Transform Your Ramadan – Discover The Gift of Gratitude with Naima B. Robert

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The speaker discusses their journey to Islam and their desire to find the power to be considered a woman through storytelling and reading. They emphasize the importance of mindfulness and rethinking one's life to see oneself as an author, finding happiness and embracing happiness to help others. The speaker emphasizes the need to focus on one's personality and experiences to see oneself as an author and finding happiness through small small steps. They also discuss the importance of rethinking one's life and finding the way back to Islam through tests and gratitude.

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Assalam Alaikum, brother Wadud.

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Assalam.

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How are you Sister Hale? Alhamdulillah,

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Alhamdulillah. I'm really excited

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about this interview. It's a dear friend of

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mine, sister

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Naima B Roberts.

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And,

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she's written 30 books. She's just incredible.

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Yeah.

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And I can't wait to hear about her

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transformation.

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And shout out to excited to meet her

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for the first time. I've heard so much

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about her, and we have mutual

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that worked with me that talked about her,

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Her journey to Islam and her story of

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transformation, how she healed through experiences in her

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life that now she's a source of healing

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for so many other people around us.

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Beautiful.

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It is amazing. I knew her from Egypt,

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and our kids went to school together. So

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I knew her on a personal level, but

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she also had a profound impact on me

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that we're gonna, Insha'Allah, discuss in this interview

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and how she went from atheism

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Yeah.

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How

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do

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we

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find those transformation? How do we find

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Yeah. How do we find those transformation? How

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do we find those lights? And sometimes reflecting

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on these stories to guide us

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Yes. Self as we approach this Ramadan and

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this work that we're trying to do about

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how to become more mindful, how to find

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our purpose,

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finder calling like she has.

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Yes. Yes. She's very purpose driven and

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with getting people to write their stories, and

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I'm really excited about it. So I think

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everyone's gonna benefit from this interview tremendously on

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a personal level,

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on a spiritual level. So I can't wait.

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Let's do this. Let's do it. Alright.

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And welcome to a mindful Ramadan

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Transformed by the Light,

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Inspiring Stories of Converts.

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Welcome everyone. Assalamu alaikum,

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Sister Naima, such a pleasure to have you.

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It's wonderful to be back, Alhamdulillah,

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for another conversation with you for Ramadan.

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Alhamdulillah. We're happy to have you. You always

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bring so much insight

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and, and inspiration. And

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we are very fortunate to have brother Wadud

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with us this year. Alhamdulillah.

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It's an honor to be here,

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Learning from these beautiful stories.

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Well, sister Naima, we go way back.

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Maybe, what, 12 years ago,

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I met you in Egypt. We were doing

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some kind of I don't know. Some work

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for the orphanage, and you came to our

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home. And then our kids went to the

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same school, Haya International Academy. And just remember

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that time with fondness, spending

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spending hours waiting for our kids and chatting,

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and, masha'Allah,

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beautiful to have you with us.

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What do you recall from those days?

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I do remember that day that you're referring

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to where we were, wrapping up presents in

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your basement.

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Those were, you know, really beautiful days in

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Egypt. It's a reminder to me really of,

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you know, this life really is a journey,

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and our lives are are really told in

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chapters.

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Because, you know, once you've turned the page

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on that chapter, it's you don't ever go

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back. You know? You're always gonna be going

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into the next chapter and the next chapter.

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But we're fortunate. Sometimes Allah blesses us to

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be able to carry certain characters

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with us through those chapters. So maybe I

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love it. I love your analogy you since

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you're an author and I wanna share. Right?

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So all that is coming true.

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Masha'Allah.

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Masha'Allah.

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Our guest today, sister Naima B Roberts, is

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a trailblazing

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speaker,

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coach, and best selling author

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from My Sister's Lips, as well as 30

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other books,

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Tabarak, and

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they have been translated into 14 different languages.

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And, masha'Allah, you've gotten so many literary

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awards, and you are

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really passionate

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about helping other

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sisters in learning about

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how to write their book and how to

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share their stories. SubhanAllah, what really resonates with

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what you 2 is that your father was

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an atheist, your mother was Christian, and you

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grew up as an atheist. And,

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your journey from atheism to Islam is such

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a profound

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transformation

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that many find deeply inspiring. Could you share

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what initially

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sparked your curiosity about spirituality and religion?

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And what pivotal

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experience or realization led you to such a

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significant

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shift in your beliefs?

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No. Definitely. Bismillah.

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I would say growing up in Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe

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was a very Christian country, and my dad

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was a rebel. Okay? Just put it just

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to say it plainly. He was a rebel.

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So in a in a country where people

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were conservative,

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were Christian,

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he was a Marxist atheist.

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You know? He he even though he was

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white, he didn't really mix with, you know,

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other white people in quite the racialized society

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that we lived in. So he he, like,

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left that behind. He married a black woman.

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So he was a

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rebel. And

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in our household,

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more than anything, Christianity was something that was

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just ridiculed.

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You know? It's like this is fairy tales.

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And if you're familiar with Marxism,

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then you know the ideas and the beliefs

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that Marxists hold about religion as a whole.

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Right?

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The opiate of the people, opiate of the

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masses, etcetera.

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So I I actually felt quite smug, to

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be honest, that I had a an elevated

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understanding

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of the world, you know, while all these

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Christian kids were reading the bible and going

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to bible study and being brainwashed.

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I didn't have to do that. You know?

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Like, I was a free thinker.

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So primary school was very much about that.

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And then high school, you know, nobody was

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very practicing at all, really. So, you know,

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you didn't you didn't really come up until

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my later years of high school

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where I started to have struggles of my

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own that

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I was struggling to find an answer to.

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You know? And the whole idea of a

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higher power,

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of a maker, of a creator,

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started sort of dawn in my mind. And

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I did flirt with the evangelical Christian church.

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I went to, a service.

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If anyone knows anything about evangelical churches, you

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know that they love to sing,

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they love to cry,

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they love to get you emotionally

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invested

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and really get you worked up, and I

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did. I I had that whole experience. Mhmm.

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And,

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you know, when when the pastor said, you

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know, who would like to come down and

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be saved? I was like, yes. Me. Me.

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Yes. That's what I'm saying.

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So I went down to the front, and

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then the pastor's, like, spoke over us. He

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prayed over us, And I was like, this

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is it. This is the answer. You know?

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It's this feeling

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of of belonging and and and love and

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togetherness and safety. This is what it is.

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So I'm on this high, and then they

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tell you to go to the back to

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speak to some of the members of the

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church to see sort of what your next

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step should be.

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And by the time I got to the

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back room, the high had come down a

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little bit. So now my logical mind is

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coming back and kicking me and saying, hold

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on a minute.

