The Trials Of Imam Ahmed
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smeller Hara Haim and hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen wa Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah I mean, while he was here Jemaine about. So as we advertised today we're talking about the trials of Imam Ahmed Mohamed Mohamed Rahim Allah the scholars said, and the historians they said multifamily Phil Islam, Lola Homa Leonhardt, often Islam, they said there are two positions or two, like incidents in Islam, had it not been for these two incidents, Islam would have changed. It wouldn't be the same religion that we would have today. And they said the first is the position of obika sodic. On the day of Ryda, when a good number of the Arabian Peninsula apostatized and left Islam work remain firm and he
insisted on fighting those who refused to fight Zika had it not been for this stance of Abu Bakr, we would have received Islam today that had no Zika in it. And the second is the position of Imam Muhammad of the humble during the Magna or the fitna of the creation of the Quran. Had he not stood firm, we would have received an Islam today where we believe that the Quran is not the speech of Allah, but it is the creation of Allah subhanaw taala. So that's what we're going to look at. And obviously with the time allotted, we're going to be brief, I believe, during the COVID yr i, we still have it on YouTube page. We did this in kind of more detail, probably a four hour or something
like that, like for one hour,
lectures or something. So remember, my dad was born in the year one 164 After the Hijrah, in the month of Robert Irwin, his name was Ahmed Abdul Mohammed in humble inhaler in Sri Idris in Abdullah. So, the son of Muhammad, the son of humble but he's known as the son of humble, even the humble is his grandfather, but it's referred to as his last name, because he was a soldier and a popular individual. So he was known by the more famous of his father's by his grandfather, humbard, he was born some generations see he was born in Maduro, but he more accurately was born in Baghdad, and he was an orphan, his childhood, his relationship with his mother, I must admit that Jani after the
Prosser lemon, Abu Bakr, and Omar like I, there is not a biography that I love more than that. But it's really, really amazing. So he was born an orphan. He says, I never saw my father nor my grandfather never saw any of them. He was born an orphan. And he and his mother were extremely poor, very, very poor lot of stories about their poverty. But one of the things he would do, he would go to the marketplaces. And when people would load up their camels and their other animals with their merchandise, sacks of wheat, or barley, or what have you, there'll be some holes in these, these bags, and some grains would fall on the ground. So he would from his poverty, he would go down on
the ground and just pick up grains of barley and wheat for hours. And there'll be a small handful or maybe two handfuls after hours of collecting from the sand, and they would wash it and they would boil it and they would eat that m&s mother is very, very poor. And he had a great relationship with his mother, he would obey her no matter what, even under peer pressure. One time, the river overflowed, and his mother would be afraid for him. When the river overflows, you tell him don't jump like everyone else jumps. And he was with his friends and they all jumped and he refused. They said, Come on, let's go. And he said, No, my mother doesn't allow me. Like as a young man, you know,
you think peer pressure, whatever, they think I'm scared and he would just do it, but he wouldn't do that. A man said and eyewitnesses couldn't do. The humble your Helaine whoo hoo avala. She said I used to see Hamilton Humbert he would pray the whole night and prayer extend the night, not the whole night. He would stand in Korea, while he's Walla Walla is a word you use for like a nine year old 10 year old 11 like that. So he was since his childhood from the people of camp. And there are many other incidents during his childhood that show His righteousness and the level of Taqwa that he had as a child, the level of knowledge that he had. So one of the one of the people commenting he
said in one of the rituals
She said I bring my children, the teachers and demean them or Adib is this person that you brought, and they will teach your children you know, they'll teach them etiquette and manners and language and poetry. He says, I bring them a debate and I pay them a lot of money to teach my children and I don't see anything. And here's 100 and 100, an orphan young boy and his poor, but look at his look at his knowledge, look at how much he knows and his manners. So he spent his youth like that I'm just skipping some of these parts that really gets you to fall in love with the character, but his youth was spent in worship and spent in seeking knowledge. And he had great teachers, just some of
the famous ones that we're going to mention, but he had many teachers and many of them were great and famous in their times, but of the less known names in our times, but of them was abusive. This is a name that's familiar to us we use of was was one of the or the students of Imam Abu Hanifa Rahim Allah and he's the one who spread the Hanafi madhhab. We have Abu Bakr is one of the great scholars popular and known who shamoon Bashir, one of his teachers will say I don't know Jarrod, which was the friend of Imam Shafi and the famous lines of poetry should go to Illa okay into a heavy that's the one
Imam Shafi himself was one of his teachers later on, and after Rezac a tsunami of drugs aka tsunami was a scholar that became that was so well known and so popular that if at the time if his view said up the result, nobody said which one
it was the abdulrazaq Everybody knew how goes up in Santa and Yemen that's the abdulrazaq Nobody said which I've done is like in in Houston Inquisition salah. You also show Saleh Ali Mohammed Salah
anyways, that's the results and Annie so if you want to become famous and known scholar, Sophia, no, no one of his teachers had to say they'll cut back on another popular name. And another who is very famous at the time is my age. No. Oh, yeah, really? Yeah. And there are others. But this just a short list, including a man by the name of yours Eid IGNOU. Harun is even Harun was a major scholar at the time. And he was actually one of the reasons why the Khalifa al Moon delayed the fitna. He didn't make it public out of fear of have no harm. Oh, yes, he did no harm. He was afraid that if I say go right and no one goes left the Omo follow this great scholar. That's the amount of influence
that this show had. And he was such a great scholar, but he used to respect Imam Ahmed, even though that was his student who's to respect him Allah. One of the things I like about is even when he used to joke a lot, he used to love joking, and Imam Ahmed, from his personality, he didn't like joking. He didn't like the chef to be telling jokes or making people laugh. So out of respect for Imam Ahmed, is even the heroine would not tell jokes if Ahmed was in the gathering. And one day he couldn't seem mature. He thought he's not there. So he started joking. And I
did this. So when he saw him, he smacked his forehead. And he told the other students, why didn't you tell me that somebody was here so that I wouldn't joke that was is even the horror.
