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In the name of Allah, most Gracious, Most Merciful.
We welcome you all here tonight in the Kensington Civic Center.
We will ask Mr Foudy Cornelius to start the evening's proceedings fast with a recital from the Holy Quran
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Verily Allah has spoken the truth.
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Salam Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
We have come tonight to the end of a series of eight lectures by Mr. Medina.
And these lectures included topics such as what the Bible says about Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam crucifixion or crucifixion is IO n or ctio in whether it is fact or whether it is fiction and our code on the visual medical tonight, the topic under discussion
is is Jesus God
We are indeed fortunate to have Mr. Medina denominates. So soon after an extensive tour of the Arab countries, where he lectured on these very topics
he leaves for Durban tomorrow morning.
And I'm sure for many of us, it will be a set where we fail well
through the Islamic Propagation center, he has brought with him free literature.
I think all the literature has been dished out, we have to wait for more.
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of the TV program, which was on the program, cross questions.
The topic then was Islam and Christianity. Mr. gilcrest, feature D and Mr. Medina and molana from Durban and another Roman Catholic minister, that is available for 25 rains.
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We won't take much more of your time will now call upon Mr. Medina to deliver his talk on the subject is Jesus God.
Our belimbing shaytani r rajim
Bismillah Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
mal mercy from the Mariama ihlara soon
DITA Karna yaku lanita
painful nobody knows it. Man good analogy Kuhn sakala. Psychology.
Mr. Chairman, and brother.
They would like to know, how does it come about? That a Muslim
is expounding biblical prophecies. He's dealing with Islamic subjects from the Christian point of view that my that he might be able to appeal to the Christians. Where did he get this knowledge from?
I did make some indication in the beginning of my lecture tour, that I was working in a country shop and across the shop from where I was, there was a Christian mission, Adams mission station
where missionary missionaries were being trained.
And these missionaries were coming into the shop where I was working,
selling sugar and salt hanging flower. This was my work. And me and my other other young ex students just left school.
We were being hammered by the Christians.
They came along. Whatever they studied, they practice it on us.
So, you know,
Islam was spread at the point of the sword. In other words, Muhammad forced his religion down people's throat by threatening them of chopping of their heads. Since Mohammed copied his book, The Quran from the Jews and the Christians,
you know, he has so many wives, and on and on, we were at the receiving end of a Christian assault attack.
And either I felt you should leave the job and run away
or defend yourself, but you can't defend yourself if you have no knowledge.
And I was in desperation,
and alphabetize Musa people as Bob, He is the creator of opportunities. I was restless one Sunday morning, didn't know what to do. I want some reading material. There was no books to read. But I was hungry to read. So I go into my boss's warehouse, rummaging through a pile of newspapers looking for something pleasant to read, like the farmer's weekly, and things of that nature.
And in that pile of newspapers, I come across the worm eaten book, full of mildew.
And the name of the book was is Hyrule Hawk, which means the truth revealed.
At the end of this booklet, if you have received it is the Bible God's word, there is an epilogue that how these things happen. And I mentioned here, that this book is Harold Huck changed my life. My all my experiences, you know, this has made me actually that one book made me to come here now. And you come to listen to me, because of that one book, what one book can do.
So in that book, it was written by an Arab and this era gentleman was trying to arm the Indian Muslims.
who were at that time at the receiving end of a Christian assault in India.
You see, India was in the hands of the Muslims, we were ruling it The rule is almost 1000 years. And the British came with a superior gun power and they snatched power Dominion rule out of our hands.
And they felt and they thought rightly, that if at any time anybody would give them trouble, it would be the Muslims because they had tasted power tasted Dominion tasted rule and once you have tasted it, you aspire to get it once more back again.
So that if we can convert these people, if we can make them to turn the other cheek, you know, we can rule India for 1000 years.
So they started pouring in the missionaries, like frogs in the rainy season into India. And they started mastering our language and wanting to debate with the Muslims.
At first, the Muslims were reluctant you know, these are the our rulers now they have conquered us. And if we debate with them, you know, they might put us in jail, Robben Island, something like that. Says men leave it out. But now since they started learning our language, and challenging us in our mother tongue,
the Muslims were forced to accept the challenge and a Maulana Abdul Aziz of Delhi. This is I'm reading in the book, which made everything interesting to me, which brought me here
that Maulana Abdul Aziz of Delhi, he was forced to accept the challenge, it was a certain Reverend founder, who was the head of that movement, missionary movement. And according to the appointed time and date, the debate started,
the Reverend started the debate with requesting the molana mala means our share for him in our language in the language of the Indian Muslim said Maulana Sahib telling him in so respected Mawlana get started,
start the ball rolling.
So, the monana said you say look,
you are elder brother, in other words, Christianity proceeds standby 600 years. So, you are 600 years senior to us. So as such, you have the first preference.
look, you are a guest no doubt an unwelcome guest but a guest at that. So asset again, you have the first preference.
So the Reverend was forced to start the debate. And he started with a question.
This is Maulana Sahib speaking in Urdu. Manasa. Where is your Prophet Muhammad now?
So the molana
after a pause, he replied, that he is in general to fill those in heaven, bless in heaven with God Almighty.
Out of that answered in the second question, said all right, all right. Tell me now, where was he when his grandson Hussein was martyred at Karbala.
So the molana again thought for a moment
and he again replied, he was still in general fulfill those in Blizzard heaven with God Almighty.
Out of that answer came the third question. I'm reading this in the book.
Is it all right now Manasa have look if you if your Muhammad was with his Allah, as you say,
and while his grandson was being butchered, he at Karbala Didn't he asked his Allah for help. He said, Look, my grandson is being butchered, please.
So there was a long pause.
And the Reverend couldn't hold his piece and started stamping his feet to come on, come on, video didn't he? Didn't he asked Allah for help?
Because if somebody is bullying me, and if I have a young, Heavyweight Champion, extremists, Illuminati policeman, you know, has helped me Save me. So Didn't he asked his Allah for help?
So after a long pause, the mother said, Yes, he did. He did this, what did he say? We know he wasn't saved.
What did Allah say?
And there was an inordinate pause. And you pause. So the Reverend against our stamping? Come on, come on. What did he say?
He said, Allah cried. He cried. Allah cried. He said yes. I couldn't say my own son, Jesus, how can I say your grandson.
And the debate was over. I hope the chairman doesn't take exception to your left. And look, we are human beings, we must have sense of humor. sense of humor is not only laughing at other people, but we can also laugh at ourselves. There are times and I know you have it. I will remember in the city hall, Cape Town, I made a joke against the Malays, and the Malays, they enjoyed it, it was against them. I said, Look, they have a sense of humor, they can also laugh at themselves. This is greatness. laughing at other people, any fool can do that. But can you laugh at yourself, sometimes the joke is on us, we must be able to laugh it Don't lose your temper.
I'm reading another anecdote. This is what made me to read that book.
It says there was an Arab shake,
out of shake and a Christian missionary, you know, got stuck into him. And they have the perseverance. Look, we must give them that credit. You know, they can come night after night. And you can knock them base them you know, with all the arguments, and still they come back for more.
They have a look. We haven't got it admitted. We haven't got that quality. We can take it.
They can take it. They can take it. So this this missionary he kept on going to this out of shape, you know day in and day out is preaching to him Christ crucified, that, you know, Jesus Christ died for your sins. Jesus Christ died for your sins, you only accept and you'll be saved.
And he won't let go. Persevere, perseverance was there. So the Arab shake, told his secretary said Look, when this guy comes again next time, I want you to come and whisper something in my ears. So according to the arraignment, when the missionary started again, Christ died for your sins Christ crucified.
So the secretary of his comes along and whisper something in his ears.
Something somebody did.
So the missionary net
news, the gibril died,
the Archangel Gabriel that he died.
So don't be a fool system. Angels don't die, and says, you fool you telling me all along that God night.
Angels don't die, but God can die.
So we want to know whether he was gone. The subject is is Jesus God.
If he died, did he die as a man? We know he didn't die. We are told omaka todo masala boo. They didn't kill him and him crucified. But let us accept the word for whatever they say. He said, Now look when he died, did he die as a man or did he die as a god?
If he died as a man, useless?
Well, the whole theology is useless. Because one man can carry the sins of the whole world one mankind, he must die as a god.
If he dies, if he is crucified, he must be crucified as a god. Only then
Can Rudy mankind? So they must tell us? Did he die as a man? Or did he die as a god? So if it is about them God died.
Tell us what.
question is Jesus God
can be answered very easily by asking a counter question.
You see, to the question is Jesus God, we ask a counter question, did he claim to be God?
If we claim to be God, then we start discussing further. What is the implication of that statement? First, did he claim such a thing? You see, there are people today in the world, like in India, they say Mahatma Gandhi, you heard his name, I'm sure, Mahatma Gandhi.
He was the ninth incarnation of God.
You see, the Hindus believe in God's incarnate, meaning God coming down to earth again and again as a man. They say when the need arises. You see God Almighty, He comes down to earth, He delivers delivers the message and he dies, somebody kills him and he dies. And when the need arises, again, he comes again.
This is the Hindu theology.
in that system of incarnation, we believe Rama was the seventh incarnation of God. Krishna was the eighth incarnation of God means at the time that God came into the world, he came in the form of Krishna. Buddha was the ninth incarnation of God. calacatta was the 10th and Mahatma Gandhi was the 11th.
I'm sorry, I said
he was the 11th according to certain Hindu theologians. Now we have to ask our Hindu cousins. Did Mahatma Gandhi say that?
This is no, don't waste time.
Look, simple. Easy. Is 600 million video saying hotma Gandhi is the 11th. God incarnate. We asked them did Mahatma Gandhi say that? This is no
threat to the world wasting time. Don't waste time. Don't waste your breath. No.
90 million Germans they go once more.
on the warpath. This time they say Hitler was the second God incarnate Jesus Christ was first Hitler is number two.
We asked the Germans did Hitler say that? This is no. Please, don't waste our time.
This is heartache you know something gone wrong with you. The same thing Rama, Rama Rama is the seventh, the Rama say that this is no throw to the wall. If somebody said the Holy Prophet Muhammad was God incarnate, as the fool, did Muhammad say that? This is no such?
First thing the man makes the claim. Now we analyze that claim. But if the man didn't make the claim, there's no sense in wasting your breath. So to the question is Jesus God, we pose a counter question, did he claim to be God. And on the first night of my, this series of thoughts, there was one of our Christian brethren. He came forward. And it had no connection with the lecture. He had to make a statement that Jesus Christ is God.
He had to come and make that statement. In other words, in his mind, heart and mind, he delivered the message to the Muslims. Now you all will go to hell, if you don't accept him. He's done his duty. So I responded, I said, Look, man, there is not a single unequivocal statement anywhere in the Bible, where Jesus says, I am God, or where he says worship Me, meaning a single statement straightforward.
Saying that I am God.
No doubt about that. If a man says I'm God, he says, He says, show me in your book. 73 books of the Roman Catholics are 66 of the Protestants anyway, in any version, and they have 1000 versions. Now, day by day, they're coming out, like mushrooms spouting. I went to the Bible house this afternoon, and I was pleased with the amount of Bibles their versions that they have. I had to buy one because one of our Christian interrogators, you know, questioners, when I asked him what Bible have you got? He does not answer.