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What what what's all this about faith? You

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know? What's the proof? You know? How do

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you know what these people are saying is

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true? So I asked the lady who spoke

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to me. She said, like, how do you

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know that God exists? How do you know

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that, you know, Christianity is true? And she

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said to me, you just have to believe.

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And I was like, alright. I'm out. Oh,

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wow. That same day.

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No. No. That that was unfortunate.

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Well, unfortunately,

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But

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her inability

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to speak

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to the the the, really, the proof that

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I needed, the logical, the rational

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ideas that, you know, obviously, I had grown

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up with meant that I realized that this

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was not for me. So fast forward now,

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I go to Egypt

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for a music festival. I'm representing my country,

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and I notice

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all these hijabis around.

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By this time, I was already at university,

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so I was in East London. And if

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anyone knows East London, they know that there's

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lots of Muslims in that area. So it

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was something that I had been noticing

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around more and more.

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And so when we went to Egypt,

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of course, I saw, you know, the women

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wearing their hijabs,

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and,

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well, I was mad. I was mad. Why?

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What were you thinking?

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I was like, what is this?

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This is oppression.

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Who forced them to dress like this? Why

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do they allow their men to do this?

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Because I subscribe to the cosmopolitan

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brand of feminism. Right? Cosmo Magazine?

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That brand of feminism,

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and that was the lens that I used

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to see Muslim women through. Right? So I

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ranted and I raved for a couple of

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days until we went to one of our

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performances,

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and the the host's wife was there, and

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she wore a hijab.

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And I just I just looked at her,

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and she was,

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beautiful face, lots of, you know, light in

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her face, one of those wool filled faces.

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And I said to her,

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you are so beautiful.

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Why do you cover yourself?

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And she just smiled.

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And she said, because I want to be

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judged for what I say and what I

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do, not what I look like. But, Halley,

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for some reason,

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that's what did it. That's what it did

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for you. Thinking. That's what got me thinking

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critically

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about

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the society I had grown up in, about

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the standards that I had been holding myself

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to, you know, about you know, I thought

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that I was a very confident woman. But

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when I met her, I thought, no. No.

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No. No. No. There's something different about this

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woman. Because how is she so confident, so

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brave? She doesn't need what the rest of

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us are craving,

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male validation,

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attention. You know? Right. And and and from

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that, I was like, no. No. No. No.

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I need to find out

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what gives this woman this power. And so

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that is actually when I started to to

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look. Now, of course, I start to notice

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Islam all around me. I start to notice

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the adhan. I start to notice the people

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saying, assalamu alaikum.

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And little by little, I'm like, okay. I

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need to find out what this religion is

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all about. So as soon as I got

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back to the UK, I got a Quran,

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and I started reading it. And I started

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implementing

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Islamic sort of practices even before I became

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Muslim, but I would say sort of that

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was the starting point for me. SubhanAllah.

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Short. No. That that's an amazing, amazing story

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where you go you know, you're atheist. You

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go to a music festival in Egypt. You

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are looking down on the woman thinking they're

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they're so oppressed. What's wrong with you? And

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the words that that sister said, the fact

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that I wanna be judged for who I

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am

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and what I do, not on how I

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look. And it just changed everything because a

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lot of times we think of freedom as

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to bear yourself. Right? The the western mentality

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is the more you bear, the the more

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freedom you have. And and it's actually the

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shackles of society.

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And you saw that this woman had been

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able to free herself from the shackles

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free and being a feminist in a sense.

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Right? But contradicted the way you were taught.

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So that was very profound,

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Amazing. Yeah. That's that's that's what it was.

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And, you know, subhanallah, I've I've never

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seen nor spoken to that sister again. And

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I don't even know whether she would even

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remember our encounter.

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But I told this story in my book

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from my sister's books, and I've told it

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many, many times since, probably 1,000, if not

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millions of people have heard it on YouTube.

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But

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I pray that Allah

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gives her the reward for everything and anything

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that I

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do because she that those that little sentence

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that she said was literally the catalyst for

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me changing my entire life. So

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blessings.

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Wow. Amazing. Brother Waddud, what would you like

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to reflect that?

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Beautiful. You know? And I was talking about

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we were doing this thurbia session with educators

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from around the country, and we're talking about

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this one principle of transformation.

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And Allah says in the Quran,

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be mindful of God and

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and speak the plain, clean, you know, straightforward

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truth from your heart. Right? And you're not,

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like, deflecting. You're not, like, making things up.

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You're not trying to show up how people

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want you to show up. You're not shifting

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the blame. You're really clearly just saying

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from your heart because you're mindful of God,

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and it's just clean and plain and and

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simple. It just remind me of that,

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perhaps, that heart

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from where that statement came out from

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and that sincerity that was that was potent

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to be able to transform another person. That

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our scholars say, why did Allah not directly

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go to and say to speak the truth?

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Why did he say why did he stop

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and say?

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Because they said that unless you're really conscious

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and aware,

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if you're not aware, you're gonna be on

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autopilot. And that's what this mind madam is,

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that how do we not live our life

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on autopilot and we move from autopilot to

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where. And that awareness and consciousness from the

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spiritual sense of god,

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it fuels the way that we speak and

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what we speak when it's god centered has

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that potency and that.

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Beautiful.

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We are on that autopilot, and I think

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that that is the missing link. The mindfulness

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is the missing link that we are not

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taking the worship, the knowledge,

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everything that we do, and it's not transforming

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our character.

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And so that's why the focus this Ramadan,

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Insha'Allah,

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is to be more mindful

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and transforming through the light, the light of

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Islam. And,

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you have such a passion for women sharing

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their stories. It's just so inspiring. What

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fuels this burning desire within you to empower

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and uplift others, especially women,

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and for them to share their voices?

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Is there, like, a particular verse in the

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Quran or Hadith

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that resonates with you and gives you this

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level of motivation

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to pursue this mashaAllah noble endeavor?

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Twana, I love this question because we all

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have different motivations, you know, things that kind

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of, you know, light us up, etcetera.

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And for me,

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I I this is not a hadith, but

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it's something that was mentioned in a talk

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many, many years ago. We're talking like 25

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years ago. Brother Abdirahim Green was doing a

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das, and he was he was talking I

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don't even know what the das was about,

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to be honest. But he mentioned,

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establish something great for Islam.

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Establish something great for Islam

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and for the sake of Allah. And at

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that time, I think I was expecting my

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first child, and I was a housewife, masha'Allah,

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and loving it. You know? I was I

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was living that life.

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And I never thought that I would surpass

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that, if that makes sense. And I don't

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wanna say that in the sense that, you

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know, being a mother and a wife is

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not al Din because it is. Mhmm. But

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I I didn't expect me to have an

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impact,

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right, on on more than my immediate family

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and my community.

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And the fact that Allah chose

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me

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to deliver this message.

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I don't feel worthy.

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I didn't deserve this. It's not something that

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I earned. It's not something that I paid

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for. It's not even something I asked for.

