanding of the expression why the Jews took exception. They were taking exception to everything
you see in john chapter 10, verse 30, you remember they took up stones against the stoning You know why? Because he said I am a father I want
you read the context and you find is a series of deliberate misunderstanding.
So when you're looking for trouble, you get it on the corner. You don't have to go very far. This is human beings. Every innocent expression you make I can find fault with it. You know that? Like the word sons my son. So what do you mean? You knew my mother? No, son, I don't mean that as you still call me a son. You know, you can bash me on the job. It has happened to me see, my country is this country you know full of color, separation apartheid, and traveling in a bus Pullman bus I don't know you have things like that here from the north coast without got married and I'm coming to Durban you know where I live in I work after a weekend I am returning I'm sitting in the bus. And
while this bus is passing now to Durban the city where I live, and I can see that he's going to the central station, but it passes Ellis street where I work. So I walk up to the driver
and I ask him excuse me brother. Does this bus stop anywhere near illustrate? If so that I can pull the string and nearer to get to work instead of going to the station and then walking back? two miles. It is stopping anywhere near illustrate is passing illustrate. I know it's crossing it. So it's
not like a boss. No. I think maybe sometime you know, we do speak with jokes. unintentionally. You know, I speak a bit too loud when I didn't mean it. Say No. So I won't sit back
See, so it takes me to the central station, new alternative.
By hydraulics, the doors are open, I get down, I'm still holding the train, one leg on the ground. And the leg is the one on the cylinder on the on the platform.
So he leaves his steering and he rushes to me. He says, don't you call me your brother's Apollo school is your brothers. So what happened? understand what's going on? He says, don't you call me your brother, called the school is your brothers. I am counted as a coolie women's labor. You see, some of my people, they had gone to South Africa as laborers. So they divided the people into Africans, they call them kaphas. Colored colors, a mixture between black and white, they call them whatnots. Oftentimes, Bushman say me, I'm a coolie, with a Hindu, Muslim, or Christian says, don't you call me your brother called to school is your brother's. But I know what happened. You know,
suddenly, I didn't mean anything. You know what he thought? He thought that I insinuated that my father has something to do with his mother.
Is that what I mean? When I say my brother, my son? No, he took it that way. And I'm standing here I gave it a shot by God for the Medina one. So this is if you're looking for trouble, innocent expression. He was a brother. I said, you still call me up? My brother
punched me you know that. So the retreat honorable retreat? I did.
The next question.
I pray for
me, I'm gonna go ahead and ask
When we actually are one one question at a time, please. And we will take the written questions afterwards. So you can ask as many questions as you want written about.
We as Muslims, we believe
that the word of God came from. And God revealed that to Jesus Christ.
Where's the origin of
what happened to that original Bible, which is the origin has been revealed to Jesus.
You say the Gospels, the Gospels do speak
about Jesus, preaching the gospel. The gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, you will read in them. expressions like these and Jesus went to a certain place and he preached the gospel.
Mark says, Jesus went to a certain other place and he preached the gospel. Luke says he went to certain other place and repeat the gospel. Luke says, john says that he went to a certain place and he preached the gospel, gospel gospel, gospel gospel.
Now, we believe in that gospel, the word translated gospel into Arabic is Injeel. We believe in the Injeel, that there was this revelation God Almighty gave to Jesus. What he preached was from God, no doubt about that.
But I'm asking my Christian learner, this is a look when he preached the gospel. Did he have Matthew, Mark, Luke, john x, Romans written Galician Corinthians under his arm, the book?
No, he didn't have any book with him. There was no Matthew, book of Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, nothing was there. So what did he preach? What he preached was the gospel, his message was the gospel.
What you have now, in these books here, are called the Gospel according to St. Matthew, the Gospel according to St. Mark, the Gospel according to St. Luke, the Gospel according to St. JOHN, according, according according according I'm asking why according to
our little booklets, yeah, here's one. crucifixion of crucifixion by Alma de that
is the Bible, God's Word of God that is not according to God that this is not according to God that this is a comedy that you read, brother Jimmy Swaggart books is by Jimmy Swaggart by Jimmy Swaggart is not according to Jimmy Swaggart. Why according to Matthew, according to Mark, according to Luke, according to john why, according according according according You know why? Because none of them signed their names, their anonymous books, this is what you assume that Matthew wrote, this is what you assumed Mark wrote, this is what you assumed Luke wrote, this is what you assumed the genre. Therefore, according according according
now, this translations into Arabic, you have the Arabic Bible printed by the Christian by the Bible Societies, and they named their books in Arabic. This is in GLA Mattoon, in the in de la the gospel of Patrick in G in GLA Matthew in JIRA, Marcus in GLA Lucas in de la yohanna.
I said we believe in the in GLA Isa, Isa means Jesus. We believe in the Injeel, the gospel of Jesus.
Have you got Injeel Isa?
