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The Ukrainian Do you believe that the the Christians from Ukraine that they love the Christians from Russia, they pretend to be so in love with Ukraine, the passages he told me this when you mentioned God, I sincerely want to know do you do you believe that Jesus is actually God?

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Yes. However the air will be written in the Muslim book this what a lot of conservative Christians actually believe. And I can show you the evidence that the Bible that you're assuming that you are also acknowledging has been changed. You have this war going on between the Russians Ukraine's and the whole world understands now.

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Smilla Allah As Salam aleikum, greetings of Peace, welcome to the D show. I'm Eddie your host in my next guest, Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson. Jesse Lee Peterson, radio and TV show hosts Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson is an American Christian conservative radio host pastor and broadcaster Jesse Peterson hosts the program's Jesse Lee Peterson radio show and the fallen state. And he says amazing like this amazing. And he's here with us on the deen show. Hey, how you doing, Dave? Thanks for having me on. Oh, amazing how you been?

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How's everything with you? All this? Well, thanks for asking. It's thanks for being on the program, the Dean show. So let's start off with you. I have you on my show. By the way. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for having me. I think we should do this more often. I think, you know, my, my vision is real. I really believe that we need to be building bridges. How was your when you hear me say that? I mean, what's your response to that? Well, when I hear you say we need to be building bridges and crossing over. I don't know what you mean by that. So I have no thought about it. What do you mean by that? Yeah. What I what I mean by that is that, I believe we have so many

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things in common. And it's a shame, like a lot of times when Chris, I'll sit with a Christian, or, you know, somebody was at the Christian faith, and we'll talk about different values, we'll talk about different things that we haven't that points of view. And I'll say, Wow, we have so many things in common. And like I gave that example, to you that you'll have people who be in two different political parties, and they'll be on totally different sides of the spectrum, but they still find some common ground. I think that Christians and Muslims have far way more in common than they than they do differences. And I think if we highlight those commonalities, and we work on

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those, and we nurture those, I think we're going to be able to make a difference. Because there's so many different different, you know, you talk about, you know, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and just you you bring up a lot of good topics. I just went through some of some of your work and I see you you address some things about the family about you know, you know, being married, in marriage, you know, being together in marriage and other good, good, good things that Islam would agree with. So that's what I'm talking about, oh, I got you. Well, my, my primary issue with

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Allahu Akbar, Islam, whatever you want to call it is that they have no love. They don't love the Christians and Jews. And if you don't love all you love none, and, and so on. I don't. And I understand that they have been taught to be that way.

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If you say,

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yes, yes, we're listening.

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I understand that they've been taught to be that way. And so that what made me skeptical about them is that they have no love. And you can't trust an angry person, because they will deceive you turn on you at some point. And Indian Khurana left, they have changed it. They say about the Christians and Jews are infidels. And I haven't heard any group of so called leaders of the Muslim votes come out and denounce that or remove that from their little Quran book thing.

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So did you did you look at my answers to a lot of these questions that you had, you know, you you mentioned these things. And I tried to politely I tried to go and give you some references from the text. I tried to address many of your concerns. I mean, how did you did you look at my answers, did you objectively look at the things that I brought to your attention?

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A few of them I didn't have time to really go through all that.

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I have interviewed different Muslims on my show at times over the years and I've noticed that they are not honest people they don't tell their true because they have been told that

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from birth. That is okay to just see the Christmas in June. You can just see them you could be friend them

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In order to destroy them, and it's okay to lie to them, in order to destroy them. And so I'm just concerned about that. And I know what anybody that doesn't have love the love of the Father in them, that they cannot be trusted. And I know that just having lunch together is not going to solve the spiritual issue. And so I'm concerned about that. And I do wish them well, I hope they overcome that at some point.

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And then there are a lot of, quote unquote, Christians who lacked love as well. And it's easy to deceive them about those, say you have a bit nice lunch with them a gathering. And you make them feel good. By feeding them and telling them how wonderful they are, then you got them as well, because they have no love, or they can't see what they're doing either. Okay, you you bought, you brought up some legitimate concerns. And I want to as many Muslims are watching here, and many will hear what you have to say. And many will kind of just there, it's kind of really odd to a lot of Muslims, a lot of the things that you're mentioning, but be it via that the media is powerful. And

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the media machine, a lot of the lies have been perpetuated for, you know, since since the

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advent of when the truth has been perpetuated. There's always been opposition to that truth. So I'm just I'm going to ask you, are you open as your mind open? If now we're able to discuss these things? And the things that you mentioned? We'll go over them one by one. And if I can, if we can bring the evidence from the Quran from the life of Prophet Muhammad, if we can go ahead, are you willing to adjust your views just like I'm willing to, you know, I think any person who's sincere and genuine if you bring me something if I had a certain view, and you bring me proof and evidence, like for example, if I thought one plus one was five, but you bring me evidence that one plus one is

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two, you know, I didn't know any better. I mean, I would I would make that adjustment. Are you willing to make that adjustment here today? Oh, I'm definitely willing to listen and without any personal judgement about it.

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Because he can learn that way. Absolutely. Okay. So I have, I have with me also now the Director of gain peace, I have Dr. Ahmed Seville, who is going to be joining us. And now you have to you have to people to Muslims, because in one of your in one of your talks you mentioned you'd love to meet an honest Muslim that you can interview and you can ask him these questions. So now you can ask us genuinely any questions that you want. And God willing, we're going to sincerely you know, get to the bottom of these things so we can remove any hurdles, any fears and apprehensions that are in your way. So let's start with this. I'm going to, I'm going to open it up. And I'm going to ask Dr.

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Seville, Dr. Bo, how are you?

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I'm doing good. And I'm glad to see and meet Jesse, how are you, brother? All this world? Good to meet you as well. Thank you. Great, great, I do want to applaud you for coming to the show. I'm also a guest just like you by the way, but you know, I mean, you are an open minded person. You're not just making your beliefs. Just from you know, certain things that you may have read, you're open to come and listen and to discuss and to understand. For that I'm really going to applaud you. Amazing. Thank you. I appreciate that. Sorry. Now your first name again. Sabine as a bel Sabine Okay, thank you. Let's so Darkspear let's start off with this. Islam. is Islam, a religion based on hatred? is

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Islam. Is it anywhere written in our book in the Quran? Would that Muslims can deceive Christians and Jews in order to destroy them? So that's a two fold question. Does Islam teach hatred of Jews and Christians? And is it written in the verbatim Word of God Almighty, the Quran, that is Muslims can deceive Christians in order to destroy them. Is that

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so when I heard that from Jesse, what came into my mind when I was in India? In India, I used to watch many Hollywood movies. And the only perception that I had about about America and Americans is that every single person is like Al Capone, right? They wake up in the morning they carry the weapons and the shoot each other out and the harms a society.

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That was only perception Jesse because I never met an American. I never read the Bible. Never been to America before. So when I came here, I realized you know what, the media, the movie industry, you know, the all of the social media, they were polluting my mind in I should not be just watching it and making up my mind, but I should be meeting people. I should be this

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cursing, I should be, you know, reading the book of the people, my neighbors, my classmates. And that's what I started to do. So this question that you just mentioned, about, you know, Islam hates the Jews and the Christians and the question about infidels and deception. In a right away the answer would be no, because I have read the Quran many times I teach the Quran by the way, Jesse. And

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I would say that there are many, many passages, one passage that came to my mind, that God is uniting humanity is the passage from chapter 49, verse number 13, I will just give the translation because you may not know Arabic, this is the translation brother, God, who we say Allah in Arabic, he's saying, addressing to all of humanity, God is saying that all mankind or humanity, I have made you from one single male and one single female, and made you into nations and peoples and tribes, that you get to know each other. Not that you may hate and despise and disrespect each other, that you get to know each other. Then God says that the best amongst you is the one who is a God fearing

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well mannered person. So that is the basic concept of Islam, that humanity God has created different ways, not for hating and you know, despising and discriminating, but to get to know each other. Right? So that itself is the foundation of our faith, Brother Jesse.

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If

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you read written in the Quran that

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Christians and Jews are infidels.

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Okay, first and foremost, the Quran is an Arabic language. So the word infidel would not be there. The Quran discusses people who have believers and people who are non believers, right, just like you have citizens and non citizens of a country, just like you have Christians and non Christians. The Quran also describes those who agree with the tenets of Islam and those who do not agree with the tenets of Islam. So the word infidel is not there. But if you want to know where did the word infidel came from? It, it actually came from the Christian history. You know, when the, the Catholics, when they want to go and occupy Jerusalem and Palestine, away from the Muslims and the

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Jews, they they were the ones, you know, Pope Innocent, and poor, pious, they were the ones who labeled the Muslims and the Jews as infidels. Because, according to Christianity, and fiddle, is a person who is the enemy of Christianity, right, so that the word is coming from there, not from the Quran and not from Islam. So is it written in the Quran that Christians and Jews are infidels? No, it is not, as I mentioned to you, has it ever been written in it? Because they may have removed it now. to so many Muslim want to live in America? A monster Christian, it may have been removed? Has it ever been written into Quran that Christians and Jews are infidels, and that anyone that doesn't

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agree with most of religion is worthy of death? And whatever it takes to deceive them, you can do that in order to destroy them. Has it ever been written? In the bow? You guys book that Christians and Jews are Infidel has that ever been written? Okay, so the Quran is an Arabic language. So in Arabic the word infidel is not there. But you know?

