Modern Salah Issues
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And Shaykh Abu Eesa Niamatullah
Salam I can your article after sharp Rohingya? Yeah, come on oh, it makes it up. But come on bro hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah how's it going? I'm alright, so the question is now who's crazy me or you? Let's just work that one out.
Let's put our cases forward to the jury of popular opinion the courts of popular opinion, let them let them decide who's the crazier for doing this game right now. In the last five weeks, I've traveled to I think five, six countries.
Almost every single weekend for more than a little bit more than five weeks was in Malaysia was in Qatar was in Turkey for the refugees popped into England quickly for that weekend for that award ceremony and whatnot. And I just came back from Canada literally arrived home 25 minutes ago.
As always, you would all right. Never mind. 100 I'm forgetting what my kids look like. That's how bad it is.
Although, although they haven't made you forget what they've been to your computer, and you're exactly
Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah Marshall.
Are you sitting in Manchester? No, I've just got back. Yeah, just go. Okay, so you got back from Omaha? Mashallah. Yeah, Hamdulillah, the
ombre, obviously loads of our people, there's problema
the Westerners I mean, it's so packed. And the craziest thing, the craziest thing is that that made me reflect on on the numbers is a you would not imagine your word. Obviously, you understand the game, but the prices are so expensive of everything. It's so expensive right now. And it's more busy than before. COVID Subhan? Allah SubhanAllah. I mean, it's insane. It's insane. I mean, obviously, a lot of the kinds of folks from the developing countries, Muslim countries, Eastern countries, they are taking up more of them or surrounding areas, but you can't find a hotel for love or money in the localities. It's just so busy, right? 100 is good, it's good. It's good that people have decided to
put them to right use as opposed to you know, wasting it somewhere else. Have you
lost somewhere someone's having, you know, the playing as one of these hotel prices, and these ticket prices mindset madness, man. Yeah, yeah, that's very true. Hamdulillah. I mean, there's positives and there's negatives, right. I mean, one thing that I noticed in myself as well, when I was doing this, so regularly, i There were times I was doing four or five road trips a year. And I'll be honest with you,
there's a bit of a routine that develops, right? Like the Haber, the, the overwhelmingness that you should feel, I'll be honest, I mean, it's human nature. Sometimes it's becomes a little bit of a habit. And, you know, there used to be times, you know, back in the day what I would, you know, I remember like, the first time I was deprived for camera for a long period of time, I was I was calling because I grew up in Jeddah, when I went to college, I hadn't been for a number of like four years. And that was thirsting, like I was literally yearning, you know, and I remember, you know, seeing the kava, after those three, four years, that experience, it still remains with me, even
though I've done hedgetrimmer More times than I can count, you know. So, you know, you kind of you kind of realize why most of the stuff, they didn't have this notion of multiple cameras, you know, it was one ombre per trip, you know, that they laugh, you know, amongst the foci in this regard, and that's why it wasn't the other of our classical aroma and they would come for Omer and maybe twice in their lives once in their lives even right, and they would walk for five, six months, and even then, it wasn't there either. To continuously do from you know, 10 a mustard I should come back, you know, and here we are, we go five, six times a year and even then we want to know what every single
date looks like. So yeah, nothing wrong with that. It's my position. And it's not even that it's not even even the ombre even just staying in Makkah I was reading Abu Hanifa Ali Hashmatullah his opinion McCool to remain in MK Can you imagine? You're having subprime lenders The great thing about the VA, that if you read some of their statements in isolation, you would think What on earth did he just say? Yeah, I have to say Makoto to stay in the holiest place on the planet. Because you just don't understand but you lose the respect for them the possibility of committing sins there. You know, there are levels to this game when it comes to deen and to be an Imam and to make statements
like that and run it hate the imagined tools on social media when he wrote down Oh, God, imagine the cancellation culture imagine the refutation. Guys, man, take that clip.
Hamdulillah I mean, let's be honest, a I'm going to be I know all of our friends and listening. Well, let's be honest, don't you look forward to I don't know Smashburger as well and you know,
awake and all that stuff. I mean, it's a part and the experience of having fun with the brothers, right? The experience of chilling and whatnot. There's nothing wrong with us all. halala MOBA let's be honest, nothing is not a sin. But doesn't that take away from the ultimate muscles, right? So I'm just pointing out the awkward realities that
At data if we don't care, you know, this world that we live in this, this this world, roller coaster world wind have arrived where Subhanallah nobody could have imagined that somebody from America England is going to be going five, six times a year, you know, as if it's like a walk in the park, you know, and it handed that has a lot of benefits. But let's also recognize there are certain costs that come with it as well, you know, you know, my daddy and daddy, may Allah have mercy on them. They only went to once in their lives, you know, and the story she would tell me, you know, like, the impact that it had on her one time. I don't think all of my combined could have equaled her one
in 1971 Whatever it was on the ship, she went, you know, like back in those days, you know, so anyway, I didn't want to sign on no big shout. Some of them I can see some of my my camera gang to Serbia program from de la just finished today. Certainly the section that was at Makkah and Medina now obviously continues, I can see a lot of those folks in the, in the comments, especially Surya budgie who's right there loud and proud. Alright, so check them told the plan was to bring up some issues that we've covered in the class as well, you know about the focus a lot, you know, about divine link, the online version, we've done some videos on it.
But I know that you've been dealing with a few of these issues, both individually apart the library shots. And the I think as part of the fit councils just remind now which councils are you on now? It's not as one right.
Phil, Council of North America, which was founded by its neighbors now it's independent. FCRA. Right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the main the oldest one in America. That's the one. I'm just I'm not an official, but I'm contributing member.
Yeah. Um, so there's, there's a few of the individual things you're doing that then fuel the collective ones who hear the side, I'd be part of a column on that. But I found that, you know, span was very interesting.
And I don't know, I don't know, your your take on this. The Americans
in general seem to gather the counselors together, for novel. And by that I mean modern fatwa for some issues where it seems to be in the UK, there's a greater reliance on trying to make up the US or find a code within the madhhab as opposed to making a council kind of ruling on that. Any, any, any thoughts on us?