We will, we will approve it, we will accept it. If there is such a thing there isn't. Jesus Christ never wrote a word in his life. He never asked anybody to write a word in his life. Not a word was written in his life. Not one word was written in his lifetime.
Where is the book? So we believe, some you asked question, no. So we believe in the principle that God inspired Jesus, whatever he said was true.
There are some of his words still preserved in the Bible. Like for example, and this is live eternal. Jesus says that they should know the the only true God and Jesus Christ whom God has said,
Do Muslims accept that? Of course,
that there is only one true God is Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah in the time of Jesus and Isa Rasul Allah, Jesus, the Messenger of God, we believe.
But now, he said that his work the message, the whole message that he brought is not yet Matthew even didn't write Matthew.
Matthew, you see JB Phillips, if you've been read the Chichester Cathedral in England, a patron of the Anglican Church, he translated the Gospels in the modern English, you can buy his book, I don't know whether you can buy it in America is common all over the other English world. The gospels in modern English by JB Phillips, Jamie Phillips, in his preface to the Gospel of Matthew, He says, early tradition ascribed this gospel to the apostle Matthew. That's what people said. But scholars nowadays almost all reject this view. But Muslim scholars, Jewish scholars, Hindu scholars, no Christian scholars, they reject the view that Matthew wrote Matthew, the author, who we may still
conveniently call Matthew.
For example, I said, Matthew nine, nine, instead of saying the first book of the New Testament, chapter nine, verse nine, Matthew 517, instead of saying, the first book of the New Testament, chapter five, verse 17. Conveniently, I must use the word Matthew, instead of wasting your time and my time. So the author whom we may still conveniently called Matthew has plainly drawn on the mysterious q in inverted commas. u stands for the German word, Allah sauces, mysterious sauces.
He says, which may have been an oral tradition, he has used Mark's gospel freely in the language of the school teacher, he was copying wholesale from Mark, Matthew and Luke have copied 85% ad verbatim from Mark and Mark was a 10 year old boy when Jesus walked in. He was a 10 year old boy is schoolboy, imagine an eyewitness and to witness a disciple of Jesus. He called goes and copies about 10 year old who wasn't there. Does it make sense to you? He's copying ad verbatim word for word, Luke, and Matthew 85%, copied word for word from Mark, and Mark was not there. This is
this is the status of the book. I hope I've answered the question.
Okay, we'll have these two questions. And then I would like to read a few of the written questions. And then if there are more people who would like to come down, they're welcome to come down.
But common to the Jewish belief in the Christian belief is that the life that we know when we die, we will be resurrected. And there's what we call salvation, that usually the the salvation is based upon obedience.
Christians believe that
Jesus has tried, what is the basis for the Muslim belief?
If what you said is correct, that the Christian belief is in believing Jesus as the Christ, we have the salvation because we believe that Jesus is the Christ. We believe that But no, I think you failed to say that you believe that He died for your sins, that He paid the price. Your salvation is God through the blood of Christ, that He paid the supreme sacrifice with his life. I think that is what you had in mind.
Now, that's topic, the subject while I was reading the index, if you remember, I said, crap. Jesus, not crucified is another topic. I've had debates with Christian. You know evangelists, Americans, evangelist on this topic, like Floyd Professor Floyd Clark from Johnson Bible College. I had a debate with him in, in, in Royal Albert Hall in London last year, I had another professor Simkins, you know, also an American, he came to South Africa, we debated with him was Christ crucified, as well as this Jesus God.
However, the crucifixion
So we say Jesus Christ was not killed, nor was he crucified. This was a subject of debate last night with Dr. Robert Douglas, of the swimmer Institute is the director of the swimmer Institute, a missionary organization in this country. I had a debate with him last night. And I think that tape as the videotapes are available, you can you can avail yourself of those.
How does the Muslim get salvation?
See, to Muslim, there's only one way and the way is for all eternity the same, there is no change. God is not the author of confusion. He wouldn't tell Moses something. And he gives something contradictory to Jesus and against something to contradict him to Mohammed. If it is all coming from the same source, the message must be the same. His law is eternal. And it is not changeable. He doesn't change his laws. by the minute he fails, one system then introduces another system, that is not my God. He doesn't fail with this systems he gave to Moses and to the children of Israel, a law. The law was that as you sow, sow, you will reap in the book of Ezekiel, chapter 20. we are given
that in a nutshell,
which is truly slimy. It says, the soul that sinneth it shall die.
And the Christian puts a full stop all his literature, whose evangelical literature he stops there puts a full stop when there is no full stop.