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Mhmm. Allah just chose and said, this is

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for you. You're going to tell your story

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of coming to Islam, and you're going to

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be the one who pulls these stories of

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other women coming to Islam. And your book

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is going to be a book that transforms

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lives, whether it's 100, 1,000, tens, 1,000. I

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don't know how many it is now. I'm

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talking about from my sister's lips. Mhmm. And

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the

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barakah

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of having

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literally just shared your story

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and that story being the catalyst for somebody

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else's growth, for somebody else's evolution, for somebody

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else's transformation

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in the path of Allah,

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you can't quantify that. You know? Right. I

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always say this to my clients. I said,

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inshallah, if Allah puts barakah in your words,

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you are going to impact the lives of

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people you will never see. Yes. People you

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will never meet in places you will never

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go. Right?

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And

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if you're sincere, that transformation

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is going to weigh in the scale of

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your good deeds. It's a.

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Yeah. And it is one of

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the cleanest forms of sadaqa jariyah

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in terms of I have a story or

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I have a message or I have something

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to share with the world,

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putting it down in your words and making

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it available to people is the clearest way

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to put your message across, the clearest way

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to chain you know, to share your story.

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Nowadays, people wanna create posts on Instagram and

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create reels and do YouTube videos.

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I say, that's great, but that is not

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the purest, clearest form of your dua. What

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is your message? What is your dower? What

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is it you actually want to put out

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into the world?

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You owe it to yourself to put it

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together,

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clean it up, and make it something that

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can transform the lives of others, Insha'Allah.

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And who knows

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how those deeds will multiply?

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We will only know.

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May Allah accept it from us.

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I have I have a follow-up question. I'm

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I'm really kind of intrigued. One thing that

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you mentioned about you felt like you're not

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worthy.

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Mhmm.

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Not worthy.

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And,

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you know, we were just talking about this

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concept earlier. Like, I think yesterday, Mike Lebo

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is about going from scarcity to abundance.

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All this finding that sense of, like, that

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scarcity that I'm not enough. What am I?

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I don't have the knowledge. I don't have

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the ability. I don't have the skills. I,

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you know, I don't have what what I

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need to have. I don't have the resources.

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Who am I to do anything? You know?

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And a lot of times, that scarcity focused

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thinking makes us not show up for our

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best self or not show up for that

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purpose and that meaning and that stretch beyond

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your our comfort zone. Right? And I'm sure

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that a lot of people, when we ask

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them, who do you wanna become this Ramadan?

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Not just what do you wanna do.

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Out becoming more versus doing more. Who are

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you gonna become this Ramadan? Who are you

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gonna evolve into beyond this Ramadan? Then a

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lot of times, like, yeah, I do want

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to. If I have no other ops if

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I have no obstacles, no blockers,

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all my goals are accepted. This is who

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I wanna become, but then, you know, this

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is gonna happen. You know, that then we

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come back to our scarcity, and we don't

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believe that in the abundance of Allah, in

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the barakah and the tawfiq of Allah, all

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of that is possible and even more.

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So how do you move forward beyond that

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doubt?

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I love that question. And it's funny, actually,

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if my clients heard me saying what I

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just said, they'd be like, sister Naima, you

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always tell us we're not allowed to entertain

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those thoughts.

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But it's you know, look. The point it's

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again,

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we don't deserve anything per se. It's all

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Allah's favor. It's Allah's barakah. Right? It's Allah's

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mercy, his grace. So if Allah

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chooses you,

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then know that you are capable. Right? If

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he shows you that door of opportunity because

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let's face it. Not everybody wants to tell

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their story. Not everybody wants to put a

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message out there. Not everybody is called to

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write a book or do any of the

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things that we're talking about. But

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if Allah

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puts it in you,

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he puts that dream in you, that vision

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in you, then I always say there's something

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there, sis. There's something there. There's a reason.

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And if Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala opens that

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door of opportunity and, you know, shows you

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that and you say, right. Are you gonna

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go through this door or not? Then it

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really is about just free falling with tawakul

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to say, pray my istikhara

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and then, bismillah, I'm gonna give it the

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very best that I can with full Ihsan,

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and the outcome is with Allah.

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And I'm grateful for whatever that outcome is.

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So it's about

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not focusing on what you're bringing to the

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table,

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not focusing on whether it's your personality or

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your experiences or your knowledge,

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but having that tawakul in Allah that Allah

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will provide

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and and relying on him. And I I

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love what you said about, you know, the

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multiplication

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of good deeds because that that's how I

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look at it. And that's what really drives

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me the way, let's say, businessmen will look

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at whatever it is that they have invested

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in increasing.

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And when I think about the potential of

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affecting other people and changing their life. In

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the mentorship program on Mindful Hearts Academy is

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about stopping the generational

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trauma and recognizing that if you make a

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change and today,

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I talk to all of you who are

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viewing.

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If you make a change within your self,

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this Ramadan, whether you become a less angry

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person, you become more ambitious like sister Naima

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is talking about and brother would, dude, you're

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talking about not being on autopilot and you're

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really present. And if we do that,

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imagine the impact it will have for generations

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to come. So that is just it's so

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powerful.

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I just wanted to add here as you

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said, and just to highlight, because this I

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think this is really key

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because

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so much of the world is out of

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our control.

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Right? And we see it all the time.

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We can see things happening that we would

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not like to happen, and we feel powerless

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to do anything about. We make dua, but,

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yeah, essentially, it is not in our control.

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But

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at the same time,

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we have so much power when we transform

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ourselves

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because

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Allah gives that us that ability. He's given

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us as human beings the ability to choose,

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the ability to change, the ability to evolve.

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And

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as you mentioned,

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if I change,

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I have the capacity to impact my family.

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And every member of my family has the

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capacity to influence

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their friends or their family as they go

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along. And as you said,

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you can be a generational

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change maker.

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And that

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change making could have been simply,

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by Allah's permission,

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a decision that you took.

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I'm not going to do this.

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From now on, I will be this person.

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From now on, I will apologize. I will

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say I love you. I will get enough

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sleep. Whatever the case may be,

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you

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your own decision making about yourself and your

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changes that you want to make have the

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capacity to transform the lives of others, and

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this is not just talk. This is real.

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Yes. You know? This is real. I'm sure

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you can see that from your clients. Yes.

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Yes. And that is the thing. You know,

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I the clients I work with, they come

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in and they might be very broken, very

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overwhelmed,

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whether it's through their childhood that was filled

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with trauma and abuse or their relationships that

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they feel very stuck in and they come

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in and they feel very powerless.

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I like to empower them and say, yes,

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like you're saying,

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make that change within yourself because when you

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do,

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you cause a ripple effect and people respond

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to you

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differently.

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Brother, what dude?

