Channel: Hamza Yusuf
Series: Hamza Yusuf – Maliki Fiqh
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he begins it by saying
that CEO Moshe Shahada Ramadan Raja Raja been shot down in Soma new diva that
it's an obligation to fast Ramadan
to vida camassia mocha mocha to ballyliffin among
the fasting was prescribed for you it's an obligation
just as it was prescribed on people before you so Jews and Christians have fasting.
The first thing of
he mentioned the shadow ban and Roger ban shadow ban, which are any days the prophesized him fasted
the two months that preceded Ramadan, and he
during that time,
some of the Sahaba said that it seemed like he never broke his fast so he
he definitely prepared for Ramadan with
with these two months, and then
also then he mentioned that the
that Ramadan is Yes, go to
sharonville tell him that it's, it's by citing the moon that the month is,
is established. So if you have
now we've got people here that are arguing that calculation should be should be used. And the problem with the calculations is and one of their arguments is well, we calculate the prayer times. So why can't we calculate Ramadan? And the problem with that argument, Imam or Karachi wrote a famous book, it's probably one of the most
really original works in the history of Islamic jurisprudence, but he wrote a book called fudo which is all the subtle differences in in things in the Islamic legal system. One of the things one of his Farooq is the difference between Rama calculating the prayer times and calculating Ramadan. So he actually brings this issue, ninth century scholar and he says that, that Allah Subhana, Allah to Allah,
we talked about suberb, right? They're very remember sub, what's a sub
right? It's it's a reason it's, it's necessary but not not necessary, sufficient, right? necessary
reasons and then sufficient reasons.
So it's a necessary reason for the obligation of something for instance, so Subbable was through the heart. The suburb the cause for the obligation of the heart is when the sun according to an artifact moves one degree from the 90 and 90 degree in in the sky 180 degree horizon it gets to 90 degrees, if it moves to 91 degrees, which takes about four minutes, each degree takes four minutes. then that becomes a sub.
So he says that the sub for the prayer times are positions of the sun,
their positions, doodle cushions,
MailChimp, shams, hasakah Lane, you know peranan surgery, the Quran specifically mentions points of position. The doodle Shams is when the sun moves to that point, there has a layer aerosol is a very specific time when he starts the fudger. So either repetitions if the sun goes down
Then we pray. Now however you determine whether the sun's gone down or not, is, is irrelevant as long as you know the sun has gone down. That's that's the thing. But with Ramadan, he put the sub with the siding.
He didn't say, for instance, you know when the moon separates from the sun, which is called Masada. Now the moon, and this is something a lot of people just they don't understand, but it's a very important point to understand.
has phases right
now the moon, this is the sun,
Here we are.
The the moon has these phases, these are quarters. Alright, so you've got four quarters, there's, there's first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter
when the when the sun lines up with the moon.
The Sun comes between
right now, if you look at the earth, there's something called an ecliptic
of the moon. All right, this is five degrees.
That's the ecliptic. What that means is the moon does not go around the Earth in a in a fixed
plane. All right, it's actually it's a tilted plane of five degrees. So as it goes around, right, it's it's changing its position. Which is, which is why we get eclipses. Because there's a there's a point here, when it when it hits hits that zero degree the equal plane 2.5 degrees 2.5 degrees. When it hits that equal plane, if it hits it at one of these two points, either in a full moon, or in a new moon, then it lines up perfectly with the sun.
Got it? So So when it comes in, if it's a full moon, the earth comes between the sun and the moon and blocks it out completely. Normally, it's five degrees. You see it's in that ecliptic. And so you can see the full moon. But when when it's in, it's outside the clip when it comes into the ecliptic. It disappears. And the the you know, the way this has been designed is quite I mean it is stunning. It's what there's no other word for it, because it's done in perfect proportions. So that the moon
and this and the earth, each one of them matches up perfectly given the distance, right? It's just like 92 million miles away. But because of the the ratio, this is 250,000 miles away, right? But the ratio is that this appears
perfectly equal to the to the sun. And the same is true of the earth when it goes into the ecliptic because of the way it's lined up with the moon. So it's it's it I mean it really they are scientists what the prophecies have said, you know that the eclipses are Signs for people who think you know, what a coincidence. There's actually a book that was titled, something like what a coincidence, you know, like, astronomers recognize this thing is just very amazing. So what happens? This period there is a period
when the moon enters into an occultation it's called the Mohawk.
You have you have the brother.
Right? And then you have the Mohawk
and then you have the Hilal.
And then you have the rest of the time. It's called karma. All right, so the Mohawk is when it enters into this period of time, and it disappears. That's why young hola Reba, God makes rebar disappear. You know, the benefits of rebar. He obliterates them. So Young law, armor, you know, he makes it disappear. So
That's called the Mohawk that can last up to three days, where it just disappears. Nobody sees it, because it's gone in to this where the sun is not giving us any reflection. So we can't see, because it's in this, this period here, you can't see the light of the sun on it. Now, during that point, there is a point where it lines up perfectly with the sun. If it's in the ecliptic, it disappears. And you get a solar eclipse. So as the moon lines up with the sun, you get a solar eclipse, or you get a partial solar eclipse, if it's partially in the ecliptic. If it's completely in it lined up perfectly, then the sun disappears. If it's if it's not lined up perfectly, the sun, you'll see part
of the Sun and the same with a partial lunar eclipse same reason, because it's not fully in the ecliptic. the ecliptic is when the planes are perfectly lined up with the sun. Alright, because we're aligned with the sun, the moon is tilted on the ecliptic, which is five degrees, but during times of the year, it moves into that ecliptic, and then it's perfectly lined up. So you see it disappear. Now what happens is that as when it when the sun and the moon, here's the earth, when the sun and the moon line up, they line up for the time that it takes, like a solar lunar eclipse, it's you know, 2030 minutes as it comes in, and then they line up, and then it starts to move away that
point when it starts to move away, and you begin to see the light of the sun on that portion, as it's moving away, is called the moussaka. Alright, we call the angular separation in English, it's the angular separation of the moon and the sun, when you get the angular separation of the moon and the sun.
