Matn Abu Shuja #30
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2018 3 15 LMM at 8pm -Chapter of Trade
hamdulillahi rabbil Alameen wa Salatu was Salam ala Cassie you know, have you been a Muhammad while early Alzheimer's may so we're finished talking about the rituals This is usually what
those who teach these Mattoon end with me they teach Bahara for calcium and hedge and they start with that they don't go they don't go beyond
those five chapters because those are the ones that matter the most that are relevant the most people don't usually don't go into any more detail, but I'm going to continue in Charlotte talking finish I'm going to face this mathematician insha Allah fully
I'll spend less time on the coming chapters than I did on the first five that we talked about. So the first five took us around five months to creep in or something like that wants to come will take less time because I will not do compared to fifth I won't talk about them at that heavier at all. And a lot of this stuff you're gonna find it to be
irrelevant meaning a lot of a lot of what they talk about are forms of selling and buying or issues of of culture and life that was only important up to the maybe the first eight 700 years of after Islam, I just want to history and then after that things changed and the filter didn't really change that much. So it's hard for us to draw the parallels but I will do my best in Charlotte so that we can benefit from from a lot of the ideas that exist here. So what are we going to start with today insha Allah there will be a quiz on calcium and
I'll let you guys know inshallah
the timing of it very soon.
Because we didn't know how to answer and I'm gonna do something for the calcium and hejin Inshallah, that we established that
the field called the rituals with acts of worship has been challah completed. So we're gonna start today with Kitab WR
Mohammed so keytab we'll
to what did this mean the chapter of trade
and other commerce. So here we're talking about trade
and other forms of commerce. And this is important, of course, when you're studying
maybe maybe 80% of every question that share has given has something to do with money has something to do with with a transaction, a financial transaction that happened and whether it's halal haram or something to do with work whether it's okay to work here or not to work there and it's okay if I purchase it like this or that so a very high percentage of questions that you get outside of eBay that outside of rituals outside of CI musica and had gonna be focused on on issues of finance, trade and commerce in Asia and stuff like that. So we'll start by reciting what the Phenom said they'll talk about you know, do some commentary and some some explanation
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when it comes to trading or selling it fall into three basic categories and the three basic categories now, the first maybe 10 sentence sentences we're going to read in this chapter are issues of default meaning often agreed to these things I will tell you when things start to become disagreed upon among scholars but mostly we're gonna read at the beginning our issues are rules that all the scholars of the form of the head Bargnani agree to. And as we stated at the beginning of this
of this chapter, the first category by your Alain Bucha had that in for jazz. Well, they are a sheet in most offensive Dimity isn't either would you prefer to see Furby while you're writing in writing them to showerhead familiar Jews? Alright, so the first category
so we're gonna talk permissible
acts of trade
or permissible sales, what's permissible trends of selling? What can we how can we sell what's okay, what's not okay, so the first one by lying in Moshe Dutton so for you to sell
buying iron is an asset Alright, something something anything that you own we're not talking about selling cash not selling money you're selling an asset. How do you write how do you spell acid
seen acid What do you buy seen shahada me saying that it's there for the visible?
I'm gonna sell you this phone. Because it's here in front of you. And this is this permissible? I can show you the phone. It's there. Right
So I have it, you've established that there's a couple of conditions, but it's something that you can see. And since you can see it, I mean, you can make your own description of it. You can make your own judgment on its value. And this is jazz. Right? So that's the first one I invite you to write in which I didn't forget is that okay? Well, baoshi in mo su FinFET, Dimity.
that is not here.
But well described.
So I'm going to sell you on my phone, but it's not here with me. I'm going to describe to you my phone, I'll tell you all the specs and what it looks like the color and how long it's been used. I'll give you all the description, you know, the full description of what the phone is more. So FinFET, Zimmer, meaning I'm describing it for you? And it's based on my narrative is for them. You didn't see it? It's based on trust here, you're basing on my on me being trustworthy. But even, then that's permissible, either. But with this condition here, would you prefer to whoopsie Furby here that you will find the asset that you're buying to be like the person described it to you? So
Islamically by telling you about something about I'm selling you my phone or my car?
And I tell you, it's a 2005? Yeah, I need to to echo and it has this and it has that in it. This is a kilometer Yeah, how much the kilometer because I have an echo too. So it's not just how many kilometers are on it and, and I ascribe it to you, but it's not here. It like okay, DUNS. But so they'll take it. And then we agree on the on the on the sales, we agree on the number. So I go when I bring my car. Now this, this transaction is permissible, as long as when you look up my car, you'll find it to be the way I described it to you.
It can be a 2004 Toyota echo, it can be whatever, whatever I'm okay with it. Well, Islamically, it's, the lock button is an invalid transaction. And I always liked that about the Dean because things like this happen to people all the time.