He was in our Quran. Have you gone? Sasa is Abdullah Yusuf Ali's, as our Bible says, MIB
never heard in my life before, I'm supposed to be in the know. Or maybe not. I think he must have said an IV, but it sounded like an IV, nipple, nipple and Id what Bible is that? There's a New International Version. I said, Oh, so I had to go and buy one. I bought one today. So now he can come forward and I can speak to him via the nav.
You see now this is how knowledge increases the guy puts a problem to you. He comes out with something new
Let's go and see this new thing. Now, where did these guys get the information from? I want the guys to come forward and ask me now about the nav and I'll tell them something about the nav. Then you want to know, where does he know about nav? So look, these guys are my friends.
You see everybody who comes to question anything difficult. He is your best friend, though you don't like it for the moment. You don't like it. A Greek philosopher who said, if you want a man to hate you, make him think.
make him think if because we don't like to think
one of our bills is smoking cigarette, please put it off, doesn't fit our meeting, please put off your cigarette.
In 18 140
Thomas Carlyle, one of the greatest thinkers of the past century, he was delivering a series of talks. And in the series of talks, he spoke about Libya, Kareem salatu salam, as the Hebrew Prophet, and his introduction to his lecture, he starts.
He says, in the history of the world, they will not again be any man ever so great humans, fellow men will call a god, never again. In other words, mankind has reached that stage of intellectual development, that he will not accept another human being as God anymore.
This is what he said.
This is what he thought but he was wrong.
You see, we have reached a stage for example, now me Look at me if I can fly like a bird in this hall, and come back and stand here again. You know, it's impossible. Nothing. No gears or anything like that. No jet propulsion, nothing. Can you see me I can fly like a bird. I can read your mind. I can tell you what you got in your pocket?
Will you accept me as a god?
Will you know why not? As a look, your father can do that. I can give life to the dead. I can fly like a bird. I can walk on the water. Believe that I'm born
is elopement Well, you're looking at you we can see so many things. You are about 66 years old? Who was 60? any case, and you won't be here for another 60? definite.
So do you know
each one of us can strangle you quite easily? If you're a nice we can live you.
So we can see men? How you do these things? I don't know. I really don't understand how you do it. But I know you're not by God. Because before 66 you are not here. And this universe is here for millions of years. You know you didn't make your father you didn't make your grandfather did you? know you're not God? Simple, easy. No matter what I do. You said, Man, you am terrified of you. If you can do these things, I know you
kill me, but you're not my God, I can see that you are eating food. Unless you don't get food in time you're going to die. If you don't have water, you'll be hydrate. I know that. So you're not my God. Simple, easy.
Then how did it happen?
He's posing the question, Thomas Keller, how did it happen that people have conferred divinity upon other human beings? He says Nay, we may rationally ask, did any set of human beings ever really think that the man they saw they standing beside them a God, the maker of this universe? Ask yourself the question that the contemporaries of Rama
did they think Rama was a god?
Because Robin, the king of Ceylon, he abducted his wife
did he was abducted is God's wife.
If he thought he was gonna deliver, abduct his wife, he stole his wife and kept over 12 years. God's life. No, he was another guy.
Beautiful Woman, Nigerian woman and this guy was a dark skinned, he loved this woman. And he played the trick and he abducted her. He was not abducting the wife of his God. simple logic. Krishna. The pan was we're having it out with him again and again.
Where they thinking they're fighting a god?
The answer is no.
If they thought Krishna was the God that never gone into battle against him, can you see
He says, you know, the Bible says in the Gospel of St. Luke, as in chapter two, verse 23. And the questions are very fun. It might be 323. She says they'll come along and say my point of order correction, Mr. D that doesn't know. It is chapter two and chapter three. I said, Look, I'm not infallible and I'm also old. You know, I can't remember all the figures. So well. Have chapter two verse 23.
It says, when he was eight days old, he was circumcised.
I'm only reading what's written there.
When he was
was eight days old, he was circumcised and named Jesus by the angel when he was in his mother's womb.
So asking who was in his mother's womb is a Jesus, who is Jesus is God and the Son of God, veritable Son of God. So how did you come from there? Just like you and me. I'm asking Please explain. In soon as a casa casa, make it easy for me how, please explain. And you watch his face.
How can you explain and he was circumcised said the Baba, it was a Bibles job. They will use surgeons those days to circumcise children, the barber did the job. This was their privilege. So a barber comes along to this table after eight days. And you know how circumcision takes place. I remember because I was eight years old when I was circumcised. So I know very vividly how things happen.
When children are eight days old, they know nothing, what's going on. But as I know how it works, imagine God being circumcised, you can imagine somebody coming in holding God and think this is my god and circumcising. You
know, did the Bible think he was a god? No. Did his teacher when he went to school did he think he was teaching a God know when the Roman soldier punched him in the stomach is his command professor who hit you? He was punching his God know, when a soldier lands him on the side with a spear Didn't he was dancing his God? No.
Sin fences. The contemporaries of the person concern the dating the man was a God, the answer is no. Then how did it happen? We are brainwashed program. Jeffrey Hunter.
You know, he acted in the film called King of kings.
And in that film, he had to play the part of going on Mount Zion, outside Jerusalem, he had to play. And while he was planning his reading, the spending for bled
for the feeling he had to go up. There were no helicopters to take him down DC so he had to go up. So he says Christian, one Christian, he said, for the first time in my life, I realized how human Jesus was.
He must have gone through the same process. And I was sweating, and dying for breath. But we imagine today the Christian imagines that he was like a spirit moving one minute here. One minute, they're like, Look, brother said, I was in the Middle East.
If I tell you in five countries in so many days, Mm hmm.
And then I was in Durban, I mean, john in Cape Town, I will find in Johannesburg, I'm going to Botswana. I'm going to Sudan. And
but, you know, I have to work hard to get these places. I'm not floating like a spirit. You see, I have to go and get the plane out to wake up in time. It's difficult. It's all difficult. But now when people tell us you know, he was there, and I saw him there. And then when I went to Cape Town, I saw him there lecturing there. So you think he was a ghost? That was a ghost but you know do that there's no ghost.
Now, Allah tala absorbs
Islam, from any type of association that he claimed to be God.
On the day of judgment,
Allah, Allah will question according to Surah majda chapter five, verse 119, and 120.
It reads, it says, and behold, Allah will say, Oh, Jesus, son of Mary, this thou say unto men worship Me and my mother as gods in derogation of God.
He will say, Jesus will say, glory be to thee. Never could I say what I had no right to say. Had I said such a thing that was, indeed have known it. Thou knows what is in my heart? Do I know not what is in time, for thou knowest in full, all that is hidden.
justification that has it Sally salon never claimed to be God. Because of that I'm able to offer to our Christian Brethren, you show me one place in any version of your Bible, where Jesus says, I'm God, I am prepared to accept it. You show me anywhere in the Bible, Jesus is worship me as I am prepared to worship Him as I don't fall for my brother. I don't know for you. I thought for myself, I put my neck on the guillotine chop it off as you like, surely, why can I make such a plain? Such an offer? Because I know there is no such thing.
If there was any doubt,
look, I love my life. We all do.
So I know there isn't such a show me one place in your book, any version of any Bible, where Jesus says I am God over he says worship me. I said I'm prepared to do that.
There isn't such a thing. There's some notes here. Let me read it. So I would like those standing
To come to the stage. Could we have a short pause? Thank you very much. Those of our brother and please
do come in allows our brother outside to take your place. Come right in. Take him on the stage. No. Yes.
Ladies find any gentleman sitting at the back, tap him on the shoulder, you know, you know what you want. You need a seat.
Those in the doorway, you may like to stay in the all night. But there are other people in the foyer who would like to come inside. So would you please come up to the stage it is the last time we are going to break to give people the chance to come up to the stage.
You need not be afraid you won't have to answer any of the questions.
last request, please come to the stage. Those gentlemen who are sitting please offer your seats to the older folk, and to the ladies
can even sit in the aisles if you do not once wish to come to the stage.
If that is all then we will be compelled to continue.
Thank you for the break, sir.
Mr. Chairman, and
leave out claiming divinity. The man Jesus Christ was so humble.
He did not want people even to call him good.
Leave or being called God. He didn't want people to call him good master. In the Gospel of St. Matthews, Chapter 19, verse 16
And behold, one came and said unto him, to Jesus, good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life
is asking question What must I do to get Jannah? heaven?
was 17. And he said unto him, why CALL US Army good? What are you calling me good for? There is none good, except one. That is God. He is the only one who deserves to be called good. Don't call me even good. But if that will enter into life means if you want to live eternal, if you want to keep the commandments.
keep the commandments means whatever was taught to you, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not kill. So whatever you were told to do, keep the commandments.
I'm asking my Christian president, that if I was the Jew
and this is the answer I got.
I'm trying to inshallah, I will not commit adultery, I will not steal I will not kill, will I enter agenda or not?
This is the Master says, if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. That's all. It
is. That is all there is read like somebody who when asked him, he said, Look, what must I do to go to China? He said, Look, you keep on praying five times a day.
If you think that he's authorized to tell you that you keep on praying five times a day.
Jesus says, keep the commandments. I said, I keep the commandments. There was no question of anybody dying for anybody's sins, keep the commandments, follow laws and commandments of God. And don't call me good. There's only one good that is God. But the Christians, you know, they are going to the extremes.
You read the literature,
or when they confront you these bargains, they will tell you, they want to corner you
into this which is either they say use the word either last night or the night before in the city hall, I was using the word either either this or that either this or that they give you an alternative. So either way you get caught. So either Jesus is God or Allah.
This is Christian literature.
They will ask us look, either Jesus is God or is a liar. Can any Muslim say he was a liar? No, so he must be God.
I'm asking is the word liar
Is it an opposite of the word God? Is it an antonym of God in any language?
The opposite word for God, is it a liar?
No, but nicely they put it in upon us and we as Muslims, we can say he was a true messenger of God. We know he would never lie. That's why I say, if he said his God, that He must be God, I'm prepared to accept it. Show me where
the Quran says he didn't make such a claim. And the Bible says the same. He never made any such claim.
Either another, either Jesus is God or a lunatic. I say when is lunacy, lunatic, and opposite of God. So, any Muslim Can you say Jesus was a lunatic? No, so you're caught. So you must say his God.
Or another either Jesus is God or an imposter.
Do this, either this or that? Why should they be? They say this man here is either black or white.
But between black and white, there are endless Shades of Grey we know that.
Why must it be He must be black must be white. This hat I'm wearing is either white or black. Can they be wearing a gray one? Or a red one? Or a pink one? Why must it be this or that?
But this is a type of sickness. You say they have level of the sickness.
So Allah says lukashenka for Allah Xena Carlo in Allahu Allah. Whosoever says that Jesus Christ, the son of Mary's God, they are making Kufa is an act of passion is a treason against Allah.
Allah and mercy that Christ said, you have any real children of Israel or Jews labuda law worship Allah
is my Lord and your Lord in whom you should be law. Whoever will associate anyone with a law back at the heart Rama Lola Jana, Allah will regenerate haram for them no mamajuana in the fire of hell will be that will in place. What is Allah mean? I mean answer and for the wrong reason we know when to help.
Surah majda chapter five, verse 75.
Now you come across these people in the flesh lunate people.
And I give you an experience of mine, we had a Reverend Dr. Morris, the head of the Presbyterian Church in Canada, he was brought over by the Department of Information, you see our government is bringing VIPs the very important people from all over the world. And they at the expense government expense and they look after them, they feed them and they take them around, show them your belville University. Is it Look at this what we have done for the colored people have you got one like this in your country? For the blacks says no, take them to Durban westville is a monumental building. So you see this, this is what we have done for the Indians. Look at it. Have you got one like that in
your country. So it takes him to the University of rural and masterpieces. Universities are not masterpieces of construction. Millions are spent our government show them around. Let's look at Soweto 1 million people we are housed. But you know it's not perfect. Look, we are not perfect. Rome was not built in a day give us a little break. You know things will come right.
