Muslim View on Christianity

Adnan Rashid


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hamdulillah was allowed to cinema was three level earlier so happy woman, whatever but our brother Nan Rashid, most of you who work in Delhi know him hamdulillah international lecture from the UK, who specializes in Muslim history in Islamic numismatics, which I found very interesting and I shall get a course at them on that because I've never actually studied in detail about that, Mashallah. He got his BA in honors from College, University of London and completed his master's and the School of Oriental and African Studies. So as a University of London, he is currently pursuing his further studies in history in London, he is studied hygiene sciences and holds a jazz at certificates in the

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field. He has also debated high profile Christians throughout the origins and appears occasionally on major media outlets, such as BBC, BBC, Asian network, Islam, General, ITV South Africa, and others. An average has traveled around the world that hamdulillah think about the history tours to a number of Islamic monuments. He's an avid book collector, like myself, Mashallah. And I think more and more students acknowledge and visit a ship I've always How can I win either the knights and Michelle you can see the books he had. And I asked him I said, Michelle, this is your library from Egypt chef. He said, No, no, no, he said, I can't bring my my library media this 1010 rooms he said

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10 rooms all together. He said, I just bought these here because I said he said I can't live without books of Allah. There's also they have been the scholars, they are all big book collectors and big lovers and Allah. Unfortunately, I think our devices today have kind of ruin that, that passion. mela give it back to us. aerobie also hamdulillah.

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He is also writes poetry in Urdu language. And occasionally any my other poets like miracle lab in Africa, is deeply fascinated with the legacies of men such as Shah Wali, and to be so fun He is currently resides in London with his family, and zelophehad. And we know from his experience, he has a lot of experience when it comes to getting that was the Christians. And that's why it's the hub Academy. We invite him tonight. This month, as all of you have seen we have this month is focusing on Christianity. And this year 2021 is the first time that we've been doing

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programs in English. I've been a lot of programs in Arabic In the past, but it's the first time that we're doing programs in the English language. And hamdullah we started in January and February with myself and our brother shut up there him green, and this month with the shift and then Rashid and also myself, I have a lecture on Christianity, the end of the month in channel, Tana. So tonight we're going to be covering four main topics about what a Muslim believes about Christianity and Muslim belief in Christianity. And it's actually much more important than we might think. Because many times when we sit with Christians, we found even though

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our belief system goes in depth when it comes to ease and it comes to our love for Isa Ali Salaam, but many of them don't know that we believe in Him Subhanallah that's that's an he shows you the ignorance of many of them. And it's I don't blame them. I blame ourselves when I relay the message as we should so panela and the fact that we have such a strong love and always when I speak to Christians, and I tell them you know the story of Maryam Mary and the Quran items of Isa, a lot of them are shocked. So I'm going to cover four topics tonight the Muslim view on the Bible, and Trinity versus to heat and salvation by the cross versus God's mercy and the Prophet Muhammad

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sallallahu alayhi wasallam for sold in the Bible. So without any further ado, inshallah won't take any more time, Alicia and inshallah, take it away, inshallah datalogging. Thank you so much. God bless you when writing to that important

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event. I am honored and privileged to serve in this noble cause. I have been having dialogues with Christians and people from the Christian background, from different denominations for the last nearly 12 years, if not more and hamdulillah it's been a very pleasant journey. We met many amazing Christian researchers, scholars, activists, who are doing their best to serve their communities, in their own way. And our job as Muslims is to convey the message. And this is exactly what Allah taught us through the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet Allah.

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So Allah tells us how to be like Japan,

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in the Quran,

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Allah civilian up because

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our job is

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called to the way of your ward with wisdom and beautiful preaching. And if you have to

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argue, argue beauty. So these are the methods a lot taught us. A lot also taught us how to give Dawa to Christians in particular. And there are few points that stand out more than other points in the Quran and the prophetic tradition. And these few points you can call them the bone of contention or the the points of contention between the Muslims and the Christians today. These are the main topics we discuss. Nowadays, if not more, of course, there are more topics, there are many branches that emanate from these topics we discuss with Christians, and the Jewish community at large. But these are the four main points in my experience I have been dealing with in the last 12 years when I talk

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to Christians.

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So these points are basically as mentioned by check of the Rahim Muslim beyond the Bible, what do the Muslims actually believe? When it comes to the Bible, then the issue of the Trinity, the doctrine of the Trinity, is, as far as the Muslims are concerned, this belief, it constitutes polytheism. Well, while the Christians interpret the doctrine in a different way, they say this is exactly what oshi or monotheism entails. So this is where our disagreement is, then we have the issue of salvation put across. Muslims argue that salvation through the cross can simply not be achieved because it wasn't taught by Jesus, even if we were to take the current text of the Bible

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seriously, and believe every single word of it, we cannot find that idea coming directly from Jesus in particular. Then the final point is, Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam told in the Bible in particular, when I say the Bible, I mean, the the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, currently, the the mainstream Bible we find in the world, it has 66 books, when I say the mainstream, I mean, the Protestant world, the Anglicans and the Protestants and the Orthodox, they follow that particular collection 39 books in the Old Testament and 27 books in the New Testament, of course, the Catholics disagree slightly, adding seven more books to the canon. So predominantly,

