Reactring to Ammar Nakshwani Refutation on Imamah

Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. I'm joined by our frequent guests who does frequent the show here hasn't Ronnie how Islam Aleykum

views as you know, he's from the 1212 Shia dotnet team and he's he's helped us with discussion about she eyes and he's got his own episodes on this on this channel. Yeah, on your channel and more episodes gonna come on our own channel and you've got your own channel now which will be in the description channel and me myself and some others inshallah there's gonna be series of reputation against a number of individuals.

But before we talk about a number of individuals, let's talk about perhaps the most influential Shiite interlocutor, or the most in the polemic in the English language. He's an interlocutor, actually, because he's never actually engaged in any discussions with anyone, despite the fact that he did challenge

the Sunni Sunni world to challenge in fact, you might be reminded from this trailer.

Someone says, Well, how do I know you're not concealing your face? 24 seven, me? Yeah, I'm gonna conceal my face. You want to debate me? Come and debate me.

He wants to debate he wants to talk. He wants to be out. He wants to discuss his views. And he wants to discuss them openly. And this is exactly what we want. We invite you to come and talk to us and see whether we have the hack or not.

As you would have known this from this trailer, what do we see? Well, this was a few months ago, I think nine months. We're not sure one in a I want to keep it short and one of his lectures from from last year or something.

He very harshly. I think it was unpredicted unseen, very harshly attacked this harbor basically, not any more than speech that is the Wahhabi so called wahabis who are evil, so called Wahhabi. So selfies whatever. No, it's so nice. directly. The Sudanese in his harbor are the cause for terrorism Haldeman valido Casa de la anyway, then he said something on the line that

I can prove this. I challenge anybody to this anyway. And then who came forward? Baba, Adnan Rashid was not another she came forward made a clip said, Okay, let's debate. it's debatable all these issues. What happens? Of course, silence nothing. Another game. And he was criticized, but you explain it. Yeah. And he was criticized by his own community. There was a lot of tweets, and I don't know, like you open your mouth issues. Right. I'll be honest with you. I mean, what might not be known is about nine years ago, I actually met and actually myself, yeah, I didn't tell you this.

But I met him in a coffee shop and we had a good meeting. And you know, the reason why I decided you know, nine years ago, right, yeah. So maybe eight nine years ago and I discuss things with him in a coffee shop in Kilburn and you know, I found him to be honest with you to be respectful person I'll be completely honest with you yeah, in that particular instance and and the reason why I approached him is because he seemed to have a nuanced stance and the Sudanese were more inclined to him but to be honest with you is that sort of all of us done with that particular video when he made it and he was almost all Sudanese? Yeah, the oma basically Mohammed Salim is attacking us and calling us

implicitly terroristic in our nature all the people that we follow are the forefathers of terrorism. Anyway that channels is still open I don't think that other stuff another machine minds even if I missed out an extra one is ready you should you should man up as you said and I've seen it myself online many she has criticized and rightfully I do understand the shears here because

as we say, isn't it Why do you open your mouth big talk and then challenge the Sunni sack improve this I can I challenge anybody I debate anybody? If you do this at least and come forward, so anyway, this is why I mean this can be done in another debate. inshallah.

inshallah. Now, the thing is, the reason why we've made this video is because I personally believe he's made a video against me, but he hasn't mentioned my name, personally. But almost all of the comments and all the shares that have gotten contact with me have have said that this is directed at me and I agree with them, because I've looked at parts of the video, actually, the majority of the video, and I come to the conclusion, yeah, he's implying me in a lot of the references that he's making. Now what we're gonna do is we're gonna look at some of the main claims that he makes in refutation because this is an attempt to refute my points, right topic. Yeah. Mm hmm. All right. So

we're going to go over that leadership after the profit center, remember is like once again, how would you define quickly a member from a shape perspective or from a shared perspective, it can be very short. Mama is from the absolute Dean

As the deans from the fundamental from the foundations of the twelver, Mo might sect. Now some of them will come with some statements of some scholars of Allison that I don't know, rulership is important enough is important imama as in as a neutral term. Of course, this is in every society, rulership is important. But the importance the emphasis of Imam of the 12 imams after a prophet who have the qualities exactly the qualities of prophets, they're just called Imams, it is such a crucial important believe that based on that check sphere of the Sahaba, two feet of the oma and many, many, many other issues has been stated from the big scholars and are related to this topic.

So it is a crucial topic amongst the 12 infallible people that we must follow who have animal hide they have the as many they have they have they? I always correct my Sunni brothers who say, Oh, 12 imams who are like prophets, that's wrong, the superior and all the prophets, except for the Prophet Mohammed Salim formally, they say this formally. No, we always explain it when I explained to brothers I say yeah, but they say the scholars

sake of academic argument we want to go into here and then let's let's see some of the claims that he makes. So one of the things that he says because always a challenge that certainly is put forward is obviously we have to come to common ground there has to be some kind of muster or some kind of source that we will agree on. So the Quran is that for us, the Quran and we we add to that the sadhana which we agree with, in other words, the Hadith, which we agree with, right? Because obviously, it's no point me presenting my Hadees to you, which you don't agree with, and you presenting your heads to me, which I don't agree with. So let's go for the things we all agree with.