Because it's so busy, and they don't want to go through the difficulty of just returning and they'll take something that was mis described or to for to them just because they did rather not go through the hustle of fighting with the person. But it's time to do this after this about them. This is not this isn't an invalid transaction. Because Because what was described to you is different than what you've got. And you put your money you're putting it based on that the money of the Muslim. Yeah, definitely Muslim me haram, my Muslim Muslim haram Khademi, he, the wealth of a Muslim is sacred, just like his Would you just like we're not allowed to harm one another physically, that's a sacred
thing, that also your wealth is treated the same way. So it has to be the way it was described. And if it's not the way it's an invalid transaction, and we have to do another one. What if it was like, technically true, but not? Like, somebody was obviously not, for example, a car to another four wheels and everything, but then they give you a toy car? Like, will you pay me like 5000? Mostly?
Yeah, so that's another that's another invalid transaction as invalid transaction based on the fact that there are unwritten and and verbalized, or an articulated, agreed upon points that are part of this, this transaction. That's why That's why when you look when you read what the man said, Here,
as it moves so fast to be fully described. So a fully described car, a part of it would be like how large it is, or how much how much it does, how much gas it uses, or right so the full description of it. That's why if you're selling something that doesn't physically exist, it's not visible, it's not right there for you to be able to make judgment on yourself, then you have to take a full description. And if it was different than what you had what you were describing with stripe, do you then it's an invalid contract. So that for that, in that case, it's a tsunami instead, obviously, yeah, any hoax. Yeah. So we were delighted, I was able to say, Well, I'm selling in my house, it can
fit 10 people, like technically, people, but it's not meant to eliminate that. And that's that's not enough description.
That makes sense. That's not a description. So has five rooms, we have to talk about the actual area or the idea of these of these rooms. So so in order for me to finish to buy from you something that I cannot go physically see, for whatever reason, then you need to fully describe it to me so that there's no ambiguity left or when you find the word ambiguity to be the key word coming as we go along. Now the third type of transaction is the impermissible when we're making a bait or raining or inviting them to showerhead follow us, selling an acid
and here is not permissible
for both the seller and the buyer
or main line in EBIT in them to Shahad unseen and unprecedented asset
so I'm going to tell you something that is not here right now, I don't know much about it.
just found out that I have a very rich uncle who died somewhere he had no one to leave his, his estate to he left it for me, to me, I haven't noticed status, but also to you how much you pay,
10,000 bucks for your uncle's estate. That's how long these are how long transaction because you're buying something that is not physically here. It's not something that you can see. And it's not visible to you if you can't make judgment on. And it was not described to you at all. One of the reasons being that I don't have the ability this guy because I don't know what it is. And they do that a lot. And there's a lot of different transactions today that have that within it, meaning something that's not we don't know what's in. Sometimes they bring the cargo shipments, sometimes the boxes from our huge ships, and then like I'll take, I'll just buy that shipment for $3,000. I'll
just open and see what's inside. If I'm lucky, I get something more than 3000 That's how I'm that's problematic. That's based on the fact that you're buying something that you don't know what it is. I mean, like what is the need for all this? Okay, let's see. Yeah, that's fine. It wasn't sure what you were asked. Okay, so let's, let's talk about a few.
Talking about a few things that we have here.
First of all, the only thing that we have in terms of Helma when it comes to buying and selling is that you cannot do buy that has gone on in it. Alright, so this is the word that you want to memorize and keep in your mind as we go along within this study is the word
will have other words, but this is a really important one god order means ambiguity.
Ambiguity, the prophet,
in many different Hadees he
told people commanded people not to do selling, that has got the mean that has lack of clarity of what it is that you're buying, or how much you're buying it for. Another example of of love is a I say to you, I'll buy your hat for whatever money I have in my pocket. Like I'll pay you whatever I have in my pocket. You either say yes or no, you don't know I may end up with $10,000 it may be like 10 cents, and then you okay, see this is
who is asking?
Tell her he went with I'm Wiley, to our houses
with the whereabouts of my son.
So the word is ambiguity. So when you buy something that is ambiguous, it has no that unknown or unknown, we have no understanding of what what's there. There's impermissibility doing that. Now, are there exceptions to this rule, like if a huge shipment came in, and there is understanding that in the shipment is 123 there's so let's say you know that in the shipment is something there's a certain any asset and the gym that you know about, and you want to pay for that and that's okay. And then you're okay with getting whatever extra stuff that you get. That's all right. But if you devise something completely ambiguous, we have no idea what's gonna end up you can open up money and just
garbage is total filth in and no, that's that's not okay. That's not how Islamic it turns into a form of gambling, what happens with it very quickly, it turns into a form of gambling and today psychiatrists
talk about at least four or five additional forms of addictions. And they all come in in the form of either online date day investments or something's out of stock market, you know, quick investments, people are sitting on their computers, looking at stocks, pressing on buy, sell, buy sell, just based on you know, strategy with no understanding of how the stock market actually works, it turns into an addiction and they can identify an addicted brain that is addicted through different studies. So any any form of addiction is haram in the genre, because it gives a form of he becomes the idea of gambling and that is and that's what we want to shy away from his clothes investing
We don't really know enough about Bitcoin to see whether it's haram or Halal to invest in it. I'll tell you what is haram in when you invest, you have to have three conditions, the three conditions for investment, just kind of memorize them and keep them with you.
