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Dr. Zakir Naik’s Scientific Miracles Claims Episode 4
Channel: Mohammed Hijab
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Carter cattle and welcome to a new episode of the scientific miracles narrative and we're trying to unpack it and really be as critical as possible. I'm joined with the shear shear wall Sofia, how are you?
Good? Yes, you do.
Today, yes, we're gonna go through some very important claims that are made from both sides. Really some people, as we say before, though, favor in favor of the scientific miracles narrative. And once again, those individuals who are trying to show that the Quran is deaf is against science, therefore, wrong and these things, all of these people have their different agendas on day. Absolutely all of them do. But Alhamdulillah we have a grand in factor or ground something that will keep us grounded, regardless of the differences in opinion, which is what we proposed in the very first episode, but how to understand in light of constantly changing
paradigms, Mashallah. So today, I want to ask you a couple of things. Before we do continue, because I've been getting some comments about this. Some questions, really. And it was just two or three things we didn't mention in previous episodes, let's try and cover everything. Because really, what we're trying to do guys, is we're trying to make the most comprehensive library of like, kind of examples when it comes to this matter of scientific miracles, or scientific narrative miracles narrative. So that if someone wants a reference as to how, for example, the classical exegetes understood specific verses, these videos would basically be that reference, or somewhat of a
reference. So we don't, we don't claim that we've, you know, covered everything covered absolutely everything. But at least we start trying anyways to Charlotte to shed some kind of light on what's available. Yeah. So there's two things one, in the first episode we did, which was talking about the kind of the creation of the heavens in the earth, there was one piece that we forgot to mention. Well, that I forgot to ask you about, which was the hadith of a Torah which, which is very well known as a Muslim, which is narrated Bible Herrera. Now, a lot of orientalist would say that actually this Hadith, which, which says that, you know, on Saturday, Allah created the earth, the
earth, and I, they kind of has a chronology is dissimilar from the Bible, but some would say is very, in the same light, quite primitive in that same way. Like you know, what, what of this hadith that's quite famous Hadith, you know, that the early scholars of Hadith actually addressed at the time, from this third century, even the second century, late second century, and many, many of them more than one actually said that the Hadith is weak. Hadith is weak. And Hadith is what we termed in Hadith definitions as meaning it has a certain quite delicate hidden defects within the Hadith. And no one really took the Hadeeth because of his weakness, in fact, some scrubbed it back to the
Israeli tradition, the Jewish traditions, right. Okay, so that's that kind of out of the way. The Hadeeth is not something we accept, generally speaking, so therefore, we don't need to defend it. Absolutely. Okay, let's move on. Another thing when this things are moving, yeah, of course, which is on for example, why? because it may go against the Quran in that case, we give preference to the Quran right.
Now, another thing which we wish had mentioned, which is really important, once again, people use it and kind of discourse against Muslims is a very famous, oft quoted verse in sort of Tarik, where it says, Yeah, human beings will be talking about the, the meta data, which is fluid discharged, right is kind of translated as fluid discharge. Yeah, room venous return if they said, Wait a minute. So we will throw up here is talking about semen. So it's talking about sperm and it's located within the backbones and the ribs. We know that sperm is created in the end the testicles, first of all, what words are used here? What does Mandelbrot actually mean? And what is a Soviet era? Is there
even an agreement as to what that means? You know, last panel two answers in this design sort of Barak
been a pseudo type now, linguistically means as well as for the lower part of the back, and I think many of them have a student actually state that there is a near consensus that refers to the lower part of the back of the man of the man. So the difference of opinion is actually interacted What does the word total I mean, some say means the ribs of a woman, other state that it may be the chest area of a woman, some state that it may be the top, you know, kind of between this area, a woman and there's a number of I think I came from 75 or six different opinions as to what it means
It's quite open to interpretation by. So that's good because So first and foremost, we can't be sure of what I've actually means first and foremost. Secondly, let's, let's assume let's just take for the for the argument's sake that it doesn't mean sort of your tribe, as Translated by most translators, which is the backbone and the ribs.