I think it's, it really goes back to the founders of our communities versus your communities. Right. Right. Right. In our communities, by and large, were founded by the Holika disciple movements, you know, of the 60s and 70s, you know, they were coming from let's be honest, to say Sabbath type school? Yes, they're coming from that. These are the founders of Islam. Akena, the founders of all the the old school masajid generally speaking, most of them are coming from that mindset, you know, whereas you guys, as you're aware, are coming straight from the masses like madhhab, you know, mindset, you know? Yeah, I think that's a very obvious ramification, therefore, that our old
discounsel is already
it's not wed to the notion of blindly following one particular method, they're already wanting to look at fickle Walker, you know, they're already looking at, you know, the global issues in light of our traditional sources, and more than happy to, you know, find a correlation between the two. Whereas as you're aware, you know, the Mormons have minded people, they really want to stick as much as possible to the metal and even if they go upon it photos to have to make to figure out it also they have to figure out from within their frame, how they're going to do that for a very high estimate. Yeah, hallelujah. And if you couldn't have any, any, if they're not fully mature Rama that
even if the hadith is weak, the maximum is universally accepted by our folk Aha, that this mainstream spectrum of the Ummah hamdulillah it gives us that limit of tolerance that we should respect and even if we disagree, disagree with each other,
on present, and present, right, okay, let's jump in. Then let's take a few of the messages that come to your mind. So I messaged you a little while ago. posture, the taxi coming out the airport, what do you what are the ones that hit you straight away? So why didn't you we would go like we did last time when we did to protect this house webinar. We do one by one challenge each other with what we think is relevant or what you've heard. One, you know, museo you say so yeah, let's go for it. This Mila J. I mean, there's obviously a lot of issues that are not necessarily modern, as much as they are, like context, modern ie it's not as if Salah has changed in 2023. But we're simply aware of
predicaments in a different way than in the past. And I think one or two things that come to my mind that when you mentioned you want to talk about, you know, Sudan, the modern world. I think the two main topics that I think our readers would find very our you viewers will find very beneficial. Number one
On Salah while traveling, the jungle and clustered issue, and it's not just overall, what is that the Hadith have suffered, which I think definitely the only we cannot be made happiest when it comes to the, you know the suffer distance. But also, when you're actually traveling in a plane, which is the most common form of long distance travel, and when you are traveling more than five, six hours, which is again, the default for I mean, pretty much every one of us at least twice a year, you know, or at least once a year, we'll be taking that long journey somewhere where we're going to cross over multiple time zones and multiple solid timings, right? If not, like four or five slide sometimes,
you know, when I go to Australia once every four or five years, I mean, literally, you're praying five prayers, you know, on one way and on the way back zero prayers, because you're crazy, I'm saying. So I think that's one issue. And then maybe later on another issue would be Salah in the northern latitudes, which again, and I was in Alaska a few months ago on a family vacation, and I met to the brothers and sisters you know, in, in Anchorage. And then in Fairbanks, which is like, you know, closest to the North Pole in America, you know, so I went all the way up to Fairbanks as well went to the Masada met the brothers there, and you know, interacted with them. And, you know,
hearing from them directly, how life is like and Ramadan, and the actual timings of Tarawa and suhoor. How unrealistic it is to follow photos that we give from the comfort of our middle latitudes.
You know, I think these are two issues, I think that come to my mind, if you want to discuss those, you know, so So before we open that up, I think what was interesting about the two examples that you gave, and by the way to everybody else is not pre planned, or we haven't done any kind of discussion, we just literally minutes ago said you know what the main matters that come to mind.
Just when the two that you just mentioned that what comes to mind immediately is what you said, there's no new Salah that's happening, right. And then the issues themselves are, as they always have been, but context changes. But maybe with a few things, you do have completely utterly unique situations. Like for example, jump on pasture, and even in a plane, you'll be able to, I mean, you're not creating any new rulings, per se, you're definitely making an analogy on what exists. So I think that that's pretty covered. Whereas on the issue of extreme northern climates, latitudes that are very, very high,
you've got two levels, you've got, first of all, the fact that I would put forward that we don't have anything, I can't remember coming across anything in the books of about extreme northern latitudes, very equatorial, equatorial stuff, most of the time, if you even if you look in the books of history, even if you look in the books of the travelers, and you see what the narration is, but they don't seem to be going high. They mentioned a lot about the differences in the music of the pupil and whether or they don't talk about the changes in length, or they have you in your reading, come across anything to prove that they went high. Yeah, from the 16th century onwards, there are
enough have a discussion, because Bulgaria was conquered by the Ottomans. And Northern Bulgaria. Of course, Bulgaria back then was not our modern Bulgaria, but that region. And so the Bhullar, you do find discussions? I don't want to mention the book's name, but I have come across it. I mean, so I mean, obviously, I'm not saying I read the awful book, but I read dissertations about this issue. Obviously, these dissertations are quoting, you know, is it even Abilene or whatever? Don't quote me on that. But basically, later enough, yes, we do find, as for the earlier, you write nothing comes to mind that people having been aware of Muslims living in those regions, and they probably weren't
Muslims living in those regions, you know, for the bulk of Islamic history up until, you know, the 15th 16th century CE, obviously, which is when these types of discussions are found the preliminaries but you're right, we don't have the type of detailed discussions, and definitely no
explicit factoids about what to do when the sun does not set, you know, what to do when, you know, for months go by and you either don't see the sun, or you don't see the moon. But there are references. Yes. And we can look them up. And I don't I mean, you know, I have books. So there's two things there as well. The first is, is that absolutely, you'd have expected the Hanafis to have come to this because that would be let latter. Expansion exploration underneath money. Exactly. So that's when you'd expect to see it. And that is actually is the first place that you start to see the concept of the signs of Asia have not entered. This was not a discussion in the other schools, other
than the Hanafi school. And actually, we still have some of the 100 people Aha, even though it's the more non madhhab. The more Shafi the more Arab type scholars that have given the football of combining and perpetual Twilight and the like, is actually the Hanafi school that set them up for the for their fatawa by suggesting that he doesn't enter because all
of the signs of Asia because of the disappearance of the white light and red light, by the way, I know that everybody that's online must be thinking hold on what's going on? The conversation is maybe depo phrases. I want to remind everybody that all of this content, every single thing that you just heard right now has been covered in the class,
not just in terms of content, not just in terms of demos, actually, even the movement of the sun, and recording via time lapse and my commentary over it, as well. By the way, we did the short answer. We did. Calgary now, you know, Alberta is northern hardcore. So we did that in the summer as well to show the concept of perpetual Twilight and the difference, the difference between normal times of the year and the like, so don't worry about the fact that you might be getting a little bit lost or whatever. And we have the live sessions as well in the class that will answer questions that maybe you folks are putting a here as well. But yeah, the point I was going to end with Chef is that
difference between not having a previous discussion amongst the football versus a discussion of the fuqaha today, but as you said, from the comfort of their own homes, and not actually in the field itself, which is almost as big a difference as not even having discussions back then. So that there are levels is almost three levels. Let's look for the back in the self can't find anything. Let's give it for today make the fatwa then you get out then you realize you're hopelessly off the off the off the mark. Right? Yeah, so you changed what would you let's let's kick off with northern climates. What would you say that you ruled with absolute confidence? I mean, you have discussed
this before over the last few years. You know, this has been a hot topic because obviously Northern Europe were in that that part. Yeah, no, you know, one of our mutual friends and scholars and teachers you have the energy that gave the footwork of combining tell me what you were upon what you changed. Yeah, so initially, like, I don't know how many years ago when your first study felt you form your initial mines and whatnot, maybe 15 years ago, whatever the decision I felt is that these people should follow the closest place that is still having five times follow up to the proper times where they're you know, and that photo is I think, still very reasonable I'm not against it by the
way it's all a gray area pun intended. It's all the gray area whichever position you follow there are many rules Emma and councils that have held it, but I traveled first and foremost the first time I traveled really up north was to Trump so in Norway, this was like seven eight years ago actually have a video still, you know, the northern motional through the pain Yeah. The word when Yeah, exactly.
