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Shalom, shalom. You mentioned dark room very quite a few times. When did you study? Or when did you enroll into the room very well, what? How did the transition happen? Like, why did you? Firstly, why did you choose the bloomberry? At that age? And when did that transition happen? So you add a child at childhood, we understand you were studying with your father, locally at the mission that he had established here. And then you moved over to Darla bloomberry for further education. When did that happen? Then? Why this seminary?
That's a good question. Why was seminary and the answer to that is that of course it's you don't make a decision yourself. So it's your parents. Like most students, will you study if you're a young child, or a teenager as well? Then your parents they made the decision for you? So of course my parents my father made the decision. My elder two brothers they both had studied in Durham very my older brother. He graduated from Duluth and our room very we saved our room very For those viewers. It's a very it's a place it's an area near Manchester so it's in the Greater Manchester area north north of UK northern part of UK very is a small town next to it. It's actually it's not even in very
dollar Allume this Islamic cemetery madrasa it's not even in very it's next to Barry. It's actually
there's another real small town called rams bottom, and it's not even in ROSAT and rosewater, it is just outside rounds bottom, but it's called a whole, like whole hog hokum areas just like you can see around the bottom. Many people have been to doubt or alone in very, so my elder brother graduated from there in 1984. And then my second brother graduated from there in 1990. So I'm the founder of the very *hole Hadith Maulana Muhammad Musa Matata, Rahim Allah may Allah have mercy on him
who established it and who was a student of Shepherd Hadith Mona Zachary Rahim Allah. So upon the instructions of Shepherd Hadith Madonna has a career Rahimullah established it I think towards the end of 1970s.
And shovel Hadith modern as a career rational Allah visited the UK twice.
So
my father was closely connected to Shehu Sutala Rahim Allah.
And, therefore he sent his or his sons, their first son, their second son there as well. And as part of the, you know, the 30 of the order, the third son had to go there as well. So I'm in there in which I did. Yeah. And so
I was, you know, like I said, initial studies, I completed heavens at the age of nine.
And then, age of 10, I was still at home, memorize, revising my Quran, etc, learning a bit of what to do, but basic Islamic Studies, etc, age 11. And then at the age of 12, now one of the things was my father didn't want me to go to a secondary school, because of whenever used to have Islamic schools. So these schools, they will mixed boys and girls, now I'm about to become a teenager. It's an non Islamic school, where they will teach etc. So my father just didn't want that to happen. So that was one of the reasons that as soon as I finished my primary school we used to have in those days, we used to have primary,
first year, second year, third year, fourth year, fifth year, and then you go into secondary, first years, first year, secondary, second year, third year, fourth year. Now it's become year one, year two, something like that. So when you go into secondary, what year is that? That's your seven, year seven. So your six you finish primary memory, and then you move on to your CCS. So when I was moving on to your seven, that's when I went to Darren Berry, they have their own school there as well. But the issue was that they didn't have your seven day. They only started from your eight or nine, it was actually a nine. And they wouldn't they were not taking children as young as me. They had to be
13 or something like that. I was like 11 ish 11 Going on to being tough. But there was they made a special exception for me because my father was connected and my elder brother was there as well. So my elder brother will look after me. So under that premise.
They took me in and plus I had completed the Quran at that time it was unheard of that child was 1011 has memorized the Quran. So because I had memorized the Quran as well as well number two My brother was there as well. And number three, my father had connections with shuffle Hadith modernism, Mama so they accepted me I did a bit of further Did you read etc and revision of the Quran and then I went into the first year of alchemy of course, there are looming various boarding madrasa
so
I stayed there and students used to stay there. We used to have a three official
Oh god holidays. So after first exams, second exams and then end of year end of year is Ramadan time you get the full Ramadan and a week before and after. So three official ones and then outside of that as well you can take an official weekends, where people close by students who are living close in Lancashire they would go home the ones well further, not as often but every four weeks, five weeks you can come home so I remember we used to come in a coach or a van all the students studying from here from Leicester have used to go in event
the same I still remember the M 62 and the M 66. After that and then the Ramsbottom sign comes and then you can see a tower behind a mountain there and that's a sign of dark and very for that for us at that time. That was like you know, the tower of Makkah and Medina and everything and like, you know, as you're growing up, like that's the sacred tower like you're looking at.
So anyway, I used to come I think at least three times a year to Leicester. But besides that once or twice in the year as well. I used to come home so I have been out of home since the age of 12 You know, I haven't stayed fully at home from age of 12 it's like now it's just coming and going I only stayed 11 years at home fully with the parents every single day 1112 I've been out of the house and since then I've been traveling and going and since
so now I'm very alone in Barry be you are why for those you can check it up on Google Maps next to Manchester which is a famous city in UK
so
I grew up there and I studied there as well but my as you can see my second decade of my life was there. So the childhood first hand is here. The second decade is there in the it's all heavily influenced by darlin berry from the year 11 Onwards to year 20
I revised the Quran there I did the alchemy there. I you know stayed there I became so familiar to the area like I said in which to have it's a very nice scenic area. Location is a very scenic area. There's a nice mountain I don't know if some of you have been there. The mountain is there.
Behind there's a tower we've climbed on the tower on the weekends we used to go to Ramsbottom go to the local fish and chips place
Steve sushi chips are still remember, they used to be a pizza place as well was to get so happy to order a pizza sometimes play football on the weekend. So we used to have the main grass area we used to have a big matches and then we have fiber side table tennis and everything grew up in that area. In terms of studies, I did the Alameda with the first year, second year, third year fourth year 56 I mean in the beginning because we do in school so you have to do two years you have to do one year in two years, because you're doing it part time. So the first year was done in two years because afternoon at school, you have to do all your GCSEs and things like that.
So I did the six years of it me are there 100 Allah Allah my I would like to thank all the teachers who
I studied by I'm in the soul many of them I kind of mentioned all the names I remember them of course but it is a massive list of teachers who I studied by in the initial years I remember there were there was somebody called Nolan Ibrahim.
I studied a bit of salt by him and
Olin Abdullah and just so many teachers are famous scholar of the education more than asserting the right
half of the whole law I studied by him as well. He's in Leicester.
I studied the other side of him by him because he used to teach the he graduated from Darwin various and he continued to be a teacher there and then he left after that
many teachers cloudy Mohammed Ismail Rahim Allah some of them have passed away he was a dual teacher.