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discussions between Muslims and Christians boil down to these four points and these are the four points I will be addressing very quickly, in the short lecture today inshallah. Okay, the point number one, this man rain, or hamdulillah. Point number one is the Muslim view on the Bible. What do we as Muslims believe about the Bible? Of course, Allah classical scholars have different with regards to the Bible, as some of them. They believed that the Bible, or the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians are entirely corrupt, they are completely corrupt, and they are simply not trustworthy, because of the corruption they have gone to. Another group of scholars believe that the

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biblical text is authentic, it can be trusted. Then there is a group in the middle, which is the vast majority of the Muslim scholars. Okay. And when I say Muslim scholars,

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I would like to clarify something very quickly. I'm talking about those Muslim scholars in particular, who have

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thoroughly studied the Judeo Christian tradition. Those scholars who have not studied the Judeo Christian tradition, are not to be taken as authorities in this field. Why? Because they haven't actually studied that tradition. So I am talking about authorities like shefali Stan IGNOU, Tamia, I'm talking about people like Abraham, I am talking about people like ignore

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them, okay, people who actually spend time studying the Judeo Christian tradition. In other words, the Bible that studied the Christian history in history in Jewish history, they study the biblical literature in detail, a to an extent that they wrote Compendium, they wrote chunky volumes on these very topics. For example, it will Tamia scheffel, Islamic potamia Allah who lived

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in the 13th century CE II, he wrote four volumes on responding to Christian questions about Islam and other for example, points of contention. And his Compendium or his collection of works is called a job as a layman, but the Latino message of very famous work, compiled by scheffel Islamic protect me up and very, very, very advanced and modern for its time. Of course, a lot of the information has been updated since then.

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We wrote this book almost 700 years ago. And I'm not claiming that the book still stands as a piece of research for us to use in current day. But

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there is a lot of information in that book, which stands to this day. I'm not saying all information is directly applicable, but a lot of information. Likewise, his student macwilliam also wrote a book titled, entitled, hi era.

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I mean, the title is her dialogue era, and he's talking about the Jews and Christians and their questions about Islam and Christianity. And likewise, similarly, Abraham has had written on compared to religion. So my view on the Bible and the Muslim view, predominantly speaking,

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when we take the overwhelming majority of those who studied the biblical tradition, or the Judeo Christian tradition they view on the Bible was that it is neither entirely corrupt, nor entirely authentic. So they had a very balanced view on the biblical text. They believed that there are remnants of truth during that are there are passages or there is information in the biblical texts in the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament that can be traced back to the original revelations, once upon a time that came upon the prophets. For example, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, and other biblical prophets. So this information we find,

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to be in, in agreement with the Quran.

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In many cases, that information is actually originally from Revelation. It is not in its original language, of course, but because no Jewish scholar knows to this day as to which language Moses spoke, okay, Moses certainly did not speak the Hebrew language, definitely not the current

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dialects and versions of that language extent today. Likewise, Christians call us to this they have no consensus as to what language Jesus spoke, there are opinions that he spoke a dialect of Aramaic, and the oldest copies of the teachings of Jesus Christ we have, or the oldest version of his teachings we have is in the Greek language. And Jesus certainly did not speak the Greek language he was an Israelite was born in the first century, Judea. And there is no reason to believe that spoke with Greek language, which was predominantly spoken in the Mediterranean region. So Christian scholars believe that he spoke a dialect of Aramaic. So we don't know what language is these, these

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prophets fall. For that reason, we simply do not have the originals, we don't have the original wording, the original writings that were taken from this prophet, we don't have them, what we have are the translations of the translations of the translation. In other words, copies of the copies of the copies. And this much is very, very clear to the Jewish as well as Christians. And Muslims are not inventing information, and Muslims are not inventing ideas. Muslims are not simply imposing things on Christians of the Jews. When when, when when we claim that there is truth in the Bible, and potentially,

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almost certainly false.

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In the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians, so the truth has been mixed with Watson. When we say false, we mean, outright false, or in some cases, we don't believe lots looked at his daughter. We don't believe Moses commanded indiscriminate massacres of people who lived the land of Palestine before the Israelites came in. We don't believe

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David would conspire to kill the husband of a woman so that he can have the, these are some of the ideas expressed in the text of the Old Testament. We don't believe them. We don't accept these ideas, because we don't believe God can have characters like that. So these ideas were later on, added to the text of the button. Right. On the other hand, at the same time, we believe there is authentic information in the Bible that came directly from God. For example, the famous Shama, the famous Shama, which is attributed to Moses whereby he stated arrow Israel the Lord, our God, is one Lord. And these were the words repeated by Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Mark chapter 12, verse 29,

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when an Israelite man came and asked him, Master, what is the first commandment what is the most important commandment and Jesus that era Israel the Lord our God is one word. So we believe wholeheartedly that there is information in the Bible which comes from

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Once upon a time, original revelations, but at the same time, there's information we simply cannot accept as authentic or as godly or as divine revelation. So this is the Muslim view on the Bible. If I was to summarize the whole thing, this is the Muslim view Bible, which is quite nuanced. It's very reasonable to believe all these things. And this is the dominant view within the classical Muslims ownership, as I mentioned some names to you already. For example, it will tell me I believe this, and his students like Luca Thea, and it will pay him also believe this. And later on many later authorities, on Islamic tradition, also believed his view that there is truth. And there is also an