Okay, yeah. So and I ate well, meat will stick as unique type of will that sold in Trump's Oh, what an amazing meat. But anyway, yeah. So I went to like Northern region. And the masjid by Iijima was following a footwear that at the time I mocked and ridiculed, right, but the Imam and the community and that fatwa, which I still lay out, mainly, they have told me I'm not happy with it, but I can see that it exists. You know, that is the following muck. Okay, they're falling mica throughout the year. There's your show times, pure artificial reality. Yep, yep. Yep. Just look at the watch and say, right, outside, it's tying directly right then visited Alaska recently, right? And turns out,
almost all of the massages are following the exact same position and are meant to share their thoughts. Share, Kenny, hurry, you're not the way I forgot. But, you know, graduate and
respected seminary. And he told me the exact same thing that he was an imam here in Central America here. And he sent me that my central meeting in the USA, and, you know, for the longest time, he would have the same footwear that, you know, they should follow something close by or something, then he goes, I've been living here six years, you know, with my wife and kids. And I've realized it's impossible to follow the footwear that you know, you delay it till like 11pm You know, which is the because, you know, in Fairbanks, like in Alaska, motive might literally be like 11:50pm Literally, like right before midnight, you know, and then 5g is gonna come in with 330 You know,
something like that. Now, put yourself as a family man, a working man, put yourself as a mother. Yeah, need to live a lifestyle where your father is at midnight. Right? And then you have to pray Taraweeh and then you have to, you know, have zeroed and then you have to get to work actually, it's, you ask yourself, Is this with the show that requires, you know, upon everybody and I discovered the vast majority of literal Sunday art and massage are definitely the largest messages in Anchorage and in Fairbanks are not following the photos I'm giving here in Dallas, you know, they're going with the mucca fatwa. So and this is not as if Trump so and and anchorage agreed to
this, you know, I'm saying but just by virtue of the fact that they found it so difficult. And then, of course, there's another factor which is very interesting, which is actually given by what is it the alleged
markers of falaka dually, which established a little bit I mean, it's an official body of the rabbit
and they have a nice photo on this regard, where they say, look, the footwork of following the closest land is definitely the ideal, but the *ty versus Muslim law. Do you mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the Sharia takes into account how much? And they said if somebody if for a reasonable reason, yeah, and they give very generic like somebody's working, you know, somebody's going to school like these are everybody does this right? They can't fast that long. Then another option, which is really interesting, is the 19 Hour Photo. Now, again, all of these are, there's no like hardcore bases. It's not like there's a hadith 19 hours, you know, but the aroma of this council and
their respected aroma, are they well known names that are sitting in the mushroom and filthy and others, they said 19 hours is the maximum level of reasonability, we can assume that a person is able to fast at least give them six hours, you know, five, six hours to you know, eat and sleep and drink and whatnot, you know, so, in the end of the day, we find you know, three or four
fatawa number one, that you make a deal and you must pray five prayers at some difference of time. Right, and they base this on the headache of the job well known. Number two, which is useful Judas which is okay Muslim, at least make Muslim at its time and Maghrib and Isha, you will just combine is one and that's like, as if you know how that Loboda or Mustafa number three is that find the closest Muslim land that still has sunrise and sunset and actual shelf Oklahoma disappearing, and then follow them. And number four is following Mecca. What is unites all four of these is that basically all of them are saying pray five times a day, and fast Ramadan, you know, I mean, that's
the whole point, whether you follow one, two or three or four, you are praying five times a day, and you are fasting the month of Ramadan, and each one of these four different schools Hamdulillah, there are great orlimar that have held them and, you know, you find that they're all trying to make our religion accessible. You know, there's a level of difficulty that Shetty I will reward you for, there's a level of difficulty that becomes foolish or too much, you know, and what that line is, is not set in stone. And the tobacco or the nature's of men are different. And some people can bear more than others. And the tobacco or nature's of fuqaha are different, and some folks are stricter
than others. So when you combine all of this, this is where we get the Rama in the diversity of the OMA, this will we get, you know, the Abu Bakr and Omar, you know, stuff like that not to compare with yin and yang, and there's an element of truth. You know, we thank Allah Subhana Allah to Allah for somebody like a bucket of sodium and for some of the honorable photogra The Allahu Anhu. Jimmy, and that represents really a type of diversity from the very beginning from the very get go, even amongst the Sahaba you had the more, you know, literalist, no exceptions, you know, even Abbas is an example. And then the more MCSA, the Ibn Masaru. There's an example you know, no problem and 100
ethical and so I actually gave a long q&a On my website on you know, my I have a q&a with the epic. And what I said, I went over all these opinions that I said, if you asked me which position to follow, I will say, don't listen to me or people living in northern lands, go listen to your local Imam. This was the answer I gave them. Don't listen to me. I don't live amongst you go to local sheriff and alum who lives amongst you, right? Because, you know, not every like Calgary is not the same as Fairbanks. You cannot compare Calgary to Fairbanks, you know? Yeah. So rather than give a you know, a hard and fast photo, from my humble opinion. No, I said, Look, these are all of the
majestic Jamia counselors out there, I went over all of these fatawa. And then I said, if you ask me which one you guys should follow, listen to me carefully. Don't follow me. Don't even come to me for this. Go to your local masjid. And if they have a chef who is trained in what not he will be aware of all of this, whichever footwear he gives you. Fecal lynfit Alhamdulillah. So question for you on the back of that, what level and you know that this kind of approach to fit?