He's passed away there's no no murgee Rahim Allah He recently passed away. We studied he was known as the Imam of Mira. Like an expert in inheritance knowledge was studied by him. This chef father has more than a father to help he's the principal of the Lancaster girls not alone. His brother Sophie Mamata who's still a teacher darlin very heat. I still need Charlemagne and I thought about him is an amazing they call him savitar had because he's a very pious, righteous person. MashAllah amazing person very knowledgeable, very knowledgeable, studied possibly and he died in Hanafy filter by him as well as children binding authority mama to Howie Rahim Allah by him
there's so many other teachers that can't even mention them. But in the final year, we had teachers this chef Mowlana my beloved hola who is quite famous in speeches is quite eloquent and then a student of shuffled Hadith Milan as a shareholder
I belong we studied parts of Sudan nusseibeh him and handed me Allah preserve him and he's doing a lot of headman mashallah very popular. Sheikh Abdul Rahim Lambada, who speaks in English as well and quite famous in the UK. I studied Sahih Muslim by
he's also graduated from graduate of Danbury
I'm not just a Muslim and there was more karma to hurry and some other books I started by him
and then we had chef Hold on a Hashem happy the whole lot is bedridden is very old and frail and he's not well these days make to offer him but he's been like that for the past few years. He's he was a senior teacher, a student, and a disciple of Shovelhead his model as a career akmola We studied the salon of Imam Abu Dawood by him from the sixth box.
sunnah telemovie was studied by
Sheikh Mufti Shapira, with the Shabbir Ahmed lives in Blackman, a student of Chef chef Muhammad Yunus June 14 Rahim Allah very famous scholar, one of my teachers, and mashallah, he taught us on a DVD you know, a lot of depth a lot of detail. I benefited a lot from him from his balance his expertise his depth of field and his Hadith knowledge. He's He's an expert in both Hadith and he likes to keep a balance between the two and move side by side Hadith and so, you know, they benefited a lot from him. And also, so that's what I told me this morning about oats and unnecessary and Sunon IGNOU merger Shan Hadid Modena Usul Matala, Rahim hola todos Sunni reminder here to teach
say Muslim but for our year he swapped over which shabdrung him by the shoulder human bodies to teach sooner liberal merger so for that year, he said okay, Mr. merger, you take Sahih Muslim, because he used to teach Sahih Muslim the second highest book and say the Buhari was taught by the famous Sheikh will Hadith Molana Islam will help I say famous within the loom, very students and graduates and scholars, maybe not so for many people watching this. He was the shepherd Hadith meaning the person who taught to heal Buhari at the room very for good 16 years. He taught every year until our we were the final class. I graduated from there in 1996. We were the final class. He
was old scholar. He was in his I think, late 70s. Amazing, amazing scholar, pious scholar, very knowledgeable, very humble, extremely humble. You know, if somebody needs to pick up his shoes, he has to hit your hands don't take my shoes you know don't you know, he didn't like anyone to do anything for him. Just simple away from the limelight. In those days we always have all the social media and things like that YouTube anyway. But even in those days he used to just be very down to earth. He was a shoveled. Hadith, very knowledgeable Shepherd Hadith Mola, meaning that a teacher of Hadith. Chef Islam will help. Rahim Allah hota Allah
He passed away the year. Like I said, we completed the whole Sahil Buhari by him. And and Hamdulillah I had the honor of reading the wholesale Buhari like students and others I know to read the Ebola. But what that means in for those who are not familiar is that one of the students reads, because, you know, when he read Hadith, there's a few ways of reading in the olden times as well. One is the teacher reading and the student listening. That's the highest level
which is, you know, you have different levels. Seema says, you hear the teacher, what is there are so the student reads the Hadith and that the teacher already has the Hadith in those days because then you know, it used to be books used to be the teachers that used to give you a copy of his but now we have a book so we can apply this to like everyone has to hear Buhari, the teachers reciting that's the highest one. Second is the student is reading. And the third is there an ally who is a schmuck somebody else's, like you're in a class, one student is reading and the rest are listening. So that's the third level. So in all the six books we used to have different students reading, etc.
In the final year, I just made sure I just read only I started reading on the first day and nobody in my class asked, you know, like, you know, it's okay, it's always read sometimes 30 or 40 pages. So from the beginning till end, I did the whole recitation Cara of Sahil Buhari by him. And he, we studied Sahara Buhari. I remember we went to meet him after our year had finished and we gave our exams. We went to his house used to live in Bolton, which is a town in UK in northern part of UK, and he said make dua for me as a very ill this day nowadays. And then he went for Amara, and in Ramadan on the 27th night in Medina, I believe we've gone with you now but if I remember correctly,
was in Medina was offering tahajjud Salah he was in sujood and he passed away.
She called her knees more than Islam and ALLAH and he passed away and then after that, you know, she could have been someone on the sun without our star
Teaching the following year cycle Mohammed since 1997 onwards so handler he was a unique teacher of ours and many students who have graduated from Durham very studied saleable highly by him. So these were the teachers I mean,
there's so many others
like I said, we used to have
exams, three yearly, three exams, the annual yearly one but there were two other exams as well. We used to have notebooks we used to you know, write I think I have some here as well you know, just some books as well that from those days I can if I can just show the viewers you know, just these are just some some of the like old books.
These two these were handbooks would you call them exercise exercise books. Yeah. This is actually look we're talking about multi Shapira Hamid I have 10 of these. So he taught us soon and Timothy, this it says here German Tirmidhi mufti, Shabbir Ahmed is a teacher exercise book eight. I know I've got 10 and this was like handwritten, January Timothy the teacher's name I have written my name here Abdullah Mohammed bin Adam exercise book number eight and then this bubble merger epi taka Salah chapter leaving prayer Benin in the prayer when Abdul COVID Taco Salah
is happy about the Shafia Novatek field is half in order to help in Arabic. He used to of course let you know what to do. But it's easier to write in Arabic because it's shorter you just like in just the end parlor corner and you know just it's girl adorable who is so powerful to have. You know, I've got 10 of these and then I've this look normally though this is in the
second year checkbook, it's just you know, some translations in order to use to study or in order to better English was unheard of. I think I started a bit of teaching in English. When when we started in a mother as a here. This is also Bible Malla you've said some and it's like translations. I've got sort of I've got narrow I've got first year second year all sorts. These were like some kind of accent. I don't know this is Jeanette a interfere with Tisha Rama tortoise. There was another teacher called move to Brahim Raja. He is still handling habenula. He lives in Blackburn, he taught us as well. He was one of my teachers.
