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Guru Nanak, Sikh History and Islam – Adnan_Raj

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Adnan Rashid

Channel: Adnan Rashid

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01_10_2017

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Someone who prayed five times a day I did not compromise this at all on faith. We know that person was actually truly following the prophet of Islam. Ayesha was one of them. We have no reasons to doubt ISIS character, because Isaiah was very diligent in her worship. So what is she is the character, she has have a completely different tradition, or no, no, no, no.

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I like the Shia brothers or no division. Okay.

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believe about Jesus.

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On the cross. Yes. And that kind of thing. Yeah. I'm just curious what it says in the Quran about the cow. No, no. Jesus Christ is in the Quran. Yeah. So just want you to elaborate a little bit just on what they say about that certain instance in the Quran says he was not killed, he was not crucified. Okay, we'll stop here.

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In chapter four, verse 157 259, it clearly categorically states evil when the Israelites claimed that they killed him. Yeah, because the Jewish people at the time claimed that they were the ones responsible for his his punishment as an imposter, as a liar because they claimed he was a liar. Okay. And the Quran says their claim that they killed him is a lie. Okay, because he was not killed. He was not crucified spirit. English, which was now going into another discussion. How do you distinguish between a true story, which will officially go and watch there are hundreds of debates between myself and other people, and then debating this topic? Did Jesus die on the cross? Oh, yeah,

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do that. So do we need to start the conversation? Fresh? No, no, no, no, we were discussing something about Prophet Muhammad. So I'm gonna make the case that, like I said, that I show was it. I don't know what I'm saying. Is

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it just for argument's sake, I don't believe Mohammed was perfect. But for argument's sake, let's say he was perfect and infallible from making mistakes. Now, my issue with the Hadees and not necessarily the Quran, is that you have a situation where you have say, like me, and you're in a room and there's no third party. You may be just say, for argument's sake, I know trigger warning, please. Your Mohammed. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

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Mama is

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actually having a conversation with Mohammed. Yeah. Mohammed has given us some revelation from God, which is amazing. Yeah, she is, do you agree that I say is it before we go on is Ayesha fundable to make mistakes? Yes. So what can make it so what would happen if when I she leaves the room? Yeah, she goes to a third person. And then she says that important? Mohammed says this, but she has made mistakes. Yeah. into portation. Yes. So the message originally may have been right. Yeah. But the interpretation is it goes to the third person becomes corrupted. That's a very long chain of narration. Yes, that's a very good point you made, you know, just with the I was the only source of

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Islam or any of the leaves or any of the very good point you make. Now, this is why I asked you this question, have you actually studied the science on Mondays? Because when you do, you come to realize that some of the reports of the Prophet

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become so

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how can I put

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so much,

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multi multiplay attested, that they become impossible to be false or alive? I'll give you an example. Let's say I say something. And then another companion comes along. He confirms what I just said. But he wasn't in the room, though. He wasn't in the room. So how can he confirm? Okay, about what I just said, okay, it's still a third person, this is right, unless he was physically in the room, right? He cannot 100% say so. She, you know, the Arabic language is very complicated and has multiple words or multiple meanings to particular words. All she has to do is to say one word wrong. Or one she's a human being. Obviously she's fallible. So the science is very fluid. No, it's not.

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The word flawed, you you are you are sinking the ship just because you see,

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the fault, maybe or the way you see it, you see the fault, maybe a scratch on the body of the ship, we should run the ship. No, it doesn't work like that the ship the vessel is still floating for me.

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Certain things I should have said, For you raised a very, very valid point. No doubt is an intelligent point. Certain things because of that reason, because I showed the logo on her. She was alone in having certain opinions and other companions of the Prophet who had heard from the Prophet complementary information, which corrected Ayesha, they rejected what I just said. For example, one of the views I held was that

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giving milk to a child a certain amount of times a friend a certain number of times, that child becomes your mom. Mahara means that you no longer have to cover yourself from him. It becomes your You're like a son like you're a foster son. So how do we how do we establish

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foster relationships with a child or with a person. I had one view, and others other companions that didn't accept it. They said no, sorry, I was mistaken. There was no, of course, they said she made a mistake. She had an error in judgment. She would when someone makes a mistake, if Raj makes a mistake, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna say that.

