How To Convey The Call # 02

It's just got live again, I think so we're going through the review questions and the question that we're on now is number seven. How would you reconcile between conveyed from me even if it's one verse one ayah and talk about what you know only talk about what you know. So the brother said, you're in a party you should be in a path of knowledge, knowing more things and learning more things. But at the same time, when you convey only conveyed that which you know, now, let me just give you another question. See if you can understand this. What if you don't know a verse?

Less if you understood the concept, you know, no verse and give a teaching in accordance? Yes, I mean, at the bare minimum, you can

say you can just good so you you deliver the bare minimum. But this also refers to the point that when you're conveying Islam, it doesn't always mean you have to convey a verse, because then I discuss that you have the Tao of Quran, which is the verses themselves, and the Tao of the manner the meaning. So as long as you know, the meaning of why is that you're a Muslim, you're allowed to convey that. You see my point. And that is also referring to the fact that you're sticking to what you know, for example, you you may know, the meaning of the Shahada, you may know know verses connected to the Shahada, right, you may know Novus is I am connected to the Shahada. But you know

what it means as the most basic fundamental, if that's the case, just give that meaning and stop there. Does that make sense? So let me just now mirror this question in terms of reflected what are the detriments of conveying that which you don't know that will make you understand this question. So if you mirror the question now, what are the detriments of conveying that which you don't know?

So Pinilla, you should say,

absolutely. The shaytaan. And if you follow the portal shaytaan, then you're in trouble. You're in trouble? Yeah. Yes, yes.

Good. So you could go off on tangents, moving away from tawheed watering down the religion.

Absolutely the amount of brothers and we've done the same mistakes. You own a dow stole as if this dow store now has some kind of setup. It's got magic. And you behind the Dow stole outside of the Dow stole you just like a normal guy, you're in college, you're doing relatively you're just doing average, right? And the minute you're behind the dollar store, you become a professor of physics, philosophy, biology, epistemology, you become everything, you know, everything right. And that's a huge problem there. Right? So we have to learn or have I have no idea how to answer that question. It doesn't really undermine the kind of foundations what I'm saying, but I have no idea how to

answer that question. If you give me a number, I'll get back to you. Give me an email, I'll get back to you. And I refer to someone that knows very simple strategy. And remember that sense of humility may awaken the truth within may awaken someone's fitrah so they understand what Islam is about just by your character saying, I have no idea. I said that when someone asked me a really complex question, and is also very moving and profound. I was like, You know what?

I just don't know how to answer that question. I'm sorry. No, like, you know, we had reconnected. And we would have Connect, we connected in a way that we probably would have never connected before. So brilliant. Any other detriments of not following this advice of basically conveying that what you don't know.

So just on that point, obviously, you can turn somebody away further away from religion causing harm and what have you. Right. But more importantly, I think, just to understand that fact that it's not about knowing the words on the wire. Very, very importantly, does that apply to the situation that you're talking about? Yeah, very good point. Do you have to make will do. But, you know, you don't want to do that, for example, that was an incident happened at a time that allowed them likewise, you know, the extremists, people they use Brian. And likewise, the bozo you don't you didn't do Dawa. They use it from a, you know, a legal manner? Right? Absolutely. So is that as a lie in that

situation is what? So what you're basically saying is that knowing a verse also includes knowing how to apply it, he of course, is very important. Absolutely. And that's what we mean by knowing a verse as well, knowing abstraction, but how it would apply in a particular context. Brilliant.

I want to work on something that Mr. myko Smith said, which was, if you talk about things that you don't know, it has a huge wider impact. And that's so true. And we saw this with the way we tried to prove the divine authorship of the Quran, right? You have many of the people in the past, they would would enter in a sphere of knowledge that they didn't know much about. And they would go so deeply into it and create a huge world call disaster and movement that has affected Muslims to this day. Right. And we're going to talk about this in the higher level sessions throughout the week, when we're talking about revelation and epistemology and the philosophy of science, and the multi layered

and multi leveled model of how to understand the Quran, and natural phenomena. So I don't want to go too deep. Now, by using that as an example to show that it can have a huge detrimental effect. If you talk about things that you know, you don't really know about, like even linguistics, or science, it can have a huge detrimental effect, to the point where you set people up for a fall. They they hold on to these things, to have faith. And then when they realize when they grow up and learn more, they realize it was baseless, and then they just fall. And that is very important. That's why it's far more better to say, I'm really unsure about this, or at least say, I'm just suggesting it, I'm

not completely sure. Be honest. Remember,

Allah guides, you don't guide, you can have the best arguments in the world, you won't get anybody right there, your arguments are a means not an end. And that's very important for you to understand, right? So how do you know, as we as we study so many different aspects, just to be prepared for objections, as we're doing in this nine day 10 day course? How do you know when you know enough about something? And when you don't? Because obviously, there's different human because it talks about the four people around you. And yesterday when I had to get into like entity or like, you know, those four Yep, yep. So thing is when it's compact, ignorance or compound ignorance, you don't

know that you don't know. Yeah, sorry. So the question is like, how do you know, but that's a spiritual issue, though, as well. Okay, absolutely. Because if you stay humble, and you stay patient, and you always refer to others, and do Shura, and you're always connected to the lemma, then you won't have that competitive ignorance problem, because someone has compounded ignorance, if they live in a bubble, frankly, or if they have friends that are not real friends. They're just Yes, men. Yeah. Oh, well done. You know, when people say well done to me, they're my enemy. Yeah, do my enemy man. Well done. It turned was wrong. Yeah. So the point is, what I would say is that's a

spiritual issue or social issue as well.

The way I do it now is I suggest I treat and we're going to discuss this when we review the fitrah I treat Tao as planting a seed, as you know, just take this, right, this is what I know from my limited understanding and knowledge, this is what I know.

And through that humility in the way you're expressing yourself, you plant that seed and it's up to Allah subhanho wa Taala, to water it if you like, and it will grow into the fruits of faith that's up to Allah. Just plant the seed. Just suggest always there are some things that we're totally certain about, but you have to explain what you mean by certainty to it. So this abstract intellectual certainty, I know, my heart, I am convinced, I have this heart centric, intellectual spiritual said certainty. And this is why I know and you just suggest it, right? And you give them a path to traverse and continue. So they can learn more themselves. get people to let go.

People go on a journey, right? And if you have that mindset, then what they take from you be like, that was very interesting what he said he was very humble, I'm going to investigate further. He didn't come across as if he had the total absolute arguments and truths about these things, but rather, he empowered me spiritually and intellectually, so I can continue my journey to write.