So there's quite a I've got all of these exercise books. And then there's a couple of files there as well. But we don't need to look at it. Now the question papers have kept all my answer papers as well. From year one till the final year, three exams, we still have our 50. So the Subak neural either Dhulikhel, Arabiya, got all of that. And, you know, my issue was that in the beginning.
She was
my issue was in the beginning, that I never because I was young.
So I wasn't quite serious. I didn't study I wasn't serious. It was my father just sent to me. And I had to go and study.
So I wasn't studying properly, I used to play around and mess around. And you know, I wasn't serious. And I actually think that, at that age, it's been too early.
It's too early to send children at that age, at what age I mean, like when I went as age of 12 1314.
My initial teenagers 1314, I'm doing me a class, I'm studying neural bonds to the pursuit of the Hanafi madhhab. And I'm studying Arabic language and grammar and sort of a narrow and syntax and all of these things. So
at that age, I was in serious I used to be more interested in football and in playing football and following football, I used to have a small radio I used to try to hide in my pocket and try to listen to the scores of what was winning Liverpool and Liverpool have the best team then and probably is still around and
they still win everything. And I still like we still have the Motorola which is revision time. I used to take a small radio there and I tried to listen what the scores are and more interested in the World Cup and all those kinds of things. So my marks like if I if I look at his papers, he used to be out of 50 I used to get like 30 Sometimes 2025 I used to be average handle. I never, I didn't feel I think maybe once but I never like feeling any
lesser without putting in any effort. But then, as you grow, you become more mature. And this is why I've seen the you know those students who studied when you when they are mature, they study better. That's why I've seen that, you know, when I've gone to places like Syria to study which we'll talk about later. I've seen students who've studied at school, college university, they've done their degree and things like that. And
you know, after that they've come to study. They're 2122
Some of them are reverse convert to Islam, and they mature.
And they've come to study. So they because they're coming on their own accord. They're coming on their own accord their own interest. They're very serious. And I will talk about that later. But because it was like that for me, and I was just, you know, sent, so I wasn't that serious. But then towards the end, when I became 1718, I became more serious. And that's where I studied properly. In my last two, three years, most exams, I actually came first or second. I remember the final years when he was like, all three exams either first or second, second to last year, but only the last two, three years. But the initial years I hadn't studied properly. So these were the, you know, 667
years of Alinea, because we did the first year half and seven years and then actually, I also want to mention this that I also did one year Iftar
which is the tassels in fatwa course, which is the what we call the Mufti course. So when I finished the Mufti should be referred to as my teacher. He said to me, Look, why don't you stay over and you know, practice writing fatwa. So I stayed one extra year, there was another two students with me, we had a class of three or three people, one year extra, because in our bloomberry, they did have some Iftar classes many many years back, but for many years, they didn't have it. So he suggested to me, Look, it would be good for you if you stayed. So
I, you know, stayed over for one more year.
And I studied shareholders remotely which is a book and practicing training fatwa. And I have some of those Fatah from that time as well, which we can see inshallah
which I wrote
in those days, so I stayed one more year. And, you know, Hamdulillah, that was a time at Darden, very darlin very taught a lot of things towards you know, it was a growing up period, it was the second decade of my life.
There was a, I can't finish mentioning Darren berry without the mention of somebody called Cara Yaqoob, who was a supervisor, you know, people have been
hamdulillah they've they've, they've had some, I wouldn't say beatings, but people have had his wrath
a lot. And I was also one of those people. So he used to be the supervisor there. So yeah, don't bury Hamdulillah.
Sasha, how many of our viewers from martial law many of the teachers that you've studied, I think one name probably stands out a lot to them. That's hazard share on the use of Mattila Sahib. What was your relationship? Like with him if you can share some words about how he influenced you while she was studying? What were what are some of the things that stood out for you once you were there as a student?
Chef would Hadith chef Madonna, you Mohammed Yusuf Medina, Rahim. Hello Tyler.
Many people know of him. He was the founder of the dollar loom in Bury,
a great student lover of Chevron Hadith, Madonna's attorney Rahim Allah and a very close student of Shepherd Hadith, Mala. Mala who was sent by Shona Hadith chefs the courier sent him to the UK. And he established our own very, and many of like many UK graduates or his students, graduates of Darwin, very great scholars, popular scholars of UK, they're all looked up to him. And they've all talked about him. I don't have talked too much.
There's a lot of talks and lectures and material available in his articles about him. He, you know, passed away
just two or three years ago, 2018, I think passed away when he was in Canada in Toronto and hamdulillah went to his grave. So like I said that I knew him from childhood, he used to come to my house as well. And we all grew up he was known as hazard. Like, that's it, there was only 100 mean it's a term used for reverence and for respect. There was only one hazard in the world for us. We grew up just looking up and he had our ultimate respect was for him our love for Him. Not just my family, the siblings but people in my
sort of age group and from my time students were studying during various but everybody had a lot of all over us.
And I mean when you were young, you just think that that said he is the superb monsoon for example, of course we know monsoon means infallible nobody's gonna assume infallible except Allah and His Messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, but when you're young, it's fine when you're young to think someone Muslim, you know, so it's fine, because young when you're young, if you're made to believe certain things, it's fine. But when you grow up, then you become intelligent, but at that time is for you to be able to do things but 100 ie, he was very pious and amazing person in terms of piety is a bad is sincerity. History. guado is humility, and also his knowledge. He was a very
knowledgeable person. A lot of people think that he's just a pious person.
But no, he was very knowledgeable, very well read, He's author of books as well, on a very high level of knowledge as well. Maybe not as, you know, prolific writer, as some of the other, you know, very prolific prolific writers, but he's still nevertheless authored some books and will do, some of them have been translated into English Sheikh Mohammed Yusuf matara. Now, very close to my family, my father is very close to him, my elder brother is actually was very close to him. And actually, he traveled with him on this trip to Canada, when he passed away. And he actually my elder brother just recently released a book in order to call Jamal, the use of the beauty of use of where you gathered,
you know, some of his
letters and things like that. And he also gathered his letters before as well. So he's, uh, he was very close to him, My other brother was close to him. And so people, my family have always been very close to her. I, myself, probably I wasn't as close to him as, as my other family members. And maybe as I ought to like to have. Maybe that's my deficiency, I didn't stay that much in contact with him after I graduated, etc. As my teacher, of course, we started sooner, even a merger with him. Also some portions of the translation of the Quran with him and also one or two other books. But now and then I used to, you know, write to him or speak to him, but not as frequently, you know, as my other
siblings, or many other graduates of darlin very, who were very, very close to him. I wasn't as close as I was in the initial years. But then I became because I went to study different places, and I got busy with a lot of different things. So, of course, you know, I had ultimate admiration and love and respect for him. But I didn't have a very personal connection.