Unless you have a strategy of course, unless you have stuff
Do the stock market. And you have strategized and you know exactly what you're doing. And as usually someone who studied like a two year or two, macro and macro economics understands very well how how the stock market works, and he has a strategy. If not, then you have two or three conditions. First of all, the company that you're investing in, cannot be company that trades in core haram. Things meaning they cannot be trading the Hamptons ear, or alcohol or their loan sharks, they can't do that specifically. That's why number two, you have to know a lot about the company the product and you have to actually do your homework to study about this company and justify why is it why it is that
you believe that this company is worthy of your investment that's worthy of putting money out to see something special about it. That's number two, number three. And this is like something that scholars differ upon. But I think it's I think it's important, I think it's worthy of us doing is that you invest for at least a year and invest for at least a year, that's that's showing that shows commitment.
Most people in the investor stuff, they invest for a couple of days hope hope, just hope for that number for that Jonnie stock market indicator to go up a bit, and then they sell it and they make a quick buck, making a quick buck. Anyone can do that. Like there's just so many different legal ways to do that.
Adding to the adding another way to the end, tried to make it harder is not going to make it make it any better. Invest for a year, which is enough time for whatever plan, this company has to actually come through. And if you believe in their plan, believe in their vision, then you've given enough time that you can sell after that I think that's a good way of looking at it unless you have a strategy. Now I don't mind if you if you strategize in terms of dealing with the stock market, that's a whole different thing. But most people don't strategize at all, meaning you don't even know what Bitcoin is. You don't understand how fiat currency works. You don't have any evidence that any
fiat currency that wasn't backed up by gold and silver has ever survived in the history of the human race, you don't know why it's going up so quickly. And you can't even use it for transactions that are that are serious transactions, you can't buy anything with it, except within the realm of what Bitcoin is, is focused on. So you don't obviously don't have any for me what you're doing is you just do it you're just seeing what people are doing and they're doing what they're doing. You see the people are investing so I want to invest like everyone else. But that's not that's not how you're supposed to do it Islamically you have to have a very keen comprehension of what this product
is and how this product is going to work and function and why it's good and why you think it's going to continue to go up and if you can establish all that then go ahead but I dare you to do that with Bitcoin no one understands anything about Bitcoin it's just a big mystery to everyone and economists around the world are talking about the fact that it's a bubble very soon this bubble is going to pop and then and there's been a lot of bubbles in history like there's been a lot of bubbles when it comes to to finance so you just don't want to add yourself to another to that long sad list of people who invested their money in something they didn't understand and then lost it because they
just didn't were too lazy to actually do their homework invest investing is actually an important it takes takes a lot of knowledge Okay, so those are the three types of inverse of selling yeah of trade. So for like
You have like things like Mystery Box
what in gaming? No like you can do basically like set up the service and then they can be like a lot like five things every month or something you don't know what those things are
no idea at all. But not even a category
what it is
and here are the five things
no no idea doesn't work. Yeah, but if there was some yeah there was some description Yeah, so telling you we're gonna send you a box unifying like clothing and it's some form of clothing from this company or that you know fits a male adult or something like that then that can be you know, considered enough for the majority of scholars by the way the majority would tell you is how to I'm because I told you these are the things that they agree upon. When it comes to buying and selling we have to know what what is what we're buying and selling if we don't know what it is then we should be buying and selling it but some schools would be okay if there's a description of the genre good
enough for the money to be equivalent of what you're actually getting getting which is which is okay. What do you
Chocolates and stuff you don't know what that's fine a gift pack is a gift baskets aren't ambiguous. You can look in town stuff.
But they'll tell you if you ask they'll give you a description. The gift pack is baskets they'll describe for you what's inside if you insist on it, but you know that is just a bunch of an assortment of sort of assorted chocolates, which is fine it's about ambiguity if you don't know what it is that you're buying what are you doing
it cuz that's all you're doing. At the end of the day all it turns into gambling if you don't know what you're buying, you don't know what you see if it's within you just gambling me sometimes you'll you'll hit a home run it sometimes you won't. And and from its length perspective, that's not okay with your wealth. Your wealth is sacred. It's when it's Allah subhanaw taala his gift to you so you need to deal with him and follow his rules in terms of what you gonna do. Now. We also buy your co Lupo hidden
by your Aquila
by hitting montafon B min Lukin What are your why in in what? In fact if he he, this is important stuff? Now it is it is permissible it is valid and proper for you to sell,
gunpowder everything that is but these are the conditions, conditions
for the assets that we're selling, and buying, alright, so there has to be conditions for these assets, the first thing
has to be
meaning not impure.
Because the word
pure could, you know, has an English a different meaning than then I wanted so it's not impure, so you're not buying something that just something
big or very good. So hold on this this comes, we'll come to that in a second. So that's a good that's a good question. So barrhead when Tiffa NB
has to be beneficial?
That's it gotta be some benefit of it.
Remember, you can fully owned,
by the person who was selling it right?
Well, I bet you're lying in Nigeria. So it cannot be impure. So the opposite of this, right?
Opposite is just
what MLM In fact, if he or something that is useless.
