Channel: Ahmed Deedat
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Alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
We will start the evening with a recital of a portion of the Holy Quran by my brother on the immediate left
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Avila Humana shaytani r rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Alhamdulillah Europa la alameen wa Salatu was Salam ala
Sayidina Muhammad Anwar al Ahly. wasabia Jemaine
wash Mohammedan Abu rasuluh
Kala La Jolla, Xavi mubin
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Allah Allah Malaika who you saw Luna Allah nebby
yeah you Allah Xena Manu, sallu alayhi wa salamu, Taslima Allahumma salli, ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa ala Sayidina Muhammad Yunus.
We welcome you here. One and all this evening to the good old Center at the foot of Table Mountain in Cape Town, South Africa.
I think at this point in time, it might be fitting
to introduce the people
up on the platform.
On my immediate left,
we have our Cory
brother, Abdul Rahman studien next to him.
Also according Abdul Rashid Brown,
and then we have a brother
Who's got a beautiful name. His name is Anwar
Anwar is Huck.
Next to him, no introduction necessary.
Mr. Salim Mohammed of the Rosemead supermarket.
And then we have brother, moderate, or eminence, scholar of the Bible, and the Quran.
He'll be one of our speakers this evening.
And next to him on the far side.
We have Mr. Paul Finley, the author of the book that was available in the foyer. Mr. Paul Finley was a congressman in the United States of America for about 22 years.
But you can see it's quite a handsome guy.
His wife wouldn't allow him to come to South Africa alone. We welcome you also Mrs. Finley, seated right in front. May you enjoy the hospitality of Capetown, thank you.
Our program for this evening will be the following.
We have two speakers.
The first one
will be Mr. Paul Findley.
And they often
and both of them will address the topic in their own way.
Is is an oil setup for destruction.
At the end of Mr. Dida at Stoke,
we welcome questions from anybody
with one provision
that the question must pertain to the topic under discussion tonight.
It might seem to you that I have a pleasant seats right up front.
But I do believe that the success of this evening to a very large degree depends on you and on me.
I request you to come up to the front and put questions please, this is not a debate.
And you cannot come up
and either debate or give another lecture.
I will then be compelled to rule you out of order. And with respect to you, I would like to say It matters not who you are.
If we can't control the thing from the front, then there's no sense in editing the proceedings of this evening. So if I stop you, it is the way I see it. In the interest of this evening.
I now have great pleasure
in calling upon our first speaker for the evening. Mr. Paul Finley.
Thank you, Dr. Baker.
I began this evening, hoping to shake hands and meet personally every one of you. But I didn't get very far. What a wonderful audience here tonight.
Now with with those who can hear my words, raise your hand so I can see them. Would you raise your hands if you can hear me?
I can be heard, I guess up in the upper balcony too. Is that true? Raise your hand if you can hear me up there. Good. That's reassuring. And Paul, you have your hands up. I'll shake hands with each of you.
Thank you very much.
This is Finley and I have had a glorious time in South Africa.
we've encountered something a little bit unusual though. Several people have said that we talk funny.
Now here we thought it was South Africans who talk funny.
Now, if my talk is so funny, that you can understand.
Dr. De Dodd has promised that he will give you an English language translation of my remarks when I finished
that you you met this is fenley just a moment ago. She's a very important person. Very important to me personally but also important
to you tonight. She's my timekeeper. She makes sure that I don't talk too long.
If I begin to talk too long, she raises her left arm up, to listen to the watch to make sure it's still running.
And then if that doesn't work, she stands up and walks out of the room.
So you can see she fills a very important function tonight as my timekeeper Lucille, would you stand up and say hello to the gathering?
Thank you. Now I also want to thank the Cape Town Argus
and the cape times I've been reading about myself in both the Argus and the times, maybe some of you saw the same advertising that that I saw.
They described me in the advertising as
arafat's, whoops, things are changing. This is an unrehearsed part of the program.
Now, Is that better? Can you hear me better now?
How about up in the balcony?
Now does that come through better? It sounds to me much better.
But I promise you I won't start over.
I want to thank
the Cape Town Argus and the cape times for advertising my presence here in Cape Town Otherwise, the public would never have known that. Mrs. Finley and I are here.
Now in the advertising, they described me and quoted me
as saying that
I am Yasser arafat's only friend in the US Congress.
Well, I want you to know that I regard Chairman, Yasser Arafat, who is now president, Yasser Arafat of the new Palestine as one of the great political figures of this generation.
And I am very proud to be known as his friend. And I thank the times and the artists for advertising that fact.
They also say that I am a former paid employee of the Arab American anti discrimination committee. That's a an organization based in Washington DC. Well, for a time I was paid by this organization. And I want you to know that anytime I have the opportunity to work for an organization that works against racial discrimination, I will take great pride in having that job.
And then in big letters,
and big letters, they say ex Congressman Paul fendley, defeated in 1982.
Well, I was not returned to Congress. But by my measure, I was not defeated. I was victorious. Because I am now given this great audience in South Africa. That never would have been mine had I been returned to the Congress. So I thank the newspapers for this publicity.
Now, there's some talk about this being a boxing match between myself and Alma de dot.
And I checked around the stores to find see if I could find the right boxing gloves to wear tonight. I couldn't find any small enough for me, or any large enough Rama de.so. We aren't going to box with each other. We're going to talk about the same subject. In fact, I am so grateful tonight that I am on the same side with Armand de dot. I never want to be on the other side of the fence. I never want to be in the opposition domande de da.
As I ponder the provocative topic of this symposium is Israel setup for destruction. My thoughts keep returning to the question.
Parents, other Israeli citizen recently in the small dining room on Capitol Hill in Washington DC.
Get the picture. His name is Israel shock.
He is the Speaker of the occasion. He is a professor of chemistry at Hebrew University. He is a Jew.
In his audience are people who work for US Congressman, a few former members of the Congress, former career diplomats of the United States and others interested in the peace movement for the Middle East, perhaps 75 people in all, a speaker is ordinary and appearance about my height, he has gray wispy hair, he wears thick glasses he speaks softly.
The noise from the adjoining dining rooms make it very difficult for any of us to hear what he has to say. But his words are well worth straining to hear.
He is remarkable. He knows adversity, and fear as do few people on earth. He is a survivor of one of Adolf Hitler's death camps for Jews, a survivor of the Holocaust, himself a Jew, and in his words, a law abiding citizen of Israel, no one will accuse him of being anti semitic. And as a survivor of the Holocaust, no one will accuse him of being indifferent to the suffering of Jews under Nazi Germany. He makes his living, living teaching chemistry. But his calling is decency in human relations.
He warns against the destructive course of Israeli policy, he cries out with concern for the plight of the Palestinians. And they express his anguish for the future of the land that he loves and wants to keep loving the State of Israel.
And another time he would be a prophet. And the Christian Bible that dama de doc knows so well might well contain a new book, a book of Shahada. He's a modern day Prophet, calling upon his own people in Israel to repent their sins against their neighbors, trying to awaken at the same time, the people of the United States to the grim and awful truth about what is really happening inside the State of Israel.
He expresses his warning and his anguish in Washington DC, which is just exactly the right place, because the US government is the lifeline for the State of Israel. Therefore, the people of America should know the reality of the Middle East, because they must accept the blame much of the blame for what is happening in Israel because they are indeed the lifeline without which Israel could not survive.
Profit Chuck's usual weapon is the written word. Every month, he seeks out in the Hebrew language press of Israel.
Facts About happenings within that state. He translates these into English and sends copies of the translation to a number of periodicals in the United States. This report is critically important because it reviews Israel's Hebrew press, not Israel's English press. It is the Hebrew press that describes reality in Israel. For one thing, the Hebrew press reports accurately what Prime Minister Shamir has to say. It tells the truth about shamira thoughts. Israel Shia Hawk says, and I quote him, Shamir lies only in English. And of course, that is to say, if you really want to know what is on Schumer's mind, listen to what he has to say in Hebrew. The English press in Israel is tailor
made for foreign consumption, designed mainly for the people of the United States to support and reinforce the powerful effect of Israel's lobby in the United States who are all that is good about Israel is emphasized and exaggerated. And all that is evil as ignored or rationalized. In contrast, the Hebrew press and Israel tells it like it is
Each month Israel shaha seeks out and translates into English those portions of the Hebrew press that reflect true conditions about that country, true trends within Israel and facts about what is really happening within the occupied territory in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel Shia Hawk like myself speaks with mainly without gestures. But his words come like thunder. And his words help to answer the question of this symposium. That very fundamental and searching question, is Israel a setup for destruction? or more precisely, perhaps, is Israel setting itself up for destruction? Listen to the words. The evidence from this Israeli citizen Israel show ha, not evidence from
myself, who Some say has a certain bias but from this illustrious citizen of Israel, who has no anti Israeli bias, whatever. Listening to ISRO show Hawk speak, and reading his commentaries, one cannot miss towering evidence of self destruction, working within Israel, within Israel's Jewish citizens, our forces that are literally shaking society, to its very roots. If Israel is set up for destruction, the forces of greatest menace to his survival come from within and are largely Israel's own making Israel shaha draw a somber and sobering parallels between events in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
And what is happening within Israel today.
in Nazi Germany, Jews were treated as sub humans as things as things to be manipulated, to be abused, to be humiliated, to be destroyed. And Hitler's first goal was to make life so miserable that Jews would leave Germany.
He wanted the Jews simply to pack out and leave Europe.
There was no thought in those early years of destroying the Jews and the death camps. The final solution did not come until years later.
And today, in many ugly, terrible ways, the leaders of Israel are a saying of the Palestinians, they must go, they must get out. Just like the Nazi message to the Jews in Europe, you must go You must get out.
