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Salam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh and welcome to this the third show on my page today. And we have a beautiful panel of contributors tonight on this show. This is a voice of Islam platform based in New Zealand. I do have an echo in my ear from beautiful brother Fahad Tasneem from America. So we just need to mute your mic whilst I'm speaking, I think. And that's the only way around this My dear brother, I'm really sorry about that. No worries, I have very limited ability to focus normally without hearing my own voice back on me all the time. So anyway, we're gonna be discussing difficult questions, quote, unquote, difficult questions about the faith of Islam yet again, and this is our
regular slot. It was 10 o'clock last week, we tried 10 o'clock, we're trying eight o'clock to see whether we get more of an audience because we need many people watching and sharing ideas with us. We sharing ideas, this is a forum to share ideas about this beautiful message of Islam that we have gotten that we love so much. And we don't want to justify, we just want to talk about it and humanize the message. You know, we want to make it real, real talks. That's what they say on the street real talks. That's what the gangsters are talking about. That's what all of the rappers and grime artists are talking about. That's not getting to grime artists, not today, because we know
what happened today. But no, everyone looks very blankly at me. Oh, no, no, I know. I know. You know, you know, okay.
But we're not gonna get into that, because we don't want to get into controversy. Do we? We talked about Islam instead.
Right. Okay. So the first kind of issue that's come up and I've
I've been talking to a few friends of mine and and they bought some issues from their children. And I remember use of Islam once told me use of Islam, the singer, the famous singer. Yeah, you know, him Cat Stevens. He, you know, I was having problems with one of my children. And he came up to me said UCF, I know you've been having some issues with your children, you know, and just want to remind you of the story of Noah, Elissa.
He said they give dower for 950 years. And yet his son retreated to the top of the mountain to escape the wrath of Allah against his better wishes. So if you're looking for perfection in this world, you're looking for every child, even of the most quote unquote, noteworthy Muslims. I'm not saying is noteworthy Muslims, you ain't gonna get it. Right. However, there are some incredible questions out there. And you know what, it's a reflection for us and it's an ability for us to get to know our faith better, and how to, to bring it across in the best possible way. So what do we got? We got some beautiful brothers or we got for those as he's all the way from Auckland in New
Zealand, part of Western response la Monica.
I hope you will check and we've got Mohamed Thompson also from the same evening from Auckland. Salaam aleikum. Alright, we'll start from accounting. And we've got Fahad Teslin, from USA. So now when it comes to love, I can sit down and we've got we've seen khamsum All the way from London yet the the higher ranks of civilized ops civilized civilization should I say? And we've got Jim shade all the way from Wales for now when
it comes down to a better cattle. So I thought we'd fortify our team a little bit more. Because the more the merrier. They say, as my mother used to say, I don't know if it's true. But two's company three's a crowd and I didn't want 60s. But it's going to be exciting tonight shall. So we've got a couple of issues that come up from some questions that have been sent to me. So the first one of those is the issue of juice, juice, Gulp and Gog Magog. So as we know, it is possible to know that there is a people that have been locked up and they've been locked up for 1000s and 1000s of years and they will not be able to come out until Allah subhanaw taala gives permission for those people
to come out and they will wreak havoc when they come out. Now. So there's a question, how is it that Allah subhanaw taala can hide these people away? This is the question and no human being will ever be able to find them until Allah gives them permission, even though we know this dunya so well, we are we've gone to the tops of the mountains and the bottom of the oceans and we know the universe is according to this question.
No. And you know, in all sincerity, let's try and give some tangible arguments for them to understand the answer to this. So who would like to start?
put their hand up? Or if this is like University Challenge this program now?
Should we start with Sheikh wisi?
Yeah, go for it.
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we spoke earlier, obviously, you're gonna use it about some questions that were posed regarding George George.
This is obvious something is mentioned in the Quran.
In line with the story of Laurel carbonate.
of late, there has been some discussion regarding Gog and Magog who yet George George, and some of the information that we know about them. And we know that there were two nations that existed previously, who create a lot of mischief. And
if you'd like to record nine, was employed to kind of
imprison them. In short, these two nations remain in the earth,
and that they will appear towards the end of time. There are many innovations. substantiating that now, this is not a kind of a theological discussion, bringing what evidence is, but the question is that, how is it? Or why? How rather, can such a people reside in the middle of the earth for so long? who feeds them? How comes? We haven't found them? Because, you know, man is so great, because we've discovered everything surely? And how comes? We haven't discovered these two in enormous nations?
On Earth, therefore, with some Muslims questioning the reality, or what is this actually mean? Is it something? Obviously not? It's not in the realms of fantasy? Because the Quran mentions it? But what is the reality of it? Is it something that existed at one point of time, and then it kind of takes a little, there's nothing really happened. And then Allah subhana, Allah raises another two nations, which are from the progeny of those two, okay? Or is a continuation of the same? Two nations? A lot of these questions are being asked a lot, a lot of them with the youth, how can this be? How can people live for 4000 years, if it is the same continuation of
if this is the platform, then there are
more amazing things in the Quran than that. So I guess whatever, we're dealing with anything in the Quran, we have to go back really to the beginning, that a person is posing such questions, which on the scale of possible confusion to somebody that's pretty low on the scale, in terms of other things, which may be even more challenging to a person, maybe to accept. So I think it goes back to more than just trying to isolate and give answers to George. George, it goes beyond that. You need to have a discussion with some with an individual person as to basic things like
the ability of Allah subhanaw taala, is Allah azza wa jal restricted? Is he not capable of doing certain things with nations, you know, as I listen to Him, being taken up into the heavens alive, and then spending what was you know, at least 2000 years now, roughly, Allah knows best and more, and he's one knew him, but a human being. And he said, that's just as amazing. So it's not just Yeah, George and George, but it's the principle and extends to many other things. So I think the discussion really goes back to and it's the last point I'll make sure
to allow you to obviously to add, that is that we have to talk about before that with regards to the coder or the ability of Allah subhanaw taala once a person has a real strong foundation understanding concerning that, then all these matters that the person can bring are really answered because, you know, we've established something far greater than having to need to go into these sort of discussions. Okay, that's not beginning. Well, that was just sokola What a brilliant beginning Great answer. Who wants to go next Fahad or Jamshed
wants to go well, USA, Wales or USA? We start with the right my right is Jim sheet. Okay, slow.