Isn't the soul that sinneth it shall die. The Son shall not be the iniquity of the Father, Father, Adam, his sin with his children are not responsible for what he did. The Son shall not be the iniquity of the Father, neither shall the father be the iniquity of the son, his sons today in Los Angeles, last June, this previous June 300,000 sodomites, who you call gays, they gathered in San Francisco on a pilgrimage led by 50 lesbians on motorcycles. here in San Francisco in your country, God Almighty will not ask Adam say, look at your children, this rubbish. What have you produced? No, God will not ask him he's not responsible. It says the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon
him. Whatever good thing the good man does, he gets his reward. And the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Whatever the evil monger does, sinner does, he gets his punishment, salvation.
How do you get salvation?
It continues, verse continues, but if the wicked will turn means, repent, from all the sins that he has committed, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die spiritually, physically, we all die, the good and the bad, the similar and the same, we all die, but this die means spiritually, you have not been destroyed, you will live forever.
That is salvation. You repent of your evil, do that which is lawful and right. Whatever God told you to do, you do. Heaven is for you. Solomon the eyes he tells us in the book of Ecclesiastes, advising his son, and through him advising as he says, and further by this, my son be admonish, learn a lesson from this, of making many books, there is no end all your excuses for not doing the job, not doing the work, not obeying God. There is no end to your excuses, of making many books, there is no end. And much study is a weariness of the flesh. You know, you say, I'm going to study Buddhism, and Taoism, study Judaism, I'm going to study Islamism, and I will come to a conclusion.
As you get tired, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The letters here, the conclusion of the whole matter in a nutshell, let's get the message is the fear God and keep His commandments. For this is the whole duty of man, that's all fear God and keep His commandments, that is salvation. Jesus Christ told you the same is very verily I say unto you, most certainly, I'm telling you this, except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees. You shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. There is no heaven for you, unless you are better than the Jew.
Accepted exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees. He shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. He said again, Think not that I'm coming to destroy the law, the prophets I am come not to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, most certainly I'm telling you, heaven and earth shall pass away, but one jot or one teacher shall in no wise pass from the law, digital yacht yacht is the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet, not even that amount is to go out of the law of God.
So one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law can all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, least commandments, or shall teach men so shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But whosoever shall teach and do shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. So we teach and we do.
I asked you do you keep the lesson?
The commandments. You say no. I said, why not? He says the law is nailed to the cross. Why not is if you're living in the grace, that's what the Christian says. You're living in the grace. So we need to get this, this idea
that the law is nailed to the process, then they will be ready to get it. So he calls me Philippians galicians Corinthians Thessalonians collusions. And
so who's this? This is Timothy Romans, who says this? Who is this?
Who is that? The Paul Paul, Paul Paul, as the Who's your master? You see Jesus.
What does he say?
You contradicting Jesus? And Jesus said, the disciple is not greater than the Master. Master is Jesus. What he tells us, I listen to my Master Jesus. He never had the pig. He none of his disciples ever taught that talk. You call it pork, ham, bacon, whatever you call it. He never taught that stuff. None of his disciples ever touched it. And you're all Peters. Questions.
We didn't get this is that Peter had a dream on that dream. Now you he takes when my master never had it, he would eat it. It is abhorrent to him. He killed 2000 pigs one hit, he destroyed the more you know that. But now you don't listen to him. You are now living in the grace, as are you circumcised? He says no. So why aren't you is a major commandment God gave your Lord was Christ Jesus Christ was circumcised. So what is good for your body would be good for you know you weren't circumcised. Why won't you? This is a law of God entered into between Abraham and his descendants forever. And you claim to be spiritual descendants. How does that absolve you? It is Jesus was
circumcised and you are not a sinner. This is Paul said, circumcision. circumcision is nothing and non circumcision is nothing. As Jesus says, Not even one ga one tittle is to pass on the law. Thank you see, you are not following Jesus following Paul, Paul Paul. He is the real founder of Christianity, Paul, not Jesus. Therefore, your great country man, Michael Hart, he wrote a book on the top 100, the greatest 100 in history, the most influential 100 people from Adam to current time, and he gives us a list, the 100, the top 100 are the greatest 100 in history, Michael Hart, New York, of the heart publishing company.
And in that list of the most influential men, after giving the list of 100 names, he puts them in the order of seniority. Number one, number five, number 50. Number 99. Who, who, who, and he puts Muhammad number one.
The most influential men in history, according to Michael is an American in America, publishing a book of 572 pages retailing about 10 years ago for $15, which I paid for it maybe cost 50 today, I don't know. He says Muhammad is the most influential man in history, and his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Number three,
his God and Savior number three, and he gives reasons not because I'm Arab, bribed him. So here's 10,000 for you say good word about Mohammed, put him number 100,000. Put him number one in your book. No new era screwed everything up. That
is possible, but not probable for an Arab to do that.
Why does it boo Jesus Christ is God and Savior. Number three, he said, you see the honor for Christianity is to be shared between Paul and Jesus. Actually, Paul is the real founder of Christianity.
Follow Jesus. Listen to him. You can't help being a Muslim, you will be a Muslim through and through.