Indeed, they must go is the title of a book,
a very candid book written by Israel's candid but popular rabbi, politician, Majorca, honey. And Kahani is not the only one who harbors these terrible thoughts that the Palestinians must pack up and go,
they must go is the unspoken solution of the Israelis to the Palestinian problem. And it's a solution that is accepted and supported by many Israelis and many Israeli politicians, not just Rabbi myrica honey,
Israel, His goal is clearly to make life so miserable, that Palestinians will leave the occupied territory to their Israeli masters. Palestinians are not people, their subjects. They are not human beings. They are not children of God. They are things
Israel is engaged in a giant awful squeeze play on the Palestinians a pincer movement against them. The Palestinians are relentlessly being forced into ever smaller areas of land
with ever reduced amounts of water on which to survive. Opportunities for education, for health care for telephone service are often interrupted and on a unpredictable schedule.
Take water Israel speaks of the theft of water
cruel, ugly, frightening. Let me explain the Palestinians in the West Bank
of of the occupied territory get only a meager
amount of water per person
17% of the available water is allocated to the Palestinians in the West Bank. The rest is diverted to the Jewish settlers who occupy evergrowing portions of the West Bank.
A Jewish settler in the West Bank gets 12 times as much water as a Palestinian in that same area.
And enormous Palestinian held areas could be irrigated. But the areas live barren because Israel refuses to permit irrigation. Only when land is taken for Jewish settlements, is irrigation permitted. in Gaza, the situation is much worse. Palestinian food production is systematically dried up and destroyed.
While that of the Jewish settlers in the Gaza is flourishing.
Listen to this terrible fact.
40% of Gaza is reserved for a mirror 2500 Jewish settlers.
Well, another 40 present must be divided among 700,000 people.
That means that the Jewish settlers in Gaza have 280 times as much land on which to survive, as do the Palestinians.
Israel Shahada explains in one of his translations from the Hebrew press, just how this is done. And I quote from Israel shot by their efficient deep drilling, the Israeli settlements cause the seawater,
the salt seawater, to enter the underground reservoirs tapped by the Palestinians, while their own deeper wells are not affected.
How would you like that? In other words, the Israelis cleverly pollute Palestinians scarce supply of water without hurting their own.
Listen again, to Israel Shahada. And I quote, again,
since Palestinians are strictly prohibited from deep drilling,
or indeed from digging new wells on their land. The result is that the seawater seeps into their existing wells neurokinin can Palestinians improve the pumping of the water that they need? Even sales of spare parts for pumps for old pumps are rigorously controlled.
As an American, I hang my head in shame to recount this fact. Because I know that America is the pipeline, without which Israel could not survive, and could not inflict this punishment upon those poor people in Gaza and the West Bank.
Israel Shahar says torture of Palestinians comes in many forms. Listen again to the words of Israel shadowhawk.
Torture by humiliation.
Palestinians, including the elderly, he writes are frequently ordered to attend the Office of the military governor. For hours and even days.
They are required to stand all that time, patiently and quietly. Even the elderly must politely asked permission of a young Israeli official in order to have the right to go to the toilet.
The aim is to reduce all Palestinians without distinction here I'm reading again from Israel shock these are not my words. The aim is to reduce all Palestinians without distinction to the level of small children, completely dependent upon higher authority, and to put every Israeli on the higher level.
It is also legal, he continues to write to cause all clinics, all medical services in a town to cut off electricity for hours and days to cut off telephone service for hours and days. As an American, I hang my head in shame to have to recount these facts to you. Because I know that the US government is the lifeline to Israel without which
Could not inflict these dreadful policies upon these people.
And in today's Israel is another echo of the dreadful Nazi past. Book burning. Yes, book burning. Can you imagine that? In this day and age book burning? Listen again to Israel Shahada and these are his words. Israeli soldiers are burning books. Yes, book burning is now in bold
soldiers enter a Palestinian library, whether it be in a home or in a public place. They gather up all the books, they put them in a pile outside and set them on fire. They must they say destroy books that incite uprising? Well, because they cannot read Arabic, they say they must burn all books, just to make sure that the evil ones are destroyed.
And as you know, so well. schools and universities are being closed on a haphazard, often permanent basis in the West Bank and Gaza, another powerful instrument to make life unbearable for Palestinians. Torture goes far beyond simply everyday humiliation, though, even beyond the cutting off of water, the polluting of scarce water supplies, the cutting of telephones, the cutting of medical services, the burning of books.
ISRO shock sites widespread arbitrary arrest and imprisonment without due process, humiliation of young and old women and children and the ugly consequences of the government sanctioning of beatings of beatings of innocent people, people on the street as well as those incarcerated in prison.
Listen, as I quote again, Israel Shahar
Israel once showed respect for Palestinian women.
They were sacred, but no longer now these are Israel shox words not mine.
Now as a matter of routine, a Palestinian woman may expect to be taken into custody without warning and forced to strip tour under underpants. Then each woman stripped nearly naked, is taken by a group of Israeli soldiers into a room. The door is locked and the woman is held there for an hour or so.
And shadowhawk as somberly, you can use your own imagination about what happens after the door is locked. And as an American, I hang my head in shame, to have to recount those dreadful facts to you.
Brutality touches men and women, young and old. Listen again to Astro shaha.
In the Israeli army sadistic impulses of both young and older men are given totally free rein. They may be pursued with almost total impunity, sadistic measures, he gives us an example that four soldiers had beaten and Arab to death. They were subsequently exonerated and sent back to their unit.
But now I must tell you of a dreadful example of brutality that appeared in the translation of the Hebrew press by Israel shadowhawk. In the most recent issue, that of june of 1989.
The account appeared in the widely respected Hebrew newspaper Haaretz as of May the fourth 1989.
I will, for the sake of time summarize what happened.
acting on higher authority.
A group of about 30 Israeli soldiers went into a village
rounded up 12 men.
There was no accusation of any wrongdoing, they simply rounded them up. The men came peaceably and sat quietly until all 12 were found.
Then the 12 Palestinians were taken to a nearby orchard.
in groups of three they separated
By then they had had their arms shackled behind them, there was no way that any of them could use their arms.
Three Palestinians were taken to one part of the orchard with a group of Israeli soldiers and three other groups of Palestinians to other points.
When they reach their destinations within the orchard.
They first in the lie on the ground, they put shackles now on their legs.
Then they took clubs. This was on higher authority. They didn't think this schema up. It was in the chain of military command, they took clubs and beat on these poor 12 Palestinians and tell both arms were broken and both legs were broken, with one exception.
In each group of three Palestinians, the order was given to break just the arms of one person. So in time when he could recover his senses from the terrible pain that had been inflicted, he would be able to get himself up on his feet and go to the village and summon help.
This dreadful assignment was so terrible, according to the article, that a number of Israeli soldiers refuse to take part. So they stayed in the bus that had brought the group to the orchard.
The man operating the buff bus revved up the engines to make them noisy. flannel was stuffed in the mouths of each of the 12 Palestinians before the meeting began. And the new story in this Hebrew language respected daily in Jerusalem,
stated that most of the most of the clubs were broken in the process of inflicting this dreadful injury to these innocent people.
And don't think this was just an isolated incident, says the story because just two days earlier, the same unit on the same orders
inflicted the same sort of damage in neighboring village.
Let me read from Hart's article.
Haaretz article says this story is a grim one in the new Israel any atrocity as possible. Those are not my words. Those are the words of the reporter that dug out the story.
And then the article said
it should be noted that since the incident, some of the officers involved have been promoted in rain.
No one has been brought to trial.
As an American, I hang my head in shame that this happened with USAID with us complicity because these dreadful policies could never have been carried out without the acquiescence of the US government.
But let me ask larger questions.
What happens to a government in which such atrocities have become commonplace?
Israel will never be the same.
The Israel of Ben Gurion
the Israel of Nahum Goldmann
the Israel of those people who dreamed of a Jewish homeland have consideration for all humanity, that Israel is already destroyed.
Destroyed is this vision of a Jewish state devoted to respect for all human beings.
What happens to the soldiers who sat on the bus while this dreadful punishment was being carried out?
What happens to the minds and the attitude and the character of the soldiers that actually went into the orchard to carry out the beatings?
What happens to the officers on high, who designed this form of torture, intended to keep the Palestinian people in line in their place?
And what happens to the Palestinians? Those who are tortured will never forget that experience. norwell their relatives norwell their neighbors as long as they live. This dreadful experience will burn and their existence
But beyond the torture is another ominous face to the new Israel.
Israel shadowhawk spoke of it with great eloquence and feeling during that luncheon meeting to which I referred
Israel shots clarion call today. And his warning is against something that is entirely new something that Adolf Hitler had no way to inflict upon the Jews in Europe. It's slavery with a high tech twist.
Palestine Palestinians are now computerized. Each has an ID card that in the hands of Israeli authorities will call up all vital information about him. Any charges that might have been made, whether founded or otherwise, the big brother of George Orwell's 1984
has found the ultimate expression in Israel 1989.
In Israel, Russia hawks words, Israeli authorities cannot call up total information
about each Palestine Palestinian no matter where they are.
And only Jews of course, can operate the computers.
Israel Shahar calls it computer computerized slavery.
The wonders of 20th century
The wonders of 20th century civilization computerized slavery isn't it marvelous
to Israel shadowhawk computerize slavery is a dreadful, evil
and evil so dreadful, that
listen to my words, and evil so dreadful, that it justifies Civil War.
Yes, civil war. Am I expressing inflammatory language here tonight in Cape Town, South Africa. These are not my words. These are the words of Israel shadowhawk.
And Israeli Jews, a survivor of the Holocaust, who describes himself as a law abiding Israeli citizen.
He says Israel's slave, Israel's computerized slavery warrants Civil War.
And he warns also that the next victims of computerized slavery may be the Jews themselves. Evil begets evil, slavery begets slavery.
And he has this stunning this shocking note.
He reports that a majority of Israeli citizens 58% of them to be exact,
according to a recent public opinion poll,
believe that internal disruptive forces within Israel
are now so powerful that civil war in Israel is inevitable. 58% of Israeli citizens believe that to be true.
And how does this really shock that great law abiding Israeli citizen who grieves for his country? How does he feel about civil war? Here are his words given that day at the luncheon event.