Surely, you mentioned that you then traveled to other places to study. So where did your journey of seeking or and then take you after Donald bloomberry?
Yeah. So after the Allenbury, like I mentioned that I finished at the age of around 20. So that's the second decade gone now, into the third decade, and this was when you had completed your data source fulfill. If
it was cooling down and bury the Iftar course.
It's just one year another course can be two years, it could be three years, it could be four years. Really, there's no ending to that cause to be honest.
It's really it's a lifelong thing. It's not really something you can just complete study. So some places they just say it's one year. So in Durham very it was just like one year
there was only three people in our class. And we studied
shadow the Rosman mufti, which is written by Imam Ibn of the Hanafi madhhab by Mufti Shapira, and there was one or two other books as well. We studied Alicia Coronavirus, Pasha, Ambassador and we did another book as well. And we did you know, practicing of fatwa writing, so that was one year.
You could say I completed that course that if tacos, but I felt after that,
that
I didn't actually have the intention to do that. Because doing an Iftar course and then taking a career in fatwa and being a Mufti like, I don't use that time to title for myself, but in the eyes of people. It's a very difficult role and a very difficult job, then you have to be prepared for that for the long term. People will be quite asking you questions 11 o'clock at night and 12 o'clock at night and this if you're prepared to have sleepless nights, staying awake till 2am and 3am. Then the fatwa if the movie is your, basically, your career, but if you are not prepared for that, then that's not your career, then you need to do something else. So I wasn't really I didn't make that
conscious dishes decision at that time actually move the Shapira, what was my teacher? He kind of put me into it. He said, Just stay over because you know, you're studying well, so if you carry on, then it'll be good.
So I just did that. And I didn't have really have an intention of doing that. But when I did that, one year, the hustlers Phil Gilkey well fatwa, if the Mufti course, whatever you want to call it,
came back to Leicester and people already started calling me Mufti.
I said, You know what, like, this is one year is not enough. I need to actually go and study somewhere
more.
So
I was thinking, because after I graduated, without going into too much details, I had a one year break where I actually, you know, went to Canada and I taught a bit there and I went to Portugal in a month or so I talked a bit here and there. But I was thinking where to go and study and do a lot of different things. You know, at that time, I was thinking should I go and study a lot of students graduates from Darwin Barry used to go and study in Algeria to Islamia in Medina, Medina Manawa Islamic University of Medina.
Even though there is a difference of methodology and understanding, especially at that time,
because these data are in various students and teachers and graduates, they follow the Hanafi madhhab. And they follow a Shalimar 3d school and they they affiliate themselves to dissolve and Sufism, etc. Whereas down there, that could be a bit harsh or gainst
following mud hubs and tech lead and dissolve, etc, even though I think a lot of these times, a lot of the times it actually misunderstandings, and it's just blown out of proportion on things but, but still needs to go there. And I think these two go, they're not really for the study study. But I think one of the main reasons was staying in Medina, that was maybe 80% of the reason why a number to maybe get some formal accreditation, got an MA or something. So those are the two reasons they just wanted some paperwork. They weren't really really wanting to study by the great shoe. So some one or two went to as hot as well.
That was more similar in line and understanding. But you wouldn't get the Medina, the city of the message syllabus that I'm there. So, somebody that so even me when I was there, I was thinking that you know, university or as her or some for some properties, there were there was some sort of suggestions that I should go to India to study.
Some of them went to Salem pool which is like you can say, the
like not the umbrella but the mother institution of Dar almondbury Because she used to Matala graduated from
the McGraw Hill room madrasa in Sauron pool.
Where she could Hadith modern as a career, moolah used to teach. So one or two of the room very teachers had gone and studied the like Shahab renumbered, they should be shown below, all of them had considerable earlier times. And that's a connection. So there was that kind of idea that also came about, I was just one year was just thinking what to do, what not to do, etc, etc.
And then I just read this, this is something I made my own decision.
So this was not something that my parents or my father had told me
that the decision was basically that I want to go and study in Karachi, Durham, Karachi, but not really darn Karachi. I just wanted to go and study by Chef Mufti Muhammad Taqi with money after the whole lot. And the reason was that from childhood days, like I said, from a young age, when I grew up in my house, what did I see books. I used to see books off the top with money having a whole lot. I used to see my own father, reading the books of the doctor with money before giving his modality centers like even in Ramadan, Attica used to take Cuba Memorial and surely Tommy's books, and he's to have to talk with money. It's like Hotwired.
And then, the reason this is the reason why I chose to talk with Matthew, my first decade the childhood first 10 years, I saw my father connected to books of inflatable with money.
My second decade in Darwin very as well. I saw my teachers talking about him in class, like shuddering the mother, half of the hula is teaching Sahih Muslim is quoting, different older commentaries of Sahih Muslim, and then he's saying, shacked up with money says in his documentary for tomorrow, we used to study sunnah Jeremy telemovie by Mufti Shapira hammered every student had that ceremony. And with Tisha bill also sometimes is to use that.
So, books you just saw books on money everywhere with the duck with money, there's motocross money that everybody so then this is someone I got interested in I started reading his books I remember I saw one of his earlier purse books I read was, we can all do. So you do not worry about the Allahu Anhu
and historical truths, which was like an an answer response given to a book written by Maulana Abul ala Maududi helluva Molokhia I read that book and I was like, gobsmacked, this is amazing, unique book I started reading more and more of his books and I just fell in love with him as a person.
So then I made this decision. So my father I want to go and study in Dar Salam Karachi in Pakistan. And I want to go and study by Che Mufti Muhammad Ali with money. And, and also because I wanted to do if tamo.
So I remember that one of the times shafted up with money. He was visiting the UK, he actually came to the UK and he was in Blackburn in one of my teachers house. So I actually met him there and he used to know if my father not know him. Well, well, but remember, as I said, in 1987, he came, so he knows my father as an old scholar, and is always used to give my father salaam through me. He knows my father as one of the eldest scholars of the UK, he's always known that. So I mentioned that his son
I want to study and I graduated from Barry and so he said Shall Okay, come after Ramadan. And, you know, mentioned that I had told you this and come and we'll see. And so then after Ramadan, I went there. I know I wrote to him after that, and he replied back. And then he said, bring this letter with you and you can come after Ramadan. So I went after Ramadan. And then when I went there, I went to his office and he enrolled me. He told the person in charge that this person, you know, has come from the UK is dead. He's completed his personal army, and he wants to go to the hospital. He will fatwa lifted down there. So enroll him. So I got enrolled there and I studied down there in Karachi.