So in that case, the question comes, what about if you buy a an old beat up car? That is unfixable? Can you buy it? Based on this?
Yes, of course you can. Because you can find different benefits for it. It doesn't have to be used as a car. It just has to be something of benefit. You can buy something that has zero benefit, it cannot be used at all. What are examples of that? I can't really think of anything.
But I'm pretty sure you must be able to come up with something at some point. But you have to sell something that has some benefit. Why is it that these conditions are important? Because if you leave these loopholes open, these are things prophets, I send them give commands. Regarding within the Hadith, it opens the door for us to loophole for riba it gives us it's a loophole forever, because people want to do it all the time, interest is so fun, so easy, it makes sure that the rich people stay rich, and those who want a quick buck they can they can get that money, and then they just killed the economy. So making sure that these conditions are there in terms of buying and selling is
to keep everybody out of the picture all the time. So fully owned, I can't You can't I can't sell you the air that's around me. Here. I have oxygen here. Right. And then I give you example, I
lent you money $500. And you're getting back 500. And then you want to buy the air around me. So that's 100. So I got a 600. So I we backdoored Reba, and I sold you something that doesn't know you can't you have to be fully owned, it has to be beneficial Academy something that is useless. And it has to be about her it cannot be something impure. About warranties and insurance. So what about them?
Yeah. So regarding this big
Yeah, so warranty has benefit doesn't have benefit. Benefit, only something happened? Yeah. But there is benefit of it. Like it's not a useless piece of paper. Like it's not
it's not a it's not a useless concept. There is some benefit in now. Now, whether the fact that benefit here is conditional or not continues not a problem. Because a lot of a lot of things, a lot of things I can sell you could be only beneficial conditionally like weapons, for example, they're only benefit visual if you need to use them, but in many use cases, you may never need to use them. So conditionally benefits beneficial is still beneficial. Just when something is lemon. Lemon factor fee is something that has no no use. Jonnie whatsoever. It just turns into a backdoor
photo but that's it all turns into net. You know, Paul had I haven't talked about that for a moment because there's a lot of misconceptions here. Now. So back in the day that it was haram for them to buy soy to buy corpses of any animals. They couldn't buy, you couldn't buy fertilizer that came from from cows or from from livestock because of nudges. Right?
So this was seen Haram is haram for the majority of scholars, by the way, but that was only up to the last maybe maybe 100 200 years when the a lot of these rules. They weren't rewritten, but they were redefined. And they were redefined so by her, in many cases was dry.
opt as a as a as a condition to be able to buy and sell things specifically when there is needed benefit or needed use for it. So, for example first a bike corpses of animals sometimes can be used for for medical
research it can be used for
a different chemical reactions and experiments so there's benefit of it fertilizer for example now we know is are actually is an extremely important component for us to who we need to use it in order for it
to help the earth actually so so when we when we talk about purity here, the rules have changed maybe in the last 100 years for a lot for a good amount for for a good amount of scholars who started to see that the concept of purity was was when it was put here wasn't put for for what for the examples I gave you. It was put for it to be haram for a Muslim to trade in the Hamilton Zia. It was bid me haram for the Muslim to trade an alcohol, because these are unjust the Aiyana DISA idea you and he said these are these are assets that are niches and a Muslim is not allowed to trade in them. So you don't like to buy pigs and sell pigs no you don't love to do they can own a pig on your
farm and you know feed it whatever, that's fine. You can own pigs, but you cannot you cannot trade and pigs and you cannot trade and alcohol as well. So these are these are what these are used for the most useful.
You go out with your colleagues with your sometimes you go out with your
if you want to buy lunch, yes.
So that's a good question when it comes to actually buy, so you cannot you definitely cannot buy for them alcohol hands down. Like if they want to order a drink, you cannot pay for that you have to be very clear about that. When it comes to pork, there's a difference of opinion here because not just paying for the pork or paying for something for the sandwich has a lot more than just the actual meat Jonnie bourbon inside it. Majority of scholars would have a problem with it. The Hanafi is specifically do they wouldn't accept that by far since that's probably they wouldn't be acceptable. But some of the some of the Medicare Okay, well, if you're doing that, specifically, if you're not
using it for yourself,
right? If you're if you're not actually gonna consume it for yourself in any way, but it to be safe. If you're gonna buy someone
lunch or buy the you have to explain to them I'm not allowed religiously to buy you alcohol or anything that has pork in it. And then they can just buy weed. It's not that big of a problem. And
the funny part is, is that for Jews and Christians are not supposed to eat pork either. But they're not supposed to eat pork, like Jews and Christians in their within their own faith. They shouldn't do it, but they do it anyway. So for them, it's not unheard of when you talk about it, so not gonna be Oh, why no did they know? Those who actually we don't know are totally are probably very just uneducated within their own faith, or they're maybe the atheists. Some of us don't care about these things altogether. But you are the right from a religious perspective to kind of put conditions on you know, when you're going to be generous with someone to buy them lunch. I got a similar question.
