Lgbtq And Islam- Our Approach
Channel: Zaid Shakir
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So, just to share
shed a few tears.
It's all good. At the end of the day, I'm gonna read the write up that I got
to kind of
explain the approach to the write up with us, which I'm sure many of you have read, expand on his stance on the LGBT issue to go over our limits as Muslims in regards to the LGBTQ community, address how Muslim youth should interact with the LGBT community, including when their own friends identify as LGBTQ.
it is confusing.
this is a this is a very serious topic. But this is a menace session is not is no Northwest.
And so I think we should try to
deal with those issues as they've been framed in a way that will be palatable to someone who was a minute, H.
So I'd like to just start by mentioning something relevant for those of us who are Muslim, and I'm not assuming every single individual in this room is Muslim. And I'm also assuming I am assuming that some people might identify themselves as part of the LGBTQ community are here.
So what I'd like to start with is the idea of Muslims as Muslims were taught clearly.
Not falafel gin, that was insane, that the opportune that I've only created the gin and the humans that they worship Me,
and we could translate that that they serve,
because out is servant. Even in some contexts, opt might be translated as a slave. But servant is a better word, in the context of abortion. So we are to be servants a lie a bed.
And the I think the most critical component of servitude is humility. And in fact, these two ideas are brought together by Allah subhanaw taala grant mentions are a better rapper than Medina him shoot Ireland RP held, that the servants of the all merciful, Allah subhanho wa taala, Almighty God, are those who walk humbly upon the earth.
And so the spirit of worship
must involve humility, and must involve the holding ourselves before our Lord, trusting in divine guidance, trusting that our Creator who created us,
we did not create ourselves this auditorium did not create ourselves itself rather recently, I saw a debate online
where the person was arguing for the existence of God my phone is in there is a phone is held up his
cell phone and said, Can you conceive of this long creating itself?
And obviously, the person first tried to skirt around it because in the context of the argument, an argument not
the screaming argument the effort to prove a certain point.
extrapolating from those premises certain conclusions understood, once it acknowledged the phone couldn't create itself they were trapped
in any case, and then he went on to say okay, you have to acknowledge that you can't say this fall just took the components plastic forward with some metals, chars, not even metal or
that was the unrefined metal in the ground, in the dirt. It just refined itself process itself into wires and the silicone that was brought from the Congo or wherever just made itself into a chip that had the capability of storing information on it that can then be retrieved.
Impossible. So is the universe more complex?
is a human being more complex than the cell, this cell phone
has a camera.
Is a camera.
The memory in this way this camera has a limit.
The memory of this camera has no limit.
distance that this camera can record
this is far far can see things that distinguish things at a far greater range.
And we get frustrated with something beautiful way over there, trying to get it and we look at it, and I can't post it on Facebook.
So what was more complex,
you know, this, this camera when this phone goes kaput, in 2.7 years, planned obsolescence. So whatever I found this is you get the new one. Because this one goes kaput, that cameras kaput. This camera can last 100 years, never changing the film, never needing a new memory chip ever exhausting its memory. So in any case,
we have to create, just as this phone has a creator. And just as the maker of this phone has given us an instruction manual as to how best and most productive been operating this phone. The maker of humanity has given us an instruction as to how best to function, as you know, most productively function as human beings. And so it comes down in many instances who we trust, the manual that the maker has given us through prophets and through Scripture that had been sent for our guidance, or do we trust ourselves? Or do we trust people totally unequivocably reject not only the instruction manual reject the existence of a creator altogether?
So who we trust. And so when we commit ourselves to worshiping our Lord was saying, I trust my lawyer, and I hold my judgment before the judgment on my Lord. That's really the essence of worship.
Now saying that
worship challenges us. And Joseph, does this challenge us in ways that say classical understandings, obviously, might challenge someone who is a member of the LGBTQ community, and also trying to reconcile that would be the most
IT challenges people heterosexual.
So a person who doesn't have the wherewithal to get married, heterosexual,
cannot person who say, you know, I know, get it, I don't have a job.
I will own this right now.
A steep wonder, a bridge, what is cool, I had some good friends. And actually, some of them were really sharp. We have interesting conversations.
I met this beautiful woman, this event.
And when I got I have to have her, you know, I know Islam says A, B, C and D. But
so that person is challenged. That person cannot act on their desires, that person cannot fulfill their passions, because they don't have the wherewithal. And so
teaching in the religion would say that person is forbidden for that person to get back is forbidden for that person to have relations with that woman submitted for that man to have relations with that woman, that person is challenged. Some people might be challenged. They might have a propensity,
perhaps better described as a proclivity for kleptomania
when they go into a store, and they see some
think they really want the finger start itching, and their neck starts craning.
And then it's a problem. That's where we have a word called kleptomania.
They love stealing things,
especially things that they find very attractive or potentially beneficial. Can they take it, they can't take it challenged.