I prefer a civil war to computerize slavery.
What has led Israel shadowhawk in his country move to this forecast of civil war?
For a part of the Lancer let me turn to another scene and another person.
at breakfast, one January morning, this past January in Cairo. I met by chance a Palestinian Quaker
who helps young Palestinians in Gaza who are afflicted with an all too common problem, stress, get a picture of her.
She's short, she's dark skin with curly hair. She's given to punctuating her words with gestures and emotional fervor.
And she describes the horrors as well as the triumph of life under Israeli occupation. Her first word, her first name is Mary and I'm gonna leave her name at that I don't want to give her last name. Let's just call her Mary of Gaza.
She wrote it recited to me two episodes from her own experience and I want to repeat both
them to EMI still within my time limit dr. D dot okay.
At a conference
in Holland, she was midway
in a detailed description of the brutality of Israeli soldiers as they inflicted injury and often death to Palestinians in the occupied territory.
After she finished her lecture, a Jewish woman in the audience stood up
and spoke with great, great emotion in her voice, as she said,
You can't blame the young soldiers.
They don't like what they're doing. Don't blame them. They're simply obeying orders, they are ordered to do these things.
In other words, they're carrying out orders. That was this Jewish woman's defense of the brutality inflicted by Israeli soldiers on the Palestinians. When she sat down, Marie of Gaza exploded,
Mary of Gaza exploded and she said, You are like a Nazi, in speaking as you do. What you have said is exactly what was said in defense of German soldiers at the Jewish death camps during World War Two,
that the German soldiers should not be blamed. They did not like what they were doing. But they were under orders.
But that's not the end of the story.
Mary of Gaza told me that after the lecture was over, and the crowd left the lecture hall, she found this same Jewish lady sobbing in tears outside.
The Jewish lady grabbed Marie of Gaza's hand and begged her forgiveness. She told Mary of Gaza, these words, she said, what you have said is right. I was just like a Nazi. And what I said, being under orders was no excuse for what the German soldiers did to the Jews during World War Two. And being under orders is no excuse for what the Israeli soldiers are doing as well.
That's the end of the quote. And to their everlasting credit. Many young Israelis are refusing to obey orders these days, outraged at what the Israeli army is doing to the Palestinians, hundreds and possibly 1000s of them,
simply refuse to serve in the occupied territory.
Israel Shahada estimates that the number of those refusing to serve may rise as high as 7000, he really doesn't know. And I don't suppose anybody else does either.
And what is done by the Israeli government to punish those Israeli soldiers who refuse to serve? Nothing, all or nothing. Because among those who refuse to serve, are some of the great heroes of Israeli military operations. One was the deputy commander of the rescue operation at Entebbe.
But other Israelis and other American officials pretended not to see, they pretend not to hear, they pretend not to know what's really going on inside Israel. Like Germans during the Holocaust. They cover their ears, they close their eyes, or they simply look the other way. They pretend not to know.
And as an American, I hang my head in shame. to recount these facts to you. Is Israel headed for destruction? be reminded, oh, Israel, of what the Lord said is recorded in the Christian Bible in Amos, second chapter of Amos, verse three, and I quote from the Christian Bible, of all the peoples of the earth, I have chosen you Israel alone. That is why I must punish you the more for all your sins, for how can we walk together with your sins between us? Would I be roaring as a lion unless I had reason? The fact is, here again, I'm still quoting from the Holy Bible. The fact is, I am getting ready to destroy you.
Is Israel set up for self destruction?
Be warned, oh Israel, by the prophetic words of Abraham Lincoln.
my home state of Illinois
who said a house divided against itself cannot stand.
This government cannot endure half slave and half free.
That will become all one thing or all the other.
End of the quote from Mr. Lincoln
Be warned that Israel will become all one thing or all the other. It cannot survive half slave and half free. Israel is a house divided, half slave and half free.
is Israel setup for self destruction? Is it too late?
It is never too late for goodness and righteousness to prevail over evil. Always room be reassured Israel be inspired by other words of Abraham Lincoln.
Harrigan I quote, in giving freedom to the slave
we assure freedom to the free,
generous alike and what we extend and what we preserve.
Oh Israel lecture house, even at this late hour, become all free.
Israeli is assure your own freedom by extending freedom
to your Palestinian slaves.
We say thank you to you for a very informative talk.
Ladies and gentlemen.
We will now call upon brother Medina.
To do he Shea
and when he has completed his talk,
we will put the meeting open to orderly questions. All people who have questions must kindly make their way
to this rocket looking microphone in front of the stage.
And when you put your question
please put it and indicate who should answer you either Paul fenley go ash Madeira.
I will go over the procedure of questioning after brother ima data stalk. Without further ado, I would like first of all to call those people at the back there. To come into the arena. I'm sure there are far more seats inside available for you. Quietly make your way to those seats. And now brothers ladies and gentlemen
wa Salatu was Salam ala Mallanna ba bada Allah mama
as Bob Dylan, Irene to Allah, Allah Allah mean de la la in law basilashvili but also belimbing a[???]aba Jean Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
in Farsi can be nothing but the Belgian
to Cebu, Oman visa holiday, but to be who allama fall to madami, soda Cola, soda calamari Nazim. Mr. Chairman,
and my dear brothers and sisters,
this verse which I have just read to you,
is not really a part of this symposium.
This has been forced upon me by our cousins, the Jews.
They forced me to read this because of what brother Paul Finley had spoken. What he read in the weekend star, what he read in this morning's cape times
what our Jewish cousins you know, they had said, things about me and about him.
And if I allow it to go unanswered,
it will be for them to say that look, this man, he admits his guilt.
For that now I read this ayah from the Holy Quran, in which advice is given to us all know spatially
it says yeah you're Latina woman or you believe Oh people of faith, men and women
in Jackson farcical
if an evil manga, a perverted transgressor comes to you with any news
further verified a certain a certain whether what he says is true or not, before you start spreading it in turn, and creating greater mischief. And in the end when you discover the truth, you regret what you have done. This is Ayah from Surah, Gujarat,
Gujarat, from the Holy Quran.
And I would like you, my brothers and sisters to go home and check this ayah up.
Not that you doubt me, or at any time any learned man gives you references from the Holy Quran, make it a habit of checking up those references, not that you doubt the speakers.
But by checking up seeing the words, uttering them reading the meaning, and the commentary, then that part of the shading that the learned man has done will become a part of your own property that you in turn will be able to share with others. Where do you find this as a Surah hoogenraad? How do you find Surah hoogenraad in an encyclopedia of the size, very difficult.
There are 114 sutras and hoogenraad is only one of them are you start going to page through and this is an encyclopedia, almost 2000 pages to be exact 1920 we will define this.
In this particular one which has been offered to you when you entered. And when you go out.
At the back is an index, a very comprehensive index, anything you want to know, you just browse through the index, you want to know who Gerard and the edge, just like in a dictionary look for hoogenraad once you found it, it will tell you chapter 4949 is easy to find. Because every page is numbered. Then I tell you, it's IRA number verse number six, very easy.
Check it up. And anything everything whatever you want to know.
You want to know about heaven and the edge, even robot hell. Under x, you want to know about the Jews and the J, you will know about Moses and the M you will know about Jesus and the J, what do you want to know you want to know about marriage, about divorce, about heaven about whatever you want to know, go to the index. And this encyclopedia is being offered to you for five rounds, a book of 2000 pages for five rounds. There is not another book on Earth, which you can buy 2000 pages today with a hardcover for five runs. This is all yours You owe it to yourself to buy one if you haven't got one, take it and more than one give to your non Muslim friends, your employees, your employees, whether
they are Jewish, or they're Christians, give it to them.
Now this Jewish tittle tattle
on the Sunday, August, we had this Edward on page two.
But our Jewish cousins were on the alert
on page 19.
On page 19, they had the right word advertising as
advertising ad that impulsively
trying to see how they can character assassinate the people. The purpose of this is to character assassinate, and I'm sure a lot of you have come because I'm seeing on page 19 what the Jews have to say about Ahmed deedat and Paul Finley. So we are grateful to our Jewish cousins for this extra advertisement. We didn't have to pay for it.
Now the thing that we can deal with the most recent event.
There are more than 1000 people in the ethylone Civic Center on Wednesday last Wednesday.
So you will remember more easily how easily people can mislead people who are not there.
There were more than 1000 people according to the k times. The reporter was there. On Thursday morning, they produce a picture of the audience. And as Maddie that speaking
and this reporter we don't know whether it was Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Jew. Because the name is not mentioned we don't know.
But reporters have a tendency to sensationalize news.
It says the paper easier but sensationalize things. So this reporter, as a Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Jew, we don't know who he was. He says, and as it is quoting is a D that said,
Christians who criticize Paul for Rushdie's depth, where he booklets with a fate that was garbage.
There are two different events, the man picks up one event from one place and picks up something else from another place and joins them together. As if this was one sentence uttered by Dida that the religion of these people, the Christians is garbage. Now, putting us on a Warpath with the Christians is a beautiful strategy. We were going to talk about is Israel set up for destruction and now they want to start discussing and fighting with the Christians did the that say this identity? This is a brawler is looking for trouble.
So those of you who were there and know that 1000 people were there.
They will remember that when we were discussing the subject should roosh v die, should he die? And what was the Judeo Christian verdict? I gave a verdict. What is the wording? There's not one word about that.
What I said in brief was that the Judeo Christian meaning the Jewish religion and the Christian religion and the Islamic faith on this point of blasphemy, they are one.
There's nothing mentioned about that.
This was the verdict. I said, the verdict is one people get into the news, writing letters, under the underpinnings nom de plumes, saying, you see the Judeo Christian our standard is far better than those of the Muslims. The Muslims are a barbaric people. So I was suggesting to get your own book. What does your book say? My book confirms what your book is saying.
What I said was those of you who were they will remember and repeating it, it will be available on videotape. So you can't say that the that is playing with words. What I said was that Christianity was based
on the alleged murder of Jesus Christ on the cross
that murder the Jews, rightly or wrongly, according to their understanding this this man deserves to die has to be crucified, because he blasts him.
