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you welcome to another episode of the deen show. We're here trying to help you understand Islam and Muslims. And today we have a very, very important topic. We're going to be talking about the verbatim Word of God Almighty Allah. And we know that every messenger, that God Almighty sent, he sent with revelation he sent with Scripture, just to name a few. Moses, he came with the Torah.
Abraham, he came with the Scripture, Jesus peace be upon him, he came with the NGO, the gospel, not the Gospels, in the last and final messenger sent to mankind of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. He came with the Qur'an, this is the verbatim Word of God. But how do we know? Because the previous scriptures, they were changed, altered, edited by men? How do we know that this book we have is indeed unchanged, on altered on edited? That is indeed, the verbatim Word of God? We're going to be talking about the compilation how it came to, to just fall down from the heavens? How was it revealed over a span of 23 years and my next guest, Dr. Mohamed mamdouh, who is the former professor
from the john hopkins university. He's going to help us tackle this topic. And we come back on the show we'll be right back.
There's only one Mohammed is His Messenger.
Jesus was his messenger.
No, I did that. Maybe it's maybe it's just a break the ice Assalamu alaikum peace be unto you. Dr. Salama, how are you doing? Fine. Thank God, thank God, you're good. I'm good. We're all good. I'm good. I'm very happy to hear as well. It seems like we're the I mean, look, I don't need to boast or anything. But it seems like the Muslims are the most happiest people. They're always like, Thank you asked the most How you doing? He just says, Thank God, thank God, thank God, we do that. Oh, that's amazing. Design is better than thanking God. That's it another side of the many, which is wanting to be godly people. And you know what? This book this area we're talking about today? Yeah, we want to
know how it was compiled? Because this is an instruction manual, okay. That is for the whole of mankind. So many people are non Muslim audience, you know, they've heard this word. There's a lot of misconceptions. So how can we give them this assurance that this is indeed revelation, from the one who created us talk a little bit about this book, took her at the beginning stages, and we'll go from there, I'm gonna pick your brain, I'm just so excited Talk to us a little bit is very little
elaborate on this, because it's an important issue. And we need every human being on the earth, to know how this could all came to us well protected, well preserved, nothing changed in it. And when you look at it, from many perspectives, one perspective, if you look at it, and if you trust God's words, when he said that in the Quran itself, indeed, I sent down the whole Quran. And indeed, I will keep it unchanged. This is first of all, if we, if a person believes that this is the word of God, and he would find this word, so it absolutely would believe that it is that's a stamp. I get this is it it's certified. God is certify Absolutely. No, no, no, no brainer. Muhammad is the
receiver. That's it. Yeah, that's just like Jesus, Moses.
All of them are receivers. Gotcha. And here would really I'd like to. The other one is that I will prove it exactly as it happened. I'll explain the steps and I leave everybody to think of how authentic this issue is. We Muslims believe that step by step there is nothing that you can find any gap that any person on earth that can prove that there is a change that happened. And in fact, Almighty Allah himself in the Quran said that having been from any other source except Almighty Allah, people would have plenty of discrepancies and contradictions in it. And this is not the case. There is not a single contradiction. And I'm quite sure that if any single contradiction had been
proved, Muslims would quit the Quran be finished.
Absolutely. every child, every old man or woman, every young person, everyone believes that this is from God. Not only that, still, the Quran itself made a challenge to people and it's not black, we're not blind. We have evidence the Quran itself says
If you can do something similar to it, go ahead and choose. So talk to us talk to us now because when we say the Quran was revealed that it just fall out of this Heaven, of course, how did this work? Of course no, tell us it didn't. It didn't fall from heaven at all. The story is, first of all, the first step I want to, I will tell you the name of the steps. First of all the Quran was with Almighty Allah in
something called the preserved tablets. This is a tablet,
a local muffle as Allah, Allah said in the Quran belleau A Quran Majeed de lo him forth in Indeed, it is a Glorious Quran that it is preserved in the preserved tablet What is this preserve a tablet they give just very quick and it's a tablet that has all the history of humanity, everything in this universe, the tablet, or will happen, it's already there. Everything's there since the creation of the pet when Allah created it, and commanded it to write, and it taught everything that will happen in this universe until the date this is called the preservative tablet, a local bar for the Quran was there. And it was in a place called bait Eliza bait Eliza the house of power or the place of
power. This is how accurate the Muslims would know, even when it was with Almighty Allah subhanaw taala. So the preserver tablets in a place called bait Eliza
that it was sent down
the lower heaven.