The fitna of the creation of the Quran started during the reign of the Khalifa, Al moon, then it continues with his brother and mortal sin, then it continues with the Leviathan, who really ended it, but it was a little motto kill who came after who officially ended it. And
so, we had a moon. So it started during the relevant Moon Moon, he was knowledgeable, and he started to bring the books and the writings of the Persians and the Greeks, and he was surrounded by such people. And he was surrounded by a group that surfaced surfaced later on during that time, known as Mr. Tesla, Tesla, and Mr. Tesla, they had certain issues with the names and attributes of Allah subhanaw taala. And historically, there are some names involved in that but there was a judge with Durham, there was a Geminus of one and Bishop, another yet known as bishop L. Medici. And it's a combination of these teachings that eventually led to and formed what is known as this group as an
El martes Zilla. And
then basically one of their issues is that they said that Allah subhanaw taala and Michelle
Medici also said this specifically, he said that Allah azza wa jal does not speak, doesn't talk
by the Quran is the speech of Allah. No, it's not. According to him, he said it's not the speech of Allah is the creation Allah created the Quran, but he did not speak to what's your problem with Allah speaking.
They said that Allah is Kadeem and Kadeem and something that's ancient or has been there for a long time. And speech is something that is renewable, and they didn't see that it was appropriate for a being or for Allah subhanaw taala, who is constant, to have a quality that can be renewed, you speak, you bring new speech, and then you stay quiet, and then you speak. So they said, This is not befitting and so in order trying to respect Allah, they went into something a lot more disrespectful. And they said that the Quran is not the speech of Allah. Even though Allah in the Quran says it's a speech that hadith say it's the speech. This is what we believe about it, that
it's the speech of Allah azza wa jal, but they're saying No, Allah does not speak. So he created the Quran. So what would be the big deal if Allah created the Quran, there's some a number of issues, number one, anything that's created, so Allah is perfect, and his creation is imperfect. So when you say the Quran is created, you're automatically implying that it is not perfect, and that it will have mistakes and shortcomings and so on and so forth. And everything that is created has an end and there are many other issues but the biggest problem really is Allah subhanaw taala speaks and now you're saying he does not have this attribute and he does not have this quality. And it just
historically got worse like they will say Allah has wisdom is an Hakeem he has a coma, or he had he is the wise, but he doesn't have wisdom. He is the merciful but it does not have mercy. Which is doesn't make any sense if I told you this person is intelligent, but it doesn't have any intelligence you would turn to me and say why would you call him the intelligent one if he has no intelligence? So why is Allah the merciful if he has no mercy and the wise if he has no wisdom or without wisdom?
Anyways, so what happened was
yeah, Haroon Rashid when he saw Harun Al Rashid, he is the father of Moon Khalifa before Rashid was wise, and he was what well educated and understand, understood his religion, Harun Rashid, when he heard of vitual Medici talking about his nonsense and saying the Quran is not the speech of Allah, Allah doesn't speak the Quran is created. He said,
If Allah subhanaw taala unites me with him, and if I ever see Vishal monistic Mercy, the Aquila, now I'm going to have Him executed. If I ever see Bishop mercy, I'm going to execute him immediately. So Vishal and Medici went into hiding and never resurfaced until our own or Rashid died, Rahim Allah, and only after that. And then I mean, which is the brother of moon, then when moon came, and I mean, his mother, he had an Arab mother, and Moon did not have an Arab mother. What does that mean? It means he was with those people, meaning the non Arabs. And he started, as we said, to accept the writings of the Persians and the Greeks, and that would translate these works. And he was with that
crowd. And it's that crowd that had demonetised Zillow amongst them, and they're the ones who started to convince him of the views of the material that the Quran has created. It's it's not the speech of Allah and it's created. So in the beginning, he was afraid to go public because of your zip, no heroin, as I told you, and he waited, and six years after the death of yours, you did no harm. And only then did he publicly start going forward with this new beliefs. And they didn't go forward by having discussions or anything like that. They were going to force people upon their belief, you have to believe what we're saying or you're going to be imprisoned, you're going to be
executed. That's how they had discussions. There's a man and this name is going to come up a lot. His name was Mohammed.
Mohammed Nabi, was one of the leaders of the martyrs Zilla and he found a way to be close to a Moon Moon trusted him he became his advisor, his right hand man. And to the point that moon put it in his in his will and on his deathbed insisted to his brother to make sure that he keeps him going,
as his minister or his right hand man and keep him close to him, and to continue upon the belief concerning the Quran that it's the creation and not the speech of Allah subhanaw taala
So he's telling him even on his deathbed so that's one name I'm going to add he's gonna be there during the time. Moon and then Elmo awesome and worth he's gonna be there the whole time. And then we have is half evidently Brahim is hotter. Blue Brahim was the chief of police in Baghdad. So is the guy in charge of everything in Baghdad and he is the one that would really like replace the Khalifa because at this point, the philosopher the capital of the Chalav was moved to Baghdad. And when the Khalifa would leave and go somewhere else for the summer is happening. Abraham is the guy in charge in his place.
And so, the Khalifa now traveled in the summer, he would go camp out in another area, he wrote a letter to his Hakkasan Ibrahim, chief of police about that, and he said,
to test all the judges of Baghdad concerning what they believe about the Quran, is it the speech of Allah? Or is it created by Allah? So the scholars then he in the beginning, he wrote set names of seven scholars, he said, test these seven people. And he didn't pick from the top tier level of scholars, just seven of the known scholars that ask them and the then started to question numbers, how can I remember him invited them all seven, one by one. And he started to ask them? And he said.
He said, What do you believe about the Quran? Is it the speech of Allah? Or is it the creation of Allah? Some of them said, I, it's the speech of Allah. But if I made a minion wants me to say it's the creation of Allah, I'll say it. So it's half of Ibrahim says, well, at the moment, he didn't say that. He just is asking about what you believe.