That was the Jewish charge against Jesus Christ. So I said, This crucifixion is the foundation of Christianity. And as such, Paul,
the great St. Paul, in his book of Corinthians, I didn't mention chapter and verse, I tell you now, Chapter 15, verse 14,
I'm quoting Paul, Paul says, If Christ is not risen from the dead, our preaching is vain. Your faith is failed.
This is what Paul said. And I went on to explain vain, worthless, useless garbage.
I didn't say that Christianity was garbage. This is what Paul says. That if this is not so if there is no such thing as Christ dying and getting raised from the dead, then the religion is worthless, useless garbage. Now, they said, I said that Christianity is garbage as a Paul says that.
This is how they play tricks. How can you get better to these sort of things? I am suggesting to my Jewish Brethren, look, please do us a favor, do ourselves a favor, you and us. Call me to your synagogues. Call me to your halls, top to discuss with me I want to share my thoughts and feelings with you. Come argue and debate with me. You have giants in your mix, all the juices in the country over diversity, senior councils are mostly Jews, you have giants of literature, in your myths, come talk to me.
If I play this similar trick,
see if you can catch it. I'm playing a trick now.
I'm telling you that in the Jewish Bible, that is the Old Testament. David, the Hebrew King,
in his Psalms, Chapter 14, the 14 Psalm, verse one, he says, There is no God, this man of God, he says there is no god
quoted you chapter 14.
I'm sorry, Psalms 14 verse one, and I have the Bible with me and I can show you the words of David
saying there is no God.
Now is there anybody who can? Who can tell me whether anything wrong with that?
I'm telling you I show you here if I can't show you, I don't know what, what do you want from me? 5000 10,000 grand, what do you want? I'll give it to you.
They made a man of God saying there is no God.
Correct? You see, my brother knows that I'm reading it out of context. That's correct. The words are there. The full verse is the fool had said in his heart, there is no God. There is no God. But the fool has said in his heart, there is no God. Can you see now deceive people like that? You take things out of context, you have no right to do it, you did it in error. People rectify you. You have a right to apologize, you should apologize. And if you have done it deliberately, it's devilish. Is it unforgivable? I don't know the report of the journalists who put down that I said Christianity is garbage. If he did it deliberately is something unforgivable.
Now, advertisement, you saw, we had distributed 100,000 of these in Cape Town.
You remember receiving this the face of fear?
We gave out 100,000. If you haven't received one yet, in case you know, the booklet that's given to you. It was supposed to be a passport into the hall, the booklet.
Arabs in Israel conflict of conciliation, I'm sure you have it. Now, if you open the page 25 open it 25 you see that picture close at hand? Because from that far distance, you can see this page 25
of that booklet.
That's why this was supposed to be a ticket into the hole. If you didn't have it, you shouldn't have been in
you should not have been allowed.
But this child,
he is looking straight into your eyes.
looking straight into your eyes, because he was looking to the eye of the camera.
Can you see that? Is because he was looking to the eye of the camera it appears he's looking at you.
What is he doing?
He's crying for help.
He is crying for sympathy
is asking Have you any to give? Have you any sympathy to give this child? Now I am saying here on the page that this is a set up the Jewish soldiers were set up for this picture.
This boy, the woman, the gaping girls with open mouths, they're all set up. Because the camera man he had to be at the right place to get this picture. If he was a little left, he couldn't have got it. If he was a little right. If he was behind in front there, you would never have seen this picture. That means as if he had programmed the people so you soldiers you do like this. And you child you look at the camera a stranger to the eye. Okay, and you Mom, you know, you hold your challenge times save it from the Jews and you girls open your mouth as if you are terrified.
Can you look at the picture? As if this was a setup?
How can you get a picture like this?
And this terrifies my Jewish cousins this picture. I advertised this in the local newspapers and they activated they activated the major newspapers The Sunday Times not to print it, the Sunday Tribune not to print it the Natal mercury not to print it the Natal Daily News not to print it.
The Franz varla the de la chinata. Even the Zulus that given the Zulus, they did it
in protest, they didn't want the world to know what is going on in Palestine.
Now, I said this picture was set up. And this idea of set up
comes again and again in our human experience. Bishop. This is from the experts in the star in the UK. Bishop ready for a serious debate.
There is here a bishop of Birmingham
the right Reverend Mark center.
He says that I had a debate with a Palestinian Christian on the subject the Quran or the Bible, which is God's word.
my Christian opponent
from the Christians point of view, they were not happy with the performance. So the news goes to the bishop and the bishop says in this report
He says he claimed that the two mass meetings organized by the group at Birmingham and EC national Exhibition Center, which debated the merits of the Bible in the Quran had been in inverted commas a set up.
What was he trying to say? That meeting was a setup. In other words, we must have bribed, this guy should rush this Palestinian Christian. So here's $10,000 for you come over from America, you're going to have a boxing match. And in the second round, third round, you know, and I just thought you you just fall down, and then you know that I can be declared a winner, etc. That's a setup. You make prior arraignment as to what is going to happen, how you do things setup
setup, then Jimmy Swaggart wanted to get to McCann, Medina, and I made an arrangement that he can appear on TV throughout the Middle East, among all the Muslims.
And I sent that offer in writing as looked at things I arranged come.
So he didn't reply to my letter, I sent another letter, no reply, send him a telegram, no reply. I got this text number, I tell him no reply.
Nine months later,
full period of gestation, nine months, he replies. He says, he was set up, he won't have nothing to do with deedat because he was set up.
Amazing, everybody when he gets cornered, he says his setup. And I do believe I do believe in people getting set up in voluntary, this general setting up.
When I analyze the problem, I saw that there was some setting up done, who did the setting up. Not only that, the students who organized the debate, they didn't do it. But there was some power beyond the dark, and swagger. And our children who organized the debate. It's setting up had taken place. And that setting up was done by the Almighty God Almighty, He sets up things he sets up people.
And to give you an example, from the Holy Quran, and the Holy Bible,
we read the story about the Palestinians and the Jews. This is not a new story. It is more than 3000 years old. The Bible speaks about the confrontation between the Palestinians and the Jews for 3000 years. You read there, from the very beginning from the book of Deuteronomy carries on
that again, and again, the Jews, they destroyed the Palestinians, utterly men, women, children, and even donkeys were not spared again, despite them utterly. And they come back from where nobody knows, and they dislike them again, actually. And again, they come back. No one knows where this battle between the Palestinians, and the Jews have been going on for 3000 years. This is nothing new. At one stage.
In the confrontation between the Jews and the Palestinians,
the Palestinians, they have Goliath in their midst, a giant, an eight foot giant,
naturally puny people. When they have a big man in their midst, they now feel that they can now confirm the Jews because they have a giant in their midst. So the Palestinians on one hilltop with Goliath in their myths, he's shouting to the Jews on the opposite Hill.
or Jews come
Is there anybody
who's prepared to take known I'll chew you alive?
And from the men sighs it appeared that no Jew could have come anywhere near near Goliath. And if he did, and he got hold of the fellow, the Jew would be squeezed to that
the Jews were shivering in their pants.
I don't know whether these two pens those days, but metaphorically they were shivering in their pants.
So little David.
He comes up to Saul, the commander and he says look, I will take that fell on.
You go and look after your father ship.
Because he was a shepherd boy. He was no prophet. He was no man. He was a boy. a shepherd boy. See you you want to fight the giant when we veterans have so many wars. None of us dare to confront the man the giant.
David says Look, look he's so enthusiastic man. What an opportunity I have I know I can do the job.
source is going to cover your father ship. It's a no no, no, you don't know man. I can slay the giant I can do it.
So Saul offers David his sword and his
Young David says, Look, I have never used it in my life before.
And perhaps the sword is too heavy for him to carry.
Now, David had to be there. What was he doing?
You see if the battle was taking place here here with the Good Hope Center is.
And our little David was five kilometers away, we would have never heard of David David had to be there on the scene.
He had to be there.
So when he refuses a sword in the shield, David says, Look, I'm going to use my sling. So a toy unified agenda with a toy. But he has seen the opportunity, this huge, giant, slow, cumbersome, you know, man was a genius. Abnormal is not even steady on his feet.
And David saw the opportunity.
So eventually, eventually, Saul gives him permission to go if you want to commit suicide go. So David walks down the hill at the stream, he picks up a few pebbles, small stones, and he put one in his pouch, and he swings and he swings to gain momentum. The old fashions sling because they didn't discover but those days there was no rubber then it was a pouch with two strings attached to it. He swung and he swung in at the right moment. He let the one side go. And the missile that the stone flew and hit Goliath on the forehead, cracked his skull, Goliath fell. Little David Russia takes his own sword and chops off his head. And there was constellation in the Palestinian cap. The giant is
gone. The hope of his side lost first blow.
So the Quran reminds us It says Wakata da da da da luta and David killed Goliath.
Wha hoo La Mancha and God gave him Dominion will take Mata and wisdom, Allah, Mohammed Masha and whatever else he will. So the Jew says, David kill Goliath. The Christian says, David kill Goliath. The Muslim says, David kill Goliath.
I'm saying that poor Goliath was set up.
Think of it. You see, the Goliath had to be there. David had to be there for this opportunity. If he was five kilometers away. History would never have known who David was. That man was set up who did the setting up David? No, Saul, no.
The Palestinians know somebody who
there is one above, he sets up. And from that angle, we say people are set up continually. Here is a picture.
If you haven't received it yet, take one when you go as you go out, His Holiness, the Pope,
His Holiness, the Pope, without any disrespect, look at the picture.
He is playing hide and seek.
Look, this picture you must get it. You must keep it he is playing hide and seek. I don't want to do what he's doing. Because you are all catching the camera and, and the photos and then you're going to show that the that is also playing hide and seek.
But you get this picture. I showed this to a Christian missionary. Soon after its publication, a missionary was always at my meetings, the first man to come and ask me questions. I went to him and I showed him this.