And that's the way we're going to resolve this issue. So he says, which parts of the memory Do you want to see? Let's look at take a look at the clip here of what he says. He says what which part of the memory you want to see from the Quran? Let's take a look. I said I have many people asking this question. I want you to show me Am Ahmed, show me a texturally show me it from the Koran.

Parts of Emma did you want to see from the Quran?

It's like a person saying to me, show me the whole understanding of prophethood in one eye of the Holy Koran, which part of prophets or do you want to understand the mission of prophets, the infallibility of profits, the knowledge of profits. So from this clip is clear that he's saying that you there is no single verse that describes for example, the Prophet says, mass will mean that they have isomorphic infallibility that they're they have

all of these different things, and therefore we shouldn't assume that we can find such a verse for a man is this a correct kind of argument?

Imam de la Soto Salama so yeah.

So he says that do we find such verses for the Prophet Soleil single verse he says that once in a while, first of all, Aslan, this is a this is a fallacy. This is a strawman or better is it is a straw man who made the argument who made the request. Yeah, bring me everything in one verse. who's who's and if somebody says this, you mean you said open he's jarhead whoever wasn't who doesn't sort of our listener doesn't know. A serious researcher as for the profit as it needed to? Cobra ceiba here the tragedy here is that he says there is no verse. Is it an absolute sense? There's no verse that the profits are the profits are protected. So the funny thing is these people like him, always

misuse them in one verse. Brother, once again we said recite beautifully for me.

Finish for me. Bow the Billahi min ash upon the regime. Yeah. The Luma on Zilla la comin. Robic.

Remember locker is Elijah. Hello. Yes. Well, yes. him coming on us. Yeah. silica. Yeah. Well, oh, yeah. similkameen anass. Yes. consumo. Asthma, yeah. Asthma, asthma, infallibility. So this session protection, it is the age now that the profits are protected in what? And matters of law and medicine for the lay shame on it. So yes, there's difference of opinion, if it goes beyond that or what not but as in for matters of Revelation is age. So hello. So what kind of argument is this? You know what? So basically what you're saying in a summary is that no one's asked you to find everything in one verse. No, just give us bits and bobs from different years. compiling with the

Quran is what we say by the way other than that, the question is actually good. Other than that, he said, what a mama you want exactly. This actually is a good question. Because when as soon as your mama asked the twelvers, the scholars the propagandist for delete from the Quran, and they always then accused us Why are you called on is why you run right now.

We can debate you

every tiny issue, but we say we love Allah it is more logical to debate based on the forgone they believe they claim. Their scholars at least the model is called as claim that they believe in the Quran or under is uncorrupted. And we believe so. And this also means we take both of our words as given as a desire is the parent and as the truth by up is the full pan, we are asking for the shear 12 understanding of Imam that's what we're asking for this is what we asked you guys and let me very shortly explain what the belief is in the moment it their belief in a mama according to sadu como fi then majlis in the top scholars is that every age, every age, every time

has an infallible hydrogen. A hydrogen is a absolute proof of Allah, it being a human being a soldier, who is an Imam, a Hojo, by definition is an Imam. And the rank of Imam to them is higher than the rank of the prophet of a prophet his mistress By the way, and that's why this is, I don't want to go into details this but you can just quickly see the video where he admits that generally speaking, the VMs are higher than normal profits. Yeah, we can see that this is something is controversial. Let's take a quick look at that clip.

There are a number of opinions on this issue.

But I can definitely rationally and textually understand

that the Imams are higher

than all the prophets, except the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family. Now we've just seen a clip so he clearly is not a controversy that he does believe, right? That for the most part, the Imams ahead and the Prophet so let's take a look at what what do you want to show us play it? Obviously, we want to keep this short as short as we can this video, but want to give you some references Inside this video. So I'm going to read for you from Khomeini. Khomeini is a modern day scholar. I do understand this and he's disputed among that no problem, but what he says here must be understood. He did not make made this up. Yeah, previous Shia scholars from the last few 100 years

and the likes of saduak their classical scholars. He is an actual classical scholar from the medieval time 1000 years ago roughly, but this is common. Look what Khomeini says he utters purusha 12 unbelief. He says the spiritual status of the Imam is the universal divine, universal divine position that is sometimes mentioned by the Imams, peace be upon them. It is a position pertaining to the whole creation by virtue of which the atoms in the universe humble themselves in the Hulu. exaggeration already started like other sects who exaggerate with sayings, you know, already here the point of the examination before the holder of authority It is one of the essential beliefs of

our shear in school, it is one of the essential essential beliefs of all she is good that no one can attain the spiritual status of the Imams. Not even. Not even the

not even the chairman or messenger. So basically, angels wanted not even the angels or messenger and the Imams existed before the creation of the world. There's another Rafi superstition belief based sex also believes that look.

Yeah, so the Adam Elisa, who is my father, your father, I live in la sala de la new father, but the moms were born before then because the moms were allied, and so on. This is all in the form of lights. So he you see him and he says that nobody can reach the status of

documental. Islamia, page 22. Unless other I don't want to I don't want to read anything else. I'm just I'm just mentioned that as much as that is from majority as well, there's from saduak, as well. Emergency is from the 16th century, a subtle thing, the same thing. They're all most of them, most of them. Go further than that. I can tell you, for example, what a Duke says so Duke says, Whoever?