Where we're trying to make things easy based upon the fact that fit by definition is about making things easy, by literally by definition.
Also, we have to have some potion, or what would you use as your yardstick your red line where you can see situation going on? Because otherwise it gets silly. And that's something that Yeah,
I told the brothers up there, that if you're going to follow this factor in the summer months, you should follow it in the winter months as well. Nice, nice, nice. I said don't don't don't, you know, follow when it's difficult and I'm saying and then Marcela budget in the winter months is going to be what, like eight 9am scheduled and then Margaret was going to be like two to 2pm, you know, saying I said so don't follow any local timings at that time. That's not fair either. Then if you want to follow the fatwa, then you should be consistent and therefore you're living here for periods of time. Then I don't see this as Yanni, you know, but obviously even this is an opinion by the
Because other football would say no, no, let them take the laxity when the model was easy, you know, but I personally, I don't know, if you want to be considered, you're going to follow MCCA then follow Monica Hollis. Fair enough. Follow McCann, Hollis. Yeah. And you're, you know, set in this regard. But then I mean, anyway, and
there's no, there's no easy answer to this. But I would say TerraForm this email whom you know, people by their reputation. So look at the track records of the scholars whom you're asking for to choose from. And if you find amongst them consistent, laxity in everything, and it's not a healthy sign, and if you find amongst them, sometimes they give the easy and sometimes it gives the hard fatwa This is a very good sign. And if you find the always give the structure for the weather, it's also not a good sign. So I would say telephone bousema. Excellent. All right. Okay, go well, what was the your thoughts on the plane, you've seen the video that I did.
That wasn't covering, obviously, the fact of when to pray it concerning the timezone change, it was a very straightforward journey, where the evening came in Madrid came in Salah was easy to be able to work out, et cetera. And the issues that that come forward in the modern time is when a day comes, and you don't pray at all. Or you've gone the other way around by Pacific, and you've skipped a day, right? Was the person that Yvonne, I don't see a problem with that because you will make it up one way and you will make it this is an arbitrary timesheet. What I'm going one way gently rough.
Then how long then your one way is over there as well. No problem is shallow. Okay? I don't see a problem with this you're crossing over the date line means nothing. You look at it, you look at the the, you know, your 24 hours is what you need to look at and your sunset and sunrise. That's what you need to look at. So I think from Australia, on the way back, you might leave after fajr if I'm not mistaken. And you will arrive in America Yanni basically before us before the whole leverage, right. So local.
So local version, you live in Australia, local time. So the whole way is the sun. That's the point always the sun, that's it doesn't matter. The local times is the matter in which your journey is right where you are, on the way other way. So finally, you'll be praying five prayers, you know, because you'll see the entire Sunrise Sunset while you're on the plane. So the way that I mean, this is of course, this the vast majority opinion, if you look at where you are, you don't look at the anywhere you you look at the sunrise and sunset where you are even if it's on the plane, you just look outside and you can make a judgment call. Right? So pleasure for you comes when you see the
sunset, not when the sunsets were 30,000 feet under, you know, it's where do you see the sunset. And the main issue obviously comes about K fee at the salah on the plane.
Again, there's a whole spectrum of opinions. I know, let's not mention names, but the only one of the senior scholars of the sad Jani school, he has referred to a very famous footwear where he literally said, you don't pray on the plane. Now even you know, and this is a photo that many of his followers follow. And he goes you make it up a lot and when you land, okay, because he has some I don't want to say harsh adjectives, but you're not with us. It is basically. Yeah, he's not considering a solid, solid ground. Yeah, yeah. So it's like a loss, you don't pray? Okay, it's an opinion, what can I say? It's an opinion, I just, I don't find that to be something that I'm
attracted to. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on this. Right. So again, you got to understand now we have obviously a lot of folks online here and those that will be taking a class of their different levels. There has to be some clarity for them. Right, especially from us, those who lead them and and teach them and answer their questions. Where we're kind of calling a lot in this era, as you know, and rightfully so you put the argument for it very well, and you have a reputation for it, that we need to bring people together more we need people to appreciate differences of opinion more and to calm down.
The problem is, is that when you create that paradigm amongst the people, they certainly do not have the ability then to differentiate between what is a nonsense? And if we keep on just saying it's an opinion, it's an opinion, we're actually undermining the science in the field itself.
You just said a few seconds ago that, you know, it's important to them to know the right people because they have that range. And you're able to see that they've got you know, they're not blinkered in just one way, so you can trust them. One of the ways that we must have trust is to call out when something is nonsense. Now obviously, that's a strong word, because you can always put an argument I mean, in all of them or their head, all of them or them, there's a discussion about height of prior
to email them and whether he can be on the same whether it is a platform, not platform, those of the people on the second level so the conversation exists, so you can't say that it's better
useless. But then it's we have to have the guts I think to say, well, this is a norm now that ground is a different type of ground that we're on. And we've got to treat it like that there's an almost consensus on that one Earth would you change that when it's only going to increase? Not decrease? Right? Great. So this this, I mean, this voice is relatively solitary. Very, I don't know if any other reputable item alive today, maybe 100 years ago when they're discussing theoretical fit. And they wrote these types of things. So he has a quote from somewhere, some some classical book or medieval book, and, and maybe, you know, they had some notions back then. But the modern world we
live in, you have, I don't know, 300 million people flying in planes per year. I don't know how many, you know, some some exorbitant number, we have to be pragmatic about we can't just tell them okay, your Salah you don't have to bring on your the plane. So, I mean, I respect the chef, I just think this is a fringe opinion. That's all I'm gonna say. Now, if an army doesn't know any better, and he follows the chef, he's excused in the eyes of Allah subhana wa Tada. And we're still teaching respect, because, you know, the chef has studied and he has a munsif that allows him to give that you've got a dodgy opinion doesn't destroy everything. Exactly. You have some dodgy opinions? I
know. I have quite a few. So it's okay.