There's a difference between knowing Islam is the truth. And articulating Islam is the truth. It's not the same thing. You know, your mother is your mother, but I'm telling you, you can't prove it to me, you will never be able to prove it to me. If you follow an empirical paradigm, for example, it's impossible. I've done this guy to hundreds of people almost and it just can't be done. You can't prove to me a mother gave birth to you. Even if you give me a DNA certificate. It's impossible. You can't give me absolute truth. But you know, right. So knowing something, and articulating what you know, are two different things don't conflate them. Right? So you'd have certainty and conviction in

your heart. But sometimes the way you articulate why is some is a truth. It may not be as robust as possible. And that's why you have so many different factors are involved in class, humility, sincerity, timing, Baraka, so many different things do you make the right? So therefore be suggestive, be assertive, as best as possible. But be humble and just plant the seed and give people intellectual spiritual tools that they can carry on the journey in life? And inshallah that would turn into the fruits of your mind. All right. Yep. I think one detrimental effect that's worth mentioning is that we see this today

is the fact of the matter. So if you give it a certain image of Is there a certain image of Islam that we must encompass, understand, but if you present an idea that that's not in accordance to the now you're presenting something, maybe that's also or something that's new? Yes. Do that. And that's affecting the dean the essence of the game itself? Yeah, that does happen sometimes is rare. Now is more rare, especially in the UK. I don't know about.

Yeah, maybe maybe. I mean, from my experience, nothing comes to mind at the moment. But it can be that if you talk about things that you don't know, then you're inventing new matters in the religion that have no precedence, and that's very, very dangerous, right? Someone wants to come learn about us.

A person may say, Well, we pray for some very

extreme example. But hey, we pray six times a day, as opposed to five. So someone doesn't have that sort of knowledge and obviously, agreed to hear. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. So I mean, this is very relevant today. Today's I mean, I'm working with some of the US reverse. I mean,

today's time they were totally to learn who we need to

know. So Pinilla that's

happening today. Yeah, I know, Mike. Yeah. And this could be a slightly off topic, right again, but my view on these issues is that we basically

it's like reverse colonialism

is true to reverse colonialism. We don't even get it. Someone becomes Muslim, who's white, British, white American. And we say you have to learn or do

you have to water and commies look what happened to point man because man,

African American, he learned although he's very smart. Okay, we are joking. So the point I'm trying to say is, is deeper than that is deeper than that, from the it was deeper than that is deep enough from the point of view is because it's some for many of us has become so intertwined with social political identity, that that becomes an expression now it's expressed,

of whatever the issue of racism in our community. And this is very carefully, especially future imaams right from the Asian subcontinent community. This is a big fit, and I believe it's a cause for destruction in the Ummah based on ahaadeeth. Yeah.

And African American brothers, brother, he comes to a DC an Asian Masjid, and he becomes Muslim. What do you hear? takbeer Allahu Akbar, right. Here's some money. Here's some clothes. He's an order dictionary. Yeah, all that stuff. He is working in the community for 10 years.

pious,

beautiful brother, spiritual brother compassionate, loving. After 10 years, he goes to the same uncle. Pakistani Indian uncle says, Uncle Ji, you've known me for 10 years you've taken care of me. You know, you know who I am. I'd like to humbly ask for your daughter's hand in marriage. What happens to that uncle? They tuck beers they turn into

his pacemaker jumps out of his heart. You they're giving CPR. Yeah, he's finished because it's like no way because

Just because of his skin, just because of his skin, right? This is a big disease in our community. And I always say to the brothers, this is more racism in so called Muslim communities and outside. I know because I was from the outside. Yeah, I became a Muslim. I know how he is. Yeah. So much racism. It's, it's it's disgraceful. And there's a hadith and tirmidhi, there are two, there are many. There's a very, there's variations, but one of them is authentic. And I'm paraphrasing the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. He said, If a man comes to your door to have good morals, and you reject him for no reason, that will be fitna fill out, they'll be facade, facade and fitna, just

because of this interaction, because of maybe, you know, good reason, which could be because it could be because of the color of his skin. There'll be fininvest on I'd say, two brothers, maybe serious happening is because you uncle never allowed you to make that pious black brother. We need to take responsibility about these things, right?

So you know, this cultural reverse colonialism is is quite dangerous, right? And that's why I always say to brothers, you know, be be an expression of your community as best as possible. There was a brother in our community, he accepted us that we were there for a Shahada. And he was coming to the masjid for six months or so Mashallah went to another question. Then after this. We never saw him. And I saw him maybe four or five years later. He's an older guy in his 50s. And he accepted you know, what happened to you is like, every time I go to the restroom, somebody yells at me, why is like, I walk into the machine, somebody like rather even walk in with the right foot. I go into the

restaurant, rather than walk in with your left foot. I walk out of the restaurant where they didn't walk out with your right foot. I do this. And he was like, it got to the point where it was bad. I don't VIII. Yeah, I mean, me. But coming back to the topic of conveying, has everyone understood the point that we have to convey what we know. And stick to what we know. And if we are unsure, mention that, and also give people avenues to learn and progress further seeing the journey of understanding Islam, which could mean practically? That's a very good question. However, from my limited understanding, why not so far, this is the answer. However, however,

if you go on this website, or read this book, there's far more information about this particular topic. So for example, when we go through the goal rap, and someone asked a specific question that go rap, and you're unsure, say, I'm unsure about this theological point about the concept of Islam. This is my understanding. However, I could point you to the right direction. There's nothing wrong with speaking like that any, it creates a conversation, it shows humility, and also shows that you're human just like them. Right.

Now, of course.

So it's time to do this talk with your question. No, actually, I was gonna say,

I think we have a big reason why we're here is because of

people like ISIS and other extreme groups are conveying on behalf of Islam. Yes, it is trying to

be patching the issue. So you're going back to the question

is, you know, what is the detriment of conveying the wrong message? Well, can we address that with the next question, because it follows quite nicely. Can I want to show show I wanted. You said earlier, something I wrote down, which is, you said, as we are as universal as possible, I don't know if everyone got this point. But within the framework, yes, I'm coming from a traditional training. You're pigeon holed. And a map was added one time was said, it said that he never saw someone doing something wrong, because his knowledge was so bad. He understood the different opinions to show. So one thing that as to add this that, I guess, a question on it, that if someone

asked you a particular photo or a

question, and you've been trained traditionally in this one machine, now, your teachers will tell you, you only give job according to that machine. But as though on the principle you just said is remain as universal as possible. Yep. Within the framework. Absolutely. I think this is a major issue where I have colleagues who know there's a clap, but won't voice the healer, because they're not allowed to, according to suhler fit

into to even mention the other filler because it's outside of their Muslim. So they know there's another fee that they won't mention the law, because they're taught not to mention that. Okay, here's my policy, right. Gender is a big place. It fits everybody. Yeah, that's my policy. In second. Yes, people gonna hold positions on photoemission

for themselves, but the art of dour is to basically allow them to walk into the door of Islam. Whatever room they want to sit in, let them do what they want to do. For example, most of the massage it in this country have a Hanafi background. Okay? Now so say you from Blackburn and we give down in Blackburn in the DAO stone and dow booth. And that person's from Blackburn in that particular village with 50 massages, the old hanafy. Only an idiot would teach them Shafi fillings, in my view, and I'm sorry, I'm using my words very carefully here. I'm not being rude. I'm saying an idiot will teach them Shafi.