Now when these guys when they go back, they will go back and telling people to look, South Africa is not as bad as what people make it out to be. And if a person can say that, our government is happy, just that is not as bad as people say.
So Reverend Morris comes along department of information they give me a ring. He was a man of religion. So he was to be brought to the masjid, the Juma Masjid Durban it's also a landmark in Durban. It's a largest mosque south of the equator. On Fridays, we got 4000 a congregation of 4000 4000 on Fridays.
It's right in the center of the city, the architecture, his mobile architecture. So they phoned me said, Look, we have Reverend Dr. Morris, and he's coming on a certain day will you be prepared to take him around and explain to him what goes on? This is a privilege for us. So I Reverend Dr. Morris, his wife and a lady from the Department of Information, they came on Juma day and I explained to them what happens and then since it was lunchtime
I said look, if you don't mind, you know I can teach you or for lunch. So he's looking at the lady of the Department of Information says we have no lunch appointment. She says no, sir. So I take them to the golden peacock is in Durban, not in Iran yet in the golden department.
So I order for biryanis you know what biryani is?
That's one of our most delicious dishes.
And you sit down and you start chatting about God and about religion. and Mrs. Morris is staring at me.
And this is what you to, you know, carry on. So I said, Madam, what do you expect us to do? You see, when two hairdressers meet, they talk about hairstyles. When the shoe makers made, they talk about shoes, when men of religion need to talk about God, naturally, but to the Reverend and suggesting a message, you know, we Muslims, we believe that Jesus Christ was one of the mightiest messengers of God. We know we believe that he was the Messiah, we believe in his miraculous birth, we believe that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission, said, We are going together. The only real point of difference between us is that we say
he's not God, and he's not his son, not the Begotten Son of God. Metaphorically, we are all his children, the good and the bad, but physically, God does not begin. So our only point of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian is that we say Jesus is not God, and you say he is God. And I said, For that, you have no authority, there is nowhere in the Bible where Jesus says, I am God, or where he says, worship me. The same thing.
I said, there is movement in the Bible, when he says that I am God Almighty, I wanted the same thing.
So when I said that,
the last phrase
is Jesus and God Almighty are one and the same thing. It tickled his memory, this is a human behavior, these are memories get tickled, you know, some word is used, which you already have something like that, in your mind, and this word, because the other one. So when I said no way, when he says, human, God Almighty are one and the same thing. So he had been reading the Bible, he is a doctor of divinity. So he said, No, there is. So what is Jesus did say, I and My Father are one.
I said yes. Yes, he did say that.
That I does Jesus. And Father means God are one.
So I'm asking him,
what is the context?
So he's staring at me.
So you know, what you quoted is the text. JOHN, Chapter 10, verse 30, that is the text.
I would like you to give me the con text, that text that goes with it before or after
staring at me.
The billion is waiting.
So he's asking me,
you know, usually it happens. It happened in the city hall, Cape Town, when I asked what is the context a preacher of the DRC he had the Bible and his army start over essay with the Bible when
you quoting a verse surely you know what you're talking about, in what sense? It was used, when you opening the book for
claiming your god the Spirit in you. So before it was out with you nice in you. Let the spirit speak now. Know the spirit deserves them. Without the book, utterly helpless by God. I tell you, you saw last night something they must. They prepare at home, make notes. They bring somebody magazine, that is all that they ask. So look, one and a half hour What were you listening? Not one question.
What Homer they did at home? They bring that here the night before same. In the city hall same they bring what they write at home, they bring it one or half. Are you listening? What are you listening? Where is this Holy Ghost? Why is it deserted you people come out with it and doesn't help you to think or to remember nothing.
But on a new watch. As soon as they put the book away.
I want you to talk to me and you see finished, you punctured. You puncture the guy, put the book down and talk.
You're a professional. This is your job. Why can't you talk and tell me what you have to offer. I don't want you to start reading things to me. encyclopedias
said Do you know the context? Sir, of course I know the context. So what is the context is asking me he's a DD
with a debt.
So I said start. john chapter 10 verse 23.
It reads, I'm reading from memory, you know, even though we don't claim it, it looks like we have got the Holy Ghost
And Jesus walked in Solomon's porch, meaning in the temple of Jerusalem, the man is alone.
You know, he has been condemning these Jews, according to the Scriptures, using vitriolic language, you generational wipers, you white separatists, you hypocrites, You wicked and adulterous generation. When you talk like that somebody's got it in for you. And the Jews are not the people who will forgive you in a hurry.
So he's alone. So this
man is walking alone. So they go up to him, then came the Jews found about him in surrounded him and said, How long does that make us to doubt?
If that be the case, tell us plainly, you know, brandishing a finger in his face, you know, wanting to start a fight. This is not asking question, actually. They want to pick up a fight. He has been condemning movies talking about that it's about not bashing US alone. fix him up. Slow down. Goodwin
is to be the case tell us plainly man, that means you talking ambiguously? Why don't you put your claim clear enough that you are the Messiah we're waiting for?
was 25. So Jesus answered them. He said, I told you
told me believe not.
The work that I do in my father's name, they be witness of me, was 26. But he believed not
he or not of my sheep with my followers, my followers, as I said unto you, 27 My sheep hear My voice in my followers, they listen to me, and I know them, and they follow me was 28 and I give unto them eternal life.
Ambition never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
neither shall any man once a man, people have accepted faith, I will see to it that the man remains in faith, neither shall any men pluck them out of my hand was 29
My father was given to me is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand,
was 28 nobody will pluck them out of my hand was 29, neither shall any men pluck them out of the
Father's hand button. I and My Father are one in this to see that once the man has accepted faith, God says that the man remains in faith. And as a prophet of God says that he remains in faith, we are one in this to see the man remains in faith is not talking about his omnipotence, his ambitions,
that you know what God can do, I can do.
He said, I cannot know nothing. That's what he said about himself. This is he's talking about in purpose. They are one.
God Almighty, but he wants to do Jesus Christ. He's on that same wavelength, he vibrates whatever God tells him to do, he does both see to it, that the man is kept in a man
as a way that he say that he is equal to God, He is God.
Or is better the same substance, same nature, same omnipotent, same power away.
But the Jews are looking for trouble. So they picked up stones again to stone him.
That's what the Bible says, because they were looking for trouble. And when you're looking for trouble, they say you get around the corner. You don't have to go very far.
So Jesus answered
See, they picked up stones again to stone him. So he said, many good works are showed you from my father, for which of those works really stone me.
So they say for a good work, we stone the not but for blasphemy COVID because that are being a man make us thyself a God, you are a human being we know and you say you are a god.
Now, this is a second allegation, the first allegation was that he's talking ambitiously not clear enough. So why don't you tell us plainly that you are our Messiah? That's one charge. Is it true or false? So the Christmas is false. Because he's not Jesus did make his claim it's all right. So he was talking, this is the fourth charge against Jesus that is talking ambiguously. Not plainly, he says a false charge. Now they make a second charge, you are claiming to be God.
Now, the Jew said the man is claimed to be God. The Christian said that he was entitled to be called God because He was God.
We want to know what does Jesus say?
See the charges made against him? let him answer. So he says,
Is it not written in your law? The Hebrew word for law is Torah, in the Old Testament, in the Old Testament, the first five books attributed to Moses.
is is is it not written in your law is Sokka
Stick is also his law, but because now the authority him is sarcastically telling us Hey, is it not written in your law? Like, you know, in my Quran I know it says, Well otaku thalassa don't say Trinity. The new Muslim you're arguing with me? That No, it could be you know some way we can justify it as a is it not written in your Quran? Allah Taku selasa.
These microphones, I'm charging you because the Quran that you have at home, unless you have a different one, to the one that we are using. Can you see? She said, is it not written in your law? I said, it is quoting he are cards.
He said he's quoting from the 82nd Psalm. In the Old Testament in the Bible, he's quoting
verse number six, where it says, I have said, God Almighty is supposed to be, he said, I have said he are Gods means all of you are God's, all of you, the Jews, all you Jews are God's. This is there in every Bible, the Bible or the Bible or the Bible, any Bible is there.
What I'm quoting, he says, Is it not written in your law? I said, he are Gods if he lets God Almighty call them Gods unto him the Word of God came in the prophets are called gods in our language man. And you find no fault with that.
This is the genius of our language. Like you have a genius in your language the Afrikaners Yeah, you know the first time I when I went to
somewhere on illustrate, I want to go to the toilet.
So I go to the toilet, it says there Dharma
Dharma in here.
So now this one here, I was learning Africans verses from the Bible in Africans. IQ EQ is the here and that is Korean halen beaten mini EQ. EQ is the Hera from the book of I am coding. I am God and there is no savior besides me, EQ EQ is the hero era. And that is Finn heyland vatan, Mini.
God, they have pilots for Gods in Cape Town.
Now you see, this is the genius of your language. You can use it for God, here it is to hear and then you also use it for gentlemen.
That's the genius of your language. So Jesus is telling them is it not written in your law that this word God is useful prophets and
reference? In the Old Testament, the Lord said unto Moses, Exodus, Exodus, chapter seven, verse one, says, See, I have made the a god to Pharaoh,
telling her that musala salam, that I have made you a God, to Pharaoh, and are on the brother shall be the Prophet.
So this is the genius of the Jewish language. They didn't mean that musallam is God. No Jew said that he was born. But the Bible says God made him a God. He is a God to Pharaoh. What it means is that you are going to Pharaoh instead of me, so when he says food sack to you, he's telling food sack to me. This is what it means. You are my representative. You are like a god. When he denies you, he's denying me when he disrespects you is disrespecting me like an ordinary policeman comes along is Mr. De Dahlia wanted
some karate my time, you know?
But you know what it implies. Other guys a puny little fellow. I know I can manhandle it.
At this age, I can manhandle them, I can do that. But if I did that, you know, who am fighting the whole government. And if I can defeat the police force here, then the army, the Navy, the Air Force, the whole country will be after me.
So this is God sends the man you deny Him, you're denying God says you are like a god like a god. But the genius of the Jewish language, they didn't say like the word like, if you look like me, I say you are me. And I'm you. I didn't say you are like me and I'm like, you didn't use that that is the genius of the language. She said, is it not written in your law? I said yeah, gotta hear. Moses is called a God
says you know what you have done.
What you have done, you are playing fast and loose with this book.
What you are doing now, when this word God is used for Moses, they put a small g
me or my any pronoun, they put a small m
small edge him or his, when they refer to Jesus, capital H is capital N
He capital M, my,
if he was described as a God, they would have put a capital G.
say this is the play fast and loose. You know, wherever it Susan, the other night, the young man that another one again came along. He says, you know, an angel told Mary, right? What is the Greek word there is agile Los Angeles means Angel.
But the disciples of john came
to see Jesus, when they came to see Jesus, the word they in Greek is a big loss. But you don't try to translate that as angels. You say, disciples, why do you do that? When the disciple of Jesus when he seen you say Angel, because he's written this is Greek is agileassets. Okay. What about the disciples of john Yalla? Salah, his disciples are also describing Greek as edgy laws. Why do you translate that as disciples?