Yeah, as a whole. Yeah, the Quran that which tells you a message here that Almighty Allah knew very well, everything that will happen to the universe. So it came down to the lowest level of heaven, which is called as bait Eliza, this place is vitalizer. So from a low held by fools, preserved, to bait Eliza, the house of power. And it remained there until, yeah. And the verse that says that in an zelner, who feel a little cut this process or this step took place in the night of power, which is actually the 27th of the month of Ramadan. The Quran came as a whole,
to the lowest heaven to the lowest sky, and it remained there and from there, when Muhammad peace be upon him became a messenger of Allah gibreel used to whenever gibreel commanded by Almighty Allah, to take this verse, by memorization, so jabril would memorize the verse and would teach this verse to Prophet Mohammed Salah Salah. So the Quran came in installments across 23 years. Whenever an event an incident something happens. The Las panatela commands jabril to come up with the verse or the verses that addressed this issue. And it was sent to Mohammed peace be upon him by the same angel is the same as
the same Angel and he gave the message to Moses, the same angel who gives the message to Abraham, the same message the same messenger with the same Angel Gabriel will give the message to Jesus at a salon, okay, he is the same one same is different. And here's one one thing that a person may think of gibreel may have
perhaps, made a mistake. And this is when you know, the
whole religion. When you know that Allah created angels, who do not make mistakes, the default of an angel, he doesn't make mistakes, not like humans. We are humans, we make mistakes, but angels don't do mistake, angels don't make mistakes. We're gonna take a break, and we'll be back on the show. We'll be right back. No speech is better than to do that we'll call people to Allah, enter do the word, no speeches better? No, nothing is better than that. Is it true that if one person on the law giving you the ability to guide someone through the laws permission, the creator's permission that is better than everything in this world, but in the whole world and everything that's in it in
another nation is better than the best of wealth, but if we really felt that that he would not be giving out giving and this is something that we encourage, all the MSA all the dowel organizations, the machines to get this we want to print more we give these to the non Muslims for free for free for free Warner Brothers in humanity.
We're back. We left off where the ark Angel Gabriel Gabriel, he is the one who is sending giving the the
instructions, the revelation to the Prophet Muhammad peace. Yes, absolutely. And yes, as I said that this process took 23 years, perhaps an angel would come to Mohammed Salah Salem, this day and would give would teach him some verses two or three or five lines, according to the situation, and perhaps after three months or after three days or after 20 days or after a day or so, would come with another revelation so on and
so we guaranteed it is guaranteed that it is from Almighty Allah,
the message came to Djibril 100% correct. And from jabril to Muhammad peace be upon him it's 100% correct. And from Muhammad peace be upon him, to human beings to the companions, and to the other people. 100% correct.
Now we are talking about those human beings, the companions of the prophets and the followers and us. How did they keep the Quran without change? Now, as I said that gibreel would come to the prophet SAW Selim and teach him one or two or three or four verses from the Quran. And the way he taught him like anyone who teaches any human being, he would say the verse, Muhammad would repeat the verse, and he would review it 123 times until Mohammed Salah Lai Selim would learn these verses, by listening by listening, like exactly how children learn nowadays, they listen to a song they listen to a point and they memorize it, yes, because of the repetition. So this process continued
with the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu sallam, until some were in the middle of the message Almighty Allah subhanho wa Taala and sit in the Quran, a Mohamed Salah, Salah, in Alina, Gemma Hawker, an either Coronel Fatah Khurana sama in la de la las panatela seen this verse that is, hey Mohammed, don't bother, we are going to guarantee that to ensure that once you listen to the verse, you are going to divine intervention, divine intervention. First of all, it was human effort, and the wisdom behind that it shows us how to learn the Quran, how to teach it to others, and how to memorize it by yourself. Yeah, so it's a human act to tell us how to teach each other the Quran. And this is how
all the people who teach the Quran they use the same methodology that had been used by Gabriel with Muhammad peace be upon him. Now there's a divine intervention guaranteeing that every word Mohamed Salah Selim would hear he would memorize it, it's not a human effort. It's a divine effort. Yeah.
What happens when Muhammad peace be upon him receives
few, I a few verses for your lines from the Quran after he memorizes them, he would immediately
teach them to the companion. And this process was continuing in the life of the prophets law. So whenever he received a message, he would memorize it, and he would teach it to people and people used to do two things to memorize. by repetition by listening from the prophet SAW Selim and the prophets Allah has allowed us to review this. And he would ask them go ahead and say it and he would correct them until they memorize it, many of the companions and he selected for people that are called for scribes, the people who get a better way, the writers of the revolutionary his time
in his house, not 100 years later,
in his while he was alive and in his house, because why I'm saying I'm stressing in his house because there are many other people outside the US to write the Quran made themselves Yeah, yeah. But this process is taking place in the house of the prophets, Allah senate and he himself was checking the authenticity of their writing. Yeah, of course, he reads an issue.
