The Incoherence of Atheism

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Today's lecture is about a very important topic, a topic which Allah subhanaw taala addressed in the Quran as well incoherence of atheism.

People who do not believe in God who deny the existence of Allah subhanaw taala will deny the existence of a creator

and we will discuss the incoherence of the ideas. Firstly, the term atheism

which literally means

no God ism, okay? theism actually means believing in deities or a deity. For example, when we say la ilaha, when we do our Shahada with the La Ilaha This is basically becoming an atheist. Okay, this is called negation, right? Illa in LA, after that comes affirmation, Allah, okay, so if people believe in false deities, people are worshipping idols, people are worshipping stones, stars, trees, sacred objects, for example, or humans. You know, like some people worship Jesus Christ as God. They actually you know, it's upon Allah, Allah says in the Quran, that mountains almost crumbled. Yes, when they utter things like this about Allah Allah that Allah has a son or a Salah Salaam is God

look at copper alladhina Paulo in the Lucha Who? mercy Hello Mario. Okay What color was he who yeah Bani Israel la hora de what a Baku instead the Messiah said he saw a Salaam Jesus said there is no god except Allah, Hero Israel. The God our Lord is one God, so worship Him. And amazingly, the same verse differently worded is in the New Testament. When a Jewish man comes to Jesus and asks him What is the first commandment and it gives him famous Shema. Okay, the book of Deuteronomy, chapter six verse four, where the famous Shama is given for the Jewish people, the first commandment hero Israel, the Lord our God is one God like Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam when he came to Makkah, and

many climbed the mountain suffer

I'm going to reset Qureshi. Ooh La ilaha illa autoflow say there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and you will prosper you will be successful same message easily Salaam said the same thing to go to Israel. This is confirmed in the New Testament and the Quran makes a reference to it. What color mercy Yamani is right about a lot of be when I'm back home. So this is why we believe there are some parts of the Bible or even the New Testament. They actually definitely come from a Salah salon. Some parts have survived, you know, some Muslims, they wash their hands, you know, they throw throw, throw, throw away the baby with the bathwater, you know, they say, okay, the entire Bible of

the gospels are untrustworthy. You know, we don't believe that we have a very balanced view. And this is the view of the classical allama such a shepherd, Islamic potamia. That the Bible, as it stands today, it definitely contains remnants or elements of truth. It contains elements of truth, truth, verses that clearly correspond with some of the teachings in the Koran. And we believe these teachings actually originally came from the prophets, although they're not in the same wording. The words used by those prophets are completely lost the gone we don't know what language musalla salons people spoke, or we don't know what language is, or Islam spoke. He didn't speak Greek. Or you say

Salaam did not speak Greek. He didn't preach in Greek. It would be useless to preach to the people in Judea in the first century, the Jewish people, he was preaching the Jewish people, right? It would be useless to preach to them in the Greek language.

So atheism is a position

which is acquired. It is not a natural position. You're not born with atheism.

You're not born with atheism. Every one is born upon fitrah like Rasul Allah sallallahu Sallam said kulu malu, Allah fitrah.

Everyone.

Okay, everyone is born on fidra. So everyone is born upon fitrah What is citra? fitrah is the natural disposition, believing in a creator? That is the natural disposition? Actually, there was a research conducted by Oxford University not very long ago, one of the scholars from Oxford University conducted a research okay. And she concluded

I'm sure it was lady, she concluded that if we were to leave children on an island

and return to them, few years later, they would end up believing in a higher beam, someone who created who made them someone who put them there, they would not be atheists. atheism is not a natural position, it is an acquired position, people are conditioned to become atheists. Like what happened during the Enlightenment period, atheism spread it grew

out of

an accident which took place in Europe. Previously, atheism was not known on the global scene, you might find references here and there who people who denied the existence of Allah, some philosophers, possibly neoplatonic philosophers in the back in the past, back in the day.

But society is generally speaking, universities, teachers, science, theology, history, these subjects are not taught by atheists, right? Some of the major universities in the world were made by people of religion.

We're sitting in Cambridge, I came quite early to Cambridge today, I was here at one o'clock. So I went to the city center to look for some bookshelves. And then I saw these qualities of

Cambridge University. What are they called? St. John's College, yet, the Trinity College and the list goes on. Right? So these universities where today, a lot of these professors who are teaching who assume that atheism is the natural position, who assume that atheism is the best position, who assume that it is the most logical position, right, but they don't realize where the teaching was actually established by religious people. These are the people you are actually standing on the shoulders of giants, people, people who left these libraries behind for you to look into. Now you come along without actually having any sense of appreciation for their work, deny all the good work,

and say they were all a bunch of fools and they had no idea what they were doing. Although they have left all of this for us. We will break away from

That tradition, and we will start a new movement called New atheism. Okay, so atheism is of types as well. It's an acquired condition. So atheism actually means no.

deity, basically, that's what it means, right? It's a position of negating the existence of any deity or deities. Okay. So, atheists believe there is no God. That's what they claim there is no God. Okay? And because it is a position that's making a claim,

they have to obviously give evidence, they have to show they have to prove that there is no God, what they do is they throw the burden upon the people of religion, that you have to prove that God exists, because you are claiming God exists. But in fact, in reality, when you contemplate

on the word, atheism, you come to realize it is actually a claim in itself. It is incoherent, the word itself is incoherent in itself, when you say no God, you are actually acknowledging that acknowledging the idea of God exists.

The idea of God exists. You're saying, No, God, atheism is like saying a political, okay, I am non political. When you say I am a political, you must have heard people saying this, I am a political, I don't get involved in politics. Does that negate the existence of politics? The term, when you say I'm a political, you think politics exists, but I am not a politician. I don't get I don't get involved in politics. Likewise, when you say atheism, you're actually acknowledging theism exists. And we don't believe in it. So we don't believe in theism, theism is God ism. You know, whatever your conception of God is, for example, you may believe in one God or 20 gods or 330 3 million Gods

like some of the Hindu colleagues believe, okay, we deny reject all those notions. So what happens here is that,

because some of these ways are false, some of

T isms, some of the isms, some of the T isms, some of these conceptions of God are also some of these atheists, they assume that all positions are false.

For example, they very often, very often a lot of atheists haven't actually studied Islam thoroughly.