You can look at this event. So with it now, with astronomy, you can determine the exact point where the moon is born. But that birth is an astronomical birth. All right, this is this is what's really important, you have to understand this, that birth is an astronomical birth, that is the new moon according to modern astronomy.
2500 years ago, the Greeks determined when that conjunction happens, the conjunction of the sun and the moon, they determined it to half a minute.
On average, because they didn't have the precision because the moon is not following a regular course, it slows and it speeds up it's relative. So at certain points, it's faster at certain points is slower. What that does, is it changes the amount of time it takes to go around the Earth. But the Greeks averaged it. And they averaged it so well that they could determine and predict eclipses. So they knew when the mafada happened. All right, so this is ancient knowledge, nothing has been improved on this except for the precision where you get the point 0001 You know, that's what's been improved, but the actual knowledge of this, they could determine it down to the, the, the the day
and the time. So they knew that on October 11, at around 12 noon, there's going to be an eclipse. This is not new knowledge. This is what I'm saying. It's really important because there's an argument that Oh, we've gone so far and and you know, the ancients didn't know any of this stuff. And and and it's just not true. So the the Muslims who, who improved upon Greek astronomy, developed sighting charts, they knew when the moon was going to appear, they had 12 degree, they could determine with high accuracy. I in in in in fast, you know, I went to the the astronomers tower and fast because a friend of mine inherited that position. The astronomer affairs he's a market and
there's 12 little holes. Did you see them? Yeah, there's 12 little holes. And all year long they know exactly where to look. And they know exactly where the hell's going to be. right because it nothing changes. It's it's exact. So this stuff is not new stuff. And the Obama talked about predicting centuries ago because they had astronomers that could predict when the new moon was going to be most probably appear. They all knew when it was when the morning
farakka happen. But no one in the history of Islam with the exception of the fault, the media ever said that the methodical was the new moon. Because if you make the move to the new moon, you're going to destroy the lunar calendar of Islam. Because you're going to always have these these problematic, there's you're giving too much time. So the days you're going to have the the months are going to go, just like what happened in Arabia. Because they do this, they'll get one day ahead of themselves, they've gotten two days ahead of themselves, where the where the new Moon's not supposed to come out for like, at least two days, and the moon appears, or the opposite happens,
they declare a new moon and nobody sees the hell out for three days. Because it you should see it immediately. It's only going to have a lag time of one day,
it will never have a lifetime of two days, on a month. So if you have 30 days of shot, then you'll see it on the on that 31st day.
You might you're either gonna see it on the 30th or the 31st. But you're not going to see it on the 32nd day, but because of these problems of determining the new moon with these calculations, you can be two days off because they're determining it within this period of time. And this is where the problem happens. All right.
Astronomy, so good science.
Oh, that's astrology. Yeah, astronomy is in from astrology. So do you read your horse Do you read your horoscope?
I look at mine every once in a while you know it's kind of a curious thing. Yeah. Yeah. Then you say it's spot on
that's why they put them in the newspapers you know because people are interested
as a predictive astrology is how Tom
Yeah, predictive astrology is held on by by consensus. You can't even author a law says even if it was accurate, you can't spy on God.
Yeah, cuz I lost his lead to just Cisco.
You know, so even it was accurate. You can't spy on God.
The majority of the rejected astrology, some of the Obama had to walk off they just said leave it. There's no doubt that there's validity to astrology to a certain degree some of it is accurate. We know that there were signs in the heavens with the birth of Jesus the birth of the Prophet sighs Sam, you know this heavens have signs for us. There's no doubt and Allah made them signs. We know where the all the consolation were the day he was born. Sad episode was on the horizon said that that was overhead. It's all sad all the stars of sadder were in the positions of the stars when he was born, you know, the joyous stars, they were all there. We know he was born in the in the sun
sign of Aries, you know, which is the sign of leadership in that system. So there's all those things are there. But you know, to go and and that's why the Muslims, you know, the Muslims used astrology. I mean, some of our rulers, just like today, don't think these guys are free of this. They have astrologers. I know personally, the one of the astrologers of several of people in the House of Lords, she became Muslim. And she was the personal astrologer of several of the people in the House of Lords. Ronald Reagan had an astrologer we know that we don't know if Obama's using one or the you know, there's Muslim rulers now. And I guarantee you because I know this for a fact, there are
Muslim rulers that use astrologers. So astrology is around. It's been around for centuries. And there's people that you know, and it's a very, you know, if you guess Chinese astrology is more interesting to me, then then Western astrology, but if you get into astrology, it's it is a science, there's no doubt it's a science and to deny it and say and laugh at it and say it's a big joke and things like that. Those things don't stay around for millennia. If there's not some basis, do you know, I mean, every astrologer is an astronomer, you have to be, you see, every astrologer has to learn. So when the enema, I mean, all these engineers made fun of, they said, Oh, Muslims, you know,
the reason they prohibited is because it was all associated with astrology, you know, and they kind of made fun of it. And, you know, the moon and the moon know, the moon and the moon all learned astronomy because they have to determine the positions of the stars. But predictive astrology is how long it's how long
You know, personality, astrology, a lot quantum, you know, a lohana there's, there's good arguments against it, you know, I've read some of the arguments against it, they make a lot of sense. You know, for instance,
the sun signs today are not actually in the original times because of the precession. And, you know, there's changes. So if you were born in March today, it's our April, it's not really Aries, because there's been a lag time now. So, you know, there's there's very valid arguments against it. famotidine or raazi, a moment of anxiety they had just took off, you know, just leave it. It's not something to delve into. And, and that's, that that's, you know, that's I agree with that. Just leave it. It's something Muslim shouldn't get into.
