The Modernist Movement Part 1

Jamal Zarabozo


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The speakers discuss the history and importance of modernization in various context, including religion, modernity, and the "monarchist movement." They also touch on the use of words like "has" in English to describe actions and emotions, and the "monster" movement in the western world. The speakers emphasize the need for people to think of themselves as Muslims and not just be the "monster" culture.

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The last

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four lectures that I gave in some other city, and I cannot figure out how to put them all into one lecture.

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So instead of just two,

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and he will, over time will inshallah click Complete all four.

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And basically,

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the discussion of the

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the modernists moment,

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which comes under

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a couple of names. Sometimes they're called

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upon, and

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sometimes they're called.

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And they have different,

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different names. But in essence, we are, we're talking about the same same group of people. And we're talking about really a methodology and how to understand them. These people have their own methodology, Angela and one in the last lecture, are actually in two in the last two lectures.

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The purpose of those last two lectures is to, to look at their methodology and compare it to the forearms and then see on what points they are correct in their methodology. And in what points they are incorrect in there. And then

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we're also during this during these lectures.

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And I may be referring to a number of people.

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One of the important and the points that I think I mentioned before in other lectures that I've given

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is that the any whenever

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and whenever we talk about someone else's opinion, or what someone else has said,

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and we do not know what is in the heart of that person. Other words, the person may have the right intention. But what he's saying is wrong.

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And if he has the right intention, would What do you think is wrong? And we still have the obligation to object to what he's saying, and to any correct.

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And if some, some people seems alojado

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they have the intention, for example, to defend Islam, or try to show that Islam is better than other ways of life. If they do they do it in the wrong way. So they're in session, yeah, it might be fine. This will between them and all that kind of data. But for us to accept what they did, and to be silent, and what they're doing has to be correct according to

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what they're doing is not correct according to the to the Quran, Sunnah. It is our obligation to point out that this is wrong.

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This is not proper.

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Secondly, there's

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some debate about whether I should mention actually Matt mentioned the names of people

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with mental health.

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And is this this Yeah, not to mention him. And I agree with him and I also disagree

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and in the past, for example, I will not mention actually the names of the people who I'm talking about.

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But I came to the point where people would say to me that

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these people you're talking about they are unknown people are like you're making some of these things up

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already and you don't mention who they are explicitly so they keep continuing to be popular and people don't notice that these are the same people are talking

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so then I realized that in some occasions at least and you have to mention them by name and get quotes from them and what they said and what the what they did and so forth.

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Support either way.

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You should not discuss someone's faults behind his back. But at the same time if he's giving something which is like public,

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and it is like Canary and they're getting a headache, which is wrong.

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But even Jani isn't one it's allowed to talk about any dependent on you have to apply and it's on

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what is best to mention them or not to mention, and it has some caveats implications if you mentioned me and it will just lead to disaster. So don't mess with the newsroom narrative to zero Yes.

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Yeah, for sure. We'll get to that.

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You jump ahead and no one will listen to

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me the first. The first thing we have to realize about me this group of people who basically

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they are judging things, Danny according to the author

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and they are giving their opinion or their

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intellect are the rational, rational, any special place.

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One thing we have to realize about these people is actually their method. And their way of thinking in essence is actually a very old,

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very old method. And it goes back to the Greek days.

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group of people known as the rationalist, which is exactly the same thing as up in India. And it were, they just everything according to their, their article, even Danny, just from a theoretical point of view. And the the original rationalist,

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they didn't do empirical studies. They didn't like, for example, go to lab and do some study. But they just sat there in the room, and drinking coffee, or whatever they were drinking,

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and thinking and it from their app, and then whatever, they could prove it from the app, this must be correct, and whatever. And it cannot be proven by the opposite this has to be rejected.

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Well, the classic example in the history and from the Greek time,

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is the Aristotle and Socrates. And these two are the classic example of people putting any religion completely under up.

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They made basically three mistakes,

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was the first mistake was they used to happen, or they tried to use often and things that it cannot completely comprehend.

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And you have to realize that there are some things in this world that didn't happen or the intellect,

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as a diamond has to know and he does not does not comprehend.

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So it's beyond that. It's beyond the realm.

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And he says, These people respect this apple so much, they should respect it enough to know that this is something beyond the realm of intellect. And therefore they should not judge this thing, using their intellect because they're judging. And it's something that they do not have the the ability to judge.

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Secondly, the second mistake was to refer everything to Apple, and to accept only those things that the intellect accepted, and to reject those things that the intellect rejected. And in fact, there are some things in between. There are some things that happened neither can accept nor can reject, but as to be quiet, and it cannot say anything about. And thirdly, also, the third mistake was that the judge revelation or the any, if there was any claim to Revelation, or anything coming from God, they judge that revelation and all of the aspects, and it's completely based on the opposite.

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Now, this, this method, or this school of philosophy, actually is very important for Muslim history. Because unfortunately, when the when the Muslims

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any begin to deal

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any in philosophy and begin to be influenced by,

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by Greek philosophy, the first thing that they were most influenced by was Aristotle, this person who saw no other source of knowledge except through rock, in fact, actually, if we want to,

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and if we want to be more specific, this way of thinking, of judging everything, any based on their on their own Apple will, the type of type of arrogance any that we think that as human beings, any we have the right to judge everything, and it based on our own. And in fact, that is one of the characteristics they need. They're following the footsteps of the shaitaan

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when after he was created, called Anna Herman, who can often even not walk up to him in pain. And he that he is actually using, I need the same kind of reasoning that the modern is used.