So, I'm going to
take a cop out from from the beginning and just literally say, Allah knows Allah Harlem, the way that I actually approach questions particularly of this nature.
is to ask the question, how does this change your relationship with Allah? subhanaw? taala? Like, if you were to know the answer to this, what changes? Does your belief in Allah subhanaw taala change? Does your belief in the Quran change? Does does your belief in Rasulillah Salam change? What literally changes in your life? Is this the single question that is holding you back? From, you know? Well, depending on which way you're looking at it from entering Islam? Or is this the one thing that might cause you to leave Islam, just because you don't know. And if that is the case, then I would invite the person to really take a long hard look at themselves. As I say, look, the
position that you're taking here is one of arrogance, which is to assume that you have to know everything, you have to know everything about everything before you will accept anything. And in reality, we don't live our lives like this, we look at the most important things for so for example, chef from Allah McKee has a very brilliant example actually, involving a car. If someone was to say, Listen, I'm gonna give you this car, this car is a, you know, it's a gift from me to you. What would you ask about the car, you might ask? Okay, is it a new car? Is it in need of serious repair? You know, does it run? You know, does it have tires, you'll ask the basic questions, you're not going to
go down into the nitty gritty like, oh, what color is the trim? And what kind of stitching does they have? These are irrelevant, you've, you've got the main thing. So and also, again, from history, we know that, you know, humanity, mankind, we've been ignorant on a wide variety of topics, and indeed, on a wide variety of topics, our perspectives have also completely reversed themselves. So even what we think we know now, there may be some discoveries in the future that demonstrate Well, actually, no, we didn't know we made a fundamental assumption that was flawed in some material way. We haven't explored all of the Earth scientists, you know, regularly say that we've only explored a small depth
of what is the in the oceans, we haven't we haven't been to the bottom of the oceans, the pressure is just too great. We've only just recently, to use a
more recent example, only just reached the depths of where the Titanic was, you know, to, and that's relatively near the surface it is compared to how deep the oceans could go. We haven't drilled deep into the mountains, we can't do these things. So we can't adopt a position of assuming we know everything and then
making our belief rest upon that. So that's why I would actually
turn the question back to the question, What differences is me? Maybe Maybe it might make the person a lot more confident in the Quran that they can believe everything in the Quran. But we have other metrics, we have other measures for that, for example, the inevitability of the Quran, the the the the nature of the Quran itself, there are so many other aspects that we can look at to establish the Quran as a whole as a miracle as the speech of Allah subhanaw taala that you don't need to look for these for these singular individual poppets. So that's the way I would do so ultimately, the answer is Allah knows, I'm not going to claim and I don't think anyone is going to claim that. Well, we
know the answer to everything because we're not supposed to know we're human beings, we're limited. But the reality is the answer to that question of that specific question, it's not going to change anything about your life.
Just such as like a like a gym shade, in his own style Alhamdulillah from the Welsh style all the way from Cardiff knows, Allah knows very true Allah knows, and we do not know and there's many things we don't know about the hidden the unseen or the scene. We see things with microscopes. We can't even see a Coronavirus with a microscope is a tiny, tiny thing, and yet is wreaking havoc amongst us today. So if I had to slim
we need to bring you in all the way from the USA talking about Coronavirus and lock downs. You had it all recently Haven't you share?
Yeah, across the board. We're still under lockdown. Actually, our our rates are increasing here, unfortunately, especially in Texas, where I'm in. So it's interesting situation. May Allah make it easy for all of us. I mean, I mean, so, so speaking, I mean, I'm just gonna piggyback off of what Sheikh was seam and brother Jamshed mentioned. And that was just, you know, it goes back to understanding the limitations of our of our knowledge, right? And I would actually go even a little more foundational and saying, understanding a person's worldview, because if they don't really understand the worldview that they've been brought up in, then they have certain assumptions within,
let's say, our modern worldview. Okay, so one of those assumptions is that we can reach truth via science. Now, the hidden assumption here is that science is the only tool what they call epistemic tool, the right tool to reach
Truth. It's the only tool. Even though anyone that studied any degree of philosophy or science itself knows that you cannot, you must have other epistemic tools besides science. However, if the assumption is that we're only going to use science to come to truth, well, then the observable world is all you're limited to. However, even that becomes a problem. Because if you say my only tool to get to truth is science, how do you show that statement to be true? Right? Like if I say science is my only epistemic tool, What tool do you use to show that statement to be true? So by necessity, you must have other epistemic tools, from the Islamic standpoint, who our source of knowledge are not
just the created world, but we also have revelation. And this doesn't. So what we use what I usually tell younger people, I say, what you're doing is you're putting yourself in epistemic cage, instead of broadening your your epistemic, your, your, your, your sources of knowledge, you've limited yourself, right, when in fact, you've got two sources of knowledge. One comes from Allah subhanho wa taala, which is revelation. And the other is obviously the created world. And they don't contradict at the end of the day. Now, one of the things that we have to understand about science is that you have things within the realm of science, which are known as paradigm shifts. So have you guys read
Stephen Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective People? I think it's a it's a famous book, you guys have very famous. Okay, so he talks about paradigm shifts. But what's interesting, and so paradigm shift is when you think you have, you've seen what you're seeing, and, and that's it, then you make a conclusion based upon that. And when you find out all of the facts, it's something else completely. Right. So just to give you a quick example, I think he mentioned Stephen Covey. You mentioned this in the book where he says,
maybe it's not in the book, right? I believe it is, but I haven't read it some time. Where that there was a man on a train. And he's looking at another man who's sitting next to his seems like his 21 year old son. And he's 10. And as you're passing by scenery, he's telling his son, I'll look at that tree. That's, that's that color right there. That that's that that's a green tree and, and to the other gentleman, he was getting annoyed, because he was saying, you know, this man is teaching his 20 year old son, all these things. I mean, why is he treating him like a child? Right? I mean, this is just, you know, me treating him like he's just a little, you know, 10 year old boy. So
eventually, he goes over to the man, and he says, Why are you treating your chart? You? Why are you treating this man like a child. And the other man looks at him, he says, I'm sorry, we just came back from the hospital. And today's the first day that his eyesight has been returned. Okay. In other words, like he was actually expounding upon certain things. So now that other gentleman has a paradigm shift, he thinks he knows about certain things. And now he's in a different realm because of more facts. This term paradigm shift actually didn't originate with Stephen Covey. It originates with Thomas Kuhn, in a, in a book, which he calls Structure of Scientific Revolutions, or the
history of Structure of Scientific Revolutions. And in that, science has paradigm shifts. We think we have a broad range of knowledge, and we come to conclusions, only to get new facts. And you have paradigm shifts the entire paradigm, the entire thing that we're studying moves. Okay, the quintessential example of this is obviously moving from a heliocentric worldview to a geocentric worldview, or sorry, a geocentric worldview to a heliocentric review, meaning at one point, everyone thought the earth was the center of the world center of the universe, and all the calculations and all the research was being done until there was a shift within that, and you had a complete paradigm
shift. So all of the scientists at that time, we're basing their all their observations on the assumption that the earth is the center of the universe, when we get that shift. Now, all those calculations have to be changed. And that is true till today. Science is not a firm endeavor, it is immutable endeavor, right? You are always discovering new things. So to make a conclusion, and say, well, we don't know it via science today, in fact, is not understanding the philosophy of science itself. And then trying to compare science and using that as a tool to judge revelation. And this just on a side note, I'll end on this one. This is why a lot of the whole narrative related to the
scientific miracles in the Quran is a bit dangerous. Because if you assume science is stable, and that we have the absolute truth, and then you try to judge the Quran, this becomes problematic, because science by its nature is mutable. Whereas the Quran is stable. So to use something mutable, to judge something stable, makes no sense. Right? So in that, from that perspective, we say we're not anti science. We understand we want to discover new things and learn new things, but we don't judge some
One thing that is epistemic ly mutable via something that is epistemic ly firm which is the Quran, and Allah knows best. Would you just ask Allah here? I had Mashallah. All the way from USA in a beautiful explanation Alhamdulillah the paradigm shift, somebody likes your explanation of the paradigm shifts, so well done for that. And we're now moving over to New Zealand for a few words from my brothers, for those in Mohamad.