Okay, because what you've done, you've potentially destroyed the person, you've totally dismantle them, because they're gonna go pray in the masjid, everyone in 50 mile kilometres 50 mile radius is praying something slightly different within the permitted differences. And they're like, what would I just learned? Right? Do you see my point?

The state of the person asking the question, of course, and this is why and this is a principle that you should all learn because you students of knowledge, when I studied or sort of stuck with myself,

but also in general, he basically says,

There's no point quoting people from the past, if you don't know, who said it, to whom they said it, why they said it. And in what context? If you don't give me those four, I don't care what you bring to me. I said, I don't care what I love. As I said, I don't care. Because you have no, no, because what you've done, you've actually verified non non non revelational text, you've taken a statement of a scholar with who we love and respect. And we're not even worthy to be the dust on their sandals. But you've taken this statement, and you've made it subconsciously into a form of Revelation.

We, honestly because they use it, they use that personal statement as deleted, you can't do that. Even spiritually, there's a problem. And I want to say this is like minus sherkin. Some views, you're deifying that person, you kind of abstractly say unless you know why they said it to whom they said it, in what context and who they were. Do you see my point? And he's very critical. And that's why sometimes, you know, I try not to quote any of them unless I know why they said it and to whom they said in, in what context. I know this is off topic, but it relates to stick to what you know, because sometimes you believe I know bro, a big Tamia said this Oh, really, really, really

juicy. My point was that he said this, or this Imam said this. And sometimes, just because you heard you check that you love, give you a quote, that gives you no authority now to use that quote as evidence. Now, there's a difference between your personal learning and the way you publicly articulate things like I have personal positions on some credo matters, right? For example, things like health things like heaven, I have created positions within the scope of the classical framework, that you may disagree with me, right? And I'll fight about, but I'll never publicly say them, generally speaking. Why? Because the Dow is no human, you know, quoting to yourself, you're

going to worship Allah subhana wa, you're saying here worship my views, worship my understanding of these furuya matches, worship my understanding of fake worship, my limited intellect know, Islam is very simple for people is to single out Allah subhanho wa Taala in worship, to love him to know him to love the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam full stop and let people go on their journey. These things that didn't go on the journey and we've all gone on the journey who was catapulted from the mother's womb with Bacardi and caught an eye nobody man but the way we act sometimes came we came into the world with all sorts of faith and sort of Sharia and all of these sciences and now we know

it all. Let's just turn down the the the

beer man, they kind of sectarian vibes, but so the point is,

it's Sunnah to give a persona.

It's to give a persona. What do you mean by this?

Absolutely. Like, are you gonna work at MSG? The Hanafi Masjid right with your shoes on?

Yes, there are so many reasons that you could pray your your shoes and sandals, according to certain views. But why are you so arrogant to walk into a machine that has all the view? I'm in a bowl in my muddy shoes and unless Did you see my point? So the point is clear, convey what you know. We've understood what that means. Now next point, which links to your point, Mr. Azad, how would you okay? A person comes to you and says ISIS is a true representation of Islam. How would you respond to us giving doubt to them? So let's do this right now. Stand up.

No, no everybody, so Mashallah, just as a, sir. So I'm the non Muslim. You're a Muslim right? So that's very interesting what you just told me very interesting Mr Azad, but ISIS, the the true representation of Islam.

We say, you know, forget Don't talk to me like I'm Hamza I'm Joey. Joey. I'm Joey. Okay. Mr. Assad, good to see you again today. I have another point for you today, ISIS, our true representation of Islam. Thank you for coming back. Joey, we really appreciate your time.

So I would equate that with, because you're in America, we would equate what you're saying with what the KKK represent of Christianity.

And that's fine. I'm a Christian. And so with, I'm not Christian, as odd is also I'm just talking about you and ISIS, ISIS or true Islam. Okay, my dear friend joy, in order for you to understand what Islam truly believes is that you would have to understand the concept of Islam. Since you're here again, I know you came to connect with me. And we would like to introduce to you what we as Muslims believe.

The concept is good. I like that. Like, that was good. That was good.

But I thought that was very good. Very good. Now, the point of this question here is, is that someone comes to you with a crazy question, right?

And what you did was very good, because you connected with me.

But when someone asked a crazy question, and you directly say, let me make a bit more crude fear. as odd. You Muslims want to drink the blood of all five year olds? You know, me? Like? That's a very interesting question. In order for you to understand the answer, you have to understand the concept of Islam. Right. But

the point is,

it's assuming subconsciously, that you're right, abundant spinit for you, let me spin it for you. Right. So we have to have the kind of psychological empathy here, which you did try and do, which was good. So what you did was, well, that's a credible saying the KKK represent Christianity. But what we needed from there as we practice yesterday was,

of course, ISIS do not represent Islam, just like kkk don't represent is Christianity. And for you to understand anything about Islam, you have to understand this concept, you got some time for me. So you take the scenario of a difficult question. You give a very quick response in a way that brings you back to Tao heat. This is very critical, right? very critical. Let's do this again with somebody else. This dude where he Jazzy, stand up, please. So

how's it going? Hey, jazzy. Good to see you. Very good. Very quick question. When we had a conversation last week, you know, I heard that basically, it you Muslims want to

rape all our women.

Okay, have you came to me with that concern? First and foremost, I would tell you straight forward, we don't.

But if you would like if you do have a few minutes to spare today, we can conversate and establish some dialogue, maybe come to common grounds, and I can teach you a little bit about the fundamentals of the Islamic faith. Good, good, right. That was brilliant. But there were two things I think we're missing two things. Who knows what they were?

Yes.

numbers of coffee. Yes.

rejection, you know, so you just said no, yes. A little bit more forceful in the rejection, but I think that's his style. He's from New Jersey, man.

So maybe Yeah, nobody's got that cool. Like nothing nothing. Nothing harms me. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you know, there's a nuclear war Don't worry. I'm gonna finish my coffee.

Yeah, they're gonna cool attitude. So yes, so what what I would have added is basically about the rejection and just to explain why, of course we don't want to wait women were taught to love women. Right. So that was one thing I think was missing was the second point. Well, what I mean by love women is respect women, by the way, yeah.

Freud's in the voting

phrase in the building, and I'm gonna love my wife. So

So what's the next what's the next thing that was missing? Slightly?