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Right. So we have this mechanism in the science, okay, it's not as blind as I just said it a lot. You know, we

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we have a system, where the reports of the profits of a multiplayer tester, he had over 100,000 companions. And out of those 100,000, we know 10,000 by name, 10,000 of them, we know them by name, we know who they were, where they came from, what they did, and how long they lived. The last one to die, died in 110. His name was Ahmed Abu tofail. Okay, he died. And 110 exactly a century after nearly 99 years after the prophets dead. When the Prophet was alive. He was nearly 10 years old.

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When prophet died, and he lived for nearly 100 910 years old, okay.

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So we know exactly when they failed, what they preach what they thought. And amazingly, when they preach something like aboubaker would say, I heard Prophet saying this, this this, did anyone else hear this? and 12345 people who can answer your question can see the point? Or do you understand how are

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your let me just clarify something, I am not going to contest that this free people in the room, that you can claim that that source is reliable, what I'm trying to say to you and I want a percentage from yourself that you might know how many other deeds are just from one person with Muhammad alone? How many of them are is happening in a percentage is at 10%? Because those have been will be unreliable to certain degree? No, not necessary? Because unless, you

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know, you're admitting that I shine anybody else apart from Prophet Mohammed is fundable. Yeah. So if they fallible, they could make tiny mistakes. So if they were to come out, which they did, unless you agree they did. So even ones that you can do, how do we know they made mistakes? How do we know them? Because it contradicts the Quran? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's because other companions came forward. And they gave the remaining information, but this is what was missing. So what we did, what we do is we have almost about five to 6000 reports from the Prophet.

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Okay. Without repetitions. For example, if you pick a book already, which is our tradition, which has changed, I'll give you an example. What do we mean by change? Bukhari? You're right, wrote in the late or the early third century, okay. of Islam. Bukhari was writing at that time, and you were thinking, hold on a second record is two centuries apart from the Prophet, how can you get this information? Right? Very good point, because he took this information from teachers who were taught by their teachers, and they were taught by their teachers, and they were taught directly by the prophet. And this was public knowledge. People were taking this knowledge publicly delivering it

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publicly. Right. For example, Bukhari had a teacher called Abdullah in use of Abdullah and use of thought Buhari when he was in his 80s or 90s. He was a very old man. Okay.

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I'm still having use of took his knowledge from a man called Moloch. benign and malignant and has also lived a very long life. He was born in 93 or 9483, and died in 179. So he lived nearly 80 Plus, how much is that? 80 plus 86 year old Moloch was taught by nothing. Nothing was a teacher, Malik and nafi was taught by Abdullah bin Omar Abdullah bin Omar was taught directly by the prophet, this is an uninterrupted chain.

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You explained, okay. This is an uninterrupted chain of teachers who are teaching publicly passing on to tradition. Okay, now this is one chain one chain Bukhari has hundreds hundreds, okay, not gonna change because he has three, three people between him and him and the Prophet. Very quickly. I'm finishing now. Yeah, Bukhara teacher called monkey. Ebrahim. Okay, monkey. Abraham had a feature called you see the blue be obeyed. Okay. It just needs to be obeyed, had a teacher called Salma Aqua, who was a direct Companion of the Prophet sallallahu sallam. So prophet thought thalamotomy laqua. Aqua taught is he'd been using

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a view bait, and is he taught his student Makino of Ebrahim and Maki taught Buhari, three people between Bukhari and Prophet Muhammad, and all three of them. They lived long lives over 70 years old. So when you do the calculation, you come to realize actually historically, they did live between this period and if they if each one of them is 70 to 80 years old, can easily teach history.

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And then if student and then recording or electronically, we have carried out meticulous research into these topics, we have delicately delicately checked every single report, every single word of Heidi's literature has been turned upside down. And you know who the first people are to cost, cost aside certain controversial reports, right? Because they cannot reach the level of certainty we require for our religion, our own scholar, and a Muslim scholar, speaker, if we apply that standard,

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I'm gonna go back to the source. Yeah, you have one individual in a room with Mohammed, there is no third person. Yeah, the person that Muhammad is talking to, if you believe that Mohammed is perfect, then obviously you can say what Muhammad said was perfect. But if the person who's saying it to is imperfect, and then leave the room, and then speak to somebody else, and Miss translate for misrepresents what he says, and I'm going to say, I'm going to put on never thinking that he's into it, so you can kind of mix it mix it up trigger warning, again. I understand that I shot Yeah, had issues with one of the one of the key leafs that was later on there was a bit of kind of political