Of course, they're the chaps in charge of voice of Islam this platform so we should give them a few little bit of time, but we've got Hellfire to deal with and punishments we've got the mercy of Allah to discuss the Mercy of Allah is Allah subhanho wa Taala very miserable. We've got issues about slavery that people want us to address, and of course, evolution, the omnipresent discussion of evolution that brothers and sisters get so confused about in humanity, and in the face of Islam as well. So, first of all, for those, what would you say? What would be your advice to a person who's struggling with Zoom and Jews or Gog and Magog?
I think I don't have much to say to be honest, I think Jamshed was him and Fahad explained really, really well.
Since they mentioned, this is a Sowell mentioned that, to answer the question about Yajima. He said they are down and and I don't mean Australia, I think they are and also include New Zealand, unfortunately.
I love so the answer to all of that I think I think our esteemed guests answer that really, really well. I don't think I have much to add. And I think the I think I like what Bradley jumps should have said, if your foundation on believe it just based on the question, then you have to look into that a bit more. So I think I don't want to take a bit more time jealous. I'd like to hear more from these from the speakers.
isn't New Zealand the place where a certain very famous film was made? Am I right? In the South Island? of New Zealand? all over New Zealand? Yeah, so that's a there's a link there somewhere. Maybe they're gonna find them. Right. Yeah. You want to mention that movie?
Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Rings that we are the rings. Okay, that's because it location, New Zealand being the location of a lot of the filming from that film Alhamdulillah. So, yeah, Mohammed Thompson, you want to say a few words? And? Well, yes, so just be very brief as well. Most of the others were all the others have covered it very well. And I agree with with that, if, if that's your only basis for belief, then again, you have to look at what is your belief? And what do you actually try and you're looking for excuses or things like this to not follow what we're told. So there's a lot more things in the Quran and Hadith and teachings that is more important than a story like this.
Okay, beautiful. So and in a sense, some of the summarize we, it is about our education system, and what we're learning and how we're learning that puts us into this sort of blinkered existence and stops us being able to think beyond what we can see and feel and touch. It's the old atheist paradigm. It's the paradigm shift that we need to move into brothers and sisters. And they're that isn't that what the whole goal wrap methodology is based upon Farhat, you know, of, of getting them to share your worldview,
getting the opportunity, you know, on the other side, you know, to share?
Sure, I mean, it does have a focus on worldviews in a sense, right? Because the way the methodology works is that when someone comes and asks a question, a lot of times a lot of the questions aren't really related to the core question. Right? So the core question is really Tawheed. Right? When you're making a vow to someone, that's the main that's your that's your most powerful tool, you can say, in a sense, right? Without reading, so he because some people are not Muslim, maybe you're listening, right? So Tawheed, what we're referring to is the Oneness of Allah, that Allah that God is that there's only one God and that that God is the only one worthy of worship. And what we mean
by worship is the one, the one that we submit to, and then the one we love, right? So that's generally I'm gonna, that's kind of a quick way of looking at it. But that's what we mean by oneness of God. So that is at the center of Islam. Right. And so when we think about all the messages, all the message, the messages of all the prophets, this was the message that they brought was this pure, unadulterated mono theism where God
is one and the only one worthy of worship, submission, love, etc. So. So the Go route method that you're asking about, takes this as the central pillar and tries to bring people back to this question. So when someone asks, let's say, let's call them I guess, tertiary questions in a sense, someone says, Well, why can Muslim men marry for women? Right? Isn't that don't you find that unfair? Or we know why, you know, what do you have to say about the age of eyeshadow, the law, or whatever other questions that come?
Those are interesting questions, and they're good questions. But the reality is, we're not going to understand the the, you know, you need a certain worldview before you understand the answer to those questions. Right. So what we do is we say, that's a really good question. If you have a few minutes, let me explain the foundations of Islam. And then we can get to the questions right, so those foundations once a person understands Tawheed, the worldview that Islam is coming from, then there'll be more equipped to understand the answer those questions anyway. Because you could try till you're blue in the face to explain some of the some of the areas within Islam, and it's not
going to work. And the reality is, a lot of the issues sometimes people ask about, we don't know ourselves, there may be some fifth issue, that there's a difference of opinion. And someone comes and says, Oh, what's the ruling on cloning or something like this? And you know, and they're like, Allah mother still discussing and, you know, you're, you're not going to have the answer to everything. So yeah, so the Go rap works on this idea of worldview and trying to get people to see in a sea Islam and it's at its from its central core belief, and that is the belief into hate.
Oh, okay. For all the contributions. My brothers, my Charlotte's Bartok Allah, we are not gender, gender, gender bias, by the way, we will be getting sisters on the shows in the coming upcoming shows, just to let you know, because there will be issues which they have to answer. Yes. Right. Just to confirm that it's happening sha Allah. So use it, use it. Sorry. Yes. I need to eject on it. I want to interject on that point. Yes, go for it. So
the point that this is, of course not gender bias? Of course, there's the six brothers here. Yes. And
that somehow that's not fair to sisters.