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That he's saying to Allah subhanho, wa Taala, the same any after he was ordered by Listen, I know it's Allah to frustrate to Adam, and he is taking that order from Allah subhana wa Tada. And he's judging it in his own way, thinking the same better than him. And I should not frustrate him I'm better than him because you created me from fire. And He created him from,

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from clay.

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And this characteristic, unfortunately, as I said, it's passed on and he's many human beings, they follow the same way as they said,

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the earth early, zero irrational,

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and it was the coming of Islam, and the the pure teachings of Islam and the pure opposite of Islam.

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And this, this way of thinking actually should have been

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and it should have been done away with because Allah Subhana what data to the Bahamas I send them

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gave us the only the general structure of something that we cannot deny. In other words are often cannot deny that the Quran is true. If we just study anything from from a rational point of view, whether what the Quran says is true or not, or whether it is a revelation from Allah subhanho wa Taala. And whether the problem I'm assessing them was sincere in his message and whether he was true prophet and innopolis. an unbiased an intellectual conclude that the

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romanticism was a true prophet, and the Quran is true. So if that's the case any of our intellectual leaders to that, then this means also therefore that everything in the Quran is true. And everything that's the problem having synonyms That is true. And in other words, the intellect leads us to believe that the Quran and the prophets are true. So that the kulluk corollary of that this means that everything in the Quran and everything, that the problem is a sentence, it must be true. Otherwise, the first corollary is false. And if the basic premise is false, so if someone says john, he is convinced by his actions that the Quran is true, and the problem Hamlet is true, and then he

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takes statements from the Quran and Hadith and starts rejecting them, and he is in fact,

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contradicting with his own, his own intellect.

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Has has concluded, but unfortunately, and especially as as Islam began to spread,

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to other areas, and new new people,

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especially non Arabs begin to embrace Islam, many of them,

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they came into Islam with an English, we say they brought their old baggage and they brought all their old stuff into Islam with them. And unfortunately, some of the Arab leaders also were influenced by them, such as Oliver moon, who established something called Darryl Heckman.

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hokhmah was a place for everyone to come and discuss any philosophy and religion, whatever they want to whatever they want to discuss. Even there are Hindus there, there are Buddhists there, and so on, so forth. And Danny, during his time, the books of the Greek philosophers were being translated into, into Arabic. And it began to influence the Muslims. And the it led to the development of two sciences in Islamic history. One is the science of philosophy. And the other is the science of Edmund cloud,

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which is what an English scientists speech.

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And there's no one I didn't have to worry about what it is.

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So these two sciences developed. And as I said, unfortunately, they were both the same, especially the philosopher aspects. Both of these two scientists were any influenced greatly by Aristotle school. And they're still totally in school of thinking, which is I said, this school, and he believes that everything can be judged based on Apple and Apple alone. And if Apple doesn't accept something, then test to be rejected. Now also that time, any philosophy included by the way, mathematics, physics,

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medicine, all of these things were included as part of what was known as philosophy.

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So many of the Muslims, and when they saw how advanced the Greeks were in these other fields, and in medicine and astronomy and so forth, they read they thought that was a must also be advanced in philosophy. So they began to take some of these ideas and even and adjust the Quran according to these ideas.

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That's right. Yeah, that's what all these people are trying to get here. They begin to they begin to judge the Quran, and the Sunnah, especially that many Hadith and promises in them, according to Greek philosophy, for many of them, any Greek philosophy was superior. And the reason Greeks, philosophy was superior, especially in philosophy or matters of our data, they said the matter is about data for something to be acceptable, it has to be any further to confirm by Apple.

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So therefore, any irrational argument or an argument which is

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based on rational premises, this takes precedence over the Quran Sunnah, which is not based on rational person. And in fact, there was a debate among the philosophers whether or not the Quran could be used as a subject map data. And because this is not based on rational, then that means that

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therefore any we cannot

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we cannot use the matter

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of that data.

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And another group also that was influenced Gianni by that was the extreme philosophies that I was talking about another group that was influenced by the Greeks, and who also put out an or the intellect above the Sharia is the global group known as the as the Mozilla

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was the motto the license they were any closer to the mainstream of Islam.

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They could not take the same position as the philosophers and they could not say that we reject the Koran or Quran as much. So they were forced to accept the Quran.

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But at the same time, the Quran

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had many there's many things in the Quran that goes against their motto. So the only solution is to resort to something that we were basically you say that this is what the Quran says. But that's not what it means. And this was their only solution because

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They had to stick to the plan. They have to stick to the Quran This is the only thing that they

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that they could do.

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And as I said also they said, they said that the lockean takes precedence over

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any logical OR rational thought or intellect takes precedence over

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anything which is narrated especially head is at the end of the policy till the end in particularly since they cannot put to the Quran they try to attack the Hadith of the prophets assylum were the McSherry who was very famous.

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Me for is to see it

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one time.