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intrigue within the water bottle. is they as a person and we believe I was wrong, as a fallible human being. I've had some distrust or hatred. Yeah. May her interpretations that Mohammed said, them be kind of construed to suit her narrative. She actually did not follow the prophet in this prophet had specifically warned her so she lied. No, you're

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no, no, no, no, look, if someone makes an error of judgment doesn't make that person a liar. How simple is that? Raj? Is that difficult to understand? If you make an error of judgment? Am I saying law rod Europe, liar to talk about? Yeah. in Punjab,

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Punjab.

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She was purposely lying. No, we've never we have never believed that we will never believe that. But I knew because the Prophet peace be upon him. Anyone who professed belief in prophet and how do we know this person professors believe in the Prophet, someone who was very diligent in his worship, someone who prayed five times a day and did not compromise this at all on faith. We know that person was actually truly following the prophet of Islam. Ayesha was one of them. We have no reasons to doubt ISIS character, because Isaiah was very diligent in her worship. So what is she is the character, she does have a completely different tradition, or no, no, no.

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I like the Shia brothers or no division. Okay? The she has have a completely different view on Islamic history.

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That's why earlier when I said the Sikhs have, you know, made up stories, or let's

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give me an example. This is a discussion right? So I can say what I want. Sikhs have made up stories around the deaths of the two of the guru sons, right? The detail how they spoke to the grandmother, how dignified they were. They, they refused.

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They refused. They refused to bow to the Mughal pressure, they did not convert to Islam. Okay, all of these details are impossible to ascertain. They're impossible to ascertain Why? Because we do not have any independent. Even the Sikh tradition casts doubt on these stories. There are Sikh historians who said these stories I'm sorry, we're sorry, we can't really trust them.

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I said to you that I agree that the distortion can happen over history. Yeah. And that people can exaggerate just like that.

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Just like the shears have carved so many stories around Russia, no, no about

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generally. Okay. Now because she's done no narrations and she is distrustful okay? So how do we know what she said when she was alone in the room when Mohammed when she walked out Mohammed could have been the greatest person in the world and talked from God directly and said well you have no reason when when I should got the message. She is a human being who's fallible and some shears say that she's actually

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insincere and maybe even dishonest she may have walked out and then said something that Muhammad didn't say and now that is a narration yeah no claim against us.

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I'm just talking about cheese and a human being that had by

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understand completely ignored what I said earlier. Even if your argument was valid for argument's sake, I like to see territory to gain territory you know, we have this tactic you can call it a mobile tactic a

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turkey or not, okay, by the way, let me clarify something about Turkey okay. Okay, Ron Paul Can you know be educated on this and put this idea to rest forever once and for all? We the Sony's okay? Do not believe in tequila. We don't believe in tequila, tequila, the way that she has believe in it. For example, what is tequila? tequila is deliberately lying.

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To hide the truth to avoid trouble that's what I'm here to put it in very simple terms we the Sony's we do not believe in, we believe is cowardice, we believe is cowardice. If you study the history of our Imams, some of them were tortured for years by the kings and they didn't do Takia okay. Okay, so tequila, tequila is something which is done under for example, if someone is about to be killed, and the life is threatened, and someone is asked for example, to say something insulting to the prophet or the Quran to unlock so that you can save your life like wonder you know, what's happening in in northern India, I mean, Hindu mobs are catching Muslim men and women and they are beating them

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insane asking them to say JJ Sriram JJ Sriram Yeah, if you don't say you will die. So these some of these Muslim poor men, you know, who are surrounded by this mob of bulls and, and hyenas, they have to say this right? To save their life. This in this case, the Quran is a verse that if you have said a word of a word of disbelief, to save your life, there is no harm on you so long as there is a man in your heart. Okay, wait Nakia is when there is no threat. No one is threatening you. No one is saying anything to you. You come and lie and and the shears do this. We don't the Shia are a minority sect in Islam. Okay. We as Muslims believe it is a cult. It is not part of mainstream the

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llama Shia brothers though. So

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I met them. The shears have their own view. And we have no pro there. They have chosen to follow a particular path. We have no problem with that. But I think she is all I want to get into this sec. But I think she is a bit more cut, more easy to talk to and easier to kind of like, discuss about religion, and maybe they're a bit more kind of unknown, not so dogged in their approach, when I speak to see as I seem to get a different viewpoint, and I'm much more tolerant. That's just my view. And Sophie, have you found me?