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There are stories are told in the Judeo Christian tradition in general, and in the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians in particular. Moving on to the next point, having explained the Muslim view on the Bible, I will move on to the next point. The next point of contention between the Jews, sorry, between the Muslims, and the Christians and the Jews in the Christian, is the doctrine of the Trinity is a stumbling block, when it comes to Muslims taking anything seriously about the Christian doctrine on God. Okay, it is very difficult for Muslims to accept the doctrine of the Trinity, because, number one, primarily, it goes against the entire biblical tradition that the Jewish people

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inherited in the form of the Old Testament. It goes against all of that there is nothing on the Trinity in the Old Testament, and I'm not saying this, that our Christian authority is alive to me to confirm that, for example, William Lane Craig is a very well respected scholar in the Western world. When it comes to Christian theology. He is a Christian philosopher, he actually believes that there is nothing in the Old Testament that gives us an idea about a triadic godhead or a trinity for that matter. There's nothing there. Right? Is there anything in the New Testament? That's a vast debate? Some people claim that indirect verses that point to a trinity, not the doctrine of the

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Trinity, but a trinity? Right? So there are some passages that can be interpreted according to these Christian parties, that these verses when interpreted, in their view correctly, they give us a trinity, not the doctrine of the Trinity, right, there are others who say, No, we do not find any Trinity in the New Testament, rather, we have to really do is to Jesus. In other words, we have to read the ideas into the text of the Bible, rather than let the text speak to us. So we have to read the Trinity into the text of the Bible in order for us to extract it by force from the text. That's why the Christian church spent almost 300 years debating

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ideas like the divinity of Jesus Christ. Okay, what is the relation of a relationship of Jesus Christ with God the Father, for example. So these are some of the things we highlight to the Christian friends, that the doctrine of the Trinity can simply not be true, it cannot come from God, primarily, of course, because the Quran tells the Muslims so the Quran tells us that the Trinity is simply bought. It has nothing to do with God Almighty and his prophets. In chapter four of the Quran, verse 171, Allah God Almighty tells us

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that the Christian should not exceed limits in their religion. For example, the Quran says, and I'll quote the verse in the Arabic language.

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Yah, hell kita. Allah belemnite ship on Egypt on the Rahim Yeah, Allah, Allah. Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, all the People of the Scripture, do not exceed limits. Do not go to extremes in your religion, and say about God, accept the truth.

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So when you speak of God, speak the truth don't make up things. And then it goes further down in it says do not say three. For that reason do not say three and believe in a line is messengers. So God Allah is telling us in the Quran, don't say three. However, you may say it, whatever your conception may be, an amazingly, this verse, but this particular wording is so powerful is so comprehensive, that it simply deal with all the conceptions of the Christians have had for the last 2000 years of the Trinity because the Christian from the very start

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On when they started to believe in a trinity, or the doctrine of the Trinity meant we cover the fourth century, and then

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then onwards, Christians have had many different conceptions of the doctrine of the Trinity or even a trinity. And for that reason, Allah uses the comprehensive formula in the Quran telling them don't say three, however, you may say, whatever your conception of the three may be, it is false. It doesn't come from God. Prophet never taught and God never sent it. Why do you say it? Don't want to see it? Right? Further down in chapter five of the Quran.

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Allah tells us on verses 72 to 75 in Allah tells us, those who say that Jesus Christ, the son of Mary is God they blaspheme they are committing blasphemy, but not covered under the law who will receive no money and in the same chapter in the in the following verses the law also says like a cover and Medina follow in the law, it isn't a law. Okay, so both of these formulas have been dealt with by Allah Coronavirus. In chapter five of the Quran, verse 72, to 75. Allah says, Those who say that Jesus is the son of Mary is God are blaspheming. Those who say that Allah God Almighty is one of the three, one of the three or the third of the three for that matter. They are blaspheming they

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are making up ideas God never sent. And this is why Allah puts words in the mouth of Jesus. And Allah tells us that Jesus said to the Israelites, and this can be confirmed by actually the Gospel of Mark chapter 12, as I already quoted from it for and tells us in chapter five again, that Jesus said to the Israelites,

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by calling merciful Javanese, right, for the law to be what inhumane usually Billa talkin Haram, Allahu alayhi

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wa sallam nagamani told him he never even saw all the children of Israel. Worship one God your Lord, my Lord, and do not ascribe partners with him. And anyone who commits polytheism or ascribes false partners with boredom, it will not see paradise will be in Hellfire, and it will find no helpers. This is clearly stated in the Quran. So for the Quran claims that Jesus told the Israelites to worship one God, is that true? Do we find any precedent of that in the current text of the Bible? Of course we do. We go to the gospel of Mark chapter 12, verse 29, whereby we are told that a Jewish man came to Jesus Christ asking him Master, what is the first commandment or what is the most

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important commandment for that matter? And Jesus responded, he proclaimed arrow, Israel, the Lord, our God is One Lord, if Jesus was a Trinitarian, this was his chance to treat or to teach the doctrine of the Trinity, he will tell this Jewish man, you have been worshipping one person. Previously, throughout all that period from Moses to my day, let's say, for nearly 2000 years, that's okay. You have been students the time of Abraham to my time, okay? You have been worshipping one person one being and you call them the father, or you call him below him, you called him, Yahweh. But now there is a new covenant. Now, there is a new conception of divinity. Now, there are