I showed him this picture. And the caption.
He said you get the picture.
Where did you get the picture? This picture was done for me.
He says no.
I said this picture was specially taken for me. He says no. Some asking him. You want a picture like this? It says no. So look, I wanted it. I need this picture for my title of my pamphlet, His Holiness, playing hide and seek with the Muslims. Now, what better picture Can anybody
is there anything human Look, if you paid His Holiness, the pope $100,000 to behave like this?
Would you have done it? No. I needed it. And I get it in the post. I get it in the post His Holiness, playing hide and seek with Muslims. You can have this person
you say? I said his holiness was set up.
Everybody gets set up and I was set up in 1967 by Jewish students of the University of Cape Town. I was here in your fifth city on electric tour
and my meetings are being advertised in the newspapers.
what the Bible says about Muhammad, Christ in Islam was Christ crucified Muhammad the natural successor to Christ and so on.
The Jewish students they see those Edwards they phoned, the organizers said, Look, what about Mr. deedat, coming in speaking to us.
So they asked me as it's a privilege by God, to go and speak to my nephews, my children.
And the meeting was arranged in the rondebosch, in Ronnie Bosch, the Jewish students had purchased a whole, you know, from the Christians, it was some church hall, they purchased it, and they had that club running there. So I went down to talk to them. And in that talk,
I was speaking about the Quran and the Jews.
And I was reasoning with them. That the problem between the Muslim and the Jew can be solved very, very easily. I said, we have such a common denominator, in our concept of God, no difference. In our dietary laws, you say no eating of the flesh of swine, we say we won't eat it. You say you don't need you must need blood, we say we won't touch it. You say circumcision, we say we are circumcised. What more do you want? We would say that Islam is Judaism made universal. The only real difference between us is the label, you have got a different label for me.
The question is simply change the label. You want to solve the problem, change the label, you see, as it our own Chris Barnard here in Cape Town, he did this hot Ops, what is the biggest problem in a heart of rejection?
Why the rejection, the body needs a new heart.
And they put a new heart into the body. And when that is done, the body starts fighting it, you know that the body starts fighting the heart. Because it's a foreign element. The cellular construction of the heart is different from that of the body. So the body starts fighting, and in trying to kill the heart, it kills itself. So they have to suppress that better, that battle between the body and the heart. So they start dragging, dragging, dragging the patient until the body is so senseless, it doesn't know who is a friend and who's a foe.
getting used to that heart. This is the battle in blood, this heart transplant. Same thing now with you and as the Muslim and the Jew, you are a new heart. And the body can recognize that heart. Because your cellular construction of this heart is Jew Jew, Jew, Jew Jew and there are the bodies Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim.
What you should do is change the label.
So at question time when young man,
our my nephew, young Jew, he said why don't you change your label?
I said, Look, I don't mind changing my label.
If I want to change my label, I said the Jews they put hurdles in my way.
And if I overcome all those hurdles, eventually if you convert me as a Jew, I'm still a third grade Jew.
But I said what have you achieved? Suppose I changed my labor mean otherwise I become a Jew, get converted to Judaism, what have you achieved as a How many are you in the world today?
So somebody said we are 12 million today there are about 15 15 million, he said 12 million. So now we become 12,000,001 with me become a Jew will become you become 12 million in one versus you know, if you change your label, we are at that moment, we said we are 700 million. We can 700 million in one. Don't you see what a difference it makes? And I say you are a business people, you Jews are a business people, you have the business mentality. Now man, if you are a professional, your mentality is that of a businessman. I said you have a product for which you have a market of 12 million simply by changing the label you get 700 million people to buy. I said You are a fool if you didn't.
Muslims, what is the difference by God? What is the difference? What is the real difference? There is really no difference except we say you are a Muslim and we are at war.
So at question time, one young Jew he says now who's gonna do the job?
Who will do the job so you
you will have to do the job. You're sitting on our chest. You Jews are sitting on our chest meaning in the 67 war there flatten the Arab world in six days.
So you sitting in our chest as I get off, get off our chest and say brother, look, we have done you wrong. Please forgive us.
We can we go and buy God says these Arabs with circus and live with us. We have been living for 1000 years without strife, we can still continue to live. But as give him your hand of friendship, your compassion and see what happens.
The young Jew, he said, You know, I have just returned from the 16th wall. I'm going to complete my medical studies. And as soon as I return home, meaning to Israel, I will take your message home to Israel.
And I see evidence of that happening.
I see evidence of that happening. I will come to that.
You see there was a rule. God Almighty, we believe the Quran testifies that God had chosen the Jews, the Bani Israel. The Quran says Yaba, Israel is kurunegala to
Israel. Remember the special favors which I didn't tell you what I need for Delta Gamma mean that I prepared you about all the peoples of the earth for my special favors? He chose you. You say you're a chosen people. So yes, you are a chosen people.
You say it's in the Bible, as a soldier in the Quran, you are a chosen people chosen for what?
Because of your race, because of your language, because of the riches No, he was chosen for a purpose. And that purpose is spelled out for you in in your Torah. In the Bible, in the second book of the Bible called Exodus, Moses is made to say,
Exodus chapter 19, verse five and six.
He says, Moses, now therefore, if he will obey my voice, God is speaking through Moses, if you choose will obey my voice, and keep my covenant, then he shall be a peculiar treasure and to me something special.
If you listen to God's voice, listen to His commandments, become right with Him, He says, you will be a peculiar treasure and to me about all people. Bronze has one name for delta Kumara alameen, that I prefer you about all the peoples of the earth for my special favors. For all the earth is mine says the Lord, and He shall be unto me a kingdom of priests,
and a holy nation.
That's your job. You are supposed to be a kingdom of priests guide mankind to the knowledge of God, that was the role that why God chose you.
Now you have done away with that role, you have made your religion, a racial religion, all the strife in the world, whatever happened in Germany, whatever happened for the past 2000 years is an account of that you have lost that role, you are done away with that role.
And if you do not carry out the duties and responsibilities which God had imposed upon you for making you the chosen people, he says, the same God, he says, In your book, in your Torah,
in the book of Leviticus, the first book of Moses,
Chapter 26, was 18. And after all this,
if you do not obey me, God is talking us. If you do not obey me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Seven times more than anybody else, you commit one crime, one punishment, you Jews, you get seven times more punishment. This is your book, your book of authority, your book of God, your Torah, was 21. Then if you walk contrary to me, and are not willing to obey me, I will bring on your seven times more plagues.
Seven times more plagues upon you, the Jews, according to your sins, was 28 then I also will walk contrary to you, you are contrary to me, I will also walk contrary to you in fury, and I even I will chastise you seven times for your sins. I don't know when Hitler incinerated 6 million Jews, whether it was six times or seven times, I don't know. But
I said, Look, this is according to the promises made by God to your nation, you go contrary to my will. This is the punishment in store for you.
And he wounds, he wants the Jews in their own holy book, the old Holy Bible, the Old Testament, which is the Bible of the Jews, he wants them.
In the last and final rule of Moses, the last will and testament of Moses, the book of Deuteronomy 15 book,
Chapter 28, verse 68,
Moses is speaking, and the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt.
You have already come out after you have come out in the Sinai Moses is speaking to the Jews and the Lord shall bring
The into Egypt again again.
Which ships By the way, where have I spoken to the national seat no more, though I told you Look, man, I have freed you from Egypt. But he'll bring you back.
Notwithstanding, I have freed you now from the Egyptian bondage, but I will bring you back into Egypt.
And they shall be sold unto your enemies for bondman and bondwoman. Slaves will be sold as slaves, your men and women will be sold as I'm reading your book. I don't know whether there are any Jews who are listening, or whether they'll carry my words to them.
God says, He says, you will be sold a second time a second bondage. Only once you have been in bondage so far in Egypt. This is the second bondage God is promising the Jews will be sold as born men and born women, slave men and slave women. And no man shall buy you will be such a rubbish that nobody will have you even even as slaves, they won't own you.
You autonomy, Chapter 28 verse 68.
Look at all this. This is a setup going on.
You are not going to listen. Right? He gives you he gives you he's given you rope. Go on, go on, as he gave Hitler rope.
This mighty Hitler.
I said great in, in terror in cruelty. his armies marching to Russia. 2000 kilometers non stop. You know that man, Hitler because of him. 40 million people died. The second World War.
But there is hope.
There is hope.
According to holy scriptures, there is hope. There is a chance. You see every time God Almighty gives people power position might is a test how you use it. It is destiny or destruction. See, the title would have been too long is Israel set up for destiny or destruction? We said destruction. But always always destruction goes destiny.
He's giving you a chance.
And he says in the book of Isaiah, chapter 19, verses 23 to 25. He says, In that day, it is coming. In that day, there shall be a highway out of Egypt, a highway out of Egypt, Syria, and the student shall come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Syria and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt. One third means there is a pirate bipartite was three in one nation.
In that nation, Israel be the third with Egypt and with the Syria even a blessing in the midst of the land.
Hitting a lot of hosts shall bless saying bless be Egypt my people. First time in the Holy Bible is the world's experts for Egypt every other time Egypt, the plagues of Egypt, the field of Egypt, the whoredoms of Egypt, everything of the worst things is Egypt for a change. Listen, this God is talking about the same God so whom the Lord of hosts shall bless saying, blessed be Egypt, my people and Assyria the work of my hands and Israel, my inheritance all together in one brotherhood serving together. This is what the Christian translation of the Bible says. So together all the Assyria what is that Syria? Syria that Isaiah saw in his vision is Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, all that is a Syria
and Egypt and Palestine. This is all together three in one. This is the Holy Trinity. This is the real Trinity, not the father, son Holy Ghost. Here is the Trinity unit in Trinity serving together
gives the impression that serving in the army, one armed force can be but no, you take the Jewish translation of the Hebrew scriptures of the Old Testament, the Jewish translation, I have it
printed in America by the Jews, in that the word is they shall worship together sermon serving God worship together. In what faith as a Christian.
as Jews, as Jews is the Jews were gonna rule according to Judaism, they will reject Jesus and they will reject Mohammed, constant strife.