They haven't actually they make major mistakes and debating Muslims. There is a lot of propaganda online, false propaganda, very ignorant propaganda online, about Islam and Muslims. And atheists actually claim a lot of false things about Islam without having understood completely what Islam stands for, or what it means because they make assumptions, sweeping assumptions about Islam. And they see Islam from a Christian lens, because they have been confronting Christianity in the West, they assume Islam is just like Christianity is not going to be different, different. But there is no similarity between between Islam and Christianity. Even in the concept of God, there is no

similarity. There is only one similarity that the Christians claim they believe in one God, we also claim that we believe in one God, but Christian conception of deity, or Godhead, is completely different to Islam. If we are talking about Orthodox Christianity, as we know it today, as it came to be known as Orthodox Christianity, which is trinitarianism. Christians believe that God is one but He manifests Himself in three persons, God, the Father, God, the Son, God, the Spirit. And these three persons are one being, they are part of one being basically, or they're all one being. But this one being manifests manifests itself in three persons. And atheism actually came as a reaction

to such doctrines during the Enlightenment period, which took place here mainly in Europe. And Britain was at the center of this movement called the Enlightenment movement. Some philosophers who were completely sick of religion for a number of reasons because religion here in Europe was very impressive.

Don't forget,

please do remember that in Europe hair, people were being burned alive for having opinions. Many scientists nearly got burned alive, some did some even got burned. Okay. Galileo

is a famous case in study. Right? You know, Galileo,

right, who lived in the 17th century 1600

I was put on trial for believing in heliocentric theory of the solar system or the sun, okay? that the sun is in the middle. It's not the other way around. It's not the earth. It's the sun, which is in the middle of the solar system, other planets are going around it, right? This is called heliocentric view of the solar system. So when Galileo came forward, to put this view forward, the church got on his case, and he was put under,

he was put on trial in position

was established. And he was asked questions, and he had to go through a lot of trouble because of having opinions. Likewise, there were other people who could not express opinions openly, because they live threatened the Catholic Church, or if not the Catholic Church, even the Protestant church became very oppressive. So it wasn't only the Catholics were burning people alive, Protestants did. Also, they also burn people alive for having opinions. For example, a man called Michael servetus was burnt at stake in 1553 in Geneva, for saying that Jesus was not God.

So now that we are breaking away from the Catholic Church,

we are having this reformation or what you call re formation, re formation is revising everything what what was reformation, reformation in Europe, was that, okay? The Catholic Church has had its monopoly for centuries, and it is corrupt.

And we don't want to,

we want to break away from the Catholic Church, the monopoly of the clergy, the corrupt clergy has to go because the church owned a lot of land. The priest, you know, became the most powerful and the most wealthy people in Europe, you know, people who were supposed to live simple lives, priests, you know,

who were supposed to be ascetics, people who worship and continuously busy themselves in studying books, but they became so involved entangled in local politics that they became very rich. Okay, so there was a reaction to it.

The reaction was break away from the Catholic Church.

And then let people read the Bible themselves. Let them make their own minds up the Catholic Church view the church as we was. Now don't do that, because if you do that people will go away from religion, they will apostatize they will start to have doubts about religion. Let us explain religion to them. Don't let them read the religion. But the participants obviously,

who were obviously divided in different groups, they insisted No, we want to break away from the church. So we had the Cal Calvinists. In Geneva, we had strong influence of Martin Luther in Germany, the King of England because of his marriages, Henry the Eighth broke away, because he couldn't get divorces, or it couldn't get the pope to agree with his divorce with Catherine of Aragon, he formed his own church and appointed himself as the head of the church. Okay. And hence, and lo and behold, we add the Anglican Church, also Protestants, who heavily persecuted

Catholics during the reign of Elizabeth the first Catholics were seen as Muslims are seen today in Britain, you know, Muslims have become the boogeyman, right? Yet you are seen with suspicion. If you don't feel it in Cambridge, go to London and go to the pleasure you will see when you jump on a tube, he will start looking at you like you're an alien, you just popped into existence and use the genie came out of the lab, like kind of look, you know, imagine if there was a giant lamp in front of you, someone did something to learn and Jim came out, how would you How would you see the gel for Pinilla, amazing site. This is all Muslims are looked upon to them. And this is not new, by the way.

Okay. Catholics were seen with similar suspicion in the 16th century in England, because Catholics were accused of fostering sympathies for the Spanish. And there was conflict between England and Spain. At the time, Spain was Catholic England was Protestant because of Elizabeth the first. So again, let's move on into enlightenment. So church oppression, church oppression became very intense. So some of these philosophers, they started to write against Christianity. In some cases, they were actually right about the views. Some of them there were there were degrees of opposition to the church, even to the Anglican Church in England. So some people said, the entire religion of

Christianity is false.

What we find in the gospels in the Bible is all fables, stories lies. Other said no, the doctrine of the Trinity is of corruption. The religion is fine. So there were two reactions mainly, mainly, okay. One was atheism. One was unitarianism.

And another one was deism not

on a huge scale. There were a few DS also in Europe at the time. So what is deism? deism is a theory or is a view

which

suggests that there is a supreme being who has made all of this,

the universe and the rest. But that Supreme Being is like an absentee landlord. You know, when you make a building, and you just leave it and walk away from it. Hmm, just leave the building, put people in the building, or give it on rent. And never ask questions, you know, absentee landlord, you just don't ask. So deist. deism is a view that God has created the universe of someone, a supreme being has made the universe and he left it to run to elect the universe of the planet earth to run it by itself.

So this was also the view because some people simply could not come around or cannot we could not deny the evidence that they saw for the existence of a supreme being.

So they these are few reactions. Unitarians are saying no, no, we don't want this. Trinity Trinity is a corruption of Christianity. And there were many people who were Unitarians the current disbelieve in God, because rationally, scientifically,

philosophically, they could not disbelieve in God, because there are deep thinkers. And I'll give you names people like Isaac Newton, Isaac Newton was actually

a theist who believed in God, not because of his religion, because of his science, because he was a physicist, Isaac Newton was a physicist. So when he studied the universe, the solar system, he simply could not believe that this is by chance. This is very, very well calculated. And he referred to this being as the master mathematician. He referred to Allah God Almighty, as the master mathematician, someone who knows how to calculate in order to create this universe, and our solar system, which is a very small, tiny part of the universe. So he was a theist, Isaac Newton.

And he wrote amazingly more on theology than he did on science.