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Have you found me bigoted? No, but generally, I'm Sunni. Otherwise,

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my best to be? So So don't don't use this. red herrings. Let me give you an analogy. If you've got a dog, I'm not comparing Muslims to dogs. But just an analogy, you got a dog and a dog.

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Like a dog is because they can be used. You have a horse.

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Okay, so are you the camel?

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Okay, but don't

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let me just say

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exactly how some courtesy you mean?

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He's using dog as an example.

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You just don't like dogs in this analogy. I love dogs. If I if I compared you with dogs, how would you feel? If I did a comparison between you and dog? How would you feel? You would say to me have some courtesy. sake of an argument? Yeah, I'm saying if you got a dog and a dog, when you try and pay, it bites you 50% of the time? Yeah, you're gonna be more kind of apprehensive about a knife, the dog licks you and it kind of protects you 90% of the time, you're gonna be more kind of appreciative and so when I mean she is I tend to have that reaction.

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I like dogs. No, I'm saying. No, I'm saying.

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No, I'm saying no, no, no, no.

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I would never use

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that. That's, that's, that's gonna say something. We'll discuss.

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dodgy

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stuff. You love dogs. We don't hate dogs. So you're you're you're saying is different. We don't say a horse bites me. We don't love them. We don't love them. We don't hate them. I don't use a sheep. I can't use a pig. I can't use a thing. I've got to use an animal that combines Yeah, parent, parents buy all my boys a parent gonna do us a parent. So

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try not to be

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trying not to be

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a discussion. Have some courtesy. Have some fun, brother. Thank you. Okay, so, going back to our discussion. Going back to discussion. So coming back to our discussion on eco Muslim dogs. You guys are great, man. I'm just using an analogy that this guy can't understand.

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Every week you come you make yourself look bad.

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Can you go back to your earlier mode, the friendly mode, the decent Raj mode, okay. And also sometimes this comes out.

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I can get angry and I can come up with things you you will start cooking it you know you start smoking.

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People I don't want to make Sikhs angry out there. I love the Sikh people. I am I want to reach out to them. I want them to know that there are Muslims out there who really love and respect you despite all the history. And I don't want to go through the history despite all the ugly history we have. Okay, I want to make sure

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There is a good example of the Sikhs and the Muslims out there. And don't be a bad example for the

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dogs as an example, they could have a Tony Robbins saying you know what? I won't forget them. There are idiots out there.

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You got a two minute video of me maybe like some supervillain. What do you want me to do? When you work with when you work with racists?

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When you work with racist scumbags like Tommy Robinson,

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or EDL, and I agree with him Oh, yeah, you know, if then agree, if they had the chance, if they had the chance, they would shave your beard off and shave your head off as well. If they had the chance

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to they hate you as well agree with Islamophobia is the new face of racism today. Islamophobia. And racism is the same fate. The two sides of the same coin

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are nice to each other.

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Yeah, let's go.

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Talking about epistemology, the theory of knowledge. How do we reach the source of the and and the Sikh tradition? Because the Muslim tradition? As long as we don't have a claim that the Hadees are 100% accurate or certain things? I'm saying the tradition doesn't mean that the standard is using against me. If you say no, to me, something's perfect. I want to give an analogy to these guys. Can I can I just say one thing before we can start? Yeah, I'm an artist. Yeah. If I put a drawing up here, and I just left it here, people will go past and appreciate the drawing for what it is. Now I put the same drawing here. And I said, this drawing is perfect. What do you think would happen?