They're challenged in terms of their nature. And they might argue God gave me the stage. And indeed, that's the case. That's true. And so to go back to the topic here, there might be a same sex attraction. And a person I know that doesn't cover the full spectrum of LGBTQ
we'll just use that as the most prominent
category, there might be a same sex attraction of the person and God created in the person
just as there might be an overwhelming heterosexual.
And of course,
if God created that, or there might be a courtship practice, it was kleptomania and God created that
or there might be a propensity towards a lot of things.
There might be a person who says, and this theory is debatable, this is all what I mentioned so far, debatable.
Up for you to present evidence Shala.
Lost my train of thought on the lessons but just to move on.
God, Almighty, Allah subhanho wa Taala says we eat and in this group of shamans, women, we say one when it comes to parenting, that you would feel guilty or sublimity when, when an army with hearts then become a towering heights in dunya will go and there will be a person
that it's been made
alluring to people.
Zooey had a nasty, so this is the passive voice. It's been placed in people, the love of their loss, not just their loss, but love was shadow
shadow for women, for men, or for women, for children, for money,
for aimed up treasures of gold and silver, branded steed, and cattle, cattle, cultivated fields, all of this the wherewithal of this worldly life and Allah and with Allah is the greatest return
the greatest source of repose. And so a lot of time is telling us there are lusts that have been made
appealing to us.
And it tells him very powerful terms, and sweet and nasty. So it's beyond our control. It has been made not we haven't done it ourselves, ze in the National
Zoo in less Russia with this way of luring to people with the love of their lust and not just their lust for the love of their lust
for gold, we mentioned all that. So those things are in
the test or person becomes read is in the realm of the topic, rather is in the realm of other realms who people are very powerful urges and drives is who do we love?
We love ourselves our lust
or do we love Allah subhanho wa Taala
that that's with Washington another verse of watch out Thomas's would say to the Mohammed quote in Canada bow to Mohammed our own local animal was Whadjuk wash your rock
Doctor off to him Tiara concoction like I said I have my my stack and all that.
I have been in a poor middle why Horizonte which is what you had is a very raucous who had yet here
to say to the Mohammed if it be that your parents and mentioned specifically fathers with generic language, that your parents, that your children, that your siblings, that just spouses, that the wealth you have earned of your kid falls, the wealth you have earned. That business you fear decline in the dwellings you deny are more we love a team that allows a happy day, meaning you can love all that stuff. And when we're supposed to love it, we're supposed to love our parents. We're supposed to love our children. We're supposed to love our siblings, we're supposed to love our our spouses.
Allah says the men and the woman,
women at the Holika law enforcement as well as the test we have which are available
in the field dedicated to the Omi a de facto run. So we're amongst you size is made for you from yourself whilst in order that you live together with them and peace and tranquility. And he's made between you love and mercy
So you say he has put up so we suppose about all of that. Allah bless you with a beautiful house when the Sanku Dorabella have to humbly do not love my house, thank you Allah you put the big head and foot the rugby right over the door that's from grace of my Lord.
That's, that's good. That's what I have but even more beloved to you, than a wall that is Mr. Meeting that because of all of that, I will rebel or sin against my will.
And so the question is not love.
The question is who
And if we love Allah subhanho wa Taala then we give priority to what Allah Tada desires over what we desire. And it's not Allah is not trying to oppress us, one of the calamities of modernity are no close modernity is that the divine has been moved, removed from most of our life transactions and calculations, we've extracted the divine.
and by so doing,
we live in our understanding of justice to this world, this material world.
And so in this context, a lot of people, I'll speak about it in a heterosexual context, just to kind of contextualize it
as some kind of rhetorical device.
I really loved Julia
and her parents got in the way of my love
Because they will not allow me to fulfill my full humanity. By uniting with Juliet is wrong, you're talking
inspired them because it's God's universe.
God isn't fear.
Allah kind of says in the Quran will no longer you we will hold them in. I mean, Allah doesn't want to oppress anyone in this earth. It says in Hadith could see you're a birdie. On my servants in the heart want to hold my let's see which or how to paint a horrible color of all, all my servants, I mean, oppression, forbidden for myself, and are forbidden for you, therefore the amount of precedent.
So if we limit it to the world, we can make an argument that
Almighty God has oppressed Romeo
by not allowing him to fulfill His love,
but have expanded beyond this world. And as humans, our fair transits this world, the affair was podium
is limited to this world. One day, this is not to be splinters in a junkyard one, maybe it'll be a lump
COVID a piano place a law firm, it is not this place that catches fire with burns, and there's just some charcoal left of this podium.
But that's it for this moment.
And when we say postmodernity, remove a God, the equation A lot of people, this one, the atheist arguments, say we have no different than this podium.