It's all fine, bro. Actually brutally honest. If an Adam doesn't have a few dodgy opinions will lie, it means he's a really mediocre Blaze on him. You know, I'm saying let's be honest here. Every single mover and shaker every single person who was originally wanting to benefit the Obama, he has some things that are kind of on the fringe. But you look at the overall, you know, that's the reality of our own mind. So yeah, I mean, no problem if somebody has, you know, a physician like this, but that is a fringe. Now, let's get to the mainstream ones, mainstream ones, what you have, for example, many of the senior high enough and the deobandis in particular, you know, they have a
very strict fatwa, I admire it, I have no problems, whoever does it. I just think it's a little bit too strict. And that is, you pray in your seat. But you know that your prayer is bottled.
And you must repeat your prayer when you get to your destination and you make it all up again. Okay? Mashallah. Okay, yeah, it's fine. Then, of course, you have the, you know,
those that are, they're adamant that they're going to stand up and pray in the exits of the plane. So you know, and, frankly, I'll be honest, I followed this opinion, pre 911. I followed it in my 20s. When I was a student, Medina, every time I go, and this was before there was any airline that had a player prayer place, by the way, Western airlines, Eastern Airlines, you know, those were different times. Do you remember those times, you know, the late 90s, and whatnot, you know, I would do this, I'd never once Jonnie sat down in my place and prayed pre 911. But post 911, as you know, I think the world changed. And not just that, but it's not just the 911 it's actually that there is a
legitimate reason why you should not be standing in the exit of the plane, there is a safety factor, there is a sensible reason why you're not supposed to congregate in those areas. So I don't think that it is feasible in planes that don't have a special prayer place, that you stand up and face the people and pray. There is no plane except for one airlines that would allow you to do that the only airlines then that has a prayer, please call us then you stand in line back there. When your turn comes, you're going inside you pray, and then no question. That's the default you should be doing. Where there is a prayer space, no question. You shouldn't be in that prayer space. But if there's no
prayer space, then I think the most reasonable fatwa and it is a mainstream one, and I believe your video explicitly mentioned this, is that as the prophet sistrum said, you know, suddenly demand for a lamp tested for coffee then for Elim tested for Allah Jim, right? You try your best is the PA here is relative. And it is contextual. And I think this is where we get back to the context of fifth. It's not as if we're rethinking through fifth, it's that the context of the heritage of standing up in a moving aeroplane that's moving at 550 miles an hour given the current safety issues and the current political climate and the current everything, that context is somewhat unprecedented. So for
us to then take into account this is a genuine heritage for the traveler, for the CO travelers for the airplane pilot to take into account safety issues right for the you know, airhostess is everything there it is a genuine how to it and even by the way, I remember when I was to do that in the back in the day, I would interfere with the trolleys. You know, I mean, it's a genuine back then I was my fanatical Come on, this is like 2324, the medina days big beard. Yanni, there was no worry of the 911 thing, but you're interfering in the service of the airline. You know, it's not like what type of that's not the religion that really we need to be a little bit more Jonnie, understanding
that WHO ARE YOU
You had to block the passage way of saying and it's not right for a person to do this. So I think it is reasonable for us to take into account the modern heritage of an airplane wouldn't say the same in a train that has space. Okay? If there's a train that has space, then Bismillah, go to a corner and pray no problem. But an aeroplane is a different, you know, completely different arena. And for us to understand that, yes, there is a genuine how to edge to block the aisle to block the exit, and there is no space to pray, then I think the most obvious strategy we should give is you turn your face to the table as much as you can for the tech bureau. Right? You make a judgment call, and you
can and remember, by the way, and you are the chef, but most of our viewers, if they've studied with you, they would know but as you are most of the woman Muslimeen they complicate table of far more than it needs to you know, people that is generic, my banal machinery will not reveal qibla, you know, cabler, you face a very generic direction, and you're facing the Qibla. Actually, it is a fitna to have the iPhone watches with the cripple on it, because it messes up with the minds of the Muslims, right. And they literally think, Oh, if I prayed this way, my salah is about it, because my arrow points this way, you know, they don't understand the Qibla. And I'm roofie Hisa. From from the
north of the Hadith, you pray in a generic direction. That's it. So if you're traveling north traveling east, you don't have to have a, you know, a boy scouts badge of honor to understand, you know, well, you guys know, the Boy Scouts do I mean, these? These are kids that training in mountaineering and in maps? Yeah, you don't need to know the details of a map, just have a very basic idea where the plane is going right? And just make a generic guess. Okay, the stimulus to my right, or the tools to my left, that's all you need to do. That's literally it. And then you just face in your seat as much as you can, you know, say that's a great if you're in business class, I
agree. Stand up, you know, and other Dreamliners a lot of the newer yet, yeah, if you're in premium economy as well, you can at least stand up and just in your seat, say the Fatiha, you know, and then record, you sit down and says that you go down a little bit more. I think this is a very acceptable fatwa. And I'll be honest, that's what I do. I do it all the time. When I know, obviously, and here's a disclaimer, I don't know if you're gonna agree with this or not. Let's have a little bit of back and forth. If the two prayers,
I can pray them combined, either before or after, then I will do so. Yeah. 100% agree with that. Yeah. But here's the caveat. Even if I haven't begun my travel, I'm at home. Yeah, I think there's space for that as well. And as you know, I would rather pray standing and fall then preceding and shortened in the plane. Yes. So what about how many concessions are you taking? Right? Yeah, so Exactly. Yeah, it's an equation you think, on the plane, I'm going to be taking a concession upon standing, I'm not going to be making such that I'm not exactly whereas if I combine our home Well, that's the only concession I'm taking exact concession, which is well established for reason anyway,
a concession which doesn't require emergency situation. How do you think that bus? Absolutely. And I think that's the point people have got to
what people can't do is just to allow this difficulty build to build upon that non kind of already feared state don't really feel regular insulin away and just use it as an excuse not to pray. Exactly. That's the disaster, we've got to make sure that we can kind of avoid that. There's something you just said that reminded me You know, I mean, I don't think anybody has any any question that you shouldn't be putting in the in the in the in the walkways, or the whatever they call it emergency exit areas. Once this is now going back to 90s. I was coming back from Mauritania, right. And I've done
a little session there. And I got into the plane, and the Air France and those days were the only airline that was flying from rockshop to Paris, there's only way that you could get in. And there were obviously Mauritania, back then the same was now one of the poorest countries in the world. So most of the people on the plane are aid workers, right.