And he wrote in secret

is theology his theological views were not known until he died. Isaac Newton, there are people like john Locke. Locke, who was a philosopher, the father of modern democratic principles, okay, who inspired many later philosophers was, again, a Unitarian question. He didn't believe in the Trinity. He could not disbelieve in God, because that option was there as well. There were other people

who disbelieve in God like Hume. Hume was a disbeliever. It is believed in God Voltaire, for example, the French

philosopher who was very anti religion, very, very anti religion. In fact, Voltaire was accused by many authors, later authors of instigating the French Revolution, the ultimate sign of

breaking away from the established or organized religion.

And some

people actually accused the Freemasons, of being behind

the French Revolution. The French Revolution was a catastrophe on a grand scale.

It is celebrated today in France. And these ideas, liberty, fraternity, equality, these three ideas that came out of the French Revolution, what does that actually mean? Free yourselves,

free yourself from shackles of religion, that that's what the idea was, and Voltaire, who was with other philosophers, French rulers, such as Rousseau and Montesquieu, these people were actually doing the same work. They were thinking the same way. They were philosophers and because of the philosophy, or how they actually understood the philosophy, they ended up just believing in God Voltaire

on the front line, causing a lot of people

problems for

the religious establishment in the country in France.

These details are very important so that you understand where atheism came from. Okay, it is not something irrational or intellectual.

Although people do attempt to make it seem intellectual, that it is the most

logical thing to do, or believe in, and amazingly it has become fashion now, even in the Muslim world. People think when they call themselves atheists, they look cool.

Or just because they're not religious, there's something special about that. But just because you feel comfortable with something doesn't make it right.

If you feel comfortable with not believing in something doesn't make

the fact of God go away. A lot does not go away, whether you sleep

or whether you are awake, like the point

a ball or the ball, he said, you know, ma Guru Nanak and he Baba, Baraka is Allah, Allah Allah, He said this song,

the song of La Ilaha Illa is not bound by the weather or climate.

Okay, whether it is spring or autumn, whatever it is, whether it is spring or autumn, it is still lying idle, because it exists, whether there is it is raining outside or it is sunshine, makes no difference, God will exist

because God cannot go away. Because God is a reality as we will see in due course very quickly. So, atheism came from

European experience. It is purely a product of what happened in Europe during the Enlightenment period, in particular.

So, some of these philosophers started to argue against religion.

They started to argue against religion.

They accused religion, of causing problems. They accused religion of causing oppression. Because the church was very oppressive, no doubt, people were being burned at stake people who are being pursued for having opinions. You know, as late as the 18th century.

There was a man called Joseph Priestley,

Joseph Priestley was, again, a Unitarian. He wrote books against the Trinity,

said the Trinity can't be true. And this was one of the reasons why a lot of Christians actually apostatize from Christianity, because the Trinity, the doctrine of the doctrine of the Trinity, historically, theologically, textually didn't make sense to them, philosophically doesn't make sense. It's a very difficult doctrine to understand, for Christians. And a lot of them actually completely abandoned the religion because of this others, they became Unitarians. Like Joseph Priestley, the man who discovered oxygen,

a very famous scientist.

And he had to leave England because his her his house in Birmingham was burned down.

In 1790s, he had to migrate to Pennsylvania, in the US, and that's where he died.

So there was a lot of persecution here. So people started to break away from religion.

Edward Gibbon is another person from the 18th century, who wrote this classical history of the Roman Empire, the decline and the fall of the Roman Empire. by Edward Gibbon, he started writing this history in 1776. And he finished it in 1788. It took him 12, long years to write the history of the Roman Empire, it still stands as a monumental work, still very much, very much appreciated and read.

And he also attacked Christianity.

So what happened as a result, atheism,

atheism, a lot of philosophers became atheists, they just broke away from religion. They found it easier to attack religion because Christianity was very weak. But amazingly, we never had this phenomenon in the history of Islam, where the most learned people actually broke away from religion here. What are we having here in Europe, in Europe, some of these most learned people, what's happening to the most learned people on history and philosophy of theology? What's happening to them? They are either becoming atheists or Unitarians.

Of course, there are other learning people who are not changing. They are still trinitarians

Hold on tight to the, the tradition. But this is what's happening in Europe is a purely European exercise. It's a European experience, which is being pushed forward now systematically today through media.

And even, in some cases, militarily, secularism, which is political atheism. In other words, what is what does secularism mean? secularism means when God has no role in politics, God cannot dictate your

political morality, of political ethics. God does not tell you what to do in politics. Men decide. men make laws, humans make laws.

And it is humans who tell you what to do politically. That's basically

secular secularism to you know, put it in simple terms, or put it crudely, basically, to simplify things. It is political atheism, which is being shoved down people's throats on the planet today,

especially in the Muslim world.

Every single movement to revive Islam, politically is being sabotaged, is being undermined, is being suppressed.

In the name of human rights,

whose conception of human rights

whose conception of human rights is the question, who tells you what human rights are?

Me and you, not God is not allowed tell you what human rights are. Okay? And human rights are continuously changing.

They are continuously changing. They're not static. Because when humans decide what human rights are, humans will follow the desires.

Okay? For example, humans may know something is morally wrong.

If we have 100 people in this room,

and 95 of them drink alcohol.

And it is scientifically shown that alcohol is medically socially,

morally, it is detrimental to the well being of any society on the planet.

It has no benefits. Alcohol consumption has no benefits. It only has loss

by 95 people.

If 95 people, you hit the brother of sitting somewhere else, jello. If 95 people consume alcohol,

will you ever get a law against alcohol? They all know is wrong.

I'll give you another example. During the 18th century, Atlantic slave trade, when people were being kidnapped from Africa, for three centuries, they were taken across the Atlantic Ocean. They were used as cattle without any rights in the Americas, you know.

In the 18th century, there was a man called William Wilberforce in the British Parliament, who was fighting for the rights of slaves in the colonies. And he was working for the abolition of slave trade. Okay, Atlantic slave trade, to be precise.

Why couldn't you get the law?

Everyone in the parliament, British Parliament knew it is evil. It is wrong. It is destroying humans effectively.

It is

unethical, they knew it. Why couldn't you get along? Because most of them, if not all, had investments in the colonies.

Slave Trade was central

to the well being financial well being.

They couldn't abolish it.

So

that's secularism.

If you can't convince enough humans to make a law, and it may work, it may be a moral law, gun laws. gun laws in the US. People are being sprayed left, right and center. People are being killed on the streets like dogs. In America, every Tom Dick and Harry walks into a gun shop, buys a weapon automatic weapon walks into a school or into a marketplace and it sprays people

and yet gun laws guns are not being banned. Why? Because the gun industry those who produce guns

Very powerful. They're very powerful. They either by Senators or they themselves are senators.