We just call it a lucky gene that allowed us to talk and think and be able to reason to ration but essentially, we're no different than it's therefore our destiny is no different than this. This was it, some of the ancient apps
will be your lever up evolved over here on me, who's going to revive this crumbly bones that are tried, I can just crushed them to powder. When they're dust. City.
We became physically, we our destiny is different, just as our existence is different. Our existence is different from all other animals. Our existence is different than the apes. I was listening to kg, some of you from California, you know, kgL, one of the largest radio stations west of the Mississippi, they were discussing
evolution. And a guy was, as many of us do, right listening to talk radio.
Two minutes, I'm just an introduction.
Let me finish the kgL story. So the writing about that he's he's going down the highway in a car that human beings make 70 miles an hour
participating in the discussion. And so the guy in the car says, you know, I'm just a monkey, I'm just an eighth.
that's all I am. And the host of this show, he said, you might believe you're just a monkey, but I never saw a monkey that can make a car that can propel you through space.
Along the road, 60 miles an hour, talking on a cell phone via an invisible beam that's bouncing off a satellite and geocentric Earth orbit, talking to someone 500 miles away. I never saw a monkey that could do that.
Our existence is unique. Our destiny is unique. And some of the time let me go back to the point I was developing. Because there's a whole lot that's gonna get skipped. And I apologize that this topic isn't getting the justice it deserves. So we were talking about the oppression of one limiting
the fulfillment or stifling passions, love loss desires to this world to make an argument.
What is the argument or law Tyler says, Okay, I created these things within the whole range that we mentioned, LGBTQ, heterosexual, kleptomania, whatever it might be, whatever, then half of our car Rocky, wonder hadn't left side house.
as one fears, the time to stand before the award, and some say the meaning of that station of karma for the awesomes patient of the Lord. And they denied their souls to things it inclines towards in many instances.
when their head NAFSA and inhabit. The internal janitor here in Paradise will be the
paradise we're not talking 20 years in this world. We're not talking 3040 years, we're not talking the average 73 year lifespan we're not talking the exceptional 100 views that a person might have in this world we're talking
that for their effort to restrain themselves
now from feelings that might be impossible to restrain or from actions
that are deemed to be forbidden.
And we mentioned an array of actions.
That effort is rewarded with eternal bliss, eternal happiness
that will make the life of this world in terms of its
duration and in terms of this significant
on the greatest scale of things. And so I will say
that, indeed, there are challenges that people have,
while we are challenged by our board,
to try to overcome and or restrain ourselves, and that's one part of the conversation. So implicitly, I'm saying, if you feel these powerful urges that might place you the context of this talk, and listen, forget the heterosexual kleptomania in the context of LGBTQ community, and you work against that your reward is eternal happiness. Now, someone might say, and I'll stop here, that's easy for you to say, you don't, you're not dealing with those challenges. Everyone has challenges, they're dealing with different types, and that might well be true.
And so that challenge for you might be exponentially more difficult than it is for me. We have a principal and our religion.
And as you will cultivate a shock, the reward received from our Lord,
for obeying our Lord is commensurate with the difficulty and the struggle that's involved in obey. And so the more difficult the struggle, the greater the reward.
And that that difficult difficulty
is reconfiguration of ways is not in the world, I can I can really, really, really, really, really love
And she's not really reciprocating My Love, which really pains me deeply. There's no reciprocity, but our love for Law Offices series always reciprocated.
And so as believers, one of the things we tried to do, and this is intricately connected, what we're talking about is to make the love of Allah highest love and those who are able to do that. So we talk about a spiritual world from an essence a mere shadow idea, to a so that's changed to his physical, carnal appetites and thus to the Neff silhouette, that the soul that begins to question those of us
through that questioning process becomes content with a loss amount over time. And that's the end
and that contentment these two pleasure with Allah and that pleasure of Allah these two laws pleasure so when a lot pitches enough some either Yadier
ujiri rock me here Rob Lea, Mark Lee, returned to you Lord, pleasing Raleigh. And please good marginalia reciprocated love and so love simple man that would have said
before that one would have one. Bravia maglia enough some carabiner that that's the perfect so is this so that finds fulfillment above.
And that's the goal of the businesses leave all this stuff we've talked about.
And that is the highest state you can achieve. Overall, beyond that, we'll talk about that. Some people were shooting fear the Fire, that's a motivation. Some people worship you,
longing for heaven, I wish you should love
and so once we've transcended those physical, carnal appetites and dusts and attractions, whatever they are,
then we move into the realm of pure love. And that love is so blissful because that love that connection with a lot time and connects us with something that transcends this world. So the level of satisfaction and the level of bliss and the level of
losing ourselves within that love. Some people refer to us Bella
is so deep
become totally irrelevant. They don't
allow us to
what he's given us
give us understand, I mean, you read it that will be paid on your cable 51 Allah what's good for you gives him or her they sound understanding of this religion