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People would come over and they would criticize the drawing? The poor Matt Muslim Joe, you're making claims that things are perfect. And then you're you're upset when people are criticizing or finding flaws in it? So if you write First of all, first of all, Raj, let me correct you. I never said the Muslim tradition is perfect. Number one is out to Carissa Dean school perfect from Isaiah. They're all authentic. There is a difference between fiction in that is something imperfect can be authentic. Okay, so there's a distinction between authenticity and perfection. So you need to get your terms right. Second second point I want to make is that I'm not getting upset. You think you

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guys need to let the let the viewers decide. Am I getting upset? Am I getting angry? No, I'm not. I'm very calm. I really came with my mind made up that if I come across Raj, I'm going to request from Raj to have a proper discussion and I can talk and you can talk without interruption. So coming back to the Sikh tradition where it all started. When you actually scrutinize the Sikh tradition as these stories seek. I'm actually

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gonna start talking about Sikhs. Raj wants to completely

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Wait, wait Rajahmundry Wait, wait, Raj, would you take it and read through history? It's got my drawings in there. So I okay. Raji, little Do you know little Do you know, I have read sources on Sikhs, you haven't read? I was last night, right? Last night last night. This morning. Actually, not right now preparing out of interest. I'm always reading, okay. I mean, I have a book in my pocket here on mobile history. So the fall of the Mughal Empire I'm reading on all the time. It's the later Later Mughal period. So I'm always reading. So last night, I was reading the Sikh history compiled by McAuliffe. McAuliffe was an English gentleman who had converted to Sikhism, and he wrote a

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sympathetic history of the Sikhs in six volumes, five or six volumes, published by Oxford University Press in the year 1909. And it is considered to be one of the most authoritative histories of Sikhs. I mean, I don't know what's wrong with this lady. I think she's,

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she's making noise. Okay, so

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I've read the sources, Roger, perhaps because when I talk to you, I realize that you haven't actually read about your own tradition. You don't know about it. Okay. A lot of these stories about the gurus, children being killed, or Guru tegh Bahadur being killed, executed, and the miracle he performed and he said, I have put this piece of paper in my my neck and when you will chop off my neck, you won't be able to chop it off. It will be a miracle and orange, they've said Bring him to my court. And we will see the guru do this miracle. And when they put the sword to his neck, right? His neck got chopped off. The Guru died. Okay. And when they open the paper, the piece of paper, it

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was written on paper. He Wait, wait, wait. Yes, I agree. Raj. Let me finish. I'll tell you what I believe in and what I don't believe in it. Okay. I know Guru tegh. Bahadur was definitely killed by the Mughals. No doubt, there is our doodle play games, we will tell you exactly how it is okay. I don't believe the stories around his person when he was killed before he was killed. The miracle for example, that orange a volunteer was there in his court. He was brought there in the court of orange a volunteer, and then he was told to perform the miracle and he said, I have this paper in my neck. You know, I'm wearing it, you won't be able to chop off my neck. So, organization. Okay. Let's see

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the miracle. They, as they struck his neck, his neck came off. He was finished. He was decapitated. Okay.

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And then they open the paper in the paper it was written that I have given my neck, but not my face. Okay, you know I'm translating it into English. Right now this story. It has so many problems with it. First of all the Mughal Emperor, Aurangzeb didn't have the time to deal with Guru tegh Bahadur in this way, because what the Sikhs don't understand and realize is that at this period, early on in Sikh history, the Sikhs were a minor menace for the Muslims in the Punjab region for the mobile sorry, not the Muslims for the moguls moguls, who are Muslims who happen to be Muslims, right? The moguls, orange LMG had conquered 95% of India. He had bigger threats to deal with, such as the

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Murata. The rajputs. Okay, who were actually real powers. These guys were huge. The military strength was huge. Right? So orange, a volunteer was busy fighting them 24 years of his life orange, a volunteer spent in South India in Aurangabad. Okay, because he couldn't move back to the north. He didn't come back to the daily the city of Delhi because he couldn't come back because he was. So when Amazon when when the battles I'm finishing right now, when the battles were happening between Guru Gobind Singh and his armies and the Mughals, orange zabe was down in South over 1000 miles away, having no idea what the hell is happening in Punjab. He had appointed his governors, and he

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would give them instructions to deal with problems as you deem fit, suppress the rebellions because the Sikhs were traveling the countryside. The Mirage was riding in the south, okay, so there were many problems, or they didn't have the time to sit and watch Guru tegh Bahadur anakinra being executed. So all of these stories have huge problems with the whole dialogue, right? So let me just say, I don't consider myself an expert on Sikh history or Sikh faith. I've only come back to my favor and four years ago, so what are you talking about? You're talking about Islam, not the size of God, we, when we talk about Sikh religion.

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I'm not an expert. I'm

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not an expert in Islam.

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But

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ignore

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me. I can come to speaker's corner and talk and have free speech. You can say whatever I want.