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Yes. However, the air will be written in the Muslim book that Christians and Jews or Infidel has ever been written in their in that way. Not that I know first. Read it in there, man. You can't have it. I've seen that when I interview. When I've interviewed Muslim we went over that so it was there for sure. Maybe it now. So Brother Jesse, you have the Quran in Arabic, then you have many, many translations. Some people may have translated unbelievers as infidels, right? Because the Quran just like the Bible. It has been translated in more than 100 languages. Yeah, some of the translators are Muslims. Some of the translators are people of other faiths. So the translation is not the Quran by

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the way. The actual Quran would be the one in Arabic, that has never been changed. And in that Quran, you will not find the word infidel. Do you understand the point just like yeah. Are you saying that? Yeah, because it has been rewritten over the years, so has the Bible to

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anyone that isn't true in the Muslim religion that anyone that doesn't believe in what they believe in infidels?

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No, no, we just considered the we just considered them as unbelievers. And even for the unbelievers, whether Jesse, you're supposed to be living with them in peace and tolerance and loving peace, actually, not just peace, and I can give you 100

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passage from the Quran Chapter 60 Verse number eight. In bass Chia God is saying, you know, I will just give you the translation in which God is saying that Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of your faith, and do not expel you from your homes from being righteous towards them right righteous towards them, and acting justly towards them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. So even those who are unbelievers, we are supposed to live in peace and harmony and righteousness and love and compassion with them, because Allah loves that act. However, if you want to know where the word infidel is, it's not in the Quran. It is in the Bible. By the way, if I can

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quote you from the Bible, in Timothy, First Timothy, chapter five, verse number eight, in the King James Version, it says, But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own home, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.

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So it is there in the Bible, it's not there in the Quran. And as I have quoted to you, we are supposed to live in peace and harmony, even those who have rejected the faith and no compulsion in Islam, by the way. Yeah, go ahead. You're a guest. Just go ahead. I want to make Jesse just one thing. I want to make you feel as comfortable as possible. Just like if you're in my home, I'd offer you some some dates, I'd offer you some, whatever you like the, you know, and hopefully, you can when you're in Chicago, you can actually visit with us in person. Okay, right. totally comfortable. I'm telling you. My issue is, I want to ask doctors to be Seville, do Do you love the Jews?

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I mean, as a Muslim, I'm supposed to love and care and help all of humanity Jesse, you know, for that reason. If I can give you one example, right? You know, when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him when he moved from Morocco to Medina, on his journey, there were many Jewish tribes more than 17 Plus Jewish tribes, the very first thing that he did, he did not expel them, did not hate them did not fight them. He wrote, or he dictated a constitution that was all inclusive of the Muslims and of the Jewish people, that Islam is going to protect them, because they were the Romans and they were the, the portions they were out to destroy the Jewish people. So the Prophet peace be upon him, he

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wanted to protect them, and he gave them identity. And he gave them, you know, freedom to have their own autonomy. So they thrive under the rule of Islam, all throughout history. If Islam hated the Jews, or the Christians, or you know, quote, unquote, the non Muslims, you can see all throughout the Quran and the prophetic example, how Islam has, you know, treated and protected, not only from the Quran and the Prophet example, all throughout history, you know, just in World War Two. One example I can give is, away from the Nazis, the Turkish Muslims, they protected 75,000 Jewish people from getting handed over to the Nazis. Iran protected 2000 people, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia, I can

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give you many examples, the Muslim nations, they wrote false documents that Jews are our citizens, we are not going to hand over the Jews to the Nazis. So that's a prime example how how what Islam teaches us to protect every single life, even the life of Jews and Christians because we are all equal at the end of the day. Do you remember just you're gonna give you love? Do you love the Jews, Dr. Seville? As humans? Yes, of course. Do you love the Jews? I said yes. And why?

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Because Allah God has created them, you know, humans have been created.

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Okay, Allah according to the dictionary, and according to Jesus, see, Jesus's language was the language of Aramaic, not English, not Hebrew, not Greek. In that language of Jesus, the name for God is ilaha illa. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, so when Jesus when he prayed to God, he did not use the word creator or God, or Elohim. He used the word Allah Aha, the way that we are using the word Allah. Do you, Jesus? Do you agree to Jesus was a Jew?

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By ethnic by ethnicity, he was a Jew, but by the submission to the Creator, anyone who submits to the creator in Arabic We say that person is a Muslim, anyone who submits and worships the Creator. So we say that you say that Jesus was a Jew who worship a Muslim. No, what we are saying is, he was a believer of one God, he submitted to one god so by definition, we say that person is

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A Muslim, a Muslim is a person who submits only to one God and praise to Him and follows his commandments. So you believe, you believe that God is a Muslim? No, we say that God is the Creator of all of humanity and the whole creation, if

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you are a Christian, who is he is actually God is the Creator. And in the Quran, it it gives many, many wonderful attributes of God. It says that He is the Creator of all of us, He is eternal. He does not have any children, he does not have any parents. He is all knowing he's a loving Creator, He wants to guide humanity. So it says in the Quran to guide humanity. God did not came down to become a human. He remained God and He appointed he chose from the humans, messengers and prophets, Abraham and Moses, Ishmael and Isaac, David and Solomon, Jesus, and Muhammad peace be upon them. And he gave them the revelation, Jesse. So they have to go and to humanity and invite humanity to

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worship of one God. So that is God in Islam. Amazing. It just amazing.

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Just to move on, yeah, now claiming that the Jew I mean, the Muslims

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do not see Christians and Jews as infidel, worthy to die of gap. And you could be friend them he's alleging them you're saying that Justin, is this in a more Muslim Muslim belief and religion? Right? That?

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Before he answers, let me just ask you some Jesse, tell me is this really like? What because you are someone who is one of the top conservative you run one of the top conservative radio shows in America, you've been on Hannity, and it was rush limbo, and the set was a savage nation, you know, these guys, right? Yes. Yeah, those are your friends. These are people who expose a lot of these beliefs and based on a false false pretense, so do a lot of is this kind of the thought process? Is this what a lot of conservative Christians actually believe this stuff that because a lot of Muslims are like, wow, they actually believe we believe this. So do you guys, not just you, but do a lot of

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Christians across the board? Do they believe this? What you're the kind of questions that's why it's so important is that we have these discussions, you know, do they believe it's gonna? I don't know if a lot of Christians believe this, because I have not spoken to a lot of Christians about it. Yeah, but I do know that there are Muslims who have converted to Christianity, and they know the Muslim religion really well. And they are very honest about the deception of the Muslim religion, and the hatred of the Christians and Jews. That's why when they move to our country, from from over there, they don't unite with the Christians and Jews. Because of their just like just staying for

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them. They separate, they build their own mods, and they build their own area to live in. And if you were to go in those areas, not all the numbers, some of them, you might get killed. But don't really you don't know that they don't really unite with Americans. They don't slow down with America for America. And so the proof is in the pudding, you see their actions, and it doesn't demonstrate love for America at all. Ducks. Do you want to comment on that? Yeah, so better Jesse, would you like to take the US Constitution from Americans or from the Russians? review that?

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If somebody asked you about the Constitution, right? Would you rather learn the Constitution from a knowledgeable American professor, or from a Russian who may not like or who may have moved away from the US right now? Get it from us. Of course, I will want to know hear from someone that is an American citizen born here, raised here, Noah, but that's different than religion, because religion is very deceptive. And because most people who are into religion, how with your hearts, they have anger of the heart, they're not going to tell you the truth about their religion.

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So see, how have you read the Quran, by the way, because the Quran is the word of God. And then the example of how the Prophet lived around how he practice. These are the two main sources of Islam. So if anyone tells me you know what Islam tells me to do this, or tells me to do that, right away, I would ask that the person the question, is it in the Quran the word of God? Is it followed by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him? So I'm going to ask you that question. Have you found anything like that in the Quran, whether Jesse that Muslims are supposed to, you know, hate the sound of being deceived?

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Did that you're supposed to deceive. It's not there, my brother, it's not there because we teach the Quran this is what we do. It's not. I mean, again, it may not be there now I can argue because I've not looked down the Quran in a while but I do know for a fact that at one point it was there. And maybe they have removed it since, you know, we start to really talk about it. And a lot of people have gone to the Quran and seen it there for themselves. How that is okay for the Muslim to lie, is it has it about who they are and about deceiving the Christians and Jews. Have you?

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Is it a Muslim taught that it's okay to lie in order to deceive. You know, I can give you one quotation, Brother Jesse, and this is Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. He's saying that God said, there are three people who God is going to oppose on the Day of Resurrection. First person, a man who gave his word, then he betrays it. Second person, a man who sold a free man into slavery and kept the money. And third person is a man who hired someone benefit from his labor, then does not pay his wages. So Muhammad peace be upon him. He said that whoever beards you know, anyone who cheats us is not one of us. So Islam is really clear that cheating and lying and being deceitful is

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not part of Islam. This is so clear, both from the Quran and the prophetic examples. And just if you don't mind you remember when when you had me on your program, I kind of went over these things. And I told you this concept Tokyo was from a sect of Shiites, and they ended up using this to the sea but my question would be,

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you know, anybody who looks at the evidences and approves from what Dr. Bill is saying from the verbatim Word of God Almighty, the Quran and example probably Muhammad, this is some any someone who takes an analytical, you know, academic approach, they'll see that this is, this is totally false. But let me ask you this Jesse do the Ukrainian Do you believe that the the Christians from Ukraine, that they love the Christians from Russia?

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I don't know. Because I've never spoken with one from Ukraine.