So these are some of the things this is political atheism, what we call, you know, divorce God, ethically, God has nothing to say, in politics. Just don't look at God. Choose men to make laws for you. And when men make laws for you, this is what happens. Okay? So

it was in a quiet position. It was a European experience. And it is absolutely incoherent when you actually think about it rationally. So what are atheistic arguments against religion for example, they say God does not exist because there's no evidence number one, there is no evidence.

On the other hand,

we argue philosophically.

And when it comes to science, some atheists

they use science or attempt to use science to disprove God.

So we asked them a question, can science ever can science ever prove the existence of God?

Can I ever prove the existence of God as science stand today, as we understand science today, or the philosophy of science? They will say no,

they will say no.

science can never prove God even if allow us to open the curtains

and show himself and you put a scientist there and ask him to explain this scientifically. He will make all kinds of excuses but

to accept that this is a lot

as Allah says in the Quran, that even if allow us to open the heavens, and

yeah, there will be some it will still deny him. They will still deny him. Okay for the Arabic Omar to come. Why does the law say that? The entire sutra is evidence for loss

of life making this case? Look at all these things are allemaal Quran Allah Collinson, Allah Al bayana shampoo Welcome rubeus ban When did you move to Dallas and the list goes on. On and on and on for V Allah Arabic Omar to cut the

rumble machine machinic renewable maugeri by Avi Allah your ob Kumar, taka devonne,

Moroccan Bahraini, Yasaka baignoire local

Baraka la Bahia

Subhana Allah who is doing this, all of this and they claim that it is not created.

It is all by an accident. So now we are we are we are I just want to make things simple. I don't want to get too complicated. So that masses people who are listening to this lecture can clearly understand my arguments and my view.

So they say there is no evidence even though there is so much evidence to point to a creator or designer, a sustainer a maintainer. Okay, there are so many signs pointing to. So why cannot Why can't we use science to

prove God because science is limited. Science has limited itself only to the natural world. The science will not address the supernatural. Science is only concerned with the physical world. Science is empirical. By nature, science only considers empirical evidence. Okay.

Science is not concerned with the metaphysical realities. Science is not concerned with the supernatural, do you understand? So science will not talk about miracles. Science will not talk about Jin, for example, science will not address the topic of angels. Science will not talk about revelation coming down.

Or science cannot explain evil and good.

Science cannot tell you what is evil. What is good science does not teach morality. It does not teach ethics. It simply looks at something and explains it naturalistically.

It doesn't go into the supernatural side of it.

Right. So a science cannot be used to prove God because God is supernatural. Allah is beyond nature. alized metaphysical, okay. alized transcendent Allah is beyond. Okay. So if science cannot prove God, how can we use science to disprove God?

So science cannot be used as it stands currently, according to the current philosophy of science in the Western world. It cannot be used to prove or disprove God because it doesn't even deal with the question of the supernatural.

And we as believers, we have a view that the supernatural exists. We believe the genes exist, magic is true. A lie exists, a lot of miracles. We believe these things, science has nothing to say on these matters.

And science cannot be used

to disprove these things.

Because Science does not give all answers. No scientist on the planet will ever claim that science can tell you everything.

No scientist will ever claim that

night that's the case. What do we do about Allah subhanaw taala God Almighty? How do we prove his existence?

By using simple philosophical arguments? Like Allah subhanaw taala used in the Quran? Not philosophy doesn't mean Greek philosophy. By the way, brothers philosophy, the word philosophy means knowledge, arguments, rationality. Allah uses arguments in the Quran. For example, when a lot of Allah is dealing with the incoherence of atheists, or when allies pointing a finger at the ultimate reality.

What does Allah say about the men of understanding a lot?

All Above all, above the men of understanding out of alignment, energy with some minor e.

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Rama Rama, kala kochava bartylla.

So Hanukkah cara de la la law.

Allah says here the men of understanding enough iE holcus Tamati will

walk the lovely lady when the har

IRT little Bob in the changing of the night and the day this is what a lot is telling us. This is a lot of argument.

God argument a lot argument in the in the changing of the night and the day which is mathematical right? Is mathematical is calculated. Like last season or an assumption will come through

the house bam. Now you tell me what what does the husband mean.

With measurements and the word hisab

hisab. What does word hisab mean? calculation right calculation, what we call cassava the word zombies accountability. Yes. It's the same group What is it an extra sob and hisab is the same root word in Arabic.

Yes.

So,

here Allah subhanaw taala is using this term B has been that the sun in the moon, they work according to a calculated system. And here are lesson in focused on walk you will walk the loving daily when the how and in the changing of the night and the day.

There are I art for who lives above for those who are men of understanding. So when men of understanding deep contemplation

you know, I believe Isaac Newton will lie when you read Isaac Newton. He was a Muslim without Islam.

If he had a proper undistorted

access to Islamic knowledge, he would become a Muslim. I have no doubt.

But because the books I am sure he was reading on Islam are so distorted, written at that time. For example, a biography on the province of Iceland was written by a man called

credo.

And the book was titled

The nature of imposture.

The title of the book was the nature of imposture, I actually have a copy of the original copy of it, it was published in 1698. Okay, then there was another man called Simon ockley, who published his works.

In 1708, he published his history of the services, the history of the Muslims basically, and in this he discussed the life of the problem, not not the life of the prophet in detail, but he discussed the life of a worker on earth man and the early Islamic conquest. In 1718. He also published another work called the history of the talismans. The first work was conquest of Syria, and then the second work epoch, so these people were writing a very distorted view of Islam. They were putting their own spin

They were looking at Muhammad Sallallahu sallam, you know, as an imposter. They were saying he was just a lion out of the villa, and Europeans, you know, those who are reading these books. These books were either written by orientalist or clergy, churchmen who did not

give a proper picture of Islam. A proper picture of Islam only came about or the it was written for the Europeans.

During the 19th century, there was a man called Devonport, who wrote a book titled an apology for Muhammad an apology from Muhammad Sallallahu sallam. He, he basically wrote about the loss of muscle and how it has been misunderstood by the Europeans. Then there was a man called

Thomas Carlyle, who had written a book titled hero worship. And one of the things one of the articles he wrote was on Prophet Mohammed Salah Salaam, and he said, He's one of the most honest people in European history. We never had a proper view on him. No one actually wrote objectively on him. And even in the 19th century, people like William Moore, who was an orientalist, serving in India, as a British political agent, he had written extensively on Islam and Muslims. On Islamic history, the view was immensely distorted. And same, exactly the same thing is happening right now.