I think this is by Sadhguru 23. Yes, yes. So Duke says can just quickly

who ever believes, who believes in the mama of the prince of the believers,

and who denies a single one of the 12 imams after him is that he is in the same position as the one who accepts all the prophets, but he denies the apostleship of our Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu

any Look, this is why this topic is very important. The nine one NEMA.

Yeah, and we're not talking about you know, they have they have an apologetic approach, apologetic stances and excuses What do some of them say oh, this means taxied into here after we treat Sudanese in the world as Muslims. Thank you very much in a day they accept us to expect us to I don't know to the field to thank them. This is still tech field and he me and you and you and him are all into he after for for not believe

In the concept of the shear a concept of imama of the 12 months of the Quran, so is it not our right to ask Where is this believing for?

Now the next thing is what I find really interesting is he implies that basically the the young people, he says that kind of were being bullied in his own words, which I'm gonna probably put up as a clip in a second, being bullied, but presumably by myself when I was asking them, bring me some something you don't really know. But I don't try to put anyone by but just whilst by merely asking, Can you give me the evidences from the Quran that that's required? This is brilliant, because because of how difficult the task may be. But what's funny is that after the bullying happened, and these brothers had the, the bullying and they and these brothers had the, the arguments, the two

main arguments that these brothers all came with on all three chats, were literally so to bacala to one at 124 with Abraham, and he was made a man and also the whole thing of chapter 459, asserting the set

of income or being alone being the messenger and and the ones who control

this verse. These verses are the same verses despite him criticizing my interlocutors implicitly, the same ones he uses himself. So in other words, he says these guys didn't do a good job they shouldn't and then he uses the same arguments they used. So kind of funny, but how would we come and let's summarize these two verses quickly. So the first one, which was in the dialogue, callin scmm Yeah. Ibrahim in digital currency. Mmm. Nigeria to call Allah and Allah, Allah me. Okay, this verse in chapter two verse 124, is talking about Allah speaking to Abraham, he says, I'm going to make you an amount for the people stop. Yes, but let's do like quickly, right? Let's roleplay Yes. What does

the verse say again in translation? Um, I am making use of a man any man who, who is allowed to make any money Abraham was all in this

he says woman The reality

is I mentioned no Augmented Reality Augmented Reality any from this project from his progeny from his offspring descendants, right? Because from his marry from Abraham, for this Marian polish, right?

Somebody will come and say that's Mommy, that's

somebody can come with me. Uh huh. volley me means that my promise won't reach the ones who have transgressed I know, that augments and they are and hey, interpret what I mean is what's lying to them is anybody who is who's other than a Massoud other than a infallibility, right? That's what it is. And where's the Delete for this? There is no there is no need for this. Of course, the verse one of the most misused versus creepy I want to explain to you

what Sunni to facilitate what this

what is this that Allah made Ibrahim in the senate prophet because because, look, here's the problem. He said he was made it from a prophet his argument. Let's take a look at the clip just as he's following. When I come therefore, towards understanding a mama from the Holy Koran,

which parts of a mama Do you want me to explain to you? A mama as a position which are prophets of Allah reached as his highest position. I could show you that. For example, in chapter two verse one to four.

When Allah subhanho wa Taala says to nebia Ibrahim often they'll be Brahim was a nebby or soon reached the level of halleen.

Prophet messenger

friend of Allah subhanaw taala high station then Mr. makalah in New Jersey, I look at the nasty Mama. I have made you an Imam for the people. It shows that while he was a Nana Rasul Allah told him there's another station, a high station and that is the station of being an Imam for the people as well as a leader for the people as well. One who's wholeheartedly sacrificing himself to guide people spiritually and politically and has the knowledge to be able to guide the people in all of their affairs. So he's as you saw in the clip, his argument is that you are made from the Prophet that determines the law of any man mmm the status of remember is higher than the Manzella of the

Prophet and the evidence of that is that Abraham was a prophet and then he was made into an Imam. Right So okay, slowly so Abraham was first a prophet than any man this is very important for you guys to understand that he was whatever your religious background maybe maybe whatever you have to understand according to these people, this religion the likes of next year wanting all the scholars will lie I don't mean the lame. Mandela I myself used to be sure they don't like me and convention as much as

my family as Shia, many of them still we've had it on and I have no problem with Lehmann shadab. Many of them are Mr. King. They don't know the reality they don't know the truth. They have been spoon fed with these repetitive

cycles who had arguments that will lie. Everybody who's familiar with the Koran can easily answer. We'll do it. We will do it here right now. We are doing it right now.

Brothers and sisters.

What these people do when they see the word Imam is this is this is hugely

sectarian.

Yeah.

My mom and they insert their sectarian

terminological definitions into the verse instead of letting the verse dictate their belief.

So here's the thing. This is and this is what I said, is very important to understand.