If the Christians were if Christianity was to prevail and worship together as Christians,
the Christians will accept the prophets of the Old Testament
Probably and they will reject Muhammad strife. Only the Muslims as Islam that we worship together. The Muslim says he believes in Moses and David and Solomon and Jesus and Mohammed only as Muslims Can you worship together? So together?
As I said, that offer that I had made to the students in rondebosch.
Perhaps one of those students went back please write.
And I'm reading in the star, one of our leading newspapers the star from Johannesburg.
then there is Henry catch you catch you is well known among the Jews, Henry Katz UK at dw kudzu, a former South African journalist now living in Israel, Henry kegel, who reported in the leading daily the star dated the fifth of December 73. Under the caption for Israel, a perpetual specter of war, always the war, the sword of Damocles on their heads for Israel, a perpetual specter of war.
He continues, the 25 year history. In bracket I put my own words, in the book, when you go home, you can read it, full quotation, now over 40. Now over 40 years, the strife war going on of the Judeo Arab conflict, since the birth of Israel should bring Israelis to the conclusion that politics will not solve the Jewish problem. This is a Jew talking now. But immediately you say, look, this Jew here, this is what he says, the Jews say he is a self hating Jew, he hates to be a Jew himself, must be something terribly wrong with the nature that every time a man speaks out, he is a self hating Jew, or is an anti Semite.
He says, he continues, they must be prepared, the Jews must be prepared to open themselves to a spiritual alternative.
Not my words, go and check them up in the archives of the newspapers, they must be prepared, the Jews must be prepared to open themselves to a spiritual alternative to effect a spiritual revolution, which in turn would lead to the vast new developments.
As at this young man must have been listening to me in the rondebosch, the fall of the Jews in 1967.
again and again, learned men of the Jews,
eroded scholars, Robert J. donavon. On page 17 of his book is is fight for survival. He says.
In a report of the Institute for the Middle East, published in 1959, it was noted that there was a time when there was no such thing as an Arab Jewish problem.
No Arab Jewish problem when relationship between the two peoples were as normal as those between cousins.
And prefer Professor white time, the chairman of the School of Oriental Studies in the at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, on page 21 of his book, Jews and Arabs, he repeats the same words. He says, There is much more to the popular belief that Jews and Arabs are close relatives, cousins, he puts them cousins, close relatives and he says cousins because they were descended from the brothers Isaac and Ishmael, the sons of Abraham coming from the same father, Abraham, they were cousins.
And the latest, the latest on the first of January, this year.
1989 first of January.
Then it been Carl, a Jew,
described as a reservist in the Israeli army during his latest tour of duty in Gaza.
This June, he is serving in the Israeli army
during his latest tour of duty in Gaza reports in the spa again, this is not a Muslim newspaper. They refuse to put our our Edward a second time because of the Jewish protest.
We wanted to repeat a bad word they stopped is a no. Our Jewish customers. They don't want us to have that thing in that star.
This young Jew talking he is a journalist. He says that the Palestinian state already exists.
The State of Palestine already exists. Let there be no mistake about that. It exists in Jabalia and shotty in the mosque and in the mind, the mind of the people. This Palestinian state is there. It exists
By the proliferation of Palestine Liberation Organization flags in shotty, we have already begun to lose the battle for this square mile of Eretz Israel.
This is the start that first battles as we have already started to lose this battle for
the first square mile of Israel is already gone.
He says he's sort of status quo has been reached. They have nothing to lose the Palestinians have got nothing to lose from this point on. Life is cheap. by God. Life is cheap, when you know what you're fighting for.
They are fighting for their independence, their national identity, the pride.
He continues, for all the fear we inspire in the local populace. We no longer maintain absolute control over their lives, no longer control, maintain absolute control over their lives. The symptoms of eventual defeat for the Jews are already obvious.
Who is he a self hating Jew? an anti Semite says oh,
this guy's an anti Semite. He is a man serving the Israeli army and report in one of the most leading newspapers of South Africa, the star, not in the Muslim newspaper in Saudi Arabia.
He says he continues, we catch a rock throwing child, child throwing stones, probably no more than 12 years. No more than 12 years old. In his eyes, I detect a certain pride behind the fear of what is about to happen to him.
Soldiers start shouting, hit him smash his head in break his arms, so he won't throw stones again. Teach him a lesson.
He continues this, this from soldiers who only days before had been law abiding and God fearing citizens. This
from people days before God fearing people, law abiding citizens, and God fearing citizen of the state that was created in order to shelter Jews from exactly those sentiments. Why was they say according Why did they create Israel because they've been persecuted by the Christian for 1000 years, 6 million Hitler destroyed. They wanted a refuge to protect them from all this hate to kill the Jews. Guys, killers, they kill our Lord, and they burn them. They rape their women burn their homes. They want a refuge and they got it. God gave it to them. Now, these are the very people being this.
He says he's crying.
This den even called this Joon Young Jew is crying. So we more than any other nation on Earth should understand that whenever a youth throws a rock at me stone at me, I cannot but feel guilty in the knowledge that we're in his situation. I would also be throwing rocks.
If people were doing that to me, I would do the same thing. And I'll be throwing rocks. But how can i is soldier turned to him and say, as a Jew whose people have known so much suffering at the hands of others. I sympathize with you. How can I say that? He is a soldier of Israel. How can you say that? I sympathize with you for what you're doing to me.
These children, these children are beautiful.
Out of the litter in the stench. they emerge young jewels with clear dark colored faces and white bright, innocent seeming eyes. The three year olds waved at us as our petrol passes. The five year olds already understand that we are the enemy gleefully they show us the V for victory sign not really appreciating what it means. innocent children. We all know. We all know the Jew soldiers and we all know what to do behaving formally, yet politely as the situation demands. And the situation sometimes demand us to be sons of bitches.
Now Goncourt P is a D that says that the Jews are sons of bitches. You know what sickness is this? I'm telling you this is Dan even college Jewish reservist. These are his words reported in any reputable newspaper causes. And he says and the situation sometimes demand as to the sons of bitches and what they will do tomorrow morning in the newspapers we said the dad says the Jews are sons of bitches.
That's what they're gonna say. Did I said that there are sons of bitches. Am I saying that? This is what the Jewish saying that this is how we behave like sons of bitches. You know what that means?
21 years 21 years have gone by since the territories fell under Israeli control. a whole generation has grown up there yet they are no closer to accepting us as anything but a foreign occupying power and the Jewish settlers continue to live the lie locked in their government subsidized houses out of earshot of the rioting, neighbors
They appreciate they appreciate that the safety depends on the army. Every evening they traveled the strip in minibuses distributing hot soup and food to the very patrolling troops trying to bribe them. So look look after us look after us, because they know is our nose. You see the pictures in the in the little booklet look at the children there look at the women there in the in those pictures. And you will realize that if the Jews only put down their arms for a week, these little children and the women will choose or choose a life that turns them to pieces with their bare hands.
Why wait for that? Why create that? He says here
every evening and food to the very patrolling troops, most soldiers except gratefully.
Soldiers are soldiers. Somebody brings you hot soup, hotcakes, some sasco sisters who would like to have them
except gratefully others killed themselves that by logical argument, they may persuade the settlers that the day of judgment will come and they will return to live in Israel. their bank accounts well beyond recognition by government compensation. The few peace seeking idealists
among us among the soldiers of Israel
refuse that charity they won't even tolerate they won't even have that hot soup. They won't have that for some who says nothing.
They know what it means that's bribery you're bribing us. To carry on with this world is the few peace seeking idealists among us among the soldiers of Israel refused her charity, not willing to condone the occupation by even the tiniest of symbolic acts.
The Quran describes beautiful, Allah says min min una boxer Rahul farcical among them. There are sincere good hearted good people among the Jews. God says in the Quran, men who
will act through whom will fast a coup, but the majority of them are perverted transgressors. And he says about those. Yet there are Israeli politicians, those perverted transgressors, who further own cynical ends perpetuate the myth that the Intifada, the uprising? The revolution in the making is trifling thing. You got a gun, you got the power. Those who claim that the grassroot popular revolution can be quelled deliberately mislead the nation. The fact is that there is no military solution to this political problem. There is no military solution to this political problem. Almost every reservist who has spent time in the territories this year has seen too that has seen that
there is no political solution, there is no solution with a gun.
And you carry on, he says, and if we stay, we are going to be dragged deeper into the quagmire. As world opinion shifts even further against us. Eventually, a solution of sorts will be forced upon us upon the Jews, we will retreat with our tail between our legs like a beaten dog with a tail between your legs. This is what it says this is how you're going to end off when the whole world opinion and there is a say, There is a saying
among Muslims that there is a Hadees
which says a time will come that even the stones will cry that there is a Jews hiding behind me.
You know what that implies? The stones don't talk is the language of the Bible also.
Jesus Christ telling the Jews is distinct not that you have Abraham as a father, for God can raise up children unto the stones to Abraham. Stones means is rubbish heartless people backward barbaric people out of them, he can create people who can represent the message of God. Stones, meaning the most hard hearted people, most cruel people even they will recognize that this Jew is hiding behind a Christian name a facade and facade. get him get him get him I said why wait for that? Why not come right with God come right with the people do justice to them. They're only asking for justice.
And descemet again and again anti Semites, Max
And erudite Jewish historian, Max ID more in his book, Jews God and history on page 205 he says
today, the Arab world is arising from its slumber I say thanks to you Jews.
If the Arabs can use the Jews to heist themselves out of the abyss into which history has been done, they can be blamed no more than other nations which are playing similar power politics. It is up to Jewish leaders in their own national self interest to convince the Arab leaders that the Arab world can achieve its legitimate aims with
Friendship of the Jews as in days past. astute statesmanship can relax the present Israeli Arab tensions, because they are not caused by deep rooted racial and religious antagonism.