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As the luxury said the

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MTV Deena could attest to supporting

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football here he means the lockean ncp Deena conductor is so Tony What's up? No Bureau is the full annual for that. And you should Danny and your dean don't rely on what is the narrative for example, from the prophet or from anyone, even from Allah subhanho wa Taala. The Quran actually is a narration from the prophets assylum from the angel Gabriel from Allah subhanho wa Taala. And he's saying that don't be, don't be, don't rely on these things, don't be convinced by these things, but you should only walk in your dean, nothing Jr. He said go on your dean underneath the banner of a locker and do not be

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satisfied with the narrations that you that you receive are also in his ear.

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And he makes the problem seem just like, and even he has actually bad words and one part of the

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explaining the words of Allah subhanaw taala talking about the problems so seldom any the machinery of promises delivering very disrespectful terms, were also the only with respect to the Sahaba. And it is the same situation. One of the leaders of the martyrs Allah, He said by Allah, and he will lay if I leave mine and call her and as a bear testified concerning issue late and will not be unacceptable

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was actually also caused him and Miss Rhodes is an associate equal to the Masuda life. And he this the what led them to these things is that they found some things in the gene that the apple could not accept. So the opposite is not accepted any what what could they do any, what they had to do is they had to lower the position of the Quran and even lower the position of the problem and associate them and also

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the Sahaba. And as I said, and even even with respect to the Quran, they really make the wheel and sometimes even they will try to change the

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the wording of the put on as the famous example from the dealer, when Allah subhanaw taala says will, will kill him a lot of most of the cleaner. And he they are not willing to accept the fact that this this, this attributes, or gives the attribute of speech to Allah subhanho wa Taala which goes completely against them. So they change the verse actually they change the verse from kenema lomasa, tech Lima to kenema llamosa techniques, and it's a change the one who's doing the reaction, and all all of these things

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where the results actually up there and replacing a lot before anything else. Also, and to see it for example, they're leading, they're leading people.

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They reject many things in the Quran. And this has to do with a label the unseen. And as I said, as I said before any one of the mistakes of Aristotle nearly rationalist is that they use Apple for things and it's logical cannot judge for example, the unseen. If you can see it, are you gonna say whether it's true or not.

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But the and if they took their approach that will at least be better, at least if they said, at least of their reciting. I said, Okay, we can't say whether that's true or not, that's fine. Well, that's not fine because the foreign Navy says it's true, but at least that's better than their food. Their approach was even if it's in the Quran, if they cannot prove it by up and they will reject. So for example, with respect to the Djinn many of the martyrs ILA, they reject the existence of the jinn.

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And based on this point that they're often cannot confirm.

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And over time this this will happen this way of thinking handlers would

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get into was dominated by Alison ojima. And overtime basically died out.

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And the school the modern school that exists today, actually doesn't really have their roots in the mountains and although they have

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many common many similarities between the Alma Mater zillah and the afternoon, today, and but that's not actually where the roots are from their roots are actually from Europe. And it

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group today

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whether you want to call them whatever you want to call them, and the modernist movement

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jabesh idrisi, insistently don't come

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to me, they do not use it up.

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But this is,

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this is what they like to call themselves an either the route or where this modern group came from. Actually, they have much closer ties with Europe than they have with no, with the old maxilla. And they developed from the same,

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basically around the same circumstances in which the,

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in which the movement in Europe.

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So therefore, we have to really understand this movement, we have to actually go to Europe and try to understand what's happening in Europe

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and Europe, doing what they call the Middle Ages, any of the church, the Catholic Church, controlled everything, including the duty sciences, everything was under the control of the church. And if the church system is true, you have to believe it is true, otherwise, you're

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going to have a difficult life.

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But at the same time, because of Muslim Spain, they began to develop what is called the scientific method. But it's now called the scientific method, I forget, there's four stages to it, I don't remember exactly what the hypothesis, observation and so forth, and so on. So they, they In other words, they begin the begin and end not just rationalist candy from their mind that they began to experiment.

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And, and from spare from any Islamic Spain, the people of Europe began to see and begin to realize that what was being taught by the church. And it was not actually true.

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Anything, the church had many ideas within which the

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the Muslims in Spain and because of the scientific method, and if the people begin to realize that actually what the church is teaching

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is not true. So they began a very slowly anti revolt against the church. And there begins to be a no greater philosophers and these are really the founders of the modernist school, or at least what they what they proposed to me led to the Modern School, for example, there was there was a

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there was a philosopher by the name of Ken, or can't be more specific, Kurt was a strong believer in God.

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And this is, by the way, a sign as I said earlier, intention and action, sometimes they do not go together. Kant was a very strong believer in God. And he thought that what you would be doing would be defending the religion

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by saying that the laws the laws contained in Revelation or divine laws, are actually work on a different sphere than human laws. In other words, divine revelation has nothing to do with actually what's going on in this world. He thought he's defending all of his false beliefs that the Christian says, but actually what what this actually led to, is that okay, in that case, I mean, if we want guidance, just ignore the Bible's one guidance and just ignore what was

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what was the what was always known as as revelation was this come from Allah Subhana, WA, Tada.

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And also Darwin's theory, Darwin's theory that human beings actually evolved from from animals of other any lower, lower on the chain. Although his theory from the beginning was very weak.