You, actually, when he says, because Ibrahim alayhis salam, everybody knows he was a prophet. Yeah, and then I lost it. I made you an Imam. So according to his, his flawed logic, from one step, let's call it step number one level one was prophet to Abraham was standing on this step. And then and then he, you know, to enter the amount of step. Yeah, so what does it mean? Practically? It means the rank of mama is higher than profit, profit. But the funny thing is, Ibrahim Ali Salim was he even According to him, and by the way, he's not making these things up. He is not extreme or became extremely he said, I hope nobody comes up with these excuses. This is mainstream but unfortunately

this mainstream but a Mohammed

was Ibrahim according to the one in 12 abilities a prophet Yeah. So in within Ibrahim, he owned prostitute and a mama both yes or no yes.

And hasn't even

seen an alibi Hussain, Mohammed Abdullah

Al Hussein in Jaffa Mohammed until the rest of this will be moms. Where if we solemnise and if we

for the sake of argument except that they were in federal 12 moms were they according to cheer stance prophets or imams only

were the prophets or imams infallible imams? They were just human moms. So you see his flawed argument goes back to like Boomerang but the boomer hits the head, okay, why because yeah, this makes by definition, his argument you have to understand is it it makes Ibrahim superior than all his moms because as humans, we're not profits profits.

And he had both, right. How they overlap. This is point number one point number two. What do Sunni scholars say about the Tafseer was first Sunni scholars explain it very beautifully. With no Hulu with no exaggeration, with no alien belief, no Muslim if you can go to a non Muslim and say, You know what? Do you know the prophets when they go on rank higher they become the moms Whoa. Sorry, the highest position every Muslim knows is what even Christians and Jews know the highest position is that right? Yeah. girassol comes with

the definition quickly difference between law school and there's a difference of opinion. We don't want to go you know, I guess but because people might ask Okay, there is no law school and profit.

Also comes with the with the message and messenger. So,

suppose that Python is covered. Point two, we say to them, as soon as cars for example have been configured and other service was ordered to be dimensioned. Guess how they interpret what they mean? What among humans? Ibrahim was made no swiping. cathedra says other scholars say that it has to do with him having been given the Sharia, the Sharia the 10 points of Sharia some about Nevada about cleaning lists and stuff like that. Nobody came with a Farfetch explanation. That didn't mean another rank, but it was really clear about the as it says in the GI Luca Lin nasci. Mm hmm. Danny O'Connor Mmm. He was an Imam before, but he wasn't Lee Massey. Mm hmm. So in other words, like, like

Allah subhanaw taala elevated his level from leadership, from a local group to leadership to an international group. Another very important point. After he Abraham was supposed to be made an Imam, which is if we go by their understanding something superior than a prophet. Yeah. What did he do? What things other? What special things things that he did not do before? Did he suddenly do? He was still the same? Did he call his son, his own son to the end of it to his mama? Did he call people to his Imam? No, he never he called nobody to say Mama, he was a prophet, the prophet is it so? And selaginella do not misuse this verse. They do not enforce insert some religious terminology on the

word insert into the word what Mr. But because they they are sectarian, in a sense, really? that they do not as we say what the discursive answer was, you might say

the beliefs are dictated by the Quran and Sunnah albida their beliefs, they enforce the beliefs on the verses and we can see

Many other verses with which they misuse, cut all read out of context in number will you come alongside so many verses where if you look at the context, you see, has nothing to do with Imam of khilafah if you look at this verse of Ibrahim as I mentioned at the beginning,

if you want to keep it very short then we say this is not sorry click a text for the mama if we will if we accept put him out of Abraham, this is not for you mama of of Alabama.

And as for the argument, you mentioned that the law does not give this covenant to the volley mean that does not mean not every Muslim is a not every non infallible is a volume is Sistani Ayatollah Sistani, Iran is a mushroom according to this year's with sem is a volume

according according to them, no. is the leader of the shedule Pro with that *ing is here masumi calling today? No.

So this understanding is flawed to say this means they enforce it on the verse I said, you know, it's good. You mentioned that, because he there is one point where he went, well, you should play it. Let's let's actually play this point where he actually says, Why should we follow anyone he actually makes this point he actually says lenders like this right? And viewers decide how he says it. He says how Why would we follow anyone who is a Muslim? Why would anyone who is not infallible, let's take a look at exactly what he's

really. They talk of a grace which God pours upon his servant, who's already displayed a wonderful obedience to Him. This this this grace is a grace which

purifies them.

As well as ensures they'll never order you to commit wrong automates commits a mistake. Because when I have to obey that person in authority,

it is upon the idea that that person is always a source of guidance. So Allah,

why don't I obey someone who's fallible? Because whatever it says to me, I'll still say I'm going to hear someone else's opinion. Sure. Today with a scholar, and fifth, even if he gives you an opinion, don't you say well, let me read what other Maharaja say on the issue? What other scholars on the issue? We don't want a cell phone to occur where I jump from person to person to person to person, because you see here he's been very clear about it. I mean, there's no two ways. Are you saying Why? You can get a second opinion and these things, so he's now putting, Mashallah. Mashallah, what can we say here? According to this logic? Yes. Yeah. Let's start from the beginning. Yes, she has