Even for us, we wouldn't say that according to the 21st century discourse, scientific discourse is not a real problem because we know that the seven or glandon there, and a lot of them basically semen producing glands up are actually in between, in conjunction in conjunction with the area mentioned the Quran. So either either way, we don't really lose much. I think what they're getting confused is not far, which is very specific semen, sperm and semen, which which could be, as we said, Matt, and Devin could be something else completing. Moving on today wants to talk about another really oft repeated thing, which is the mountains as pegs. And this is something that as I
can, like, does actually mentioned quite a lot in his talks. Let's quickly take a look at what Zakir Naik has to say about this. And then we'll come to talk about the executed exegetical merits of it. How to accent is actually true according to classical works, let's take a look at the video for unsafe and for an Abba. chap number 78 was number six and seven. We have made the earth as an expanse was jabaal Tada and the mountains as takes. The Quran doesn't say mountains were thrown up Asterix, Mount elastics Arabic word means takes meaning tent peg. So as you saw here, there are a few things that don't exactly like is mentioned. To what extent Now, first and foremost, what does
the word mean? In Arabic language? What does actually mean? It doesn't mean pigs have the classical scholars said that eight means pegs. Number two, there is this, I would say from a orientalist perspective, a kind of attack on the current discourse saying
that some of the old pre Islamic poets, that they in fact, are the ones who are well they knew about this Anyways, this was the language that we use, in reference to the mountains, essentially has been pegged as being pegged. Yeah. So is this is this correct, as well? So there's two questions. You know, he mentioned this in roughly three different areas in
Russia. And to me that became, and the common meaning of most of these is that the mountains have been placed there in order to prevent the earth from from moving. And this is something I've quoted from the tiberian, the early scholars from the first generation, he mentions this, and many, many of them, in fact, it's very difficult to find any of the professor that stated different types of meaning, so that the Earth was in and this is according to the value of the Quran, the apparent mean. And this is also dictated by the context of the Islam, that the mountains do provide. Its source of stability. And this is, by the way, so someone might be listening to say, wait a minute,
we know that the Earth rotates on its axis. Well,
when you say the earth from moving, or shaking, or whatever, yeah, what do you mean by talking about it? Does that negate the look at this? It depends on how the current modern scientific discourse understands the role of tectonic plates. And these things are not scientists. Okay. Perhaps you can you can want me to say is that, is there any? Is there any contradiction? Because?
Would we say that there is, it's relative to the human experience?
when many of them have a pseudo when they interpreted these verses in the first century, in the second century, it was such that the Earth was not moving in front of them. Yeah, so it was something relevant to what they can experience there. And then, so of course, definitely, this definitely plays a role interpretation Sopranos road, as we say, it's universal for every time in each, then it would, it would definitely appeal to different people in different times and have a different meaning for them, as long as the acoustic the Arabic language can contain that meaning. Yeah. And the second thing I was talking about was that this whole idea of the mountains being
rooted into the earth, okay, as being a pre Islamic reality, everyone knew that
you know, you do find certain poems and poetry and certain references to the pre slump era, in which they do mention and reference mountains has been altered or what has been pegs for example, it's mentioned that
they didn't fit in famous pre Islamic poet. He walked around the pharaoh in a few verses, and he says akula Allah who anticipated how the villa What did in heathman that's coming here. He's just starting to say look at the mountains are you the one that created these mountains without without any pegs, Minister hold it down. So you can see from a meaning perspectives completely different to the Quranic discourse, which the the mountains are pegged to stop the earth from moving. Yeah, okay. But here he's saying who pleased the mountains in order to stop them from moving around, okay, but it's interesting to see that
We take this as one example, then if the Sham, which is a great scholar of Islam as a scholar of Islam, and he has a famous book called The sale of the left foot, so lots of a lot of it, who sell him, he actually says after quoting these verses by because these verses
these, these poets are the ones I just mentioned. And he says that this particular verse was not said was at faith. Okay, it was said, but only Who said this? So,
this is off the slough. Okay, this is off the snap. Okay, came hamdulillah. So this is one particular thing that I believe has been completely misquoted. Another quite famous example, is the is the famous quote, of the passage of capital A vocabulary was, of course from the linear came from the linear form. And he
actually mentions from the ninth century says that between capital A, and the Prophet sallallahu, adrasan, was roughly 560 years, 560 years. But in this particular hook by that apparently has been preserved. And I believe a few of the ordinances do quote from it. And
there's a number of things that actually show that something's not right here. The first has been written by someone called Bella, which has it's near consensus that he's weakened it. The second thing is that there's roughly 560 years between Cabernet and the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. So there's a clear disparity in the generation number one, because of course, it mozarella or the rate of this hadith did not meet cup in the Not only that, but there's something else which alludes to complete fabrication, which is that in the this particular passage, it mentions very clearly Mohammed and nebby. Okay, the prophet Mohammed the Prophet, of course, they commonly entertain this.