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So I don't know. Should they love them? Should someone who's invading their country, should they love the invading the occupying force? If

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if they have been truly born of the Spirit of God, they have no other choice but to love? Do it. That doesn't mean that you don't defend yourself? Oh, you know, hate, so they have a right to defend themselves, if they have been attacked. Absolutely. Okay. So they have a right to have a right to hate. Okay, so they have a right to struggle and strive against the occupying force to protect their homes and their families, correct? Well, I'm not sure that Russia is the occupying force, whoever is whoever is not our media, and our government, a bit liars, and they don't tell the truth. And, and I look at how they pretend to be so in love with Ukraine. And they care so much about it, they so

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emotional about it, and they go over there and take our money. They take our war, war machines and everything, while leaving our country wide open with illegal aliens coming in and, and high taxes with gas prices and food prices. And they do nothing about it. And so it's hard to know what this this war is truly all about. They're hiding something from us a lot of things going on behind the scenes. Right. So the point, the point I'm saying is now you see Ukrainian Christians fighting with Christians from Russia, so you have two Christians fighting each other, correct? i Who? Are you saying that the President of Ukraine is a Christian? Well, you have probably the primary religion in

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Ukraine would be Christianity. Right. But you said that the President of Ukraine is a Christian. I don't know what religion he is. I don't know about I see no evidence that he's a Christian. That's yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not gonna say. But my point is, is not the people that live there that's fighting is to the heads of the Ukraine and Russia. And the people just try to stay safe. They are trying to defend himself. And I know a lot of them have been deceived about why this war is. So they think that they are fighting for the right reason when they're really not. But a lot of this stems from if you look back now, and you look at because you said that a person has a right

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to defend themselves, their families, they have a right to struggle and strive against an occupying force, wherever it may be what I mean it's just common sense. Once you agree, if someone was to come in your home, and try to like force you out, then you

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have a right to defend yourself now right? So then don't let me just finish the point sorry okay, but that's what he was he was quoting you chapter of 60 Verse eight of the Quran that God hasn't forbids you from dealing Kiley and being just with those who haven't fought you because of your religion or driven you out of your homes so that's the point that we're trying to make is if someone is attacking you if someone's fighting you how are you supposed to like welcome this person in a given chocolate given chocolate and pizza and cupcakes you know so so that's not so that's the point that they're now Islam is not a pacifistic religion at turn the other cheek Godsmack being out you

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know, here gives the other one you have a right to defend yourself but you cannot go killing innocent women children or whatnot. This is something that's totally you know, forbidden. You have you have certain rights like Islam is something when you talk about hate and Dr. Seville can elaborate this and you tell me if you agree. I mean, Islam hates injustice. You know, this is something that Islam hates. Islam hates oppression. Islam hates racism. Islam hates you. No disrespect to parents. Islam hates a morality, crime, you know, intoxication, rape objectification of women gambling, robot interest, you know, the exploitation of the poor. So there is a place for

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hate so God hates these things. But just because someone might be doing it doesn't mean that we now are going to go be violent against somebody or whatnot. Just like you as a pastor, I'm sure you don't, you don't agree if somebody is doing things opposite to the Bible, correct. You're gonna hate those, you're gonna you're gonna hate those things that God deems as immoral. So, so there is always right. I will discern them, but not hate them. Let me ask so I agree that if you're being attacked, you're supposed to defend yourself. But let me let me ask you Do you believe in jihad? So you believe in jihad, then? No, I don't. But you just said it. You believe someone has a right to know

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jihad? You do? Just

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let me know. Do you know what Jihad means? It means what what we just described you we just gave it it's just like you saying I don't believe in Allahu Akbar, what you said. So if I say Do you believe in hallelujah. Do you believe in hallelujah? No, you don't believe God is the greatest who has hallelujah. In the church though. But do you believe that God is great that he is the greatest? Do you know I believe he is God? Yeah, he's God. But is he greater? Is he greater than the whole creation? And what do you mean by greater than? Well, let me ask this for you know, more honorable, you know, more loving, all knowing he's better than the whole creation.

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Let me ask this. About defense. You mentioned that we have a right to defend ourself and I agree.

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Do you agree with me? It's a shame, shame. Right.

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Sabine, Ellie,

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the white guy.

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Amazing, amazing. Any right? Yes. Okay, Eddie, do you agree with me that in America, white people are under attack by the blacks and others the blacks have gone into their homes are robbing them and killing them and raping them? They are taking your cars your high car jack and knocking them out? In some ways, the ages are knocking them out. Do you agree that two white people have a right to defend themselves from the blacks?

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I mean, that's that's a God given right. Every human being has a right to defend themselves. So do two white people have a right to defend themselves from the blacks? It doesn't we don't have to particularly say just anybody who comes and tries to do injustice towards you. You have a right to defend yourself, your family, your property, your possessions? Yes. And so due to white people have a right to defend themselves from the blacks. How would you answer that? Yes, you have a right to answer data by a lot of love by people so I'm asking you to doubt about white people in America. Yes, everybody has equal have a right to defend themselves from the blacks. I think I answered it.

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How would you answer that Knoxville? No, no, no. What'd you say? I'm sorry, I didn't hear it one more time. Every human being who is being attacked by anybody be it

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every human being I ask you about the whites and the blacks yes you do white people have a right to defend themselves from the blacks here in America. Yes, everybody has a right to defend themselves. Everybody man

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So Jesse, you would have white people have a right to defend themselves from the blacks here in America. Let me take a shot at that. Let me try early One More Time Doctor then I answer it though I so you see me included everybody white people not everybody do it if whites have a right to defend themselves from the blacks in America be a yellow, pink, orange, black, whatever color into question, but I'm not I'm saying yes.

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That's the

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mess that we're talking about. You're dodging the question right now, where's your honesty? If you flip it around and you say, does a black man have a right to defend himself as a white man as he gets? Does the White men have the right to defend himself against someone trying to rape? Yes, it's obvious that's I don't want to flip it around. Um, anyway, you right now is known that white people are under attack by the government, by the blacks in this country, really about blacks in the country, due to white people in America have a right to defend themselves from the blacks.

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If anyone because if you generalize it, if you're generalizing now, as if you're saying, I'm telling you all that was going on, and you're not answering, if you're saying all black people,

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I didn't say all black people, not all not all, not all, but most. So I didn't say all I simply asked if you defended people so well, I'm asking you in America, you are an American, right? And just due to black people, white people have a right to defend themselves from the blacks in America. If Jesse Peterson came to attack me in my house, and he's black, I have a right to defend myself. Yeah. Why is it hard to say yes. Why people to defend him? I just said Yes, man, if you come in my house to attack me, I have a right to defend myself. Yes. But you're not answering your washing man. You're not answering the question. You're, you're skirting around the question. But you into the

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Allahu Akbar, sir. You said just about that. But you did not hear about whites protecting themselves in American 100 blacks. I just said every human being being white and inaccurate, every human be.

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I answered the question, Jesse. No, you didn't.

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So Jesse.

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Yeah, suppose if you come to my family, and attack my family, I will not take a look at if you're white, black, brown, you know, pink, I would defend myself, my family and my honor. In the same way, if a black person comes to you, or a white person, you will not say you know what, this is black. Leave him alone. This is white, you know, let me attack him back. You would say, you know, what matters at that point? Is that the safety of myself and my home? The race doesn't matter. Because your question is a loaded question. Trying to what Eddie's trying to do is, he's trying to avoid the race card. But saying, every life is precious. It is God given it is equal, every soul, every blood

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is equal. So doesn't matter who is the oppressor, race doesn't matter who is the oppressed race doesn't matter what weapon is used, that doesn't matter. We have to protect, we have because life is sacred. Because it says in the Quran, you know, Jessie, chapter five, verse number 32, that taking one innocent life is like taking the life of all of humanity. And God does not say the life of a black and white or brown or anyone else. So in that sense, we should be thinking, every person has the right to defend themselves against anyone they could be of any faith, any color, and any,

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any background. Just yeah, you just be

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in America, white people are under attack by the blacks and others, and especially the blacks, not all, not all, but most do white people in America doctors should be do have a right to protect themselves from the blacks in America.

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You know, if you make it like all of black, because your question assumes not all, not all, not all, but most do, white people have a right to protect themselves from the blacks in America. If blacks are the oppressors, if right, the word if is there, if blacks are the oppressors, and if if whites are the ones being oppressed, then definitely every person in the whole, you know, all of humanity should defend the whites. On the flip side, if some white people are the oppressors, and the black our brothers and sisters from the African background, if they are the ones who are being oppressed, the whole humanity should come and protect the oppressed. So let me restate my question because I'm

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asking you guys where you been? You tell me where you going? Joshua Seville. In America, white people we all notice are under attack is better by blacks. Do white people have a right to protect themselves from the blacks? But Jesse Do you have the data to support what you're saying? Or you?

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You just cannot say you know white people are under attack and blank.

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Of course, of course you have

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white people under attack.

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No, I don't see that. What I do

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see that what I see?

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There are always incidents in which a person from the white background bronde background, people of different phase, there are good and the bad apples in the followers of any fate. So we cannot generalize any race, any religion, any nationality and say you know what white if they're doing this and blacks if they're doing that, that's amazing that you guys are too afraid or either don't love the whites enough to be honest about this. Let me let me I want to ask Dr. Sabir, you said that life is pressure. What do you precious? Precious? What do you mean by that?

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What it means so this is I'm quoting from the Quran, chapter five, verse number 32. God is saying that to save one life is like saving all of humanity. And to take one life, it's like you're taking the life of all of humanity. That means God created this life, especially the human life doesn't matter what race, what religion, and what nationality, every life is, life is precious in the eyes of God, that means we are supposed to take care of each other, remove the oppression from each other. And we are supposed to live in peace and loving harmony with each other. Just let me ask you this, let me get this to me. You say we're supposed to save each other.