No, I think it was you did. The good link is bringing it back. Yeah, the way you link to so you, you. You made the conversation as if it was two separate sub conversations like no, we don't do this. And then if you would have a conversation me Then let's talk about foundations. What

What would have been preferred is to stitch it up. Like, of course we don't disrespect women. We respect women. That's what we're taught. The Prophet Mohammed upon VPS taught us the best amongst you the best to the wives. Yeah, whatever, whatever, you know, even if he says meaning, yeah, the best of their lives. However, if you didn't know anything about Islam, you have to know about its concept. You have to understand its concept in some time for me. So everything was there. I'm just trying to stitch up as best as possible. That's great. You guys got the point? Brilliant. so crazy questions, respond and use that response as a means to continue to link to Tao heat? Yes. As we use

the word anything? Are you assuming that he doesn't know anything? Or?

What I mean is if you don't know anything else about Islam, or if anything, if you want to know about Islam, or if you want to understand

anything about sound, which means anything, you're assuming that he doesn't know any?

No, I don't know. I think maybe it's a British thing.

Well, when I say if you don't know anything about Islam, I feel like if you don't know anything about science, then read this book. It doesn't assume that he doesn't know nothing about science. Do you see that's what that's that's that's the context. Sarcasm work there to like, support kind of said,

depending on the people Yeah, absolutely. Because some people don't do.

Oh, yeah, maybe in okay.

Maybe in San Francisco? I don't know.

I don't know. Cuz I don't think Americans do irony. Well, do they? Yeah, irony. The irony is really, I guess why? Understanding the

culture. That's why there are some alumni in this country we love and respect by tell you, I don't say to them do not follow this person's public strategy. He is awful, doesn't know the language doesn't know the culture doesn't know the nuances. And this guy is well respected, lame, stick to his hat, even his doros Why is he coming public talking about social political views on this stuff? He has no clue. Yeah, he's not aligns emotionally, you have to know your people. You have to know your people, right. And I said, the process, I would choose certain Sahaba they go to certain places for a particular reason, right. But we picked some guy from like, you know, the depths of some

village that has no idea about the cultural context in the west or any of their understandings, and because words are vehicles to meaning and the meaning is a representation of lots of different things that you do, you've been brought up your culture, and people need to have that understanding. Because you may use words in totally different ways, just because you're from somewhere else. Right? So it's very important. But um, anyway, so we got that point. Right. Next question. Why is the gossip method an effective approach to giving down? So what are the benefits of giving Dao using the god methodology? Yes, sir. You're going to get to the root covering the fundamentals, as opposed to

straight to the roots covering the fundamentals. What else

is prophetic? I like that. Give me some deliver.

Give some dealio. There's some evidence that the deal is

I think the deal is that two other profits after the add on that what determine the perfect invitation, the add on kind of goes through the go wrap? tobon

holla?

You say that again?

Wow.

This complete invitation, but the add on is this goal wrapping away with the greatness? Yes, of course. Then the prayer is so upon us very interesting. So what we have in the novel is Surah Yusuf will use of it he Salaam, I think is around verse 84, to 87 or something. When he's in the prison. He's asked what question

How did he reply?

Yeah, let me talk about Allah first. Understand, what is the basis of why I can interpret your dreams? Allahu Akbar. There's another piece of delay. We did this yesterday at breakfast in search of Hajj. What did Allah subhana wa Taala say?

He could find the I 60 something I believe

find a few right now. It's I actually read this during Hutch and I was like, This is go rap. This is Ally's telling you go rap right here has a Quranic base is a very direct Quranic basis.

What are you know big? Yes.

Brilliant. Now read the English for the brothers.

What verse Well, that's number 67 and 68 Okay, great.

67 and 68. So Allah Subhana Allah subhanho wa Taala says this, go to the Quran 22

Community aware of worshipers they follow. So they should not contend with you in this matter. And you should go on calling them to your Lord, You are surely on the right path. If they argue with you tell them God knows. You're doing brilliant. So this is the gap for me. So you worship differently, right? If they contend, if they argue with you call them to Allah. so uncomfortable questions. So vorbei, uncomfortable questions Allah saying, you worship differently, but if they contend, debate with you call to Allah call to Allah. And if they

have a debate with and if they debate with you say Allah knows.

This is true, because it's from Allah. No, because of my alcohol. Yeah, it's very beautiful to debate of the ayah. It relates to the gore app. Right? Good. So another benefit of the

evidence.

So most of the salon comes to her on and he said to him, explain to him that you should worship God says, well, didn't you kill him? And didn't you do this? You do that every single time when you say no to the east?

Allah subhanaw taala.

Brilliant. Brilliant is

another benefit of the Gar app. So it's adhering to the law. Yes, it's adhering to the innate disposition, really going straight to the things that the fitrah has primary knowledge of, which is the worship of Allah subhanho wa Taala. Which is very interesting, because if you remember, in the Sierra, when in the after fudger, when we hit the avant of nearby nearby towns, what would the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam say after the tuck beard, he will say, lol fidra these are the people of fitrah. This is very interesting. So a manifestation of glorification of Allah subhanho wa Taala is fitted. And then when they continued to align, this is Islam. So there was like a

distinction between what is fit along with Islam. So the affinity to worship and have and I have to give you the evidence, they remind me on lunch, let me pocket.

Yeah,

people have fitrah.

So

there's an indication here that a glorification of Allah subhana wa Tada, a worship of Allah is a primary knowledge of the fitrah. And some LMS. They say, the Hadith when the roar of the soul was given to Adam at his time, he came from his nose, what did he do?

He said at hamdulillah. Yeah, so praising Allah is part of the fitrah. And they said, the fate of therefore is contained in the roar. It's in the soul. Allahu Akbar. But we could talk about this much later, in more depth. During the next couple of days, I want to focus on the benefits of the Gara. Yes, my understanding of gravity is importance is basically around taking a look at your current situation, it basically walks you through, what are the things that we need agreements on and in order of importance, right. So going back to the time of the Prophet sallallahu, wasallam, I think it's good to sort of support the golden thing. But that's not the only way of supporting any

methodology because his time You know, when you send me a deal on to, you know, people, Christians, you know, the disagreements were this. So here's, here's where you start for us is the disagreements are just God exists? Is he one, is he a lot? Well, I would disagree, because the goal, rap is not a linear pathway. Because the gorp is a toolset. And you don't have to use every section of the goal, right? And that's very important for you to understand. Some people get stuck on initiation, and then common sense and they stuck on common sense for five years. The guy already knows what common sense is, you'll have to re explain it. You mean there's a sensation of you know what's going on

here. For example, if someone believes in God and he believes God is divinely singular that he is one from that point of view. There's no point going for the Kalam cosmological argument, the design arguing the contingency argument, the argument from consciousness, the teleological argument, and you're there with him for 10 years, then you're giving him some tallied. Remember, you need to assess the situation is very important that it's not linear. So like a domino dominoes falling treaty as a toolset. Sometimes all I do is go straight to Quran, especially if my time is running out. I go straight to Cora. Right. Especially if I know the person already affirms oneness here

firms divine, the divine reality, then it says a Quranic time Quran affirms purpose Quranic terms was happening, if you reject this purpose, the Quran talks about what your why you are here, the Quran is divided. Next is an announcement of mankind of who Allah is who that divine reality is. That's the golden rule for me. That's my preference, right? So treat it as a toolset right? To the truth because sometimes I do

totally missed common sense from talking to my professor, for example, I'm not going to say, you know, we go use your brain sometimes, right? It has to make a little bit of sense. Yeah. haven't I been teaching you that for three years? Do you see my point? crude example, but it makes the point. Give me two more benefits and we move on to more benefits of Gara. Yes, conclusion.