I don't look, I mean, I'm just, you know, yeah, I mean, everyone, so, but it's more funny, because those things are just, I don't believe in any of that stuff. The newspaper ones. Yeah, that's, that. That's just it's just entertainment. Yeah, people take it seriously. I wouldn't say it's just entertainment. You know, I wouldn't take it seriously.
I mean, the prophets I send him said one of the things that he feared was, he said, what format have ya come at this, despite Oh, Bill Anwar, is that you start associating rain with stars, because the know are the stars that are on the horizon. So those are the stars that astrologers use to determine.
You know, certain things about astrology. And so when certain stars show up, the rain Seasons come. So the Prophet was saying what he was afraid of is people associating those things with the rain. In the same way astrology, if you think that the reason you're like this is because you were born in the sun sign of this, that becomes shidduch.
Absolutely, yeah. No, check that and you can fall into shadow because even if if it was true, there's no correlation. Other than that, God determined you would be like this when this was there is God that does it. It has nothing to do with the stars. There's no celestial influence. People say all Don't you see how the moon is influencing the tides? No, that's just your observation that every time the moon's full, the tides are that way, when it's not full there that way, God's doing that he just set it up. So it looks like that. So if you make the mistake of assuming it's the moon that's doing that, that's your problem. But it's shift, because you're giving power to us bad.
The suburb, you know, the whore is an obligation to pray the suburb for the horror is when that happened. But that's not what's making it obligatory. God is making it a blip. obligatory, he's just saying do it at that point. So but but if you think it's, that's why it's obligatory that ship.
No, no, that's all No, it's not gravity. No, no, no, that that's all that look.
That is all people describing things. Like the law of gravity is just descriptions. All that is, that's what it appears.
No, allows doing it all directly in RFP there, weren't you there there, there
are laws doing everything? These are just think, look, you know, this is Hume Hume used to play billiards, David Hume, the philosopher. And he would notice when you hit the ball, and the ball would hit the other ball, it would knock it into the pocket. But he started thinking about that, I think he was reading Muslim books. Because he gives exact examples of what the Muslims did Allah on him, but he could have come up, he was a genius. But he what he said he realized was,
I'm only assuming that that ball is knocking the other ball into so you can explain that with physics, right? Of how that that's a mass, you know, and a body's at rest unless acted upon by a body in motion. Right? That that's physics, right. But what he said is, we're just making that assumption from observation.
The reality of it is, we really don't know what's happening. These are just our attempts at explaining things.
But we really don't know what's going on. Do you see? That's, that's the Muslim position that Allah made. It went when See look, if I take if I take a knife like a surgeon's knife, and you know and I cut, right, I cut open. What you're observing is when that when the blade touches the skin, it opens the skin right? And so you say the blade is cutting. We don't believe that what we believe is that when at the point the blade meets the skin guide
is opening that it's a direct action of God, it only appears that the knife is doing that that's tawheed.
But But the way that it appears to us is how we're explaining it. But I don't see that. That's why when when he was choking, wise, from a doctor would say he was choking because he had swelling in his throat. And the swelling was caught. He wasn't seeing that he was saying, oh, an attack, you know, he was talking to God, go ahead, choke me.
Because he knew that it was God that was doing that and not even doing it with secondary causation, which is even 10 years position.
That that's even 10 years position that was rejected by the Sudanese that their secondary causation. That's a deistic perspective, you know, that, that their secondary causes going on? That's not what's happening. There's no secondary causes. We don't believe in secondary Cause every act is an act of God. Every act that's happening, there's no gravity all that stuff. Those are just things that that we use to explain phenomenon.
But in reality, it's it's God that's doing that he's holding it all into place. He's a young letter to Senate on Well, I know he can't for one instant turn away from creation or else it all stops. Because he's the one doing it all. But he has he's set up a creation of appearances. You have appearances in reality, like in literature, you study literature. That's a theme right and literature, appearances and reality. Right? Jago is a good friend good Iago. That's what Othello calls him when he sees him good. Iago you know that. That's the appearance of Iago the reality of Jago is that he was evil and he had mount mount intentions towards Othello. That's the way that
Allah has set up the world. There's appearances and Xena, you know, Xueyan Allah home armor, they're their actions appear to be good. The people that are so encouraging or if they think they're if you talk to them, we're bringing democracy to the Middle East. We're helping people get you know, they're opening up markets so they can flood people with facade. And, you know, they want to bring pornography to to Pakistan and to, you know, that's what they're doing because there's money to be made. But they'll tell you, the pornographers in Hollywood will tell you this is about freedom of speech. This is First Amendment.
That's what they believe. That's exactly what the law says about them. They, they believe that their actions are good. We're helping people get liberated. They've got all these hang ups.