Now in Durham, Karachi, because I didn't do the decennial army
idemia class
with the doctor with money heavy the whole load is to teach Sunon German as soon as the mama Tirmidhi so I sought special permission from him, that I can't just attend to your German or tell me the lesson. So he granted me that permission.
The Sahil Bihari used to be taught by a teacher called Shahid, Hadith monana, Saba and Muhammad Rahim Allah who was actually a teacher of mine his papers to intuit in 2001.
And there were other teachers.
But I only enroll I only attended
the German artillery the or the sunan of Tirmidhi lessons conducted by photographers money. So my day is to start in the morning after breakfast. Now we're in Karachi is a massive Institute and I don't have the time to talk about it. But I've written a book on this and inshallah we'll show you the book later as well. Two weeks in Pakistan, I wrote with all the pictures and everything you know,
which I went to recently I visited two years ago.
But when I was studying there,
my days to start with attending one, one and a half hours soon and through the lessons and then I used to go to the Data lifter,
where students are there year one or year two, they have a two year course and they have a third year where you have to write
like an article you have to write a makalah
so it's full three years, some people do the two years and do the Bacala going back home some many stayed there for three years. I didn't do three years. I didn't do the McCollough and stay there I didn't mention to the two years. So
I used to go to the rooftop. We used to have a lesson with have to talk with money and honestly
shaped a lot of my mind my understanding and that was like because now I am in my early 20s have become more mature. This is a third decade of my life.
His classes we used to study also if you are double. He has a book himself. We have it here. It's just somewhere he I think he actually all the books. This is his book.
This one was will lift our Addabbo
at that time this wasn't published it was actually just notes which students used to share photocopy. It was in notes format. But then later this almost 70 years ago he got published his book, The principles of fatwa and the etiquettes of patois are sold if you are Mohammed
so we used to have a lesson so so tender sunnah Timothy one and a comeback Doublelift and then about 1030 to 1130 go with a star students there's 12 of us in his we used to go to his office and he used to teach us that and he also then he taught us another book but what if you could if okay Mr. Zara and did practical training of fatwa
as well in the dark if to have dark courage
so
that in Durham Karachi is kind of I mean I can't
you know really do service to my time there and especially move to talk with mining Much has been said about him and return and there's no time for it right now. I've actually got another whole YouTube video on the life and the works of shaking photography with money happy that hola two and a half hours I think we believe we we recorded it's on it's on YouTube, inshallah we can put that in the links, where I've talked about his life. But those lessons where you learn from his wisdom, His understanding his balance, like the Harlem Karachi teachers, you want absolute Balance.
Balance in the way you talk, you write you lecture, you give verdicts you deal with issues, and that's what you will see graduates of Northern Karachi, they're very balanced. They're neither to the right they don't become liberal, where they completely
give up their
Basic principles and just because wanting to be politically correct, wanting to fit in with the modern times
do away with traditional understanding of Islam, but at the same time, that are very extreme and harsh.
It's a very balanced way and it's very difficult to even explain that it's you have to be there you have to understand it, you have to embrace it. Once you embrace it, you get that understanding I remember in the fatwa if tazworks is just so precocious, there was once
in the data lifter, there are many teachers, okay, so for example, with the trouble with money You never used to be in the director. He used to have his own office but the system worked and there were senior movies in the in the director.
Some of them were like, Mufti Muhammad Ashraf of money, he just passed away last year, Rahim Allah Tada and I did a small video on him as well. He was actually the nephew enough to talk with money but a senior Mufti again and amazing person of amazing balance. With the other officer curry there was mostly there's Mufti of Dolman now these are still the still alive, happy the home Allah Allah. There was another move to call with the Asada lira ban. He's passed away now.
Mufti Mohammed that a fear of man who just passed away two three weeks ago, the principal of Durham Karachi, he knows to be involved as well his duties he's to teach Sahih Muslim
sit up to Simone is to teach gender identity. So here Buhari was by Shahid, Hadith Modan, Hassan Mahmud, I never studied officially by most of you with money because I didn't do the finance guy there. But in the dark Lifta the whole way of writing fatwa the balance the moderation understanding, I remember once there was an very sensitive issue, very sensitive issue
relating to a
scholar.
So when the this was the question came to, and it was sent to a lot of mothers, as in India, Pakistan, and everyone gave to us when it came to that in Karachi, all the 50s including the Mohammed Rafi and moved to Turkey with money, they deliberated, sat down for five days.
And then finally, when they finished them consultation and mature of how to write the answer response, then the response task was given the writing task was given to multiply the money. He wrote it and read it out. And everybody's saying, suggesting and you know, changing Okay, change this word with this one. I remember there was one word they were replacing, and we were students we had, we were given the opportunity to sit in the background and just observe.
There was one word in order to
move the Earth man money said, Okay, I think this word should be replaced by this word. And we students are looking at each other thinking like, what's the difference? In the older language? They both Exactly, they mean the same thing? He's saying, No, that word just gives that 2% a bit extra heaviness, which this one doesn't give and make me know we need to use a slightly lighter word, even though it's like five because it's it means the same thing, but in the mind of the people, it gives a 5% slightly lighter
reflection, so it has to be replaced. And then everyone so even every word that deliberate do they say It's haram? Is it sinful? Is it not permissible? We were like, told don't use the word haram. Right? It is not permissible. It is not appropriate or not Permissible or impermissible in order to not Gize sometimes we were not allowed right, not Gize we were supposed to write not tourist tourists. Now here. It's not correct to do this. Or each turn up the Rudy, it's necessary to stay away from it just right now, but what came from doubt and Karachi was written by a grandson off the top of mine, he's actually doing his the hustles now, he's a good friend of mine, Abdullah of money.
So he was writing about YouTube
advert earning money through YouTube,
advertisements, monetizing. And the photo was that it's not allowed. Because these advertising these
advertisements that come up here,
much of it is unlawful content. And if that's happening, and you're making money out of it, then that man is not permissible. But they still they didn't say haram.