A guy told me we have a credit card for for a company. And when we take out when we're done the deal, we take these people out and we get we buy them food and they go order on that tab the order alcohol is that okay? No, it's not okay. So that's 100% to help them out. There's impermissibility There's 100%
Yeah, I'm talking about the company is owned by a Muslim that was the question because the company is owned by Muslim so can he use it? No, we cannot. When it comes to pork, that's a different because a difference of opinion. I can I can Yeah, we can be more lenient with that because of the fact that we live in a specific place and time management. Yeah, I can accept the opinion that makes up permissible in terms of pork when it comes to alcohol. No, not not another chance. So you can't buy that at all that you want does because someone receives a gift.
Like what do you do?
From whom do you get it? I'm not saying me. So if you get that you have to react to it. You have to apologize. They think I don't drink it's it's impermissible for us in our religion for me to even touch this. You're not leaving onto your even suppose as a Muslim to carry it around? Like I am sorry. Yeah. Look.
When it comes to Kurt Jani, and courtesy and work relationships, as most of you are totally for it, we emphasize it and we make sure that we're the most respectful and the kindest co worker, but we do have a number of red lines that we just have to be very clear with people on Don't let others kind of you know bolt bulldozer, your bulldoze your Yani your ethical or, or your religious beliefs when it comes to these things. And just be very clear about it, and people will appreciate it eventually. I mean, but no, when it comes to alcohol, you're not allowed to accept that as a gift at all. You can exchange it, you can sell it, you can give it to someone else, you'd have to leave it on the
table like you'd have to take this with you like I can't, I can't touch this at all. And if that offends them, then that's basically their their problem. So there are certain lines where you just have to be you have to be who you are like with the chocolate like the flexibility to make sure that you we make it as easy as possible for every Muslim to do
the best he can do
I'm just gonna be other companies.
So I'm just looking at Fleet owner to fully own it, or to sell it.
Can you lay ownership to
land something that's naturally?
Like an example, for example? Well, in that case, nothing's fully owned everything is you don't even own yourself like you and I are owned by Allah subhanaw taala. Right. To see, like, the ocean or something,
you know, I mean, like you're not selling, this is not this is not selling, but you do have to pay the transaction you have to pay. Yeah.
So these were assets, we were selling assets we're not. So every transaction transactions have a lot of different categories is more than any 55 transactions that the Muslim counted at least here we're talking about selling and buying assets. So you have to own the asset to actually sell it. You want to say something you're done.
So when it comes to non halal meat, there weren't halal meat and non halal meat is another Jonnie law. Discussion, I'll summarize the following, as long as the
meats, the beef or
the chicken, or any of the other anom that we are allowed to consume. As long as the this meat was not slaughtered for a pagan god or an idol and Canoga you said, dough Buddha, or Oh, large losses or any of that stuff, and it was slaughtered properly, meaning that we didn't electrocute it, we didn't smash its head in with a rock we actually opened the jugglers and blood drained out of his body, and that the animal itself was a healthy non diseased animal than that is considered considered for the gym who would accept 100 fees for the gym who would is edible for Muslims. And that's why we eat the pond. That's why we're allowed to eat the food of the Jews and the Christians why? Because that's
what they do. They don't slaughter it for an idol and they follow the same rules. So as long as those rules are followed, say Bismillah and Eid and I'm I'm good in terms of that. That being the I'm okay, I personally don't mind I think I think we fail sometimes to see the health factor and things being halal and haram in Islam. So there's a health factor that is over and over again is overlooked a lot. You're better off going eat Yeah, just go chew on a tire. If you feel like eating at McDonald's, pick a tire up and just chew on a tire you're better off you'll get more nutrient nutrients and you'll be you'll be healthier at the end of it. So it's not about whether the meat
that they haven't had Haram is the fact that we know that it's actually harmful for the body and that plays a role in something being haram maybe we're just talking purely religious then only the Hanafi say that has been slaughtered by a Muslim with the proper ways that they're very strict in their rules of in terms of meat that they eat. But the Jim who are which is the Medicare 100 billion the Shafi they don't mind as long as these rules are met for their for the majority of them with with exceptions in this group. So if you if you're opening a restaurant, you're just selling meat that fall under the conditions that I gave you, then you should be okay in general in terms of what
you're selling because as I've highlighted is all that's missing is Bismillah Allahu Akbar as you're doing it, that's all that's really missing in this whole thing. And that if that miss if that's missing, that's okay, how do I know that because we're allowed to eat with the whodunit slaughter make and they don't do it when they when they slaughter so that's how we know that's not saying that specifically at the time of slaughtering is not the biggest problem as long as the other conditions are met. You say Bismillah law but when you start actually eating or cutting that I inshallah they'll be baraka and just so what if you're buying like a non Muslim that like, Would I guess
conduct in like, come on, but like you're, you're changing like, basically like for example, like if you were to like buy like from like a piece of land from like a guy
like a winery or something and then you want to turn that into like a form of
buying a piece of land or buying the winery, like the winery company. Sure but you're not you're not buying the winery to continue with working as a winery like you're buying the the warehouse or whatever and you're gonna do whatever you want with it. That's totally fine.
Can you look for it? Like
can you design a building for sure you're designing a building what he does with it is not your problem.