If the Prophet sallallahu Sallam didn't know how to read or write, and we know that Muslims know that the prophet SAW Selim, that's unlimited. I confirm it Allah. Allah said in the Quran, yeah. Non bias historians also confirmed it. So this is Oh, yeah, okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. If he knows how to write, he would attribute the Quran to himself. Yeah, never do that. Yeah, anyway, here. So the Prophet sallallahu Sallam would after he teaches those four people, and they start writing and those four people, every Muslim almost nailed them by heart.
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those are the four people who used to write the Quran in the house of the Prophet sallallahu sallam. Whenever their religion come through the prophets Allah Salaam, he learns it. And he sends for them, he calls them they come, and he asked them to write. Now, four people are writing not one copy, each one of them is writing his own
copy. Yeah. So now this, that they didn't rehearse his writing, and then Alabama with all of his writing, and then
I cremate Navy gel is writing. And then availably cap is writing, the four of them are writing at the same time. Then when they finished writing the Prophet sallallahu Sallam would recite again, and we'd ask them to review what they have written, because the professor doesn't know how to read. So he would ask them to review what they have written. And he would recite again. And according to his recitation, they guarantee you they ensured that this matches what the profits or losses. So now you should understand that there are two processes are parallel to each other. One is the oral repetition from which a lot of people memorize the Quran. And the other time The other thing is that
the writing of the
I'd like to elaborate to tell people here the audience and the viewers that of course, the writing at that time it did it's not it's not similar to the writing that we have now.
And if a person knows Arabic, yeah, he would know what do you mean for example, the most of the writing of Arabic language in all the newspapers in all other countries, you will find that it's not written with the vowel system, this is the nature of Arabic language, you can write the word with the vowel or without the valve, you know, let me give you an example. In English, if I apply this to English, yes, we address the word please. And the short time No, it is PLC. Nowadays, PLC says you're dropping the vowels. From there just keeping the consonants. This is an embedded quality of Arabic language or like bed. Yeah, absolutely. Really. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There are many examples
of that. So yeah, they would understand what this is. Absolutely. So the Quran the first form of it was written like that, without vowels, yes. And even without dots, I will elaborate on this later on. So the writing process was going on and on. And from time to time, Gabriel would come and review with the Prophet sallallahu sallam, the amount of the Quran that had been revealed during this period of time, whether it's six months or one year, right, Jibril would review with the Prophet sallallahu Sallam is memorization to check that everything is correct. And to tell us also another message that we need to review this from time to time, you can memorize the whole Quran, but after
some time, you will forget. So you need all the time to review and review. So this is this. Now the Quran is written, how was it written? It was written on pieces of leather,
leather of animal, it was written on some bones of animals like the shoulder because it speaks. And you can see many examples in the book of Islamic books of these. And also it was written on some pieces of wood, whatever material that they could try it on it. Yes, they wrote on it. And of course, this was saved in the house of the Prophet, particularly in the house of Arusha, the last wife of the Prophet sallallahu, he was the, the the youngest wife of the Prophet sallallahu wasallam. This was kept there. You can imagine year after year, year after year, it's going to very big.
What was going on outside the house, this was going on inside the house of the prophets, outside the Prophet sallallahu sallam, every one would hear some verses would memorize it
and would teach it to his family members or to his friends, and the profits or loss Elon himself used to encourage Muslims to learn the Quran he said that the best among us too is the one who learns the Quran whom memorizing the Quran and he teaches it to others. So as always, in the hands of the people similar to soon as it came down, it's being taught so yeah, absolutely. So people would teach it to each other. They memorize it because the reason is, they need it in their prayer. Because in our prayer, when we pray Our daily prayer, five daily prayers, we need to recite something from the crowd. So they need some material, some stuff to recite, while they are doing
they're performing their prayer. So this process was going on and on and on. And some people some of the companions outside the house of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam also used to write the Quran.
they memorize it and those of them that who were not illiterate, who could read and write so they used to write before excited to just write
something coming from Almighty Allah. Yeah, this was going on outside outside the house of the produce, like probably right now someone's listening to your
lectures people say they take notes that they were taking notes. Yeah, the people who were educated who could write, could write and the people who didn't they used to memorize. And this after 23 years, the Quran was completed and it was in the house of the Prophet sallallahu sallam, and for Virgin of the of the Quran was written. And the prophet SAW Selim reviewed all of them, you said version, just to elaborate is that some of them I think, also, you got through four different variants. No, it's the one that I wrote the one that was written by Alibaba tronic, and the one that was written by Avaya mcap. And the one was written by them the same, the same Quran, the same
teacher, then the same place, and all of them kept together.
In the house of the prophets, Allah says, this was the case when the house of the prophet SAW the approximate number of the people who memorized the Quran. At the time of the prophet SAW Selim, when he died, the approximate number figure was 200, memorizers and few others. This was the known one because some people who may have memorized the Quran outside, but we didn't know them. The history did not record but but even those names, the 200 names can be mentioned to you. Yes, when you dig in the history of Islam and you find the authentic books of Islam, you will find the names of all those ones who memorize the Quran, Tinto, 200, memorizers. And four copies written and kept in the house
of the prophets, Allah Salah, written on leather, written on bones, written on pieces of wood, and were kept in the house of the Prophet special, particularly in the room or in the house of Arusha.