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Yeah. You know, this beautiful thing about

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that intention,

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that then it starts with intention. One of

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the things about when people that pray at

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night in Ramadan, imanan wahethissavan,

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with that sense of god centered faith, and

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then eftesav, which is I'm seeking from god,

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seeking the return.

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If you have this sense of intentionality in

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the way you show up, in the way

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you approach this from Adani, the way that

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you make intentions about the changes that he

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will make,

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Allah's help comes according

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to your intentions.

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You know, like, big, hide him my intentions

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because you know that here are the steps

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I'm gonna take to get there, but if

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I make that big intention, I make dua,

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and I start making the effort that I

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can,

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Allah will slowly increase that and Allah can

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give barakah to that and and it'll come.

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It'll come. And if I believe it, if

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I make dua for it, if I work

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for it, it'll come. You You know? And

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that's how we wanna approach this Ramadan. Meet

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the those big intentions, inshallah.

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And believing in it. It's so critical to

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to believe, to see yourself, right? I'm sure

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before you do anything, Sister Naima, you focus

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and you get your clients to see themselves

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as an author. Right? And we need to

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yes. And like brother, I did what you

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were saying as far as who do we

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wanna become this Ramadan. We have to visualize

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it because the power of visualization

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is just

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unbelievable

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what it can do. What I am fascinated

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with, sister Naima, is that you were, masha'Allah,

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married for 17 years, a Lovely husband

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that my husband knew,

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and he passed away.

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And remind me, is it five children,

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that you have?

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Five children.

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How were you able to balance that? What

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was your role? And you wrote a beautiful

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book that just had me in tears

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after your husband passed

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away. It was all like reflection poetry.

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Remind me. Months 10 days. 4 months 10

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days. 4 months 10 days. Anyone going through

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any form of grief, you have got to

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read this book. It's so beautiful. If you

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could reflect a little bit on sometimes people

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are just very career oriented,

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and they overlook what you said is such

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a amazing role to be a wife and

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a mother. Could you reflect on the importance

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of that?

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Well, I think as I have mentioned before,

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losing my husband of 17 years, Alayd Hamel,

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was probably the big lesson in gratitude that

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I've ever ever had, and I still feel

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that to this day. I I believe 100%

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that he took him at the best time,

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and that if he left me here, there

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was still work for me to do. There

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was still more for me to do on

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the left. In gratitude, you said, losing your

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husband.

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Absolutely. Because I had a husband for 17

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years.

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We had a great marriage. We had love.

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We had children. We had a family. We

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we shared so many memories. And how can

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I

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put all of that to the side,

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forget about all of the barakah that came

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with him, and sink myself into the mourning

00:26:03--> 00:26:05

of him or the loss of him? Rather,

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I I chose to celebrate the fact that

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I had him in the first place. Masha'allah.

00:26:09--> 00:26:10

The fact that I had him in the

00:26:10--> 00:26:12

first place. You know? Got show up there.

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Not everybody gets that, you know, and that's

00:26:14--> 00:26:17

the truth. I think, you know, one of

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the things that was wonderful about being married

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to him was that I was

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really able to focus on my children and

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the house. And I had my own things.

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I was writing. I had Sisters Magazine, but

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it was to the side, and it wasn't

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something that really kind of weighed on me.

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Mhmm. After he passed away, I stepped into

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his shoes as c CEO of his company.

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Mhmm.

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That was a wild ride because

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I didn't really know anything about the company.

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There were 300 employees.

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It was a call center in Egypt. Ah,

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okay.

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Yeah. So about 300 employees.

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I did not know the first thing about

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this business, about what they did, how they

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did it. I'd like to earn your husband's

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business.

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This is a good good idea.

00:27:01--> 00:27:03

At least you know what you're getting yourself

00:27:03--> 00:27:05

into. To be honest, honey, I look back

00:27:05--> 00:27:07

on those years, sort of the 2, 3

00:27:07--> 00:27:09

years after he passed. For my children, they

00:27:09--> 00:27:11

were pretty much lost years,

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because I was in the business and I

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was working. I was there almost every day,

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and I was homeschooling a couple of the

00:27:17--> 00:27:20

kids. My And I just became a different

00:27:20--> 00:27:21

person. I wasn't

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the kept woman. I wasn't the kind of

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you know, because I could relax into my

00:27:26--> 00:27:28

feminine and just enjoy doing the wonderful things

00:27:28--> 00:27:30

we used to do, travel, have friends over,

00:27:30--> 00:27:33

Quran, Arabic classes, all of that. I couldn't

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do that anymore

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because now I had his legacy,

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all the expectations

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of his directors and managers and all of

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the employees who were relying on us to

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keep this dream alive

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so that they could continue, you know, their

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journey with with what he had really kind

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of planted in them.

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So

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by Allah's grace, we got through those years.

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You know, we were able to carry the

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company on for a certain number of years,

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and then we we closed it gracefully.

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And everything is a lesson, isn't it? Every

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every chapter. Again, it's those chapters Yeah. I

00:28:05--> 00:28:07

was thinking about what you said. That was

00:28:07--> 00:28:10

a chapter in your life and what a

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what a challenging

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transition to go from being mother and wife

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to CEO of a company you didn't know

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anything about,

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and that must have really transformed you. Brother

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Wudud, I'm sure you have some, deep reflections.

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So, you know, this beautiful thing that sister

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Naina is mentioning about the lesson in gratitude,

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I'm still stuck on that, and I just

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see these wow. My mom cares she's caregiving

00:28:37--> 00:28:39

for my dad. He's lost his kidney functions,

00:28:39--> 00:28:40

lost his vision,

00:28:41--> 00:28:42

period in the last few years.

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And here, I was struggling a lot because

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I was trying to get my organization and

00:28:47--> 00:28:48

my brand and my business up and running,

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and dad was just going through this downhill

00:28:50--> 00:28:51

thing.

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And I was just struggling because we have

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to take him to this doctor and that

00:28:55--> 00:28:57

doctor. They're like 5, 6, or 7 different

00:28:57--> 00:28:59

doctors. I'm like, oh my god. Like, how

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am I gonna get through this?

00:29:01--> 00:29:02

I just thought about, like, let's focus on

00:29:02--> 00:29:04

this just one word this year. If I

00:29:04--> 00:29:06

can just focus on one word, what would

00:29:06--> 00:29:08

that word be for this year? And I

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said, let's just focus on gratitude.

00:29:11--> 00:29:13

Mhmm. I'm traveling. If I'm going with them

00:29:13--> 00:29:15

to the doctor, let me just be grateful

00:29:15--> 00:29:18

that I'm with them. And when I'm sitting

00:29:18--> 00:29:20

in that doctor's office and waiting for that

00:29:20--> 00:29:21

to be seen, just be grateful.

00:29:22--> 00:29:23

Right.