But you don't want to listen to Jesus. read the books. Listen to the sermons. It's Paul Paul, Paul Paul, not Jesus. What did Jesus say? He says he is not of me who does not take his cross and follow me Take up your cross and follow me. But the hours that we are not prepared to pick up the cross.
I'm saying from other teachings that I've heard about this model that most of the Islam people would agree with certain things in the wider
In the Christian teaching, it says that Jesus, according to the Gospels is as you've already talked about, did that die on the cross and was the payment for all of our sins which 13 was the way for us to be able to have his righteousness and there be there will be approached in God's sight? I was curious as to the view in the Quran as to the crucifixion, if indeed it did or did not happen.
With regard to the crucifixion, the Quran is very explicit.
It says what only him in cattle Massey has received no Mariama Rasulullah
They said in boast that we killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, the apostle of God. In answer to that, God says, Rama Cthulhu masala boo that they didn't kill him and they didn't crucify him while our king should be alone, but it was made to appear to them. So while Allah Xena tala foofy Luffy, Shakti minim, and those who dispute there in are full of doubts, Mala Mala who may mean they have no certain knowledge electabuzz they only follow conjecture. Yes, wah, wah ma kata Lu yochanan. For a surety, they killed him not. That's the most imposition. We say, I'm gonna be here and we have fun. But now my sister says, look, we have a record. The Christian says we have a written record,
Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, these 27 books of the New Testament, and we have hundreds of prophecy, fulfilling this event.
My response is I said, Look, my brothers and sisters, you are reading this book, the Bible in your own mother tongue.
And I am claiming that you are understanding the exact opposite of what you're reading,
not just misunderstanding, we can have a lot of misunderstanding, but exact opposite. If you read in the Bible, for example, that thou shalt not commit adultery, you are understanding that thou shalt committed adultery.
So how can we set zombies? Would you take us for you know, we are the people on the moon, you know, you got the whole world, you know, in the palm of our hand, you have the Bay of Bengal tragedy. See America won't Pakistan, it's a look, the tidal waves are coming beyond God, they didn't heed the warning the fools, my people, they didn't heed the warning, and hundreds of 1000 more people died. They want the Jews in 1973, that the Arabs are on the moon. They didn't heed the warning signal the Arabs every time they want to do anything, they make a big noise beforehand. So we will do this. And we'll do that. And by then we said we'd give it to them. So they didn't heed the warning. First time
the Arabs caught the Jews off guard. The broke the red line, first time they took the initiative, because they didn't hit the American warning. You got the whole world in the palm of your hand.
And yet this same nation, he's reading the book in his own mother tongue and his understanding the exact opposite of what you're reading. This is not just a charge and allegation I prove it to you. in two minutes. I said, you know, Jesus returned to that upper room after his alleged crucifixion, where they had the Last Supper. Those of you who know your Bible, you know what I'm talking about. He goes in, and he wishes his disciples in the Hebrew language. shalem Allah home, which means same as salaam alaikum, in Arabic, peace be unto you. And when he said, peace be unto you, his disciples were terrified. So I'm asking, Why were they terrified? Because when you meet your long lost Master,
your uncle, your grandfather, the Arabs and the Jews, we embrace one another. Because one another. I felt very funny the first time they did it to me, but I'm getting used to it now.
You see, I said that's what the Jews did 2000 years ago and the Arabs did 2000 years ago, is doing that they're terrified. That's why they're terrified. So the man was his Bible. He said, Look, Luke chapter 24, verse 36, he tells us that they were afraid, because they thought he was a spirit.
Is that the answer? Yes. That's what the Bible says. Luke says, they thought he was a spirit. So I said, Did you look like a spirit?
And by now, for 40 years, I'm talking, not one Christian has ever told me Yes. If you did, if you do, so what does a spirit look like?
It says, You look like a spirit. What does the spirit look like? Tell me now? No, everybody says No, he didn't say I said why should they think the man is a spirit really didn't look like one person, person. So as you see, the reason is that the disciples of Jesus they had heard from hearsay people talking that the master was hanging on the cross. They had heard from hearsay people were talking that he had given up the ghost. You know, the Spirit had come out he had died. They had heard from hearsay, that now he's dead and buried for three days. All the knowledge was from hearsay people, because they will not eyewitnesses are your witnesses to the happening? Because Mark chapter 14 was
50. He tells us that the most critical juncture in the life of Jesus or his disciples for Superman fled all as it does all mean all in your language English man said yes. That they were not there.