The main source of information is what in the world today, back in the day, it was books.

People were readers.

In the 19th century, people used to read more books than they do today.

But today, the news has become your source of information. And Islam is more tarnished today than ever before in the history of humanity. You think people know more about Islam today? No, they don't. The media, the mainstream media, BBC, Sky,

CNN, NBC, Fox, Islam hating channels. Some of them are very explicit, others are not. Some are very subtle in the reporting, very careful in the wording. Others are explicit Fox News, you will get clear vibes of these people hate Islam and Muslims.

BBC will say it's subtle.

Right. This is the difference. Take this Turkish Coover as an example.

What happened in Turkey?

What happened? I was watching BBC News for almost three hours non stop. There were 1000s of people in Taksim Square, supporting arboga 1000s 1000s shouting Bismillah lai lai, La La walkabout 1000s. And BBC for three hours was showing one empty bridge with 20 soldiers standing on it.

And they kept saying the country has been taken by

the army saying they have taken the country and what the evidence, the evidence 20 soldiers on a bridge for three hours. And even that was taken away from the BBC, and people came and removed the soldiers from the bridge. And then they have nothing else to show. It took them more than 24 hours to say the coup is finally unsuccessful. The BBC.

This is how much

distortion that is taking place on mainstream media against Islam and Muslims, and even Muslim politics, Islamic politics.

What's happening in the Muslim countries is being distorted

openly.

So Allah subhanaw taala he says there are Signs for those who are men of understanding.

This is Surah Ali Braun was 190 and 191 190 and 191. Then who are these men of understanding? Allah explains Who are these men of understanding? You know, if you will have pride? You know, when you talk to a lot of these new atheists, I'm not talking about all atheists. Let me clarify. There are many atheists who are very good people with good hearts, and they are sincere they want to understand and some of them actually come back to theism.

There was a guy called Anthony flew

and flew

at Le W. I think that's how his name is spelled okay. He was an atheist for 60 years of his life.

And he was not only an atheist, he was

he was an enemy of religion, any religion. He used to debate people of religion, wrote books against religion and in favor of atheism.

60 years later, he gave up.

He came to theism he became a Christian. I think he didn't become a Muslim. But he left he abandoned atheism because he said, it doesn't make sense. No matter how hard you try, it just doesn't make sense. The evidence is overwhelming. It is in your face. Whether you look at things from an astrophysicist, physicist perspective, or whether you're looking at things from a biological perspective.

Where did the very the laws of physics come from? He asks this question.

People say the universe is run by laws of physics. That's what people say.

And these laws are random. But then he asked this question, are these laws themselves lawless? That's the question. This is all about.

This is contemplation thinking, who made these laws to run the universe in a pattern? According to a set pattern?

conditions are exactly right for your existence on this planet, who made these laws? Are these laws of physics law s themselves?

Are they? No, there is someone driving these laws, applying these laws implementing these laws for them to serve a particular purpose. So Allah subhanaw taala tells us who are the men of understanding Allah Dena Yes, Quran Allah, a woman who ruled and they remember a lot of

standing and sitting.

They remember Allah subhanaw taala why because they are aware.

What are they aware of? What are they aware of? This is a question because they are aware why

wha juubi him and on decides

whether they are standing sitting online

and he posture, these people, the men of understanding they remember of last Karbala and what do they do? Why are they like this? Why do they remember Allah, Allah standing sitting in line? Because we prefer Coronavirus called custom art, you will because they contemplate about the creation of the heavens and the earth.

barabara and then they say when they look at the heavens and the earth will lie Isaac Newton, for example, I keep going back to him. That's why I believe if he had a proper view on Islam, if someone gave him a good book on Islam, you know, he I don't think he would have remained a Christian or Unitarian.

He would have become a Muslim definitely.

Because when he looked at the solar system,

how it works, whatever limited observation he had, because things have moved on quite a lot. Since Newton's time. Science has moved. Newton's science is now primitive science. Okay, because that science was three centuries ago. Now we have bigger tools. We are more reasons to

to confirm what Newton Newton's conclusions were more reasons because it hasn't challenged Newton's

views on this matter haven't been challenged conclusively by anyone. He saw design in the solar system. He saw a fine tuning. You know, fine tuning is,

you know, a fine tuning is

your drive car, right?

Your car is finely tuned. It's fine tuned.

Right or wrong?

If you have three tires,

working fine. And the fourth tire is slightly slightly very slightly twisted.

Are you going to? Can you hit them? Can you hit the motorway?

No, that time will come apart slightly change the direction of the tripod literally military maybe less than an inch, it will fall apart. Like likewise the engine. If it's not tuned properly, it won't serve the purpose is made to serve. Right. Likewise the universe

as at large, and the solar system specifically is finely tuned to serve a very specific person, but purpose which is our life on this planet. Amazingly, there is as far as we know as humans so far so far. Because we haven't found anything else yet. Nothing on Mars, nothing on Venus, nothing on Pluto or other planets. We haven't found any life on other planets. Life is only our

arm.

That's why Allah Allah Allah. When he says here even in this worse, we are tougher Karuna fearful kiss Amati out

luggages for, for sama, Allah gives the plural, right? Yes or no? Why does it not give the plural for heavens? for heavens?

seven heavens are many heavens call it the multiverse theory as they say in science, you know, there are many universes, not one, there are many you know, there are more universe universe means one, one verse, okay? multiverse means many, many verses out there you know, there are other words, there is a theory in science is called the multiverse theory. Okay. Whatever it is, Allah specifically mentioned,

the thing as a single entity,

as a single entity.

Planet Earth is one is one thing. Why? Because this is where the life is. This is where humans, animals, insects, plants, habitation. The sun shines on us for a reason. You move the sun from its constant literally little bit. The sun from its constant, how far is the sun? Anyone?

How many millions of miles?

93 million?

Yes, 90 or less than 90 million miles away?

Or 100 million miles away? Let's say between 190? Approximately?

Can you imagine that distance? Can you ever Can you ever humans, all of you.