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three persons within one Godhead, and God the Father is one person, God, the son, who is myself is the second person. And God, the spirit of the Holy Spirit is the third person. did Jesus do that anywhere? He did not do that. And if Jesus didn't do that, why do we have to believe that? Why do we have to believe that? Why do we even attribute those ideas to a man who never taught them? Why do we even claim on his behalf that he was a Trinitarian? If he wasn't Trinitarian, this was his chance to teach the Israelites the doctrine of the Trinity, but he was directly question about this very point. Master. What is the most important commandment? And his response was here, O Israel, the Lord

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our God is One Lord, not three in one rather one Lord. Okay, so worship dialogue with all thy mind, all the art, all thy soul? Okay, so the Jewish man had only one conception of God, which was unitary

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In, which was union personal, okay? God was uni personal as far as this Jewish man was concerned. And this is exactly what Jesus meant. And then further down Jesus denies timidity another place, for example, when he was questioned, oh, good master.

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Okay, tell me about salvation. And Jesus said, Why do you call me good, when there is only one good with God? So Jesus Himself is telling you, or telling the Israelites at that time, that only God is good, don't call me good. Jesus is not saying that he's bad, or he's evil, is simply out of his humility is telling the questioner that only God is ultimately good. Don't call me good. God is ultimately good. Okay? And if Jesus God, he would have said, Yes, I am good, ultimately good, because I am brought. He didn't do that. He didn't do that. So either Jesus was deliberately playing games with his followers, or he simply failed to teach them an important doctrine, which the

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Christians of all to this day, and this is where the second point is very, very important. The second point of today's discussion, the doctrine of the Trinity versus our he, what is Toshi? Toshi is simply believing in one God, one God who is unique, personal, who is the most powerful entity or is the Most Merciful entity, and he is one he is alone is unique in all his characteristics, and is not tribe personal, his unique personal is one B. So this is the doctrine of the low heat, which was taught throughout the Old Testament. For example, in the book of Isaiah,

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chapter 46, Chapter 44, Chapter 44, verse six, the same God tells us I am the first, I am the last, there is no one beside me. There is no one, there's no one else besides me, and who is speaking, who is speaking, according to the same book, book, Isaiah chapter 63, verse 16,

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same God, who is he is the father with capital as the Israelites called God Almighty, the father with capital. And they gave this title to God, as the creating father, not in the biological sense, rather, the sustaining the creating father, of course, in Islam, we cannot use terminology like this confuses people. This is why the Christians ended up with the Son of God, because there is a father there has to be a son, and Jesus became the son like Israelites were a son of God. Right. So they called born Almighty the father, but they didn't mean in the biological sex father, one God, one person, one creator. This is what the Israelites meant. So the doctrine of the Trinity. To

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summarize, the second point cannot be found anywhere in the Bible, neither in the teachings of the Israelite prophets, nor in the teachings of Jesus Christ, found in the New Testament, there is no doctrine of the Trinity in the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament and the poor are amazingly confirmed that, that Jesus never taught this doctrine, rather, if anything, he condemned it directly. So God addresses this doctrine directly as an error in the plan. So it is basically polytheism it is ascribing partners the bottom line, moving on to the next point, inshallah, of today's discussion is salvation, the question of salvation in Islam, and Christianity. Now, to

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summarize it very quickly. The Christians believe that Jesus died for our sins on the cross is sacrificed to willingly being God in flesh. He killed himself on the cross or he allowed himself to be killed on the cross by his enemies, and he sacrificed Russell's therefore, we are saved, okay, he paid for our sins on the cross. Okay. And if you believe in that sacrifice, then you are saved. You have simply you have the grace right? Now, this idea was taught by Paul, Apostle Paul, who never met Jesus had no idea as to who Jesus really was. He heard about Jesus later on. There is no evidence in the current text of the New Testament, whether Paul ever met Jesus. Now, this idea was never taught

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by Jesus Christ directly himself. He did not say himself, that he is that the carriers atonement

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or he is that particular

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who the Lamb of God who will be on the cross. And as a consequence, as a result, humanity will be forgiven. Jesus never clearly demonstrated this idea in the writings of the four gospels, okay, in the text of the four gospels, we don't find this very clearly, rather than a vague references that do not lead to any firm conclusions. And even these four gospels, can we take them as authority? Can we believe that they were written by the orders of Jesus Christ? Can we actually take them seriously? Who was more who was john who was Luke? Who was Matthew? We don't know, to this day, these were anonymous documents, stories, people have heard about Jesus Christ, and they put them

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down on paper, parchment or pirate, depending on where they were writing. Right? So by the middle of the first 42nd century, by the middle of the second century, almost 150. See, this is the time when these gospels were actually given names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john. Prior to that, these documents are actually read as anonymous writings written by anonymous people, the Christians today, even to this day, cannot with confidence claim as to who wrote this possible. So can we take them 50? Do we have any evidence whether they were actually written by eyewitnesses? So even if we found information during where whereby Jesus said, I came to kill myself or get killed on the cross, for