All the knowledge or some hearsay on hearsay knowledge. If you heard about a man, your master who didn't build for three days, you expect him to be stinking in his grave? Such a person when you see natural Yeah, terrified. Do you think he's a ghost? spirit? So Jesus wants to assure them that they are not what they're thinking. So he says
in Zulu, Elijah de Leon says Behold my hands and my feet in me and Haha, that it is I myself who Sunni wanzhou the handle E and C fine. ruha plus Allahu la mazama for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see in the hair. handle me and see
Spirit. A spirit has no flesh and bone, a spirit mean any spirit is an indefinite article in your language, any spirit, and this is an axiomatic truth. You don't have to prove it to the atheists, the agnostic, the Hindu, the Jew, the Muslim, universally we say spirit has no flesh and bones. If you get got flesh and bones, you're not a spirit. No convincing required. Why does he go out of his way to tell them? Because they're thinking that he is. Spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me here, and they felt him and they believe me for joy, meaning that they were overjoyed and wonder what happened, man? We thought the man was dead and buried. To assure them further, that they are
wrong in their understanding. He said, I didn't know him Hakuna Tom, have you got here anything to eat? For now? What do you mean Samak in Washington mean Shahada acelin for our Casa La La dama. And they gave me a piece of broiled fish and a honeycomb. And he took it any act in the very sight to prove that there is a ghost. That is spooky. His Spirit is resurrected now. And the same following them fools. What are you afraid of before handling and see and look at the post crucifixion events. He's ever in disguise ever in disguise. His own disciples can recognize him on the way to Hamas.
Ever in disguise, he never went to the temple of Jerusalem. He never went and showed themselves. He gave a sign to the Jews, the sign of Jonah. That I will be like Jonah, and I'm reasoning with the people what was the sign of Jonah? Look is another topic. I dealt with it last night with Professor Douglas. Get the videotape and deal with this more extensively or get this book absolutely free. crucifixion of crucifixion sounds the same, but it is not have a look. crucifixion. The first fiction is fr x IO n to fix up a person on the cross and killing that crucifixion. The second is crew c. f icti. In fiction means a fairy tale. The Quran says in latson, the only following
conjecture, guesswork fiction, and I prove it to you from the Bible. I do 30 different reasons from the Bible that Jesus Christ was neither good nor crucified. You must be big enough millionaire to read it. Women enough to read it and then come back to me. And I tell you in your own language, as if somebody has made some bs out of you, you read something and you understanding something as you read them again and again. Acts chapter one, verse three, he says he gave many convincing proofs, Jesus many convincing proofs that he was alive. A Li ve Li that's the word there. He was alive. Mary Magdalene after experience with Jesus she returns until the others that he is alive, Li be alive and
they believe not.
The true form Emmaus return to that upper room telling the others that he is alive and they believe nor these eight or 10 telling Thomas he wasn't there at the first meeting. Jesus is alive and you believe known. By God, I don't know what you're reading. In English. Li ve li li ve alive not resurrect not resurrected, not alive, alive alive. And you say resurrected, resurrected resurrected. You concoct a word which is not there. And then you come socket and then you want the whole world to thump socket as well. As there's something wrong. Somebody has made some bs out of you in your own mother tongue. Come talk to me. Bring Yo yo yo yo Jerry Falwell's and your pat robertson's. And who
else is there Billy good ham, and our Jimmy saga bring them in full beatings in the United States on topics like is the Bible God's Word? was Christ crucified is Jesus God, and I am prepared to pay any one of these $10,000 pay performance just one hour in Madison Square Garden, as you can tell, and I will organize the meeting we need for meetings like that in the United States, let the country know this 240 million people that look, you are being led by the news by somebody that somebody is not called.
Thank you very much. I'm going to read a couple of the questions, the written questions.
The first question or actually a lot of comments comes from father William Carr, who says thank you for pointing out many things that I teach in my class what Catholics believe. He says, to be brief, we do not believe that the English Bible or any other translation is inspired by God, but only the original in the original languages.
And then he goes on to say thank you for showing the church comes before the Bible, and that the teaching of Trinity
was taught by the church and then that interpretation was put into first john. And I guess the question is, I guess he wants your comments on this idea.
is made a comment is caused another lecture, I see so many things, so many points have been raised. If you start dealing with that you won't be able to touch anything else. Therefore, you see this was a more manly approaches. Look, this is my question, what have you to say is the church is the church is telling you what to believe. So you have a preconceived notion long before you start now, this is what the Church says. So you read into the book, what is not there? Jesus said, seeing they see not hearing they hear not? Neither do they understand, this isn't the situation you're already programmed to see certain things, you reading into the book, something that is not there. The only
ways you come out with it is that I am What? What do you say now? He said, I am a father of one. What do you say to that? He said, I am the way the truth? What do you say to that? That is a better way? Then you write it to your small pieces. And now I have to answer that it calls for another lecture. And I think at this age, it is a bit too much for me. Please forgive me for that.
The next question, I can't I'm sorry, I can't read all the questions. It says, Do you have a spirit? And then it says, Are you do you have a soul? And please explain this? And does your spirit lead you? Or does God lead you? Does he communicate with you? Or does the Quran tell you
what to say and what to do?