You know, I mean, this is this is the world The world is appearances. It's not reality. Bernie Madoff was the head of dozens of philanthropic organizations. He was honored with plaques, appearances in reality, all of that. So anyway, that's a painful lesson. And we're in fact
Ozma did that just to wake me up?
where were we
citing astrology? That's how see somebody asked a question about astrology. So that that's the thing, astrology, don't waste your time.
But I've gotten hit handwritten manuscripts in my library of astrology from Ola, there used to be automatic practice at some of the timekeepers and these were real onomah you know, they used to do it on the side to make money, you know, with the, with the, you know, notables in the societies. Even in Alberta, mom's poem about Mark Dawson, he checked with the astrologers about whether or not it was an auspicious time to attack the Christians. And they said no, it was a bad time. And he said to hell with it. And so I will come and praises him because you end up he defeated them. So he said in spite of the strong astrologers, you know, he went to fight the Jihad and Allah gave him victory.
You know, the astrologer said no, no, don't do it. Like Ronald Reagan. They were telling him No, no don't it's not a good time to meet with the Russians.
In auspicious Jupiter's in Saturn rising and
this point now when it comes out of here is when you see the crescent, what that Crescent is, is this the moon's light at that point, as each day, you're getting more light,
right because of the angle until you get here. Now you're seeing a quarter of it right when you hit when you're here, seeing half and then even more each now.
You're getting more.
And then you get the full moon. And now it starts to diminish, right? It goes the other way. So you start seeing it diminishing
until it gets down. Now you're at that where you get slightly looks like a crescent in the morning. And then it moves in to the, to the conjunction, and it disappears completely for two days, and then it will reemerge. Now what we don't know is when it's going to when it's going to reemerge.
So what happens
is, you there are several factors, there's a humidity factor, there's an Angular factor where you are on the planet, if you're in a desert climate, if you're in a if you're in an equatorial country, if you're in. So for instance, if you're, if you look at the
those those things where it shows you that, like all the red, where you're going to see the moon, but down here in Mexico, you can't see it, because what happens is every month,
the moon on the horizon every month, right?
This is the the measureup.
And this is the mercury.
Right? Every month, the moon is doing what the sun does in a year.
It's going from North to north to south, right. So as you're watching it across the thing, that's why you'll see the moon move on the horizon, if you watch it, you know, people don't watch this stuff anymore, they just see the moon come up, they don't think about where it's coming up. But if you watch it on the horizon, you know, as it's moving from this actually north and south.
You know, this is a Shimano in general.
So as it's moving across, and then you're looking at either the this this is east, or west, depending on whether you know which direction you're looking at. So when when it's when it's small, it's on the east side, as it's moving to the north, right. And then it goes to the, to the to the to the east. Yeah. So it goes from West when it's small, and then it's moving like that. And then it goes, now it's due east, right when it's full, and then it's moving that way. But if you watch it along these two horizons, it's moving like that. So it's going to show up down in the south, or it's going to show up in the north.
If it shows up in the north, people in the south won't be able to see it if there's too far south. If it shows up in the south, though. That's why sometimes we can see it in South America. We can't see it in North America. Sometimes they can see it in South Africa. They can't see it in in Europe. Sometimes they can see it in Europe, they can't see it in South Africa, right. So this creates a problem for siting.
Now, the other problem is as the moon is moving across the globe, if say the moon occurs here, we're in China. Okay. So the Mahabharata, right, which is when it's lined up with the sun, all right, it occurs here. So now the crescent after several hours here, say it's 24 hours after the moussaka so that's the first day so it took one day it went in, now it's coming out and you see it 20 hours. So it's still within that first day, it's going to be a very fine sliver.
All right, so now people here in China, you know, they're all jumping up, Chinese Muslims, lo Akbar takbeer. They see it. Now. Anybody who sees it in China, and they tell us, we're in California, and they say they saw it in China, we are definitely going to see it. In California. It's impossible not to see it. Unless it's cloudy all across the coast.
We're gonna see it. So when Saudi Arabia says they see the moon, and we go out in America
15 hours later, so they saw it when the moon was was
15 hours. Now it's 30 hours old. We have to see it. So when we go out and we don't see the moon anywhere, what do we know?
Maybe they're not lying.
You know? I mean, I'm not gonna assume they're lying. Because should I help all the went out with somebody and they were all looking for the moon. And the man said, Well, you know
And they're all like where he's at right there. There were right there along the bottom left noodle snover socially looking, you know, he said,
he looks at the man and he notices he has a
thin hair from his, his eye from the eyebrow going down. So should it wipes it? And he says, Do you still see it? He said
So, you know, people can think they see the new moon, but they don't see it. Right?
We've seen the moon several times, right?
Very tiny. You usually see it first. Very tiny little moon. So if you see the moon, it's a joyous occasion. But people think they see the moon, especially if they're not trained to see the moon. There's people they see an airplane because the airplane will shine the light of the sun. And and you'll see that so the wing of the airplane slightly tipped, you know, oh, there it is. Oh, disappeared, you know, and then they go and they call love. But we saw the moon and it was United Airlines Flight 707. No, seriously. So people think they see the moon. They don't see the moon. Now if as it's moving across, so they saw it here at 21 hours. So by the time it gets to America,
whatever the it could be like 36 hours. Now what's going to happen is that when we see it, because now it's 36 hours old from when it was first, the moussaka
it's going to be much bigger,
it's going to be higher in the sky. Because each each if here's the thing, the next day, it's 13 degrees higher. So each day, it's increasing by 13 degrees. And it's you're seeing more of it because of the angle. So people will they'll miss it here because of clouds. The next day they'll see it which is actually the first day for them. But what will they say?