And there were certain names and there were these scholars that shouldn't have. But then today's the first seven, he asked his questions, and they're saying, This is what we believe. Are we supposed to say otherwise? He says, Not yet. You're not just testing you just getting some feedback here. Then he starts to the second round of questioning, they're questioning different colors. What do you say about the Quran? One of them was his name was Abu
Kota. Basically, he was one of one of the contemporaries of Imam Muhammad. And when he came out, he agreed that the Quran was created. He came back he said, confirmed our original Yeah, and we went in with disbelief. Then we came out. So he tells his servant, he says, he says bring the mule for in Namo locka could cover he tells his servant bring bring the meals so we get out of here. Indeed, your your master became a Catholic today.
Anyways, so Imam Ahmed, all the scholars that start to agree that the Quran has created his Imam Muhammad give a fatwa, you're not to narrate a Hadith from them. You're not to write down any fatwa from them, and that the major scholars should not pray over them. Yeah, Hypno mind, we used to be a very close friend of Imam Muhammad, and he came to visit him one time, and Imam Muhammad was sick. This is later on, he came to visit him, and Imam turned his back to him. So he's on his bed, he turned around and didn't say a single word to him refuse to speak to him, never forgave them for saying or breaking and saying that the Quran is the creation of Allah, another by the name of me, he
came to visit Mr. Muhammad when he opened the door. And so it was him he closed the door in his face refused to talk to them. He was very upset with them. Because now we have the the first group there were saying, okay, the seven that were asked, they were saying that if you want me to say it, I'll say it's not a problem. The second group also begins to agree. So they're being questioned by the chief of police and they're saying, Okay, it's created, or some would say, Well, I believe it's the speech of Allah, but if you want me to say that, otherwise I will say it.
So, there is one for example, by the name of Bill has an A z, d. And
he, he asked him, he was asked, so what is the Quran? He said, Kalam, Allah, the speech of Allah, He says, and Allah created everything. So he's saying the Quran is the speech of Allah, and Allah created everything, and anything besides Allah is created. Right? Anything wrong and what he's saying the the
Quran is the speech of Allah, and Allah created everything, and everything that is not Allah is created. Make sense?
So then he asked him again, and he read the letter of the Khalifa to him, Khalifa now is starting to be severe in his language against those who are going to be either on the fence or saying that the Quran is the speech of ALLAH. So he says, the scholar responded to him, he said, That's the opinion of Amira Mini. If he commands me to say it, I'm going to say it. So it's half of my brain tells me he didn't say that yet. So then he calls him Muhammad. So you're saying what he's saying what he's tried to do. He said, The Quran is the speech of Allah. But then he said, he left room he said, everything besides Allah has created. So it's like hinting like I'm kind of agreeing with you. But
he's not explicitly saying, then it was the Imam Muhammad turn. And they said, What do you think of the Quran? He said, Kurama Allah, the speech of ALLAH.
So he asked him Is it created? He said Kalam, Allah? I'm not gonna tell you everything besides the speech of Allah.
So when he said, laser committed, he was Samuel Basu, there is nothing like him like Allah. And he is the old hearing, all seen. So someone at the audience said, allow me to speak and he got up and I was trying to create problems. So he tells us the Chief of Police is happening Rahim. He says he's saying that Allah subhanaw taala hears with ears and speaks with a mouth. And that was never said by Imam Muhammad, nor any of the people of the Sunnah ever said that Allah speaks with a mouth, and no one ever described Allah in such a way, you know, and there is a rule that we don't attribute to Allah that which he did not attribute to himself. You know, it was a trick question that goes, does
Allah hear you say yes. Or doesn't anything that hears have an ear? Yes. So does Allah have ears? So the poor guy fell into it? He said, Yes. No, the rule is, you don't affirm to Allah azza wa jal, anything that he has not affirmed to himself has done
So then, basically,
what happened now are large group of people agreed, a large group of scholars and judges in Baghdad agreed that the Quran is created, and it's not the speech of Allah. A very small group of scholars said no, the Quran is the speech of Allah, uncreated. It is not the creation of Allah azza wa jal, and then a middle group Jonnie in size, not too big, not too small. They said, we'll go either way. If the Emir insists that we say the Quran is credible, say it right now we're saying it's a speech of Allah.
There's a scholar by the name of Edinburg cap, Akbar, just showing you how different people responded. They came to him and they said is the Quran created? He said the Quran is mature only maturity because Allah says in Nirjala who Quran and RRBs we made it an Arabic Quran. So
So then he asked him, he said, Isn't everything that is Maduro created?
He said, Yes. So you see, he's trying to kind of like find a way out, but not be very explicit. If everything is made your own, made, if everything is made, it's created. So I'm kind of saying indirectly that it's created. There were others who came. And they were asked, What do you think of the Quran? What do you say about the Quran, he said, the Quran, the Injeel, the Torah, the Cebu, the sahaba. All these are created, all these five are created.
You understand? They mean, all these fingers of mine are created. They're playing with words, so they don't get in trouble. They're saying all these are created. So it sounds like I'm agreeing with you. But I'm saving myself and Imam Muhammad Rahim Allah He saw even though it's permissible for you to say things like this to save your life, but he saw that this was not appropriate, because this is an issue of our belief and our theta, and there are 1000s of people who hang on to your words. And if all the scholars break down and say the Quran is created, then the weight is going to be on the shoulders of very few, whereas if all the scholars stood firmly against that, it will be easier. So
he thought it was unappropriate inappropriate and not excusable for a scholar to say these vague statements just to to free themselves and get themselves out of trouble. Anyways, then the half of number Rahim he writes a letter detailed with the position of every scholar and judge what they said when they were questioned, and then the Khalifa wrote back
Interestingly, the ones that were neutral, he insulted them and called them thieves. And I know that he embezzled and stole money. And this one is nothing but an immature child. And once I whip him, he will understand the truth and badmouth all of them. Except for him. No insults, basically, I will personally deal with him just like a threat. So he said, then those who say no, chain them up and send them to me, I'll deal with them personally. Those who said no, chain them up and bring them to me. There were nine scholars at this point who refuse to say the Quran is the creation of Allah. And when they were told you're going to be chained and sent to the Khalifa and he's going to deal with
you there. Seven of them pulled out. So now we have just two left athma didn't humble Rahim Allah and a young man, a hero by the name of Muhammad ibn No, a young student of knowledge and a student of your Muhammad. Not many people know his name, this young man, he died in this man and the creation of the Quran, he was of just him an Imam Muhammad are the only ones who remain firm. So they chain them up. And they and at this point, by the way, they started questioning all the scholars and judges of Baghdad and the rest of Iraq and Egypt and ages Mecca, Medina
and everyone who said no was put in prison and the prisons instead of being filled with thieves and robbers. They were just loaded and filled with scholars and judges and great people But bit by bit they start to agree and come out of jail until we said there were only nine left and then when they heard they're going to be sent to the Khalifa directly. Several of them also said the Quran is created and to own remain Yes.