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your sin, but the you can be saved? Even if we had a statement like that in the New Testament? Do we have to believe it? No, we don't, because we don't know who wrote the statement. Where is this information coming from? Okay, so the only way to accept or reject information from the biblical text is to measure it against the dominant Jewish million the Israelite million of the time when it comes to divinity, and questions like dying on the cross with Jesus being crucified. These questions can be looked at through the Quran. For the Muslims. As far as I'm concerned, our lens is the Quran, we look at the Bible through the lens of the Quran. If the New Testament text agrees with the Quran,

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then we can assume with relative confidence that this information may have some origin in original revelation. Once upon a time possibly Jesus Christ said these words and these words were implemented, and later on transferred to these anonymous authors who had put them down in these gospels, we have no problem with accepting them. However, having said that, other information that goes directly against what the parent is saying we simply cannot accept, for example, the Quran in chapter four, verse 150 758, and 159. These three verses are on tells us about the Jewish claim that Jesus Christ was killed and crucified. The Quran tells us in categorical terms.

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Rama petaloo, Masanobu Walla can shook their head on, okay, they killed him not, they crucified Him, not rather it appeared to them. So they thought, this is what happened. But in reality, he was not killed. This rumor was spread to people thought that might have happened, and the story became truth. You know, when a story or when a lie is often repeated, it becomes the truth and becomes the truth. But is it actually the truth? No, just because a story becomes famous people start to believe in it, does it become true? No. There are so many things people believe today that are not true. People are misconception. People sometimes simply believe in lies. Media is a great example. today.

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So many lies have spread through mainstream media today. And people start to believe in the millions of people start to simply accept that information as if it was gospel truth, how ironic. Even the term gospel truth despite is ironic, okay, so it is clear that Jesus Christ was not crucified according to the Quran. Now, when we look at the Bible very quickly, does the Bible support the crucifixion of Jesus Christ? Is the biblical text consistent? All I have to show is that Jesus was not crucified, all I have to show is that the alleged event of the crucifixion is doubtful, is highly doubtful. That alone is enough to show that there is no salvation through the process. There

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is no salvation through the cross salvation is only

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Through following the teachings of the prophets of God, including Jesus Christ, when he was asked this question whether

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one can have salvation? What was his answer? His answer was simply follow the commandments. In other words, Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Matthew, called a young Israelite, follow the commandments of God. In other words, all the more of law, law of God, and you will have salvation. But this was the formula Jesus taught him. He didn't tell this young Israelite, I'm about to die on the cross, don't worry, just believe in my sacrifice, watch me die, I will die for your sins, I will be crucified. You don't have to worry about anything. Just Just believe in my crucifixion, my sacrifice, and Paul will come later on and he will tell you the same thing. Because believe in that, and you have

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salvation, Jesus do that. Know, what he did was, he told the Israelite young man, go and follow the commandments. If Jesus believed in his sacrifice, that he is going to liberate, liberate the Israelites, from the bondage to the wall as forfeited later on, then he would have told them, don't worry, I'm about to die, I will be crucified very soon, and you will be free. He didn't do that. Rather, he told this young man to follow the ball. So these are the questions Some of us have to look into. So coming to the point I was about to make very quickly about crucifixion, if I show it is highly doubtful, then clearly, you can't put your trust in a doubtful matter when it comes to

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your salvation. Now, when we read the four gospels, as parallel literature, we see amazingly, amazingly, we see major contradiction in detail. Now the Christians claim that these four balls are inspired by God. The question is, is one God inspiring all these four gospels? Or there are four different words inspiring these four different authors? The answer would be, there is one God inspiring these four authors. If that's the case, why are these four authors describing the event of crucifixion, in so many different details, often contradicting each other, often contradicting each other in major details around the matter of prediction? And in order to understand that, you must go

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and watch my debate, Samuel green, I had a debate on this very topic with Pastor, Reverend Samuel green.

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On the topic is was Jesus crucified? Was Jesus crucified in this debate? I highlight all those passages from this whole gospel that contradict each other directly on the details of the crucifixion. So why is God inspiring these authors with different information to confuse the masses on one particular event? Why can God not send information that's consistent, you know, with other inspired authors, right. So this is a very important point. Next point is, very often Christians, following Paul's example, bring Isaiah 53, from the book of Isaiah as a prophecy about crucifixion. Okay. Now, if you read Isaiah 53, carefully in the entire chapter, it doesn't talk about one person

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rather, is talking about the tribe of Israel. The suffering servant in this prophecy is the tribe of Israel. And many Jewish rabbis who commented upon these passages, they believe that this is either an Israelite prophet who suffered like Jeremiah, for example, in the past, and there are other opinions, or it is talking about the tribe of Israel in general, to anyone who reads Isaiah 53, objectively, the come to realize that you know, this passage and simply not be talking about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the future, right. That's one point. The second point is, we have a direct reference in the Old Testament, in the book of Psalms, okay, Psalm 91, tells us that there is

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a profit coming in the future, we will call upon God to be rescued, and God and God will listen to his prey and he will be rescued. Okay. Now, amazingly, this very prophecy, Psalm 91, is referenced in the New Testament

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about Jesus Christ, and the Gospel of Matthew, chapter four. We are told by the author of the gospel, that the devil and Jesus Christ had a dialogue with each other. The devil tempts Jesus Christ to jump off the cliff. Why? Because God has promised you that you will be protected. So the devil is using a prophecy, which was about Jesus Christ in front of