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That yeah, God believe it would save them in what way? Suppose if my neighbor is getting attacked by some gang, for example, they want to break down the door, I may go and physically protect my neighbor, or I may call 911. Or I may do something else. So I can save the life of my neighbor away from these oppressors. But that's

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about say, because if that's true, God allow the children of

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the devil to destroy themselves, to kill themselves, physically kill themselves, and what God meant about save in spirit to save the heart from, from the devil, he doesn't mean physically gonna let you die, he'll let you be homeless, he'll let you walk around looking crazy. He'll let you live on the streets, because he has made a way for you to return to him spiritually. And once you return to him spiritually, He will protect you, both spiritually and physically. So God is not into the pressure thing. And he was saying, that's not true about God. Let me ask you this. Burn the whole baby in the city of Gomorrah, Salamanca, more, God destroy women, children, and men, because they

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were of the devil. So here's like into the pressure thing. Let me ask you this best. Go ahead. Yeah, so God is given us a free choice of our free choice, if we come towards good follows the One God the way Jesus Moses, Abraham used to follow and do good deeds, they would be good consequences, the reward, if a person of their own choice are into drugs, and you know, doing all the wrong things, killing and homicide and suicides, then obviously, there would be consequences. So God is not forcing anyone to do anything, God has given us a choice. But suppose if it's up to me to save a person, ought to just let him in, let him die. by the hands of the oppressed, I will try to protect

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and save that person. That's what it means that life is precious, we should be out there as a force of goodness in the society. Are you? Let me get? Let me get a question. And just the passages. He told me this when you mentioned God, I sincerely want to know, Do you Do you believe that Jesus is actually God the Father? Or do you believe he was sent by God? What is without a doubt, without a doubt, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And God's nature, his spirit dwelled, and stood us in Him, in order that he may get the work done on earth become the light of the world. And Christ made it clear that he wasn't God. He said, I'm just Son of God, I was set by God, a greater worship that I've done

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that you should do, he will go to the Father and pray and seek His will. And so, if God was God, he wouldn't go to himself to seek His own will, he would know His will. So he's clearly the Son of God and not God. Can you tell me what when you say Son of God, so we could just have a better understanding? Because, you know, the human mind understands when you say, Son, you understand you can have a literal son, you can have an adopted son, or metaphorical. These are the three options. So what do you mean, and you're the right man for the job because you're a pastor. So just respectfully asking you and these are the conversations that we're talking about us having to

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understand each other better. So what do you actually mean that Jesus was the Son

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Son of God, can you please elaborate on that? Yeah, I will. But are you saying people are so dobbed at when they hear that Jesus Christ is just Son of God, they don't understand what a Sunday is.

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Well, that's the

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these are the options so you can have a literal Son of God. So are you saying he was literally the begotten Son of God? Was he an adopted son? Or was he is this metaphorical? And the reason I'm asking is what let me and I'll tell you, after you, yeah, because the question doesn't make sense.

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No, I tell you, what it is trying to ask is this emotional question, but it doesn't make sense. Like for me, let me know the difference between a son and a father. And this is, and this is, and this is, again, we love Jesus as a mighty messenger. If you say any disrespectful thing about Jesus as a Muslim, you can go straight to the hellfire. I just want you to know that. I mean, there's no playing around, you know, we get offended if you offend Jesus. So yeah, y'all won't defend white people in America. But listen, so we know that dogs have puppies. You know, cows have calves. Cats have kittens. So when you say God had a son, please elaborate. What do you mean?

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God sent His Son,

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Jesus Christ, through Mary.

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So that we the people, the people who were lost, they had no way back to the Father. Because Adam believed in the woman, after she believed in the devil. And so the woman became demands guy, and the devil became the woman's God. And as a result, that was no way back to the Father to God. And every man, every human being born through the woman,

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die, and they are born of the devil. And so when Christ there, he needed a man to come, that was not of the woman, but of the Father. And so he created his Son, Jesus Christ, put his spirit in him, and sent him to the woman, so that all who believe in the Son will believe in the Father. And that's why we are urging boys and girls men and women, to return to their earthly fathers, by not resenting them forgiving them for not protecting them from their mothers, become mothers turned to children away from their fathers, and they recreate your children in their image, which is of the devil. So when the kids we turn to the earthly fathers, they will return to God, they have to give their

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mother for turning them away from their fathers, and recreated them in their image, and return to their earthly father forgive the Father for not protecting them, from the mother, because they didn't understand the spirit of the mother. And so when you love your earthly father, you can love God. But if you don't love your earthly father, you will never ever, ever love God, you would not know him. You read about him intellectually learned that way, but you won't know Him, you will have a personal relationship with him. You're just to be an emotional intellectual, talking about God, when in reality, you're hypocrite and Pharisee, because you don't know God and you keep other people

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away from him. Duck Seville, you want to? I just want to say no, I'm not sure whether Jessie, if you know what we believe about Jesus. I don't think you may know it. So I can quickly ask you this question, right? When Eddie saying that, you know, his son can be taken as either a literal way or a metaphorical way. I am assuming that you take Jesus to be a literal Son of God, do you?

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Jesus Christ was the Son of God, even when he lived on earth in a physical body.

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He was still the Son of God dwelling and Jesse Jesse answered the question Jesse.

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Jesse, yes or no? Yes or no? Respectfully just see, come on. You know how you come on me. We're buddies now. So we can do this. Come on. What do you mean by Nero leaders? What do you mean by that? Sure, sure. So according to the Bible, according to the eastern Bible Dictionary, I read the Bible many times, by the way, just to let you know,

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I read the Bible many times, I'm just quoting you from the Bible dictionary, and also from the Bible. There are many, many places where the Bible mentions about a son of God in a metaphorical way. For example, according to the eastern Bible Dictionary, if you go under the labels, Son of God are sons of God. It says, Anyone who is a righteous person is called as a son of God. So for that reason, whether Jesse if you look into the Old Testament, the book of Psalms, chapter number two, verse number seven, it says, that David was the begotten Son of God. Jacob was the Son of God, even Adam is called is the Son of God in Luke chapter three, verse number 38. So since the word son is

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there, do you take them as literal or metaphorical will be

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cause and you're right, all who have returned to the father's a sons and daughters of God, and a cry and God is a Spirit. So spiritually, Jesus Christ is the Son of God, who lived here muster for a while in the physical body. And so I hope, hopefully that answer Yeah, he is the spiritual son of God. So not in a literal way. So I mean, Jesus is no different than David and Jacob, and Adam, because they're all sons of God, from a biblical point of view, any righteous person is called as a son of God, oh, boy of God, if they have not been born of God, they're not sons of God, their sons and daughters of the devil. Right? So So the bottom line is, there are many, many sons of God in the

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Bible, and Jesus is no different. That's the point we are trying to get on. Who do you mean he is no different? Yeah, because he's just like David who is also called as the begotten Son of God. He's just like Jacob, who is also metaphorically Son of God, and like Adam, who's also metaphorically as Son of God. See, God said, there are only two categories in this whole universe. One is the creator, anyone else? Anyone who is not a creator, is called as the creation. So Jesus is a creation of God in a metaphorical way. People may say, He's a son of God, you see, the creation of God. See, there is a Creator and anything else, anything who is anyone who is not a creator, what is the name for

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that person? He is a creation, you with us, you and I, we are a creation, we are not creators. If Jesus is not God, that means he is not God. He is a creation of God. So in that sense, Jesus was a human. He was a prophet, the way that Jesus said that I'm a prophet of God many, many times in the Bible. So we say that God gave a message to Jesus, about inviting people to worship only one God, which is there in in the Quran, chapter three, verse number 51. Jesus is saying, and this is God is quoting. So Jesus is saying, in Allah Hora beaver a book on Fabu herzer Sirata musta came, verily, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, worship Him alone, and that is the straight path. But the amazing

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thing whether Jessie is exactly similar thing is mentioned in Mark chapter 12, verse number 28.

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A person comes to Jesus and he asked him a million dollar, quote, Scriptures with no meaning. It has no meaning, intellectually, intellectually, I know that you think you have meaning. I know that you think, but you just quoted a Bible like any intellectual appreciate a so called expert, where do they learn look at the preachers and

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Catholic priests and autofull. They are hypocrites, they quote the Bible, but on the inside, the glass is dirty, is evil. They are dealing with the media, they are they are quoting the Bible with all the mess, but it will leave their hearts are far away from God. And that's why the pupils suffer because the people listen to her. Never really seek and father from within. So let us give the context of the passage which I'm going to quote mark chapter 12 Verse, you sound like me? Are you doing quote Bible, but you're not giving me any understanding at all? Does he sound like

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what you're saying? Does he sound like black preachers do all they do to quote the Bible? Yes. Does he sound like a black preacher? Also, he sound like a black intellectual preacher.

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Yeah, so

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are you doing a quote in the Bible and the Quran but you have no understanding about what no insight at all what you're talking about? Let me ask you some common says Jessie docsvault, please don't lose your place. If me and you are driving in a car. And I am the driver and I'm the one who's speeding. And then I say, Jesse tells me Hey, man, can you slow it down and whatnot. And I'm just like, trying to get us in a lunch when you come to Chicago? I'm taking lunch and I'm speeding. Police pulls us over. Would it be fair and right that the police, the policeman came over to your side of the car and gave you the ticket for me speeding? Is that is that just as a fair, Jessie? No,

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that's not fair. Okay, so now that takes me to the main point of the question. Do you believe in original goodness that every human being was born in original goodness, or that now they are born in original sin that they are stained from the beginning, and that they're being blamed for something that they didn't do? What do you mean by boy and regional goodness? I don't know that me.