So it is a game that is being played as weird, as you say, and God COVID is a worship Me says, you know, in the Gospel of St. JOHN, chapter one, verse one.
So what does it say? It says, In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That's the, you know, Greek,
said, Yes. I said, In the beginning was though there was the Word and the Word was with God. So what is the Greek word for with God? They're
silent. He said, he did five years Greek before he became a DD.
So what is the Greek word for God is silent. As the Greek word is yours, who just literally means God, for which you Western nations, you have a system of translation, that when it is a proper noun, you put a capital letter, when it's a common noun, you put a small letter.
So you have put a capital G for God. Right? That's your system. and the Word was God, as is what is the Greek word Therefore, God is silent as the the word there is punked. Yours don't just means a god. Why did you put another capital G day a girl should have a small g? No, a god, a godly person. That's what he's trying to say, is a godly word. Why did you give him a capital G there? Is I didn't do that. I said, No, you didn't do that. But the vested interest that you represent, what are you doing? Then I said in two Corinthians four, four.
It says that devil is the god of this world. shaitan he is the garden he is the ruler shaitan is ruling the lives of people is that the devil? Is the god of this world. The Greek word is yours. Why do you give him a small g but give him a capital G because it's the God
for Moses, why don't you give him a capital G Why do you give him a small g? Because in Greek there is no such thing as a capital G no such thing as a small g in Hebrew, no such thing as a capital G no such thing as a small g in Arabic. No such thing as a capital gym and massage thing as a small gym.
say this is the game The guys are playing.
Well, what makes him God is no, he is born without a father. He had no father, so he must have a father you must give a father
so your father is gone got
sunglasses, in masala Lisa in the law, e commerce Allah Adama is most certainly the similitude the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam, Adam Islam, hello, Robin. He created him from dust from mattala Lagoon. And he said Be and he was.
Jesus had no father, if that makes God His father, and he becomes a veritable Son of God as God, because they say he is the Begotten Son of God. So the gardens and must be like the father, who the father is an Indian, the son is an Indian. The father is a Greek son is a Greek the father is a Chinese, his son is a Chinese, natural. So he's the father is God and the son is gone.
This is not this is not so in the Bible. He's got sons by the tons, tons, tons. You can put them in the scale, tons, tons of songs, sounds exaggeration.
But I give you two references. Luke, Luke, in the New Testament, chapter three, verse 38.
In the same thing is not the same verse, they know,
says, Adam, which was the son of God is certainly Adam, which was the Son of God, Luke, chapter three was the date. Is it not the Son of God? You ask them in the Bible, that NIV Bible, he says, The one and only Son Jesus.
I said, Look, this one and only Son you're talking about
Luke says, and Adam, the Son of God, say New Testament,
how can have one and only and you have Adam the Son of God.
They had the word we got in there before
Jesus, the only begotten Son.
And we took exception to that. This is beginning is an animal act, it belongs to the lower animal functions of sex. How can you attribute such a quality to God that God got a son?
How can we get
you can create by a will but he doesn't get he doesn't think his seed and planted into other people's wives and daughters by artificial insemination or any other way. This is not this is not his way he creased by sector will.
So Adam, the Son of God, not all Genesis, the very first book of the Bible, chapter six, verse two and four. He said that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fed, and they took them to wife all that they chose. And when the sons of God sins from hot when they came in into the daughters of men and boys, children to them, they became great men of old men of renown. How many sons Vidya son since
he had them by the tongues, I'm telling you.
Exodus, second book of the Bible, chapter four, verse two,
verse 2020, sorry,
Israel is my son. God says, This is the Jewish language. You see, Israel means jacobellis Allah, Israel is my son, even my first one.
He's even my first one.
The same God in the book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verse nine, he says,
For I, God, I am a father to Israel, to the Jews, and the frame is my son,
my firstborn, and the frame is my firstborn as a How can you prove us bonds? he's earned his firstborn, he frames his firstborn.
In the book of Psalms, God speaks to David according to their book, according to the Bible.
God says to Allah salam, I will declare a decree unto thee that thou art my Son, this day, have I gotten the opportunity being today, this day? have I begotten without my son? How many sons has he got? He's got the mother tongues, in your book,
but yet they have the audacity to say, one and only Son Jesus. So what are you reading this book?
How do you account you know, I don't know how you can talk to people like that. How can you talk to people like that?
You know, that book is a simple basic language you speak. You say one or any other such as Who is this Adam is the Son of God is that is the Son of God, if flame is the Son of God, David is the Son of God. And further.
In the New Testament, we are told as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God means every Tom, Dick and Harry, if you follow the will and plan of God, you are a godly person, in the language of the Jews, you are a son of God, it means nothing more than that.
It was a metaphorical statement. See,
but there's no he was begotten. See, Adam was made by God. Jesus was forgotten.
As Paul gives a knockout to all this,
for the 13th,
self appointed apostle of Jesus, he appointed himself.
In the book of Hebrews, he wrote, he wrote the book of Hebrews, chapter seven, verses one and three, this is for this Melchizedek
Malik Sadek Salah, Melchizedek that says, King of salam, salam, King of salam, P is
king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, Malachi Siddiq.
grittier than Jesus, Jesus had a mother.
This is without father. All right, Jesus had no father. This man also got no father. Without mother. Jesus had a mother, so his superior to Jesus,
your own logic, your own reasoning. We're not producing anything from the Quran producing from your own book, that this one multiplicity is greater than Jesus according to your standards, your false standards, is greater, without father without mother.
Without descent, Jesus had a descent to such an extent that given 66 fathers and grandfathers in Fujian genealogies, descent. This is the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of Abraham, the son of David and Abraham began
to genealogies that gave him the scent how we came down from where 66
fathers and grandfathers they give him a man with no father to him. 66 fathers grandfathers,
this man, Majesty that no dissent, no genealogy.
Having neither the beginning of day is not the end of life. No beginning of days, no end of life. Jesus, Adam had a beginning and he had an end
he Salah salam, he had a beginning in the stable, and he had according to the Christians and apparent end, he died on the cross. He gave up to coast. That's what he says. The truth he said, Yes, sir. Right. He had an end. Right. He came back for a second inning. That's different. But the first inning he was not out.
This man matches, no beginning no end. I'm asking please man, who is greater? Jesus imagistic would add on one side. Luke were adamant said he had no trouble.
Or His miracles made him God.
I said, Look, man, this poor man, he's telling you. He's telling you, Matthew chapter 20, verse 18, he says, All power is given unto me is given to me is not my
chapter 12 Matthew chapter 12, verse 28, he said, I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, it God's help, I'm doing this casting out devils, then the kingdom of God is coming to you. JOHN, chapter five, verse 30, he says, I can have my own self do nothing. Nothing I can love myself. God can do everything of himself. He doesn't need anybody. He says, I can do nothing of myself. He said, as I hear, I judge whatever God tells me to do to say I say,
as I hear, I judge and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of Him that sent me Where does he say he does his own power is doing things.
Luke chapter 11, verse 20, sir, with a finger of God cast out devils,
with Allah's help, am casting out devils. Where does he say he is doing works?
The greatest miracle that Jesus performed
was, according to the Scriptures, giving life back to the dead. One of his disciples called Lazarus, he had died.
And Jesus wasn't there to help him out in his Saqqara note.
That banks he wasn't there. And when Jesus reaches there is four days late, the man is dead and buried, not buried, put in a separate room, big room, nice chamber.
cempaka, not grave.
So Jesus comes and Martha, the sister of Lazarus, she's crying, reading
john chapter 11, verse 40,
has been studying from 33, seven Jesus day for saw her weeping Martha. And the Jews also weeping, which came with her. He grown in the Spirit, He groomed he was groaning.
You cry out to God, you know, you speak you speaking words. But those words are not audible enough for the reader to hear says the guy's groaning is not good, nice talking to
mercy upon wherever you're talking. So he says, He grew up in the spirit,
and was troubled.
34 and said, Where have you laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 verse 35, Jesus wept. You can remember this, the shorter sentence in the Bible, in the whole Bible encyclopedia, the shorter sentence, somebody asked you, you can read a price one day, shorter sentence in the Bible is Jesus wept towards shorter sentence, remember that you'll win a prize one day
Then said the Jews behold how he loved him, was 37. And some of them said, Could not this man which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
Jesus therefore again, groaning in himself, groaning, groaning, he's praying to God is offering a silent prayer. So my dog My friend is
bringing back to life. But now the words are not audible to the people this is
talking about. He's groaning. He's grown. He's not grown. Come up to the grave. It was a cave cave, not a
hollow, and a stone lay upon it. Jesus said, Take away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead said unto him, Lord, but this time he's thinking he must be stinking
For he had been dead for days. Jesus says unto her,
said are not unto thee that if thou was believed, if you have a man if you have faith, how should see the glory of God, not my glory, Allah glory, if you have a man, you can still see Allah glory, Allah has power, what he can do. Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes towards heaven.
And said, Father,
now he's talking loudly, all the while he was groaning means he was silent prayer, communing with God. Now, he wants people to hear. So Father, I think that that has heard me what that groaning. He was offering your prayers now. And I thank you, you heard my prayer means now he gets the assurance and letters and go ahead, ask what you want and give it to you. It's a matter between the beloved.
And the masters.
Ask which one, you get it?
And I know and I know it says, and I knew was 42 and I knew that the heroes will always whatever I'm asking you giving me hearing the blind the lepers beginning the day, whatever I'm asking you always you hear me? Doesn't mean that he's deaf at any time, no means you're answering my prayers. Every time whatever I ask you give me I know that you will hear me always. But because of the people that stood by these people, superstitious credulous people, they might think I did it. I'm a god, giving life to the dead. For that I'm putting up a performance Homer Father, I knew that that was hurt me. And I know that that heals me always. But because of this people, this superstitious lot prejudiced
people, they might think I did it.
I want them to know I'm not doing it. It's you who's doing the words.
They may believe that God has sent me that they may believe that thou has sinned that you sent me that I am sent by you. I'm a true messenger of God. That's all. That's why I'm putting an act. All the while the groaning he's being silent prayer.
When he gets the assurance, he says Lazarus, Lazarus come out and Lazarus came out. Why? Because God had assured him go ahead and ask what you want you get it. He gave you a blank check. is not is it was given to him. He called he used it anybody.
And Peter, the greatest of the disciples of Jesus, according to Jesus, he said, I give you the keys of heaven. is on this rock Kiefer's on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. This Peter, he testifies in the book of Acts in the Bible, chapter two, verse 22. Is it Ye men of Israel, oh Jews?
hear these words Listen to this. Jesus of Nazareth. Amen. Amen approved of God among you, a man not a god,
a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs which God did by him.
Which God did by him use only using him to press the button to put on the switch. The power was not his, it came from the power station,
which God did by him in the midst of you, which you yourself also know where it is that Jesus gave life to the day, where did you live today? Did he say he gave life to the dead? No, this is given to me the all power is given unto me is not his
own lacrosse. Imagine a god crying. He cries. This is according to the Christian scriptures. He said, Li Li Lama Sebastiani
which means, My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?
He is God
this is what the Christian say. And he's crying to somebody else that you have let me down How can He is a God let himself down if he didn't want to be let down?
Look, simple logic, how can ease God and he's trying to somebody else who's or somebody else, that somebody else is real God
and His name, you know, What is his name? Allah. He's praying to Allah, that is the in the book. But the Christian is so programmed, he sees it and he doesn't see. He's hearing and he's not hearing and asking and you can ask them this Christians, this Jehovah's Witnesses, this His name is Jehovah.