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Jesus Christ. He's used this prophecy, to encourage or to learn Jesus Christ into jumping off the cliff, Jesus Christ. Jesus alone does not contradict the devil rather, confirming what the devil says. He says, Yes, but it also says in the Scripture, do not tempt God. This is never said that this prophecy is not about me. Right? So what was the devil referring to when he said, even a stone will not pick your foot in chapter four of the Gospel of Matthew, the dialogue between the devil and Jesus Christ, the devil uses this word, a stone will not pick your foot to jump off the cliff view and be saved. Amazingly, the devil was quoting on Psalm 91, which was a prophecy about messianic

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figure who will come in the future will call upon God, God will save him. If you read Psalm 91, you'd be completely blown away. It is a prophecy about Jesus Christ being saved from his enemies. And it is directly referenced in the New Testament. Now a lot of the Christian missionaries and activists and apologists they come forward and say, no, this prophecy is actually not about Jesus Christ. And the fact that devil is using it shows that it is not about this. No, not fight. Right. Why? Because a Gustin St. Augustine, a very big name, Christian St. One of the biggest commentators and biggest Christian thinkers in patient history, St. Augustine wrote a commentary on the book of

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Psalms on Psalm 91, St. Augustine state, that this is a prophecy about Jesus Christ, because the devil uses a prophecy that actually applies to Jesus, right, because he wouldn't use a prophecy against his price. That doesn't apply on him. So he would use a prophecy that does apply on it. So a Gustin confirms in his commentaries on Psalm 91, that this prophecy applies to Jesus Christ. And when you read Psalm 91, as a chapter and this is your homework, brothers and sisters read it. it contradicts directly the notion of crucifixion, it confirms directly exactly what the Quran says about the crucifixion, he cannot be crucified. He was promised protection and Allah protected him.

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And in fact, angels will lift him these these are the words in Psalm 91 angels will lift him and this is what the answer is bol, Rafa, Our Lady, Allah, rather he was raised hi to us. He was raised. Okay. So these are some of the points I wanted to bring. He mentioned about a matter of crucifixion and salvation to the process. How can you have salvation to the process, when the narrative is so doubtful, so contradictory? And at the same time, we have prophecies about Jesus that contradict the notion of crucifixion altogether? If that's the case, how can we put our entire faith in this doctrine and

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measure it against God's mercy would have merciful God, kill his own son on the cross to forgive you and me? It's like, we are committing sins, and God would kill his own son. It's like, someone slaps someone else, and I take my son moussaka, my son is or Musa Musa anon, you know, someone commits a crime against another person. And I take my own son Moosa, and I punish him for someone else's crime. Does that make sense? Is that a merciful God? This is why Allah, Allah, addressing this idea directly in the Quran, these days regarding the hollow rushman while other day, Christians say that our rough man, the Most Merciful, the most religious, the Most Merciful entity, would take a son for

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what to sacrifice. Why would the merciful would need to sacrifice if he is the merciful as Allah says in the Quran is the merciful, if he's the merciful, why would be merciful person, or sexier or the person the merciful entity that killed his own child to save you? There is no child of the merciful and there is no sacrifice in the words. That's the point. Moving on to the final point of today's discussion is Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam in the Bible. Mohamed Salah Selim in the Bible is another point of contention between the Jews and the

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Jews and the Christians and the Muslims, all three. All of these three groups they argue with each other on this point, Muslims claim that the Quran tells us

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that Prophet Muhammad is foretold in the previous scriptures of the Jews and the Christian. And this can be found in chapter seven of the Quran verse 57, where Allah says Allah will be leveraged upon regime, you actually do know Mark Tobin and on Victor are calling Jesus. They find him mentioned Muhammad, they find Muhammad mentioned in the Torah and the NGO. In other words, the scripture of the Jews and the Christian right, the Muslims hold on second is

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He actually mentioned when we go and check to see passages, powerful passages, mentioning an Arabian Prophet, Isaiah 42, for example, is a very powerful prophecy about a messianic figure will come in the future will take Gentiles who will come for the Gentiles who will come not only for the Jewish people or the Israelites for other, we will come for the word, and he will take people out of darkness and bring the light he will

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put spread justice on the line islands will wait for his law, he will bring the new law, a new Torah, the word in the Hebrew language there is Torah. So this is not the Torah of Moses. Rather, this is the Torah of Muhammad, Allah is Allah modern law of Providence.

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So this is very, very clear, my brothers and sisters, that this is an indication of a new product coming from Arabia. And verse number 11 of the same chapter, chapter 42, of the book of Isaiah actually gives us the location, let the villages of Kdr rejoice, let them lift up the voices, let them sink the top of mountains of law.