Yeah. So, however, to be completely fair, in the Old Testament, the book of Job if I'm not mistaken, I think 10 or 20 of job, it talks about the mountains having roots. Right. So the point being is like allude to mountains have roots that provides stability for it not in that particular passage? I don't think in the Bible, kind of right. description of the mountains. I see. So what you're saying here is that the idea may be that the, the mountains having roots, as pigs, was mentioned before, and might have been mentioned before, not necessarily by the Arabs, but could have been their improved. So it's not a problem.
But the idea is that there's a bit more with the current discourse. Anyway, I don't think that we should use this as some kind of I mean, personally, I mean, I don't know what you think as some kind of main argument for why Islam is true. Like the mountains pics, I wouldn't use as a main argument. Yeah, no,
I wouldn't either. I mean, the reality is paneling. And you said this in the first episode, that it's a book of guidance. Yeah. It's a book that addresses the heart. It addresses the people the conditions and it holds people to their senses, but to use as a main argument. Well, again, I think it's relative, isn't it? I mean, yeah, generally the moronic men hedging calling people to Islam is to affirm the oneness of Allah, the oneness of God, the truth in his prophets, Allah
so on and so forth. Let's move on to the next. Could be Yeah, it could be used as a sudden. Yeah, it's interesting is interesting. Isn't Allah has mentioned it for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. Just like any is not a symbol that has been mentioned, without purpose. Mm hmm. Allah, we move on to another interesting point, which is in sort of, in sort of North, which is chapter 24 of the horizon. There is an interesting verse which talks about
someone who's like a, an archetypal personal, like maybe some kind of figurative, this might be a figurative verse will ask you about if it's actually metaphorical or not, but the person is kind of looking at to their hand and they couldn't see it. Some of our children have said that the ocean in the ocean Yeah. lamiaceae the verses so he is as if he can't see it, he can't. So some have said that this shows that the Quran is very precise in so much as that it shows
the ocean from an oceanic oceanography perspective, like you can't see the hand that means that at a certain certain depth, what do you think of this?
you know the area is very clear, after firstly discussing the example of the one who has been given light and the one mean that one who has been given guidance, okay, then Allah subhanaw taala has mentioned this oak of Allah mercy if you bet Elodie or like the example for the one who is in many stages of darkness in a battle in luxury, luxury and it means something deep and very deep, deep ocean. Okay.
Yoshio modem and funky modem he fell to his hub literally waves upon waves upon the clouds covering him. So many of them for students to consider him Allah tala. He calls this has been an example for the hot for example of one who does not accept the prophets of Allah.
This one's been a messenger, and so on and so forth. So it could be that it's very well could be interpreted as a metaphorical way of understanding this. And if modern science does kind of allude to the fact that yes under certain, a certain depth once you can see in the eyes of the eye contains this meaning that you cannot write what it says, Let me let me let me know that you can't see at all some of them have some of them for soon again, this is a linguistic construct, let me get some have said this means that this thing does not happen, or it's not happening at this particular time. Let me get your I cannot see it. As I said, it's as if he can't he still can't see it, even if a little
bit. Yeah, so even from a linguistic perspective is possible. Okay. Well, I mean, it's once again, quite interesting. It
is very interesting, but we wouldn't want to again want to use that maybe I mean, I'll give him a lesson thing you put on a site is interesting his level of perspective. Another interesting thing, which which we kind of looked at is,
is something which is quite commonly used in the in the Dow it's actually about pairs and how the kind of the the plots have got pairs. So let's take a look at a video from Zack and like talking about how the plants have are in different pairs.