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I want the team to come down here and have a conversation with admin. The thing is, you're diverting the conversation to something else. So let me put it back in how am I divert?

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I am saying, Roger, you have no idea about your own religion, the secret?

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Self confessedly, you can question you don't know anything.

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I did not say that. I said, I am not an expert. Are you an expert in

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asking me legitimate questions about the scientific reliability of the site

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to do a comparison between she can comparison but what I'm saying to you, yeah, is that you're droning on about secret.

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I love the beginning man. Scary. Yeah. Like some supervillain man. You

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get beaten up, though, because that knows nothing. I think Raj.

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Raj is coming closer to us.

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I believe I believe the more Raj will talk to us, the more he will come close to them, because we the Muslims, you see the guru of what the reason why I keep going back to Guru Nanak. Ji is Guru Nanak Ji is considered to be the founder of the Sikh religion Guru Nanak Ji, okay. He was a man who was born in a Hindu family from the Kashmiri background. Okay. And he was born in the territory of Pakistan in the Punjab region. He was born in Pakistan Guru Nanak Ji, and he was

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willing to give me one minute

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you need to let me tell you will you will come on do

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you want me to be abrasive Roger, the nice rod. I've got a split personality

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can be very nice if you treat me as how I treat you. I'll be nice. Thank you right. Thank you. Let me talk you 50 knology in clear words, said that Prophet Muhammad was a prophet of God. Guru Nanak Ji said that and my request from the Sikh community is that if you are truly Sikhs, and I believe you are, okay, and if you truly love Guru Nanak Ji, and if you truly follow Him, then Guru Nanak Ji said Prophet Muhammad was a prophet of God. And if Guru Nanak Ji is telling the truth, if he is right in what he is saying, then Sikh religion as we know it today cannot be from God because Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet of God,

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as he himself said it and Guru Nanak Ji said that he was a prophet. You see the contradiction here.

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Not gonna see if the Sikhs really want to follow Guru Nanak Ji then they must follow Muhammad okay if they don't want to follow proper nama convert my Sikh brothers never gonna happen and maybe one Sikh that's completely How do you know that? Oh, let me just say there are people watching how they may be thinking, dude, let me just say something. For me. I've never contested any of this are sent to you in the evening.

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The I believe that Islam has a lot of truth in it. But

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he said he was a prophet of God. Yeah, I've even said that.

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Let's talk about that. Let's talk about the

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Prophet Muhammad is a prophet of God, what does that mean? You need to let me talk, man, you want me to get

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to know you need to let me talk. Can Can you respond?

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To me?

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Please? I have a question. If a prophet of God What does that mean? We believe you, I believe, and I wonder if there is a lot of flaws in Islam. Yeah. But we do believe that is truth in it. Can you not understand that? He didn't say, it doesn't matter what you think would not and he said, What did he say? Let's talk about it. That Islam if you're he's a be a good Muslim be good Hindu. Prophet Muhammad was a prophet of Allah. He was. What does that mean? Let's talk about if Guru Nanak Ji said, Prophet Muhammad is a prophet of God, what does that actually mean? Hold on, hold on. But what did I say to you? Yeah, I believe there was corruption in the Hadees. Who cares?

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Right like Guru Nanak. Has it criticizes Islam as well. Not Islam Muslim.

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To be a Muslim guru, not

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saying he's telling I am not saying Guru Nanak Ji was a Muslim peace, ultimate belief in reincarnation? Yeah, it's completely against Islam. Why would he tell seeks to become you tell me Then why is he saying he's a prophet?

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Believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God, I can't believe Jesus was a prophet. believe Jesus was the Son of God.

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We don't believe that. We don't believe he was the son of God or Eva.

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So I can believe that. Yeah, it doesn't mean that everything that Prophet Muhammad did or said he was infallible man to me, right. Okay, he might have made mistakes. What, in my opinion, are factually incorrect in certain places, may have been altered by political reasons. Yeah, I understand. So for me when it's good, not saying that, you know, Mohammed is appropriate. I'm following Mohammed. He's saying to the Muslims to follow Mohammed not to anybody else. He said, the Hindus to be Hindus. And he said, the Christians to be Christians, is hard for Muslims to understand. But Sikhs don't believe in a heaven and hell like you do. We believe everyone can attain