I even saw, there's a conference in a few days. And there's, you know, the, the list of speakers are no brothers. And obviously, you know, some of the comments by people was that is not acceptable. Where are the women? And, you know,
an issue like this, as well as the issue that we spoke before. I'm not going on for a complete tangent here. I'll get back to a central point here. And that is that, why is it that you a person thinks like that?
Everything has to be kind of artificially 5050? It can't be organic, it can't just be what it is just how it is? Okay, why can't it just be natural in a sense that, well, this is just, you know, six brothers got together and spoke.
Or there was a conference that had some speakers, and that's just how it happened to be. So the age of Aisha Radiolarian, when she married, the Prophet says, I accept it. No problem. You don't accept it. Okay. Yeah, George and George, I accept it. And you don't accept it a quick way of kind of discovering us to
sort of people hiding behind arguments as to why is it that is easy for me to accept that not a problem? Why is it that you see as a problem, and quite quickly when you strip it down, that they're a product of if that's respectable term, but they're a product in a sense that they have been socially kind of?
What's the word that they've been socially engineered, they should have been kind of the be socially kind of brainwashed to a particular way of thinking, as though 2020 or 2019 is the only way that you can think and it has to be like this. Yeah, you know, so you can quickly strip down where they're coming from.
Maybe you're suggesting I've been socially engineered to think that way as well. You know, I mean, listen, we need to get allow them to realize that the they've been caged, and they've been, they've been boxed to think like this. Francis. Penny says, Men lead and that's the beauty of Allah. That's what she says.
And we've got brothers are calm, less emotional than women. I'd like to, I like talking to brothers or sisters this reason. Okay. So these are these are statements from people watching. Can we move on to the next part of the show? That is a really good point. Thank you. Thank you for that interjection.
There's more. There's more. There's more as much coming. It's more coming from the Western Hemisphere.
I'm in London, London being the leaders of the world right now as well. One could be too specific, it'd be too specific. No, no, I'm not gonna, I might want to jump on that bandwagon too. You know, if we're gonna if we are going to venture into feminism, I think there'd be a really a lot to say about like the worldview and you know, liberalism, etc. So I think that'd be fun. But you're the leader of the band, man. Well, if we're gonna do that one later on we are in Sharla. If we live in after the session, right?
Now, remember whose names remember who's hosting this? So?
Yeah, of course, you have to be very mindful of the fact that there's organizational reputation that needs to be managed. In the case, of course, they've got a very good rep in New Zealand, but they did have before the show. Anyway, so we wanted to talk about hellfire, and the punishment eternal because of the descriptions of hellfire. This is again, a question from a person that's kind of having trouble heart is having difficulties of stomaching some of the basic understandings of the faith of Islam. So he's saying the whole concept, he's got no problem, by the way, he said, on the inscription, he said, I've got no problems with Jana. Well, nobody would would they?
Know, bless. But I've got a problem with this Jahannam issue, you know, and I really need to talk about it. I mean, really fascinating to the brothers that have these very good discussions with their, with their parents and their friends and associates and their fellow believers. We shouldn't be having these discussions. We shouldn't be hiding them. Let's be absolutely frank about that. So hellfire and its punishments. Is there an issue with the Mercy of Allah here with this is the real question, central question. Because a lot of anti Islamic polemics or out there are discussions and argumentations and missionaries. They discussed this thing that Allah is not merciful. We have the
merciful God, Allah is not merciful. And they put this thing out there, actually. And it's becoming commonplace for people now to say things without even contemplating what they're really saying. So with this thing about Allah is not merciful, and that this punishment that is beyond is inhumane.
You know, okay, so this statement, this is the next discussion point. Who wants to kick us off? We had we've seen before, we seems looking very intensely at me, he's gonna He's gonna throw another. I mean, you know?
Should we started with the mute button? You can mute me anytime. No problem. Controversial. Let's, let's see.
What about Fahad, this time? You want to lead on things? Sure. Okay. We have a lot of follow him.
So you kind of wrapped a whole bunch of topics into one you talked about, like hellfire and the mercy and then missionary work and all sorts of other things. So I'm going to try to unpack it a little bit.
First of all, I'll start with what you mentioned about like the hellfire. And well, the thing is, at the end of the day, it goes back to our creed and our RP there, right, like what we believe about who Allah is. And this is very important when it comes to understanding who is the one that we worship? So one of the things we know about Allah is that Allah is Allah model that he is the just, and he is maximally perfect in his justice, that there is no one that can be more just than Allah. So the fact that there is a Hellfire that people will be punished should not be an impediment for someone understanding that, that you know who they're worshipping. Right? Because, you know, if it's
true that if it's true that Allah is not only an idol but also Aleem, right, that he is maximum in his knowledge, no, there's no nothing that that has more knowledge than Allah subhanaw taala. If that is the case, then he knows us better than we know ourselves, Allah Ya Allah woman Haluk Does he not know what he created? Of course he does. So he is the most just, he knows the human being. And what I'm where I'm going with that is that he knows the human beings motivations. So if a person was to know that they're entering Paradise, and that's it, what would be the motivation to have, let's say, spiritual stages on to Allah to worship Allah more and more and more, right? Just like there's
a wisdom where Allah chooses certain days to be better than other days. For instance, right now we are in the first 10 days of the Elijah, the greatest days of the year, right? And so this is now a motivation for us to worship Allah more in these days than other days. And Allah knows this about us. So similarly, on a more grand scale, Allah knows that the human being is a creature that wants to enjoy pleasures, and wants to avoid pain. In fact, even
Again, philosophically, this is kind of one of the core philosophies of utilitarianism. Right? So the idea of avoidance of pain and the maximum amount of pleasure, right? So so this is something that's well known. And of course, Allah knows this about us. So the motivation for the having the Hellfire as a motivation to avoid and having paradise as something that we strive for. I don't necessarily see that as a an issue right? Now. That's number one. Second thing we talked, you mentioned the Mercy of Allah subhanho wa taala. Now, this is an interesting area, because sometimes you because you also mentioned missionaries, they'll come and they'll say, look, in our faith, we
are guaranteed paradise. Okay. And in your faith, you know, you've got this problem, right? And then you've got, you know, and then and then how do you reconcile the the the mercy of God with your deeds? Because if it's true, that you need to enter Paradise by way of your deeds, how can you possibly do enough good deeds to enter paradise? This is typically how the discussion kind of goes, right? And in a sense, and in fact, the correct because if I asked anyone on this panel, or is it possible for us to worship Allah enough?