Yeah, you asked for the Shahada always asked for the Shahada. The amount of new Muslims The only became Muslim because they were asked is phenomenal. They already were Muslim internally. They said no one asked to be no one asked me. Why because sometimes we treat Islam like a gang. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, he always mentioned this on YouTube and I think is very profound where he says, I did not enter banni Islam.

There is no Benny Islam is not a tribal Islam, right? I allegiance to Allah subhana wa. Tada. Right. So the point he's trying to say here is that we've created we've created kind of

a was it, members club, sometimes you have to like apply for membership. The door is always open.

The door is always open. That's how we should treat her. Absolutely. So we have to make the code we make the code and we say, you know, would you want to

enter the brotherhood and sisterhood of Islam and, you know, taste the sweetness of connecting with your Creator, you know, absolutely.

Another benefit of God, which is what's the most obvious benefit? Yeah, one answer to many question, guys, one answer to many questions, because I'm telling you, if you think you're going to answer all the questions, you'd be here, it was a day of judgment. All right. hamdulillah Good. Let's move on.

Right. Many of you may like this one. Let's do practically let's do it with you. My beloved brother stand up.

Are you ready?

Tao scenario right. Hi day, mate. Good to see you. All right.

What's your name? mate?

Zhi. SHAN nice name mate. My name is

Frank.

I had you guys can my four wives. Yes. Oh, no.

Kidding.

So

in the context of what we learnt yesterday, let me rephrase the question is a bit soft for you. I think yeah.

I heard you guys love fighting Yes or no?

Yes or no?

Very interesting question.

Yes or no? May I just want yes or no, I want no waffle Ain't got time for this. I want Yes. Oh, no.

I am calling me Don't tell me to calm down. I am calm. Yes. Oh, no. Do you guys love fighting?

Also, you do love fighting them? In some circumstances? In some circumstances is necessary right? We mean like that and a

nice peaceful people like anybody else.

I don't care if you're peaceful or no, if you like fighting me Yes or no?

Do you beat your wife mate? Yes or no?

The fundamentals of Islam. Okay, that's good. So that what that shows to me that you understood the Gora the link between initiation. But if you remember, we want to address how you addressed remember there were two contentions. It was a crazy question which we've done. And a yes or no, what do we do at the yes or no scenario?

Yeah, but how do you get them to understand that that was the question that was a place? Yes or no? You don't have to use that. Exactly. Guys. I don't want clones in this room. Right? Everybody is a fantastic name. Yeah, I know. Our clones are fired in here. I want you to be yourself. so brilliant. So you sit down the SEC stand up. You did really well stand up. So

mate,

on non Muslims going to hell yes or no?

So you're, I understand your question. Yes. So no, mate.

No question. Because there are many things in life that are not yes or no questions. How old are you? What's your name? You know, what, what do you do? Who are you? You know, those are not yes or no questions. So, your question? Well, I understand what you're asking. In order to understand that properly. Let's actually mean we have to put some underlying clarifications about Assam itself, and then that'll put clarification towards your question is good. I like that. That was quite good. That was unique. Good.

How would you slightly improve that how you put that you know that so that guy did on that viral video.

You know, you gave me some good piece of meat that brought me a little bit of soap. So who's gonna do this?

Well, he was, so I wanted him to convince me Why yes or no wasn't the approach. He didn't really well, but he externalized it too much for me. He was basically saying, boy, look, all these questions, no yes or no questions. So why expect this for me? What it would be nice for me to understand it within myself. Like, what's your views about a particular topic? Yes or no? So you can't answer yes or no, either. If he doesn't represent you, how's it going to represent me? And I know you're here, sincerely, beginner, but people usually say yes or no, they're not sincere. But when you publicly elevate them, because Islam is about elevating people, even if they're evil, and

they want to hate on you, if you elevate them say, Look, I know you're sincere. I know you're a nice guy.

And sincere people accept that yes or no is not an answer to this question. Because he doesn't represent you. He won't represent me. If I ask you. What's your views on abortion? does it represent you? Yes or no? Of course it doesn't. So why do you think will represent me, sir? And I know you're sincere to have a conversation with me to see my wife. Brilliant. Excellent, good. Let's move on. Yeah, any any last question on this?

That's interesting. That's interesting.

Bro.

Okay, very important point guys. Explain why the fitrah is the entire basis of our Dawa and use to ultimately determine existence of God and our worship and all of these things

fit at a time.

Yes. So,

rationality has no basis

within itself, it needs something to grounded outside of Russia and wise will never stop like the sniper example. So rationality

is a means to an ends right.

Okay.

Okay, boys, that means to

that means to the to awakening the fifth.

So, I love Star Wars. I love Yoda. When I had one of the old slides that had Yoda with this saber thing, and I put awakening the truth within or the truth within a weakened innate is backward grammar. So

awakening.

Yes.

Okay. So what else do we understand about the federal Why's the basis for the Dow?

Yes, part of the super rational

rationality. Okay. What does that mean, though, in essence, the super irrational,

itself beyond rational thinking.

Something that perhaps you can explain. So my favorite color is blue, for example. And that's just something that is opinionated is something that you can assume is how you make sense of the rational. Yeah, yeah. As if the rationality is the thing that, like, the super rational is the thing that that contains rationality. Yeah, that keeps it afloat from that point of view.

But in the context of the Dow forget the theological acid because the future is not an argument, by the way.

I know it was mentioned as an argument yesterday, it's not an argument. There's no such thing as an a federal argument because that's like a paradox, because open up fitrah is itself in a self evident innate knowledge. You can't argue that the natural disposition to natural disposition so it's not an argument, it's actually the framework in which we understand our arguments is the framework in which we understand the Dow is the framework in which we understand the human being, do you see because look, this is so important to you to clarify Here, take this heart right as the fitrah Okay. Within the fitter contains knowledge, knowledge of Allah subhanho wa Taala knowledge that he deserves to be

worshipped a proton knowledge if you want to use such terminology. Now, according to the Hadith in Sahih, Muslim hyrum is a hadith

every child is born the statement fitrah Yes. And what happens? Because children because the parenting the socialization affects them. And Mineola even talk about sins and bad learning bad experiences.