believe in 12 months 11 of these trophy moms, if we can call it rule or guidance if they guide it, we believe 11 of them were righteous men and the moms of Allah Sana. But if they were guides as infallible guides, they all lived 11 months, two and a half centuries. Yeah. So now centuries, after two centuries, ie 1200 years ago, the travelers claimed that the 12th one went into the major occultation

a battle Cobra, major quotation and he is not accessible yes they come out each each Ayatollah No he's not in cave he's not again he was here last time he was seeing was in the basement so I'm suddenly say the shame lives in the cave. No, they don't believe he lives right now in a cave. However, unfortunately they do it they believe and hope believes and have rituals that are still very, very problematic and and and how can I call it they believe that the last time he was seen was in the basement of his father and some are Samarra. You know, is the simplicity. It's almost completely submissive. Yeah, no. And he was last time seen there was last time seen there in the

basement and there's videos on YouTube, I don't know if you want to put it or I'm gonna put it. They make they Rouzier up there. You know, zero religious pilgrimage or some basement that people actually believe that he's walking around the

point is they they do zera they go to the basement and kiss a door and go downstairs. It's absolutely an Ebola for catalana misguidance upon misguidance. But anyway, we don't have nothing to do with this one. Let's go to one of the verses that they use. Now just quickly because we wanted to comment on where he went. He said, How can you follow a non infallible

justice? What what what logic is this? Right, right, right. As I just explained, 11 of the 12 imams lived for two and a half century after the profits or loss. If we if we submit, if we submit and go by the sheer 12 a line that they were 11 infallible

Imams, and they guided a group of people at least even the sheer say that the 12th one went into the major occupation. Major occultation he's not accessible. Yes, some of them comes with some philosophical excuses. He's like the sun behind the cloud. Although I believe the sun behind the cloud is much more beneficial. But anyway, the point is, he's not accessible. He

Not guiding them if you That's why they call Imam Kamini Imam Kami is the mom he leads her mama Shirazi Imam Sistani, they proudly say that Sistani united all the tribes in the shared tribes in Iraq and from the harsh the shabby Yeah, so according to this logic in extra one if he's brave, you should go to go and take a megaphone and shout Are you guys normal following How can you follow him and he's not in my suit. Are you guys in Najaf and kerravala How can you follow system is not a muscle what montecristo is a voice if he has a time machine you can go to the time of the mom when everyone disappeared and say to the shears that's it Game Over no more no more infallibility game by

the way, this itself deserves a whole lecture after the 11th imams happy moment when where and so called a quotation who guidance a Shia from that time on who Baba who got it the chef since no quotations there scholar other scholars infallible according to them no so 1000 1200 years we thought what infallible guy didn't have we know the excuses Of course they're gonna say but the hedges on earth

will not the earth will not remain for the whole jar and he gives us hope and older students practically practically an infallible is not guiding them as simple as that. So what he said

just quickly I wanted to mention

so this is chapter four fastest and another one. I don't see how I mean if anyone goes to that part of the Quran well I

just check it

so nice she has a body say these non Muslims Jews Christians Hindu 49 check it up. How does this reference at 12 to 12 months how does that look? So I believe that hold on does not support Jesus

seven as a standard verse we need to consider the nominal oh you you believe it Allah obey the messenger well tell us Oh, sorry, again. Obey. Obey Allah and obey the messenger

and those of our authority among you yeah fantana Zack fee Shay in and if you dispute in a matter, any matter for Allah. So back to Allah and the messenger Allah and the messenger stop Allah Subhana

Allah, yeah, they know it. They know this verse is problematic for them. Some of the scholars that come up with Haider in others, they admit that is a problem to use these verses, these kind of fuzzy concern is white very quickly. I feel like obey Allah and His messenger

and he's the people of authority and

and the people of authority among the Imams humans. And if you dispute in a matter Yeah, suddenly Allah says What if she dispute Yeah, then Allah says if you dispute Yeah, now it's important to go back where to refer back to messenger.

So here, Allah subhanho wa Taala did not say go back today and go back to the mother.

Sometimes to say what do you want from us the names from the moms of the corner No, we don't want a man this is a 711 does you know we don't want the names of the moms or not that description. Even here all amor here means pulling and remain calm This is arm we say in Arabic This is general. This is for every age and time. Allah is saying oh you believe as Muslims who are hiding monotheists obey Allah and His Messenger Islam.

Allah Rasool Allah so this one when you go into Sunni mosque, what do you hear the whole time? Allah says his messenger says Allah said his messenger says Of course we took what I learned was about the virtues but the apostle domain is what alumnus alumna is not aligned to 12 moms Alanna trophy moms it's probably mom said the two other moms that

said

the rank of the Prophet is practice that's why earlier I said formerly, they believe formula to the Prophet is superior but there's no way you can use it. You cannot use it. Because Allah says if you dispute go back to Allah and His Messenger not go back to Allah and His messenger and Adam, and it says, a few law law to go soon. And then what we're all in agreement. Everybody who knows Arabic who studied abroad, these are from the basics, when Allah is Allah Allah, right? filament how do we,

when Allah says to law, obey Allah

and obey the law school? does Allah then say, pay attention? Please, those who love the Quran doesn't matter as you see Sunni.