We would have to say no, like, even look, even recognizing the blessing of saying Alhamdulillah requires us to say Alhamdulillah. So you'd have to say it forever. For infinity. You can never praise Allah enough. And so then someone would so the point what I'm trying to say, is that, when we think about it, what is how is this how does this tie? Do we entered Paradise by the mercy of Allah? Or do we enter by our deeds? And if we enter by the mercy of Allah, what's the point of doing good deeds? This is how the discussion usually runs with missionaries. And what we say is no doubt we enter Paradise by the mercy of Allah but the mercy is predicated upon the value that Allah gives the
deeds themselves. All right to just give you a very simple example. You know, the prophesy Salah mentions that the person who prays Russia in German, it's like he prayed half the night. And the person that prays Fajr in Gemma is like you prayed half the night. Okay? So in other words, you have this one deed of going to the masjid, right, and may Allah open up all our massages, not just New Zealand.
And so you go to the masjid and you pray in JAMA, you pray in congregation, and that takes, you know, 10 minutes, 20 minutes, and you being written for the half of the night. And then you go to Fudger and you're in for the hat. So while you're sleeping, it is you're being written for the reward. So the mercy is in the fact that our deeds have way more value than the paltry pneus that we now ascribe to it. Right? So yes, it's true. We enter Paradise, by the mercy of Allah, but we have to do deeds, where the the Mercy of Allah subhanaw taala is predicated upon that, right. Okay. So that that solves, I think that missionary issue, coming back to the Hellfire just to summarize real
quick, so I don't really see a problem with there being a hellfire, okay, in the sense that we know that Allah is just, and he's maximally perfect as justice. We know he is knowledgeable in the sense he's maximally perfect his knowledge, and we know that he is maximally perfect in his mercy. Why? Because the deeds that we do are paltry. They're, they're very insignificant, yet by the mercy of Allah, He gives those deeds way more credit and weight than they actually deserve. And this is where we find the Mercy of Allah subhanaw taala and Allah knows best thank you from USA
who would like to jump into something before I while I remember it and everything like this? Yes. Inshallah does UCLA, like what Brother Fahad was saying that it gets down to inherently we are lazy. So in that Allah has given us extra benefits for things which wouldn't normally get that like what he mentioned about praying, praying, Isha and Jamar getting heart rewards for half the night and then fudge it again the other half. So inherently, we're getting
maximum game, gain less effort. So if you imagine if you had to get those rewards of praying all night, you'd have to pray all night. But you've got an opportunity here of doing this and doing that. Same with other things like Leila Tokaj, during Ramadan rewards of that night, a blessed night and there's so many other different areas where you know, even if we just, you know, attempt to go back to Allah to seek forgiveness were sort of forgiven you know, taking the measurements of going partway and even our intention and things like that. So there's so much benefits in the in the rewards and yet he like tries to cover up our mistakes. Yes, other is just it has to be because in
this world we know there's not there's no true justice, that totally will get the true justice in the hereafter inshallah. So with that, then there's like I said, it's maximum gain less effort.
And it goes back to also the original topic we were talking about is, what do you believe in Allah? Like, do you believe Allah is the Creator and we were submissive to him in all our deeds and all our efforts. So it gets back to that. So we got to people asking questions on all these areas, then it's it's good to ask the questions, but it's gotta get the tail heat the belief first, inshallah Allah knows best. Um, the last is that.
Okay, we'll see.
Okay, yeah. So
when talking about a topic, and it leads on to talk about mercy, and punishment.
The Hellfire and the paradise are a manifestation of, you know, the person's kind of destination, through those two things. Now, speaking from a theological Islamic point of view, to a person who has doubts about these issues is sometimes a little bit difficult.
So, of course, willy nilly method Allah, Allah azza wa jal has the best example. So if we say,
to try and deliver the message on a human level,
and that, let's say, for example of a mother, okay?
For for the Father, for that matter, but we will put the woman first on this particular issue, just so we are kind of being fair, okay, we're not excluding women and everything. So women, the mother, here is an example, in her treatment towards her son, or her daughter. Now, nobody is going to be merciful.
Like the mother to her child, nobody's going to be fair, and just to her child, like the mother? Absolutely, I think we can all agree upon that.
your responsibility as a parent, as a mother, as a father, that is that there are times when you need to be merciful, compassionate towards your child, because they need that, because they behaved in a certain way. And then there are times when you need to show them that this is what is just this is fair. So if they do wrong, if they steal, if they hit they oppress
is showing them mercy, the right reaction towards that child? Absolutely not.
Because you're not teaching them they know, they know no consequence. So from a human level, we can understand it like this. And even than that, of course, that's always going to be flawed, because we're humans, that the best example you can get in terms of justice, and mercy, is a mother with her child. Now, imagine now on a perfect level, an absolute perfect level,
giving and showing mercy to the creation and being just unsure showing justice to those who are deserving of that a person who steals and robs and oppresses and pillages is that person deserving of mercy? Or is that person deserving of some form of justice, no doubt, that person needs to face some form of trial, some form of justice. Now, there is, of course, there's the human courts that we find in this life. And in the Hereafter, kind of an example, there is also a court that you will face and hear often
depending on what you did, and this worldly life, because there are many things you may get away with and many people get away with other things.
But in the Hereafter, there will be nothing hidden, nothing that you can have answers for change, whatever you did in this worldly life will be brought forth. Okay, every atoms weight of good that you did, will be shown to you and every atoms with atoms weight of evil or wrongdoing will be brought forth and shown. And then you're in the court and Allah, the Most High, the one who is the perfect in showing mercy and compassion and also the perfect thing showing justice and fairness where you will receive your judgment and your destination where you will go.
Okay, so again, as I had mentioned earlier, goes back to how we see Allah goes back to the issue of to heat the uniqueness of Oneness of Allah. Who do you understand your Creator? I mean, of course, we're having discussion, this discussion about hellfire and Paradise and mercy and justice. If we can both agree that there's a creator and if you don't believe there's a creator in the first place then this discussion is not even here. We should be talking about something else.