what is so wrong to say that it's really even to the extent that they're jealous.
Okay, so why is it wrong to say it's created? Or why is it wrong to say it's
okay, so he's not punishing those who say it's created, He is letting he is letting them go, because that's his position. Moon was surrounded by the Marta Zilla who said, Allah doesn't speak. If he doesn't speak the Quran is not in his speech, therefore the Quran is created. So if you say it's created, you're one of them, you're okay with them, they let you out of jail. So people start to break down and say the Quran is the creation of Allah.
The right one is the Quran is the speech of Allah. And what's the big deal? If you say, okay, so if you say the Quran is created, see, it just opens up a can of worms. And it actually did. Because when they say, Well, okay, Allah doesn't speak. He created the Quran. All right, why? Because if Allah speaks, we speak. We're like Allah. So then they said, Allah doesn't hear why? Because we hear. So if we hear and Allah hears, we're like Allah. And Allah doesn't do this. Because if he does that, and we do that, then we're like him. But no, we're not. Yeah, who in their right mind would think because we can hear that means we hear like how Allah hears no one in the right mind thinks
that even in the animal kingdom, and nobody would think that because this animal can do this, and that one can do it, they do it in the exact same manner. They do it in different ways, each being in a way that B fits. It's being in or in the case of Allah, His greatness and His Majesty. And then it's going to go into knowledge and all kinds of other things as we're going to see in the story, but I gotta move a bit faster I guess. Okay, so now I'm totally
Yeah, so that's exactly right.
They can be and you're a step ahead of us. That's exactly what's gonna be happening in these debates. Good job. So
he says, tie them up, send them to me, and I'm going to treat them with the sword every single one of them. So now what happens? We have
an and of course, not everyone and he backed out some people like named Mohammed or No, I know Hamid. He is an individual, a scholar who wrote 13 books responding to the Buddha and the the AI the super heart of the MATA Zilla, and he's Buhari narrates from nine Muhammad and nessa generates from him to them within a range from him. He was a great scholar, but he died in his chains in Samara.
In Iraq, so Allah so some were brave and they died in their chains. They died in jail before they came out. So, humbled and Muhammad No, these are the only two remaining and now they're on their way. It's just them and the soldiers with their weapons and everything. And these two men are on their chains in their chains, and they're going to meet the Khalifa. On the way, a man from the Stockton area called the rock and a man from Robbie comes and Salah who is the son of Imam Muhammad and also a narrative of Hadith. He he narrates a story from his father, he said
that this man came to him. He's I don't even know the man. Okay, but later on to come to know that his name was Jared. And, and he comes to him. And then he speaks to him so beautifully. Actually, I have the exact lifted, but he tells him that do not respond to what they're calling you to. And he tells them between you and Jana is that you're killed? And what would it harm you if you were killed here today, and you enter a Jana here today. And he tells him, if you were killed, you die a martyr in mitta mitta Shahidan. And if you live, you live a hero. And if you make it past this, and you live, you will be a hero, you stood firm, and people will idolize you and they'll always know what
you did for Islam. And if you die today, you will die a martyr and you enter agenda today. So he's telling him be firm, and you might have matured, from what he said to me was what kept me strong during this entire thing. So, the last stop before they meet the Khalifa.
He says a servant of the moon comes into me and he's in tears. And he says it is what Allah He your soul. The Khalifa has unsheathed a sword that he has not unsheathed in a long time. And he has sworn by His blood relations to the prophets of Allah Azza This is the Ibis dynasty. And no it's not permissible to swear by anything besides Allah. Okay. But he said he is sworn by his relationship to the prophets. I love that he's gonna kill you with that sword. So Imam Ahmed, when that happened, he prayed and finished the prayer he put his hands up, and he made dua to Allah. And he says your Allah, your patience with this man has diluted them to the point that he thinks you can do whatever
he wants. He says your Allah if the Quran is your speech, uncreated, then basically save us from this man. He finished from the dry put his hands down, he heard commotion, yelling, people making noises left and right, what happened? They tell him the Khalifa just died.
So the Khalifa just died. And now they don't know what to do with them and Muhammad, what are we gonna do with you? So they turned back to Baghdad. So now it's him and Mohammed bin by themselves going on the road, with all the whip the floggers and all the soldiers with their weapons. And they're just being with their chains walking all the way back. And on the way Muhammad had been off this young man, he got he falls ill. And before he does, he starts to give advice to him and Muhammad telling him that I'm a nobody, but you you are known and people look to you and people quote you. So be firm and do not agree to what they're calling you to. And then he dies. And when he
dies, Muhammad washes him shrouds him and prays over him and they buried him and he is buried just somewhere on the road to Baghdad. Nobody knows where his grave is. And young man. But he gave up his life for this. Even though many people don't know what he did and what kind of a hero he was.