He said, Look, when Jesus said li li Lama Sabatini. Does that sound like do you like Jehovah Jehovah Let me ask him
in the most critical moment of a person's life, when you can't pray for your mother in your mother
For your father of anybody in your mother tongue, he's crying to who to Jehovah.
Does this sound like to you like Jehovah Jehovah anybody?
Know You need some new treatment?
If you are hearing Jehovah Jehovah is it La la la masa as the Jews as the other Christians, Li Li Lama Sabatini does this sound like you like?
sound like a Baba, Baba spider in Hebrew?
Listen again. Li Li Lama Sebastien in Hebrew, Allah, Allah Allah Matan in Arabic,
Li Li, Allah Subhan. Allah, Allah, Allah mahtani. There is some similar, yes, is kind to Allah. And this word Allah was in this Bible here it is still here. Yeah, this Bible Scofield Bible reference Bible, in the book of Genesis, first chapter, chapter, verse one. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the word God is given a small number to give you further explanation. And in that explanation, these Reverend Dr. Schofield backed by eight DVDs. Not only that, hey, DVDs, they backed him up and they gave the explanation that God in Hebrew is L or Allah, alternatively spelled as Allah Al h LA.
So the only exception I took us about 15 years ago, I said, Look, you can spell it as you like, but my language I want you to pronounce the way I asked you to pronounce. Try, I know you can make it but try, be sincere try and make an effort. It is not Allah is Allah. Not Allah is Allah say Allah.
So when I made this so here it is. They have come very close now from e l h. Now they've got a l h. Only thing I'm saying you must pronounce it the way I asked you to pronounce Allah you can spell it, but say Allah, not LA.
You know what, in the next Scofield Bible, they took it out the word Allah taken out,
you know, amazing the games that they play, as if they are following me wherever I'm going, whenever I'm speaking. Look, I'm talking about this book. Now. That was a
new new Bible.
The ascension of Jesus, john chapter, Mark chapter 16. They have, they took it out in the author of the Revised Standard Version, they threw it out, essentially was thrown out.
Now they put it back into that one. And in the footnote, they say, in the most the most reliable manuscripts. These verses are not their most reliable, ancient manuscripts. The verses about the assumptions are not there. But they got it here.
As if most reliable, haven't got it, then this must be less reliable or less reliable.
And you passing that off as the Word of God.
This is all discovered today. I brought about this from that Bible. He's in Cape Town.
Right? So set the name of God MIT is Allah know Jehovah, what is Jehovah? You asked him, he didn't get it from us these guys. They come and knock at your doors and say we need to get this what you offer. He says in the Bible. So what is in the Bible? Jehovah in the original? He said no, no, no, there is the tetragrammaton.
So it is a tetragrammaton is a two year long, two yard long word. What is the tetragrammaton?
said why hw? Ah, no, no, no man, I want you to tell me What does tetragrammaton mean?
And he doesn't know.
You know, he's bending it around this word tetragrammaton tetragrammaton. These guys also a thumb sucking the Jehovah's Witnesses. Now, the NIV Bible. They also talk about the tetragrammaton a 14 letter word tetragrammaton. To describe a four letter word that Romans four and Gromit in his letters, instead of saying a four letter word, they say tetragrammaton as he was a new revelation came down from heaven.
He is a tantalizing you must define you.
See, they have some some reasons for not using the word.
It is tetra means for climate engineers letters for a simple word. But is the same for letter is a tetragrammaton.
And believe me in the University of Illinois in America, I'm speaking to professors and students, and somehow the subject caught up and I'm asking them, is there anybody here who knows what is a tetragrammaton? And believe me, with a single professor, not a single student in the University of Illinois, he knew what was the tetragrammaton but every Tom, Dick and Harry among the Jehovah's Witness, he knows it.
He knows it. The professors don't know you can ask anybody
I'm gonna ask your Christian friends. They don't know what it is. 14 letter word to describe a four letter word. Because when you say four letter word it conjures up in your mind you remember to an association of memories. That word for which lady Chatterley's lover was banned in South Africa one word, the four letter word. So they don't have therefore they don't have a four letter they say tetragrammaton new ID so what is the tetragrammaton? He said Why is WH these are consonants? produce a sound you can't you have to add vows to add them as you like. As you like add the vowels to produce the sound. So it becomes Jehovah Jehovah anything pronounce
Where do you get the chafer?
Where did you get the G from Jehovah? You remember I told you, g sickness, the courage a sickness? Anything j it is no j j to make it sound like Luna is a European named Jehovah.
In the book of Revelation, chapter 19, you read that
the disciple john is supposed to have seen a vision and in the vision he heard the angels in heaven singing Hallelujah, Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah. And in my previous meeting in the city hall Durban you know when a Christian came along and he interjected into something all the other Christian was
enthusiast he said you know what you're shouting
you know what is Allah?
See ya is evocative and explanation in Hebrew and Arabic Yahuwah means Oh II because the J is an invention of the Western Jehovah throw it out. The original is why ah who had the vowels become Yahuwah? Yah, is evocative exclamation who are in Arabic means he in who in Hebrew means he. So it is who are l Allah? Is? Allah Lu? Yah, yah, we begin with an exclamation. The Eastern people we start with an exclamation the Westerner he ends with an exclamation.
This is language genius of a language with
my brother Yami my mother, don't ya Allah, Allah, we start with the young. He ends with the yard exclamation.
exclamation mark. Stop. stlb stop. exclamation mark. That's his way. We start with an exclamation he ends with an exclamation. So Allah luh ya
luh luh Allahu Allahu This is what you're singing the angels in heaven a singing Allahu Allahu Allah Colajanni be who deserves worship and praise or law you're the only being who deserves praise.
Look, you do a little bit of study. This is all you will get in this book later, man. What is his name, you will get in the other booklet is the Bible God's word. You owe it to yourself to write for these books. If you haven't got them, get them, read them, study them and use them.
Because if you just read for entertainment, you lose them. What you're listening now you lose it if you don't use it.
Now, a final knockout Allah gives to this idea that any human being can ever be God. A final knockout.
You read this in Surah chapter six, verse 14.
Allah takizawa Liyan say tell them shall we take for ourselves, anybody other than Allah as our protector?
takizawa Leon, fattier samata. Well, when he is the Originator of the heavens and the earth, our Lord, our protector, which Arusha he is the Protector, he is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. Well, who are you to?
Well, are you when it is he who feeds but is not fed? That is quality. He feeds his creation, but nobody feeds him. This is called One who is not fed who doesn't eat who doesn't need food, who is not dependent
and more directly to Jesus.
In chapter five, verse 78, Allah says, malama suhag, no Mariama. ihlara soooo.
Sacrifice Jesus, the son of Mary is no more than a messenger. God Allah. Russell, many were the messengers that passed away before him.
Human they were all motto, one who said the car and his mother was a saintly woman.
His mother was a
good one. Whoo.
Whoo see deca, Karna, yaku, Lani, Tom, and they both at food.
dependent without food they would have died. Core doesn't need food is independent of all needs Karna aquilani Tom and the boat at food Zoo
Himalaya to see how we make our science clear to you how easy we are trying to make things easy for you to understand
that the person who eats food is dependent, the person who eats food, he has a call of nature, he runs to the toilet or the bush.
Anybody whether it is Moses or Jesus or Muhammad, Rama, Krishna, anybody who eats food will have a call of nature is dependent. God is independent.
how we are making things simple, easy for you to understand. Fools that we are telling you soon Manzoor and now you have another look how they have strayed away from the path.
Have a look. So Manzoor have another look. I'm asking What is he talking about? What is he trying your attention to what?
Allah is giving you weapons to fight when these guys come along and make a mistake in your head? And you allow them to do that? He's telling you some answer. Does he eat food? Yes, he says, He says, and they gave him Jesus a piece of bread, fish and honeycomb. And he took it and he had the honey and
Luke chapter 24, verse 42,
the prophet of Islam dependent, you know, the primitive man, he has far superior to the civilized cultured man.
Can you imagine today in the 20th century, people are worshipping men and monkeys, elephants and snakes, worshipping the devil, worshipping Sandra moon in America, the white man, Sun Moon moon, Hari Krishna worshipping Krishna, the Guru Maharaja worshipping Him, Swami Prabhupada worshipping Him.
The Devil Devil or Satan worshipping cult worshipping shaitan.
But the primitive man, you find this in my book, What is his name?
The aborigine of South Australia, very primitive man, in his native language, he can't speak more than 1200 words. The monkey chat is about 700 is the closest cousin to the monkey,
But in his language, he has given a name to God. She's so beautiful, so perfect, that Jesus saved him from being christianized
nobody, nobody can go and Christian eyes or you go and Hindu eyes, this Aboriginal South Australia, because he has a concept of God given to him by his primitive ancestors. And that he gives God a name. He calls him Aetna to
And that is his saving grace.
It is something that protects him from any kind of wrong concept of God, you go to him, and you tell him that you know, Jesus Christ is God. So he will ask you, is he
not humans? You see when we eat, we excrete the tail end of the elementary channel is what he calls
so he'll say easy to easy without that. You say no, this is no good.
You said Rama is God says he's not too easy without that. He said no, there's no good some silly fool might go and tell him look mama this God
is easier not to there's no there's no good
allies telling the same things that primitive man he's got no inhibitions. Look, I'm using language can you see I'm trying very hard not to use the word.
primitive man he had no inhibitions he spoke very freely. So he called a spade a spade. I can call a spade a spade because you people are hypersensitive sensitive. In the age of the hypermarkets, your
emotions are also become hypersensitive you get upset very quickly if I use the word if I use a biblical word people get upset.
The word from the Bible if I use you're gonna say D that is a 5030 follow. If I read from the Bible verses use a D that is beautiful reminded that
I don't know what to do. So
God Almighty, as he says,
In zou, Suman So, it is an advice to us. go to town with that fellow man, go to him, speak to him
You can knock him for a sixer with that,
because that's what I was telling you but he's telling me in a noble sublime language, he's telling me the same thing. There's only Suman Zhu is telling you the same thing. See, man see, can you see? Are you blind?
They voted food, court of nature.
And you understand, I'm telling you this that you may understand and look how they have deviated Can you see?
this talk of mine, it must come to an end
with a warning
with a warning from the Quran, which you have to carry on.
Allah says chapter four Surah Nisa was 171 See ya Hello kita People of the Book a lot of loopy Dini. He says, Do not go to extremes in your religion. Don't go to extremes. The Jews and the Christians are both going to extremes. The Jew says because Jesus has not got a father is illegitimate child of Mary. I won't use that other word biblical word. Three times it occurs in the Bible, that filthy dirty word. If I say you'll get shocked just now.
the Jew says is the illegitimate child of marry. The Christian says because he's got no human father his father's got
a lot of loopy didn't go to extremes in your religion. Well otaku, Allah Allah, Allah and Huck and don't say anything about Allah except the truth. In mlmrc, most certainly the Messiah, he said no Maria Ma, Jesus, the son of Mary Rasulullah is a messenger of Allah wa kalama. To who in a word proceeding from him.
Ha ha, Ilana Maria Maria hoomin, whom Missy bestowed upon Mary and his spirit proceeded from him for Amina la hora, Sula, he so believe in Allah and His Messenger, Jesus Christ, that He is the man sent by God. He's a true prophet of God, but he's not God. And it's not.
It's not the son of anybody. He was created by him.
Take this message, deliver it to Allah with questions and the day of gentlemen, have you delivered your message? That he will question you, you won't ask about Jesus, you know what he was eating?