So there's a lot of non Muslims on the plane. And there was a three, those three French folks young kind of whatever at the bulkhead, so the bulkhead is, you know, the right at the front where the wall is normally economy class, normal kind of thing. So I'm sitting a few rows back to sitting there watching and I see Schumpeterian Mauritanian, get up. And he's looking around, you know, and you can see that he's looking at the floor. He's thinking, Where can I pray? So the emergency exits are there. No, there's current and they can't see anything. And he's looking at this situation. He's looking at the alleyway and he kind of works out. I can't bring elevators people going up and down.
So you see these three people sitting.
Okay, and then he stands at the like, you
Imagine the guy sitting there with his hands right there in front of him. And they're also looking at this guy who's standing where their feet is. Understanding is no problem. And even the the What was weird but then when he went to such the, you know, like you clear the stones away before you make sense that he pushed the feet away, oh my God, all of their feet. We went for full search there. And he prayed. He prayed fully and I remember telling the story in the first version of divine link when we taught this on site. That wasn't the killer. The killer was a huge radius to America, and I'm watching him a Solomonic Allah, a Solomonic masala stuff lost stuff, Allah, Allahu
Allah either in our room, he's sitting there for five minutes making a ticket with these people, they are like
the greatest thing I've ever seen on a plane, the craziest thing ever on a plane. All right. So. So we've done
northern latitudes, we've done the issue of praying in restricted areas. This obviously covers causes Well, again, to everybody who's watching, there's a lot of term terminology that's being used. There's a lot of examples that are being used, I promise you every single one of these uncovered in detail. And with live q&a, I mean, obviously, now we have very limited time, just to touch things in the in a kind of not so deep way. But you'll have the opportunity to be able to ask about these in the sessions, not just as part of the recording sessions when you sign into the class, but also in the live q&a sessions of which we have many, especially these cars is closed
covered, every form of transport is covered. All right.
There's something that I'm going to release a clip on tomorrow. I don't know whether you must have heard you get you've got your ear to the internet, you must have heard about the masjid that's in the centre of London, that doesn't allow women to pray in the masjid. I've heard a lot about it. Right? So we so in the class, we went to the masjid. Okay, with a group of sisters. Okay. And basically try to make any, you know, some kind of
miss La and try to, you know, understand the situation from the girls side and from their side. And it's honestly, it was one of the most fascinating things we did in the class. And there'll be a small clip we'll share tomorrow, what's your take on male only and female only Spaces Spaces for For this Allah.
I mean, obviously, female only spaces is easier to discuss, because there's no shorter a reason for that. Male only spaces, I understand the psychology of our elders, because from their perspective, Joomla is obligatory on the male, and it's not depicted on the female. And space is limited. And so they have their reasons. I do understand those reasons.
As you're aware, the entire globe is really shifting its understanding of gender roles, and frankly, even gender right now, right. And this is going to be a very contentious discussion, where there's no black and white clear cut answer, how much do we
allow the changing of our own mores and traditions
in order to prevent a greater change that we don't want? Right? How stubbornly should we stick to each and every issue that maybe our ancestors, you know, stuck to. And this is not an easy discussion. It involves multiple factors, including culture, including psychology, including masculinity and femininity. shudder is one of the many factors involved. So once again, I can't take a clear cut side here, I can speak in generics. Given the changing circumstances of the globe, I think it is necessary for the majority of massage it to have spaces for men and women. I think that we need to cater to the needs of our sisters in a way that perhaps some of our societies had not
done hitherto, especially in generations gone by. And given that, you know, in those societies, women rarely left the house anyway. And when they did, they will go out in groups to do a group task and then come back. Given that the modern world you know, that has gone out the window, whether we like it or not, it is a fact. And that our sisters, our daughters, your daughters are going to see University going everywhere, going shopping when the need is going to the grocery store. And the one place where we want to maintain our traditional values is the mosque. Clearly, there's an element, you know, of
cognitive dissonance going on here. There's an element of that just doesn't make any sense like the one place we'd rather they could do that anywhere else is the message
To listen to I had to pray and whatnot. So I am definitely a big advocate of generally speaking, I don't want to speak about specific massages, because again, let each Masjid try to, I mean, let those fights happen within who am I to get involved with in the local district and community but the sisters who live there, from within in a gentle manner, let's see what can be done, approach the board, see what can be done. But from my side generically, I will stay to that. I think it is necessary to protect the Iman of our brothers and sisters, and especially our sisters, that we accommodate them, as much as the Shetty allows them to be accommodated. And we should rethink
through gender roles, not genders, gender roles, so that we can prevent a greater onslaught, a more an unwelcome onslaught, right, we need to bend a little so that we can preserve a lot. And we have to be blunt and clear about this. That's why I'm being so blunt and clear. We don't mince our words, I actually say this very explicitly. When I teach sisters classes and whatnot. I say, Listen, I'm more than happy to fine tune the default. But I'm not going to change the fact that there is an there was a default, you should know there isn't there was a default, the fact that we're fine tuning it for our times, it's because times have changed. But let's not criticize the past. And
let's not claim our modern notions are the default. Let us understand what we're doing here. And let us recognize that yes, there might be a mess left for our time in place. But that doesn't mean that the people in the past had you know, wrong for all of these 13 and a half, you know, centuries. So bottom line, women's only messages don't make any sense to me whatsoever. Why? If your message it doesn't have enough by the way, this is not an American phenomenon in terms of women don't come to the masjid is very rare in America to have such a masjid very rare. There are still some, but frankly, I don't even know if any, I don't know of any mainstream Masjid like this, right. But if
there is such a masjid work from within, or for sure, you will find the masjid close by that has a woman space. Now, I think we should very practically and pragmatically make a condition that women's prayer spaces need to have a similar ambience, don't throw them in the closet, don't throw them in the moldy carpet, you know, have adequate AV facilities, you know that they can hear the chef, you know, see what not all of this is, I think a part and parcel of what we can reasonably demand. Other than this, I mean,
the fact that there are there any women's only massages in UK? I don't think so right. Now that I know of no, no. Okay, even the one here, it's, it's more of a PR thing than an actual lived reality. You know, this? I mean, it's not as if they actually have regular events in what it's more of a PR.