Okay, so if we're talking about will be that we both believe in a creator that this is how I understand the Creator to be
okay, that's, that's good. We're seeing JazakAllah khairan Allah bless you, inshallah. Jamshed let's move on to you. And let's, let's try and sort of bring this into human realms of so
first of all, I take exception to the missionaries position of them saying, Oh, we have we have the merciful God, so to speak.
because they display their depiction, their description for me is actually one of the biggest reputations against the ideology that they believe in a lifestyle, where it doesn't matter what they do, they can commit the most heinous of crimes, and yet, they'll automatically be forgiving for it and automatically game paradise for it. And I've asked many of them, I said, look, look, according to your theology, then what is it that that you would be subjected to punishment for? And they can never bring anything? Because, literally, from their perspective, they can just say that, Oh, we believe and that's it, we've got a free pass to do anything we like. And that cannot be true,
because at the end of the day, regardless of what ideology, you believe it, we were all created by the same one Creator. So how can the Create a favor, you know, oppression of one person or the other, just because one person said, Oh, I believe and they automatically get a free pass that just doesn't compute for me. So Islam, to the best of my knowledge, and I'm happy to be I would love to be corrected on this. But Islam, I believe, is the only ideology where it is not sufficient to just say that we believe you have to act on it, you have to, you have to actually follow through with with that belief, and and subject yourself to commitments and things like that. Now, why am I going
on to this because mercy a chef was even concerned was also just mentioned, mercy and justice, they go hand in hand, you cannot separate the two, you have to have one with the other. And justice is an innate concept to human beings. Because look, even a small child, even a baby understands the concept of justice, a small child will fall over, they'll hit themselves against the table, they start crying, how do you console the child, bad table, bad table, no table, you smack the table, this small child before they learned how to show mercy to others, because you know, they like to be selfish with the choice. I've got two young boys, I'm seeing this in action, before they even learn
the attribute of mercy. They already recognize that there must be some degree of justice and then whatever harmed me, there needs to be some kind of a retribution. Now. So in terms of that, Allah subhanaw taala, as one does that, yeah, there is a reward prepared for those who, who put in the effort to get closer to him. And there's also the punishment for those who distance themselves away from him. And I've got no problem with that as a concept. Now, in terms of what's going on in the world, let's have a look, Allah smart, Allah is not merciful. Now, there are people in the world now. And you know, we don't need to mention names that are going around literally killing peoples by
the hundreds, by the 1000s, if not the millions, Allah subhanaw taala is still not taking their life is still not struck them down, they still have every opportunity to turn around and to repent. They have every opportunity to write the wrong, obviously not the people that have lost their lives, but they can still do some kind of major acts. But the fact of the matter is that these people are just growing and growing in their
what's the word in the rebellion, against justice to human people and for what, for money for land for things that they cannot even they can't spend all the money and the contact the land with them when they die. So ultimately, it's for nothing, because a lot of these people are towards the end of their lives as well. Anyway, at the end of the day, when they meet Allah subhanaw taala, they have to account for all the misery for all the people that they created. And I don't see what the problem of the fires they further down to the individual person for the person asking the question, my dear brother, my dear sister, if this is what scares you, then all this mantra, as has been mentioned, by
everyone already already spoken, that there are numerous ways that you can avoid this, that Allah smart Allah has made Islam easy for you. It's not a burden. There are a number of different ways that you can, things that you can do in your life, to try and safeguard yourself away from the virus. First of all, obviously, don't step outside the fold of Islam as is number one. But if you're really scared of it, there's a way out. There's a way you don't have to condemn yourself to it. The only way you condemn yourself to it is by literally turning away from the guidance that Allah Swanton has given you and at the end of the day, that's not a very clever thing to do. Because at
the end of the day, you're going to return to all this Wonderland it's up to Allah subhanaw taala then ultimately, what happens to you so, you know, be smart you you're a human being you were given a brain for a reason you've been told what the rules are, you know what the outcome is. So if you choose a path that you know is going to lead to that punishment, and you end up there you have no one to blame but yourself. So stop trying to place the blame onto almost $1 for having created it in the first place. Ultimately, if you end up there is because you put yourself there.
Zakah Jim shade another perspective that Does anyone else want to jump in before we move on to the next important issue? Very important issue. I
I mean, my little take on that is the many of Hadith which were authentic my understanding of the amount of justice that Allah subhanaw taala showed to people regardless of their actions actually.
Or that they had changed the actions right at the end, like the prostitute that gives dark water to the dying dog, take his, you know, runs down the well a great risk of herself and then feeds the dog through with a shoot. Then there's a man that is killed 99. And then he goes towards seeking repentance. And he's forgiven, is forgiven, even though he's killed 99 Because he's on his way to seek repentance. And that's his intention. Many, many other indications that this deen is an incredible thing. And many of these things do you think, panel?
That a lot of the descriptions of hellfire, and some of them are pretty awful? They let's be honest, are they a deterrence? Because I mean, if you're human, in human context as human form, if we read things which are terrifying to us, we avoid doing those things which lead to that end, if you say that those
I'll just say something.
Use of just add something. And obviously, I'm happy to be corrected, if I'm wrong on this.
I remember I was listening to a radio show, and they talk about, you know, why do we need God? Why do we need punishment and such, which is what we talk about here now? And and I called them up and I said,
Why do we have speed limit on our road?
And why do we have? Why do we have cops giving us ticket for driving more than 60 KS or more than 80? Case?
And because if you're saying that, you know, we all should just be good, we all should be doing this, we all
our mind should understand this is not good for us, we shouldn't be doing it. So why do we need cops to still roaming on our street to actually make sure that we follow the speed limits? So in the sense that, you know, the punishment, and all that is actually also a reminder that there's a limit to something that what you do, and the cops are there, you know, when even the cops presence, you know, whether they are on there or not, they may be there today, they may be not more, but you know, we we know that a cop says we follow the speed limit. So that's just the nature of the human being as well. So I just want to bring up that point. You know, same with what you said, and I think our
esteemed guests can, can explore that in a bit more details. And but I think that's something that most people said, oh, you know, this is just
something you know, we should understand, and therefore we should have not go into it a bit. But you know, we don't need Hellfire because we know this is not good for us. But I guess having a limit to something is actually very important. Because if there's no limit, then we're just going to carry on and on and on. And hopefully somebody can explain that a bit more.
Well, Jim shades just picked up his cat. So there's no limits on webinars, obviously. So we'll
sit on my lap, like what can I do?
In the background behind you in the window? No. So I think have we dealt with this issue, we're probably never going to be dealing with this issue. We can we can talk for the whole night about this issue about mercy that Allah mercy and you know, just the destination of people that go to hell, and so on and so forth. People are saying life is a test. As one person says life is a test we mustn't forget that.