Who was trimming his beard? That's not your business. This is not a part of our curriculum. But he will ask you Did you deliver the message? And if we can say about it, Allah to the best of my ability, which might be very little.
He won't ask you, why didn't you talk like that?
Or Manasa? Or
did you deliver the message sabarimala to the best of my ability is a machine that is open for you? Well, that's all to the best of my ability you do according to your ability. You don't have to be like that. You don't have to wish like shirtless.
Baker, you don't have to be like anybody. You'd be yourself. What little, you know, pass it on.
Thank you very much, Mr. My dear.
Brothers and sisters. Ladies and gentlemen, you will agree with me
that it isn't easy to speak for one and a half hours. This has been the pace at which brother Ahmed has been going for eight nights, missing only Sunday night.
I'm sure that all of us sitting here. Even those of us who perhaps don't agree with anything he says, because there are some people who come to the meeting prepared to disagree. Even those of us who don't agree with some of the things he said, he says we must accept that the men is well versed in the subject, which he undertakes to speak about.
We come to the close
of our evening
And I emphatic, I am emphatic with it. We come to the close of our evening of lecturing. We now ask that if there are any people who would like to put the question I repeat, anybody who would like to put the question
then you're free to come up to the microphone in front here.
And because we are a working community and it is in during the week, we would like to be as brief as possible.
If there's more than one person to put the question, we asked you all to come up to the microphone and please stand in the line.
There is not wait.
Anybody therefore who is not
Not in the line at the microphone, you must forgive me if I stop you from coming up afterwards.
When you put your questions,
I would like you to ask one question at a time. And if you've put your question you should expect an answer.
Quiet, please, you should expect an answer.
Please, then go.
Just hold it,
please then go
to the back of the line to wait your turn in case you have another question. We will not and I can assure you I will not entertain any debate.
I will not entertain any lecture from the front. And john, with all due respect to you. But if you can tell me how one asks a question with a chart, I would like to know. But just
you are free to ask a question. So those people who come up now and who are coming up, you are then accepting the fact that you're coming to ask a question. And if you don't ask a question, I'm going to stop you. And if you ask a question, which does not pertain to the lecture that was said tonight, or has done tonight, we will also stop you.
But I ask everybody, that when question time is over,
please remain behind just for the close of the evening. JOHN,
over to you.
This is just in point of correction. Allah john, please. I said put a question. If you haven't got a question, please go to the back of the line. Right. Okay. Put my question. Mustapha did that last week, as told me that if I can prove to him about the Trinity, you give me the chance Tuesday. So you're I have the thing for you. If you would like to give me the chance, as brief as possible. Mustapha Medina.
I turn to deliver a lecture. Yes, john, please. I said, you add even a Sunday morning with Mr. Medina. Yeah. Two hours in fairness to those people who may have a question, which is more pertinent, which pertains to tonight. I think in fairness, then please let somebody else take over. Would you go to the back, please? Now Mr.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. deedat, ladies and gentlemen, may I appeal that
humbly, that he would change the rules a little bit? Firstly, that one can pose the full question. Look, we have listened for one and a half hours. And I think it would only be fair if you could give us at least two and a half minutes to fully bring forward the question, Sir, may I be let me Yes. I hope you don't misquote me or misunderstand me. Right? Yes. If you are capable of coming to put the question, I'm trying to change my expression. If you're capable of coming to put the question it means that you should have listened, I trust you didn't spend the time they by preparing whatever you wish to know, I'm going to be very emphatic. And if you quote me as being unfair, that I say
accept the blame, I asked, please put the question, I'm going to insist if the man said something, and you want clarity for yourself, or for the people, you if you have the ability to change the statement into a question to change anything. I think any person who knows a little bit of the language, he can put a statement into a form for Christians. Certainly I want to do that. My question is only can I speak more than six sentences? Because you interrupted me yesterday night after the sixth sentence. So you can't understand the question and this unless you listen to the whole, and it might take I mean, it's quite soon, the whole invasion 4.11 correction, please, for
you, America last night, and on the night before or some evening, you say I cannot see how all the Muslims can sit still, without asking a question without doubt. In other words, you're thinking for them. Now you're under now you're giving the impression that Mr. data will not understand you. If you cannot put a text, please. I've read now 30 minutes. Could you put the question see if he knows the text, okay, if you give me three minutes, Mr. leader said that if Jesus would have claimed to be God, he would immediately bow down, even be cut off his head. Now for me the crucial question is not whether somebody claims to be God, but whether God
appoints him and authorizes him to be God. married to you what God says, Jesus Christ, please that is the question and I would like to ask what Mr. deedat thinks to that.
God says about Jesus Christ.
About the sun, he says that is in Hebrews, chapter one, verse eight, if you want to read your throne, oh, God will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the center of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and tainted wickedness. Therefore, God, your God has set you above your companions, by a 19 year old with the oil of joy. He also says in the beginning, oh Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens or the work of your hands, they will perish. But you remain, they will all wear out like a garment, you will roll them up like a robe like a garment will be changed, but remain the same. And you will never end. Now my question is, this is clearly stated
about Jesus Christ about this son right now. How can Mr. deedat claim that now before Jesus was not authorized, as if all the others come up and me say, you know, out of tolerance, I didn't wish anybody here, even my brethren would cut me up if they feel that I've cut you up. But I say if a lecture is given, and we state what the conditions are, I asked you please to accept and I said, those people who are coming up now, other than accepting those terms, we've allowed it with you, in case you think I'm being unfair with the others, please formulate a question, if you don't mind. Sorry, that was a question. Yes. But my question is, Mr. deedat, how can this statement say anything
else then that Jesus is God? I think that is it.
Mr. Chairman, our brother doesn't understand English, or my English at that. I said, There is not a single unequivocal statement with Jesus's I am God or where he says worship me. You quoted a lengthy text, and there's not one word about Jesus, Jesus. Did Jesus speak that God speaks about Jesus?
Look, Who told you that God spoke that it's all in Scripture, this is Hebrew, scripture. Hebrew was written by Paul, I am asking, What did Jesus say? He says, I cannot my own self do nothing. That's not the point. He says what God says about you. He says, You say he says, My father is greater than I. He says, My father is greater than all right, where does he say I am equal to the Father?
I am the Father. Father. Where does he say? Look, we have a
question, please. I think you've had your chance. But it was not answered. I'm sorry. I'm not aware that is your opinion. You're entitled to a die?
Yeah, the study that I read my question to you.
The question is, can Jesus be an ordinary man, or prophet? If he is stated, to be faultless, and without sin?
We believe that all the prophets are faultless, and all the prophets are sinless. That is our belief,
So that doesn't make him anywhere God.
See, we say person, Jesus, Jesus God, if the man is faultless man is for this man.
Peter says, He says, the men of Israel hear these words Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God, not a god approved, Oh, God. He's a man. He's a he's a mighty messenger of God. He is a prophet of God. He's the Messiah. He's a great miracle worker, but he's not bad. And he's saying that himself. He said, I can have my own self do nothing. God can do everything of himself. Whatever God wants to do, he can do but Jesus is limited. He can't. He said of that day. No, what no man, no, not the angels, not a son. But the Father in Heaven is nice. Knowledge is not like God in His power is not like God. He's crying. Some to somebody who is God for help, is falling on his face in his praying
is crying on the cross. Li Li is himself his ally. You see, God Himself is crying to himself. He seems like a drama within films. I said, Jesus is not film acting. He's crying to God, and the one is crying to the Father in heaven. He is the real God. No, Jesus, he told us Come, I'll teach you how to pray, say pray like this, who our Father in heaven, yours and mine, including Judas. Because Judas was in the group is the father Hall. Where did he say God is his exclusive father, that he got him way?
No, these are all our teaching of the Church, Jesus Christ never said. On the contrary, is proving that varies by one God and He is subservient to God. He said, All power is given to me is not mine. Why call me good? There is none good, but except one that is God. Where does he say he is that God? That is what I was asking. Show me and I am prepared to accept. Follow your church. Next question, please.
Thank you, sir. May I have more than one question? If I go back? Yes, yes.
Mr. De that if you quote x 222, where Peter says that Jesus did by the by God's power, the miracles, which is right, then why would you not accept what Peter says in later in the book of Acts, particularly for verse 12? About under no other name? Is anyone saved except by Jesus?
You're not trying to prove by that, that Jesus is God, I hope?
No, I'm trying to prove that they didn't take one source, then why not? I would be prepared to accept that this Luke is talking to the Jews, he men of Israel, you Jews, because Jesus came for the Jews. And in his time, Jesus's time, there was no other way. It was identical to in the time of Moses, in the time of Moses, we said Moses was the way to God, the children of Israel, they thought it through the golden calf. God didn't like it. He said, Look, this is what I want. You have to go through Moses, whatever Moses tells you about God, you have to accept in the time of David David was the way to call in the time of Solomon, Solomon was the way to God, in the time of Jesus, Jesus was
the way to call in the time of Muhammad, he is the way to God and for mankind for eternity. So in every dispensation, the man of God is the firstborn of God, he is a representative of God. And as such, you must listen to him. That's what it means. So I accept that, that the people, the Jews, they had no other way, because there was no Mohammed there.
If they wanted to follow Jesus, they must listen to Now Peter, he's represented Peter says, Look, this is what Jesus wanted you to believe that he's your Messiah. Follow him. Follow him. Salvation is yours.
I must admit that you know the scriptures very well, but you don't understand them.
Mr. de la.
I don't proclaim to, to answer your questions. But I would like you to explain to question I'd like you to explain to issues you know, to me, and that is the first one. When Peter walked on the water to Jesus.
Then he is sunk into the water, Jesus deep down to help him. And then when I both got into the both according to the Bible, it says that they worship Him in categorical English, you on previous lectures, recently said and explained it away.
exclaimed, oh, My Lord and my God, in a way of
getting a fright. But in a case like that, I'm sure that Jesus would have rebuked him now in the law, the commandments don't like the name of God in vain, because that would be clearly taking called Simon fine, would you? Can you just explain it to me?
There was nothing
about Peter, Peter worshipping Jesus, you see this worship this word worship, you open your new Bible, now NIV Bible, you'll find a different word for worship, you will open the RSP you find a different word for worship. You see?
What, what are the alternative? What are the synonyms used for worship?
And everyone is worship.
Right now lie to the Jew, if the Jew worshiped Jesus. You see, that means all the disciples were worshipping Him.
If Peter worshipped Him, then all the other disciples likewise must be worshiping Him because Peter was the leader of the disciples. But we find nowhere the disciples ever prostrating before Jesus at any time, the 11 or the 12, worshiping Him worshipping means that you are a god, you see this word worship you as the Roman Catholic. So they have a good knowledge of the Scriptures. You know, they claim an unbroken chain of herbs from First Peter to today. Now you ask them, How many types of wishes are they? And they will tell you there are three different types of worship.
Then, you say about your sweetheart your fiance's I worship. But when you say you worship her, you mean you love her extremely, you know beyond measure, but you're not taking this.
Look, this is the expression we use commonly says, You worshiping the guy you this is money, my god woman, my guides is the Frenchman. We say you are worshipping money, you're worshipping women. But you don't say, money is my God. You don't say woman is my God, but you use the word worship. Worship is an extreme form of love. He must have been very much humiliated. And you know, in lovingness, he must have embraced them.
which, according to your King James version has used the word worship. But now if he was worshiped as God,
that would be something similar. He is our God, then he must say, so then he said, Look, they were all worshiping him. But at no time do we hear that they ever worshipped him as the people instead of worshiping God, he's telling you can worship God, the Father in heaven, He is the only God He is the real God. No time Did he say I am God worship me. Really? at any time. If he said, Look, I am God.