Like a loss isn't local on yamashiro? General is

what does the law say? yamashiro. is Dr. Marsha general is

all mankind and jinn penetrate the heavens, penetrate goal, go as you can. You cannot allow this whole time except by the permission of Allah subhanaw taala. So if you were to travel for the rest of your life, in a jet for the rest of your life, whether you're 17 years, 18 years or 90s in a jet traveling at 500 miles an hour, can you do this distance? Can you read the sun? 90 million miles away? Work it out? Work it out mathematically, if you're doing 500 miles an hour in object and how many hours is eight years or 70 years?

And multiply that by 500? How Many Miles will that make? It will not make 90 million miles?

You cannot reach the sun in your lifetime? Can you see it? Can you see it?

Can you see it brothers? Yes, yes, yes. In case you don't see it? Can you see it? With a naked eye? You can see the sun. So it's 90 million miles away? What does that tell you?

Can you see London for me? If I was to put you on the policy pillar in Cambridge.

Would you be able to see London?

with your naked eye?

From a naked eyes about 45 miles London? Yeah.

60 miles. Can you see London with your naked eye? No. And it's only 60 miles, but the sun is 90 million miles away.

And you can see it you can see it with the naked eye. What does that tell you?

What does that tell you? How big is the sun?

Huh?

It is gigantic. It is humongous. It is huge. You have no way to understand how big the sun is. And then the amount of energy the sun contains astrophysics. astrophysicists, actually, they.

They they actually claim that when the sun burns because it's burning continuously burning is not stopping. Its energy hasn't stopped for the last. Only Allah knows how long you know 1000s of millions of years. How however long Allah has added therefore

is continuously burning. And when it burns, obviously there are flares, explosions on the surface because it's so huge. You know, such a huge ball of fire burning continuously. It is having gigantic explosions on its surface. It's not like you're lighter or like your cooker. Okay, when you see your cooker, you see the flare, right? The fire you see the flare right. When the sun burns, there are explosions on the surface. One of those explosions is equivalent to approximately 200 billion. Listen carefully 200 billion atomic bombs

and how many do you need for this planet

not more than 50

You know, because two bombs destroyed completely two cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki, us about 50 bombs on this planet, Allah forbid, Allah forbid, and May Allah and Allah take away the capacity from these countries who have nuclear capacity, because they're very dangerous people with a lot of power in their hands, okay?

200,000,000,001 flare, one when it explodes the sun on the surface.

So that has immense power.

And if you move the sun, even those 19 million miles away from its constant, even slightly, few inches, a few feet, few meters, you would all cease to exist, you would die, immediately

you will die if the sun was moved from his constant where it is right now, a shanto wall kamaru because

this is the hisab This is the calculation of life talking about that if you move away from his position, you will die. You the humans will cease to exist. Either it will become too hot, or too cold. But your weather where you are, you know, you're not living in the desert. Are you

is checked from Saudi Arabia? Can you live in the desert in summer without any covering on top?

Or can you like likewise Can you go and live in Antarctica without any

protection? You can't. So Allah has given you both conditions to look at, look at the desert, so that you know what it looks like, what it feels like he has a desert, here is snow and you cannot exist in these conditions.

You are living in the milder part of the world. So as and when things start to get better the weather starts to get better the population starts to grow. habituated, you know, in Egypt, for example, when you fly over Egypt, you see the river Nile? Yeah. And on this side of river Nile greenery. Yeah, it's all green. On the other side, it's all green. But then after green was what comes immediately. red sand, red sand, desert, no green, the green Rhys green stopped suddenly. So as far as the water gets, you have life

and anything other than that, this is what I was talking about. That when people start to contemplate and start to think deep, then you start to say Rabbana masala, Allah, O Allah, O our Creator, our Lord, You have not created all of this bartylla you have not created all of this in vain. There is a purpose there is a reason why you have created all this. There is a reason so Hanukkah Hakuna Donna therefore, Glory me to you, the creator of all of this, this immense structure. Save us from your fire. Save us from your punishment, because you are the greatest lover but immediately the straight straight to the point *in Adana therefore hands for that reason,

protect us, save us from five.

In other words, Allah subhanaw taala where he deals with atheists directly asking them a rational question. People who deny or question the existence of Allah subhanaw taala is this very, very powerful verse in Surah? Surah 57 if I'm not mistaken, so the tour is a 57 not to miss 58 right.

Yeah. Two is

now 4852 5252 verse

35.

What does the law say? I will do the language on the regime. Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim.

I'm koliko minerais. Rishi and

I'm Holly cumin lady Shea in

our own those who say a lot does not exist. There is no creator, then Allah is asking. Okay.

Are they created from nothing? If Allah does not exist, if Allah does not exist, will you okay? Do you exist? Do you exist?

Do you exist? Yes, yes.

Are you sure you exist yet? Or do we exist? Now? We know we exist. Right? Okay. We we have no doubt in our right senses. We understand that we exist. Now the question is Where did we come come from?

Where did we come from? The answer would be from your parents. Where did they come from.

Keep going back. Keep going back.

And eventually you'll end up even scientifically though there was a scientific scientific theory, mitochondrial Eve, there was a very contested scientifically, I don't know how strong the theory is, but it existed that all humans actually come from one woman.

And she's called mitochondrial Eve. Might mitochondrial Eve, okay? Because all DNA is all,

you know, the when you trace it back when you take the humans back, they end up with one woman, and they claim that she was in Africa.

Okay, let's say let's assume that's true.

Where did she come from?

Where did she come from? Did she have the first child just just because she wanted to have a child? Does she have someone else to make it possible for her?

So they can trace it back to Eve? But they don't want to accept it?

They don't want to accept Adam. Adam. Without other you cannot have Eve cannot have a child? Yes or no? Right. So where do we come from? This is where I was asking. Um, Hola, como enviroshake? Where did you come from? Who created you?

Or why you created from nothing?

And will lie Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar people you know, sometimes they belittle the Koran. They don't actually read the Koran carefully, and don't contemplate on it. You see there go to this philosopher, that philosopher they say okay, this philosopher has better arguments for the existence of God and that philosopher additional people don't read the Quran. All these so called philosophical arguments for the existence of God, which are very powerful, by the way, because philosophers who are theists who believe in God have devised these arguments for the existence of God, what are the number one cosmological argument

that everything that begins

every turn everything that begins to exist has a cause? Okay, everything that begins to exist has a cause.

Then, there is an argument called design argument, the design argument, okay. The design argument is that the universe is designed then there is a fine tuning argument that now is not only designed, it is finely tuned to serve a particular purpose.

And that argument philosophically is called teleological argument.