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And, Kadi, if I'm able to take my

00:29:25--> 00:29:26

laptop and work from wherever I am, let's

00:29:26--> 00:29:28

be grateful for that moment to be able

00:29:28--> 00:29:30

to work. So just let's focus on this

00:29:30--> 00:29:32

year is my year of gratitude.

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Just that focus

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really helped me come back up, you know,

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because I was kinda losing myself, that stress

00:29:39--> 00:29:41

and that transition. And I'm just so appreciative

00:29:41--> 00:29:43

of what you're sharing, sister Naima, about a

00:29:43--> 00:29:45

lesson in gratitude. What a beautiful way to

00:29:45--> 00:29:46

look at me.

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As you say this story, brother Wadhud, and

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how amazing it was that by you focusing

00:29:52--> 00:29:54

on gratitude, you were actually able to be

00:29:54--> 00:29:56

present for your father.

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It brings back memories since we're talking about

00:29:59--> 00:30:01

loss. My mother, who was my, my best

00:30:01--> 00:30:04

friend and she was Masha'Allah, she was called

00:30:04--> 00:30:07

like lioness in Persian, and she just had

00:30:07--> 00:30:10

so much energy and the most optimistic woman

00:30:10--> 00:30:11

I've ever met,

00:30:12--> 00:30:14

having her own business, being very dynamic.

00:30:14--> 00:30:15

And,

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she got ALS,

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and she started losing all her functions. She

00:30:20--> 00:30:21

became bedridden.

00:30:21--> 00:30:23

She had a feeding tube

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and she even lost her ability to speak

00:30:26--> 00:30:27

the last year

00:30:28--> 00:30:30

of her life. And what really

00:30:30--> 00:30:32

got me through that

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was

00:30:33--> 00:30:35

accepting the Qadr of Allah. And I said,

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I love my mother, but Allah loves her

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more. And so if he is putting her

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through this, he is raising her status. And

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I believe that to my core

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and just being appreciative of having her that

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was

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got me through it.

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And I feel that, you know, what was

00:30:54--> 00:30:56

the lesson in this and Allah,

00:30:57--> 00:31:00

He provides us therapy in His own beautiful

00:31:00--> 00:31:01

way.

00:31:01--> 00:31:04

Yeah. After I lost my mother, what lesson

00:31:04--> 00:31:05

do you think

00:31:06--> 00:31:07

I had to teach

00:31:07--> 00:31:10

for the next 8 weeks in my mentorship

00:31:10--> 00:31:10

program?

00:31:11--> 00:31:12

What lesson? Like, what do you think was

00:31:12--> 00:31:15

the theme, the topic that I had to

00:31:15--> 00:31:15

teach

00:31:15--> 00:31:16

my students

00:31:17--> 00:31:18

after the death of my mother?

00:31:19--> 00:31:20

It was hap

00:31:20--> 00:31:22

happiness. It was happiness.

00:31:23--> 00:31:23

Wow.

00:31:24--> 00:31:26

The timing of it. And I was like,

00:31:26--> 00:31:29

I don't want to talk about happiness.

00:31:30--> 00:31:32

I don't wanna talk about it. I wanna

00:31:32--> 00:31:34

I wanna dwell a little bit. I want

00:31:34--> 00:31:37

and I remember once I was in my

00:31:37--> 00:31:38

bed and I was rolled up and I

00:31:38--> 00:31:40

just, you know, I was in tears and

00:31:40--> 00:31:41

my husband came

00:31:41--> 00:31:42

and

00:31:43--> 00:31:46

was so so supportive and always a rock.

00:31:46--> 00:31:49

And he said, come. Let's do let's do

00:31:49--> 00:31:50

an exercise together. I I I don't feel

00:31:50--> 00:31:54

like exercising. I am I'm dwelling right now.

00:31:54--> 00:31:57

I wanna he's like, just just 2 minutes.

00:31:57--> 00:31:59

You don't have to change. You don't have

00:31:59--> 00:32:00

to do anything.

00:32:00--> 00:32:01

Just move.

00:32:02--> 00:32:03

And we did that and SubhanAllah,

00:32:04--> 00:32:07

it, it changed the way that I felt.

00:32:07--> 00:32:09

And I was so grateful of Allah's mercy

00:32:09--> 00:32:11

of putting me through that, where I was

00:32:11--> 00:32:13

focused. Because you can't teach something if you

00:32:13--> 00:32:15

don't understand it. If you don't embody

00:32:15--> 00:32:17

if you don't embody happiness,

00:32:17--> 00:32:20

you can't teach it. And so that was,

00:32:20--> 00:32:23

like, one of the biggest gift and therapy

00:32:23--> 00:32:26

for me in teaching and learning about happiness

00:32:26--> 00:32:28

to help others upon.

00:32:28--> 00:32:29

Absolutely.

00:32:31--> 00:32:33

With the highest ranks in.

00:32:34--> 00:32:35

I mean I mean know what you were

00:32:35--> 00:32:38

saying about, you know, happiness? I I remember

00:32:38--> 00:32:39

that my mother passed away

00:32:40--> 00:32:43

Mhmm. Like, a week before Eid. And we

00:32:43--> 00:32:45

went to bury her, then I came back.

00:32:46--> 00:32:48

And on a day, it came, and I

00:32:48--> 00:32:50

did not want to go to the e

00:32:50--> 00:32:51

prayer. I didn't wanna see anyone. You know?

00:32:51--> 00:32:53

You can imagine. Sure. But

00:32:53--> 00:32:55

the amazing thing is

00:32:56--> 00:32:57

we get to find

00:32:57--> 00:32:58

these things.

00:32:59--> 00:33:00

We get to find happiness.

00:33:01--> 00:33:02

We get to find

00:33:02--> 00:33:04

gratitude, find forgiveness.

00:33:04--> 00:33:06

We don't just have it, but we can

00:33:06--> 00:33:08

find it. Right? And all it is is

00:33:08--> 00:33:10

a focus. It's a decision to find it.

00:33:10--> 00:33:13

Yes. And then it's a focus. Right? Yes.

00:33:13--> 00:33:14

What are you going to choose to focus

00:33:14--> 00:33:16

on? What are you going to fill your

00:33:16--> 00:33:19

mind with? Where is your head going to

00:33:19--> 00:33:21

go? Because this is another thing that Allah

00:33:21--> 00:33:23

Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has given us that is

00:33:23--> 00:33:26

so powerful, which is the link between our

00:33:26--> 00:33:27

thoughts and our emotions.