In the field of botany, we have come to know recently that even the plants have got sexes, male and female. Previously we did not know that even the unisexual plant has got distinct characteristic of male and female.
The Quran says in Surah Taha jack number 2153, it is Allah who sends down word from the sky and causes diverse pairs of plants to grow each separate from the other. That means the plants have got sexes, male and female. can see here he's saying that plants are different pairs male and female is this substantiated with a tissue
i think is important on sanfur see the linguistic means
field was a very famous linguist, was he he mentioned in the movie, that the word zote in Arabic, roughly translates as pair, it has a number of meanings. It could mean a male, a female has a wife, or husband. Or it could mean something that is not one meaning more than one thing. It could mean a pair, it could mean a type of color, it could mean something that was typically placed on top camels in order for for for for other people to sit on. So it has a number of meanings. Okay, but if you look at the most of the last one, Tyler first two, so Jane coolin zonith name, for example, the last one tada talks about the Safina the vote of no. And he said, and
then it's very, very difficult to find a single professor who alludes to a different meaning, other than the fact that male and female animals were paired, and placed by no into the world. Now, I think also generally speaking for normal life when we talk when is when it's saying, for example,
in the many verses that it does, I mean, it's more than one verse that is talking about, like, for example, the plants, or it's talking about natural things that it says that is, is in zote form.
Limit the meaning to male and female? No, I'm just saying and generally speaking, is it the fact that he's saying now the plants have got are male and female? Is that something that the plants, generally speaking plants are male and female? Is that is that something that the cashier can handle? Like that has this effect substantiated with
the linguistic, linguistic perspective of it?
Then it's difficult to limit the meaning. It's difficult to limit the meaning. Regarding this, if you were to see not plants per se, but animals that also it has a very strong basis.
So it definitely it's open to interpretation with plastic, but I could
possibly, I mean, this is one meaning, and to say, you mean a few minutes seems quite very disused, quite far fetched. But Allah Allah, Allah knows best.
Okay, so a lot of people will say no, but when we're talking about going into
the Safina, which is the boat, yeah. And you've got all these animals. Yeah. I mean, if you think about all of the world's animals, we've got literally hundreds of millions of species. I mean, I would talk about taking all those animals and put them in male and female.
Well, look, Allah subhanaw taala he says, Colin in the giraffe has Colin as odd thing, which in the Arabic language is roughly translations everything, right? Yeah. kulu shake everything great. But it doesn't actually mean this in the Arabic language because cool. It could mean a certain number of things, but not necessarily everything Allah says. All kinds of things, all kinds of things or a certain number of things, but not necessarily everything level.
But why would you limit it, for example,
as Allah says to the miracle machine in the wind describing the wind of oil that was sent to certain people, then the condition that it would absolutely destroy absolutely everything. But then in the next idea for a llama Sakina. But then when they woke up in the morning, they couldn't as everything was destroyed, except for the houses, right? So it's not everything. So it's not everything. So cold could mean all kinds of things, all kinds of things. It says a number of things, but not necessarily everything. Yeah. So we can understand that.
We don't need to, like for example, we don't need to expect there to be not only just elephants by hippopotamus, and you know, the whale is in there and the limiter and sperm whale and yeah, and Jin Jin is one of the male and female didn't go in there. And you know, we don't we don't have to believe that all of them going in. And the word doesn't necessarily cool doesn't data pipe.
Now moving on to another interesting thing that has been discussed by people talking about this kind of discourse, what internal Howdy, howdy. So it says, We have sent down iron, but really, I mean, does enzyme that is only set 10 out because in two other verses in the Quran, which I can kind of remember now, one a lot of a one sort of zoom are
the ones who are often talks about Russia,
like the clothing of Adam, Adam or clothing of human beings. They were sent down to Angelina and the one that suits Zuma, which is chapter 39 of the Quran is talking about
Nam? So is the cattle talking about so so once again if we were to be consistent with this and fair, so why is it that way? Why don't we start How could livestock be sent down in the same way the sender from the sky was was that Well yeah, what the cows falling from the sky?