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Original goodness. Ducks. Do you want to take it away?

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Yeah, see?

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Original goodness means God has created all of us with a free choice with a clean heart, no blemish, pure and innocent. That's what Islam say, see, Islam says better. Islam is a rational, really, you know, fair faith. Islam says that no child, no human, can be blamed as an evil person or in a sinful person, if the person has not committed any sin. So according to Islam, every new born baby is a sinless individual. Later on, if they commit a sin past the age of puberty, that's when that's when they would have the consequences. So Islam says that every child is born with a good heart with a good mind, pure and innocent. That's what Edie saying. And that seems to be fair, and just in any

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court of law, you cannot blame any person to be a sinner, or a law breaker if the person has not committed that. That's what he's saying.

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Does that make sense? Just

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be Jesse, does that make sense? Does it make sense? This is very simple, that children are born innocent, but they are born into sin, what cause sin, meaning that they are born into crazy families where the fathers and the mothers are no good. And so

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that's why all who are born of the woman all must be born of the Father, they must be born you have wants to live it wants to die, right? Once you die wants to live. And so all who are born of the woman is born into sin. The woman is angry at the father who's angry at her mother, her father, she hates your kids father. And so she imposed her her demon or devil wheel upon the children, turning them away from the Father recreated them in their image. And that's what it said is because the kids start to hate the mother become angry at the mother for imposing her will on them. And that's when they start to commit quote unquote, sin because their hearts are changed from love to hate. They

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take on the identity of the mothers, when they return to the Father, the hearts are changed back from hate to love, which is of God and not of the woman because a woman don't have real love. The love that the women have is emotional love that comes from Satan. That's why it doesn't work. So everybody born innocent, but they are born into crazy mess of families where the women are in charge. And that turned you away from the Father.

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So So you agree with us. Every child is born with a clean slate, no sin no blemish. And obviously we have told you we got a lot in common or see. I told you Jesse

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make sense? Right? Hallelujah. Allah hood, but God is the Greatest. And that's not a war cry. Jesse. That's just praising the most high if that's it, yes, he did. She got it won't defend white people. What a mess. Amazing.

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So let me ask, do you agree, Dr. Shibu, that all who are born of the woman are born into sin?

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What do you mean into sin? Meaning that they are innocent, until the mothers because they were born into families where the father is not the head of the wife. And the wife is not obeying her husband, they are born into a screwed up family. And they become like what they the kids become like, whomever make them angry. And if you notice, a lot of men are emotional, just like a woman. Because their mindset is the same as a female as a mother. So they act and think like women, and that's not going to change until they forgive their mothers for imposing her will and turning them away from their fathers and forgive the father. Do you agree that all who are born through the woman is born

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into sin?

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No, I don't agree with that. Because Because what you're saying is that, yeah, because not every child is born into a dysfunctional household. They're all

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because guys, they all are born that way. They all are born into sin. Because they were born through the woman. All he didn't say Psalm, he just said, one, maybe one out of 1000 All that's why we all must be born again of the father.

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Okay, so So this is what Islam says. And I want our audience to judge you know, which, you know what, what, which worldview makes more sense. Islam says that, yes, we are sometimes product of the environment. However, God gave us a right to gain education and obligation to gain education. And if we do commit sin, and we all commit sin, then there is a pathway for forgiveness is open, directly repenting to God without any mediator, and without anyone dying for our sins. God is all knowing is all loving. He's a good he's a merciful and for

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Giving God I mean, I'm a parent, you know, my child is over here, if he like does something wrong, right? Playing too much on the iPad, right? I mean, I don't like that. I'm not going to slap him. If he comes to me and says, You know that, okay, please forgive me, you know, I will be more punctual, I will read books, I will do my homework, I will hug him, I will forgive him, I will not take my other innocent son for a price to be paid for my son who has, you know, broken the house rules. In the same way, even if I agree with you that you know, we are born into households that may have all of these sins and evils, but God is a forgiving God. That's the whole point. The pathway to Paradise

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is not through anyone dying for us. But us asking for forgiveness, reaching to God praying to God following his guidance, and asking God's forgiveness. Do you so you married?

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Dr. Sir, and your wife obey you?

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What do you mean by obey? Does your wife obey you? Are you the head of your wife?

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I'm the head of the household. Yes. Are you the head of your wife?

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And your wife? I'm the head of the whole household, my children, your wife, children, by the way? Are you the head of your wife's part of the household? So your wife?

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Okay, head of head of the household or head of the voice in Islam, we have a different meaning. So it cannot be yes or no question. When I say I'm the head of the household, that also includes my wife. That means that yes, I have to take care of them. I'm responsible for them. And they should be mutual, you know, discussion for for the decisions that we make as a whole family to you. Why

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are you the head of your wife? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. As she's part of the household. She's part of the household is a part of the furniture.

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What was that? Is she a part of the furniture?

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She's a human being just like you and me, your wife, my wife, all the humans are human beings. They're here obey you.

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Obeying as long as he does not disobey God. They're here wife obey you.

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He does not unconditional obedience. Jessie, as long as that obedience does not disobey God, just like for example, do I obey the president of the USA? I would say yes and no, depending upon, you know, if he's telling me to do wrong things, obviously I will disobey. If I'm going to tell her to do wrong things. She has to disobey me she has to you know, rebel against me, and point me in educate me towards God.

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obey you, Pastor Jesse. There's a liar. I have a follow up question for him with that. Does your wife obey you? Dr. sebi? Yes, she does. In the end, the Bible doesn't tell the wife obey your husband as long as or does it tell the wife obey your husband?

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Well, in the Bible, there is no any conditions to it. But why?

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Why are you putting conditions on it? Because I'm not a Bible believer. I'm an Islam believer, Jesus Raj here the the wife to obey your husband, as long as

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the wife would obey your husband,

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the Quran and Islam, it generally mentions that obedience, first and foremost has to be with God. If anyone contradicts that, that obviously there is no obedience to that person. But allegiance and obedience should be directly towards the creator, you understand each other the woman in the Quran tell the woman to only Oh, you obey your husband. As long as he's doing it away. She think he should do it. Right?

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See in Islam, I can give you one example, by the way, children are going to have unconditional obedience to the parents, but then there is a condition to it one condition, right? If the parents are telling them to worship someone else, then the children should disobey the parent in doing that same thing for the wife. Same thing for the wife with the analogy applies it that we have written in the Quran.

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Yes, or that in the Bible, but but just you can understand it. So imagine if you're if you're for instance, if your wife says Go get me some. The wife says the husband says to the wife, go get me some alcohol, or go give me some lotto tickets or do something else that is a clear sin haram. You are then respectfully to say Listen, I'll get you some I'll get you some water or I'll get you something else to drink. I'm not going to get you the alcohol for instance. That's just an example. So that's what he's talking about. Let me ask you this Jesse. If you let me ask you why whole bay you Eddie. Let me ask

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This just your wife will obey you. Let me ask you this Jesse, look, you mentioned the Quran being hasn't been changed, right? And you mentioned how the Bible and I'm just trying to understand this these are this is this is not like, what I was thinking that you were trying when you mentioned the term traps and stuff, we're not trying to trap set up traps or anything and we have to have

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well, I said that when I came on your show, you know, a lot of time let me let me just define that why because a lot of times what these news anchors will do they'll try to invite a Muslim on and they'll try to get sound bites and they'll ask them these yes or no questions and they they'll end up you know, presenting a false distorted idea of Islam based on those things with the cut and paste so we're that that's that's a traps we're telling the Bible say let your answer be yea or no, yes or no. Let me ask you this. What the Bible say the next your answers be yes or no. When did you get out of jail? Yes or no? Did the Bible say you want

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to know when did you get out? When did you get out of jail? Yes or no? How long ago? Did you get out of jail? Yes or No? Any question, but you're not answering my question. That's what I hear the question first what? Let me let's just see, let's Jesse. You mentioned that the Bible, you're not going to answer that. I just want I like to understand, I'll come back to it.

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You can't give me a quick answer. If the Bible says let your answer be yes or no. Does the Bible say that? Does the Bible say that? No. You said no. It doesn't say that. So whether Jesse

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Holloman Did you say it doesn't say that? He said it doesn't. I was gonna say I'd have to look that up. I don't want to just talk. I don't know. I don't want to talk off my whim. See, we don't just make stuff up. We you know, actual evidence in the Bible? Not that it says Say yes or no, that you answered me yay or nay. That means yes or no. No, you said it doesn't.

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You say?

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Okay, so some other just say when

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you say you don't know if that's in the Bible or not? That particular verse, you'd have to show me. Okay, so you don't know if he's there or not? I don't know. Oh, okay. Okay. So you don't know. You don't know. I haven't come across it. Okay, that makes sense. If you don't know, I totally understand that. Yeah. So let me ask you this. There are certain questions that doesn't have a yes or no answer. By the way, as brother Eddie asked you the question. You may think you know what, it's not a yes or no answer. You have to give some explanation and then answer it. So not every question can be a yes or no question. Because that's not how life is amazing. You have to respect that. So

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before we conclude just a couple more, and I want to know are you going to be planning to visit Chicago anytime soon? Jesse what what part of the states are you in? Where you probably be there in July? In July? Yeah, you would you would you? Would you? I will ask you ahead of time. Would you have lunch with me and Dr. Seville? I would love to I would definitely look at my schedule and try to make lease of space open for that. Dr. Bill. I mean, would you be willing to sit with Dr. With pastor Jesse, Jesse Jesse, of course and it's our it's our treat, okay, we're paying

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amazing. Here's I'm turning to me you need to you need to

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out you don't need to, but I will suggest you become the head of your wife. Otherwise you're going to destroy your children. You know what there's a hadith by Prophet Muhammad who said he's saying he said that the the shepherd for every family is the man and the shepherd for the children is the woman so each one of you are Shepherd, you know, but Oh,

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god, oh god, oh, God Almighty sing in the Quran that the the righteous women are devoutly obedient. Okay, so their divine plan and the righteous women. So that's another topic but a Muslim is to be kind, kind to his wife to treat her honorably. And a righteous woman a wife is supposed to be respectful towards her husband. There's a great great book I had a guest he's a good cat five in the world. Today. I'm getting distracted. But remember, there's a there's a Christian I interviewed her name is Laura Doyle. It's called the surrendered wife. And she listened to a woman. She she talks about how you listen to a woman you will suffer.