00:33:27--> 00:33:30

Mhmm. What we think about impacts how we

00:33:30--> 00:33:32

feel. A lot of the time, we think

00:33:32--> 00:33:35

our feelings come up naturally all by themselves,

00:33:35--> 00:33:36

and that once the feelings come up, there's

00:33:36--> 00:33:38

nothing we can do about them. But you

00:33:38--> 00:33:40

know, and I know that

00:33:40--> 00:33:42

what you think about is what impacts your

00:33:42--> 00:33:44

emotions. And so if you change the thoughts,

00:33:44--> 00:33:47

you change the feeling. Yes. And so that's

00:33:47--> 00:33:48

how you find

00:33:48--> 00:33:48

gratitude,

00:33:49--> 00:33:50

you know, forgiveness,

00:33:50--> 00:33:51

happiness,

00:33:51--> 00:33:52

whatever, repentance

00:33:53--> 00:33:56

by choosing it and then focusing on that.

00:33:56--> 00:33:57

And then, subhanAllah,

00:33:57--> 00:33:59

the feelings come by Allah's grace.

00:33:59--> 00:34:00

Masha'Allah.

00:34:00--> 00:34:03

Masha'Allah. It all starts with our thoughts, and

00:34:03--> 00:34:05

that is transformative

00:34:05--> 00:34:07

when you recognize

00:34:07--> 00:34:10

that you have the power to control your

00:34:10--> 00:34:12

thoughts. And that's what I work with the

00:34:12--> 00:34:15

clients is just, you know, change your thoughts

00:34:15--> 00:34:17

and you change your world. It is very,

00:34:17--> 00:34:18

very powerful.

00:34:20--> 00:34:22

Absolutely. Yeah. I just wanted to share that,

00:34:22--> 00:34:24

you know, I saw that you have roots

00:34:24--> 00:34:27

in South Africa, sister Nava, and, you know,

00:34:27--> 00:34:28

I just came back from a South Africa

00:34:28--> 00:34:30

tour. We just did a prophetic mindfulness and

00:34:30--> 00:34:32

emotional intelligence tour. And

00:34:33--> 00:34:35

Beautiful people there that took me for a

00:34:35--> 00:34:37

tour of the first masjid in Cape Town.

00:34:38--> 00:34:41

Yes. The story of this Indonesian prince that

00:34:41--> 00:34:44

was captured, who was a scholar's lineage going

00:34:44--> 00:34:46

back to the Prophetess of Islam. He was

00:34:46--> 00:34:48

captured by the by the colonizers, and they're

00:34:48--> 00:34:51

basically banished, exiled in Robben Island in the

00:34:51--> 00:34:53

same place where Mandela was imprisoned as well.

00:34:53--> 00:34:55

And this is about 350

00:34:55--> 00:34:59

years ago, and this person in that prison,

00:34:59--> 00:35:02

he wrote the entire Quran from memory.

00:35:03--> 00:35:04

Oh, And

00:35:05--> 00:35:07

when the British came, and they sided with

00:35:07--> 00:35:09

the Muslims because it was to their advantage

00:35:09--> 00:35:11

to get the other force out, and then

00:35:11--> 00:35:13

he was able to get out. He established

00:35:13--> 00:35:15

his first community, and we think about

00:35:15--> 00:35:18

all these scholars they captured because they wanted

00:35:18--> 00:35:20

to stop resistance from different parts of the

00:35:20--> 00:35:21

world. They brought them here.

00:35:21--> 00:35:25

They opened up this entire place for Muslims

00:35:25--> 00:35:27

to thrive. Like, Muslims are in in Cape

00:35:27--> 00:35:29

Town. Right? You see the tradition that still

00:35:29--> 00:35:32

lived there, and the and the teaching still

00:35:32--> 00:35:34

lives. And he went to visit his grave

00:35:34--> 00:35:36

and was like, literally, you go up the

00:35:36--> 00:35:38

mountain. You're looking at the mountain. You're looking

00:35:38--> 00:35:40

at the ocean, and they're resting there. And

00:35:40--> 00:35:42

this breeze is hitting your face, and you're

00:35:42--> 00:35:43

realizing

00:35:43--> 00:35:45

these people are such a class act in

00:35:45--> 00:35:48

terms of showing up with that gratitude, showing

00:35:48--> 00:35:50

up with the presence of alliance.

00:35:51--> 00:35:54

Not asking why me, but asking what does

00:35:54--> 00:35:55

Allah want from me now?

00:35:56--> 00:35:57

I love that.

00:35:58--> 00:35:59

Very powerful.

00:35:59--> 00:36:02

And it is incredible. We went to South

00:36:02--> 00:36:04

Africa several times from a marriage conference

00:36:05--> 00:36:08

and seeing the how united the Muslims are

00:36:08--> 00:36:11

there. And they are such a small percentage

00:36:11--> 00:36:11

if

00:36:12--> 00:36:14

I'm not mistaken, what is the percentage of

00:36:14--> 00:36:14

Muslims?

00:36:15--> 00:36:17

Is it like it's Put me on the

00:36:17--> 00:36:19

spot, please. It's like 4% or something. Small

00:36:19--> 00:36:20

percentage,

00:36:20--> 00:36:23

but they provide halal food. They have so

00:36:23--> 00:36:27

many things accommodating them because they actually became

00:36:27--> 00:36:28

so united

00:36:28--> 00:36:30

as Muslims because they were forced

00:36:31--> 00:36:33

to live together. And and that has a

00:36:33--> 00:36:35

lot to do with the reframing

00:36:35--> 00:36:37

that even if you're in a bad situation,

00:36:37--> 00:36:39

brother, I did like what you're saying about

00:36:39--> 00:36:40

they were in

00:36:40--> 00:36:42

prison and they reframe their situation

00:36:43--> 00:36:45

and they made the best out of it.

00:36:45--> 00:36:46

And how many of us

00:36:46--> 00:36:47

are feeling

00:36:48--> 00:36:48

imprisoned,

00:36:49--> 00:36:52

whether within your marriage or within your circumstances

00:36:53--> 00:36:55

and trying to reframe that and seeing how

00:36:55--> 00:36:57

can we maybe rely on Allah more, and

00:36:57--> 00:36:59

how can I change this situation for the

00:36:59--> 00:37:00

better?

00:37:01--> 00:37:01

Absolutely.

00:37:01--> 00:37:02

Absolutely.

00:37:03--> 00:37:05

Yeah. And in terms of that purpose, maybe

00:37:05--> 00:37:07

a question I might ask is, Naima, about

00:37:08--> 00:37:10

how do you then all those transition, the

00:37:10--> 00:37:12

different chapters of the book that you're talking

00:37:12--> 00:37:15

about, eventually turning all that lessons into this

00:37:15--> 00:37:17

purpose that you are not just as your

00:37:17--> 00:37:18

source of healing for yourself, but for so

00:37:18--> 00:37:20

many other women. How do you find that

00:37:20--> 00:37:22

purpose? How do you find that meaning? A

00:37:22--> 00:37:23

lot of time coming to us, I I'm

00:37:23--> 00:37:25

sure, all of us, and they're kind of

00:37:25--> 00:37:27

lost. They're confused. And Ramadan is such a

00:37:27--> 00:37:29

beautiful time to focus. Right? So how do

00:37:29--> 00:37:31

we use this time of Ramadan to re

00:37:31--> 00:37:33

or refocus on our purpose, find that purpose

00:37:33--> 00:37:34

and meaning?