In a nutshell, the Quran tells me what I should say and what I should do. We believe in spirit with that otherwise I wouldn't be here there is a soul or spirit call it what you call a life. There is something in men which is immaterial, it is intangible. We believe in that. And that somebody that something is the real you is the driver of the motorcar this vehicle and that somebody will be made responsible for every act that you do. And we believe in a life hereafter where you will have to account for your deeds. We say life hereafter we believe in heaven and hell, there is heaven and there is hell. And exactly as Jimmy Swaggart says, He says, Hell is no joke. The Quran gives us 41
different references. Hell is no joke. Hell is no joke. Hell is no joke. Perhaps he has been reading the Quran and he's done a beautiful job. Beautiful lecture. I haven't heard a Muslim lecture. So, so potently on the subject of Heaven, Hell is no joke. But you have a look at this in the Quran, under the subject, hell in the index, check them out. And you'll see that really what Billy Graham what Jesus or God said, is insipid compared to what God Almighty is telling you here. Thank you.
We have two questions, with the same idea which say, what happened to your debate with the pope?
No, I had no debate with the Pope. No debate. What did happen is that His Holiness, the Pope, you see, when he went to Turkey, he made a pronouncement that we must have a dialogue with the Muslims.
When he went to Kenya, he said, We must have a dialogue with the Muslims. When he went to Nigeria, he said, We must have a dialogue with the Muslims. Now who is this? We, we, we, this is the Roman Catholic Church. They want to have a dialogue with the Muslims. Actually, he didn't mean that.
I knew it all along. It's not a dialogue that he wants to come and talk to us. No. He's telling his people go and convert the Muslims.
If he uses the word convert, the Muslim reacts strongly. So is the man comes along with his dog collar in a column and upside down, knocks at the door. He knows now why is he comfortable? To steal our children? So get rid of him somehow, man, get rid of him. But if he says let us have a dialogue, the Muslim can't say no, because the Quran says we'll have a dialogue with him. The Quran says Paul tell them Yeah, hello kita People of the Book. Come on. Hello kita People of the Book meaning Jews and Christians come illa kalimat in Sabah in banana verbena. That will come to common terms as between SMU and the terms of getting together the Quran lays down his unlock nabooda ilala that we
worship none but Allah will adduce and in that we associate new partners with him while I talk about the
new law and that we do not take from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah other than God, find our love for kulu shadowgun non Muslim moon but if they turn back, tell them that we are Muslims. We have submitted reviews for the will of God, whatever God wants us to do, we have to pay to do that is what the Quran says come let us have a dialogue. His Holiness has let us have a dialogue, but he doesn't mean a dialogue. So I write a letter
to his holiness with all respect as your holiness. These are your pronouncement and the Quran
Also to have a dialogue, we would like to have a dialogue with you in St. Peter's in Rome. Any day time you tell us, I will come over.
no reply. So I send another letter, no reply, then I send a telegram. no reply, I send another telegram. So I get the response that he's prepared to receive me in the Secretariat in private.
So I said, No, this is not a matter between Ahmed deedat. In His Holiness, the pope is a matter between Islam and Christianity. There are 1000 million Muslims on the one side 1000 200 million Christians on the other side, the whole world wants to know what you're talking about,
is not a cup of tea that I have with the Pope. And he embraces me and wants to kiss my hand. And then he was a kiss my feet. So I stopped him from doing that. So I come and tell you this, as you know, I went there in His Holiness, you know, he embraced me Kiss my hand, he will kiss my feet. I didn't allow him to do that. And I, I shared with him, you know, he shared with me some tea and biscuits, and he gave me this Bible, you know?
What does it mean to miss rootless, rubbish trash? The world must know what you're talking about. The Quran tells us to have a dialogue with him. So I'm asking him, how big is your Secretariat? Because there are three plane loads of youth from my country, Durban Johannesburg and Cape Town. They weren't the charter planes. My brother in the Middle East, they were the charter planes. My brother in the UK, they want to come along to the meeting. And the whole world wants to know, then the TV networks of the world would want to cover in the news media of the world will want to cover it. How big is your Secretariat? no reply.
Another one. How big is this? no reply, telegram. no reply. Then somebody this is somebody God Almighty. he activates people. He does things in mysterious ways. He sends me is that the template? Here? We have it in the box in the van pamphlets about the Pope. You didn't bring it inside?
let me have it. Please, quickly.
Thank you. The Chinese are saying one picture is worth 10,000 words. If I told you said you see somebody sent me a picture of his holiness, being like this. You say what you're talking about. Now you're making a mockery of His Holiness. As is no, here is the picture is a picture, genuine picture.
Look what his holiness is doing.
He's playing hide and seek. Look at it.