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, look, analyze you look at the deficit and Firstly, we look at the linguistic definition it's important that in a general way of understand the Quran, it's important to look firstly at the language because the language is how Allah subhanaw taala reviewed the Quran you read in Arabic land Quran Arabi and later the original
Quran Arabi in Arabic Quran very clear to be understood for the people who is addressing. So from a linguistic point of view, the word and zen, which comes from unzila, Yun zero in Berlin, and the root of that is Missoula.
It doesn't only necessarily mean to us to dissent, okay, it could mean have a number of meanings. And of course, the context is something that dictates the meaning. And if you look, for example, Josie is adamant. He says that this particular set of very beautiful tafsir he mentioned, one of the hammers was one of the great humblest colors and a great professor had this Mashallah tuberculoma, big fan of his, he says, Hello, Tyler.
Feeny cola Once added these two opinions regarding the meaning of incident, the first of them is what she says, and the law ends in a murder mystery, then he says that one of them is the last one to either sit down with Adam, the tools of smoldering iron, and creating iron molting, okay, and he quotes from the author of if not best, which is extremely weak, extremely weak. So we can dismiss this meaning straightaway. The second meaning is that it could mean unshare now
that we created it, and we created these things. And in fact, if you take this meaning, and you apply it to these verses, about the cows, and the livestock, and I know all of these kind of things, and the meanings, even in these particular meanings, and you know, regarding the vessel sort of thought about something, it was it also mentioned that it has to be roughly three different meanings, or if they're revolving around these things that are not meant to create the means for us to make clothes, clothes for ourselves. Or perhaps he taught us that how to construct these clothes from these things, but none of them would ever say that, you know, clothes like fall from the sky,
or cattle start falling from the sky, because something that happened to us and cannot even comprehend, it goes against that which we, which we will understand. So that's why we have to be fair and kind of be consistent in this course, and look at all the examples. And it has to fit every single thing if it was a singular incident, then we can talk Yeah, but it's not the three verses and two of those other verses are not in the context of literal falling down from the sky. The thing is very basic understanding of the language will clear up any kind of confusion, which is paneling and it's quite shocking. There seems to be, you know, I think bad intentions involved when analyzing
some of these verses are contrived, isn't
an interesting and interesting one is the verse in sort of a nutshell. Yeah.
Because it is the case that we have, you know, queen bees the queen bee is obviously a female bee. Some people have tried to talk about how it is a female bee and now
The verse is talking in the feminine, you know the verse and source and?
So let's do it. What do you think of this?
The thing is, again, from a linguistic point of view, you know, the lower we know the in Arabic language, there's quite a few different forms of the Arabic language, you know, each tribe would have to come to you have a lot of courage, you have the time, the language of courage, and you have different dialects. Yeah.
Generally, the load of hedges would refer to, in a feminine way in the first place.
What you're saying
right now, handler, absolute in his have said, okay, he refers to this, of course, will be removed. And he also mentioned this as well. So it could mean that it's in purely linguistic construct, as well. And this is general, most of them have assumed sake, but they don't actually obviously refer to the kind of what you mentioned.
interesting. So why it's so interesting. And obviously, it's something that they see Africa in the context would dictate.
Okay, well, guys, I mean, that we've covered quite quite a bit here. Actually, I think we've covered all that we need to cover for today. And in fact, we've only got one more major episode left of this in Sharla. So we're going to do one more episode on this, and inshallah, with that, we're going to kind of see if there's any stones unturned and turn them and make sure that we're covering every major getting contracts with us all. Yeah, Brother Mohammed. And if there's any art, for example, which you want us to analyze, we shall leave it either leave it in the comments, or send me an email, but probably living in a homeless is better.
Yeah, so we're trying to finish everything up. So obviously, if there's anything that you want to do, it is the best chance to do it is now like, make sure that we get if there's something we have not already covered, because and by the way, before you do that, make sure that you cover what we've already covered. So kind of look at look at what we've already done before, because that way you would have known, okay, what's already out there. But anyways, for next until next time, we'll see you.
When we see you.
We'll finish off the series in sha Allah. And it will be hopefully a reference for anyone who is in doubt or doesn't know, the references and the resources. We're trying to bring that closer to you