Cloud the fitrah, right? It gets crowded. So our job as daut is to unclouded the fitrah.

Through rationality through good interaction through Qur'an, through howdy and awaken the clouds, the fitrah Qur'an Hadees in good interaction experiences, negative, positive, spiritual, are all means to awaken the truth within, they are not ends in themselves. And that is so important.

That is so important. This makes sense of the Divine Will Allah guides whom He wills, Allah doesn't say Allah guides those who are intellectually convinced that one plus one is equal to two, right? This is a this is based on his boundless wisdom, right and infinite wisdom. These are means and I'm telling you,

I'm not Muslim, because of rationality.

Maybe helped me get there many, many years ago, but now I'm laughing I I'm Muslim for holes of different reasons. Yeah, I love them my experience as well, right? Like, can you really describe what it feels like to be in such the in tahajjud to someone who's never experienced it before.

mean that you just, it's it's hard to it's hard to deliver the type of experience, no matter and you can't rationalize that and rationalize it in a way that will make sense to someone. You just have to give them something that they could facilitate that type of experience for them. So you could awaken the fifth row to their hiding that refer back to

what we call the super fits about like

the one that person will taste the sweetness of the mind. Yeah, taste is not rational. Of course. It's

something we're speaking about. Yes, yes. And you shouldn't be afraid to talk about these things. Because in the western intellectual tradition, I did this for my for the postgrad that they don't know how to explain consciousness, how to explain subjective experience it D scopes, the third person objective view of science, they have to go into philosophy. The whole of neuroscience is based upon the assumption that neurochemical firing is equivalent to subjective experience. But that is a philosophical assumption that requires philosophical investigation, which is forced by the way reductive materialism and eliminative materialism they talk about is false. You can't reduce

subjectivity to neuro chemicals firing, they appear so different, right? But anyway, the point here is

don't be afraid to talk about these things because they're part of human reality east or west, right. So rationality, can unplowed the fitrah experiences can unclouded the fitrah. Howdy. prophetic teachings could uncover there's one guy who was alcoholic, he read a book on Hadith. He stopped being alcoholic became Muslim.

Just by reading the Hadith, it's a wilken something within him, right? People just listened to an IR of the Quran. There are some people that had an eye of the Quran they just went straight to such that there's one person who had an I had a heart attack.

Yeah, this is all part of our tradition. There's a really good book by Professor Malik buttery is called contemplation of psycho spiritual studies, really good little small booklet to read. He's a professor from the Islamic University of Malaysia, I believe. It's called contemplation, a psycho spiritual study. And he says, contemplation and meditation and tougher Quran, de Boer, all of these things they neglected Nevada is a neglected act of worship. And he quotes that people look at a blacksmith and faint, because by looking at the heat, they did such intense reflection that you reminded them of the North. And they said acts upon it, they just painted from that powerful

reflection. You had statements from Sahaba or students have Sahaba. They observed ants. And they and you see in our tradition, they talk about the behavior of ants that only recently they talk about. Mr. Singh is a scientific miracle. Of course, no, it says they had very amazing

insight and observation on these things because they were people of meditation or people of color people, people have pondering and reflecting yet perfect karoon for those who reflect right, they were these type of people.

So reflection, meditation, Quran, Hadith, positive experience, cleaning their driveway, you'd be surprised. Anything giving them food, give them a curry. You don't know what's going to open the door. Unlike his people, spiritual windows of opportunity. Throughout people's lives, you don't know it could be a death in the family. It could be you being a good advisor. You don't know. So these are ways of awakening the truth within. We have a truth within which is the worship of Allah subhanho wa Taala that He exists, he deserves worship. It gets clouded. That darkness

All the dots do is use different strategies and the gossip is like a rational strategy. It's a means to an ends, it's a rational strategy to awaken the fitrah. To awaken the fitrah. Therefore, this would know get you into the struggle of the EU will not lead you to many problems of like, if he says, I have to say that I always have to respond, it would allow you to understand since I know within his nature, he already knows I need to find strategies to awaken what he already knows. What I'm doing at the moment is not working. Maybe I should buy him lunch. Right? Do you see my point?

And and and it moves away from this kind of why called extreme rationalism, right? Which is incoherent for the philosophical reasons, but we don't have to talk about it. So this for us, I think, is a very profound model. It's aligned with the prophetic literature aligned with the Quranic view, it's also in line with the nature of Allah subhana wa Tada. And it's in line with the Dow itself and how the Dow works. And we see experientially you know, people become Muslim for so many different reasons, right.

And I'll give you a personal example, there are times where x Muslims will come to this office, and they will ask me a question, I'll give them an answer. And they loved it so much, they became Muslim again. But I wasn't convinced in it.

I was rationally convinced in it by I wasn't convinced in it. Has that happened to you before that, you know, something here to be true, but he is not true? And have you felt something here is true, but here is not true? How many times has happened in your life? What about scientists? Right? You know, they have the same empirical data where they go five ways of explaining it. Why what makes them shift. And those explanations are all equally epistemic from an epistemological point of view. So why why pick one from the other? Something is going on here. Right? So and it's very, very important for us to understand that the role of the fitrah because it prevents us from

of, we think we have to get everything intellectually, right.

We are just cleaners of a clouded fitrah that's all we are.

There is a fitter within us, we acknowledge Allah subhana wa tada and he deserves to be worshipped.

People get clouded fitrah Our job is to clean it. Sometimes we use the go rap. We use good o'clock, good behavior, loving attitude, good human beings, and we unclouded the fitrah. And we let the truth within shine. Simple. And this is why it's very important. You bring up your children, that you bring them up, and you preserve the fitrah bring up children is the preservation of the fitrah. It's the preservation of the fitrah itself. And this lead maybe next week, we could park it to a type of humanism, if we say, like, this way is already inside of you.

But why No, no, I don't think about humanism because humanism basically is you don't need God. You and you don't need God for human moral values. So that's what I'm saying. But the fifth, but the fifth has been given by God. And its knowledge of God. There's a difference humanism whenever you say, Well, yeah.

Yeah, it's natural. Okay, it's from a lot. Yes. But just for devil's advocate, that me person is born with this natural so a person could say, non Muslim sitting in this class would say, Okay, you've clarified my,

what I already had inside of me here, but if it's unclouded, then they should be Muslim. Okay, because it's the natural way.

That's the point because what's the fitrah? To acknowledge Allah to worship Allah and some LMS a basic moral values? So the humanists have the third one. They're not alien. They got the basic universal moral values. Yes, the underlying concept of some of the common moral denominators we agree. But where's the worship? Where's the acknowledgement of Allah subhana wa, Tada. Your fitrah is slightly unclouded. It needs the next level clean, bro. 5995.