The photo was written by the person who wrote was written that because we don't have control over
the content in the advertiser elements, therefore, it is each 10 Absolutely, which is necessary to refrain from earning money through YouTube
channels. So this is one thing that was taught to balance you know, being very careful, very being very precocious.
And I have some other Fatah
as well, I mean, you know, we have a file here. I've kept all my photos that I've been writing since those days. I think those are the Doublelift of these ones here I think you just check these ones maybe that one at the bottom to have a folder here
this is a folder
so I you know, I started writing when Darren berry you know, the first one year left I did. So I have those ones as well. This was my first one I ever wrote for 20 Number one
Afghani Islamic Center in New York. My first photo was sent to us online Islamic center knew the question came to darling and very it was like a masjid they had ID
in the front of the masjid Allah's name in Arabic written like this etc is it allowed?
Hundreds
in regards to your question, it is not permissible to write or decorate in the mosque with worth money donated money, one can only use donated money for necessary purposes, buildings rooms will do place etc.
and written by Muhammad diviner them students have the Lifta Darwin very much 1996 This stamp of Darwin very old job so he answer is correct. Signed by Mufti Shapira.
This was my first one. And then all the ones I wrote him down very they're all here these old photocopies number two number three, none of them were in English someone who do a lot of the one English and then these are the ones from Tallinn Karachi, see the paper is photocopy these are all now studying in Dublin Karachi I had
like this one for example.
I like this one because this was written. This question came from somebody from Dewsbury since 1998,
dancing kudu and Arabic the fatwa
I've written here the end
cateva who Mohammed bin Adam, but upon me, written by Mohammed and Adam from Britain. Now lift up there in Karachi 10 for 1490 and then you have signs of Joe upside answers correct? Muhammad Taqi with money
a job so he Mahmoud Ashraf do you have so he Abdullah Abdullah This is Mufti Abdul Rosa Kareem of the abdomen I have worked in Mohamed and a fear of money levees to sign because he was really connected with our if the unless it's a critical situation. But once he told me and I've written about this as well recently and I said that he told me once that you know you're in our directory studying how you study is going he's too often ask me because it's no my father he knows I've come from the UK as an ambulance going well he said show me one or two if it was I can also see see it so two or three just football just for Baraka purposes he told me to bring them and he signed them say
he told me himself they bring up at will sign them for you. So at least had his sign on them.
So I've got Mohammed Rafi with money somewhere Mohammed W with money on fuel as well. Now, the students the way I will say that is money never used to sign as well. The way the system used to work there was that in the Doublelift Are you the two senior of this was Mufti Muhammad Ashraf with money and with the other officer and those were the mains signatories, you know the ones who sign your fatwa. But if something is critical, or non critical or something is like more serious, like a higher level issue, and they are not also absolutely happy and content with answer, they need further further approval than they would send it to me with money. So the students will use to try
to get those really difficult type of questions so that they get the opportunity to have the answer patois
answered by
50 w with many happy the Hola. So here this was a Indonesian Karachi Alhamdulillah it was it was a good time to study in Karachi. And
also, you know, I think when I studied in Karachi in Pakistan,
I used to also use to go and visit other scholars.
And this I did later on as well, when I studied in Syria.
So, in Karachi, when we had the weekend, I used to want to go and see all the different types of squatters. So there was somebody called Hakeem Cher Molana Hakim Mohammed Dr. Rahim humba. A lot of his books is a very famous Sufi scholar to solve this gear. He used to come to the UK he was also very close to my father used to come to my father's house when I was young. My elder brother when my elder brother went to Pakistan and studied there as well but in another place, was there for a few months. So he used to go there quite often became very close to him. He has a lot of students and disciples across them.
The world. He used to have a motorcycle shuffle Modares and Hancock like Zarya,
Chanukah, him daddy Shafia. So I used to go there every week, I became very close to him. He's to make sure he told me said make sure every weekend we can. It's Thursday Friday. Juma, you have to pray here. So I used to go sometimes Thursday night sometimes the Friday morning and before his before Jim I used to give him like an hour modulus talk. So he's there are various people reading the sheet and not which and most of the time where his own words. So I used to read because he heard me here in the UK. So when I went there is to introduce me. So this is my, you know, from UK, studying in Ireland, very sorry, and Donald Karachi.
And he's come here and I've made sure I've told him every week he has to come. So every week I used to recite a sheet and, and you know, all do his poetry. I remember once, I was reciting a lot, and there's a sister section as well. So this is from the sister section, one of the sisters center notes, that is the student has come from here. I would like to marry him. So he actually said it in the middle. It's it said this, how Latina Shayateen is women are Shayateen she was studying in a mattress as well. Listening to because I'm from the UK, really not etc. So then he said From now on whenever he reads and history like my voice, he used to say escape was my job.
He's got he's got magic in his voice and he says he's doing jujitsu and his women. So from now on, whenever he read resize not speaker mic system off for the sisters. And then I was banned from what they were banned from listening to me.
But yeah, handled I used to go there every week. And then after his Juma
it was very popular people wanted to meet him and people wanted to talk to him. But Hamdulillah I got the opportunity to be staying to stay in his company.
He used to say, you have to eat with me.
I remember the one of the weekends. I just went and had food lunch with some of the UK students. So he sent his to have hired him. Called me recibe I told him go look for him. I said sure he's calling you so I went he said Where were you? Why did wanting to come to eat? He told me they should eat with me. As opposed to Nice. And convenience. I just thought I've got his friends said no, no. Next week, make sure I don't have to call you again every Friday without fail after Jamar
hockey Modena, Arthur Rahim Allah, his main close associate, Mirza, he's also passed away. And his son Hakeem after Cybersyn Hakeem monana, Mahara was now the principal
in the room, and me, just four of us and I used to eat with him. And then after that, when I used to leave, he used to make sure that it gives me an apple or a banana or something to take in the bus or in the taxi. So every week and I used to go with him and I used to see all his disciples and his Marines and students in a different atmosphere, very different to that in Karachi. He was more sort of oriented and a different flavor. It wasn't something that was my flavor flavor, to be honest, but I you know, at that time I was absorbing absorbing all of that a lot when he used to give me that
apples I after Juma
finish have the dinner with lunch with him. Three Four o'clock then I'm leaving because I came in the morning or I came the night before and slept there. says to say to his Hardiman, okay make sure to map or whatever. Make sure you put it in the when you go, going back to the room, Karachi, make sure on the way or ETR night
in the bag, fill some fruits for him. I didn't know he's to tell him that I'm actually not going to that in Karachi. I'm going to another show.