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A listen to this. So tell me about the right data should be every time to man listen to the woman does he suffer? Now we don't want to say that look. Look, look first not in the mothers, the mothers of every single prophet, Prophet Moses and Abraham and you know, even Jesus, Are you going to say that Mary the pious lady, the chase lady, the Honored Lady, are you going to defame her by saying that you know, do not listen to Mary know Jesus is

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on par to marry man. I hear women at a boy who the women of sin and not a Mary Mary would not.

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You can't compare the women in the world today.

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marry, what? Ah, no, because because you just said, you know, don't listen to any woman is listen to her you will suffer even to marry with married now. Doesn't matter your shame but

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we'll get

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severe with Mary

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she's a righteous lady she would be in paradise, obviously, where is married out of the bill. She's mentioned it nice and she would be in Paradise because she was a righteous lady.

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You know, but, you know this important woman on earth today that could could be compared to Mary. And did you know that chapter 19 is named after her in the Quran? It's surah. Yes, Chapter Miriam, Miriam. It's in the Quran. And you know that in Islam, that the heaven paradise is under the feet of your mother. So we're talking about a mother needs to be respected. Children are respected. A father needs to be respected. But I know what you're getting towards Jesse, you're getting towards the modern day feminism. Right? That's a whole different topic. I'm not getting into that part of that spot on a whole. Yeah, yeah. The attack on masculinity. This is a totally different topic. This was

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your talk, the whole alphabet.

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Turn heard the man's children away from him. The divorce system I just talked about, you know, the marriage system and the non marriage system. Any woman that turned the man's children away from him, it's evil, then a feminist. No dividend a woman's evil. Yeah, that's evil.

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That's evil. It's the same spirit. Well, we can't blame all women. Like just like, we can't blame all men. But I understand. I hear what you're saying. Nobody. Blame all women. What do you mean by that? If any person if a man turns his children away about women, man? Yeah. Let me ask you this before because that's a different topic. Maybe we could do that. Just as a pastor pastor Jesse, I'm trying to understand, do you do you believe that the Bible has been changed? Because you alluded to the fact that maybe something was taken out of the Quran, but the Quran is the verbatim Word of God Almighty, tamper, free, tamper proof, that's one of the miracles of the Quran that we have it today

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as it was preserved, we have it and anyone who comes at it objectively, scientifically, and politically, they approach it, they'll see there's no way this can come from anyone other than the Creator, that is an earth. But let me tell me, do you believe the Bible because I heard you say, and I want to just hear from you. Do you believe the Bible has been tampered with has been changed? Because you know, as a pastor that Matthew didn't write Matthew Luke didn't write Luke, it's according to Matthew, according to Luke, and no credible Bible scholar will tell you that Matthew wrote Matthew. So that's the leading question. Okay. So how would you yes or no? Is the Bible been

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changed? I'll just do like a maybe I'll do like you do. As the, as the Bible was down duty years. Yeah, help us understand. Yes, men have rewritten the Bible in order to fit in with the culture. Rather than making the culture Fenian with what's right. They have changed about the wordings of the Bible. That's why I got not the only reason. But one of the reason God put in the spirit of our heart, we have a teacher within. And that is the Holy Spirit. And that's why God said, Let no man teach you. Because if another man teaches you, they got to intellectually tissue right into hell. But if you hear what they have to say, let it pass through, went through one ear and out the other,

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but allow only the Holy Spirit to teach you you cannot go wrong.

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So how do you decipher now? So if I understood you correctly, do you do agree that the Bible has been changed? How does someone decipher what's the word of God? Like? There's many passages that are really clear and lucid, where Dr. Bill was mentioning that the passage Here O Israel, the LORD thy God is one. You know that Jesus being subordinate to God that He prayed to God, we would say those are in line with what we believe that Jesus was worshipping the Creator calling people away from idol worship, away from immorality, we'd agree, but then you have other passages in there that we would disagree with like the passages that paint some of the prophets is committing immoral acts and

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whatnot, we will say this is the hands of man this is not the disrespect to you as a Christian or anything. But we would say that this is like because you said you said this is the Bible's been changed and and if it's changed, people are adding deleting. So this is where we would say and take strong offense when they insult many of the Gods prophets and messengers, and they attribute things vices to them sins to them that we would say there's no way because the prophets are perfect. Well apparently the Quran has been changed too because it would definitely in there where it says Christians and Jews are infidel worthy of death. And that you can lie to them you could be first

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we're doing

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Jessie are you God, we did this show. So just like apparently did it sound like the Quran has been rewritten?

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So has the Bible being rewritten, and it's set up to deceive the people, and not to set them free but to control them. So So brother, Jesse, historically, we know and I can show you the evidence that the Bible that you're assuming that you are also acknowledging has been changed. New Testament and Old Testament, right? But that process did not happen to the Quran. From the time the Quran was given to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him from God. He memorized the whole Quran, he had it written down 1000s And millions of people all throughout the ages, they memorize the whole Quran, and we have the copies of the Quran going all the way back to the first generation. So the Quran has

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not been changed, because Allah God promises in the Quran that God will protect it. So the

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is not there about infidels, the Christians and Jews and what you can lie to them to see them. You can see that whatever right, but that was not there. Now maybe that has been taken out. I won't argue that because I haven't, I haven't seen the new Quran. I just saw the real ones, where those seeds were there. And so they may have been changed. It may not be there today, because

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I've noticed that when the Muslim move into the Christian world, Western society, their whole mission is to destroy the Western society to destroy Christianity. So maybe that has been changed. Are you really do you really believe this stuff that you're saying Jesse?

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or

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whatnot. So So Jesse, you know, I, you know, because we're because as Muslims we're commanded, you know, we're commanded to command we're commanded to spread good and forbid evil to like I said to hate in justices you know, to be just so how can we like it's it's a contradiction, it's it doesn't make sense. Just we don't see the Muslims out there denouncing Allahu Akbar. They're not they're not out there denouncing that Christian Quran is wrong. And that Chris's resumes are infidels you hear yourself just you could just find them. Where are the Muslims? I don't see numbers. A Muslim denouncing that at all. Jesse, Jesse, do you see Christians denouncing Hallelujah? Hallelujah.

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You see that denying any passage of the Bible? When does that have to do with the Quran? The moves are not denouncing that Christians and Jews are infidels and worthy of death. So okay, so me as a Muslim, I will not deny that what you're saying because the Quran does not say to begin with, it's not even there in the Quran whether Jessie

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may be rewritten, so no, no. Today, no. People have memorized the whole Quran. Suppose if somebody comes and add something to the Quran, for example, there are millions of memorizers out there, they will catch it, they will correct it, they will throw this copy out if somebody adds something to it. And that process is a check and balance process that you will not find for the Bible for the old New Testament. The Quran has a do check and balance system. So what we have in our hands, the Arabic Quran is exactly the same that was given by God to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. It has not been changed. Later on maybe in a different episodes, we can go over the process, how the Quran has

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been protected by God, zero change, not a single letter, not a single word, not a single chapter. But let me ask you this question. Why do I believe in the passages that you're mentioning from the Bible, that man is the head of the household or head of his wife? The Bible doesn't say that the head of the household, the Bible, that the husband is the head of the wife, and be

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your wife, you are afraid to say that you ahead of your wife or you know what?

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So So Jesse? Why sure.

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Okay.

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Are you white? You know, no, hold on, brother. Why should you believe in that? Because that may be somebody changed it. Somebody inserted that since Bible has been changed? Why should I risk my life of eternity in a book that is less than 100%? Yeah.

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Don't risk your life like that. But I don't want your wife to hurt. Yeah, we try to be demand. But in reality, there's an order to life. And that order is God and Christ. Christ did man man over a woman, a woman over children. And that's the only thing that's got to work. And that's why everything else is a false imitation of that and is not working. And that's why men must return to the Father. So if they decide to do one, a family, a wife and children, they will be ahead of their wife and they would not even think of marrying a woman who is unwilling to obey Him, because there's got to be held in

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Hold, if she's unwilling to obey her husband, so Brother Jesse, where did you get your notion that a man is the head of the wife? Where did you get that from? From God?

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Wait, did he just reveal that to you? Or is it from the Bible is really the scriptures and where you were born other father, you can see it for yourself. You you believe in the Bible?

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No, we don't. You don't believe in the Bible? Why you you quote the Bible more than a Christian? Why are you trying to prove that the Bible is wrong? No. Because you believe in the Bible's there's a reason I'm quoting it not because I believe in it, because I'm here being a viable idea. You're quoting more than descriptions? I mean, more than a Christmas? Do you believe in the Bible at all? There are certain passages in the Bible by their Jesse that aligns with the Quran, and they may be at one time, the verse of the original scripture that God gave to Jesus. But you know, and I know that people have changed the Bible for that reason.