Yes, yes. Yes, you can answer that. If he said, No, no, if he said, I am God. This is a claim I made, I think.
No good, no good. You say that. I made a claim. Very simple, straightforward. If you can show me in your Bible, any version with Jesus's I am God, or where he says, worship me.
Simple English mrsp, where he says, I am God. I said, I am prepared to accept Him as God. If he says, worship Me and repeat to worship him, he must say, not Peter, not James, not Paul. He must say I am God, he must say worship me, because if he is God, my salvation depends upon that. And I don't want to go to hell. I want to follow him. Now that is just my Interjection. That's the very point of issuing. Now you are describing mannerisms of worshiping with a Bible doesn't elaborate on it, Oh, Jesus. But the fact remains is, the disciples worshipped him in the boat, and he allowed me to change Jesus, Jesus showed you how to worship. In the garden of Gethsemane, if you remember, he
said, he went a little further and fell on his face and pray to God. Lindsey is a good example. You are reading and words into the Bible, you find that was in materials. And he went a little further, the fact that he dropped down on his price and so on. So that makes nice. So the Jews, the Jewish, how did the Jews worship? Look, if you want to know the Muslims, how they worship, you go to the mosque, go to the mosque and see how they worship. You see,
the reception versus they go into Semyon position, they get up, they go down to the ground, touching the forest onto the earth. This is how the Muslims worship, right? So if I said, Look, this Chairman are the people who should be that meaning that the man they loved him with exceeding love. Right? That, but now using worship. Now, the if the people have a wrong idea, this look, what did they do? Did they make evolution income? And did they fall down? prostrate before Mr. D, that he says no. So what do you mean they worshipped him? No, no, oh, man, you know, they were gone mad after him. That's quite a different thing. You see, now you are using your word, and you are explaining
something else figuratively. What you're doing? No, I'm not doing that Jesus Christ, and all the prophets. They had a form of worship the Jews, which you're not following, you don't know. Look. And Abraham fell on his face and pray to God.
And Moses and Aaron fell on the faces and pray to God, and Joshua fell on his face and pray to God, and Jesus fell on his face and pray to God, no, everybody falling on the faces and praying, what is this? This is the way you worship God, fall on your face and pray. The Pope, wherever he goes, he kisses the ground, he makes the prescription as the Muslim does see his maybe he is communing with the soil or what I don't know. But he's being exactly as a Muslim, does he then you might say he's worshiping the ground. He goes to Nigeria, he worships the ground. He goes to Poland, he worship the ground. No, he's not worshipping there. Is he showing some kind of humility, respect? Maybe. But
now, Moses, this is how he did it. Jesus did Abraham did it. Joshua did it. But you don't do it. So you have your own idea about worship?
Could we was running out of time brothers? Could we have
as we are standing here now, as we're standing here? Now, could you put a question in I will include user? Could we in the question per person? Right. Could you speak into the microphone, otherwise, they can't hear you?
I believe that Mr. JIRA is well schooled, like the previous gentleman said, and understand that is as great intellect right now. Is that the question? No, not yet.
Because I would have said yes, I admire him for his courage, as well as his knowledge. But there's one thing I
am quite disappointed about Mr. DITA. Could you could you put in a question? Yeah, it came down to me explain this one might solve the other people's problems. Some people even have the Muslims feeling I'm on favor stop you but let me put it to you this way.
If you want to have a lecture to the people call them together and say this man is cool the people, we ask, could you ask a point which is ticklish, let him regal audit and explain to the audience or get caught. But please do not give another lecture, I'm not giving a lecture. This, this is leading up to the lecture. I didn't prepare myself to, to, to get them in down as such. All right. My question is, that I want to know, how Mr. g that interpret, understands and interpolate all kinds of context of the Bible.
For instance, Jesus,
in the book of
the father and I, or I and the Father are one out as he explained that, because if I am, Mr. Jonathan as I, I can't be my father, and I cannot make a statement claiming to be that my father is Mr. Jonathan, if it is your name, could I say, you must have listened attentively because you are interested, but so was I. I'm open to correction. But I think Mr. Dida explained it the very thing where he says, Me and My Father are One MRI brothers. Did he not explain that? Mr. Odd, Mr. Chairman? No, no answer this the question. Thank you very much as
allow me to, you see,
like this gentleman that was here before me, Mr. G, that was interpolating things like, for instance,
something you've asked a question you can answer you can also understand the question.
I did explain, I think
that this oneness
that Jesus was talking about, was in its context, verses 2829 30. That is the context, that no man can pluck them out of my hand 28 no man can pluck them out of my father's hand was 29. I am a father of one. That is the context. And I feel that any reasonable person could see that but since the Christian has an idea that this oneness implies, you know, getting into a sausage like one sausage one piece, like God Almighty, told Adam and Eve, that the twain shall be one flesh, like a sausage, they were not they were still two separate persons. Now, this same john,
the one that we have quoted john chapter 10, verse 30, in john chapter 17, verse 2222, he explains what oneness is. He says, that they all may be one, when one, or maybe one as Tao, Father art in Me, and I in V,
that they also may be one in us, who the disciples among them, the traitor, Judas, among them, Peter, who cursed abusing for him among the 10, who left him in the lurch when he was most in need. All these the Father, the Son, and all these 12, maybe one that they all may be, also may be one in us, I in them, and Tao in me, and that they may be made perfect in one.
I'm only quoting St. JOHN. So in other words, all the 12 disciples and Jesus and God made in a one sausage. Is that what that oneness implies? Or are you putting a mincer? And taking them out as a one sausage? What is this oneness? It is a oneness in purpose. You see the same one as the GLS explained in john 1030, same oneness, Peter, and Judas and the Doubting Thomas, everybody, all with one with God, one person's eye in you, and you and me and they in as what is this sausage?
So if you understand it like a sausage and I have no answer, but this is no, this is not that one sausage business is talking about is talking about the all r1 in purpose to do the windland plan of God, that oneness, there is no other oneness is one with God, meaning whatever God wants him to do, he's doing he's vibrating on the same wavelength as God, that is oneness. Mercy becomes God or God becomes man Jesus. Thank you. Next question, please.
Mr. Gaeta, I would like to ask you, this
is my second time to
come closer to the microphone. Okay. I would like you have given us a definition of Allah. And john chapter one, the word God, the three the various words. I would like to ask you the questions tonight is that how can you separate deity from deity when the Bible says that in the beginning God which means you never
means in this world tonight, you mentioned Li, you mentioned Allah. You mentioned the Greek words for God in the Greek word, but you never mentioned Elohim when it is in a plural form, with a masculine ending, can you just explain to me, how do you divorce deity from deity? Thank you.
The problem is
that the Westerner is reading an Eastern book. The Bible is an Eastern book, full of metaphors and similes. And the very first people who came in touch with this book with the Greeks and the Romans.
Now the Greeks and the Romans, they had their men Gods beyond counting,
you know them, Jupiter, the God of heaven, Pluto, the God of hell, Vulcan, the god of fire, Neptune, the God of the sea, Mars, the god of war. And Jesus was the father of all these gods with his many ways in many children. This was Greek mythology. But among such a people goes a new religion, new idea about the new Son of God born in Palestine, Jesus Christ. So what was metaphorical to the Jews became literal to the Greek. And they became the pioneers of that message to your forefathers, to the Westerner, as well as to you know, Indians, colored Africans, or the white men he inherited from the Greeks and the Romans, and in turn, he gave that theology to you. Now, in Elohim,
if I went on to explain, l means God in Hebrew, Allah means God in Hebrew ello m, also means God in Hebrew, and you say it's plural. And that's very correct. It is very correct that it is in the plural, but you see the Hebrews, as well as the Arabs,
both Semites, Semitic languages, and they both have two types of plurals in the language. There is a plural of respect, and there is a pool of numbers. In every Eastern language, including my own, we have two types of plurals plural of numbers and plural of respect.
So this in your as the Jew is his book, he says, When you say to him, are you think of Jehovah Moses, and who else
is only God? But so he says, in
respect to the Quran, say,
in the Quran, we read in
masala Sakura, Allahu Allah have his own, that it is for us as to send down the revelation and it is for us to protect it. Now who is this as, as the Muslims? Muhammad, Holy Ghost, gibreel and Allah? Who is this as is Allah? As he said, this is a brutal of respect, and no Arab Christian has ever asked a Muslim in this 1400 years. Who is this as in the Quran? When the Quran says Allah who Allahu Ahad say he's got the one and only and that is in, in, we have created the heavens and the earth. And we have done this and we who is this way is no, this way is a rule of respect in our language. This is a pool of respect in Hebrew.
JOHN, next question, please. So my dad,
my question that I want to put you I've noticed that you so fair to the Hebrews, to the Jews, actually, and the Jews is just as ignorant as Mr. Amati that this is my scripture
to us. Listen, Mr. Medina. So what do you say to this foreign to us, a child is born, and to us a son is given, and the government of B upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. Now this prophet Isaiah, you know, the prophet Isaiah, and this one, did he talk about his Jesus? Now why did he use the word and he saw because the Almighty God,
And he shall be called the Almighty God.
I want to know who called him the Almighty God. You have 27 books, in the New Testament, in the 27 books, who called him Jesus, the Almighty God.
Let let john Isaiah the prophet,
he shall be called Yeah, this was written 600 years before Jesus was born. Yeah. So when you say he shall be called, then somebody must call him so.
When the seven books in the Talmud, 27 books of the New Testament, there is no way it is called the Almighty God. There is no what is called a manual you see emanuelle
means God with us.
Now this is a quality of a person. And that quality of a person when he displays like li li means my God. You talk about Jesus, I'm talking about Old Testament Li in the Old Testament in the first book of Genesis 60 times the word Li is used. Li means my god who said fish Li means my god is the name of a priest. Li
Li Eazy E Li.
You see, now you're pronouncing like a European, I'm pronouncing like a Jew, because because I'm nearer to the Jew.
I'm nearer to the Jew in my language, Arabic and Hebrew, a sister languages. So I say Li You say le I said, Okay.
That's why I said you just as ignorant as a Hebrew. But next question, please.
Right. Next question. Mr. reader in your booklet that was distributed tonight. Please sorry, that is relevant to the to the lake to the lake. Yes. Oh, yes, very much. So, that was frequent for the very reason as you can see in the introduction to our that Jesus is not God, Am I not right? Now you stay there that Jesus can it cannot be called God because is a racial God. He was a tribal Jew.
He did not say that in his lecture. I'm sorry. That is?
topic. No, I asked about this lecture. Please. Can I can mention that in his lecture tonight? Can I appeal that you can you can see that separate guys, as did immediately mentioned that in his lecture tonight. Did he look mysterious? In his lecture to prepare his lecture before tonight or not? No, I say Did he mention it in his lecture tonight? He did not? Did
he prepare it? No, I'm sorry. No. Next question, please.
I'm not going to give you a question. I am sorry. I will say anything to the lecture. What do you say tonight? Thank you The next question. Please don't I'm not gonna allow another question. I'm sorry, I thought was done. Next question, please. I'm sorry. Next question. Please. Sorry, can Can I please appeal to it to Mr. D? That No, I will tell Mr. de la Rosa to sit still because I'm in the chair here. The next question, please. Because you seem to want to work up the emotions.
concerning Jesus being called the Son of God and the scriptures that you went through this evening, tons of sons in Mark chapter 14 and verse 60. And I appreciate you knowing our scripture. Verse 60, and following. They that's Jesus standing before the council, in his judgment.