You know, when you go to Car cleaning, you have your $10 version $20 version, the $60 version, right? They just went for the first version to clean inside. Now, you look clean from the outside, but there's some terrible mess within time to clean. And that cleaning process could be more optimal arguments, more rational arguments, it could be buying them pizza, it could mean them see things in a different way. It could be interpreting the interpreting the negative and positive experiences in a more in a more Islamic way. So they you know awaken the truth within right. So do you see the point there. So if you understand that the fitrah is an acknowledgment of Allah, worship of Allah

and basic moral values, those three and if you clean the fitrah enough with dour rational arguments, good behavior, it would awaken it to the point they would lead them to the acknowledgment of Islam which

Essentially is Tao heed, worship of Allah, that he deserves to be known to be loved to be obeyed, and that we direct all our internal and external acts of worship to Allah Allah.

Final question we move on. Okay, so please correct me if I'm wrong. So I think is one element of this is

that this is, you know, there are more ways you're going to then just experiment. Absolutely. But from I think, from a corporate perspective, I'm understanding correctly is basically two things. One is that are you mindset, that this is how you're looking at them. And then the second, the other thing is basically, you know, I've used it sometimes like, you know, even if you have this, you know, wrapping up, you're having a fight, you give them the message that this is your whole life, this is why we're here, this is what salvation is. And you know, let us think and think about it, and then it's okay to part on that as well. Right? Brilliant, if you give that this framework, and

you know, it will sink in now later, at some point they can walk away.

To summarize what you're saying, sometimes you can't clean someone's house, you just have to give them the Hoover the vacuum cleaner. Yeah, do you see my point. So you know, sometimes in your conversation, you want to help them oncloud the fitrah. They're not laying you because of other issues, because it's very, very clouded. What you may have to do is start the process and then give them the tools spiritual intellectual to do it themselves. And it will sink in. A good example is that you only have a block sink, you put that acid stuff inside, takes 24 hours to dissolve. You just may have to just throw the stuff inside and just wait for it to settle. Well lie. I'm telling

you in people's lives, you remember what someone told you 10 years ago, then it hits after 10 years. Never underestimate what you say in the dour. Honestly, the power of the tongue. And what you say you say one thing today, you could say one thing to me today, and it would change my life in 10 years, actually happened one brother, he wasn't I was non Muslim at the time in college. It's like high school, not University College in the UK is his high school, the later day of high school, the later years of high school. And he said when you're in frustration to your Lord, you're closest to your Lord. That hit me, I think a few years after, when I used to pray before I became Muslim. And

when I was in such the I was actually in the public markets in East London with like, 1000 5000 of those brothers, right? And I just used to pray with my friend, he decided to take me and I would scream to Allah. I say, God help me if this true guide has helped me. I remember my friend told me said Muslims when we prostrate were closest to our Lord. So when I was praying, actually remember, that's what he said. So I start talking.

So you don't know anything you say, can can have an effect. So

you're right. Sometimes we have to basically know when to stop the conversation. Because if rational arguments are just a means to awaken the truth within and then are working,

then you need to move on.

interact more positively with them, buy them a pizza, talk about other things, right? interact positively. Because if you believe that rational arguments were an ends in themselves, you will never give up you will debate and debate and debate and argue and argue and argue and you get a hot ha and then you're both destroyed, right from a spiritual point of view. But if you truly understand that rational arguments are an revelation, prophetic tradition, or just means to awaken the truth within, then you know, that you have a toolset to use when you're engaging with human beings. Right. So sometimes you might not even be Gora, sometimes you might stick to initiation for a very long

time. Just being nice, nice and nice, because, you know, go out for them just it's not them. It's not one of the means that awakens the truth within, it's not one of the ways for them, it might just genuinely be

let me just be a nice person to you. And then they just realize so how many Muslims do we know for example, that became Muslim? Only because they felt love in the Muslim community? How many Muslims do we know? And actually fact if you study the statistics, most people will remain Muslim and become Muslim, because of non rational reasons. Non intellectual reasons. Is there. A provides a framework by it's not the reason

brotherhood read Malcolm X's autobiography. It was Hutch. It was the experience of a lifetime experience awakens the truth within Malcolm X is an example.

mela Allah have mercy on him. Malcolm X is an example. He had a fatal like all human beings acknowledge the law and want to single him out in terms of worship and praise him. His experience of Hutch unclouded his future and awoke awakened to the truth within which was the Orthodox Islam that Allah is one and humanity is a universal family. Do you see my point? That's every and you could you you could use this template on many people's lives, even your own

Why am I a Muslim? Why is my fitrah expressing itself and me worshipping Allah? You're never going to say it's just this whoever says that a dangerous ground it's not just intellectual arguments. It's your connection with the Quran. It's your spiritual experiences, your knowledge of Hadees it's so many different things that keep your fitrah uncrowded

because from experience if you just rely on this, you're destroyed.

Experience. Yeah.

This is not a limit. Yeah, of course, no limitation. Yeah, we're saying there are many. There are many, though don't don't treat this as a theological treatise, by the way. Yeah. Like, there's only these categories. No one's out no other categories allowed. Right? doesn't work that way. Right? So

it's understand the concept. So therefore, how is it gonna affect you? And we'll end on this, we'll have a break. Because we've got some interaction sessions coming up. We'll end on this.

The way you should affect your dow is in a couple of ways. Number one, that you don't end up arguing and trying to answer all the philosophical, nitty gritty questions, even when it comes to the gold wrap. So you're discussing God's existence? If they say what about for example, you know,

the omnipotence paradox, or the omniscience paradox, or whatever? Don't think you have to answer all the questions. Remember, it's about planting the seeds. Have you given enough that it's enough to clean and unclouded the fitrah? Yes.

All these other deep theological philosophical questions are almost irrelevant, trust me from an experiential point of view.

But if you think this is an end in itself, then you'd be so disheartened the thing, I have to refuse everybody, right, and get all the answers. It doesn't work that way. Just give enough. And you'll understand what that means through experience. So it will basically make you more comfortable in your argumentation, the way you deliver the goruck. And I've given him enough, now it's time for me to be a nice person to him, or say, I think that question is irrelevant. It goes too much into philosophical or opening cans of worms. I think what I've said, is enough to make you really understand why the concept of Islam is true. Now, now, we've had that discussion. I don't mind

having other discussions. But you know, let's have a coffee. Do you see my point? So it really changes the way you give down it becomes this more or less argument, argumentative, less contentious, less abstract, right? The second thing is the way you see human beings, right? It's very important that if everyone has the fitrah, then everyone is a potential Muslim.

Everyone is a potential Muslim, all you need to do is clean their fitrah. How many people have we seen that we're doing the lowest of the low, and they became the highest of the high? Right? unless it is in the clan?