Allah Islam is perfect. We've got support Akhmad watching us mashallah from Pakistan, I believe. I love you all. There's me Allah subhanaw taala united as an ummah. I think if Hellfire doesn't exist, it would have contradicted Allah's justice. Another person says, provider protector Sustainer, Allah subhanaw taala. The more Shah is watching as well. As a brother who's got a question about marriage. We can't answer that there right now. Not the right show. We'll move on to that another time. Satan promised Allah that He will make us change his creation and slit the ears of cattle, paraphrasing Subhanallah a lot of important points the Most Merciful uncompassionate is Allah subhanho wa Taala R
Rahman r Rahim, the continuously merciful described him the most important Surah of the Quran. The Fatiha all people deserve mercy. Sorry, somebody says, Well, no, don't be sorry about that course. But we also have something which is justice. We're because I believe that Islam is justice. Have we covered these factors? Anyone else want to bring anything else up in this issue?
this question or this issue is not a question. It's a big issue for a lot of people and it stops people from understanding the foundations of the faith called Islam, doesn't it?
We human beings, we need rules. That's the bottom line is, yeah. And there are consequences for behavior. So we just extend that
to the hereafter, which is the ultimate justice. Okay.
Good. Should we cover the point that I mentioned just now? Because the sister asked that question. Okay, I'll put it I'll put it on the screen, and maybe all our esteemed guests can answer for her then. Okay. Yep.
Go on. Go on. Because I think I think we covered it quite in detail. I think if we jump to a different topic, we may not be able to cover that fully. Since a sister brought this up. And I think we should probably explain this point. Okay. Well, you put it
why the inhabitant how far more women than men. What sin is that women do that men do not do basically, I believe that's what it says. That is from gnarly Edwards. So the incumbent's of women, as a preponderance of women over men in hellfire, because it is mentioned is mentioned in the Hadith, or is it mentioned in the Quran, I think is the Quran. The
hadith is the Hadith. Hadith, I stand corrected that. So does anyone want to go into that issue? Or doo doo doo? Does anyone want to answer that?
Well, a brief I mean, if you'd like.
It's a hadith,
on the days of Eid, actually,
the Prophet alayhi salam would give give a sermon to everybody.
And he would also address the women specifically at least.
He said to them to give charity
because he was shown that the majority of the inhabitants of the Hellfire were women.
And because one of the reasons he gave at least of Sudan, is the lack of gratitude towards their spouses.
there's a couple of
answers concerning this.
All of them if you'd like are speculative than not absolute. I mean, you can take the the apparent meaning. And that is that there just the highest number of people in the Hellfire will be women, bearing in mind, that
there's also Jin kind, this is another being that exists as humankind, okay. But the vast majority of those inhabitants will be women. That's one apparent meaning.
And another meaning is that, that women are actually the outnumber men.
So by default, they will be not because of any fault of their own, but maybe the majority
of the inhabitants in the hellfire, but the reason was given behind it, it's not just simply thrown that you are, you're the majority of the Hellfire. And, you know, that somehow,
you know, degrades the status of women, no, not at all, but rather a specific reason was mentioned.
So these are some of the reasons that I mentioned.
And of course, you know, there are some of the feminists who will misunderstand
these texts want to jump on that, and somehow see that, you know, men or women are not equal to men and these regard, but this is something that, you know, is in the future. It makes the Prophet peace be upon him, told us about to warn us, He warned the men about certain things, you know, fear Allah with regards to women folk, treat them fairly, specifically to the men,
as the prophet Addison would also address
the women as well concerning certain issues. That's just
Zaful ahead. Does anyone else want to come on to that issue before we move on?
No. Okay. So no takers? Well, I mean, I'll just kind of add on to what Chelsey mentioned.
And that is that when it comes to our state with Allah, and our being able to worship Allah, from that perspective, we are on equal grounds and the opportunities that men have to worship Allah, or the opportunity that women have to worship Allah and it goes back to Allah subhanaw taala is just just because you happen to be born as one gender or another, right or one color or as another, whatever it might be. You
Yeah, we may have different, you know, we are different in terms of our Constitution, some some of what it was, some of that might be biological constitution. But at the end of the day, the opportunities are equal in terms of worshiping Allah subhanho wa taala. And that's the most important thing. Because if we understand that this life, we were created to worship Allah, then in that main purpose, we are on the same level in the sense that the same opportunities we have to submit to and worship Allah subhanho wa taala. That's the most important thing. And a lot of times what happens is the perspective that someone would be asking this question may be coming from, let's
say, a feminist perspective, we're going to be looking at certain texts of the Quran, or we're gonna be looking at the text of the Hadith. And looking at it saying, well, there's a patriarchal structure that must be and we're going to look at it this from look at this from the perspective of power and power struggle. But then what we have to understand is that your basis is not a toy Heydrich worldview, right? Your worldview has now shifted altogether. And so again, it goes back to how are you looking at the text? Are you looking at it from this is a patriarchal religion that was created by men in order to suppress a weaker gender? Or are you looking at this, that this is a text
from the Creator of the heavens of the earth? Who has given me an opportunity to worship Allah and is given you know, the other gender a worship, the opportunity to worship Allah on equal grounds? And many times in the Quran? Allah subhanho wa Taala refers to both genders, right? Me not. So always have me No, no, not me not etc, right? What's the Moodle Muslim at etc, many times in the Quran, addressing both men and women, but at the end of the day, Allah subhanho wa Taala tells us that you know that those opportunities are equal for men, women, right? They may be different in different capacities. But it's not that one is cut off from being able to worship Allah subhanaw
taala and attain paradise and Allah knows exactly okay, if I had one. Somebody's mentioned that, in fact, that sentence or answered the question asked the question, is this to Edwards? She's saying, well, is that because women can't go to the masjid? And they don't have the same opportunities? Well, that's not their fault, clearly, is it?
So it was the question is the question that was, I wonder if it's because women don't have the opportunities to go to the masjid like brothers do as to whether they wouldn't be a more preponderance?
yeah, I think I think we've already kind of covered that, in the sense that, look, a woman who worships in her house, right, taking care of her children will have the reward of a man who goes to the masjid. Right, if that was her intention. Similarly, someone may ask, well, you know, based on certain schools of, you know, Islamic law, women aren't allowed to touch the most half. And therefore, are you saying that men can recite more Quran and women? Well, no, it's not, it doesn't mean that it means that, you know, I'll tell you just to give just to bring it real, to make it real, right? Sometimes when I'll be talking to my wife, I'm like, man, you're so lucky, you get more
breaks than I do. Right? So you get, you get to take the break, get the reward, and you're still good. And I still have to do the acts, you know. So it's really about your worldview, about how you're looking at the topic itself, right? In certain aspects. Allah has honored the woman, the women, and in certain aspects, Allah has honored the man and each one is different by the Constitution. And therefore there's a different, there may be different means by which you reach paradise, but the goal is the same. And the opportunities that same not the point for point opportunities, if that's what someone took from that, that's not what I meant. What I meant was, you
have the opportunity to gain the reward from Allah, and we have the opportunity to gain the reward from Allah and Allah is not going to be going back to our first point is not going to be unjust. Right? Allah will never be unjust. And so those opportunities by point by point like act by act point, okay, they're going to be different, but it doesn't mean that you won't be rewarded or you won't have the same opportunities that men do. Right and Allah knows best. I also think there's a lot to do with it's based on another nice best your intention in the first place. So what are you intending to do? What's the reason for it? Is it show off? Or is this that you know, all these sorts
of things so I think at the end of the day, that comes down to a big part of as well in Charlotte. Okay, can I tell you something really strange real quick?