They asked him if he was the son of God. And he said, You say that I am. And they asked him further. And he says, in essence in the in his language, Yes, I am. Then the high priests began to terrorist clothing and accused him of blasphemy. So what further witness do we need? So Didn't he take his claim, at that point to be the Son of God is something more than just saying I'm one like everybody else because of the reaction of the high priests.
If you remember that trial, that midnight trial,
referring to before the trial, the chairman of the Sanhedrin,
he had already passed the verdict. And the verdict was, it is expedient that one men die for the nation. So they were intent by hook or by crook to do away with a man, because this man was a danger, to see just about 24 hours before he had marched into Jerusalem. He had upset the money changers tables, he had ripped the people in the temple.
Now, this young man, if things go out of hand, there will be a danger. So he said, it is expedient not it is right or wrong, it is good or bad. It is expedient that this one man should be put away. So they had that midnight trial, and you read the trial. They brought false witnesses against him,
one after another and they couldn't tell you the evidence, if you remember, the content, the evidence. So Jesus sees the fact that this trial was so he says, I speak openly to the world I ever thought in the temple and in the synagogue with the Jews always gather and in secret Have I said nothing? In other words, I would never say anything in secret, which I was not prepared to say in public. No secret doctrines with him. So you can bring hundreds of witnesses to testify. Why is it that you are getting false witnesses and even false witnesses cantelli.
Now, the argument he put forth was so potent, they have no witnesses.
So the officer standing by slapped him in the face to shut him up the third degree, remember, so Jesus says if I have spoken even before
witness of the evil but he went Weiss mitres. Tell me what you're hitting me for. Right? So you can see from the word go, the whole thing is a fast
hook or by crook, they want to condemn the man, and innocent expression like Son of God. Look, Jesus is telling you in john, Chapter 10, is it not written in your law? I said, Ye are gods. Look, this is son of God. I said, He's got them by the tents. But people are called gods and you in your language, you're not finding fault with that. In other words, this is the genius of our language. When we talk like that, we don't mean literally. See, so now since they were looking for trouble, he said, Ah, the Son of God means a righteous man. Remember, on the cross, when he cried out, the centurion, what did he say? He said, Here is the Son of God. The other gospel it says, What did he
say? He said, this is the son of this is the Son of God. That one says, This is the righteous man. So righteous man and Son of God are used synonymously by two writers of the of the New Testament, the same expression, one says, He is the Son of God. And this same man is supposed to have said, He's the righteous man. So in other words, are you a righteous person, all the Jews, the rightful people, you know, the prophets are called gods and the sons of God, he are gods. And all of you are the children of the Most High in the censuses I am. But now, since a guy was looking for trouble, isn't it? What proof do we need more, because there was no way of convicting him any other way. So
he starts performing.
But you note what he did. As soon as the same people go to Pilate, they change the charge, about the Christ, the Son of the living God. He said, I am a Delta Christ, He is the Christ, son means the righteous person of the living God, he says, but the same expression, Christ when the tool pilot is claiming to be Christ, a king, here, this is he's claiming Christ a god.
So you can see on the very face of it, that this is hook or by crook, they want to do away with the man because they didn't like
Thank you for your answer. Not sure. I'm not going to say anything. I was thinking about saying something naughty, but I'm not going to do that. Thank you very much for many things.
Chairman, Mr. Chairman,
I would like to express myself, you know, clearly, that I, you know, glad to be here tonight, you know, to listen to you, and about what was going on. He said, I do agree that they are tons of sons of God.
And the Bible say that all those who received him become sons of God. But according to the what we are talking about this tonight, that I want to ask you, that the Bible says,
that great is the mystery of the Godhead.
That God is manifest in the flesh justified the spirits,
COI into spirituality, Gentiles belief onto the world and receive into glory. I would like to explain.
This is our friend Paul talking it yet. This is Paul.
When I asked the Christian, who are you following? Who is your master? You said Jesus.
I said, What does Jesus say? Look alone admin of the Jew comes to Jesus. Mark chapter 12, verse 29.
And it says, Master, what commandment is the first of all, look simple language they're talking.
What commandment is the first of all, the most important thing in faith? What is it? In Jesus answers and says unto him, in the Hebrew language,
Shama is really a denial of
Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one could you remain seated, please, brothers, we're going to end very soon please.
So he repeats word for word, what was given by Moses 1300 years before without the change of a dot?
Why should a learned man of the Jew, go to Jesus He is described as a scribe means a learned man, he goes to Jesus, and respectful is a rabbi in the Hebrew language is a rabbi, Master, teacher, bishop.
What commandment is the first of all, why should a learned man go to another liberal man? And ask the simplest of questions which any Jewish child could have answered 2000 years ago?
It's a problem. You see, like a You are a mathematician. You go to Einstein, the master mathematician, and you ask him, what is two plus two? Does it make sense? No, unless he has gone off somewhere fundamentally in his calculations. So you're trying to trace the tension say, wait a minute, Einstein, I respect you. You're a great man. But what is two plus two sir? Not that he doesn't know what is two plus two. So this learned men asking
Jesus, what command was the first of all? Why did he ask him in the first place? Number two, the reply that he gave.
This was 1300 years old.
Why these repeat right? In the safer there are three that we witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one, that's a real answer that he should have given according to Christian, Christian Adams answer the of the first commandment is, if I asked any learned Christian, what is the first commandment? Oh, you can rattle it off. The first is here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. But if I asked you, what is your first commandment? Not what is the first commandment? What is yours?
Your personal anybody would be to see what I mean is the importance that you ought to give to the first commandment, what are you giving?
Because you when you were born, if you were born a Christian, you were baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Am I right?
If you are a Trinitarian?
Christian, you're not born in the titles? No, no. Are you a Trinitarian? You believe in us? No, I believe in one God.
You are closer to us. I believe in one God, right. That's why the Bible says it's a greatest mystery of the god need that God is no mystery. No, no, you say there is no mystery is the look, God says. In the Bible, we are told God is not the author of confusion.
Right? So the confusion that you have, you know, look, among the whites of South Africa, there are 1000 different sects and denominations. 1000 Do you know that there are 3000 among the blacks of South Africa? 3000 differences in denominations? Who is the author of them God?
Is God you know, God is not the author. So we said, Look, there is no mystery God Almighty from the very beginning. He says, I am God, the one and only God. You through Moses is a sham is right.
Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one Jesus is here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one Muhammad says, who will say he's got the one and only there is no mystery about it. The mystery is the creation of the church. If you are not a Trinitarian,
if you don't believe that Jesus is God, whether you're born again or not born again, you are very close to us. You see, you have taken a step in the right direction towards Islam.
Well, as I said, that I believe in one God, and as far as I could go to Scripture, there is a God is manifest in the flesh. Now, again, immediately you believe in three gods, you say, No, I don't agree with you see, when you say He manifests in the flesh,
meaning that God came down to earth God incarnate. He is God incarnate. You believe that? That?
That he came into flesh that when God took human form exactly, you he that means he incarnated, not reincarnation, you say reincarnation means you're gonna die and your soul might go into a dog or a pig or into another human being? No, that is reincarnation, we are not talking about that incarnate means God taking human form. The Hindu says Rama to God to human form in drama. They say, God took human form in Krishna, the Christian says God to human form in Christ. So if you believe that God came down to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ, then the wise that was heard from heaven,
whose voice was that was it God's? Because he's already come down, he's taken human form. He was in his mother's womb for nine months.
The Bible says, so when he was eight days old, he was circumcised and named Jesus by the angel when he was in his mother's womb, who was in his mother's womb. This God incarnate, God came down and he was living in his mother's womb for nine months. I'm asking how did he pull the strings to run his universe, from his mother's string from his mother's womb?
And then helpless little creature, like what you and I imagine, the Almighty God is that the form he took with all the food in the muck, made his Mother India for 40 days?
Is that the same God who came down to us from heaven? Please, my dear brother, you see, though you say, God is one in your mind, you got three
three minds. Thank you very much. Thank you, brothers and sisters in Islam, please, we will not belong me say that. There's a I've got to clear some of you may have taken offense at
the stopping of the of the speaker the questioner before, but if you have followed the lectures, then you would have found in the at least three evenings and every evening, he tried to take the stage or the platform to give a lecture or a counter lecture or sermon. And my standards were quite clear, and I felt very bad because I didn't want to stop him. I wanted him to put the question to me
Difficulty may be less than my department. Then I would like to say that I joined the firm as a salesman in 1965.
I trust you can calculate and seize 19 years ago.
I then went to do business with a Christian friend of mine.
And the business that I'm in your age, Nick's birthday is important.
I'm tempted to say that he was 19 next birthday, but I won't go further with it. But while he was in his sitting room, he was in the kitchen, over into the bathroom. And on his days, he was a very churchy man. There was a book about that thick, I'm speaking of 19 years ago, how to present the gospel to Muslims.
19 years ago.
Last night, we had people quoting, very doubtful books, trying to mislead the people
on the parade, when I went on a Friday for Juma, I had my face on walk into my car. And suddenly the person preaching they saw me coming is this way I saw it, and he changed this topic. And he said, You don't have to pray for fast for 30 days. You don't have to perform Salah five times per day. You don't have to waste your money to go overseas to travel. You just got to accept Jesus name, it is very tempting to some people.
So you want to know, what is the onslaught? And I was asked to mention something. And at one stage, I decided no, because maybe it gives undue importance. But there was a question who was not here tonight. And he followed us very, very closely each night. And every night he came to put the question, and every night, he had to laugh at himself. But that is the very man
with running a tent in Mitchell's plane
for preaching the gospel. And he's got Arabic inscriptions on the tin. While he's entitled to it. Anybody can write Arabic. But you know that there are so many of our brothers and sisters, who would fall just for that. Why I'm saying this is what is the aim of this? What did we gain from this series of talks?
What what Mr. D does for you when he goes back? What did I achieve? In no ways? Was it the conversion campaign, the people who came here tonight with respect to them, I don't think you can convert them that was not the aim, I get a message I get is that we have found in Mr. Dida, a person to champion our cause we will we are a minority group. We've always been in this country. But I want to I would like to see in my heart, that the message we got from you that we've got the courage to stand up, and we no longer have to feel as be the underdogs. But I think the message which comes through very loud and clear
the message which comes through very loud and clear brothers, that these crowns which was sold over the evenings, they were not sold for nothing. The message is that you and I have to go and read. We've got to go and prepay. You don't have to read the Bible, I think is being made easy by the tapes, by the videos and by the booklets does your job has been done for you study it, use it and see that your children can use it. But the Quran that you've been given you gotta study, you got to study all the faces of it. And I would like to end by asking Allah subhana wa Taala that the series of lectures amongst all the other good things that are being done by Muslims in the cave, my sink
into our hearts, that we can stand firm and unite I will ask that Allah subhanho wa Taala must give Mr. Dida
lots of Baraka, lots of humor inshallah for what he has done for us, and I would like to believe that we don't need him here in the cape again because I feel that he would have lived sufficient behind is most welcome at all times. It's not that we have got to go out and fight people. We don't want to go and talk to everybody unduly but when people come to us that we've got the answers ready. We need not fight with him. We need an argue we can do it in a nice manner. I asked him to make offers
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