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He never did find the missing link in his in his theory, but also this Jani was very harmful for the church, because the church had always been teaching that

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God had created human being, and so forth. And this, God had created Adam and Eve, and so forth. And this theory

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also was something that when this when this theory, theory spread, people began to question the Bible,

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and also another philosopher by the name of the court.

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The court also said the nature was like a machine. There's no spiritual element to it. And everything happens according to a law. And also Newton's law of causation also was the same. So when the in the West, they began all of these types of ideas, basically all of these ideas are saying that there's no room for religion, or revelation has really no purpose in guiding mankind, then everything basically is based on law. And all we need to know to find out what is best is to study those laws and we'll find out what is best for mankind. So we don't we're not the need of Revelation.

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So we now have the old god of the Greeks actually coming back now it's not just rational thought, but it's rational thought with some increases in the me some

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actually testing. And then after that, they came to the conclusion as as one of the philosophies that name was nice

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He said God is dead. And we have no need for God anymore. Now that we understand how the world works, we have no need for His revelation or anything because everything is according to law, we just discover those laws. And that's all we need. Now this, this way of thinking, actually, if you look at the modern, modernists in the Muslim world, actually, this is actually the source, or the root of their way of thinking, but that's jumping ahead, we'll get to, we'll get to that.

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Destroying anyone's belief in Christianity, or any anyone's belief in Judaism.

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So they came up with, with the idea of modernism, or the modernist movement, basically, that religion

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can is not something fixed, but it should change according to the circumstance.

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That's what the modernist movement basically is, is that not everything in the revelation is to be fixed. We have to believe in it as it is. But it's supposed to change with the changing of culture, and changing of environment and so forth.

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What that means, actually, is that there is no such thing as absolute truth.

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That's what they're saying. And it is no such thing is absolute truth, that something may have been true at one time. And so therefore, it was revealed to Moses or revealed to Joseph Jesus, but it's no longer true today. So therefore, we need not apply.

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And this is what this is what the modernist school is all about. And this is the this this is this was the Jewish and the Christian

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response to what was going on

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in the

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any in Europe at that time. So therefore, they they came up with new theories, how to play any trying to explain how Judaism or how Christianity, Christianity is still relevant today. And if it is, the teachings are actually no longer relevant, what role does it play. So they tried to come up with a new kind of new form of Christianity, a new form of Judaism,

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and introducing new things into the into the religion so that people will somehow still stick to it. For example, Moses Mendelssohn, a Jewish leader,

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and he started a school, which was both teaching both Judaism and modern and modern Sciences at that. And what he did, or what they did in that school,

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is that they noticed that the young people were interested in one thing, and old Judaism said something else. So they decided to change Judaism to make sure that the young people don't need students. And some of the things that he did is the birds used to be out of has to be said in Hebrew, they changed it that it could be suddenly

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local language, and they also introduce the use of musical instruments. And it is the if you go to the church nowadays, they sing from the beginning to the end. And also the Jewish synagogue, especially the what they call the reformed, or the liberal Jew, Danny, they sing from the beginning to the end also. And it is actually recent developments. This was the government of the 19th century 1800. And it introduced the musical instrument.

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Similarly, it there's basically three Jewish rabbis called Siam, wholetime, and Geiger.

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They were basically the ones

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who led this new movement. For example, Geiger said that,

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that Judaism is an ongoing revolutionary process. And it keeps getting better over time. And he says that, and this is an important point, again, he said that the Bible was collected by human beings, and therefore there's some things which are divine, and some things that are human, how to know what's divine, what's human, what doesn't sound good, anymore, must be human.

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It still sounds good, it must be divine.

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Because obviously, the divine part.

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So there's anything in the end, so therefore, you're basically on your own. If you've come to the Bible, and you don't like something, you just say, well, that's the whole thing. And that's actually if you look at Jews and Christians, now, most of them and this is how they are you see them, this is what it says in the Bible does ask

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for all these things, as they said the thing some of the things that they they introduce them to the Jewish,

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the Jewish, whatever religion, they,

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they said the prayer and it doesn't have to be in Hebrew as it introduced the musical instrument.

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They said it's allowed for women to marry non Jews. And it is law from the 19th century. They said it's allowed for women to mix with men,

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the change the laws of divorce, and they and so forth and eliminate basically, the changes that you see

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needed to see actually still among them today. Now, although this movement started in Europe, it wasn't very successful in Europe. For many reasons, people were a little bit more conservative there plus people know their religion.

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So of course the plants were growing

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and develop was the United States. And it is just moved in that date with reformed Jews. And it to the point that at one time all the synagogue, all the Jewish temples in the United States were reformed

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and reformed or or liberal, Jewish temple. And here, they here when they came here they had something known as the Fitbit Flex platform and they met together. And they agreed,

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first of all, that the Old Testament was get it together by human beings. So therefore any purpose

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any any scientific invention does not contradict with Jewish beliefs, even if it contradicts with the Bible. In other words, Jewish belief is whatever has been proven by science.

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If it contradicts the Bible, just neglect the Bible.

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Even including Darwinism is that even Darwin isn't me, I need to believe that we came from

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gorilla, whatever this is okay, because we don't have to believe the Bible literally.