So then he says
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that was put in his prison. And because they want to know, until the next Khalifa takes over what's going to happen to him. So they leave him in prison. And his grandson, Mohammed, he narrates I would visit him with my father Salah, the Salah, the son of him, so that would visit him with my father and a group of other people. And we actually read a book, and he explained it to us during that period while he was in prison. He was explaining and teaching us and then we asked him, you lead the prayer in your chains. Like he's chained up and he's leading the salon, he's got all these other people. They follow him in the Salah, and he tells him yesterday and he gives him the the evidence
that the companions were jailed after this battle and they were praying in their chains. So even though he's in jail, he's still teaching and explaining books. And one time and you can imagine these prisons and how
Hot it is in Baghdad, and there's no fan no AC. So it's just one time the prison guard brought him a bowl of water, and it had the ice in it, you can understand how rare ice was like they would bring it from mountaintops and bring it quickly and you can't preserve it in a freezer or anything. So he brought him ice cold water, and the man was dying of thirst. So he grabbed it. And he looked at it. Then he asked the guard, he said, Do you have enough ice for everyone in the prison? And he said, No. He said, then how can I drink water with ice and everyone else drinks regular water. And he gave it back. And these are just the subtle things that just make you love this man or himolla Just out
of just what I should talk a lot. Next time you guys have given me more ice also on you remember me put some on the side of
amazing, amazing, amazing
so his uncle is have they been humbled. His uncle comes to him. And he's in his uncle is one of those who agreed they don't believe he didn't believe the Quran was created. But he just for the sake of, you know, just getting out of this problem. He agreed. So he told them, it's permissible for you in Islam, to say something to save your life and why do you have to put yourself in this position? So he tells him my response to him? What would you do with the hadith of hubbub of no hubbub? The companion Law, the Law No. And this is a man that was tortured so severely that decades later, during the life of Omar, he takes off his shirt, he shows the scars on his back, and I want
to look at Bob can't believe it. He says ma he took a young algebra. So what is this? He's never seen injuries like this. These are the punishments of hubbub Avila on who went through and habla de la and who went to the porcelain and he didn't even complain. He didn't complain. He said to the prophets have said Allah, Allah Allah, Allah to stone sirloin. Will you not make dua for us? Will you not make dua for victory for us? That's all he said. And the Prophet I'm set up and then he says so this is the part that Mr. Muhammad quotes to his uncle is how he says in mankind Kubla Khan, whom can a human shadow a how to home Bill mon SHA, from the people before you from the believers before
you one of them would be cut in half with a Saul.
And that would not get him to leave his religion. So he said, What do I do with this hadith is Uncle stolen, just say anything and get out of it? He's saying what do I do with this hadith, people used to be cut in half, and they would remain firm and not leave their deen and your me just because of prison quickly, just back down.
He used to say Muhammad used to say I don't fear imprisonment. It's the same as my homie or in a room in prison at home here in a row. Okay, he said, I don't fear the sword, not afraid of death. So what I'm really afraid of is the whip. really afraid of the whip. And he's, he was physically a very thin and very weak man, physically. And he's human, and he's afraid of the whip and he's afraid that the whip will be too difficult for him to withstand. And he might break down and say what they want to say. He says then a criminal in the prison who's arrested for some other crime hurt him and he tells him Don't worry about it. Look, is just the first to that hurt then you don't feel the rest.
I've had a lot of
and it's it's beautiful. It's amazing how scholars would tell him I say it Allah has given you an excuse. You don't have to withstand this. And the criminal is the one who makes him Braves look only the first to hate hurt Don't worry about the rest. And he said when he said that to me it made me feel comfortable. And he tells him You don't know where the rest fall you won't feel it. He said when this guy said that to me it made me courageous and made me feel comfortable. So the next Khalifa is Alma AutoSum and Marcus him is a soldier. He was not studious. He was not even well spoken many times in his the Khalifa he would be speaking and he would make mistakes, grammatical
mistakes and it was embarrassing and it looked really bad. The story behind his ignorance when he was a young boy remember his father's huddled Haroon Rashid and now he's got his brother's helmet mourn, and he's got a worth right. But he was only ignorant one amongst them.
When he was young, he used to hate school. And one day one of his
what they call co students was called Zuma law.
Classmate Thank you very much. One day one of his classmates died. So when he told the news to his father, he said so and so died, Allah read to him
that is like I'm delighted to have to deal with school he died at least doesn't have to deal with school. So Harun Rashid said, you hate school that much.
So it took him out of school.
Later on as a grown man, and as a Khalifa making mistakes and not being very bright up here. He regretted he didn't look back and say my father Rahim Allah, may Allah reward him took me out of school, he would, he would say, the love of how our own destroyed us and heroines love and spoiling me and taking him out of school because out of love, it was damaging to me. I wish he kept me in school so I could, you know, learn and be presentable. And at least when I speak, I'm eloquent. So he regretted I'm just repeating the story is for the youth in the audience. Who hate schools wish they could just leave school. When you grow up. You will regret not going to school you won't be
like, Oh, it was great. I had a great childhood. Like no, I wish I went to school. All right.
so the boss him now.
He is this was in the in Ramadan. 17th of Ramadan. He's still been in prison his whole time is half of none Brahim.
He said, it's half of new Rahim would send me two men every day to debate with me, I was wearing one chain, had the chain from my arms to my legs, two men would come and debate with me. And every time the debate is over, they would order another chain. So the first day they asked for another chain as to now then the third day they would order a third chain, these chains are huge, they're heavy. And so he said, by the end of the third day, I had four chains on me, they're heavy and he's weak. And
these two men while they were debating me, he goes into the debate. He says, I asked them
so you're saying Allah speech, Allah does not speak. But he created the Quran. Because by then he says, Okay, what about Allah's knowledge? Are you going to tell me that's created? What's What's the link here? So when you start to say that the attributes of Allah are created, now we can apply that to all the other attributes. Allah doesn't speak. So had to create the Quran as instead of speaking, so now every attribute you're gonna say it's created. So he got them here he goes on Muhammad Rahim Allah He said, Okay, what about the knowledge of Allah Allah was created.