Even if it tells you it's a winery, as long as he's not asking you to design the logo of the winery and like me as long as you're just still working with the with the building itself, then you're fine
if you can, because what he does with that is not really your problem. But if you can use it for that user problem as long as he's not getting involved in the details of you know, buying the machines that are going to do the brewing and all that stuff because now you're actually you're participating
sort of not really because
because not because now you open you open a door Apple sold now now that now this has become this becomes the argument that cripples everything. Now we're becoming required to look into the intentions short term and long term every single person who would do a favor or do a job for and you're not assigned willy nilly required to do that. You're not required to find out exactly where this person made his money. What
He's going to do with what you're making for him and how he's going to use it that's not my thing I just I lost I have heavy
is it going to harm someone with it like a weapon? Like he told me to kill someone with this then then then you wouldn't do it in terms of building a creating a building this building could be used as a winery now, but later on it could be used for something else. Of course, there are scholars who say, Look, everything I'm telling you there are scholars will say haram immediately and close the doors. It's not takes zero skill to say something's wrong, by the way. It takes no skill at all doesn't have to have any degrees. You just say hello, I'm to everything. But when you're building, when you're involved in just actually building a building, that's just no problem for you. The
problem becomes more on getting into the details.
When you say winery, is it like a bar or like the things where they where they brew where they brew alcohol
product to replace the substitute for a brewery? We know it was built to be a brewery? Yeah, so nobody else was gonna use it only for me. Yeah. Is that so? What are you guys gonna do exactly? Like substations electricity substation, where the produce power and everything? Yeah, we design and so basically the same answer for this.
Yeah, cuz you're not, you're not actually providing the machinery that's that makes the bell call, you're just what you're doing is like the building the electricity, the water, meaning the basic utilities of a place is, is less problematic. Now, again, you will, obviously there are those who will tell you it's 100% Haram. But I'm just telling you, I'm telling you my the reasoning of those who say it now I'm giving you the ACR of the fatawa mean, the easiest of the fatawa that could possibly come up based on based on the reasoning that the scholars accept, meaning the basic utilities of any place can be maintained, maintained, especially in a country that does not legalize
this action, meaning if this was an illegal plant, then it would be haram to do it, because now you're going against the law of the place that you already signed off on saying that I will be I will obey the law, right? But when it comes to actually, you know, if you have a truck company, are you allowed to move the alcohol? No, if you just that's how you come up, so you're not allowed to move the alcohol from the other. You can't be involved in the manufacturing of machinery that makes alcohol or makes booze you can't you can't you can't do that you can't specialize in any form of
making any making any any piece of machinery that
specific in terms of making alkyl stuff like that. It becomes haram but but you build build it you build buildings would you do? So if you're asked to build the building above the building? And then when they want to? Do they want to open it? Yeah, it has anything you want to open it is up to them was designed to be a brewery. So this is brewing for brewery? Yeah, but it could be a room for something else one day and it's not designed to believe it's shorter, but it's still a building like it's a building it's not going to be like if they stop, they stop if they start brewing alcohol it's not going to be torn down. It's still a building and the building can be used and it can be some
there'll be benefit of it that is outside of the original usage of it to begin with. Yes, one more year for the church. Same thing for the church like you can you can design a church for them. Churches are easier Islamically to say yes to this more difficult than saying yes to the question of of a winery and there is for a church because church is a place of worship and when you're living with them any Jews and Muslims and Christians all around you then participating in
that actually is something something sometimes we should we should be a part of, especially in the time and place that we are in so that's not even though there's going to be acts of Shut up there still. Yeah, it almost has to do with Kofi
malai cathedra. So they are still seen as seen as places of God. Again you are not your specialty specializing in drying Yanni crucified Yanni so are putting you're just you're just building a building again, what you're doing is just a building, providing electricity hydro and and a place is something that is not seen as haram was seen as Haram is going into the details Yes.
Contemporary Christians are supposed to Christians at the time the problem sighs Yeah, some some people see differences.
Yes, some of them go into that detail in terms of saying that. I don't think that's true. Because
if you're if you're if you're referring to that the Christians at the time of the Prophet did not have Schilke Is that what you're? No it's that there were different sets. So sure.
God of Israel, not really the God of Sure. Jesus? Yeah.
He's a prophet essentially. Yeah. So the thing is, the Quran already kind of ended the discussion like when it talks about the Christians. It talks about them seeing isa as God in the Quran, Allah Levine Acharya in Allah Who and Mercy who we know ODM, so that when he talked about Masada was identified that that's what that was their belief because some scholars talked about holding Asana back then they didn't believe in in the Trinity, right but that's not true the Quran
And contradicts that fully or else, you know, it'd be a different argument altogether. What we celebrate time that's not an asset? And is it okay to sell insurance? was the first question, what can you sell? John? That's not an asset. What can you sell during hindsight? Why? What do you mean is not an asset?