Really strange. I don't know if I should say it on air but I'm gonna I'm gonna say it so
Simon, it's a Saturday at the moment, but we will be voice was loud will be on permanent lockdown after this. No, no, no, it's not that hopefully it's not that. So one of the things just to kind of, so I remember one of the things that we know from our tradition is that when a person dies in certain circumstances, there they enter paradise directly. Okay, so
There's certain searches. So for instance, in earthquakes and things like that one of those situations when a woman when a woman gives birth, okay, if you die during childbirth, you know that generally from what we know from the Hadith literature the woman is, you know, granted paradise. I remember when we had our first son, and this is me newly married guy having no filters. Yeah, to you know, wife just gave birth. I'm like, you know, How amazing would be if you died right now you go straight to pet paradise.
And her her whole family was standing around, and I'm just like, that probably didn't come out right at all.
The whole time was like, but I want paradise for her. You don't get it anyways, but it's about that whole thing about okay, looking beyond this temporary world, right? I mean, yeah, it was it was totally not the appropriate time to say that. But it just goes to show is that, you know, people that were going to have different opportunities, right? Someone mentioned childbirth, yeah, you experienced an immense amount of pain, you know, giving birth to a child that a man could never experience and never know about. But you know, as we know, from our tradition, that we know when you experience pain, your sins are wiped away. So men don't have the opportunity for those sins to be
So you can go all of these deeds at the end of the day, Allah azza wa jal, and we leave it up to Allah subhanho wa taala. And Allah knows best, masha Allah, Allah, Farhad for that answer, and hamdulillah hope that leaves some people a little less in the dark about punishment hellfire and the mercy of Allah because that we've dealt with all those issues. We've also dealt with Gog and Magog who is using the Zeus
I think we're getting close to Maghrib Salah in UK, aren't we in Wales, probably about another 10 minutes later. Oh, according to my Muslim pro app it is right now. Yeah, it's right now.
So we kind of unfortunately,
reached to the end of the show, really? You know, I mean, we've dealt with two issues. I mean, that's how in depth the answers have been and how good the answers have been Alhamdulillah. But this becomes a resource for all of those brothers and sisters who are not watching. So the people who are not watching this, please brothers and sisters, let them you know, hear the answers. Okay, there are hundreds, if not 1000s of people right on the verge right now, and confusion in a state of turmoil about their faith because they're not hearing the answers. That's why we're doing these shows. So I would like you all to share it with those brothers and sisters that you know, reach out to them,
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It's been a first for him shade for a long time my brother. We've been working very hard in the Dawa for a long, long time and I hope everybody has found it very useful. We've also got our regular Imam Sheikh Waseem khamsum there from London who's probably going to bite my head off if I don't let him go pretty soon because he wants to pray his sunnah during this dual hedger the days of dual Hijra I'm sure that everyone the first 10 days everyone's dying to good to do good actions one of them share the video okay
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My daughter Hajra and son is a very keenly listening. Thanks such a wonderful discussion. That's from Farhan Darrick. And also I believe as women do a lot of gossiping and agree but in comparison to men that's from Sonya, Sonya saying that it wasn't me that said that.
Just to clarify that yeah, I got the answer this and there's lots and lots of things what a beautiful discussion to wake up to Fajr thank you from Australia. Well, there is a person that is on the other side of the world, quite literally for me. And may Allah subhanho wa Taala reward all of you brothers and sisters, if there's any if you lost a few words you want to say before we go and pray Fudger anyone Sheikh was seen want to say sign out and say a few words.
Just like a metal fan, I really benefited from the brothers comments today. And I hope each other that we can continue this these discussions on Saturday night, but a lot of
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Yeah, likewise, I benefited a lot from the discussion itself. Meal savant Allah accept from everyone here. Just as a final note to the viewers, do not forget, these are the the 10 best days of the year. So try to increase in the good deeds you can do, whether it's charity, if you can fast, if you can, obviously do more and more with your family and things like that. But don't forget that these are the best days of the year. And we tend to kind of forget that because we sometimes get into Ramadan spirit, or maybe someone who's on lockdown, we're just not really we're not putting two and two together. But keep in mind that this is the time to do those extra sunna's, etc. So may Allah
subhanaw taala accept from everyone here. And may He may Allah spawn to overlook our shortcomings as well.
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claw head and for Well having me just want to say to the individuals who have questions like this, you know, don't let it become an issue of despair. It's fine to have questions. I guarantee you. Islam does have answers to these questions and answers that are not pop outs that are intellectually satisfying. They are available, they are there. But just you have to put the effort in to look for them and don't don't take this perspective of oh, just this one little thing is is I just don't understand it. Therefore I'm going to leave the whole thing because that's not rational at all be rational
and and be balanced as well. Shall
and meow to the cat well, most welcome to join peaceful life for the Islamic talks and all that means thank you for I'm turning on my notification for another discussion. The blast from France is Penny mean. See you soon inshallah from a Tikka boo boo, boo bat or bow that lots and lots of other people commenting there's far too much to read out. And just a few final words from for those and Mohammed from Voice of Islam team in New Zealand
festival Emma Thompson, I'll see you all next week inshallah.
Lovely, I'm just just the thing I'd add is because everyone else has added a lot of things in Hello, very good. The only thing is, yeah, if you searching, just seek guidance, ask Allah to show you the guidance. Because it says everywhere that you know, if you request guidance, you'll find it. So if someone's sincerely looking for the answers, the things like this, whether they've been guided to come and listen to the show, or watch the show, or they find something somewhere else, but if you just seek the guidance, it will come in Charlaine. Psych. Why just come over here. By the way, we're going to try and deal with the issues of apostasy next week, okay. That's something that's come up
and slavery we should have dealt with this week, but very topical, of course, and evolution as well, next week. So guys, if you're going to be joining us, it's going to be an awesome humdinger of a show insha Allah because Allah subhanaw taala and we hope that we all get guided and that we benefit from these beautiful 10 days of the ledger. As Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh all of you and all of us