But by temporary political expediency his history has shown
concludes next item on history has shown that Jew and Arab can live together without strife and with mutual profit.
And Robinson, another leading Jewish writer,
I say cry with Robinson Robinson is crying.
In his book, Israel in the Arabs, this Jews crying Robinson.
But for one thing, they the Israelis cannot be said to have a historic right to a piece of territory. Because some of the ancestors supposedly inhabited 2000 years ago for another, they ought to recognize that they have done a considerable wrong to another people in depriving them of rights at least as great as their own. The bitterness felt by the people to whom this wrong was done still persists. And as long as it does, the rights of the Israelis will remain purely hypothetical. They can only hope that the Arabs will one day recognize and accept them, only then will the rights become real. The Arabs to have rights in many respects, they may justify will be held to be greater
than Israelis. The Arabs of Palestine have the same rights over Palestine territory as a French exercise in France and the English in England. These rights have been violated without any provocation on their part. The wrongs done to the Arabs by the Israelis is very real.
The juicy anti Semites Moses is an anti Semite. Believe me, Moses says you behold a stiff neck people say you Jews. You have been rebellious against the Lord since that day I knew you read Isaiah, Thomas, your Jewish prophets what they have to say about you? Are they all anti Semites, they hate you. They hate themselves.
My dear brothers and sisters,
there is a chance
there is a growing number of people among the Jews, who realizes as brother Paul Finley has pointed out
people like him there are others like Ben den even tall like Henry castle, there are people among the Jews who are crying about the injustice that you are worse than the Nazis you're doing things that the what the Nazis didn't do to you, you are doing to this poor Palestinians. And this is, as soon as the world opinion The world is realizing they're not everybody is not asleep. They're knowing what's going on. Now. Day by day, more and more things are coming in the news. Daily, they're killing little children. Little little children are being killed daily.
This is the fate in The Times Magazine Times Magazine, the weekly news magazine International. We read the the Palestinian question.
I end with this. So what manner of men would retaliate against the stone throwing child by shooting him in the back as he ran away? What kind of people are these?
Who shoot the stone throwing shelter shooting him in the back as he ran away? What manner of government would retaliate by finding already poverty stricken parents $1,000, demolishing the home and confiscating the mega positions? What manner of people are these arrogant settlers who think they have a god given right to commit such atrocities and still cry for more?
What manner of people are we
that we permit our government to give away millions of the American taxpayers dollars to Israel every year, enabling it to continue to subjugate the Palestinian people. What manner of people are we the Americans, this man is an American, Alice F. Smith from Santa Barbara, California in The Times Magazine February 20 1989. There are people are waking up to the situation, and this will create
either you change
or destined for destruction. Walk with
We wish to say thank you very much to you indeed, for a very well delivered talk.
I personally believe
that you have done justice under the circumstances
and in the time available for treating the topic that was chosen
I also wish to say at this point in time, thank you to Mr. Murray and his helpers for having tried their best to solve the problem.
We come now, to the close of the gathering way, you will be allowed to come to the microphone in front
and put a question to either Mr. Paul Findley or brother Madeira.
But this part of the meeting needs to be controlled.
Each person who puts a question should they remember that it must be a question, not a debate, and not a lecture. And Mr. de de Tomas defend Lee are compelled to reply.
Whilst this is taking place, the questionnaire must be given every opportunity to state his case, and so much the speaker, we are presently having only this one microphone. So you must please bear with us. If there are people who have questions pertaining to what was discussed tonight, please make your way to the microphones now.
My name is Ahmed from Egypt.
I would like to ask, why doesn't the Jews
acknowledge of the state of Palestinian and they know that the Palestinian is Arabia. And they know that they take all the land from the villas tinian by the force, the gun and the cannon and everything like that.
As I understand the question,
is this. Why does Israel not permit the Palestinians to be represented by the leadership of the Palestine Liberation Organization? Is that your understanding of the question? It's a very searching question. A very important question.
I tend to talk too long. I'll try to keep my response brief.
There is no question. But what the PLO, headed by Yasser Arafat is the acknowledged leader of the Palestinians, wherever they live, whether they be in the occupied territory, or in South Africa, no question about it.
But Israel is in a very unique political position. Thanks to the United States.
Israel does not have to deal with its neighbors in a normal fashion.
The lobby for Israel in the United States has become so effective, so efficient in influencing the behavior of the US government,
that Israel has been able to count on American support for its policies wherever they turn.
That means that Israel because of the influence of Israel's lobby in the United States,
is able to behave in an unprecedented, unprecedented manner in dealing with the Palestinian leadership.
In every other political situation of the store,
one party has been able to select its own leadership,
and the other party has been able to select his own leadership. But thanks to the power of Israel's lobby in the United States, and the support that our government gives to the leadership of Israel,
Israel is able to take this unprecedented position of demanding the right to select the leadership of the Palestinian movement itself. That's the root of the problem.
Now, we're at not for the extraordinary power
of Israel's lobby in the United States.
The Government of Israel would be forced to come to terms in a normal fashion with its neighbors, including the Palestinians in the occupied territory.
But as long as Israel can depend upon the uncritical time divided,
powerful financial, military, economic and moral support of the United States, it does not have
to behave in a normal fashion.
That's the the answer to your question wherever the questioner is. And I believe there is something that that gentlemen can do to make a change.
At the risk of being self serving here tonight, Mr. De dot, I would urge that gentleman to get a copy of my book out in the lobby before he leaves, my book is entitled, they dare to speak out. It tells exactly how Israel's lobby has been able to attain this enormous control over the policies of the US government. And if that gentleman would get a copy of that book and read it, and then mail it to someone he knows in the United States, he will help to bring understanding among the people of the United States about how US policy in the Middle East is, is made. Because despite our enormous potential for communication,
despite our books,
despite our magazines or newspapers, you the American people simply are in ignorance about how US policy is made. They really don't know about the power of Israel's lobby. And each of you here tonight, can help to awaken their interest in this subject, to provide them information, to give them inspiration to help break this enormous grip that Israel's lobby has on the US government.
question to Mr. Paul Finley is this that the American nation today
is on the side of Israel, and therefore it is alienating itself from the Muslim world.
It is also becoming
what I plan to get the question across.
In other words, the American nation, it says, sacrificing itself and become an enemy of the Muslims. I would like to ask you the question. The Americans who are Adamic, who are a democratic society? How did they allow themselves to become enslaved? By the thinking about busyness in their country? How do they allow themselves to become enslaved in their mind?
The second question is this.
I just signed up with
the second question is, is it Don't you think,
is really set up for destruction in America will also be first had to be set up for destruction? Because the destruction of America would be the destruction of Israel? Israel is destroyed?
Don't you? Don't you think that America is destroying itself
by supporting Israel?
destruction. Similarly, America will destroy itself in the process by supporting Israel.
I hope I grasped the two questions.
The first, I believe,
is why has the United States become the slave of the State of Israel? Does that summarize the question?
At the risk of trying to sell my book, that's what my book is all about. I was defeated in my bid for reelection to Congress in 1982, after having served 22 years, representing a rural area, an agricultural district to the state of Illinois.
I was defeated because I was the only member of the congress who is challenging us policy in the Middle East. That is to say, who was criticizing the support our government was giving to the State of Israel.
The only one, the only one out of
in the US Senate are 100 members, two from each state.
In the House of Representatives, there are 435 members
535 people all together. And ladies and gentlemen, as of today, there is not one of those 535 members willing to speak out for what is best for America, for what is best for humanity, are unwilling to speak out to challenge the policies that our government carries out, which provides blind support to the State of Israel.
Now, I could keep you here all night and explain in detail why it is that every one of these 535 elected representatives of the American people are so terrified of Israel's lobby, that they dare not speak out and challenge what is going on today.
One would think that given the terrible brutality that is visited every day of the year against the poor Palestinians in the occupied territory,
that the American congressmen the American senators would be lined up 50 deep every day in their chambers to speak with outrage and anguish about what was going on in the occupied territory. But you can search the Congressional Record which prints every word that is said, in both chambers of the Congress and not find one word of criticism of Israel for his behavior.
In a nutshell, it is because the American Congressman, are afraid of the power of Israel's lobby. They are convinced that if they challenge the lobby, they will pay a price next election day. And politics is survival. They all want to be reelected. Now, why are they terrified? Don't they hear from their constituents who are concerned about what happens in the occupied territory?
The truth is, most of the American people today are asleep. They don't know what's going on. They're worried about their own pocketbook, their own job, their own family, their own neighborhood, their own city, their taxes.
They don't give much attention to what's going on in the Middle East. And they do not realize as this gentleman's second question suggests,
that the price they will ultimately pay for their blind support of Israel's military policies may be a terrible price. Indeed.
It's eating away. It's eating away at the foundations of American democracy. Israel's lobby has been able to stifle dissent to frighten members of Congress to keep them from speaking out. It has also reached its arms of influence out into the universities and colleges, it has reached the business community. Now only a tiny portion of the American population
is supporting the lobby for Israel in the United States. But that tiny portion of the population supports it was such deal zeal, such fervor such persistence, that it is able to dominate the debate on Capitol Hill and control almost to a total degree, the making of US policy in the Middle East.
It's a dreadful situation that threatens the cherished institutions of the United States.
All that is needed is for the American people to be stirred themselves to become aware of what's happening to know about the power of Israel's lobby, to become aware of the fact that they share the guilt. They share the guilt of the dreadful atrocities being perpetrated against the Palestinians every day in the year. They will then exercise their influence through the electoral process and changes will come. It's my hope that my book and the work of others in the peace field
Well somehow awaken the American people create understanding in time to avert the dreadful calamity that this gentleman second question, forecasts. Thank you.
On the question of, is the book free? Or should we pay for it? Please let it be known that if the price of the book has to be what it really is,
then five rounds would be by far insufficient. The book has been heavily subsidized by the Islamic Propagation center of Durban. And Mr. Paul Findley doesn't make anything on it. Thank you. Next question, please. I do believe that the Jews and the Arabs have come from one seed and that seed is Abraham.