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heaven. You, you, you even if I criticize you, I think you're a bad person, or I don't agree with Islam. It's your deeds that are going to send you not your faith. Sure. Yeah. So this is a hard concept for non Muslims, to for Muslims to understand, because when I say I criticize Islam, they probably think I'm saying you're going to help like Christians say, I don't say that. I believe you can go to heaven, you can go to heaven for your deeds, not for your faith. But I truly believe that the Quran that Hadees and so something has happened along the way for for political reasons for mistranslations that the Quran and the Hadees are not 100% correct. And I believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji

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knew that as well. And this is why criticize Islam as well. Okay, now you finished. I'll talk now, first of all, you said the Guru Nanak Ji was not a Muslim, and I accept that he was not a Muslim, although a lot of Muslims tried to claim that he was a Muslim, he died a Muslim because he believed in certain aspects of Islam. And what we know of Guru Nanak Ji is that he said clearly, that Prophet Muhammad was a prophet and Muslim should follow it you acknowledge that already. Now, my my, my problem with this notion is that if Guru Nanak Ji is junk guru, to translate it into English that means guru for the whole world, or guru guru for humanity.

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Guru means I'm a

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speaker. So if Guru Nanak Ji, Guru, Guru guru now who came for the whole world, okay, if that's the case, then Guru Nanak Ji making the statement is that is that Prophet Mohammed

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a true prophet of God You can trust me with it, man. Okay, Raja unit nothing's gonna happen. Are you listening?

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Are you are you

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Raj, are you listening? Like I was pleased, okay. So, if Guru Nanak Ji came as jug guru, which means guru for the whole world of Guru for humanity, then why is he telling the Muslims to remain Muslims forum hammered if you want to be successful, it doesn't make sense. It's like Prophet Mohammed coming to people and saying, I am a true prophet of God. Follow me you will have success. And also those who are Christians follow Christianity, you will also have success. You will also have success if Jews remain Jews. And if you become good Hindus, for example, follow your scriptures you will. What's the point of Prophet Muhammad coming and preaching in the first place, just like that Guru

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Nanak Ji is saying follow Muhammad

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Follow him if you want to be good.

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Yeah, so So no, no, that means Guru Nanak Ji didn't come for the Muslims, right? He came for everyone. If he came from a Muslim, if he came for the Muslims also, then why is he telling the Muslims to follow Muhammad Ali? Can I say can I reply

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is a concept that I think non Muslims, or non Sikhs can not understand or get their head around. Because the concept of Sikhism is universal. We believe there's truth in all religions. And we just believe our particular way is the best part. It doesn't mean a Muslim doesn't have to fulfill their faith or a Christian as a universal universal truth.

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You could never have been a Muslim or never to come with it, because the one thing is, he's his philosophy for the afterlife was reincarnation. So dying itself is completely contradictory to Islam. Now,

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I never claimed he was a Muslim, but some people say he's Muslim, but he could never be Muslim. I know I know better. And he also said that, you know, Hindus should be good Hindus, the whole point of philosophy was that you should practice your faith. Yeah. And he will not judge Guru is one issue, practice your faith. Yeah, he remember he did criticize the bad points. There are bad things in

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our system against you, if you have good health. If you have good health, and you made a million pounds by hard work, and you want to teach others how to have good health, and make a million pounds within a year, okay? Are you going to go and tell them, those who are, you know, doing a rubbish job at whatever they do with a rubbish job? Okay, so this is a different view, you're not understanding the concept, because I believe you can go to heaven, you're just like a good analogy, couldn't read all Muslims. Your Prophet was a good man. But his teachings are imperfect. Now follow me, I'm the guru and I am the junk guru.

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under Islamic rule, he said he was appropriate, or whatever happened, he would have been executed. That's your assumption. That's my suggestion.

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I'll tell you, I'll tell you many more people who preached a lot more extreme things then Guru Nanak Ji, were not executed, but not executed. In fact, Guru Nanak Ji was well respected even in the Muslim community. Yeah, even and and this shows even group tech bother you know, when he was on his way to meet orange zaev according to your history, he stayed with a Muslim right? So all these things are there. Okay. Islam is there in the Sikh Sikh religion cannot be separated from Islam when it is impossible in the guru grand Sai Baba Baba fried poetry as your scripture Baba free so this is this is actually this proves your point it because

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Islam is completely wrong like the Christians do, right? telling you this elements of proof. In fact, we believe it's so much work, why don't why don't cheat

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in our book.