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And they also said that they no longer have to wear the traditional Jewish dressing, dress. And they even said that Judaism is a progressive religion,

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always in touch with Apple, and therefore it's possible for them to work with both Christians and Muslims, as both Christians and Muslims originally came from Judaism anyway.

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And they completely rejected the idea of the hereafter.

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And they said to be a Jew, you just have to work for the best society that you can. This is modern, or what they call liberal Jews. Now the same kind of thing happened.

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Among the Christian, again, there is a problem between their belief and what science has proven, especially as a belief in the Trinity three in one in one in three, and so forth. And also they began to study the Bible closer,

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what they call higher criticism of the Bible, and they found that there was lots of

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lots of lots of contradictions in the Bible. So again, also the the Christian leaders decided that therefore, all of the Bible isn't divine, some of it is human, some of this is from Allah. And also, they began to study other religions, like the old Egyptian religion, the old Greek religion, and many of them came to the idea that religion is an evolutionary process, it keeps getting better. And so therefore, it should keep getting better now. And if you talk to many Christians, today, they'll say it does tell you that revelation

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is progressive in evolution, and evolutionary is still happening, and we still keep getting a better and better, better religion. And, and therefore, therefore, they also they came up with the idea that there is no absolute truth. And what the Bible says necessarily, is not necessarily the truth forever, but may have been true at one time, and so on. And this was this was basically these were the leaders, basically, in the 19th century. And then the both the 18th and the 19th century. And this was unfortunately, also the same time in which the Muslims, once again, Danny started looking towards the west. This was the same time that the the Europeans began to conquer some of the Muslim

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lands. This was the same time that the that the Muslims gonna begin to look to Europe and see that they're scientifically advanced, and began again to start taking the ideas of the, of the Europeans are of those animals, as I said,

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and as I said last time, was unfortunately, they took ourselves ideas. While Now again, it was unfortunate because they took these ideas of these modernist

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modernist thinkers. And for the Muslims, basically, there was there was the choice, either reject everything that the West had, completely, or to accept everything that the West had completely or tried to see what should they accept? And what they shouldn't accept? And he there was no there was no question that the Muslim world at that time was in any very, from Islamic very fundamental point of view, it wasn't a bad situation. And it must have been straight far from

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and so therefore, there was some Yanni some reformers

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who tried to point out some mistakes

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that the Muslims were doing and try to point out Danny, was this correct?

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But at the same time, unfortunately, these reformers were not as strong or as influential,

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as though as those reformers who could Yanni really because modern

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and basically these these modernists developed in three areas.

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And they've developed in these three areas basically, because of the because of the importance of these two years.

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Number one they developed in Turkey, because Turkey was the

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number two was in the indo Pak Pakistani subcontinent because this is where the Europeans especially the British had lots of economic interests. And number three they developed in Egypt because Egypt was a piece of aloha Dan is

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the center of learning

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For the Muslim world, that was respected as the leading center of learning, so therefore the support, and when they realize this point they concentrated on on Egypt for that reason, and in particular on his

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journey in Turkey, of course, we all know that what's happened in Turkey.

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In Turkey, we had it was known as it was a synchronous revolution, where I meant

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you have to realize, of course, that edmonia and modernity, and they are not for for the fact basically, they are the same.

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The only difference between them as one is more blatant than the other.

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And then he said, we don't have any need for religion. So let's just throw it all out and decide what we're going to follow, and what we're not going to follow by ourselves.

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So they're very blatant, this is what that is, this

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is a religion has no role in Indonesia, nation, and we as human beings, we're going to decide what we're going to follow. And what we're not going to

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question. He didn't use his mind very much. He just took a lot from coming from Europe and applied it. In Turkey. That's the that's the cephalus.

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Anyway, the way of the modernist is basically the same. They're saying we're going to decide what to follow and what not to follow by ourselves. And human beings are going to decide what to follow or not follow. But at the same time, we're going to call it we're going to put it in the name of religion.

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We're going to say we're going to follow this and follow that and follow this and we're going to say that Islam says that, okay. Well, the people in the second lesson, we're going to follow this and follow it and they don't care what.

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But in essence, they're the same in both cases, it's a human journey deciding what they will follow. And what they want for one case, they follow it, they do it in general. And the other case Yanni, they claim that they're following the Sharia, and they'll choose from the from the Sharia, what they want to, they want to reform.

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So, Ataturk actually I will leave him in discussion of what happened in in Turkey, for any for anyone who wants to talk about secularism as a separate

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in the case of the indo Pak sub continents.

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The the leader of this movement was his name was pseudoscience.

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And he always insisted on being called Sir, sir is a British term

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meaning any for someone

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for giving someone someone respect.

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And he lived in the in the middle of the of the 19th century.

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In 1857, after the Muslims, Gani revolted against the British, and they were defeated.

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This man, they damaged Han, he came to the conclusion that the the salvation or the success of the Muslims depends on cooperating and becoming the Friends of the British.

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And also by adopting the way of the British culture.