That's two days old. Because they don't understand this the profit side Sam said that the end of time won't come until people will look at a new moon and say it's two days old. Because they don't know this anymore.
It's not a problem. It's actually it's actually a it shouldn't be three days that is a problem. And the reason it's three days is because people either lie or they did not see the moon and they claimed to have seen the moon they thought they saw the moon and that's where we get three day differences but normally you should only have two day differences on
well no people go out and look but like checkup dollar went out with a group of Saudis once and they were all looking to the east.
And Sam does the new it's over here. It's to the west. All Mashallah chefs.
You know, thank God we have
cuz they're right there following the right criteria. Oh, man is right. I guarantee you online and Morocco.
Morocco is probably the safest of all the countries in the Arab world, in my estimation. Do you know?
Yeah, that's a good point. Well, first of all, they're past the international dateline. So they're already in we've missed it. We were looking for we didn't see it. They saw it. By the time it gets back to us another days. So we're actually going to fast the next day anyway. We're not gonna fast the same day fast.
traveling around the possibility
and that does happen and the profit that was already happened at the time of the Prophet and and he's and people should break the fast on the day if the moon was cited, and then they Oh, a day? Yeah, but it's a good question because it does happen. And that did happen at the time of the Sahaba. Somebody only fasted 28 days, they if the moon was cited, if it wasn't cited, if they're doing 30 days, you still fast, so you don't break the fat unless you know, I mean,
it just depends on you know, because it's hot on too fast on the day and if if it's you
Your community and you fasted in another place, I would break the fast and then make up the day.
It's how long you can't you can't fast 31 days.
Oh, I know you should assume if that's the case that you started a day early. And then and then you just that's enough ILA fast, you can't fast meaning you can't fast on an EAD. So if the EAD hasn't occurred where you are you wait till the EAD comes. Yeah. And then you just had an extra day.
Yeah, Mm hmm.
This is a problem. If you don't have a Caleb or an Imam or a salt pond, like in Oman, they have soap on bubbles. He says it's Ramadan. Everybody fast Ramadan. That's the way it works. And, and there's a benefit to that, you know, to have a unified because even in Saudi, they have to go with the government. If the government says it's Ramadan, it's Ramadan, even the prophets lysozyme said, you know, either call me omotola home, your eat is the day that you sacrifice, meaning that if you made a mistake, it doesn't matter. It's still eat. So even if the government makes a mistake, it's not on the people. It's on the government if that if they did it by using incorrect criteria. I mean, we're
I'm trying, I'm trying, I've been working with a group of people trying to get, you know, but our community is just so dysfunctional, you know, we've been trying to get together thing to take to the highest levels in Saudi, you know, because the problem is they have an element that don't understand this stuff. Literally. They think it's astrology.
You know, they think astronomy and astrology, and they're kind of, you know, this is the problem. So they're a llama,
you know, don't follow the opinion of what's called nithi. You know, the mvmt what I did in this macera. Remember, karate said, astronomers can negate the sighting. But they cannot. They cannot calculate it. So if astronomers say it's impossible for the moon to be seen, on that day, and people come and they say they saw it, we say you didn't see it, you saw something else.
Because the moon, you can't see it. If it's the world record is 15 hours.
The world record is 15 hours naked eye sighting, that's the world record.
The I mean, there's a there's a project that the granite is doing now, which is they're trying to determine when the
you know, they're they're studying and they're using Muslims to do it, because they've gotten interested in this problem from us. NASA has a section on their website for Muslims, because they are interested in it. They didn't used to be interested in but now they realize it's an interesting
topic, but and I recorded this in that society members, Nassau, which is the highest. I mean, that's it. That's the pinnacle of astronomy, in I mean, the English might say Greenwich's, but, you know, NASA is you know, that's it, they have the biggest budgets, everything they say on their website, you cannot predict the visibility of the moon, you can only predict the probability of its visibility, you cannot predict its visibility. And what is not is telling us is I mean, suffered a lot you know, I don't want but I mean, everybody this is you know, in here isn't it took that position and other and other people have taken it and certain countries are arguing for it. Now.
There's There's onomah that are arguing to abandon naked eye citing because they say look, we've got anarchy. All the problem is not the anarchy. It's a problem is nobody cares about Islam anymore. That's the problem. If we had international conferences and brought people together, had intelligent people explain this, this stuff could all be resolved very easily, but we're dysfunctional the religions in a in a incredibly inept state, you know, in our Omar napt, our organizations are inept. Our conferences are nap. I mean, you do a conference here, and it's all planned, it all runs on time, they all deliver their papers, the papers are published that you go to a Muslim conference.
And you know, the guys are shuffling their papers around because, you know, they just printed it off the, the the computer, right?
You know, I mean, I've been to the highest levels of Muslim conferences in the world. And I've seen the highest functioning people in that we have in the oma and we're a mess.
You know, so I'm waiting young people need to wake up and realize there's other ways that this can be done. There's reasons for the distance.
functionalities, you know, they're more urban societies and and they don't give religion its do anymore and the government's don't really want to they just religion is a control mechanism. You know Ramadan's not really that you know, they don't care. What's the problems? What's the problem? You know?
fast on Tuesday, why not?
Right? Seriously, that's the way they look at it. Whereas people that take their religion seriously, it's no, I want to fast when God told me to fast I know. And you know, it's like Shehata. He said, Why are these people so hasty too fast, because if you delay your fast for certainty, you get a reward. But if you hasten your fast without certainty, you're doing something wrong. So why is everybody in such a hurry? Well, the reason they're in a hurry here is because we live in a in a highly structured society that demands dates. And so if you want your day off from the job, and the boss says, Well, what say, Would you like Abdal? Well, it's either going to be Tuesday or Thursday.