Close to his place, because he was in Hull Shaniqua in Karachi, there was another political nazimabad and now the monopod there was a big show called Mufti Rashid Ahmed Lujan, we
have the Rashida who was in his 80s he has like, unique he's actually a teacher of nifty W with money and multirotors money. They are he used, he actually taught in darling Karachi, even Sahil Buhari, then he went and established his own battle if the what is shut
and he opened the Han Kausalya and the leftist for students and a training place in a lot of the Taliban all of them they were all his students. He was like the head supreme Emir head of the all of our bodies and everything, but he was this is this is Fatah. axonal Fatah 10 volumes, what is because in here
he had some individual opinions about very, very Bhutan, like, in his 80s or late 70s. He could do karate kicks. He used to walk like 7879 Tall, very, very like hell.
of the at that time he used to come with two three bodyguards, like with bullet proofs with guns if you go to his place this you get a scanner and scan and everything because there were assassination attempts on him. Now many scholars have in Pakistan have gods but that time he was unheard of.
And even when he used to come only people with bodyguards with guns have a salad around him
with the Rashid Ahmed Ludia and
so he used to have on Friday night, especially Mejlis between Assad and Maghrib is law here to solve Mejlis and after maghrib 10 minutes for all Allah ma who have come to just meet him, just meet him talk to him if you want 1015 minutes. So I just finished there at three four o'clock and take a bus or a taxi and get there for us
and sometimes I used to get there before so so his student was moved to drive with him Rahim is actually really famous right now he's the one who is in charge of the great German auto Rashid in the in Karachi geometer. She does like a very popular modern type of mantra. He is the student and a very geometer machine is on the name of chakra sheet metal Jeremy's teacher's name.
So I used to go have no recourse I made friends with him. And I told him I said look, if I can, can you just let me inside to go and say to them and that's ice to attend his much less.
A different flavor.
A very
different very different for you could say a very, you know, fatwa extreme type of flavor, but I've also absorbed that as well. And then on Thursday night, sometimes I used to go to Mala Rashid ammonia and I used to Lydian v.
So I used to go to all these different places. Binoy Tyler was on madrasahs sometimes I used to pass by there go there as well and just see what's going on there. The only flavor I didn't take too much off was a term leak.
I just didn't want to I don't know I knew my student is as well. I just didn't feel like going to let and even I think once or twice I went on Thursday night Nice to have you know the HDMI I noticed him on Thursday night they have this What did the call every Thursday night? Thursday night, much less this Thursday night gathering you know, Thursday nights for the Jamar complete have this and the Americas I think once or twice I went just saw but I just very I wasn't like inclined towards that from that time. So I haven't spent people have asked me Have you ever spent time in Jakarta Malik? I say no, it's still still a Muslim.
You know, I haven't spent time maybe I spent once three days in my whole entire life.
For some people that's very difficult to digest because even scholars because then they started off with that because their parents were in Jamaica League and that was the reason why they came into Dean and Ireland. But for me, it was all very different. My parents my journey didn't begin from Jamaica to bring my father hardly went public it's a very different way. So you can still be a good practicing Muslim you could still be called a Muslim, even though you never been inspired. But anyway, this is what I tried to do is try to get from different different places actually did want to go to other cities as well. Like Islamabad and Lahore a lot of my dad is there. But you know, I
wasn't able to able to go
though there were a couple of I remember once because I said Gemma to Islamia. Binaural turn is a very famous mattress. I remember once there were two great scholars who both passed away Dr. Abdul Razak Skander.
A major scholar and there was moved in his Alma Dean Shamsi, Senior Scholars, once I traveled with them on a plane from Karachi to somewhere in Punjab, because they were invited. And the person inviting them wanted to invite my father but then we can have others that I can't I don't travel to Pakistan, I couldn't travel. So he said, My son is standing there taking if you want. So he paid for my ticket and I went in a plane on my right side was Dr. Abdul Razak Skander. Like a senior scholar, he's passed away now. And within his dominant Shamsi, he's passed away as well. Both of them in my right and left, I did my both of them a day trip, one hour flight, and then the evening flight back.
So hamdulillah these quarters in Pakistan, you know, I visited them and try to stay in the company
while staying in Pakistan, alongside that amazing daughter from Karachi and amazing understanding and the balance and the teachings of sharing of data with money. So, I'd like to ask you, you know, you mentioned that mazzitelli hatherleigh will refer to you as Mullah Mata sir. And, you know, it seems as though you have some sense of informal relationship with him. I also came to know that he calls you he refers to you as his son. How did you build or how did you grow this relationship with him? How did this relationship come about?
Yes, these relationships that are created between two peoples teacher,
students, it has to be from one side, generally desire, you know, there has to be always one side, then the other side will reciprocate. Sometimes it's from both sides together, you know what's happening the husband wife relationship or two brothers or you know, siblings, but especially with a teacher student relationship, majority has to come first from the student. So like I said, when I was studying,
let before I went to study in the room, in Karachi, Pakistan.
He didn't know me, he knew my father. And like I said, when he came here, I mentioned to him that I want to come and study. So he knew kind of my father not too well, as well. When I was studying there, he knew that I'm the UK student, and his father is a scholar down there. He's to see me regularly. But that's it. He never got to know my name.
I mean, there are 1000s of students in Durham Karachi, at one given time, there's about 10 to 15,000 students. And he's had students from across the world and not just students, he's traveled his travel the world multiple times different countries, he can't remember people, especially now, recently, he says, in the last few years, I just don't remember anyone. Now it's difficult to start getting to know new people, because you reach that age. When you're a bit younger, you've the people, you know, you know.
So, anyway, at that time, when I was studying, the only thing he knew about me, I'm some UK guy.
He didn't know my name.
And then when I came back, I made a point of making sure number one have tried to write to him every now and then. But still, there has to be something that you to write about.
And number two, mainly was that whenever he came to the UK, every visit office, I made sure that I attended every program, I met him wherever he was, I used to go there, every place I actually once said to me, you are having another this was in 2000. I think 12 or 13. Because I remember when he came in 2012, he came to the UK came to my house as well. Last time, I gave him a dinner.
But every program London, if you're in London, you're in Scotland here today, like wherever he's there. I'm there at every place. And he's to call me you see you has another like you everywhere basically,
as in a joking way. So anyway, I he saw that I'm, you know, somebody that I really, really like him. And I really like his teachings and I have a lot of love and respect. And or, and I mean, he is one of the greatest callers, if not for me, the greatest caller in the world, and has been for the past many years.