00:37:35--> 00:37:37

SubhanAllah. I think Ramadan we always talk about

00:37:37--> 00:37:40

Ramadan being this great reset, right, for us

00:37:40--> 00:37:42

and giving us a chance to go back

00:37:42--> 00:37:44

to what really matters and what's really important.

00:37:45--> 00:37:46

Sister Halle, you know that I wrote a

00:37:46--> 00:37:48

book called Show Up. And that book, it

00:37:48--> 00:37:49

is all about

00:37:50--> 00:37:53

showing up and being mindful and present in

00:37:53--> 00:37:54

your life as it is now.

00:37:55--> 00:37:56

The, you know, the, the good, the bad

00:37:56--> 00:37:58

and the ugly of it. Right? What is

00:37:58--> 00:38:01

it that you've been called to do? What

00:38:01--> 00:38:03

is the role that you've been called to

00:38:03--> 00:38:03

perform

00:38:04--> 00:38:07

And embodying that, right, with the fullness of

00:38:07--> 00:38:07

yourself,

00:38:08--> 00:38:10

bringing your full self to the game. Because

00:38:10--> 00:38:12

look, at the end of the day, none

00:38:12--> 00:38:14

of us gets to choose our fitna. None

00:38:14--> 00:38:16

of us gets to choose our trial or

00:38:16--> 00:38:18

our challenges. Right? We don't get, like, a

00:38:18--> 00:38:20

multiple choice machine.

00:38:20--> 00:38:23

I'll choose this one. Yeah. You know, it's

00:38:23--> 00:38:24

a more cute. Right. More like, you know,

00:38:24--> 00:38:26

you're not being able to find a husband,

00:38:26--> 00:38:27

illness. You know? What will you choose? You

00:38:27--> 00:38:30

take your pick. It doesn't work like Allah

00:38:31--> 00:38:35

chooses the trials that every single human being

00:38:35--> 00:38:35

will go through.

00:38:36--> 00:38:39

There is not a single human being that

00:38:39--> 00:38:41

does not face trials. And when we are

00:38:41--> 00:38:43

in that mindset of sort of the victim

00:38:43--> 00:38:46

mentality Mhmm. We can tend to see ourselves

00:38:47--> 00:38:49

as the most hard done by, as the

00:38:49--> 00:38:51

most victimized, the one who has the least

00:38:51--> 00:38:54

favor, the one who never wins, you know,

00:38:54--> 00:38:56

who always fails, who always gets it wrong.

00:38:56--> 00:38:58

And I would like to invite anybody, if

00:38:58--> 00:39:00

that resonates with you, I'd like to really

00:39:00--> 00:39:01

invite you to reframe

00:39:02--> 00:39:02

because

00:39:03--> 00:39:05

the sunnah of this life is that we

00:39:05--> 00:39:07

will be tested. We've either been tested or

00:39:07--> 00:39:09

we're being tested or we're going to be

00:39:09--> 00:39:11

tested. This is this is the nature of

00:39:11--> 00:39:11

this dunya.

00:39:12--> 00:39:14

And when it comes to the specific tests,

00:39:15--> 00:39:17

the lord of all the worlds, your creator

00:39:17--> 00:39:19

and mine, is the one who chooses them

00:39:19--> 00:39:22

for us. Mhmm. And he chooses them

00:39:22--> 00:39:24

in light of his promise that he will

00:39:24--> 00:39:27

not burden a soul more than it can

00:39:27--> 00:39:28

bear.

00:39:29--> 00:39:31

That is a very powerful frame.

00:39:32--> 00:39:33

Because if you know

00:39:33--> 00:39:36

that your test has been chosen specifically for

00:39:36--> 00:39:40

you based on Allah's intimate knowledge of who

00:39:40--> 00:39:41

you are and who you can be,

00:39:42--> 00:39:44

and also that he has this cast iron

00:39:44--> 00:39:45

promise where he said, oh, it's okay.

00:39:46--> 00:39:47

I'm burdening you, but it's not gonna be

00:39:47--> 00:39:48

more than you compare. Meanies,

00:39:49--> 00:39:51

you can handle this. You can get through

00:39:51--> 00:39:52

this. And what does it mean to get

00:39:52--> 00:39:55

through it? It means to find

00:39:56--> 00:39:59

the barakah. Perfect. To find the purpose, to

00:39:59--> 00:40:01

find the gratitude, to find the way back

00:40:01--> 00:40:04

to Allah through that test, to find the

00:40:04--> 00:40:04

patience,

00:40:05--> 00:40:07

to find the resilience, to find the strength.

00:40:07--> 00:40:09

That's our opportunity,

00:40:09--> 00:40:11

and we're always going to be getting those

00:40:11--> 00:40:14

opportunities. And the sooner you come to terms

00:40:14--> 00:40:16

with that, that this life is going to

00:40:16--> 00:40:18

be a constant you know, it's like we're

00:40:18--> 00:40:21

leveling up all the time. Right? You're just

00:40:21--> 00:40:23

leveling up throughout your hero's journey. Allah Subhanahu

00:40:23--> 00:40:25

Wa Ta'ala is not going to leave you

00:40:25--> 00:40:27

how you were when you started middle school.

00:40:27--> 00:40:30

He is going to give and take. He

00:40:30--> 00:40:32

is going to allow you to succeed and

00:40:32--> 00:40:33

force you to fail so that you try

00:40:33--> 00:40:36

again, and you are going to become a

00:40:36--> 00:40:37

better version of yourself, inshallah,

00:40:38--> 00:40:41

every time if you take the challenge, which

00:40:41--> 00:40:43

is to show up. It's to show up

00:40:43--> 00:40:44

the life that you have right now. Y'all,

00:40:44--> 00:40:47

everybody needs to get that book, show up

00:40:47--> 00:40:49

because you that was so inspiring.

00:40:49--> 00:40:51

I'm sure that by reading that book is

00:40:51--> 00:40:53

going to help people find that sense of

00:40:54--> 00:40:56

purpose. I like to use this analogy for

00:40:56--> 00:40:58

what you were talking about, the problems. We

00:40:58--> 00:41:00

don't get to choose it. I call it

00:41:00--> 00:41:00

couture

00:41:00--> 00:41:03

problems. My mom was a fashion designer.

00:41:03--> 00:41:06

So I have to say couture problems and

00:41:06--> 00:41:07

he designs it

00:41:07--> 00:41:10

in knowing our strengths and our weaknesses.