Are you only allowed to sell asset? What do you mean by assets, so anything that you own is an asset that's not money or currency. So I guess money or currency is an asset, whatever, whatever it may be. Now, when it comes to warranty, and, and stocks, and these are a bit more complicated mean, there's because all the books of filter that we studied don't have, and also the conditions that they don't really carry them. So you have to, you have to actually listen to what the formula and maybe like 60 years came up with in terms of drawing parallels, and when we reject which exists in everything, it's just that
you have to you have to kind of leave the traditional outlook on, on on assets. And something is trying to clarify my last question like, do
you understand that the Christians worship the same God as we do?
Sorry, I didn't get to get that. I understand that. Yeah, they worship the same God as Muslims.
They don't believe that any other faith actually believes in God the way the Muslims do, in terms of of the of the attributes of Allah subhanaw taala. So doesn't really matter whether they because the attributes of God for Christians and for Jews are a bit different than they are for the first time to begin with. So it doesn't doesn't really matter whether whether that question is answered in yes or no, they have shipped somewhere in their in their building their belief system, and that ship is still there. Regardless of what beyond the ship, they actually believe in the problem. They claim that God fell asleep in the Bible, right? Like he worked for six days, and then he rested on the
seventh theory. Right. So that's a really problematic, I guess, from trying to match their OPD. Exactly with
ours to theirs. Sure. Yeah. So there's different there's different theological differences.
Yeah, but I'm not sure that that what you were asking. I wasn't I'm not clear on what
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you own a delivery business, yeah. And you're asked to deliver
so my view on this matter is if you're allowed you're not allowed to deliver anything that has alcohol in it. But if you're delivering pizza, or the highest some amount of fiber that's fine, but you're allowed to actually own a delivery company only delivers pork or delivers just from a butcher and just as moving performance No, that's not okay. But if you're delivering food or you're from a from a grocery store that happens sometimes to have certain then that's not a problem but you're allowed to deliver alcohol for example any from a house to another house and then they see I'll call you Tom you put this Yeah, exactly. I'll call you don't take it. So that makes it makes it makes it
a bit more sometimes a bit difficult, but you're not allowed to move on. So what about a corporation where nobody really owns something fully shared between people? Is that okay to sell something like that? As long as what you're selling is well defined meaning the person who's being who's buying knows what is it what is it what it is he is getting when he's buying your shares in the in the company? It was just a product to Yeah, so as long as he knows what he's what he's getting into, it's fine it's ambiguity that's the problem is the word ambiguity things not being clear meaning us it turned into a gamble as long as not drinking to gamble is clear on what it is that you're getting
for your money then that's fine if you if you value what you're buying and you think it's worthy then you can pay for it if you don't think it's worth it, you don't pay for it. But if you don't know what you're getting and just gonna gamble and see how it works out and that's that becomes problematic from an Islamic perspective. Yes.
Taxi Driver and they're buying groceries and you see them there that's fine. Yeah, because you're moving the person you're not moving the alcohol right so what he carries with him is not really your problem unless of course he's carrying something that is like a weapon or he's any any shows some intent of going to harm someone else and that becomes your problem at that point. But if he's carrying any pork and alcohol and Johnny smoking a cigar and he has a few any
unlawful sisters enter the thing that says problem you just you just drive a car and just let them go and drive there as long as it's better than them driving and killing people on the street. That's That's the mission.
Again, like I said, if something's harmful, that becomes problematic. Yes. Yes.
Yes. 45 minutes on this okay.
I was thinking about how we're like you know, the full factory things whatever the wind Yeah.
So if you know the corporation and you don't want to be specific if you know for a fact that some of their money goes to help like oppression, any method any Starbucks
if you know that you buy the products? Oh, that's a good question.
Yeah, that's a good question. Because because it is, it is a it is a problematic thoughts. If you know that these people that a product company is actually supporting oppression now that's where the that's where the problem comes from that sentence. How do you know? How are you sure? In what way? Have you been able to verify this because they support a country because they in that case, you can't deal with America at all. You can't even enter the company enter the country because you entered the country that the you know the benefit financially from your entering the country, and now and the support Israel. So this becomes an endless discussion, meaning you can't you literally
cannot cut the ties anymore. And you can't you never lead to identify. But look, if there is a company that is saying, Yeah, we support the killing, killing Palestinians. And we support Israel's aggression against Muslims. And yes, of course it's haram to buy from not that point. But I don't believe that there's a company that actually claims that there are companies where the CEOs are Yanni maybe Zionists or the they do things with Israel, that's a case you can enjoy, you know, watching Messi play football anymore because he's so it's an it's an I mean, there's so you can't you can't make it's not black and white. And it's not as clear as that. But when it is anyone that's
made clear like that, then yeah, it becomes hard. I don't think we have many examples of that anyway, to assume that if he just avoiding
it, you're gonna avoid it. Yeah.