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The Quran as well, apparently, no, no, we can give you the evidence. I'm giving you the evidence that people have memorized the whole Quran, both me and Eddie, we memorize big chunks of the memorize the whole Quran, why you need to remember it. It's a miracle. It's a miracle trust that the Holy Spirit would bring all things to your members.

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Okay, if the Holy Spirit was the question, first of all, you can follow up on it. Do you trust and then I gotta go, because I gotta. So we're at the bottom of this hour. So do you trust that the Holy Spirit will bring all things to your remembrance? See, we trust God, that God is the one?

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That's not the question.

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Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will bring all things to your remembrance? See, we don't believe in the Holy Spirit, we believe in God case. Yeah, so we say that God is the one who is in control. And God is the one who's protecting the Quran, in the hearts and the minds of people. So when we memorize it, it's ultimately God who's protecting the Quran, through the humans and through the writing. But before you go by there, Jesse, you know, for you the Holy Spirit at all.

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No, God is God and there is no one else besides God, because the Bible itself says and the Quran also says is, by the way, and the reason I mentioning the Bible because you believe in it, not that I believe in it. Did I say I believe in the Bible. When did I say I believe in the Bible? You don't

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use the Bible. But aren't you a pastor don't quote from the Bible. If you don't, if you thought it wasn't who I am, I'll throw something out there. But my belief is in God. I believe in no book, and no man, I believe in God. And the Bible. You're a pastor who doesn't believe in the Bible. So you're able to buy

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that your pastor doesn't believe in the Bible can be made just for so? Yes, the Bible is the word from God. But the word of God is written in our hearts, Word made flesh, whose heart because we're Muslims? No, no babe, because my neighbor who is a Christian, he may say, You know what? God is Jesus is not Son of God, and he is a Christian and he will deny you and he will say that God has implanted His Word in my heart, who am I going to believe you or him? He may say the thing I'm not asking you to believe me at all. So anyone out the other just

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because

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if you believe it, just because I said it is just an intellectual belief that will get you nowhere you will still suffer in this world. But if you believe it because it's been revealed to you you can see it for yourself in you got it and you know the truth isn't the father has revealed that to us in this objective isn't that somebody can just make up things as they go along. Just see Don't we need evidence? The Bible toppers and it's not because you because because if I'm understand you correctly, now you don't even believe that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible is the word from God, the Word of God is made flesh in our hearts. I'm confused. Why God said, That's why God said

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the kingdom of heaven is within and that I give you a new reality in the New Testament is about the kingdom of heaven being within don't look without the answer is not out there is inside of us. You must know yourself and know yourself you will get to know God you must live from within and not without so before we conclude, we got some things out and we discussed it. And you agree that obviously like like we do, that the Bible text has been changed and now that's why God Almighty and the Quran, and that Dr. Sybil gave the evidence that it wasn't anybody

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can look, you know, I've read, I'm black and slow, but I'm not that black and slow. I've read in the Quran that Christians or Jews or infidels worthy of death, you can lie to them to the Muslim youth. You know, there's a challenge not a challenge I challenge you like, how much money you want your

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doctor bill how much you're going to destroy the infidels. If you use that there's, there's a there's a million dollar challenge now if you can come up, you know with that from the Quran, you're going to get paid now so we could put that to rest. Like that's a million dollars. You could go if you could produce something like that. Go ahead, give me a million dollars. You're gonna ducks up. How much are we going to give them if you could produce a million

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right now? He said, he just said you got 2 million plus the one that's 3 million now. Oh, so you can

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look look easy. Look how easy this is. Look. Look, if we look and I'll just make this contrast. If we go and you say this is in the Bible, we would go back to what you have with original but we don't have original Bible. But today we have the Quran it's original so you can just go and look to see if this word even infidels in there and you're not going to find it so you guys offered me $3 million, right? 3 million all right to show I can say to my gotta go right I have appointment right now. So okay, I'll leave it let's leave you with this. You talk about silent prayer. This is what I earnestly ask all of us to do is that we pray to God Almighty alone. That we asked for guidance that

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God created the heavens and earth the God that Jesus prayed to to God that Moses Abraham the last semester said to mankind that we asked him for guidance you can't How can you go wrong doing that the one crater that heavens an Earth to guide us and this is the one that we should be loving with all our heart our mind our body and soul with a real guy said that you must be still and know Him. Because when you ask you ask her miss you ask ego you don't know what you want, you don't know what you need. That's why you Be still and know him. He would take over and all your needs will be met. But when you ask you ask it out of selfishness. You don't know what you want you don't know so be

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still and know the father don't have to rip why and bank and all that. But I gotta go I want to go to I want people to go to Jesse Lee peterson.com Jesse Peterson calm and rebuilding the man.com rebuilding demand.com To learn more about what we're doing. So somebody that Jesse just give me 30 seconds

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32nd Man 25 go Alright, go ahead. And I believe that there is only one God the God of Moses, Jesus, Abraham, all the prophets. He loves humanity. And he chose from the humans, messengers and prophets. So we have to believe in the Creator follow His guidance. Very good guy, you got to hear them your wife, what?

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Are you better one second. So then we have to see which scripture has the guidance. If the Bible has been changed according to you, we can show and we have proven to you the Quran has not been changed. Quran has comprehensive guidance solutions against racism drug problem homicide in a breakdown of the family scripture of the family's structure by being the best person obeying God's guidance and follow in obeying God by God's mercy that's how a person goes to paradise. You know you go to Paradise by being born again of the Father otherwise you're getting into paradise, not our God paradise maybe to the Muslim God paradise.

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Where the tour wives are waiting for them. But hearing again due to Paradise, unless you are for Jessie up to four Jessie listen.

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Five seconds right five seconds brother, anyone who would like to read the Quran we can send you a free copy of the Quran English translation, please call us one 800 662 Islam one 800 662 Islam or go to gain peace.com Please read the Quran better Jessie May God guide and bless you. We'll see you in Chicago Jesse. All right, amazing. Hold $3 million. Do your homework now you

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know, alright, we'll see what else Or else you have to pay a $3 million.

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Or else get ready to take your shahada as Shadow Nyla in Allah why shadow no Muhammad so look that up that there's nothing worthy of worship, except

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look it up. There's no God. But God, that's it. That's your message. Take care. All right. Thank you guys. I appreciate Chicago. Okay.

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All right, guys, that was a pastor Jesse who runs one of the popular Christian conservative talk shows here in America and were sincerely trying to build a lot of those bridges with the conservative Christians and others. People out there who are trying to establish good in their lives, who want to see their children

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GRANT come up in a positive light, you know, in a, in a positive atmosphere. This is what Islam is all about. And we're trying to connect with our Christian friends and our neighbors and having them come to us to learn. And hopefully we've cleared up some of these misconceptions, Dr. Seville, what was your takeaway in the last few minutes that we have from our conversation with Pastor Jesse Reverend Jesse Peterson?

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Yeah, I mean, it's really, it's really, you know, a pleasure having him in the sense that he's at least willing to come and listen, he may agree, he may not agree. But at least the job of a Muslim is not to force anyone, but with love and compassion, using wisdom, we have to explain to Brother Jesse and the rest of humanity, that there is one Creator, and there is the rest of us, we are all creations of God. And God loves us, He wants to guide us. So to guide us he appointed messengers and prophets. And submission to one god is what Islam is. So as people moved away from Islam, in the time of Jesus, Moses and different times, God appointed messengers and prophets to bring these

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people back again. So there's a bigger message that we want to give to Brother Jesse and to all of us. And we hope and pray that maybe in a sequel, maybe in a different discussion, we can have specific topics compared to jumping all over the place. And we hope and pray that those who are watching us, you pick up a copy of the Quran and not make up your mind about Islam, based upon what you see in the media, based upon those people who are not Muslims, learn Islam from the Muslims, knowledgeable Muslims, and go and read the sources of Islam. The Quran, which is the word of God, and the Sunnah, which is the practices of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. And I think those

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caught talking points that Jesse mentioned, and I wanted to have some kind of understanding because a lot of the programming that's going on and maybe just years and years, he's coming up in age, I want to be respectful to him and you know, a lot of the conditioning so it's things don't just happen overnight, but if we're sincere, and our minds are open, our hearts are open. And now these are simple things that a person can look up like the things that he brought up doc Seville about, you know, is the Quran teaching to deceive you know, others the Christians, the Jews to so you could just end up destroying all this other nonsense. I mean, the Muslims out here are hearing this I

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mean, that means we would have to be perpetually a lie to ourselves to our followers. When the text you can open it and you can see for yourself and you gave some some great examples. This This has been debunked this is I'm just surprised that people actually like, like himself and others believe this type of stuff, you know, and you look at the Quran where Allah is talking about that. Well, my son NACA Illa Rahmatullah mean, the Quran is saying that, Oh, Muhammad, we sent you as a mercy to all of mankind. So how can a mercy to mankind, people who wish peace upon other people want to destroy other people, and you quoted the Ayah from the Quran, chapter 60, verse eight, that people

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are not persecuting you and driving you out of your homes, like, you have this war going on between the Russians, Ukraine's and the whole world understands now, you know, one invading country coming to another and these people are looked at as heroes and they're saving their homeland and whatnot. But when the Muslims do that, now, they're looked at as what terrorists and whatnot. So he understood that when we're talking about it, what a struggle is against evil. And this is just common sense. But when you look at the facts, from the text, you know, you have so many so many examples where you can give you know what I mean, you know, and so many textual proofs that anybody

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who looks at the Quran objectively, sincerely in the life of Prophet Muhammad doesn't cherry pick, cut and paste will see that look, you know, what's truth and what's falsehood? So I thought, this is very important, you know, the whole concept ducks, do, they bring up to Kiya, you know, deceiving, lying, and just, I thought these things got faded out, and it just surprising that they come and they come back up, you know, again, and it's just like, it reminds me how a Muslim is able to even marry a Christian Right or a Jew, how you going to hate your own wife, you know, if you are marry her, if you are taught from a young age is, as he said, in videos to just lie and deceive, you know,

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to what, it doesn't make any sense. You know, what is important for the viewers, and also for me and for all of us, is that we should never, ever judge a faith based upon the not so good followers of that faith. Because if I'm going to judge Christianity, or the Bible, or Jesus based upon the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the slave traders and the genocide of the Native Americans, and all the heinous crimes done in the name of Christianity, I'm not doing justice to Christianity or the Bible, by looking into the actions of the people. In the same way there may be some Muslims out there, right, who may doing acts which goes against the teachings of Islam, we have to condemn them.