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And he says that there's no empathy or there's no

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there's is no any, there should be no hatred between Christians and Muslims. Because this is the Muslims who have the greatest respect for each other. And

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so therefore any of the two should be, should get together. And then he started the publication, the magazine, and every issue of this magazine, what he tried to stress and how how nice the British government is, and how they did this for the Muslims, and how they did that. For the Muslims. And in order to, in order to achieve this goal, though, and in order to take make the Muslim journey become more like the British, I had to get some thought was because at that time, for example, it was

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the Muslims would refuse to eat with the Brits, and it will not sit at the same table, and he's with the British, and they will not eat the fruit of the British. So he gave a fatwa and in order to bring them together, that there's nothing wrong with sitting and eating at the same

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at the same table, and in some of his

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some of his other hotel, is it polygamy and having more than one wife is against the spirits of Islam.

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So, therefore, should be prohibited.

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The river are the interests that are in the modern banks in the business transactions that exist nowadays during his time. He said this is not actually a reversal. Therefore,

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he also says that the punishments again in other words, that are found in the Quran, some that he said is wrong, he meant for a barbaric society, they do not have prisons. So therefore, they should be done away with. And he also said that jihad is forbidden except in the case of self defense, and he only if another country attacks you,

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should you

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should you should you actually fight

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while also he also said, Danny, that Islam is completely

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completely consistent with science and astronomy and you hear the lesson I think people say that they have no idea

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The sciences of Sciences actually have to, to take science which is real in science, which is the NNPC

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and the science, which is actual facts, and science, which is theory and in nothing, nothing proven. So he said, Danny, that.

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And of course, he's talking about science in the middle 1800s, which we know now that's half of that same wasn't even true. But in order to prove that the exam was consistent with science and reason,

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he said that all of the miracles in the Quran than that of the prophets.

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These are not true and they're all false. He said, angels don't exist again, talking about something canny, that's actually locked in a play whether angels exist or not, because they don't see also the gender not exist.

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Also, the property survey to them was not born without a father is that all of these things and he were not true, because, according to him, they went against modern science. And he even said,

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He even said that he or even compared and even compared revelation with the Hello, hallucinate hallucinations of the of the insane, someone is majority, Danny, he hears things. And he says this, again is similar to the revelations.

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And he was there with the help of the British, he was able to start a university.

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He started making 78 with the university is called Ellicott University.

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And basically, his goal of this university was to create

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a generation of Muslims who had similar beliefs.

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And in this, in this, in this university, the only language of teaching would be English.

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Yeah, I needed the even the Muslims at that time unity, they couldn't believe some of the things

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that the

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Klan was doing. Even Jamal. Jamal in general is in love learning that about him that the English authorities and the British saw that this person was very helpful for it for them. So they did their best Johnny to support him and give him honor, and they helped him by building that college. Unfortunately, had many students. The students are still in their writings are still influential until today, among the Pakistanis, and even here in the United States.

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Students have included the slate, Amir, Amir Ali,

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who was a Shia who wrote a book called The spirit of Islam very big books from the first book that I read about Islam. Basically, in this book, he says that the gods Mohammed says in the Quran, as a human being, and he says, sometimes getting he was wrong. And he says, What can we expect at that time, and he was wrong here. He was wrong there. He points out places in the Quran, which

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was wrong. And I found this book being sold to one of the Muslim conventions.

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And I told the people who were selling it, I said, Danny, this book is critical for any from the beginning to the end. And I explained to them some of the things that they said, but then fortunately, it many people,

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they don't care much anyone, they just want a book, they don't have any idea what they're selling. So this person said, Oh, butter philosophy, he put it away. I came back three hours later, there's listening and self assembling in the eyes of the soul. And unfortunately, this book is done. It's probably in his mid 50s.

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And it is still being distributed. Well, Mohammed Ali also is one of his students.

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He was also one of his students at

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the spirit of

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Mohammed Ali actually was called the enemy. And his translation of the Quran into English,

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which has the very strange and he footnote is still one of the popular translations that exists in the United States today.

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And his other his other students included, the caliper had been

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and many others have that. In other words,

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his school and his teachings actually important. We're not just talking about himself, but it really led to a new generation of writers and thinkers, Danny that propagated this

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modernist way of way of teaching.

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And it because we don't have running out of time

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with respect to Egypt, I'll just talk about

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so today we're just going to be discussing the history we must get to what's happening today. With respect to Egypt, the leader of this mehtab was basically Mohammed Abu

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Mohammed Abdullah was a very close friend of the ruling of the English rule and Lloyd Lloyd Cromer

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handed up

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Was Yanni a very strong admirer of the European civilization.

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And he loved your very much. And he said young anytime I feel depressed or bad when I'm in Egypt, I just go to Europe and and revive my soul. He loved the European and the Europeans and so much. And he says that the only error basically it says it's only hope for the,

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for the, for the European for the Egyptians I mean was to follow, follow the practice and follow the way of the,

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the way of the of the European

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and in 1899 because of the British.

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He was appointed the Mufti of each

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wireless solution, of course, he was able to make an effort to really control the way of thinking and what was going on even he had the rights to remove people from

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basically his aim. And again, we're not talking about his intention, whether his intention was good or bad, whether he understood his DNA is not important. That's not what I'm talking about. But by what he did, by his writing, we see that basically is isn't his intention, I mean, his aim, His goal was to interpret the Sharia in such a way that he to free it from the old interpretations of the earlier scholars. And to prove that Islam and modern Western civilization needs them in modern Western civilization were compatible.