Look at the Quran now. Open it now. Look there. Look at the translation and look at the Arabic Atilla obey Allah wa to Rasul Allah uses this

It imperative, he uses it for himself and for his messenger but when it comes to me said, What only ambrym? Why is that prospects respect to? messenger? Yes, not No, no, not just that raising them and say is compared to the other, not just that not just then the reason the main reason is, according to grammar is because it's absolute obedience, obedience to Allah and His messenger is absolute absolute. That's what Allah uses are to law, obey Allah and Allah says again, if you're Rasul Allah use again the vertiv obey. But when it comes to me says what?

Why suddenly, because the only and not an entity that is similar, on the same level, it is not an infallible entity, it's an Allah describes even an M sense who the entity is, what will remain calm come

from you. That's it. And finally, this is again, what we say. And one of his biggest and this is everything they bring is ambiguous at best. It's, at best is ambiguous. at best. Sometimes it's completely distorted. So this is an ambiguous evidence and we know that Allah subhanaw taala says, what about those people who go after the Buddha, the heart of the damn biggest, what does Allah say about those people?

And those people who have illness, illnesses sickness in their hearts, they go after the ambiguous and biggest verses. So you see this first if you showed any Christian Jew, Muslim, somebody who read the Quran 1000 times and say, Do you is this crystallized? Is this a crystallized belief? Do you understand from this belief that you have to follow? Forget about names we don't ask for the names of the dropper. Do you even understand that is a entity a group of people when fallible after the final messenger of Allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam? Hi Shahrukh Allah never let me tell you something about Priscilla's beliefs. Let's take a look at next one is actually he became very brave.

Let's take a look at his clip. Challenging another challenge for us. Let's take a look. Oh, he says she has them as the very early theology.

I would say and I will not hesitate to say this and you can show this wherever you want. On every link on YouTube wherever you want. She hasn't

the coverage

and the modal Jia are the three earliest theologies and Islam there was no such thing as a no so Noah, Gemma.

I defy anyone. I defy anyone to show me that there's a clear crystallized creed, Clay, crystallized creed.

That was then earliest?

If not, you can show me 200 300 years later, I don't mind early Islam.

Listen to this.

I expect from you then you explain to the viewers. I know we did a video. But this is the same individual. This is last year. Yeah. Who last year, made a big claim attacked this have accused him as the cause of terrorism or whatnot. And then he said, and I debate anybody on this right? And even somebody respected person or said he came. And he suddenly Well, it was absolute silence to the point that she has themselves, rightfully.

So now again, this is let's see. I know this time he worded it a bit. He said he didn't say I want to know but he said really clearly. I mean, this is so academically weak. I'm actually shocked. I'm actually shocked. Because this man is actually pursued higher education and further and higher education. And when he says something like this, it's shocking to me, because it shows that he has not done his research, rephrasing rather than most of it. rephrase. So he's saying that the three groups, right, the house bridge and the merger, and the Shia were the three earliest groups quickly explained.

Yeah, very good. Yeah, go ahead. But before we do that, and he says 300 years, he even extends it to 300 years. Well, I can't believe this. And he says you'll never find one Formula One creed one crystal has created of the Sudanese in that time, let's start with the first claim. Yeah, okay, let's, let's use his own method on on him now. Right. What do you mean crystallized? Then he said to me, what are you asking for? infallibility the qualities of democracy. What do you mean with crystallized belief? Do you want some from heaven sent down book was written as w j on it.

Besides, before we go through before we throw some evidences. Yes, yes, we say I would say I want to address and I know that as many people who have who some of them, they grew up with him, right, right. But I'm telling you, brother sisters, and I've seen it with my own eyes. Last

Last year when he turned his brother

and then when he came forward and then he suddenly nothing actually won it became very quiet. I think he left the UK went again to America wherever. Both sisters this man when he did this last year, ie when he challenged and did not debate, I saw his own sheer people and followers like on the forums on we're not criticizing him and missing that now sherwani in reality is a giant he's a giant he's an ignorant he's an ignorant he speaks to lay people like the funniest thing was when I read one comment on the largest share from in the world one administrator, he said, well, like he said, My God, now sherwani all of you guys know very well and knowledgeable Sunday stillness on an actual

knowledgeable Sunday sitting with him. It will intellectually rip apart intellectually

knowledgeable person I think a student with claims like I have no respect for game know that. That's why I believe I that's why I understand Mr. Mr. Wani, that he goes only to his own centers, faces No, she has whatsoever, no Sudanese whatsoever and makes these claims because he knows no one's gonna lie. The problem is in this age of social media, but you know what the problem is, we think something new and new people like me new, we're outraged. How can you and we got to explain to the viewers, bear with us why it's such a ridiculous claim. Well, here's the sad thing about what mean new the likes of me and you and maybe some brothers and sisters, so watching what they sometimes

don't realize the sisters in this time and age. Don't think just because there's social media, that you're going to get exposed, you're going to get refuted, do you think he worries about this? He doesn't? Because he knows his followers will love him. Anyway, no matter what they are, most people don't care. Most people are not for the they are not actual truth seekers. How dare they add homonyms and cursing and salting even under your video now it will stop you will see insulting because if if they were truth seekers, then at the very least they would understand that this man who they made so big, was the eloquent speaker you know, and who who can so many Sunni references.