So of course, he's done. He started getting to know my name.
Then around 2009 10 Yeah, he knew I studied in Rome, Karachi, but now he knows Mohammed bin Adam. He started knowing me by name of it. And then more and more. And then I traveled with him second more close to him, as you travel with someone you can more clothes, more clothes. And then he saw, you know, probably, you know, the love I showed towards him, and maybe you know some of the things that I was talking about him and he actually once I wrote an article about him, he was in the UK, but I wrote six prophetic quality traits of Shekhawati talking with money, have heard the whole lot. This was I think, 2015 16 around that time. So it became viral. And he went to his family, his grandson
or his son, and his son forwarded to his mother. And so his wife read it and his wife, Tom, next morning, he was leaving the UK and I went to the airport as well. So his wife told me, he said, Oh, I received your article. I was reading. I was showing it to two months later with money her husband. So these things, of course come to notice. So therefore 100 randomly reciprocated. And on a few occasions I'm done. I mean, I feel quite because I've you know, I feel very close to him. So you know, I feel quite honored and privileged that on three occasions, I've recorded them. But three occasions he said he called me his son, mula matassa. Was like, you know you as a joke, because, you
know, the law doctors are.
His father was Mufti Mohammad Shafi Rahim Allah Who should
so his father was called by his father's teacher, Imam and Asha, Kashmiri Mala waterside is to always call him Allah mortiser because it's very short. So as a joke, I visited him recently.
He said to me, you are mula Mazzara. But that was just in a joking way. But
on three occasions, I've got a WhatsApp message from him, which I've, you know, saved and I put on my laptop everywhere. Once he was in the UK again, five, six years ago. After he left we dropped him off at Birmingham Airport, and I just messaged him on WhatsApp audio. I said
From Below is a great you know, to stay in your company and you know, it's sad that you know you've left etc. So from the plane, he sent me a WhatsApp message after a couple of hours replying and below, it was great to see you as well and etc, etc. Allah gave it to us. And then at the end he said, I have love for you as I have loved for my children. So that was the ones
and then second time I traveled to Holland, the Netherlands, and have gone whole article on that. Three days in the Netherlands with sharing data with money, we've put it up on our data lifter website with pictures. So we were in at a university and Amsterdam, sorry, Rotterdam, Rotterdam University, there's a professor there a Turkish scholar. So he turned around, you're walking, we had entered and he turned around and looked at me this professor, and he said to me, are you his son? So before I responded, I was just about to say, no, he's my teacher, etc. So he took with me, he was listening. He just turned around and said, Now I'm even here Ruhi now and he's my spiritual son. So
I didn't have to respond. And the third is in writing. I have my Camila for him which is his commentary of Sahih Muslim I haven't done the the full portfolio is printed I think it's good to just see it. These are my three things that I really like
fourth folio sorry that the first which is the first of tequila. So
for Tamil hem and tequila for trouble him tequila vegtable him in his commentary on say Muslim,
which is an Arabic commentary very famous. So he Muslim. The fourth one, I think
this is his commentary of Sahih Muslim. Yeah, so, I asked him to write you know, some door and his sign autograph, not autograph, but really a sign.
So, I had my name already here. So he wrote it his first two he said Give it to me as a hadiya. So then I can say I gifted this to you. So I gave it to him his idea and he wrote over the hurdle mutual lead, I give this volume, this Book, Al Al Habib Fila. To Brother beloved Allah, Allah the mean actually he'll be the one because of his love Atterbury who evidently, the one I consider as a son to me, Bakun villagers are attached with this is just a column RV and mushy we'll call it India and the rest of the dua of each other and you know
of your beloved Arabiya Darian, rely on Allah Tala. You're gonna Jimmy anima fi hero Bahu etc. Omega Rika be min Rama TV, Aziz Mohammed tequila with money. 14 Shaban 1445 years ago. You This was in when he was in last energy. Okay. So yeah, so these are my three things I feel very, very, very happy about and I don't deserve it. Of course, you know, it's just his it's not done. And, you know, it's just good opinion. And, I mean,
he doesn't think I'm a great person in terms of time and knowledge and wisdom, etc. is just a love, like, because of reciprocating love.
So when was your last visit to Pakistan? Yeah, so I studied around 99, like I said, after the room very in the one year gap, and then I went, I studied there, and then I came back.
After that, I never visited Pakistan for many, many years. For 19 years. I don't really know why I didn't visit, maybe because he used to always come here every year, maybe two, three times a year. And for me, it was all love to talk with money. So I used to get to see him every year, not if not once, twice a year, three times a year, sometimes it's been in the UK three times.
So I never just the food just didn't come to my mind to go and visit.
But then when COVID crisis occurred, and when when we were in the COVID period.
He didn't come for over a year or something. This was in
December. His last journey to the UK with the doctor with money for the whole law was I traveled with them to Holland, like I mentioned. And then from Holland, we came back to the UK. He had a program here in Leicester as well in our city. That was January 2020.
And that was the last time he visited UK January to those 20. So next month will be three years.
After that, we had locked down around in March. He actually visited Madina Munawwara in February and then he didn't travel anywhere as much as locked down. So the whole year was locked down. So I thought it's been going to be a year and I don't know when he'll come back and I think I should still visit Karachi. So I visited Karachi after I studied into 1999 2000 and I went to in December 2020. So you're looking at like 19 ideas. After 19 years I went and I wrote a whole book
because he was I stayed there for about two weeks good 1415 days
not just Karachi. I also went to Milan and Lahore but I studied in visited Karachi and met all the teachers moved in with money was their handler got to see him spend time in his house with the mathematician with money was there and move to talk with money 100 I spent a lot of time with him and actually wrote a whole book on it. We've got a whole book. The book is there as well. Two weeks in Pakistan. This is the for the viewers who don't know what this book is free copy, you can order it from our website. There's a PDF online version as well. This is a whole travelogue of Pakistan. So Hamdulillah that was my visit and then
this year, so that was December 2020.
Then December 2021. I wanted to visit again last year, December but then I couldn't. So then in Ramadan this year, which was March April 2022. I've spent the last 10 days in Durham Karachi again and I'm hoping inshallah to go again as well. Like I want to make you like a yearly thing. Now, once a year I have to visit I mean, to talk with my new we don't know how long Allah keeps him from a long, long time. But you know, to be able to see him every year is a must. So