The main thing now it's being it's memorized a memorized by. Yeah, we're having the written form put down so in two ways now memorized. Yes, by route memory by heart. And at the same time it's written on paper or written on documents written on leather, and other things that were used at that time. We're going to have to cut to a break and we're going to continue on here on the dean show talking about the verbatim Word of God the Quran how it was compiled here with Dr. Mohammed mundo, we'll be right back here on today's show. From a science major, when you look at the Bible says the earth has four corners.
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This Now here is the situation. I would like to review it with everybody. So everybody would be sure of what was going exactly. With Let me tell you that thing that whether every Muslim say that we know that the four people who were writing there, by name and by history and by by biography, you would find in any generation that they were five people or six people, every Muslim knows that they were four people.
I mentioned their name many time and here's the situation. The Quran came from Almighty Allah,
from the preserved tablet, to the lowest heaven in beta Eliza as a whole. And then it was an installment according to the events and the incidents that took place at the time of the Prophet sallallahu sallam. Here let me elaborate and think that some of the verses of the Quran were not just addressing what happens in the house of the prophets of Allah, Allah, what happens in Medina, what happens in Mecca, it was addressing something global, even something for example, some battles between the Romans and the Persian, the Quran addressed them. The Quran was addressing a lot of things, not only the things that were happening in the place of the Prophet sallallahu so I mean, is
it true if I can interject that there was also the Creator, correcting the Prophet peace be upon him in the Quran, the were the craters correcting the Prophet peace be upon him, he would say something and say like when all turned around, and he was discipline
Blame the disciplining him. Yeah he was teaching him the good morals all the for example even the Quran itself if the Prophet soul I sell it we do an act that does not affect yeah is the status Allah subhanaw taala would correct. For example, if you ignored somebody, Allah subhanaw taala would send him a verse telling him to do this. And if he does anything, that it does not fit him, for example, a very famous story. And this is very interesting for people to know what the context of the word insha Allah, you will find a lot of Muslims, almost every Muslim uses this word in every day, perhaps 20 or 30 times in sha Allah, which means God God willing, God willing, yeah.
It happened that the Prophet sallallahu Sallam was every time what the people would come to him the Jews and Christians and Muslims would ask him questions, and the Prophet sallallahu Sallam if he knew he would answer them, if he doesn't know he would say, I don't know. So in one case, the companions used one person came to him and asked him a question. And the prophet SAW Selim told told him that I'm going to tell you tomorrow
for getting you using the word inshallah, God willing. So what happened is that Allah subhana wa Taala to teach him a lesson that he should all the time use, inshallah, so he kept the revelation he did not send gibreel to him, and waited one day, two days and when we after two weeks and after a long time, jabril came to him and taught him this
in sha Allah to say cool inshallah, this is in the Quran, in the Quran in sort of cat so if he's writing and now he's correcting himself doesn't make doesn't make sense at all. So, so here almost a lot of the Creator is correcting and teaching the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam what to say in his things. And this is documented in the Quran that the prophet SAW Selim didn't do this. They didn't say insha Allah and Allah is teaching him disciplining him and discipline every Muslim from you because there's nothing that happens without the will of Almighty Allah. So it's a very important lesson. That's why you find all Muslims are using this now to say that inshallah inshallah
So, this is a brief scenario of what was happening 200 people memorizing the Quran, and four writers wrote four copies, copies, I would say copies of the Quran, each one of them was different was his own handwriting. And all these were reviewed whether the memorizer of the Quran the Prophet colossal m used to review their recitation and to correct it. And at the same time, the Prophet sallallahu Sallam used to review what the companions the four components, or the four scribes wrote, and he would ask them to review for each other, he would recite, and each one of them would review what the other had written. And this was guaranteed This was at the time of the Prophet sallallahu sallam,
four copies of the Quran, and at least 200 memorizes of the Quran, all around Mecca and Medina. This was the situation until the Prophet sallallahu Sallam died, and these four copies were left in the house of Asia out of the lohana. And still, the number of the memorizer increases days after days, until the time of Abu Bakr Siddiq, what was the first Caliph came
and I hope in the next episode, I will go on to continue explaining this in very simple language so everybody would understand exactly how the Quran was preserved. God willing, that means I mean, what you just said that inshallah we're going to do a part two inshallah, we're not not to absolutely no, thank you very much. Thank you. We look forward for part two, and we hope that God will and you're going to come back remember Dr. Muhammad Mundo is going to have his own section at the deen show calm so you can click you can read his biography and all the shows that we're doing with him. So this is part one inshallah. God willing, we're going to be doing part tune soon. So tune in next
week, or go online to see this exciting episode of the Qur'an The verbatim Word of God until next time, peace beyond till you.