He's a Miskin. He's a journal. He just loyal ottimo sisters. Everything this man says in his lectures are recycled shewhart recycled arguments from books like pressure one night he Johnny's books nothing new. That's why I would say he should come and debate with you or debate with me. Let's let him go away.

Or if not, if not come when it comes to anyone but I don't think he's gonna do that. No to the point to the point it's a point let's let's let's quickly define Ellis Ellison as an abuser. I sat down with him Madiba Sahaba Ellis nojima is basically the Quran and the Sunnah mama Allah He was a hobby. Okay, so that's number one. to refute his claim directly, where does it actually where is there a creed because he mentioned the word creed crystallized creed. There are Creed's, for example, our pizza Rosie. I mean, I think it was published definitely about 279 or something like this maximum. Yeah. So because that's when

he says after 300 years, it was before

that 241 he wrote a book with a pseudo Santa and he started sort of sent me the foundations of the sun. And he cited his book with solar sooner. The sooner the fundamentals of the sun, according to us are and then he lists all those fundamentals of Alabama mojari. Allah Jamia these books were engraved on a smaller sci fi is actually disgusting. Well, I find it shocking that he made that claim, because it shows that he hasn't even read these books is so surprising that he's meant to be the face of sheer polemics ism against the Sunni world and he hasn't even done the research like this is basic research. Now tell us something about

so we know and what did he say by the way? I am Lana Kane. He's one of the must have had a son was Mr. McKay is one of the monster. That was the first time Edison was used by him, according to Volcania, Shoshana Yeah, where he referenced a lot of sources, early sources. It's attributed to Abdullah who was who was a boss is a he's a real saying if you like he's a really harsh and actual harsh, harsh habia companion for the money awesome, wasn't he? A been computer mentioned says and I mentioned it later but early

on I didn't even I bought from a little bit of money Hashmi. And he said that the listener those according to the version of Warren, whose faces will be bright on the Day of Judgment. Now these are also Gemma and

those whose faces will be

he usable our listener and clearly but as we say it's not even about as we say in Arabic, they're about ottieni there are certain things is not only the baraat somebody can call himself a Sunni but be a complete heretic. Yes, sir.

Somebody can call himself a shear and be a Sunday because he means shear in the correct sense. And I'm a follower. Yeah. We've all a bit on the dollar. So we we say to him young skin. Yeah.

He's made this point yeah miskeen if you make these claims, if you go and if you try to impress those Masaki know sit in front of you will load our feet when he cracks jokes. He says, I do not care about about any single thing that Abu huraira says, right. So look, yeah, this miskeen cracking jokes, you know,

saying he doesn't care. You see, we can say the same thing that we don't care about what Zara and Jaffer, Java, so Java and Zara, and all those other liars, those they have narrated all these lies to the albedo. That's why it's important to find, yes, that's why we have exactly commonground motto, she has to sit with him there will lie and as we said, we have no problem with the layman. Why would I my mother this year, he said, My mother is about 90%, more than 90% of our family families. Yes. I have problem. Yes, I do have problems with any Sunni, Shia, any person in the world who threatens me? Who does? Or does threatens my family, any other stuff if people start to use

things against me, so you don't have nothing in there? Why did you say this has nothing to do with religion. We don't have nothing in series or Sundays or whatever. I'm just saying this, this con artists and that's what he is. All he knows that the people who sit in front of him, all the ships who sit in front of him, maybe two of them have free if he would ask you you know who the main narrator one of the main narrators of Shia Hadith is all of them.

Know, they don't know who's rara. They don't know who Java is. They don't know who the reward is those who attribute these lies to Albert. So most people actually, as I said, they don't know I mean, most people they don't know when this guy

takes the MC and attacks a novel right out on the line, who by the way, all the shuhada in lies they use against operator, accusing him of being a liar have been refuted, including they can come to our website to overshare.net. And they have books been written refuting each and every single attack on our database. Yes or no one thing I found really interesting that a study that's done in Saudi Arabia recently Yeah, that they found that every Hadith has been done by Abu huraira selegiline. Oh, yeah, in the six books of Hadith has at least, actually 90% of the Hadith have at least one person corroborating them? So as

I said, of course, they will bring that full answer how to criticize Abu Ghraib. But that's not our topic. What I was saying is that most of these people that he's addressing common people lay men, they don't know whose Aurora is whose job it is all these con artists of their time, or the center, there are these heretics of their time, who attributed these hideous, despicable, horrendous beliefs and sometimes rituals to the debate. This is what the likes of nutshell, one in a small fish, by the way, is nobody, as I said, and actually knows the people who is addressing the vast majority of them don't know Arabic right now. Shivani is recycling garbage.

sherwani recycles old sugarwod from the books of like picture night, in XAML, Nosov, all the books, maybe live into Johnny books. That's what

that's what he's not special. However, what do they say? That there's any saying that they say it under the blind? The man with the one eye? Is the king? No, no, you know, the same. So if everybody is blind, and as well, someone with one eye is perceived as the King. Otherwise, he knows very well that those people sit in front of him don't know who azura is, Java is and all these lies to attribute actual lies horrified Big

Data scope. And this is by the way, this is this is what we reject. Right? This is what we say we don't we don't reject debate.