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Two of his best known patella

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one of them said that is Yanis is halaal or legal to make pictures and statues for the Muslim as long as there's no shirt. And in this special actually, nowadays, we're still living under the influence of this. And before Mohammed Abdul, you don't find this, even Yanni two dimensional pictures towards consider head on by the AMA. And that's why when he gives us butter and he was opposed by almost all medicine, and also he, he also said that it is helpful for Muslims to put their money in the European Bank and to get interest. And he also said that, Danny it is permissible for Muslims to wear any Western clothing. And that was really that was the introduction introduction

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of pants and these western style clothing into Egypt. He was also at the same time he was convinced of the supremacy of it opposites and judgments of Jean and it is awkward, who decides what is right and what is wrong.

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And the deep and also of course, yet he has to he has to read this modern science into the Quran. So for example about the jinn.

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He says this Yanni the he said earlier Morocco, Canada used to say that the jinn are living bodies which cannot be seen.

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He says the only but it is permissible to absurd to assert

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any that the minute living bodies only recently discovered by means of the microscope and called microbes they will be defined as the gym. And he is saying that Jen and Michael. This was just recently and you cannot see it until we have the micro microscope that's his only justification for saying the gym not

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only not just with respect to physical science, but also he said any this we have to adopt the social sciences of the West. And even he tries to prove again that Darwin Darwin's theory was was compatible with the Quran.

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You don't have much time left you can

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actually facing was very tough for me to finish before the event that's why I'm trying to finish before the

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end to conclude about, about Mohammed Abu.

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And he probably one the best conclusion and that we can say about him is something that the English ruler, Lloyd Cromer wrote about Mohammed Abu

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Mohammed Abu by the way he was put in prison for some time.

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So like Cromer says it's under British pressure the ruler, pardoned him and then made him a judge

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and have to recognize the necessity of European assistance in the work of reform.

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Then he said, Yeah, and he did is he founded a school of thought in Egypt, which is similar to that established in India by suicide.

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And their their task is therefore one of great difficulty. And they deserve all the encouragement and support which we can give them. They are the natural allies of the European reform. And he the Mohammed Abdullah actually was used basically by the Europeans to try to spread his version of Islam in Egypt for that then,

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of course, was very influential.

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Included among his students who were accustomed, I mean, the one who,

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actually it was his first book, actually, it was Mohammed Abdullah, who wrote it probably cost him I mean, put his name on it, although they brought it together.

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Who was a complete secularist? He said, Danny, Islam has nothing to do with government was the whole thing.

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Mohammed Rashid, Berto,

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these were these were the students of Mohammed after the test on his some of his thoughts

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with respect to Mohammed, Rashid Raja, after some time, and he began to realize that in fact, what Mohammed Abdullah was teaching was wrong. And it began to me long after

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it began to criticize his work and point out some

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some of his mistakes, but only that that laid really the groundwork, and it was scores. hammered up to the students of Mohammed Abu, and the students of suicide at McLaren. These are the teachers of the present being modern. But we do not have time to go into the situation of the present day modernists

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what influence they are, what role they're playing today. I think

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just dealing with the history of the modernist, or modernist school will be sufficient for today. And then we'll open the floor now for any questions or come to me.

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So now that we're finished, we can give a title to this.

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This is the history of the modernist moment, before we ended the present. That's the title of this lecture.

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Knowing the tape gun you can go back and forth

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is not very controversial.

00:53:50--> 00:53:53

Jim aleena is different story. She's one of the reasons why.

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No real controversy over Mohammed.

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Next in this series.

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next lecture in this series is the situation of this moment as it stands now.

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And what are they propagating? What are they propagating today? Obviously any since they're modernist, they cannot propagate the same thing that they propagated 100 years ago, they have to change. You have to keep up with the time.

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The next big one is, what are they doing today and also their influence in the Muslim world, especially the United States. I think when I originally prepared these lectures, it was for

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mixed American foreign audience so I have quite a bit here about any their role in the United States.

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Since he's here is supposed to get

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lots of positions.

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A lot of people were in their house.

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And he there were people like

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Shakira register.

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I keep forgetting who was who was the

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hammer check the father and mother

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in the 100 shopping,

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shopping mall, all that amateur proposed the nanny very,

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very difficult. I mean, very, in a harsh way. Also romanticized, which has an amendment father also oppose

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me, but the why, you know, Mohammed Abdullah, you don't know the other because Mohammed Abu had the backing of the English government, the Egyptian government and the ruling, I need the upper class.

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And people like

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the people who are dominating

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news need the media or what proportion and the city and the there are people who swallows

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the balloon and his wife can open

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a bunch of the salon for people to come and sit and talk. And he did. They, they so he has the government backing

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both the British and the Egyptian government.

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And he also has the the backing of the of the upper class,

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we ended up a class that can be used to travel to Europe and come back and so forth.

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So therefore, I need us. That's why basically, you hear one side of the story.

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And those Danny who opposed him who didn't really have, except for maybe four people following them. Hey, that's the case that everyone

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Yeah, he also impose

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any, you can find these people hopefully, many of them were writers, many of them are famous. But

00:57:50--> 00:57:58

because of his influence, and his situation, they were kind of drowned out by even Mohammed Rashid Radha Regan, later writing.