As it from heaven, the Archangel Gabriel, the Holy Ghost couldn't have delivered a better message to me than to tell him he said, Look, the man is playing hide and seek with a Muslim. So I take this out. He's playing hide and seek. If you think of a better caption, you tell me I give you a reward. I lost a bet with Jimmy Swaggart the other night. I lost a bet with him, you see. But I want the debate. That's what I play. I lost the bet. I lost $100 with him. I bet I lost. But yeah, so look, I'm prepared to give you give me a better caption. And I give you $100 a better caption than this for this picture. Give me a better caption. You Americans are very good at giving captions due to
him. So he's actually playing hide and seek as a Muslim.
He doesn't mean any bait. He's telling his people to go and convert them. And in that dialogue, we will come out second best, because my people are not trained. He's an all train men. So he said let us talk in public, we have the differences. We say Jesus is not God, you say he is let's talk about it. Let the world know. And let them get for themselves with fruit flies. We are big enough today. Not like in the good old days, people are pulling out a dagger. I disagree with you. So I'm gonna put a knife through you. You disagree when you put a knife through me nobody so big look at as I'm speaking the most sensitive subjects from the time I arrived in the United States on the 31st of
October. most sensitive topics, and nobody has shouted me down. Nobody has taught me as a matter in all my life. No Christian or Jew has helped me like this. Nobody. And yet I'm talking the most sensitive topics. Either I'm a Superman, you know, Angel, or that you people are so tolerant and good and kind, you are prepared to give me a hearing who is going against your grain. He says, Look, I agree to disagree with you. And I salute you for that. You give me that opportunity to talk to you. So the His Holiness, it was not a debate. It was a suggestion for a dialogue. And he didn't want to respond because he didn't really mean it.
I apologize that there's not a lot of time left. Maybe we have time for just one more question.
Okay, we have the last two then. Okay, thank you.
Jesus didn't write any of these, you know, and the apostles work wrote these things rather
than you know, just building the gospel you have said that Jesus did not write to God
he didn't even tell me Yellowstone, right? That's correct. The Jesus Christ never wrote a word. He didn't instruct anybody to write a word, and not a word was written in his lifetime.
The Book of Revelation
appears to St. JOHN, for john. And he told him to write.
I said in his lifetime, that English lifetime means while he walked this earth, if somebody sees a dream,
if somebody sees a dream, call it vision, a dream is not walking in his eyes in his lifetime. Before his alleged crucifixion. Did he tell anybody to write a word?
Did he? Did he tell Matthew, Mark, Luke, or john d? commission? Anybody? was a word written in his lifetime? A word? No.
See, you read the internal evidence that shows that Matthew even right, Matthew, Matthew nine, nine, you know what it says,
is not a matter of belief, my son is a matter of fact, the fact is,
in his lifetime, that means Why is the man walk this earth? Not? He didn't ask anybody. Nor did anybody write a word. That's that long and short of it. Now, after somebody sees a dream, that matches your dream, this looks your dream. No, Luke tells you why he wrote. You know, he tells you, why did he write, he says, you know, he sees a lot of people have written a lot of things concerning the fate that we are pitching. So it's having had perfect understanding from the very first, it seemed good to me also, these are the guys less educated than I, if they can write books, if they can write volumes, why can't I, I'm a physician, I can do a better job, I can do things more
systematically. So he says, Listen to the words the language is that it seemed good to me. Also, Revelation is a book of dream. You know, you read that, after a man has eaten too much. When you eat too much, you know, you have the type of things that goes through your mind, he sees a beast with seven horns, and every one with 100 eyes, with the eyes outside in the eyes inside, who sees dreams like that.
Man, or woman is eating too much of proteins.
Appreciate you being here tonight, we got your lane, so I don't get it all. I would like to ask you not tripping is really what you get at some of the other places. You take you 20 minutes to answer a question, please allow me one minute. That's good. Okay. My question is, you've attacked my country, my faith.
But I would have been
when I and to me, what you're doing tonight, is, I happen to be a pilot. And you're taking the wheel of everybody bringing it under the table and saying this is Christianity, let's see if it'll ever fly. And you can attack that later. You can look at the fabric, you can look, this destroys the shocks, and tell me that'll never fly. And you're pulling pieces out of Christianity and telling me to Christianity wherever by, but I know in my heart, and that's the testimony that I have for you tonight, at Jesus Christ is very real. It's very real. It's real to me. I wonder what what Muhammad is to you? The question that I have, my guess is that you are privileged enough, because the United
States of America is a Christian country, sir, to have this form tonight, when I have the same type of a forum in your country has been a salon, as
you say, Amen.