Then there is an argument from consciousness, that consciousness we have consciousness, we have cognitive, we have cognitive ability, we make decisions, we make intelligent decisions, humans are intelligent beings, we create car we create watches, we create Mac, apple, Mac, we created cameras, right? So we make cognitive decisions. Where does this intelligence come from? Can this intelligence come from non intelligence?

Is that possible? Or origin intelligence can only come from superior intelligence?

It cannot come from non intelligence. That's another argument. Okay. argument from consciousness. Then, there is another argument called

argument for morality. You know, all of these arguments with the philosophers spent their lifetimes to build are in the Quran

or in the Quran, one verse will give you the entire argument here a lesson I'm wholly accumulating shame on homophonic wound or are they the creator? The ones who are claiming that there is no creator the ones who are claiming that there is no creator? Did were they created from nothing? Or are they the creators of themselves? So hon Allah

This is so powerful people who claim that there is no creator Allah is asking this question because there is a very simple logical common sense idea that out of nothing, what is nothing was nothing

you know, what nothing is? What is nothing?

If I give you nothing right now, in your hand, have I given you something nothing yet. So, nothing cannot turn into something can it? So out of nothing, nothing comes

out of nothing, nothing comes nothing is nothing, nothing produces nothingness. Okay. So here, am I saying I'm putting them in a very shame. Did you come from nothing to panelizer very powerful argument. Did you come from nothing? So the the idea is that you have come from something you have been created.

And that creator is Allah? Um, who will Holly cone or are they the creators? They are not the creators, are you? Did you create yourself? No, we did not create ourselves. We

When choose, do you choose your country,

your hair color, your looks your length, you know how tall you are

people who are born blond they want to go and have a tan on the sun, you know under the sun and people who are born with dark skin they want to go and use

the use trains to become lighter, nice and this is how you will this is human nature.

When people are made white or light skinned, they want to go and do sunbathing. You know there are so many people in summary who see you in the park lying on the floor, sunbathing Why? Because they want to get darker.

When you go to countries where people are darker there's a no i want i want lighter skin.

If you go to people you know countries have dark skin they want to get married to light skinned women.

And when you come to these countries or men are light skinned they want to go to those one license Well like I met brothers Muslim Brothers white convert brothers and they like black they want they want to get married to black sisters.

And I don't understand this

there is a brother I know I'm not gonna say his name you know Mashallah beautiful brother very well known but I there's another book. He goes I want I like Pakistani I want to get married to Pakistani woman I don't want to get married to

and then when you go to Pakistan, they want to get married to white women.

Or when you go to the Arabs there you know, Mashallah. So this is one of those things human nature. Allah has created with his own choice Allah chosen for us. We didn't even choose a color. That's why a lifestyle Allah is asking us to feel hungry. Now what Allah has given you say Alhamdulillah for whatever Allah has blessed us. So now next point Allah makes and I'm finishing very quick.

I'm holla kasangati. Will Bala you can own? Or are they the ones

who created the heavens and the earth? People who deny Allah are not the ones who created all this. So let's say I am the one who created all of this. That's why I like sort of Bukhara, inverse 116 117 and law states.

All the relationship angle regimes with him, but you're sort of what you would look for is aka Imran wydawca, Imran, for enema, hula hoops for yakun, that Allah is the one who initiated the heavens in the earth and Allah subhanaw taala used very specific language in law said but there are some that you will not hardly casati will focus on what you're not allowed to use these terms in the Quran as well. But here in this verse, but there are some articles out he is the one who initiated the process. He is the first cause an hour he is the one number one, you know what Aristotle when he was thinking when he was using his brain, he was thinking where did we come from? So, he said that the

first cause the door the starter, the initiator is the unmovable mover. He called you know, the Deity, the maker of the Creator on movable mover, because in order for him to move the process, he has to be himself unlovable. We don't believe that of course, we believe the last parent Allah, He is the mover and he is he can also move himself allies in the law, like Alicia in Korea, we believe a lot can do whatever is possible upon himself, Allah can do. Allah can do all things. Allah can do all things and things are very special, specific definition. Okay. In in Islam. So, this is another question which can be addressed at a different point. So the bottom line is the conclusion is my

brothers and sisters, those who those of you who are listening, it is very clear for the men of understanding that atheism is an incoherent idea. Okay. Primarily, it started as a reaction to what happened in Europe. Okay. And then it became a movement. And now it has been politicized. It is being pumped, pushed and

promoted by the global media, by educational institutions. A lot of the times when people start

their studies, they have a presumption, presumption is that Allah does not exist. So they start with a preconceived idea. They have already made the conclusion, you know, before they face the evidence, they have the conclusion already made in their mind that Allah doesn't exist. So whatever they find whatever they're doing the studies, their conclusion will remain the same. Allah does not exist, whatever happens, okay? Likewise, people of religion they start with this idea as well, no doubt, to be honest. Yet we believe that the creator exists.

And amazingly, our study confirms the fact that definitely there is a supreme being out there who has created all of this.

Our study does not lead us away from religion or from Allah, Allah from Islam and Islam.

And many atheists, who when they study in depth, themselves, come back to theism. Either if Christianity or Islam atheism does not make sense is incoherent is not going to look around. We're listening on philarmonic level Ricardo, Walker Dhawan and handler bellami. Any questions? rose? do you have? Anything you want to add? Say please?

Is it

one of the things that have been keeping atheism going?

Yes.

I think it's keeping the most of lay people

in a blind state towards the higher beam because they

may be told that in a

sense,

okay, the theory, the theory of evolution, the theory of evolution, the brothers asking about the theory of evolution, it has been one of the main reasons why a lot of people actually become atheists. In this current day and age, there are a number of things we can discuss on this issue. First of all, a lot of these biologists who are teaching the theory of evolution are themselves atheists, a lot of them are atheists, okay. So when they teach that teach with this view in the mind, so they have this preconceived idea, and a lot of evolutionists, a lot of biologists are actually not atheists.