You know, you got to make up your mind because,
you know, I can't make up my mind. Well, why not? Because it depends on the moon sighting. Depends on the moon sighting. So we'll, we'll cancel that conference that we had planned on Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on whether you cite the moon. Do you see what I mean? So that's the problem. Or we want our kids to have holidays like in in New York, they just voted the whole city council voted to give the Muslims their EAD. So now the city council's planning their little write their little calendar for the coming year. Okay, who am so Wednesday? What day is it going to be? Well, it's either going to be on the 13th or the 14th. You know, it doesn't work for the New York City School
Council. They're not going to have a little question mark on their calendar. You know, this is the day all the Muslim kids get off.
Wow, that doesn't work like that either. Because the day is a lot of time. Yeah. But that's true. They give two days. Yeah. But they're not going to do that. So this is the problem people want. You know, that's why I called it Sicilian moon verse, you know, Syrian verse, the doctor can calendar in the date when you when you give birth, right. So, I mean, trust me,
these obstetricians, you know, they love Sicilian verse, because they can they can get their golf in on Thursday because they know they're going to be free between right? But if you know April doesn't know when's her waters gonna break? You know, it's hard to schedule in that golf game. Right or you're playing on the eighth hole and the phone rings and April's waters burst and he has to leave his game so they love
c sections that's why there's been studies done that there are far more c sections done in this culture than or are necessary.
Why because they make a lot more money to you have the operating theatre you have operation this true? Don't Don't think all these doctors are selfless? You know, they got to pay their yacht bills and and right there private airplanes. I mean, I have a doctor he's got a private airplanes, like,
I'm worried now about like, so what what's that? 1500 there for? Yeah. Right. Seriously, because those guys, you know,
Okay, good. Yeah, if you hadn't Matata the hanafy position
is any signing anywhere in the world is valid for everywhere in the world.
And that is an interesting position. And I'll tell you why. Generally, the full moon will be unified around the world. The night the moon's full, it's gonna be unified. So there's a there is an argument for that, you know, I think of a honeyeaters position. The Moloch is said if the distance becomes greater than Andrew sia, which is now Spain, and hora sun, which is Central Asia.
Then if if the signing is so if they saw it in Spain, it doesn't apply for Central Asia. However, if they saw it in Central Asia, they're definitely going to see it in Spain. All right. So the West is not a hedger is a hugger over the East but the east is not a hedge over the West. That's the Qaeda. So if they see it in Sudan,
You know, you call grandma and she says, you know, Ramadan Mubarak, we saw the moon. And you say you really saw it. Now, you know, grandma doesn't lie. So you don't need two witnesses, right? But by the time the moon gets to where you are in Champaign, Illinois,
you if it's a clear day, you have to see it. There's no way she could have seen it. And it won't be seen here.
So if you don't see it, and it was a clear day, and nobody saw it, grandma might have had one of those hairs on her
butt Muslims want to fast with back home, there's a lot of immigrants here. They want to break their fast with it, so they can call on the EAD. You know, it's not very much fun. When you know, your uncle calls from Damascus either como bata coolamon, to be higher. We're still fasting. Um, you know, tomorrow is our he each had an omen, Honda non mushy, you know what's going on? Right?
We saw it, you know, and then you get into the hole. So there's, there's so many things that people aren't odema, right. And there's all these emotional things. And people, you know,
that's what I mean. It's not a hugger, we're the hedge against them. Because if they say they saw it, and we don't see it, we're up against them that they didn't see it.
Whereas if we see it, right, we're not a hunter for them, because they didn't necessarily see it because it's born much later in the West.
So they can say, well, they saw it in California, but that doesn't apply to us, because we're in Morocco. And there wasn't enough. You know, the moon wasn't old enough, because it gets eight hours by the time it gets to California or 10.
That's my argument. Let the Californians decide.
Now, because, you know, it's it's a,
there's definitely California is a strong for when it's visible in California as a first sighting. There, it's a strong position, but it could be we missed it, you know, and it could have been seen in earlier place. And we didn't see it, depending on if it was in the south. The real problem that I have, and I haven't worked this out, is the cut off of Mexico, you know, is is really kind of a racist thing.
Like, why do we say North American sighting? So if they if I'm in in Houston, and I don't see the moon, but in to Havana, they see it or in in? in Juarez they see it? Why don't we take that sighting? That to me is a problem. South America, because we're on the same latitude, longitude, right? So the latitude is going to, you know, if the latitude is different, you can really not see it on the entire latitude. But the longitude, you can see it in South America and not see it. But it's the same your because you're on the same longitude. It really is your moon is your domain. So we expect the Canadians to fast with us here in North America. Right? Because we saw it in
California, even though they can't see it in Canada, but we don't use the same criterion with South American is what I'm saying. So it's a problem. These things need to be resolved at the level of conferences and debate and argumentation until we can clear this thing out. But Muslims are the most you know, people tell me, I don't like organized religions. I say Islam is the religion for you. We are the most unorganized religion on the planet.
No, we could have seen it if it's a sliver, you know, because because there's a lag time of three hours, which is considerable. Right? You know,
because the angular separation.
Okay. here's, here's the horizon, say them will fall occurred here, like your horizon is here because the earth is round. So the mafada occurs here, the moon starts moving away from the sun at this point, right, as it's moving, and it's on an Angular, right like this because it's rising like this. Okay.