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You cannot get more specific than this. Hadar was the second son of his mind according to the book of Genesis, chapter 25, verse 13, according to the book of Genesis, Hadar, the second son of a smile and a Salaam, his smile was the ancestor of problem. And according to one of the genealogies of the Prophet Mohammed Salah Salem, Hadar, was number 60. From the Prophet he was one of the ancestors of the Prophet sallallahu sallam. So why would

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an Israelite prophet in a prophecy mentioned the people of Kay dar the ishmaelites let them rejoice, let them lift up the voices, let them sink the top of mountains. And then amazing a shockingly, surprisingly, the location is specifically mentioned, seller in verse number 11 and 12. The location Salah is mentioned Salah is a mountain in the city of Medina, in Saudi Arabia. How

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specific can you get? This is a direct prophecy about Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam in the the Old Testament and of course there are others. I don't have the time to go through that. For that my brothers and sisters, I would invite you to watch my debate again with Samuel green, Reverend Samuel green. And my debate is titled Muhammad were told in the Bible sacralized Prophet Muhammad foretold in the Bible, I had debated this very topic with Reverend Samuel green in Australia, the debate is there, watch the debate and you will get more ideas more evidences on the Bible. This is why we believe that the Bible is not entirely corrupt. There is true information in the Bible, truthful

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information that has some origin in revelations that came from God. So we are not extremists who throw away the baby with the bathwater with the bathwater, and say, you know, you don't throw away the baby with the bathwater, rather, we filter out the truth from falsehood. And we are very, very nuanced in that sense. And also Finally, I want to mention very quickly that we are working on a book when I say we three persons. One of the brothers is the same with also Muslim debater, Mashallah and myself have not received and another brother of ours was a researcher in Korea, three of us are working on a book on this very specific topic, titled, Abraham fulfilled, Abraham

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fulfilled. And the book is about the prophecies about a rape an Arabian prophet in the Bible in a textbook, I think it would be one of the best treatments of the Prophet not because we are writing it because of the evidence we have used. I don't think this evidence has been seen before in any other work previously. And I'm not claiming protection. I'm not claiming the last word on the matter. Rather, please do read the book. And hopefully you will find some interesting ideas in that book. The book hasn't been published yet. It is still going through editing process. And once it's ready, you will see it announced on our social media pages, it will be titled Abraham fulfilled

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prophecies about an Arabian prophet in the mind. And I will stop there. Thank you so much for listening to me. mela Bless you, the document lover and thank you to him for inviting me, but humbled in light of anatomy. Thank you for coming Mashallah. And Tibetans would do when you when you sent me the titles in the beginning, I was like, how is he going to finish this like in less than an hour? And even today, I was a bit skeptical was Mashallah, you covered each one of them. Very good. And you give each one? No, it's just time alone, but it was very good, very beneficial. Very informational. Generally. There's a couple of questions and if anyone else has any questions you can

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send. I put the links for both of the lectures. You had several debates with this. Reverend Samuel Samuel whose name

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Yes, agreed. to debate Yeah,

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I've had a debate on the issue of salvation by the cross with Dr. James White. And that debate was in Atlanta, Georgia.

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That's a very important debate. Please do watch that debate of salvation to the cross with Dr. James White. The one for Samuel green, I put both of them they're the ones about the crucifixion. And Mohammed Ali Scylla to summon the baba baba them the links to the brothers and sisters. They can watch that hamdulillah.

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So the first question that we have was about the number of books that you mentioned, is it did I hear correctly? This is done as mentioned that Orthodox Christianity as 66 books like the Protestants,

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Yes, correct. The Protestant Bible when I say the Protestant Bible, I mean, the Protestant version of the Bible has 66 books in total 39 in the Old Testament, 27 in the New Testament, while Catholics add another seven books in the Old Testament, so the Catholic do a range Bible has 73 books in total, while the Protestant Bible has 66 books, this is what I said

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in the Orthodox is, is the same denomination so

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sorry, go get word that door, orthodox Bible, orthodox is the same as the as the Protestant yet. Yes, correct. Correct. The author, I mean, look, the Christians, the Christians to this day, unfortunately, are not united upon one Bible. Okay, and I'm not talking about translation. I'm talking about the actual so called original text, whether it's in Hebrew, or in the Greek language, okay, for example, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has 83 books in the Bible. Right? So where do you stop the bug? Where do you go from 6673 83? Which one is the right one? So these are some of the questions which which we can address in another lecture and shower. But there is a there is a

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website, I would strongly recommend for further research into the Bible and the Quran, and is a very highly academic research on this website is an academic website, that is www dot Islamic hyphen

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www dot Islamic Go to the Bible section, as well as,

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as well as the Quran section and you will find plenty of fascinating information from academic sources. inshallah.

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The next question is, was the gospel raised with Jesus? I heard a teacher saying to her students, if so, is the proof. Is there proof of that to prove that? Was the gospel raised with Jesus? I mean, the original gospel

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Did you we do have no gospel, we don't know what it looked like. And whether Jesus actually transferred a standardized text of the gospel to his followers. The Gospel simply means the good news, and Jesus was going around teaching people at different times at different places, and people had gathered this information in different ways, mostly through memory. And then this information was transferred through memory later on to later generations. And a lot of this information has survived. And a lot of other information in the name of Jesus Christ was attributed to him which never came from him. So we simply cannot know what the original passport looked like. All we can do

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is basically try to filter out truth from falsehood, in the four gospels within the full gospel, and why do we have to confine ourselves to report gospel there are other gospels that are quite early for, for example, the Gospel of Thomas is a very early document, which cannot be found in the New Testament, Gospel of Thomas has 114 sayings of Jesus Christ attributed to him, some of them are fascinating. Some of them are amazing, and they're very powerful. You think so panelized so close to Islam, the Gospel of Thomas, which is actually some scholars believe is earlier than the four gospels, the Gospel of Thomas it, it has 114 sayings of Jesus Christ. We're not claiming it is the

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gospel of Jesus Christ. We're not saying that I'm not saying that, okay, but it is another option to look into and see whether we can somehow extract some of the information Jesus might have taught himself to his followers, we simply cannot get the full, complete version or the original version of the gospel or the Injeel of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, we have no trace of it.