We love debate. We don't reject the School of debate generations. We reject what has been attributed to debate from them from their likes. If Next one is brave, tell him to come. And we'll debate with one of our team about his narrators. So he texts

let's talk about durarara. Let's talk about Java. Let's talk about all those lies who have narrated 1000s of hobbies and attributes it way more by the way, they're always a terrible writer for a few $1,000 a

few $1,000 Some say five six and these are some of the a single narrate as an attribute of the javelin solder as as a marker and so on so forth. So this was brought to that

where he said because what he said before about the secretary says let's because it's a very silly, silly comment, he made some additional points here he said that the three most Kadima most ancient group, yeah, well, the manager

and the whole adage and she, I understand a minute 34 of his video. He says that

merger and Origin The earliest groups, then a minute phase six, listen to what he says. And also know that you see today

originally was a theological school called the Moto G.

That's prototype and as soon as you can see Hey guys,

he clearly says the merger. Oh, that lesson.

For everybody I know everybody who's dishonorable and somebody who's a learned person now, hold on yourself. You don't need to be Muslim to see anybody who's slightly learned, right? Hold yourself and stop laughing now, because yes, it is embarrassing what he's saying, Well, how can somebody say the merger, we have to quickly explain these terms. So how are those who made

the earliest coverage which means they went against the leader that was a as a leader, there was one person who made a statement against a promise on some devices and some said from his people that will come with people here and the middle of the media and the Muslims. And this however, is inherently hamartia very similarities with the extremists twelvers a lot is used to make that feed on it and why we

although they were they went they didn't go as extremists

on everybody, but I didn't want to make so how are these Shalu she Shia from Shia Jani to support someone is a neutral term again today. An original is a neutral damn she I mean supporter.

As for Maria, what is Maria Maria Raja ilja is a basics of the Arabic language and he should rather he should sit down and teach these things to his people or maybe even to his manager who speak broken Arabic and and can recite the fatwa correctly. There he should sit down and teach these people these things to the people not throw around. terminologies who are the more Jia Jia from Raja ha, I think linguistically. You can explain it as going back falling back. Technically explained I need to share a explanation is those who live in actions have anything to do with it? Yeah, and it actually is exactly. There's different levels of course, like there's different levels of college.

So

the books of aqeedah proper, I'll leave it to you. What do I do in the books of have done he literally refute them? Literally?

Any day all the sheer groups extremely likely 12 years they refute the Kataria they refute the jab jab Ria.

We have we have statements from Sahaba mentioning Jamia we have joining these names I will ever forgot to mention some early books

from Imam Buhari. Okay, maybe that's not

early enough from him.

Yeah, okay. Dan says that some

books have doubted me and and there's other books. Yes. Anyway. So now we said

we said that was Yeah, yeah. All of these things. Yeah. Yes. I finally wrote them all the books of the holidays. That's what I wanted to say. Was When was the first hospital

Baba, let's do this possible kita vigil, NASA Giovanni. I don't want to say more of the final word with regard to the gel of this person is what Brava if you ask Mr. Knox Giovanni, where's it crystallized? And where's the breach? Often they will not crystallize the beliefs of the Sudanese after financiers here, Miss King. Yeah. JOHN. Where are the beliefs of how Irish crystallized has gone? Boo.

Boo. Boo. I don't know. Abuja seat. Alhaji from Kufa wrote the book about the rich before

where's the books of the athlete of the year? If you say, well, first one. Yeah, if they say we have we have, for example, to say we have Kitab Celine, one of the earliest books if not the earliest 113 it is. Yeah. It is disputed if that can even be attributed to the author, right? Yes. And the books of hadiza books of Hades. They have what is it called the

La Mamma Mia and whatnot by El Camino.

That was yes. And Islamic Golden Age. That's actually his he's not even meeting his own standard with the zones. Exactly. Exactly. It is.

About again, I give it to Shivani Well, I give it to him. Why? Why? Because I know it works. He knows nobody's gonna question him right? He knows 99% of the followers they're gonna clap and say 10 kilowatts when he finished some you know, Allahumma salli Allah Muhammad and then everything is fine. They're happy. People don't question and here's the news one actually one is likes this time is over. Yes, I know. They're gonna say the same thing. What else are we going to refute here as well? Maybe they're gonna take parts from this video. We don't care. We believe that we are honest in what we do. And the likes of Nick sherwani on bigger than him liable. The Unseen are liable

over for him to have a one man show without being responded to no one

I mean, to be honest with you is because that festival being on the show

and I wanted to say that look, you cannot be a polemic, unless you have someone to argue with. You cannot make your reputation for yourself as a Shiite polemicist against Sunni Islam and talk about debating and arguments unless you put your arguments to the test. And the point why we're doing this video for him, particularly not only because he done a video implicitly referencing my debates, but it's because I personally believe this is not the way to conduct yourself. As a polemicist. There's you want to be at the beta, come forward and debate. So don't worry comm or Amazon

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