Not evolution, is a naturalistic theory. So, somewhat, because science does not have a religion. science does not have a god. Science is simply when you see this thing, you just want to explain it. Where did this Where did this come from? Okay, so when science looks at the evidence of human existence, and they look at similarity between humans and chimpanzees, for example, okay, they see the similarity between the DNA. So they assume that jumped to the conclusion that because there is striking similarity in human genome, and chimpanzee or chimp genome,

they must be a common ancestor. That's the assumption. Okay. And, scientifically, it's not a problem. In the language of science, it's not a problem. Okay? We don't believe in it, because science does not give us It doesn't fill the gaps. For example,

when we start to accept

Darwinism as a plausible theory, questions arise, for example, So was this change gradual one specie what we call macro evolution, you know, evolution is of two types. By the way, very quickly, I want to explain macro and micro micro evolution, we have no problem with slight changes

caused by environment and caused by interracial marriages and things like that. We have no problem with that. This is called micro evolution, slight changes within species, okay. But macro evolution, for example, a fish walking out of the sea, for example,

right, or a fish turning into a crocodile

or a dog turning into a monkey completely different species. We have no evidence for it, no hard evidence for it. so far. Even the fossil record, the fossil record of species we have found so far, even from the Cambrian period, which is half a billion years ago, the

the oldest specie we found found is turbines. These are completely formed species, they emerge in the fossil record suddenly. Okay, so as far as I remember, as far as I know, this is not my field. By the way, I'm not an expert on evolution. But as far as I've studied,

I know that there is no solid evidence, hard evidence for macro evolution, one species turning into another species, although this is what evolution claims, this is exactly what evolution claims and there are problems even within the theory, okay. So, when people use the theory to claim that evolution is a fact, you have to ask them which evolution are they talking about macro or micro? Okay, when they claim macro evolution is a fact that tell them not to give you stories from national geography. It was it was that channel called national geography

Is that what the channel is called, they will show you, your amazingly they accused the people of religion, for believing in stories.

You are a people who are backward because you believe in all these stories from the past or profits. Or when you go to these people, they believe in a story of this caveman who looks like half monkey half human walking around, you know that this is actually there is no evidence for it. They haven't found any of these cavemen, they have made this, this is an imaginary story. This is an American story. There was a there were cave people living somewhere. And this is how they talk. These are the dressed and these are the walk and these are the birth fire. And you know, they started to you know, I remember in my school in Pakistan, when I was taught this theory at school, and I was reading a

story that how did humans discover fire? And the story was, one caveman threw the stone and the stone hit another stone, and the spark came and it burned the grass and he, you know, where the hell did the story come from?

Who said this story is made up. It's a theory is made up. We believe that Allah

taught other Malays Salaam, the names of all things he needed to know. Yes, we believe we landed with this knowledge on Earth. It has not acquired knowledge. It has given God given a lot of the knowledge humans have it is God given. We came with certain qualities, certain dispositions on this planet.

And again, we can talk on and on about this yet. So the point is, this story of the crocodile, or something, something walking out of water turning into a crocodile is a fake forged. It's a myth. It's not real. They don't know how it happened, what happened? They don't know the details, there's a huge gap. There's a huge gap. And before the question is before they even talk about evolution, which is still being studied, and it is a very strong theory, no doubt among scientists is a very strong theory, scientists based upon their assumptions, what they have studied in the microscope, and otherwise, they believe it is plausible theories. Okay.

But we asked them this question, show us solid evidence of macro evolution. Okay, if it doesn't exist, then we suspend judgment, we suspend judgment, okay. And we wait for the evidence when the evidence is conclusive that we will talk the evidence is not conclusive, as far as I am concerned.

And the people are spoken to some of them are scientists For example, one of them I spoke to and he said there are heavy assumptions involved

sign people of science or new atheists accuse you of making assumptions about God, they themselves are making assumptions, heavy assumptions in science, they make one plus one equals five so it works. So they put one thing here another thing there and then they make up the story in between

so it's a very vast topic inshallah we can discuss it on another time. Anyone else please.

Nice, knowledgeable talk.

I discuss mostly those at least with in those who says

we love the humanity, okay.

humanity's their ego and their

main argument is that thing sometimes when we talk about the oneness of God Almighty, they said okay, when you see we will go to the mokka they there is three symbol when we throw the stone as a site down in the heart,

okay, they said okay, you are missing you throw the stone to the site down, there is the shutdown. So we Hindu, we will see God in this in the form of stone. Okay, so what do I mean? How can you check on this? So tell them to throw stones at the items? So if there is

a God, no, if if they're if they're using this logic that we are throwing stones at an idol, you know,

shape on

and they say that that's why we worship a stone, likewise, but tell them to start throwing stones at the idols and see if that's considered. The fact that we're throwing stones at this

wall or this rock is not actually to worship and to actually do concert with the You don't deserve to be worshiped.

You know, you are something rebuked. We believe it's a symbolic gesture. Okay? They're trying to use the same thing. Same idea that we worship these idols symbolically. Okay, there is no real God in that idol. They didn't even know that. Okay? There is no real God in the idol. Do we use it as a symbol? Right? But there is no comparison because we are actually throwing stones at that symbol of Shelton and it doesn't symbolize God. It's actually symbolizes a place where an incident took place. And we do it to commemorate the actions of red people such as Ibrahim and a smile alayhis salam there's the

word connection the same time when you go to the Makkah and you Muslim people kiss the stone is a stone Yeah. Which is the same stone you sometimes spot sometimes you kiss in love? Yes. No, why we kiss the stone is it was it was answered by American photographer a long one who said that when he looked at the stone, he said, You are nothing you cannot benefit me You cannot harm me. I only kiss you because the Messenger of Allah Allah Islam. So we as Muslims attribute no value whatsoever to the stone. Our value in kissing the stone is the action of the Prophet. We are simply obey obeying the prophet like Abdullah Rama, when he walked into the Kaaba. He asked Bilal, where did the

provisional law Islam pray, he said in that spot, he went exactly to that spot and prayed to Raka. So

the point here is following the promise of loss limits of discipline, we are following, not the stone, the stone has no value for us. It has no value. It can be broken, it can be destroyed, it was actually destroyed. At one point, what are people kissing nothing. You can take the Kaaba, the building the brick means nothing is the place is the place we're going around the Kaaba because Rasulullah taught us to go around the Kaaba. If you took all the bricks of the Kaaba, will the cover disappear? No, it will be the same place you can't even if you dig Makkah, for example, yeah, you were to cause a cataclysmic event there or something yeah. Or dropped a nuclear bomb on maka maka

will still remain in the same place. Makkah will not go anywhere, it will still have the same value for us. Even if the building doesn't exist.

You see the point okay, so the the the value is in the place and in the following of the progress on the lifecycle not the object the object means nothing to us.

You see, that's that's the point.

Anyone else? I think we should stop now. My journey to London should begin very soon inshallah walkers I wanna and hungry