Peace out 100 Allah Assalamu alaikum peace be unto you in the studio, Dr. Mohammed mcdu, former professor from the Johns Hopkins University, we are covering the compilation of the verbatim word of not Mohamad, of not a man but the verbatim Word of God Almighty in Arabic we say Allah, this is part two
You can go to the deen show calm. If you didn't see part one.
Dr. Mundo has his own section there. You can watch part one. We are continuing talking with the shake. And we left off
at the time when the Prophet peace be upon him had passed. And now
we're going to continue from here. Talk to a Shaykh salaam aleikum, WA Salaam, thank you for being with us here yet inviting me to talking about the verbatim Word of God that we said it didn't fall from the sky It was revealed over 23 years. And we came all the way to the point where the
recap talk to us recap a little bit from Episode One and we'll go from there. We said that the death of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam this was the situation. At least there were 200 people 200 companions, men and women. they memorize the Quran by heart. And they used to use it in every day in their prayer.
At the same time, there were four copies, written copies by four well known companions. And this process took place in the house of the Prophet peace be upon him. They were, as we mentioned, zeta Harris, and Alibaba vitalant, and niqab and crema nabee, Sophia, these four people, when whenever the prophet SAW Selim used to get a revelation from Allah subhanaw taala, Allah via jabril peace be upon him. What happened is that the prophets lesson and we call those people and would ask them to write what was revealed to Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi Salat and we said that Allah subhanaw taala guaranteed that whatever Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam said in the Quran, that it was guaranteed
100% that there's no mistake in it. So this was the situation until the prophets Allah seller died. So in other words, there was not there was no one compiled ation of the world in the form of a book.
It was four copies, as I said, that was written on litters of animal written on pieces of wood. And by the way, there are some of these up till now they are living, and perhaps you can see this in the screen. Yeah. Some examples of the written on wood, some examples of like what we're seeing right now that what we're seeing right now, yeah. So you can see this by yourself. So the combine Corrado is not compiled in one book, but as I said that four versions of the same thing written by four different people and reviewed by the prophet sallallahu itself, and even the Prophet sallallahu Sallam gibreel peace be upon him reviewed the Quran with him twice in the last year before the
Prophet sallahu wa Salaam, done and even some of the companions when the new that gibreel reviewed the Quran two times, which is not the custom of jabril because he used to review the Quran with Mohammed once a year. But in the last show, the companions understood that Mohammed Salah Salem is going to die because of this
revision that was made by gibreel in the last year of the life of the Prophet saws, when Abu Bakr Siddiq, the first Calif came
just a few weeks
they some of the people refuse to pay zakat to pay the charity that they used to pay is one of the pillars of Islam. Oh, yes, absolutely. And what happened is that this LED those that they said that I'm going to launch a war against those who advised them first. He meant many negotiations with them, but they insisted on the understanding that there was a fight, which is very famous fight in the history of Islam is called the Battle of vijnana. Yeah, during these this battle, approximately around 70 memorizers
passed away died
was a very big problem. Yes, although they had at that time more than 200 people, but 70 is a big loss. So he was the situation.
Abu Bakr Siddiq was sitting and Amami hot tub was sitting, and many companions were sitting, and the news came that 70 memorizer died in the Battle of Vienna.
It was a very tragic situation. And then Amara.
Peace be upon him. The second Caliph came up with this
He said that, hey Abu Bakr, why shouldn't we compile the Quran in one book in one must have the word must have in Arabic language just
what does that mean?
Literally speaking must have means the place of pages or the place of papers. In other words a book. Yeah. So the Quran was not compiled into one thing at that time, so out of top suggested this to Abu Bakr
the natural response of the Caliph, he rejected the idea
and how marble hubbub started talking to him, asking him, why
do you reject this idea? Why do you reject this idea? He said, simply, I cannot do anything that the Prophet peace be upon him. Didn't do.
See how how those people were so smart, they were afraid to do anything that may take them out of the way of the prophets.
said no, he said no, he refused.
This Tinder Amitabh started explaining the concept to many companions.
They were convinced
and then when
almost all the companions there was a consensus among the companions of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam
agreed on this issue
that it should be compiled in one at that time. Then and only then abubaker sedately Calif, accepted that and by the way, here is the one thing in Islam, if the comparison there is a consensus among the companions to do something, it becomes part of the religion. So companions these were when we say his friends, people that were living, living at the Thai saw have a problem. They knew how
everything went according everything. Even if the prophet SAW Selim would unbuttoned his shirt, they would unbutton their chair, they will just want to imitate the prophets, Allah Salah, even if sitting, putting one leg on another leg, they would do the same thing. Even if he's using his right hand like this, they would use the right hand they would imitating emulating the prophets, Allah Allah, in everything that he did, even in things that are not related to the religion, and now not making this into one compile book during the life of the press upon him. Was it because he was living at the time he was alleging that there were four copies? Yeah. And now the matter is left in
the hands of the people. Okay, so this was the idea. Now, what happened is that abubaker said, they called they didn't Harris remember, when they talked to perhaps one of the four people who the scribes who used to read the Quran at the time. So he asked him to do that, you know, that he's the leader of the nation, asking one of the people, the nation, and he refused. He said, I'm sorry, I cannot do that.