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Just like we want to condemn

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Those Jews and Christians and Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus who are going against the human decency, human morality and doing oppression. So the bottom line is separate the actions of the people from the beautiful teachings of Islam.

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Come to the teachings of Islam, pick up a copy of the Quran, do not believe anyone, not even us pick up a copy of the Quran and you will see that Islam stands for justice and unity and peace, obedience to the Creator. Our destination is paradise, obeying to the Creator, not worshiping Jesus, Moses trinity or any creation, any animal worshipping only one God, taking all the prophets as honored people, following them, taking example of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as a final prophet, we will see that there will be justice in the world, there would be morality, the problems are going to go away, at but the best gift, the best reward would be through God's guidance regarding mercy,

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eternal paradise. That's what we want to invite you.

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And I hope and pray that you look into Islam and then you pick up a copy of the Quran and hopefully, obey and submit to the one creator. And we have that available now at the deen show.com free copy of the Quran. And again, again, I mean, I stress if you

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get the Quran, you read it for yourself, and you'll see for yourself and not let others think for you, and not let others deceive you. You know, because I think a lot of times do people end up projecting, you know, their own hate. And they have, they end up you know, projecting some of these ill feelings they have inside and try to put it push it on Muslims or push it on Islam, which it has nothing, you know to do, or they end up cherry picking, cutting and pasting. And I think this is such an A very important conversations, you know, and then you have also people unfortunately, who've jumped on the bandwagon, it's become a business, you know, entertaining people who like this

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kind of hate to, you know, fostering manufacturing, this fear of manufacturing a lot of this false information, putting this stuff out there, you know, feeding into this and you got people paid into individuals, you know, who do this for a living. And now if they end up changing their stance or their approach, they're going to lose a lot of clientele. You follow me? So that's the really important thing for our audience, everybody, Jessie, other pastors who have watched this Christians, you know, I often say we have to work together, we got so many different attacks on our family, our morality, all of these things that are out there that we could be working together. And over here,

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we're getting sidelines with many of these other things. If you have a sincere question, you know, call us one 806 62474 to read the Quran, sit with us, break bread with us, you know, visit a, a Muslims, visit the mosque, come to one of the open houses and learn for yourself, you know, if you're sincere, and you want to know, you're going to end up learning, but if you're just your your, your mind is not open, and you just come in, you know, playing these games and setting traps and whatnot, you know, you're just looking for something that's going to feed into this hate that you already have. You're not going to get anywhere, you're your hearts close, your mind is close, your

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eyes are close. At the end of the day. One important thing is that the reality is that every single one of us we have to die. And then God is going to bring us back to life, there would be a day of resurrection, and every single one of us would be standing individually in front of God. And then God would be

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taking us into account how did we live this life? Did we followed only one God? And did we do good deeds the way that he wants us to do? On that day, brother Eddie, no one is going to have an excuse. that my colleague made me do that my pastor made me do that. You know, my neighbor made me do that. Because God is going to say, I gave you the guidance, I gave you the right from the wrong. Why did you follow the wrong? At that point? We cannot have any excuses. Why did we not believe in only one God? Why did we worship a man a human Jesus? Why did we worship an idol? Why did we worship an animal? At that point, we cannot come back to this wall again, on the Day of Judgment. So now is the

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time now we still live that we have to think let's not get brainwashed by some people. God gave us a beautiful mind and mind to think and ponder, analyze. God is God. Jesus is a human. He used to eat used to sleep, he got tired, he breathed oxygen. So he was a human 100% human 0% God, just like Jesus, just like Moses and Abraham before him. And last Prophet, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him after him. So let's hope and pray that all of us we think about you know who God is and who Jesus was and come to the Creator, pick up a copy and inshallah God willing if you have a sincere heart, God will guide you pray to the one creator for guidance. And we kind of having a post analysis we

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kind of we went way over time but I think this is some very important because you will have a lot of Christians watching this and not not a lot

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A lot of Not Yet Muslims and how can you begin a conversation dogs to deal with someone when the you have suspicion about what they're saying? The term Tokyo's thrown out these these people are just deceiving you like he just kept he kept, they keep repeating like, you know, they're taught from a young age to just deceive you, you know to lie to you, you know. But if someone is sincere and there they can see through all this, they're going to get upset that now they believe a lot of this lies that were put out there to keep you from the truth to keep you because the truth is one and the truth is easy to understand. So when you are meant you keep mentioning God is One Worship God alone.

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You talk about all of these things that go with the fitrah they go with the human nature. So our the question would be are you are you duck Sybil deceiving someone to believe in one God. So if someone does all these things that Islam is calling to they're respectful to their parents. They live a morally upright life. They don't gamble, they don't drink alcohol, they don't foreign a Kate, you know, no sex outside of marriage, you might fall into these things. And God is the most merciful and you turn you to your Creator, that doesn't take you out of Islam. But now you turn your way back. And you pray to only one God, the same God that Jesus worship, the one and only one God. My question

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is, where's the lie there? You know, if someone does that it's going to make their life they're going to become a better human being. Where's the deception? I mean, just logically, it just it's so like, you know, it's so absurd. It just makes the the more you think of it, the more absurd it becomes. It doesn't it doesn't make no sense. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, right, there is so much there on the social media. But as I said, already, every person would be accountable on the Day of Judgment, they would not be any excuse that he made me do it show you know, Satan made me do that. They will also all they will all say You know what I just told you this, your head, your own

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mind, your own brain, God has given all of us in mind to think and ponder when research and be sincere heart is for God's guidance. So at the end of the day, we would say that there is a Creator, all the books cannot be from God, either the Bible is from God or the Quran are none of them. Both cannot be from God. So think and ponder if some book that has been changed, I cannot my risk, I cannot risk my life in eternity on a book that has been changed. Compared to a Quran which has not been changed. And we have shown on we have given evidence to the pastor. It has been memorize it has been written down. So it's a do check of balance system for the Quran. So we hope and pray that our

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sincere Christians and people of other faiths look into Islam. Islam is not a new faith. By the way, Jesus was a Muslim because he used to submit and worship to one God. So where Moses and Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac so if you love God, follow the faith of Jesus. The faith of Jesus was Islam submission to the one creator. And you even had our friend Jesse admit that the Bible's been changed and imagine having a mom come on and say the Quran has been changed. That means everything falls apart because once a book is changed, it cannot be from God. And then there's the there's the whole thing with the words it's it's it's what was the thing it was I don't want to misquote anybody but

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it's from God. It's not a God's word, but it's from God. What was the wording? Yeah, something like that. It's from God, but there is just playing with the words because if he's going to quote the Bible, then how does he know that what he's quoting is not the changed. Inserted passages? Yeah. Then yeah, so then the whole thing just gets destroyed. That's why God Almighty sent the last the final revelation said to mankind, but I think people get stuck thinking like, Okay, why is this messenger white? Why isn't he blue eyed? The racism kicks in whatever your mind has to be open. Jesus actually was a Palestinian was he not he was an Arab, he was from that part of the world. So,

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you know, when you look at it, like he wasn't blond hair, blue eyed, you know, how a person has made him look. So we have to eliminate this racism, we have to like, you know, get this, these these mis notions and a lot of these biases away from us and truly come to the Creator with a pure heart, you know, and ask for guidance sincerely, directly to God Almighty, alone. And then God Almighty will guide us but we can't come with these prejudices, this racism and this, you know, all of these evil things, and now we're playing you know, we're playing with the guidance. We're not really sincerely seeking the guidance and this is what is so important. We leave you with that to seek earnestly the

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guidance from the one God the Creator of the heavens on Earth, calling to God alone, guide me guide me guide me I leave you with that homework, you'll also get the Quran at the deen show.com. Look at it for yourself. Okay, and call the number. Thank you very much, Dr. Bill. Thank you very much. Again, we went over time. But this is a very important episode that so many Christians will be watching with pastors because we had one of the top conservative Christians on the program. And we were hopefully this can be a catalyst for other conservatives.

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Christians to come on the program and let us talk let us talk break bread together and let us go ahead and try to understand each other better and get this fear out of the way of the unknown of of not understanding because of people being ignorant come get educated come talk to us. And thank you doctor we'll again handler, May Allah guide all of us may God bless all of us. May Allah make all of us as submitters to the creator the way Jesus was and may God by His mercy inductors into eternal paradise, Amin or Salam Alaikum Peace be with you. oligomer Salama hamdulillah Peace be with you as salaam alaikum thank you guys. See you next time here in the deen show. And if you like this episode

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