And one of them said, Yes. The two men that debate him said yes. So I'm gonna tell him go forward. You become a disbeliever. So the guard, he doesn't understand this stuff. It's too deep for him. It's over his head. The guard gets angry with him. Ahmed said this is the messenger of a mutual Mortmain How could you say that to him? So I'm a dumbs it down for the guard. He says, This man is saying that Allah's knowledge is created. That means before He created his knowledge, he had no knowledge. And how could he create his knowledge when he didn't have any knowledge? How to have the knowledge to create knowledge when he didn't have any knowledge, said the guard then started giving
this guy a dirty look you just standing there looking at him like How could you even a simple guard so what was wrong with all the stuff that they were saying?
So then he tells him, whoever says the Quran is created is a Catherine and whoever says the knowledge of Allah has created is a Kaffir. And whoever says the names of Allah created is a Catherine. So now
a sent message is sent to him from is Hakeem Rahim, the chief of police. He says, Will Allah here it's your soul, and you're gonna die. And the Halifa has sworn to not kill you with the sword and he's going to whip you and throw you in a place where there is no sun and he will continue to beat you until you die. So then now he's going to send him to the new Khalifa. So he said let me try one more time chief of polices let me give it a shot. Since Yeah, he Allah Subhana Allah says in Jannah who Quran and Arabic we made it an Arabic Quran
isn't everything that is made created. So Mr. Mohammed, this is the first time hearing this argument immediately responds to him when Allah subhanaw taala says inserted feed vagina home cause cool and he made them cast immaculate like like a crop that has been trampled and eaten just that visual. So he said that Allah create them to look like that or who made any what is gyla home hear me? Did Allah create them all over again? So when Allah says Jana who Quran and RB and we made it an Arabic Quran means week
created it. And what Allah made them look like this destroyed, you know, corn stalks his cornfield did he make create them all over again. So it's horrible. Abraham saw that he had no chance he gave up and he sent him to the Khalifa.
he says the took me to the Khalifa and I had all these chains on me and I almost fell on my face trying to get out of the boat that took us across the river. And they put me in a small room in a house. And it was completely dark didn't give me any lights, pitch black. So I started to touch around on the ground until I found a large bowl filled with water, and I made will do and I prayed. So he spent the night in prayer. In the morning I was taken to the Khalifa. And we're going to look at it through
the narration and the eyewitness account of a man by the name of zulay man as sudsy he says there was a crowd outside the palace of the Khalifa like it was eat. And I basically he says I found my way in and I found a mat that was placed in front of a chair. And while I was standing there in Malta, Simla Khalifa walked in, and he sat down, and he took both his shoes off. And then he put one foot for one leg on top of the other crossed his legs. And then he said, Yeah, they had brought him on Muhammad already. Speak and don't be afraid. So my mama tells him Wallahi I have entered upon you. And there is not a small ounce of fear in my heart. So it doesn't come close. Muhammad got
closer, come closer, got close. He says Sit down. And I said I sat down and my chains were so heavy and he I was relieved to sit down. So he tells him what do you call to? He asked me Mama. Muhammad said a shadow Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola, Wanda Muhammad Rasulullah the Shahada. So the Khalifa says and I witnessed that as well. Or the Khalifa says that and Imam Ahmed says I also witnessed that that La La La masala then you want Muhammad Thor's to tell him a hadith and the Hadith. It's the rage and narration from Edna Abbas and it was a smart choice. Because of my boss. This is our best dynasty. So this is like their ancestors of of nobis. It's a big deal to them. So he told him this hadith
going back to nobis, in which
the when the Prophet SAW Selim was approached by the delegation was case, and the Prophet Salam tells them the pillars of Islam and he tells them this is it. This is Islam. This is Ima, so the Khalifa is quiet, then he says, had not found you in the hands of the Khalifa before me. I wouldn't have spoken to you would have left you alone. Then Abdullah is hot. This is another person I believe in his heart. He so the Khalifa turns to go live in his house. He says Didn't I tell you to stop with his whole creation of the Quran thing? And my thought to himself is Allahu Akbar is going to be an ease for the believers. And if this fitna is finished, then he turned to is horrible.
Yeah, is there an eternity?
And he said, What do you say about the Quran? He said Kalam Allah, the speech of Allah. And then
he says, Okay, do you have any proof for that? He said, Yes, the verse where Allah Subhana Allah says when I had a minute Misha, Ricky Anastasia Raka, Judah who need HUD diverse ends with HUD, yes, Ma, Kala Mala until he hears the speech of Allah. The Quran here the verses saying, if any of the disbelievers ask for your protection and give them your protection, and escort him all the way to their place of safety or their home, until he can hear the speech of ALLAH. So he said, The Quran is the speech of Allah clear from the Quran. He says, Do you have anything else he said? Allah azza wa jal says or Rama Allameh Quran Allah taught the Quran he didn't say Allah created the Quran. He
said, Do you have anything else? He said? Allah says yes seen well Quran and Hakeem, and he didn't say well, Quran and Mahalo, the creative Quran, he's trying to tell them, there is never a verse of describe the Quran that it was created. And we have verses mentioning that it's the speech of Allah. So the Khalifa was shaken. And,
and then he broke up the gathering. And then next day, day two, they gathered everyone again. And he came in, he sat down, and he says, yeah, how were you in your prison cell last night? That was good, except something strange happened. He said, What happened? He said, I made will do and I prayed and Fatiha, and then saltiness, then the second rock alpha, and then sort of fell up. And then I recited the Fatiha and I wanted to recite
I said that Nashville first one was a flood. So I wanted to switch over to NASA again. But I couldn't. So I tried to recite from anywhere in the Quran. I couldn't. And then when I looked over in the corner I found the Quran a died. So I took it, I washed it, I shrouded it. I prayed over it and I buried it. So the Khalifa remember he's not a very bright guy. He says Why does the Quran die? He said that's what you say. You said it's created and everything that's created dies or has an end Kuranda last night so the Khalifa being a dim witted he goes Kohana parinama dama destroyed us and with all the other intelligent arguments only this one destroyed you he's
destroyed us so then he goes debate him he's talking to all the scholars at the montage illustrating that debate him talk to him
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so, so he says, destroy this. He says, now he yells at the scholars around him. It doesn't just come debate with him talk to him. And
he will say yeah, I'm gonna
talk to him debate him. So Muhammad is how he got up and he said, What do you say of the Quran? He wants to start over? So what do you say of the Quran?