The reason is that this was not done at the time of the Prophet selasa. See how cautious the companions were. They just wanted to stick to the way of the Prophet sallallahu wasallam.
And what happened after that, when all the companions explained this to him, that there is a consensus, and he said that what law he had they asked me to remove the mountain of 100. This is the very famous mountain and close to Medina. Have they asked me have the companions asked me to remove the mountain of 100 from its place to another place? It would have been an easier task for me than to do this compilation. Hold it right there. We got to take a break. Don't use your place shake. We'll be right back on the dean show.
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And we're back here on the deen show with Dr. Mohammed Nandu. It would have been easier you said to move the mountain of 100 100 then to compile the Quran to do an act that that was not done at the prophets, Allah Salah. And this tells us how smart the companions of the profits last settlement how smart the disciples of the prophets of Allah said and where they wanted to keep everything as it was in the time of the Prophet sallallaahu. But there was a need
The to compile it in one book. And what happened at that time when he started compiling it. The way I'd like to elaborate in this now we have four copies, as we said, four different handwriting's because each one companion has his own different font or different handwriting. My handwriting is different from your handwriting. From your handwriting. Each one has his unique same code. Nothing different than Of course, it's the same color still the four virgins name. So what's happened is that he started picking, yes, the good version that was not affected by the element of time, you know that by the element of time, sometimes, there was wearing out, sometimes the leakage of the
ink. Sometimes there are many other factors that affect the time, after 23 years. Now, it's we're talking about 24 years. So there so he started selecting, for example, the first page, you would take it from the copy of Zaid, the second page would be taken from the copy of vapnik app. And from these four copies, he compiled one version, and they compiled it together. And it came in a form of a book. Absolutely, it was not like that.
Simply because it was not written on paper. It was written as we said, leather. And so you can imagine how huge
that book is, I'm quite sure that it may extend from this world to this one. But they were compiled together.
And what happened after that. So all the lift papers, from the four copies, they were gathered together, and they were
burned, they will spread. So let's just make this clear. You're saying that during the time of the Prophet peace be upon these work, there were four copies that were made with the treat the chief scribe who was there at the time, now again, he's there again, the same checking they had and these four they're brought together, they're not different versions, like
writing this completely. Bring it together in one book. Yeah, you can imagine that this book and this is the wisdom of the Creator of the heavens on earth making all these steps happy the consensus of the world. Well, the consensus, there's no fight this mooting like, hey, this shouldn't be here. What are you doing? There's no fight. They all agree, a lot of discussion, very academic and scientific and deep discussion among them to see that actually, they're all God fearing people. Absolutely. They're not trying to make a mistake here. Absolutely. There's no not a single
percent an error here factor. So the Quran was compiled, and they have a backer, so Deacon was left. Of course, this was the house of eyeshadow, the line now you said Bernie, because there are a lot of people here who may be just out of ignorance absolute or intentionally, unintentionally, they say that, look, they were different versions. Okay, this is because now Can they burn in first or ads? This is very good question. So first of all, how can they should be four different versions, if they are reviewed by the prophet Allah? Say, there were these four copies were written at the time of the Prophet. And he used to review them from time to time. Yeah. And he used to ask each one of those
scribes to review the other coffee that was written. So all of them as the group of four people, they are responsible for these four copies. Yeah. And this hamdulillah the wisdom of haematologic, lolly, Selim, it might have been an inspiration to him by Allah. But this is the wisdom he made for people, not just one copy or two copies. Why? Because the effect of time might have made some changes when you write a paper and you leave it for some time. Yeah. When you come after seven years, you see the effect of the time on it. Yeah, absolutely. So the prophets lesson was so wise. So that now four copies from these four copies, only one copy was made and was connected together
compiled together to make the first must have, and this must have, which means book? Yes. This must have was known to be called the most half of a beat, but was half of the reason is, it was made at the time of the book. And you will see later on when we talk when explain this at the time of asthma. Yeah, it was called asthma because it was done at the time of US law. It was not written by us, man. It was not written by a robot, even though the consent was not one of the writers. Yeah, yeah. So now we're at the time of aboubaker. Rebekah Siddiq, who lived almost for two years and then he died. And after the time of workers came the second time, this was a situation there's only one
copy and then many memorizers of the Quran everyday passes. A lot of people memorize the Quran. Why?