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But if you ask anyone who's Mohammed Rashid, is the best student and Mohammed Abu Iraq and historically, ma'am, and so forth. And it is the life history of Mohammed Abu.

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So what you what you may hear, may not necessarily represent what's actually going on.

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Also, for example, the human body was opposed by many, by many people.

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similar situation, from him, concerning him.

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In love God is the one where you can't tell what's true and what's false.

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His life is really, his life is really confusing. And also because he was so influential, anyone who came after him with any idea, he says, I get this idea from Jim, and

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he is the one who taught me this. You want to give some authority to what you're saying, at that time, you say, Well, this is what I'm learning.

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So people were claiming many things that didn't have any teaching. Some of them were not true. But even his own personal life. And if, for example, you hear a lot that he was a pen, pen.

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And he's saying that the Muslim countries should all get together and rise against the West. Actually, he never taught me. And he taught that the eastern countries Muslim or non Muslim, should rise against the rule

00:59:24--> 00:59:30

should rise against the rule of the French and the Dutch never mentioned me

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for some reason.

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Actually, it was English. He was supposed to be killed in Russia. By the way, he believed in assassination as a way of he was, I guess, the first terrorist in the Muslim world. And he believed in assassination.

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And he tried to assassinate the rule of Iran. He was captured in Russia. He was supposed to be put to death. And it was the British government that came in and rescued him.

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We didn't say it's next week.

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He didn't say that.

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promise people don't read what they actually wrote. You know, they just hear about these people have learned with great glee. Many people, they think I named myself at the gym.

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And everyone has no name.

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You don't see any?

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I've never heard Yes.

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Yeah, that's one of the promos. Even the ones that live today.

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And some of them are considered the leading Yanni, for example, we met

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some of them are considered the leading scholars in

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color to Islam. But if you actually look at some of their patella, some of their things that they wrote and said, You will not believe this. This came from mostly.

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You mentioned in the

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lecture. This is a new one.

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I said isn't very old.

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Danny, it says reappearing.

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Since the turn of the century, it has reappeared under the influence of the European model.

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Hey, basically putting an apple first. Now you're gonna move to the new people.

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And he this was just a development. This is the students of these people

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that I mentioned, I mentioned some of their students, they are the teachers are the ones around. And that's

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the West.

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Maybe there's also

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the seminars coming up.

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Why maybe

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I think regardless of

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it's in there, it's in their interest. And regardless of whether it is with what revival among them or not, it's in their interest for people to think of themselves as Muslims and be following the way of your

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day. Okay, yes. But even if that's in any direction, said Mohammed Abu Ghraib.

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And he things were actually in a very bad as you might have been

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in Syria, Damascus.

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guy, he was one of those reformers. At the same time. We looked at things differently. He said, Look, we have lots of problems. But the solution is not following the West completely. The solution is going back to the

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Danny's the situation in the Muslim world is very bad. From Islamic point of view. But even though it was bad, and really the Muslims weren't doing anything, they still had Mohammed Abu and these people who supported them and tried to spread this.

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He cannot use his mind. So okay, well, we'll get to that.

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We'll get to that. We'll get to the position of Apple, Danny in

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starting again,

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I think

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who's talking about that? He said, I'm not gonna talk about you know, if you were a short

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you know, make it longer, because this is just

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how to appear. But if you appear inside, nothing to do much better than

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if you were abandoned chair.

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you are talking about bringing something from Western astrology, anything

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The problem is that what they're saying is against the promise and you said you mentioned some of them.

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But you also mentioned

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because this harami and it's worth the best to Cooper.

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Head to head again you cannot appear you cannot appear like to perform with him in his head it is the process and

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it was at that time if someone is wearing any specific dress you know that he's European and he's non Muslim

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and you know both of these things and he had that diversity for for someone where that you know that he's kept

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okay that's the situation needed at that time so he is saying

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back and check though if

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any if the province is in the man is prohibited who just like the club and he said yeah and whoever appears like a people he's one of them. Okay.

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He will come he will be wearing pants and shirt.

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The point is if there's a dress if there's a dress, any if there's a dress, which is known to be the dress of the coupon, you cannot work that Okay, so when Egypt at that time, the pants and suits were known to be the dress of the coupon or Mohammed Abdullah said you may work there's no problem with

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this mean

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the way he's saying it

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means that he intended to do that he intended for Egypt to imitate

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Jesus but I don't think he means that because his writings are very clear that the Muslims must follow the Europeans in both their data in their luck in their physical sciences in their in their materials only they're afraid about the world giving up not leaving the problem hamsters in them, but there any belief about the world the place of Athens any philosophy that he said he thinks very clearly there's no question about any this for the Egyptians to become civilized he wasn't talking about generated for the Egyptians to become civilized they have to follow the way of the of the European

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including any a flock and a possum I mean, was even even more Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And his book was actually written by Mohammed Abu

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Mohammed as his writings on him and

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the only thing that

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is something it's not

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even trying to find

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because you cannot find it.

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no, no, no, no, no one disagrees with you on this point.

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So now we have cars, we don't have car.

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Now we have chairs and

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he was

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tweeting about the school

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and all that, and then

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there's no problem, but to accept something. And if it goes against the Quran

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and he just because of the way of some other people and you're going to put that first this is wrong.