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By the way, I don't mean to I'm not asking all the Sikhs to convert to Islam don't get that. Okay. I mean, if you want to if you're convinced, it's your choice, but we're not out here to force you to come into Islam, or put Islam down your throat. And Raj is not here for that.

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In case the Sikhs but the thing is you have to understand what I'm going to do here is just a shout out to basically Chiquita, please come down and really clarify this. I'm doing my best on the limited knowledge we had this discussion. You know, he's passed away, he passed away. So and we were very saddened by that.

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Even among the dollar guys here, you know, we remember jack Raj in in good words, and we believe he was a good guy. And he was spoke to me on the phone, he called me and he said he's gonna have a discussion with you. And that never unfortunately never materialized because he felt.

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And I would invite anyone from the basics of sikhi or any Sikh brother or sister out there to come and talk to us about theology, theology, let's talk about it. And let's open up let's open up to the world. Let the world let the world see that we are able to have decent discussions and reach conclusions.

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Yeah, he's recording halfway to misery. This guy has edited a video

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afterwards the worst and worst filmmaker if he's he security needs to be around him. He's a senior editor. Okay, this guy's pathway to misery. So pathway to mercy pathway to misery. I want to continue all of all of these stories that are made about the murder of Guru are the execution of Guru tegh Bahadur okay by the moguls, okay, or even the killing of the gurus sons Guru Gobind Singh sons in battle, two two were killed in battle. other two were allegedly put alive in a wall by the Muslim governor of sahand. Khan was the the con yada you keep thinking

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I can't say his name. I do on purpose or our joke which

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I can't say his name but every time I say

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By the way, okay, I know Roger, I know I know the Punjabi language

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that's

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coming soon do you know when somebody hates the word Punjab, Punjab,

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Punjab during the Mughal period as I like it, so what I mean today Punjab, Punjab, Punjab

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monsoon some mango and how he treated Okay, no no, because the Punjab region was a rival to the Bengal region in in agriculture. These are the two most richest provinces of the Mughal Empire agriculturally. These were the breadbasket that's why the Sikhs were taken so seriously by the Mughals, when they pose the threat when the Sikh Sikhs rose and cause trouble in the Punjab region. The Mughals wanted to suppress it so that they can have stability in the region that was providing bread for the Empire. Can we go back to the science that we originally Well, you don't know anything about it?

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You can start using the question to you one more time. Yeah. So getting on the trigger warning, please. like can you put trigger warning on there? Can we have a discussion?

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Can we have a discussion on genomic hockey?

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You one question again. I'm trying to ask you if Mohammed is in a room by himself with I've already answered the question you happen to keep you have to keep repeating it your repetition

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let me just one more time to clarify because I still have invoices The last time the last time I was in a room with I shot by herself Yeah, I shot is infallible. She's a human being you can make mistakes. She also has kind of a little bit of a problem with Ali and some other people so she might have political motives to kind of distort text. Mohammed for argument's sake is perfectly suited for argument's sake. I don't think he is. And he's having revelations from God. She then says to, he then says to Ayesha, this is what God said. She then moves out. There's no third party in the room. You don't know anything about our religion? Just answer me You don't know anything. Why would

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you let me correct you?

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That never happened? It's hypothetical. How many how many narrations are from not by itself and Mohammed? Okay, very good point. Very good question. How many Okay, wait, so it did happen. First of all, the revelation was not an alien purpose. He was in a room by herself at some point. And then narration afterwards, there were many wives of the Prophet alone with him in the room, by the way, gurus had multiple wives.

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You're talking about polygamy.

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gurus had multiple wives.

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Yeah. acid, the reason for polygamy. Muslims believe in polygamy because they believe that men not carnal and they pray No. Oh, man, that's a lie. It is

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not as loud on what man

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is a human. He can have his own understanding. He's the best debater Hey, this was I said he's like I said, Raj, Raj. Raj, you conflate terms with each other. When I say best, that means perfect. Right, right. Can I just play Yeah, I don't have a problem in polygamy in water.

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I don't believe

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in women so said men are more carnal.

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Can I just say something? I have no men having multiple wives. So why did the Guru's have three? Why would Why would we have a population that was so small, that

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wanted to reproduce? We want to reproduce. I have no issue. wives. Yeah.