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Is that okay? The next question is the devil okay for pointing out Isaiah and the Christian misuse of the OT. inshallah, if you if you have time, if you could mention other verses Christians twists and their narrative

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Like the Trinity in Genesis?

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Yes, absolutely. There are so many verses. Christian, our Christian friends, activist apologists they use from the book of Genesis, for example, you know, when God uses the term of majesty that we created, I mean, we is that a lot of Christians will take it as a plurality of persons rather than plurality of majesty. So these are some of the misconceptions Christians have with regards to Semitic languages, and they misinterpret these, these verses. And there are so many verses, I mean, I simply cannot go through all of them in a short lecture like this, but there are lectures online, you can watch my lectures and other lectures by other Muslim activists who do debate with

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Christians, and you will find a lot of good information.

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And the next question is about

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among the Christians to know about the reality of the raising of Jesus to heaven? If the matter of the crucifixion is debatable, why is it that the majority of Christians believe in the crucifixion and analyze everything to die on the cross? Look, this is exactly what they have been taught for the last 2000 years, would you blame them? I mean, if you are taught something from childhood, and you are made to believe that is true, then it is very difficult to take it out of your your mind and your understanding. So for that reason, we have to highlight passages like Psalm 91. If some Nigerian it's a big deal, it's a huge if, if some 91 is a prophecy about Jesus Christ, then there is

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no crucifixion. Jesus cannot die on the cross. It cannot be brutalized, it cannot be latched, spat at, and, and, and stabbed or even nailed to the cross. That was a very brutal, disgraceful death that Jesus could not have received at the hands of his enemies. If Tom 91 is a prophecy about Jesus Christ, and many Christian authors and commentators struggled, struggled with that particular prophecy, and they had to spin it in so many different ways to bring a meeting out that is simply not there. Okay, so we have to really highlight these passages more and more so that Christians can come to realize Hold on, there is something there that needs our attention. Some 91 is a very, very,

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very powerful chapter, I invite you all to read it, and read it in light of the book of Matthew chapter four, whereby Jesus has a dialogue with the devil and the devil uses that prophecy gets by knowing well that this prophecy is about Jesus and Jesus knows the prophecies about him. And then when you read Psalm 91, the prophecy it tells us, he cannot be brutalized, he cannot even be scratched, let alone last and nailed to the cross. So these are some of the points we need to look into inshallah and convey them to the person in Newport. Ciao. Ciao.

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expression is about what do you say about Sarris? Krishna say he's the one and Isaiah 42. In Deuteronomy and 1818.

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Again, it's a matter of opinion, there are so many opinions. And people have also sorts of wild interpretation opinions. We can't take all of them seriously. It's anyone's. It can be anyone's guess. Okay. It is your word against mine or your understanding against mine. We didn't get any commentaries written by prophets, or the Israelite prophets, for that matter, from Jesus Christ, that we can actually say, Oh, yeah, this is definitely the meaning of these particular passages. Right? So these are open to interpret interpretation passages, but passages like Psalm 91. Why am I saying why am I insisting that applies to Jesus Christ because the Gospel of Matthew uses the

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prophecy with regards to the life of Jesus Christ. Matthew, the author of the Gospel of Matthew attributes the proxy for Jesus Christ.

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Whether he did it through the devil, the devil or not even later fishes, Paul has confirmed that prophecy is actually part of Christ. How do you reconcile it with Isaiah 53 when you have a prophecy telling you it cannot be brutalized or killed or even scratched? Okay, it's as just a general question, but any I think a lot of people want to understand as the Muslims, they will just choose this question about it and the how the Trinity is very confusing concept. And why do they still insist on believing in it in your experience? I guess that's something always very mind boggling. I think for a lot of Muslims. And even they don't understand themselves. We can't read I'm just no one

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can understand it. So why are they hold so firm to it? There are two reasons. There are two reasons one is outright ignorance of the history of Christian doctrine or the development of Christian doctrines. Okay, outright ignorance on the part of most Christians who believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. The second reason is stubbornness. A lot of people who do

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The history there do know, it is not there. And it is a concocted idea. It is a man made thing. It took Christians 400 years to come up with this idea when they know these things, and then still insist on this idea, then they are simply being stubborn. Okay, so this is what it is anyone who reads the doctrine of the Trinity and its history carefully, you simply cannot

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understand it and you cannot believe in it you know, if you are a sensible I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not insulting Christians are but trying to say Christians are naive or they are unintelligent, I'm saying, you know, some of them are ignorant and others may be stubborn believing, and some may be genuinely in, you know, in this in this shape on in this way of thinking that okay, maybe it's true, maybe it's true. But clearly when you read the history, it is absolutely false. It is purely manmade. It took Christians 400 years to come up with it. Why is that the case is the question. Yeah.

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Zack no finish everyone take him over time to give another commitment. They look for the very beautiful lecture, very informative and like I said, I was impressed that you were able to get all four of those Mashallah, in that amount of time I'm the very beneficial Look here. Give it give our Salaam see the brothers their stuff we're gonna do well I was in a coma.