So, in Saudi Arabia,
Rabia, when mothership comes, it's right there. All right, there's the crescent. But because it's so low on the horizon, the angular separation isn't 12 degrees, because 12 degrees is when it becomes visible. So let's say it's at six degrees here. All right? They're not going to see it, you cannot see it, you could see it with a telescope. But once you open up the telescope, then you have to go to the masataka. Because the telescope can see them afar. And that's the problem with telescopes.
Because I've we've seen it you can see with a binoculars
but if you go without a naked eye sighting, then you've entered into a slippery slope, and you're going to have a real problem. That's why it's it's better to leave it at naked eye sighting. Why? Why do you think the prophesies have never went out to cite the new moon?
There's no Hadith that the Prophet went out to cite the new moon
he had telescopic sight.
He saw 12 stars in Pleiades, there's only seven.
If you get a modern astronomy book, and look at a picture of Pleiades with the Hubble telescope, or one of the major telescopes they use. There are 12 big stars in the constellation of Pleiades. I counted them myself, you can open up any book, there are 12, but that's a clear miracle. The problem lies in him. He saw 12 stars in clearly because he could see much further than just like he could see behind his head, he could see much further than normal humans. So he didn't go out because he would have seen the moon right when it appeared. There it is, nobody else could see it.
What's that? Other the Sahaba went out, they and they spotted it, he didn't go out. None amazing.
So now now, Saudi didn't see it, even though they claim to.
Alright, so this, it's only here. It's only been a few hours.
Okay, so say it was six hours here.
Now down the road in Morocco.
It's now you're at 12 degrees. So the Moroccans go out and they see
with a towel, somebody sees it with a binoculars, but nobody sees it with naked eyes. So Morocco says it's not Ramadan.
Now we're down in the US.
People go out, this is still low on the horizon, by the way. 20 hours, not high. And it's not going to be much of a crescent. Right? But people go out. And people in New York don't see it.
23 hours later, people go out in
so now we're 23 hours they go out. And and they see it in California, right? So they know Ramadan's tomorrow. Now technically, we could call Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia is already past fudger.
So that day,
you know, unless the owner ma You know, you're not supposed to fast on the day of check, which is another proof to me that the prophet SAW I said and did not intend us to calculate it because he said mon sama? yom is check for the outside of an awesome if you fast on the day of doubt. Then you disobey the Prophet. What is the day of doubt?
It's the 30th day after the new moon of shot bang. Because if you went out on the 30th night, and you didn't see it, so you've completed 29 days of shot ban, sunset comes you go out this is the 30th Day of shabang. You don't see the moon, it could be Ramadan. It could be but it's doubt it's a doubt it's checked. You don't know it either is or it isn't. So the Prophet said do not fast the day of doubt. Even Omar fasted the day of doubt if it was cloudy.
So what what he understood that to mean if you went out on a clear day and didn't see it, but if it was cloudy,
He fasted as a precaution, because you could end up fasting
the next month, right? If you had 30 days of the previous month, and you were off, which is possible. So now you're actually to date you could end up being but the beauty of the lunar calendar is it's a self correcting calendar. It can never if you follow it properly, it will never be more than a day off. But when you when you start finagling, it was calculations, you can get up to three days off. That's the difference. Because Because the the average, the average month is 29.5 days, but that average is an average. The reality is, some are 29.2. Some are 29.9. It you see what I mean. So the average is 29.5. And that's why we have either 30 or 29 days, and it will work equally,
it's equally distributed throughout the years. So you can have six months. That's why the Arabs and jelenia used to have 2930 2930 that's why they did it, irrespective of the just made things easier. The Jews do what intercalation was, the prophet said was a type of Kufa was where you add days and subtract days. So every four years, the Jews add 10 days to their calendar.
So they can calculate.
I don't see the moon. And then
hours later, the moon is not cited in Spain and direct reports ledger.
But the Saudi government would say says they see the Spanish they don't see the moon. So almost ledger Nova Scotia hasn't seen the moon isn't?
Because, you know, it depends. I mean, these are he had that. Technically, you can fast with Saudi is a valid, you know, I wouldn't do it. They had to first days of Muharram this year.
Everybody got newspapers on the first of Muharram said first and Muharram they read it the next day, it said first and Mahara and they didn't say anything to anybody.
Look, we could solve this very easily. Even in the United States, I guarantee you, we can predict when the moon is going to be cited, we can do it. And we can have naked eye sighting.
Because we've been doing this for how many years like 15 years, every month use of this material and a group of people go out every month, he takes pictures of the new moon the credit, he's got a record of the new moon for the last 15 years.
He knows exactly where they're going to be. He knows he knows how accurate these things 12 degrees angular separation, if it's a clear day, we're going to see it.
And fortunately for America, we have clear days somewhere. It doesn't matter if it's winter, summer spring or for our continent is big enough, somebody in Florida, Texas, and California is going to see the new moon somebody is just that's the way we have. So we can actually have a unified sighting in this country if we all got on board with the same basic criteria, but the problem is, you know, isn't as using a nine degree angular separation, that's their degree that that is optimal, perfect conditions. Record citing.
It's not going to happen so you're not going to get isn't as calculation and assiting in the same they're always going to be a day ahead of that naked eye ciders. And that's why I asked Holly ciocca to I like you know, and he's a good guy. Just give us three degrees
you know, three degrees that's all we're asking. You know what that is? It's 12 minutes.