Because they need it in their daily prayers, they use it five times a day. And some of them were imams leading the prayers. So they needed that and continuously, whenever somebody makes a mistake, he will be corrected by the followers who pray behind them. And this is again one of the wisdoms of the congregational prayer of the Muslims, then that's why we are all encouraged as Muslims to pray in congregation. And to see that if an Imam makes a mistake, everyone who is a follower of him will correct him during the prayer. Yeah, so now we have a woodworker studied, and it's compiled there, but he passes away. They passed away what the situation was now this book, it was there abubaker so
up came after that. What happened is that the book was moved from the house of Ayesha to the house of Huff's. These are the propagandists. It was his wife. Yes, you're still alive. It's still alive. Yeah. Yeah. What happened is that at the time of Milan,
I don't want to go into details. But anyway,
Omar Macaca used to send people, especially the memorizers to the new countries that became Islamic countries. Because the Muslims open many countries and Islam spread in many countries. So how Madame Khattab used to send some memorizers to teach people, the new converts or the new reverts to Islam. This this the Quran. So, Koran now is going beyond Mecca and beyond Medina, to the new lands that had been added to the Islamic countries. So this was the situation at the time of Alma, then Omar passed away, nothing happened. Still have this one must have most hostile at the profit. Exactly.
Half still, they're still same one that compiled during the abubaker study. Okay, exactly the same one that was taken from the four copies that one how many years later? is this? No, no, you're talking about a homeowner lived approximately 12 years, so 12 to 1214 years, still the same copying.
And what happens now that is Islamic nation is increasing, is expanding in every direction, though, all the memories that are used to spread out and to teach other people how to memorize the Quran. So the number of the memorizers is increasing day after date men and women, all the new young, every Arabs and non Arabs, at the time of us men, the third Caliph,
there was a big expansion.
So what happened is that
when the people recite the Quran,
when I recite the Quran, especially as let me go back to the time of the Prophet sallallahu sallam, the people who memorize the Quran were from different tribes. And these tribes, of course, they have their own dialect. For example, you can see that in English, there is a difference between the New York dialect, a New York dialect and the Texas dialect and Chicago people in their places, they have different types, they read the same word, but with the dialect. Yeah, yeah. With an accent or a dialect. This is exactly what was happening in the term of the, the, the the tribes were spreading here. And there was long distance between them is not close communication. There was no media. And
so the prophet SAW Selim did not change the dialect, but they use the pronouns. They're the words according to their diet. For example, let me tell you, some people would say schedule, and some people would say, cheerio. And this is something common in every language. So the prophet SAW Selim endorsed these right.
And, of course, he accepted the these pronunciation. Give us one more like that what you said, you say scheduling, and should yield schedule and schedule, it will be another example. So we can hit it hit home with the same the same word mother or Mom, Mom, mom, or mom or something like that. So
this is just what it is. It's a way of pronouncing it. Yeah, that's the word. Yes. That's it.
And there are many examples in many languages. Yeah. So now those people when they spread over the world, teaching the people, so if I say that I pronounce it this way, and you pronounce it this way, so they needed to match this with a written copy? Oh, no, it's coming home to a judgment. Okay. So now, okay, we need a written copy. So this, there was a need at the time of Northland for having coffee.
So what happened is that just you try to imagine, can you take out this and make a copy from the bone or from now of course,
It was impossible. So what's happened is, he brought
zaidan, the highest of the first one again, he's still alive, he was still he still there was the wisdom of Allah.
And he brought other companions with him to help him. And he wrote one copy by his hand writing, he copied from those, this most half of the book, he wrote it by hand. Now, you can imagine that on paper, and it shrank down to this side, and perhaps the video, which are the people. That's this, an example of a huge, it was so huge of all of it on paper, and the mail he made with the collaboration of three other companions. He made seven copies. So now there are seven copies take written by the same person.
When were copied from there was this compilation of the Quran and these seven copies were sent to seven places, one, Mecca, one Medina, one Basra, one, a Kufa, one Bahrain, one to Yemen, and when to Russia, Syria and Lebanon, seven copies were sent. And by the way, some of these copies until now they exist, one of them is in Turkey. And one of the museum's there, one of them is in Egypt, that some of these original I'm talking about these seven copies that were written almost 1300 years ago, or 1400 years ago, they are still there. And addition to the number of the wiser, that is increasing not only among the Arabs among all the other countries. This was the situation at the time of
asthma. And that's why this version that we have nowadays, it's called dos MADI, because this was just done during as this was done at the time, nothing different from
absolute profits time.