Orthodox place. No, right. progressive, and it's the standard progressive place. And yeah, I mean, 3040 people go there in all of North America. So be it, you're gonna have these, you know, fringe ideas and opinions and
some of their grievances are legit. But the solution to those grievances is not to break away. The solution is not to form your own, the solution is to work from within. And, you know, the sad reality is that at least within the North American scene, by and large, our sisters are accommodated, our families are accommodated by and large. I know, there's many exceptions, the main complaint that our sisters which is a legit complaint is that the ambience is subpar. That's a legit complaint. But by and large, almost every Masjid that is built here has place for the sisters to pray Allah home except for those temporary will sell less for Joomla. You know, they hire an office
or they hire something that's not a full built message that's like, you know, it has to be done. You know, for the for the time being. I'm not talking about those temporary muscle layout, which yes, generally speaking, are male dominated, because there's Joomla they only hire them for Joomla. And if five females show up, they'll be right at the back and they might feel a bit uncomfortable. You know, it is what it is. That's not a purpose built in terms of purpose built in terms of appropriated spaces. America, North America, Canada, by and large, it is men and women, both of them.
Yeah, I don't think that is I mean, I have to say that actually I found that very kind of cautious and careful
when what you said I would go further I would say that the the changing roles, the ones that have caused so much disturbance amongst male minds right that have led to this kind of counter.
I don't know whatever you want to call it 100 Hill culture that
rose what is it?
Whatever it is, I'm just behind on all of this kind of lingo but that type of thing.
Of course, there have been changes which have led to react
shins, obviously that being a crazy reaction. But surely, I actually think that the priority now when it comes to prayer space is to be focused on the ladies as opposed to men. I think that with men being able to always have an option to pray outside, easy, security wise, the like, and women less so less or less. So even though by the way, they are extremely industrious as one thing that I found out through this class, right, recording divine link, when we went out into like, you know, doing the live demos and stuff with different sisters, like the way that they were able to say, right, listen, this is the shops that we go to this is the shops that we don't go to, this is what
you look for in a dressing room. Right? So you know, the like so for example, they have these girls on next level, when they've worked out the kind of dressing rooms you pray and and those that you don't, those, they they judge them by the length of the doors produced. There's a whole lot of folks out there that we've never even heard of
the doors apparently, I mean, the standard question about music's playing, we cover that and it's straightforward. You're not, you're not listening to the music you're hearing versus is. Exactly there's a difference between that, but the doors and the fact that you should not have a gap at the bottom. So much so that people will be looking under when you're in such that was one of the sisters was saying that when you come up if you if you don't, if you don't have a choice, you go for that one, but you always put the your bags across NBA, Mashallah. They know what they're doing, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're going to adapt. But do they? Should they be adapting? Right? Should
they be forced to do that with men? Having the responsibility to protect the confidence support? 100%? Yeah. And of course, let's not forget, let's be again, the awkward issue of a woman bowing and prostrating in public, why should you have to do that? And man, it's 100 times a million times easier, right? Why should our sisters have to do this? So again, like I said, clearly, we should be advocating for female spaces in our messages, you know, there's no doubt about that. And I hope inshallah to the communities that don't have that they should rethink throne, even if it means that, you know, they give them certain timings to come or whatever it might be. I mean, I don't know the
logistics of this particular Masjid. But something should be done such that our sisters allowed or allowed to pray I know, it, there was a major issue, wasn't it that a sister wanted to pray, and she, the time was going out in that Masjid didn't even allow her to pray? I don't understand. I mean, that's not very healthy, and so not healthy. It's not healthy. The problem is, is the individual kind of cases that caused the news, if you look into it, the history of that much is fascinating when it was set up in the 60s.
But anyway, the web can watch that on the video. That's the guy who come out tomorrow, it's from a clip from the class. All right, I know that shirt. So do you have a T sub class coming up right now.
And time is limited, one more from you
to basically close up and then I'll just address these folks, I know that you need to come we're going to keep you any more than what we agreed. What's your final kind of thing that's been on your heart or mind that you want, once had one to recreate some before, but let's just finish in a healthy way.
I don't know what was your What was your position on the COVID? I think we're on a similar wavelength. Right. During the COVID crisis. That was the last big crisis of like, when it was at its peak. That was yeah, it was those little those little to be worried about that. The big issue was when a drummer is a jump from not being not being in the main hall. So following on TV, and then by extension of following them on in buildings. A common boy you ended up because you're all over the place these days. So no, no, I my my opinions throughout all of COVID were consistent. I didn't change my mind throughout all of the years and Oh, fifth Council gave the same to us. We were I
mean, we were all you know working on this because obviously we've got we've got we've got we've got to take him by surprise because that all went and you know, gave
off backtrack as
Yeah, exactly. And he can't deny he
he's my teacher, man. He's my guy. Yeah. But but but he gave the fatwa and then obviously realize it was a mistake, but But you didn't go down that line? Yeah, no, no, no. But I said for salata, Jumuah and II that year, we couldn't have read. I said like a SUTI. Any, you know, a fake joining where you just sit there because that's what we did an epic you know, we had a live stream to 1000s of people. And I just said to them sit down with your family in your houses, listen to the hotspot as if it's the hotbar and when it I've signed up for two primary Touriga you pray for an outdoor okay, it's like you just do that okay. And the same for Saturday that year we didn't have read we said the same
thing that you know, you just any listen to the hotbar and if you want to stand and give two three minutes and then any you know the slot I mean, first of all, and then that you know saying the same thing.