Just three degrees
in terms of calculation, do they know what
wouldn't be able to see
Yeah, exactly. That point change it changes throughout the year. Oh, yeah. changes that that's why you get these different sites I you know, I mean, I really feel like it's like God just he did it. It's the wrench in the works. You know, it's it's, I'm not going to give you a schedule that you can you know, you can calendar in on because my religions not a convenience religion.
And then I want you to go out and look, I want you to look forward to this day. You know, I don't want you to Oh, yeah, when's wrong?
I'll start at the 22nd of August. Oh, great, you know, and then
I mean really, that that's, that's what everybody wants, but I actually get my kids out, we go up Mount Diablo they're all excited, whoever sees it first gets $20 you know and and it's a really neat isn't a nice every year it's amazing and when we see it and if we don't see it Mashallah not Ramadan, we go back down then the next day we've gotten it's you can see it and it's exciting and it's wonderful and and i think that's part of the you know, it's an all you have to do is read Titus Burke hearts description of citing the moon in fez in a book he wrote called fast the sacred city of Islam. He said that in Ramadan, everybody in FAS gone on their rooftops, and they would go out. And
he said that this is 1932 pre, you know, hardly any electricity. So, you know, he goes out and he says, suddenly you'd hear this a lot like Bob, and then a lot,
a lot. And he said before long the entire city
you know, it's just community that's, that's,
that's what we've lost
You know, we've we've lost human community, we've lost that, you know, and I experienced it, I experienced it in Mauritania and, you know, I experienced in place in Morocco, and people don't realize what it is, it's been lost. So you can do your calculations you can factor in you can go online and have your virtual community and, you know, you fast online and do all that stuff. But, you know, I, I don't I don't know how much the what the Sahaba would recognize of, you know, this religion, you know what they would.
So, but it's a beautiful description.
And if you've experienced it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Just the joy
because the you know, the reason they call it is the Helen,
you know, the birth of the New Moon is and it's the same word that's used for the birth of a baby, because there's a shout of joy. And that's literally what the dictionary is, say, it's sort of cattle for you know, it's a shout of joy on citing the new moon. That's, that's why they call it the it's the Hillel, you know, as big as the Hello. It's like, it's just such a beautiful thing. And it's pure emergence. You know, it's like a law. I mean, if you've ever seen the birth, because you can cite it, but I've actually seen the birth where it just appears and it's something amazing. I've only seen it twice. But if you see it, you'll know exactly what I mean. There's nothing like seeing
suddenly just come into existence. It's it's something just so glorious to see it literally
just appear. So you're looking you know exactly where to look. And suddenly it just appears just amazing. Anyway, you know, people
people are in do what they're going to do, but I'm going to try to keep this as alive as long as I can. And, you know, people can do what they do and what they feel comfortable with doing.
You know, I mean, I think you have to be careful. I wouldn't go against a community personally. Fortunately, we have enough people doing that, even though in our community, they fast different days, like many communities in the US, but if it's just two or three people, I don't know, I think
I think I'd rather be with the gym. You know,
they're certainly you know, these opinions are validated by valid scholars. So it's, it's a I would not go by by foreign sightings personally. But if people here you know,
if they have a sighting here and
so I don't know I mean, you know, it's a it's better to try to convince the community
You know, and the nice thing about the Pakistani community is that you've got these kind of, you know, deobandis that, you know, that
john Mubarak, yeah, bless the new moon. So, but you have these deobandis that, that, don't, they just, they want to follow this and, and, you know, we're trying to unify them. But like I said, we've got so much dysfunctionality in our community, it's really hard, if the naked eye community would get together. And really, you know, what we need to develop is, is committees around the US
that are certified, do you know, so that we're all, you know, within within an hour or two, we're gonna know, and every, so people aren't waiting to one in the morning. And because it is inconvenient for a lot of people, and you have to make it convenient, to the best of the ability, but, you know, I think there's a lot that can be done personally. It just needs effort. And, you know, it's one of those things like
it's just, it's exhausting to try to do you know, there's not enough Muslims doing stuff that they should be doing. Should be people working full time on this. I mean, you know,
you know, it's Yeah, you you have to send out people to because you get openings in clouds and things like that. So you should always go out and look, even if it's overcast.
Yeah, no, not and there's this, some people do that, I mean, should not be a divisive thing. That's the key thing. It shouldn't be like, we're right, and you're wrong. No, it's a laugh. We don't have a haccombe. And people have to follow their conscience. And the end of the day, you know, Islam is about I mean, I know more 10 inch shoe that I had my share, Hamadan literally didn't use too fast in the Emirates, with the Emirates, because he'd go out, he didn't see the moon and he grew up in the desert, he knows how to cite the moon, and he just wouldn't fast with them on Ramadan. So that was my and he was the only guy but he didn't make any announcements. And, you know, they're all wrong.
And I'm right. It was just his personal following what he believed my doctor has doesn't listen to the radio in the lockshop. It's the law child announces that there he said, they don't have Shahad than anything else. Why should I give him Shabbat in Ramadan? You know, I mean, they're not trustworthy in anything else. Right. So why should I give them? You know, on the other hand, Chateau bolaven Bay is adamant about following, you know, like, he follows Saudi Arabia because their old Armory and it's on them and, and he sees it as potentially, you know, it becomes like, Whoa, adage, you know, you're going out against your rulers, and that's his approach, which I think is probably
more farsighted approach. I mean, more 10 is nice. And it's there's no real central government in the way you have it in other places, because the bad one are pretty much autonomous anyway.
Yeah, I would do that. I would do that. I would go out to the IID. You know, and,
and pray with the community and and, yeah,
I think Lunch is ready
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