Even if it was still without vowels, without dots, it was in the same format, but seven copies of it. And the verses of the Quran used to take it as a reference. If there's a mistake in the memorization happens. We said that in the time of the third Calif mathematic, not fun. This tuition was like this, there were seven copies, handwritten by the same chiefs Cripe, whose name is at the heart. And these copies were sent to these countries when as mentioned that these seven places one of them to Yemen. One of them is to Sham Syria and Lebanon and then another one was sent to Basra. Another one was sent to Kufa, one was sent to Bahrain and to remain in the area, one in Mecca and
the other one was in Medina, seven copies written by the same person, they were done at the time of our sermon, and that's why they're called Othmani. Right. And that's why many of the versions of the Quran that we have nowadays they call it automatic
must have referring to that they were done at the time of our Symantec can elaborate when you say because when we know we have multiple versions of the Bible, when you say version because people think different characters, and there's something in this one, what do you mean? Yeah, it is said that seven copies with me. So it's different. It's the same by the same person copied from each one of them. He is the same person. Yeah, who did the same thing. So that's why I'm saying that. So the seven of them, they were spread here and there. Now we call this I don't know, we call it virgin or addition or? Yeah, yeah. But we call it as many because the font here, this was the same font that
was taken from the time that the Quran was copied at the time of Islam. That's why they call it Aslan. Gotcha. Talk to us now about you can continue on but just a side note, when was a during this time that the Quran some of the people that were making shorthand, they were taking notes that it was taken, so there would be confusion and they would earn? Absolutely, yeah, the time of our spend, he recommended that you know that there are many Muslims everywhere in the world, especially in the Arabia. Yes, they were writing for their own they memorize the Quran they want to write so some of them might have written Yes, the whole plan, some of them might have written part of it. So at the
time of our sermon when these copies were made, he asked all the people who have some parts of the Quran or even other copies of the Quran, they would be collected and burned that's it
was there much resistance from the people on them? No, of course they would know that this is this isn't like a you know by force like knocking on doors breaking doors This
is because the the companions were on the same level of as the man or the lion and some of them were yes even had greater impact.
And then Islam and then even an understanding of the Quran then that are not found on the lawn so anyway the all these pieces and parts were gathered together and when burn it and we still have the seven copies. And when as I said as you can imagine the long distance between these places that the Koran were sent to the time of Alabama Vitaly the fourth Calif, nothing happened. There is no change. And this continued on and on at the time of Abdul Malik numeral one, the concept of dotting putting the dots on there, this was not there.
And that's why you would find that some words Yes. needed to have yes in the alphabet this has changed in the writing system of the Arabic so the added the dots to differentiate between what was this now this was at the time of Abdul Malik Abu Marwan How far is this after? Say not after as well, after Alibaba? We thought this would be immediately after just a few years after Yeah, just a few years. And this was for the purpose of what for the purpose of the said this is a change in the writing system? Yes, nothing change was done by? Absolutely. It's the writing system. For example, I will tell people now look at the word color. In the British writing. And the word color is written
in the American writing, you would see that this u is written and in the American system, they dropped the you, right? Look at the word night.
And I ght and nowadays people write it in i t right? Yeah. So it's still the same pronunciation the same word the same meaning does not change anything, but it is the change in the writing system. And this happens in all the world. Right? So this dotting system was introduced at the time of obtaining medical marijuana. And this was a per mile by a person called will. So what do we know the person by name and we know that this was well documented, there was nothing to hide or to conceal here. And at the same time, the Quran was continuing to be memorized more and more and more people now I'm writing copies different copies from the seven copies that were rushed, you love it. So you'll get a
copy, and you try to make a copy of the original work until printing was introduced. And hundreds and 1000s and millions of copies were made. At the same time, the number of memorizers isn't increasing. Until recently, in the last few years, in the 20th century, there was a statistic about the memorization of the Quran, there are approximately 9.3 million memorizers of the Quran de covered from cover to cover. they memorize the tar by heart from cover to cover. And they are almost everywhere in the world. And 50% of them, at least in the subcontinent of India and Pakistan. And Afghanistan. Let's leave off there. And I think that this opens up, if you're willing to come back
God willing, where we can talk about more about the Quran, and this was just how it was compiled. But you know, many of the different solutions to a lot of the problems we're having here, it being a guidance for the man absolutely describing who our Creator is, who he is, and the wonderful words of Paradise, and all the beautiful things that of a person lives how the creator wants him to live, all the delights and the beautiful things about seeing their Lord in Paradise and all these wonderful things that we can talk about scientific miracles literature does go on and show a lot. Next episode part three. Absolutely. Okay. And that's it. We're here with Dr. Mundo. He agreed. So if he agreed,
I'm sure now he's gonna find a time you could find a time and come back here here at the deen show. Again, Dr. Manu, he has his own section of the deen show comm check it out to see one cards One, two, this one if you didn't see all of it, and then inshallah God willing, we're going to continue on talking about the verbatim Word of God the Quran. See you next time. Salaam Alaikum.
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