What do you say of the knowledge of Allah? He sat down quickly, he saw that was a trap. Because if he said the knowledge of Allah has created, he knew we have a problem. You're now saying there was a time when Allah didn't have knowledge? And how did he create his knowledge or who credit is not? You go into a hole deep well of cover here. So if you're denying the attribute of Allah of knowledge, then the in the same way you can deny the attribute of or if you denied the speech, you can deny the knowledge. So the minute he saw the truck, he sat down, said then a second one got up, he asked me a question. I responded to him, he sat down, a third guy got up, asked me a question. I answer him, he
sits down, fourth guy sits down. And every time he said I would turn to the Khalifa, and I would say, give me something from the book of Allah or the Sunnah of his messenger so that I may say it don't give me this nonsense. Give me something from the Quran. I'll say the same as you say, give me a hadith I'll say the same. Another person would get up who would knock them down and it turned to the Khalifa give me something from the book of Allah or the Sunnah of His messenger? And I'll say it. So it says, And you only speak from what is in the Quran and what is from the Sunnah. He is astray and he is leading people astray. Yeah. Miramont meaning you have the judges here, ask them
and see what they think. So the honey faster judges and they all said he is misleading and he is misled, and he will lead people astray. He said then we start arguing again, and my voice would go louder than their voice or debating in front of the Khalifa.
And then one of them jumps up he says, What about the hadith of Bob? You will never get close to Allah with something that is dear to him a hug boo la min. Kala May the Tesla guy said this, Mohammed said, I just looked back at him and I said, Kayla, more.
Yeah, and if the guy in the heat of the argument wants to give a hadith he gives a hadith saying this is a speech of ALLAH. So he tells him Yeah, his speech, he just repeated that last part. And the men sat down and just started looking at him Anglicans.
said, Allah subhanaw taala created everything. Agreed. The Quran is a thing yes or no?
Hollis, we're done. How would you respond to that? Allah created everything. Is the Quran a thing or not?
It is harmless. We're done. So then remember these arguments, Imam Ahmed is hearing them for the first time he doesn't like he didn't like prepare for them or anything. So the mentors of Allah created everything is the Quran nothing. We're done. So it tells him the wind that Allah subhanaw taala sent. He described in the Quran to the Miro Kula che, it destroys everything. So he said, did it destroy everything? He said, Yes, destroyed everything. So okay, then how is it in the next verse immediately? Allah Subhana Allah says for us, bahala euro in lamb as you know, how is it the next verse? Allah says, in the morning, nothing could be found or seen except for their homes.
The verse right before it said it will destroy everything. Next verses their homes were left. So how so the man stayed quiet. So Mohammed explains them, this is the origin.
It destroyed everything that could be destroyed, but their homes were built of stone carved into the mountains could not be destroyed. In the same way Allah subhanaw taala created everything everything that could be destroyed, but the speech of Allah the Quran is the speech of Allah and it's from the attributes of Allah cannot be created.
So he sat down.
The whole time came, the Khalifa says Can everyone get up? So except Emma Muhammad, the Khalifa and Ahmed
and or Abdullah in this house, actually? And then he says, Yeah, Hamid Khalifa is telling him I'm Muhammad Yama. Do you know Saul? Rashidi Dino Salah Rashidi. He said, he was my dad, he's the one who taught me manners etiquettes poetry. He says, I mentioned the Quran and he disagreed with me. And I had him beaten and he's telling him someone dear to me and my mentor, I had him beaten way think I'm going to do to is threatening him. So Mr. Mohammed
stayed quiet. Then he says, and you're not from those who wish to come and frequent us and visit is trying to say now that you are those who don't see the I'm the legitimate Khalifa. So Abdullah in his heart he jumps in he says, I've known him for 30 years. He sees obedience to the Khalifa is not like one of those rebels. He sees Hajj and obedience to you. So then the Khalifa says why in the whole of Aki wala he's okay with Allah in the hula on him, Allah, he is a scholar. And it would be pleasing to me to have him on my side debating on my sight. He says, give me any leeway, just give me anything. And I will free you with my own hands. And I will imagine the Khalifa saying this to
just just say something to me, and I will free with my own hands. And I will walk behind him. He was telling Abdullah, I will in front of him. I will free him with my own hat. And I will walk behind him. And I will write to him and I will become his student and I will ride he won't come to me. I will write to him. very enticing because he was saying I'll let you go with my own free hands.
What do you say? He said, Give me something from the book of Allah or the Sunnah of His Messenger SallAllahu sallam, and I'll say it so Khalifa just got up, sent me to prison. Then the next day.
Yeah, actually the same day. They sent him a hammer they've never do, and other people. And he said these people sat down. One of them used to be from the students of a chef A, but he switched to their side under pressure and what have you. So they debated with me until Maghrib. And then they brought food and they ate and I didn't eat with them. He used to consider the wealth of the Khalifa haram he didn't know where it came from. And he would take things by force. So he never ate the food of the Khalifa. He said so they ate at mothership and I was
fasting, but I didn't eat that food. So I just pretended to be busy with other things until they took the food and they left. They spent the whole night without breaking his fast.
So nobody comes to him and he says, What do you say the Khalifa says what do you say? What's your response? He says, Give me something from the book of Allah and the Sunnah of his messenger so that I may say it, he says the Khalifa, Allah, he wrote your name with seven people to be executed, and I erased your name with my own hands.