I'm really grateful for this opportunity. And I do take off my hat to the American nation for giving me this freedom. This latitude to a my point of view, you allow father divine,
to propagate his faith and people will worshipping him some new moon, Guru, Maharaj Maha Maharishi and a whole lot of people who worship Satan in your country. Now when I say you have a Satan worshipping cult, now you say now you can do that as an attack on your country. Am I attacking your country? So look, this is the fact those 300,000 sodomites that gathered in San Francisco, I'm not attacking your religion. I'm not attacking your nation. As I look, there is a sickness here. Jimmy Swaggart, you allow him to tell you that there are 11 million green cards in America. If I said that is attacking my nation. He says there are 44 million heavy drinkers in your nation put together and
he says I make no distinction between the two. That makes 55 million drunk cards. According to Jimmy Swaggart, he is not attacking. He's not he says incest is but is a book on incest has reached epidemic proportions in your country. No, he's not attacking your country. He's not attacking your religion. He says about the preachers about
preachers, he said the preachers I go to a bank. He says in his book The on the preacher. He goes to the bank and the manager wants to know from him whether he knows who are the worst payers. So Jimmy Swaggart in humility says no I don't. He says there are three P's. three P's up letter P three P's. So what are they? This is preacher, painter and prostitute.
These three P's are worse payers.
And Jimmy Swaggart says it's a look I don't know about the painters and the prostitutes, but I know about preachers, the man is speaking the truth.
Am I attacking your nation your religion your country? What am I doing? When the same incest academic Sodom and Gomorrah homosexuality? He says what it has done this thing in his book on homosexuality, you know, this filthy dirty thing you call case sodomized, you call them gays. He says america he says it's time that God would judge. If he doesn't judge you. He says he might have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
What is attacking your religion is your enemy Jimmy Swaggart is your enemy.
Now, if he's I'm also your enemy. I'm telling you the very same thing. So look, these are sicknesses you have in your nation, and I'm prepared to help you. I want to help you. If if such a person is I can help you. He is giving beautiful answers beautiful books he has written on homosexuality. It's called and it's cure.
work. And he coats two and a half pages from the book of Romans two and a half first page a whole page petition continuation second page petition, third one half petition? And in that the answer is given. The answer to your problem is given. Why do you have this lesbians and why you have these gays it's given in that quotation. But you read the whole book. I'm not attacking swagger, I love him. I got to tell you, I love him and his wife, fantastic people, I met them personally. They invited me for lunch. Unfortunately, I couldn't take advantage of it. Great man, his wife, great.
Born Again, Christian, he writes the whole book. But the cause that God gives you is the word of God. He doesn't reproduce it at all.
The cause he says it's caused and it's cure. I give you the cause what he missed out, you read the book, and you'll see he missed out. I don't know how an English man English speaking person American how we missed out, cause it's cause.
It says that quotation of is, is is professing themselves to be wise. That's what men does. Everybody who speaking yesterday, he thinks is very clever. professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image like that, and the corruptible man
and who change the truth of God into a lie, and worship that creature.
Hence, and worship and serve the creature more than the creator will be glorified Forever and ever. For this cause, I made your women to go after women and your men to go after men for this cause you change the glory of the Almighty God, the eternal, immortal God into that of an image of a man image of a man is telling of a man perishable man, whether it's a Moses or Jesus or Muhammad, whether it is a Rama or Krishna or a Buddha image of a man. But when Paul was writing that he wasn't thinking about Jesus. He was thinking about the Romans and the Greeks. They had their main Gods beyond counting. Do you remember Jupiter, the God of heaven, Pluto, the God of hell, Vulcan, the god of
fire Neptune, the God of the sea, Mars, the god of war, and fire Jesus was a father of all these gods with this many ways in many children. He was sitting on some planet, and from there he was sending his sons into the world is Apollo is Horus is ISIS is Osiris.
Among such a people goes an idea of a new Son of God, Jesus. So what was metaphorical to the Jew became literal to the Greek and they started worshipping Christ. image of a perishable man, wasn't he like a man circumcised and a day eating food hunger, interesting, very sleepy. That's what the Bible disguising man, man, man, you worship Him as God. You do that? Is it for this cause? That is the cause you mean to say he didn't understand that English for this cause I make you do this. As a punishment for worshipping man, you bring down the almighty to this level, you go down to that cutter level. I met my brother, I forgive me. This is my way of talking. This is this is my nature.
I am not the one who's been through the university corridors. You know, to go and find out all these pioneers of talking. I haven't. I am a layman furniture salesman. study about religion. So if I sound hard and strong, this is something that I can't help but I bought. I don't want to attack the market.
nation, nor is religion. Nothing. You ask the question then about salvation, I think.
Oh, yes, yes, you can do the same thing in my country. My country gives you total freedom in my country. I enjoy a freedom second to none in the world. Yeah, this book here, crucifixion of crucifixion. It went through the fire of hell twice, and it came out and escaped the censorship board. I don't want to belabor you all, but my country I have a freedom of religion, which is second to none in the world. Yeah.
This is what I'm doing.
Thank you much brother knew that. And thank ladies and gentlemen for the wonderful reception. Brother who died has come from a very long distance to talk to you and we appreciate the wonderful reception you have given him. Thank you very much.