And they ought to be brothers.
But the question is that they are not brothers today, because they're still fighting against each other.
Now, Mr. de de uses the Holy Bible for a lot of his questions for a lot of his answers. How would like to ask us the data? To quote from the Bible, from Genesis chapter 16? And verse 11, and 12? To answer the question,
why are they the Jews and Arabs? split?
Fighting and you want him to quote,
can please use the Bible again, as he normally does?
To give an answer, for the reason why they are still fighting today. Genesis chapter 16, verses 11 and 12.
Could you read the the statement in the Bible,
this is the law which spoke to haga in the desert.
You said you are now with child and you will have a son,
you shall name Ishmael, the Lord is of your wisdom. He will be
everyone and everyone's hand against him. And he will love
towards all his brothers.
So that's why they still fight today, between the brothers which are supposed to be brothers, because Bible gives us prophecy that this will happen, that they will live
from the Bible, when you use the Bible.
The question is, why
are you answering the question yourself? Why are they fighting one another? That is what we want to know. We are presenting to us and look they have no reason to fight as brothers. Their prophecy had been made you talk about prophecies in the book of Genesis chapter 17, where God Almighty promised to Abraham said, I will give unto thee into the seed after the the land without a stranger
Now, how can you be listening to me?
First you listen
All these people are waiting and you're reading the letter. Well, what do I do?
So a promised prophecy, prophecy was paid.
God promised Abraham so I'll give you and you'll see it after you all the land of Canaan, or an everlasting position and it will be the God not the Jews
brainwashed into thinking that they are the only sons and seeds of Abraham.
Because they discount Ishmael forgetting that in the book of Genesis, noticed in turn places boardroom it speaks about
as each man is so I've heard the 12 pieces shall he begin, and I will make it make him a great nation because he is I see NFH maltais son, and I see no less than four places with the Jew ignore. If he only recognizes
that look Ishmael as the firstborn, according to the Jewish law
He has more rights than the second ball. And the Bible tells you that even if the child, the firstborn is the son of a hated wife, even then you can decide whether you like him or you don't. He has his equally narratives. So they forget this booklet of mine, you go home and you read it, it gives you an explanation of how the sicknesses and sicknesses develop. And what are the answers to those sicknesses? It's all given to you.
rightfully quoted now, about that?
Will you then so rightfully, quote, what I've just quoted Now, also,
will you then please, Paul, I quoted you. I'm quoting you versus Do you know the Bible,
Chapter 17 of the Bible,
to the people chapter 16 verses,
you read it now.
the Bible. Now, point of order. You have read, you have read the quotation from the Bible,
which you had the right to quote, which you did.
Mr. Dida has given you even further quotations, in addition to what you have read, or therefore believe that the answer that you have been put to the question you've been posing, has been answered by both you and the speaker. Thank you very much.
All right. I will allow the gentleman in front here. One more question. And then I would like to say that the lady who has posed the question appears to be able to stage fright. I will read the question for of the your question has been answered, sir.
Do you believe that of the discussion about Israel
that is set up for destruction? Or are they set up for destruction? Do you believe after all, they have done?
The oldest of all, sorry?
the way witness from God when God has chosen as a chosen nation? Do you believe that God has now rejected them? Because of the sense that they
did not come here has a religious scholar in any sense? I'm not one. But I'll be glad to respond to your question.
If one takes literally the words of the Old Testament,
then it is very clear that the Israelites of that day were chosen of God.
But chosen in the servants sent sense, not the leader sense is also easily demonstrated that the compact made with God in that period was violated by the Israelites, so that any promise that God had made to them as chosen people, in regard to the land, was abrogated by their own violations. Could I read the question now posed by a Muslim sister? I have no idea where she is. I do not know who she expects to answer, either Paul Finley, Medina, but the question is, what role has South Africa played in the oppression of the Palestinian people?
this one or this one?
We should answer perfectly. Can the lady show me the side or that side?
This side Mr. DITA?
Thank you, sister.
What rule has South Africa played in this operation by the Israelis and the Palestinians? The rule is both are
like Siamese twins, the Jews.
The Israelis and the South African government are like Siamese twins. See, they are the only two nations on Earth, which are all both opting for the same thing about hate keeping people apart, oppressing people, exploiting people.
So as such, now they
ought to be because South Africa has got no friends. And Israel really beside the United States also has no friends. So
they have to get together.
As I speak as a Christian,
I asked the question of Mr. Finley.
The question was raised earlier on, why is there such a big lobby in the United States Congress against the Arab states?
And my I asked him, and I think he agrees with me, I did speak to him. It's based upon the false Christian doctrine of premillennialism, which tries to put Christ back in the physical, on the physical throne in Jerusalem.
And so that people in the United States who lobby against the Arabs are scared that they're gonna bless him God, if they don't allow this to happen.
But my, my question to him is, is it not true that the doctrine of premillennialism is false? And in fact, in Christianity, there's neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, bond nor free, we are all one together.
Thank you for that question.
One day in rural Illinois, when I was seeking reelection to Congress,
a young man, a very serious young man who was then an official of the county government came to me.
And he said,
with nothing in the way of malice in his manner, he said, with greatest sincerity, I must warn you, what you are saying and attempting to do in regard to the Middle East, is going against God's will.
You are going against God's plan.
And I fear for you, and he was very serious.
This man believed in the doctrine of millennialism.
Yes, he also believed in biblical prophecy,
under which God granted to the people of Israel the right to certain land in the Middle East,
he believes that the day of judgment will come and in his view, the sooner the better.
And when that day comes, there will be a great battle on the plane of Armageddon, between the forces of good and evil,
and Christians will be raptured above the battle and be safe.
And in that battle, the forces of good will triumph.
And all of the Jews on Earth at that moment will either be destroyed or converted instantly, to Christianity. Now, this young man was not an isolated figure in my district. There are 1000s of people in my constituency who believe exactly as he did. And when one takes the entire nation as a whole,
there are probably 40 million American citizens that hold to that doctrine.
This means that they support Israel. They want Israel to be strong until that moment of Armageddon. They believe it is their duty as Christians to give every bit of political support they can to the military strength of the State of Israel 40 million American citizens holding to this notion of biblical prophecy that I don't believe at all most American Christians rejected. But still there is this enormous body of Christians who do support this idea, and they in effect are a part of the lobby for the State of Israel in America today. They cannot be ignored. They're difficult to reason was, but they're there and they're effective. And it's part of the problem that we face. And get
a question to the ex Congressman Paul Findley, please,
Mr. Friendly, a quick glance at your book. I see the first edition was in 1985. He were a congressman for 22
which I assume was from 1960 onwards.
Now, the question here is, when exactly did you start with your sort of crusade against the American aid to Israel? Was it before the 67 war or after the 67?
The call the question the gentleman has posed to me
is when was it that I began to speak out about Middle East Policy
that happened quite by accident. One of my constituents was arrested in faraway South Yemen. He was accused of espionage by the government of South Yemen and arrested and put in prison. I had to go to South Yemen to plead for his release. And in the process, I heard for the first time, the Israeli side of the problem I heard from,
I should say, the Arab side of the problem. I talked to the President of Syria. I talked with officials in Lebanon, I talked with many officials in South Yemen. And after that experience, I began to speak out. That was in 1973, march of 1973.
I have one last question. Mr. Did, you and Mr. Finley have now I've been fighting up all emotions, that I and I think many others are on the verge to go to war and defend our Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine. Please tell us what to do.
The question is
Mr. De dot and you have been firing up her emotions. So that I and I think many others have, have been on the verge of wanting to go to war and defend our Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine, please tell us what to do.
I am not the one to tell South Africans what to do in the Middle East. I can say what I am trying to do as an American in the United States. I am trying to persuade our Congress and our president to suspend all aid to Israel until this brutality and occupation and denial of human rights comes to an end.
Us aid to Israel
strengthens the radicals in Israel. And the sooner we put strict conditions on us aid to Israel, the sooner that state will have to behave in a normal and convert Hello.
In a normal and conventional fashion, in its relationship with its neighbors. If USAID were suspended, Israel would by necessity have to come to terms quickly with its neighbors. I am trying to advance that cause in the United States through my books, and through my lectures. I would like to very be very brief in saying a great big thank you to our visiting speakers. And to Mrs. Finley a great big thank you to Mr. deedat
and a very great big thank you to all of you for having been so patient. Our asked my brother to read a short dua. In closing Please be seated.
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salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu. Good night, ladies and gentlemen, safe home.
Anybody has seen this before. This is a cape town production.
You haven't seen it? You know, so lucky. That means if you're in a cell, this is the Cape Town production. I'll keep
using some Muslim publication, you're gonna kiss it and take it home. This is the Christianity giving you Bible cause Al Kitab.
This is new and new ways of deceiving the people catching fish.
It gives you power.
It boosts your morale.
an innocent, nobody can say you're provoking. You're looking for a fight. When this little humble thing you put on to him. This puppy, you had a challenge.
300 years they tried to convert your father's they hammered you people they enslaved you people change your surname change your language.
The fool doesn't know that he is in the firing line. Now. While he's reading, he's in the firing line.
Because when you read this today, as soon as you read this, you think of Spain.
We can change this country. We can topsy turvy, this country. You know that without shedding of blood without killing anybody. It can be done. That's the destiny Allah is offering it to us is the only user here who Allah
is given you then has to master overcome and supersede them or
bulldoze them or wallow carriacou shikun no mine homodimeric Martin might not like it. This is the destiny of his day. And he repeats it again. Another place in the same formula. Then he repeats again.
hula, hula, hula hula. He sent His messenger with guidance, but the mill hoc and with the religion of truth. Do you hear while at the Nicola that it may prevail overcome and supersede every other day? Whether it be Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, communism, Judaism, and reason Islam is destined to master them all. worker fabula shahida an interface Allah is a witness to the fact that he's going to make is deemed to prepay