It's gonna is he said he's going to whip you until death. What do you say? He said, Give me something from the book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger SallAllahu sallam, and I'll say it. The third day, Imam Muhammad said, I expected something's going to happen today. day one, day two, he's he's not gonna be patient with me the whole time and just talk. So he said, I tightened my like my trousers, like extra tight with an extra rope and everything. He said, I hated the idea of being uncovered in front of people have walked into the room was different this time, there were soldiers, weapons with weapons uniforms. And
this is the narration of this event that I witnessed is a man by the name of YBNL Forge. He was working for the government. He said, I saw people close closing their stores, and taking their weapons and running towards the palace of the Khalifa. So I said, what's going on today? He said today, they're, they're going to bring a hammer to the palace. This is the third day and everyone's expecting something's going to happen. So the people brought their weapons, in case they need, they're gonna go and get into it with the soldiers of the Khalifa, a lot of tension in the city. So he said, I had a new someone who's one of the guards of the police. So I went to him and said, Look,
man, can you get me in? I got to see this. So the guy tells him, would you like that? I said, Yeah, so Okay. He brought me fancy clothes, like a nobleman, rich guy, big white belts that they used to wear and all these fancy clothes. Then he brought some people. He said, I want you to bear witness. He's going in, and it's his responsibility. He's going in at his own risk. Is that okay? So I went in first row, he got him like the best seats possible. He said, I was in the first row I looked net left to me was was even as the Yep, big shot this guy, big guy in the government, and we're in a well known figure as well. So able to say it was sitting right next to him. I'm like sitting there.
He said, Then I saw the chair of the Hollywood like a throne and had all kinds of things on it, gems and stuff on it.
And then the Khalifa came and sat down. And he said, Where is this one who says that Allah speaks with two instruments Jonnie tongue and lips. He never had never said that. But that's what they do. Every time you say, Oh, you're saying he has ears like us? They always do that. He said, Bring him to me. So now Muhammad came in saying La hawla wala Quwata illa biLlah. So the Khalifa starts from the beginning. He says, are you 100? He says, Yes, he says, and then he begins to ask him about his position regarding the Quran. So he narrates them a hadith Imam Muhammad narrates Hadith, where Allah subhanaw taala is speaking to Musa so it tells him You have lied about the messenger
SallAllahu sallam. So Mr. Mohammed says, if that was a lie from me, against the prophets, Allah Salam, then what do you have to say about
when Allah says in the Quran? Well, I can Coco Lumini lamb, Lana, Johanna, is saying the verse but the neither speech
or the truth speech for me is that I will fill the Hellfire with humans and jinn. He said, this whole who's making it? If Allah doesn't speak, who is the one who said the truth speech that he's going to fill the Hellfire with humans and Jin? So he was quiet.
She said, so then hammer the deals out, kill him, and his blood is on me. Yeah, and he's on my neck. Don't even worry about this. The sin of I'll take any sin, kill him right now. And the Khalifa was hearing people left and right saying yelling kill him is killed. So he lifted his hand and he struck him Muhammad in his face. And this goes soldier right and an old man and his frail and his weak and he's not been eating. And so Imam Muhammad fainted immediately when he fainted. Remember, we said there were a lot of guards and soldiers and the guards from Surah son, specifically the area who used to work with his grandfather humble we said he's famous. They all took a step or two back. So
they move back to the ranks like they don't approve. The Khalifa heard this commotion and movement. So people start to raise their voice inside. People start to raise people outside with their weapons.
We started surrounding the pilot heard the noises inside they thought maybe they killed him and they started yelling and screaming outside. So the Khalifa got scared. And he said,
get him some water. So they brought him some water is when Mr. Muhammad woke, he found his uncle as Huck had been humbled with the water. So he tells him a statement that means this guy is not an intellectual doesn't know how to go back and forth, but he starts hitting with his hands. So the lever was so mad. He said, Wait, do you see that this man is attacking me like that? They said, Kill Him, and His blood is on us. He said, I swore that I'm not gonna kill him by the sword. So and he cursed him.
And he said, Yeah, and he's like, I know he cursed. And then he said, by my blood relation to the prophets on Sunday,
that I'm going to kill him with whips. He said when he said that everybody just lunged at me and they tore my clothing off of me. And then the Khalifa yells out Cobain, he was slipped. These are these like two poles they used to put up like this, and they would tie your hands to them and the car or the whips. I'm just going to tell you how the whipping was conducted and let's pray. He said he brought the floggers the whispers the floggers one by one okay. He said Bring me the whips. He examined them said these are not good enough. They took them back they brought some more fierce whips.
Look, he said each each person would whip him two times only. So he's got a row of floggers. Each one has a quality whip and each one will give him to full power full strength and then move to the back of the line. Because if each one gives him 50 And by the time you get to 12 colors they start to be weaker, right but they're going to be fresh one to full power next one to next like that. So they will tell him it grip kata Allah Who here that afflict pain may Allah cut off your hand and you want to next one is grip cutter Allah inflict pain may Allah cut off your hand and he would hit one two and move to the back. So then
then the Imam has collapsed and his
his arms dislocated because he said the soldier is telling me to hold on to the poles. I didn't understand what he was saying. And my arms got dislocated when they stretched the rope. So then he collapsed and the Khalifa is in front of him and they're telling him the imam is standing in front of you. And he's kept poking me with the sword. And he's telling the Khalifa is telling you think you can defeat all these people and a year one man, I've got soldiers you've got scholars judges, you think you're gonna defeat everybody in here? And and people are yelling at him as Hakuna Ibrahim Hey, the Khalifa standing answer in response to him. And others are saying kill him kill him. And
then he brings the main guy this guy's like a beast, this main flagger and we're done. This main guy. He says hey, and how many can you kill him? The guy says five and five lashes are killer is five or 10 or 15 Maximum 20 and from five to 20 I'll kill him. So he tells him kill him. And he starts to whip the Imam and everyone in the room is amazed at his patience. How is remaining patient with that? So I'm gonna stop here. I don't know if this will continue another day. I couldn't I thought it was gonna finish the whole thing. Even though I have like four small pages left, but maybe it's a good cliffhanger. We'll finish
up finish another time in sha Allah that McFerrin.
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