Of course, if you can avoid it, because he's not asking me based on the fact that he can avoid this. He's asking me based on the fact that I work for a company, I'm being asked to do this, do I quit my job? Or do I? Do I do my job? What do I do? Obviously, if you had a choice, everything we're talking about, obviously, as a Muslim, you had a choice here, would you be very, very clear, and you wouldn't come in anywhere near this. So when I'm offering the answer of the easiest competitor, I'm offering a based on understanding that you you wouldn't do this, if it was up to you, if you had to feel the difference. If you had the choice to design a mess, you'd have a winery,
the winery, I at least I assume every Muslim thinks like that. But when you come to ask me a question like that, like, can I I'm moving morning a moving company, if I have to move, well, then because you're putting it you're being put in a situation where you don't have much choice in terms of what you need to do, for example, for the moon coming just to kind of make that easier, you can pay other people to do that for you, like, as an outside contractor to move around the the alcohol for you, right. But if you're working, if you're designing the wine, or you can find people, if you have to design anything that is specific to the wine or to the alcohol, you can have someone else do
it or you can you know, you can give up certain hours, so you're paid less. So you can give up some of your pay, but at least get the job done. So you can hold on to your job, which is going to be essential for your career. So there are ways to do things. It's just that we have to understand what it is that we cannot
bend, there's no bending the rules at all and where rules are at. There's some leeway now for all scholars, obviously. But for some scholars specifically, I think we need that leeway and living in a country that is so that is so anti Islamic law. I mean, the mentality here the way that people think is so different than how Muslims are thinking what Islam brings forward as in terms of a social and financial system that we need the rulings that allow us to be as flexible and as Jonnie, moving it reliable and alive as possible within our societies. Okay, you
need to mention something about Metallica. Now I know I know personally, a guy was asked to
design a like
guineas, church church refused. And the manager ended up pressuring him to leave sure he left the new design. And in 10 days, he got a better offer and Hamilton and he's doing much, much better.
That's pretty good. I know. That's awesome. Sometimes to remind people. No, that's not the thing of
the moment that he does that he's, I believe he's sinful. It was it makes it very clear. I leave the moment that police are saying these things he becomes sinful because now he's running away from answering the mechanics. This is not here to give you a wild I'm not here to tell you it be better Muslim, be closer to Allah, Allah give you better I don't know if you will or not, I don't know that. I hope I make dua for it. But I don't know that I don't know that if you give up your job and don't build that line, or if you're gonna get a better one, you could easily end up you know, jobless or you know, for a year or two so that says that's a decision that you have to make yourself
that you will take from a different source meaning you were told and you know, as a Muslim that you stay away as far away as possible from haram Don't come close, don't borderline haram at all. But when you come and ask for with for a question, it's my job to give you the the best answer that will serve your situation to the best of my ability. Now what you will do with that is up to you because if I started giving you what I have, right because while there's a problem for some of the banks are giving you any advice Islamic advice that is spiritual, though, is that what I'm doing is I'm confusing you
You're here for an answer of Halal haram. What I'm doing is saying you don't Allah subhanaw taala said, if you do this, he'll give you this and and then you don't do it and you don't get what you want. You come back when I asked the chef and he said, you know, but what did he say? He really did he say hello. He didn't say anything. He just kind of didn't want to answer the question, because there was fear. If he had to answer the question. Yeah. And he said that was halal, then he would get people who would scorn him for it. Again, it takes zero skill to say everything is how to him when I get the questions very easy. You could come sit here, my makeup instead of me just say hello
to every answer, and you'll be awesome. It doesn't take any skill, what takes skill is to be able to see where the line is unbendable it's not movable and over the line is less clear. And then within the context of the question, we try and offer the easiest answers. And then when you if you make that choice, you have to make it on your own because who's going to carry the consequences is a very important thing. We don't think about these things a lot. Because this is a piano man, this is a mean Miss betraying the only one I'm going to be entrusted with, because you have to carry the consequences of any decision that you make. Not me, right, you have to carry that and you have and
you have to be totally
accepting of those consequences. And I have to be totally unreliable when you are facing those consequences. So you can't come to I can't tell you you know, It's haram or not haram if I were you brother, I would leave it and I wouldn't do it for the sake of Allah right? And then you come to me and you're like, I left it and I'm broken. I have no money. It was not my problem. Well, why did that Why do you tell me then I if I were you I would leave it I wouldn't tell you that I would give you the fact to have is halal or it's How long have you seen her on camera? And then if you make that decision you like you know what, and this year I said, Allah He maybe Hermione there's a
difference of opinion. He said he believed that it's permissible within the situation. But I need I don't, I don't feel and then you make the decision. Make it on your own make so you can carry the consequences on your own so you can be accepting of the ruling of Allah subhanaw taala leader because sometimes you leave something for the sake of Allah, He gives you more in dunya instead, he doesn't give you more Indonesia gives you more and ask him. Are you okay with that, too? Are you okay? With getting nothing and doing everything in your life? You're okay with that? And that's fine. But that's not my job. It's not my at my place to make that decision for you. Yes.
From his point, yeah. Basically, if you start doing things, oh, you stay away from things you get like they're sort of great when it comes to assets. Yeah, yeah. You get more reward? Yes. Yes, of course you do. So definitely get more reward for staying away from anything that to you is unclear. And you ask the question to the chef, and he told you I have an unclear understanding of this. It could scholarship this goes to that the evidence is kind of balanced. We're not sure if you stay away to get more agile. But if you don't and you take the ISL you're not you're not doing anything haram
and I didn't tell you that part, not the other one.