Right? Because everyone has that potential. Right? Everyone has the potential. And whoever closes the door to Allah's mercy is a shaytaan shodhana. That's what it means to be away, shut down or to be away. Whoever closes the door to Allah's mercy to Gods or Atma, to God's loving mercy, that person is a shaytaan, by linguistic definition sharpen are to be away from God's mercy. No one can ever close God's mercy, right. And that's why there's always hope for everybody. And so the way you see humanity is totally different, right? And the way you see the Dow will be totally different, that your job is merely just to awaken the truth within. And that could be used by different means

that I don't have to treat each method of giving Dawa as the absolute way of doing things, and that this is the only way and it's all intellectual arguments after answer all the crazy questions, even if they're so irrelevant, I remember where someone said to I mentioned this earlier,

what was God doing for infinity? Before he created the universe? I was like, Well, how does that you deny God himself? I mean, you didn't you didn't know me for a six years, it doesn't mean I didn't exist. He stayed to life kind of thing. And then it just have a pizza now, right? So you know, some of these questions are like irrelevant. Do you see my point? And you see this when we go to more advanced stuff throughout the week, we're still going to stick to the fitrah aspect. We'll make it simple. Because

Take, for example, the design argument, right? You know, when they say that, but there could be a chance, right? There could still be a chance. We'll even entertain that anymore. We're like, Well, fine.

Just be consistent with your intellect, then. If you think that's a rational explanation, and apply that same principle to everything else in your life, when your bank manager calls you and says, Your $1 million has disappeared, and he says the only explanation was charged and you should be fine fee. If I punch you in the face a Why'd you do that? He was just charged that should be fine for you. Right? And what we say is this exposes a clouded fitrah not an intellect

It's a clouded fitrah because if they raised the epistemic bar so high for God, but they make it so low for everything else in life, then what does it mean about the state is nothing to do with the brain and that's why I'm going to try and hopefully show you will show you that will show you inshallah, that the rejection of truth will always be inconsistent will always contradict itself always like Yes, because I give an example

the kind of Professor Krauss Dawkins attitude, this universe can come from nothing.

Really, really, okay, let's apply that principle now to everything in life, everything in life, everything in life is punched in the face know that we advise that by hypothetically punched in the face when you do that for came from nothing bro came from nothing right? Yeah. Do you see my point? Why Why would you even want to make such false explanations for things just to preserve your distorted worldview? Why would you do that? And that, for me exposes the a psychological position, not an intellectual one. And that's why you just it when someone gives you an argument, and they think it's so true, the formulas applied to everything else then. And when you see in consistencies,

you know, that they hammer out properly, or there's an emotional, psychological, spiritual reason, not an intellectual one. And once you understand that, in the dour, you'd be so very calm. And you'd be so nice. And you have a profound spiritual conviction, and you help people on this spiritual journey and intellectual journey. And you'd be able to plant seeds at the right time. Do you see my point? And this is very, very important for us to realize, because some of us, we think we have to answer everything from that point of view.

The consistency of what you're saying is amazing. And we look at the police, because it seemed like a rational argument. But in reality, our scholars say it was actually clever and or hustlin. Yes, absolutely.

When, when he believes was told to back down to Adam, and Allah told him to do that. He brought a rational argument, but his rejection was based on Kippur on arrogance. Absolutely, absolutely. And the more experience you have, the more you sense this. But be careful, though. And this is a spiritual, I don't want you to have a spiritual cover. I don't mean to be spiritually arrogant. When you sense this. don't expose it in an arrogant way. Because you want good for them. You want to nurture them, right? And that's very subtle here. What you need to do is understand that and use a strategy to hopefully awaken the truth within without coming across as pushy, arrogant, because

sometimes you do that you're like, Look, I'm going to expose you. Yeah, that contradiction. Something's wrong with you, bro. You go arrogance, you don't want to do that, because you could further destroy them. Right? You just want to build people in Islam came here to restore people. Right? So Hamdulillah, let any last final questions in the fifth row? Yes, this is related, you were thinking about when to stop? Right. So I think another point to realize when to stop is that you don't have to continue talking as long as they are talking. In fact, you know, I think when we are finished with your odds, you're very important to clarify that, you know, sometimes somebody may

come in, and he has a lot loaded with germs and shovel hardened doubts that you may get infected with, right. So if you if you see that sort of thing happening, it's just because you don't have that sort of antibodies in your body, you know, spiritually speaking, you walk away and you know, whatever they are you pass them on to somebody else says that, because it also happened that, you know, we haven't worked on the odds to give down.

Absolutely, absolutely. Because this whole fitrah understanding gives you the tools, and the framework to know when to stop.

And when enough is enough, and when you've done enough cleaning or clouding and clouding when you've done enough to basically help them awaken the truth within and you have another day, you have another day, right? And because it's also a bad sign of your own spiritual and intellectual state, if you think you have to sit there for five hours and argue, for five hours, these small, technical philosophical theory philosopher points was with an atheist or agnostic or humanist, when at the end of the day, all you're really doing is saying, I'm better than you.

It's not about you looking good or being right. It's about you and clouding one's fitrah. And that's why if you understand this properly, it will diminish your own arrogance, ego and wanting to be right and wanting to impose you because your main job would be right how do I awaken the truth within this person, it may mean shutting up. Then there's some brothers that must just shut up. And the way they come across as bro just shut up, get someone else to do the job. It may mean I'm stepping back. And that's the point. So if you understand the objective here as a DI as someone who's calling to the Lord is to oncloud the fitrah to awaken the truth within it may mean

They don't use rational arguments, it may mean that they don't do anything apart from Listen, because some people just need a good ear and attentive ear. How many people have we seen that you there for an hour? And they're like, thank you very much for your time. You know what, this is a good conference. Yeah. And then they'll be like, I want to be Muslim now. But you say anything. If I already knew about Islam, I don't know if they were real Muslims in the world. Well, ah, yeah. Do you see my point? So if your objective as someone who's calling to Allah, is just to awaken the truth within that person, then it's not about you being right. It's not about you imposing it's not

about you looking good. Sometimes you may have to look bad. You may have to say, I was totally stupid and wrong. And you humility itself could be a means to awaken the truth within that person. And I've seen it I've seen it how many people have become Muslim because of the social mobility in our art and our scholars. Unfortunate doesn't have that much anymore. from Allah give us tofik but I bless you have a break 10 minutes, and we'll do some interaction sessions inshallah. Okay, well, I'm limited to what you're going to do. When we come back. We're going to give him on this piece of paper. And it has gone up scenarios. The genuine guy, the Christian guy, the far right guy, the

hostile guy, the atheist guy, the other atheist guy is very patriarchal bro was was

the Daily Mail reader guy was the tabloid reader guy, the spiritual guy and the modern woman.

Yeah, so everyone's gonna have these scenarios and you're going to act them out in your in pairs, then we'll facilitate that will be quite fun inshallah. Okay, have a good 10 minute break. Allah bless you. So I want to cook