Like you know certain oh sorry it was the other one so you pray your Salah right we're gonna announce we're praying we're praying now guys you guys pray that's what we literally did we announced you know it was me and you know three people behind me six feet apart and we're going to you guys pray we're gonna pray now and I think that was the mainstream photo and this is kinda was this is where he had comes in right and then obviously when for that five six months we had the six feet distance once again we had issues where people said is jemar is vaulted and whatnot we said no Yanni six feet for a reason and your visual you're all seeing each other it's clearly the point is
when you look at such a group of people all praying in unison you understand it is a Jamar is still our hen and Alkalyn you understand this a Gemma even if our classical folklore who didn't have this type of pneus This is where modernist they had come so we said no problem for those five, six months where you know, between the bands being lifted and you know, join you had to have the six feet apart. Yeah, before that time we had three different cameras and each one was that six feet apart. And yeah, that's the I think that was the majority of what was there on the globe. And I think it's important to clarify as well but that when you said a four person to you know to listen to the
football this is only because they're not coming to the masjid or exactly yeah, it's not it's not a bad it's just like nephila Yes that's what I've said already. It's a visual thing you know, I'm saying like so let me put a real case to you. I mean, that was temporary let's do the real stuff obviously the issue that that this comes from is praying in hotels in Makkah right in the masalas and looking down and not leaving you know the masala because it takes ages to get down or it's you know, hot and crowded and you with the great unwashed masses and people don't want to do that. So you see all Americans mashallah yeah and praying in the Muslim oh yo boys from Epic tell us anyhow
it was a low roll
stuff but Allah did you meet our group I have a we have a group that right now by the way. Yeah, they were abroad
I'll make sure that they are updated about AES this against them Mashallah. We were in the cabin frame wrote down Bob.
You up Americans up there in the Fairmont Hotel?
So the question here is a question back to you to get to the camera. When did you have to leave to pray inside the home? At the moment? You got to be half an hour before the other? Okay. How would you answer your question? You've answered the question right there. What do you do with most of the children, the women, the elderly, who are not going to be able to make it half an hour before every single setup? Why are people even going for Amara than if they don't? If they think that this is are they going on a holiday? This is the problem, right? This is going on a luxury holiday where they want a luxury experience, which she does go to Dubai?
Why Why? Why are they changing the structure of the dean? From what I hear that might be making a macabre but anyways, for all of us, you know that you love that behavior? I know. Right? So here's the thing. So here's the thing, which read now I'm super strict against that. And I don't want to hear that nonsense. And it really irritates me. But I will say this much. In this program that I've just finished right now that I've just come back from, I spent half of the time praying in the extension.
And the extension has grown on me on a way that I never imagined because I was using it last year and it's very dirty, there had not been cleaning, because the staff were not there. Now, if what he's back, under cleaning, and everything is back to full levels. The extension is unbelievable. And I don't know whether you noticed, but whether people are sitting and the way they've designed it for all of the men and women, you can see a glimpse of the caliber, just a glimpse. every angle, I show that that's good. Isn't the most extraordinary design actually like extension? You did it half an hour to get there? No, no for the extension, you can actually get, you can leave at a gun or 10
minutes before your karma.
the point I was going to make is that if someone is going to say that it is completely impermissible to be praying in and masala with the GEMA or further back, you know the extension when you're praying in there, you're probably at some points, half a kilometer away from the line in front of you. Yeah. And it's not as straightforward as people think. Yeah, that's the point. So if you're already that way, and there is matassa and so forth all the way to the Fairmont and you're praying on the second floor and floor whatever it might be. And I understand the position I don't see a problem with it when the crowd is such that it is clearly you can clearly see the sofa of going to a
reasonable doesn't it doesn't have to go straight into the wall. Never play advocate against that if you wait until the very last second before the comma then of course your lines are going to then develop like that. The problem here is the attitude. The problem here is a privilege read by
saying that the sofas are not matassa and the Salah is belted is also too harsh. You can say the attitude is lazy 100% Agreed. You can say the reason we can't say that the slides bottle is because the Maliki and the Hanafi acceptor seeing the cute the line from the topic and reported to be dissolved so forth. So yeah, anyway
Yeah and again to folks who are watching the class that these kinds of med hubs and positions of course are going to be will be covered in detail. But Shakira said listen, I appreciate your time I know that you need to go for the next class. So you go and I'll, I'll finish off here I don't want to hold you anymore. I'd like that and I look forward to seeing you soon Inshallah, whenever that next time will be, and to all the students online Zachman Alafaya May Allah subhanaw taala bless all of you and your tolerably early May Allah give you baraka and your time, they Allah azza wa jal protect my and your families from any harm from any evil May Allah subhanaw taala guide us and guide
others through us. Zack Kamala Harris, Santa Monica Rapperswil law, he will borrow money from Sonoma to lower capital. So folks, I appreciate you guys coming for the for the webinar that we're sharing so sharing his thoughts Roy is someone that has
looked at the different issues that affect the Muslims
and always willing to research them deeply. That's one of the things he doesn't get credit for. A lot of people will react to his statements which are kind of like, you know, one line, social media kind of very, what's the word? I don't know, the good clickbait that's the word clickbait type kind of positions that he hasn't they don't appreciate actually, just the depths that goes into those statements. They don't throw away statements. Now, folks with respect to this, obviously, we've come to the natural time for this class anyway, but I know that he had to start his class I had to let him go. The football sulla as a class folks has been covering what we've covered today in today's
lesson in today's session, yeah.
in far more detail, of course. And then all of the normative aspects of all of the things that you come across in your your day whether you're at home or traveling or at work or whether you're in a car or truck, in, in particular modes of transport, in situations of emergency in sickness and in health. Every single possible situation that you can be whether you're alone whether you're in the congregation, whether you're in the office with non Muslims with the Muslims, whether in the masjid whether in gatherings, mixed gatherings female only male every single
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