00:41:11--> 00:41:13

So when we know that Allah in his

00:41:13--> 00:41:13

infinite

00:41:14--> 00:41:14

wisdom

00:41:15--> 00:41:17

chose this for you,

00:41:17--> 00:41:20

there's a purpose behind it, and then we

00:41:20--> 00:41:22

can surrender. Because many times people get stuck

00:41:22--> 00:41:24

in the state of why me.

00:41:25--> 00:41:26

Right? And just thinking

00:41:26--> 00:41:29

they and they get stuck because they're just

00:41:29--> 00:41:31

worrying about why this is happening.

00:41:31--> 00:41:34

And I challenge people to just not look

00:41:34--> 00:41:36

at it as a test, although, you know,

00:41:36--> 00:41:38

we have the verses that, you know, Allah

00:41:38--> 00:41:40

test you and we are tested. We definitely

00:41:40--> 00:41:42

know that it's a test, but I also

00:41:42--> 00:41:44

would like to shift and start looking at

00:41:44--> 00:41:45

it as a gift.

00:41:46--> 00:41:49

Right? Like you said, losing your husband was

00:41:49--> 00:41:50

a gift of gratitude.

00:41:51--> 00:41:53

Yeah. And I know that sometimes

00:41:53--> 00:41:55

even if you're, let's say, you're being attacked

00:41:55--> 00:41:58

or talked about, that can be a gift

00:41:58--> 00:42:00

because it gives you that insight.

00:42:00--> 00:42:02

And as we look at these

00:42:02--> 00:42:03

difficulties

00:42:03--> 00:42:06

as gifts and what Allah is giving to

00:42:06--> 00:42:07

us

00:42:07--> 00:42:08

a way of

00:42:08--> 00:42:09

evolving,

00:42:10--> 00:42:13

then that changes the way that we approach

00:42:13--> 00:42:15

it. It changes the way we perceive it.

00:42:15--> 00:42:17

Have you heard that expression, a gift wrapped

00:42:17--> 00:42:18

in sandpaper?

00:42:18--> 00:42:20

No. That's what it I have. Think of.

00:42:20--> 00:42:21

That's what it makes me think of. Because

00:42:21--> 00:42:24

it's an opportunity, isn't it? It's an opportunity

00:42:24--> 00:42:26

for you, and you get to choose. You

00:42:26--> 00:42:28

get to choose whether this thing thing makes

00:42:28--> 00:42:31

you or breaks you, whether it brings you

00:42:31--> 00:42:33

down to the depths, or whether you're allowed

00:42:33--> 00:42:36

to ascend from this. It's it's Masha'Allah something

00:42:36--> 00:42:38

that we have the ability to choose by

00:42:38--> 00:42:40

Allah's grace. So And you know, Masha'Allah,

00:42:41--> 00:42:42

the way you handled

00:42:43--> 00:42:44

the loss of your husband

00:42:45--> 00:42:46

was such an example

00:42:46--> 00:42:47

for me, and it actually

00:42:48--> 00:42:49

lit the

00:42:49--> 00:42:51

path for myself. And I want you to

00:42:51--> 00:42:52

know that because I don't know if I

00:42:52--> 00:42:55

ever got to express that because there is

00:42:55--> 00:42:57

grieving with Ihsan

00:42:57--> 00:43:00

and many people may not be aware of

00:43:00--> 00:43:03

it, that we are able to shed tears.

00:43:03--> 00:43:03

The

00:43:04--> 00:43:05

prophet shed tears,

00:43:05--> 00:43:07

and he had a year of sadness,

00:43:08--> 00:43:11

but it's a matter of having that acceptance,

00:43:11--> 00:43:12

the rida,

00:43:12--> 00:43:13

the

00:43:13--> 00:43:14

I

00:43:14--> 00:43:16

accept it fully.

00:43:16--> 00:43:18

And so you really helped me in that.

00:43:18--> 00:43:19

So just like Allah Khayran.

00:43:20--> 00:43:21

Again, it's the gift.

00:43:22--> 00:43:24

The gift that keeps on giving and you

00:43:24--> 00:43:25

don't even know. Yeah. Sometimes

00:43:26--> 00:43:27

who is going to take that gift or

00:43:27--> 00:43:30

how they receive that gift, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala

00:43:30--> 00:43:31

is amazing.

00:43:32--> 00:43:34

And, you know, it starts with building our

00:43:34--> 00:43:34

muscle

00:43:35--> 00:43:38

of our gratitude muscle with small things every

00:43:38--> 00:43:38

day.

00:43:38--> 00:43:41

And when we practice and we flex the

00:43:41--> 00:43:43

muscle every day with small things,

00:43:43--> 00:43:45

then Allah gives us tawfiq to expand

00:43:46--> 00:43:47

and show up for bigger things. You know?

00:43:47--> 00:43:49

And in Ramadan, it might be you miss

00:43:49--> 00:43:51

your suhoor, and how are you grateful for

00:43:51--> 00:43:54

that gift? You know? For you were served

00:43:55--> 00:43:56

the efthoral you hate.

00:43:57--> 00:43:58

And Yes. How do you show up with

00:43:58--> 00:44:02

gratitude in that moment? And in Ramadan, every

00:44:02--> 00:44:05

day is a is a master class, learning

00:44:05--> 00:44:06

to show up for our our

00:44:07--> 00:44:09

our at night, getting off the

00:44:10--> 00:44:11

patient in in or

00:44:12--> 00:44:14

that sense of like, our scholar, the teacher,

00:44:14--> 00:44:17

that patience is actually the ability to be

00:44:17--> 00:44:17

grateful

00:44:18--> 00:44:21

in the moment of difficulty. Mhmm. So patience,

00:44:21--> 00:44:23

gratitude, and gratitude is patience, and

00:44:23--> 00:44:25

we are learning that in Ramadan.

00:44:26--> 00:44:28

How can you Allah give you this fasting

00:44:28--> 00:44:30

so you turn, you come out becoming more

00:44:30--> 00:44:33

grateful of Allah and his blessings because when

00:44:33--> 00:44:35

you are mindful, you're present, you're aware of

00:44:35--> 00:44:37

who Allah is and what he has given

00:44:37--> 00:44:37

you,

00:44:38--> 00:44:41

then you have nothing but sugar that'll flow.

00:44:41--> 00:44:42

And

00:44:42--> 00:44:45

when you sit and say, I didn't eat

00:44:45--> 00:44:47

suhoor, but what resources Allah has given in

00:44:47--> 00:44:50

my body and myself and what do I

00:44:50--> 00:44:52

do? And you think about human beings that

00:44:52--> 00:44:54

how long they went without food or water

00:44:54--> 00:44:56

or what abilities Allah has given in your

00:44:56--> 00:44:59

body, what blessings you've got. And

00:45:00--> 00:45:02

that do you not see what Allah has

00:45:02--> 00:45:03

given you, the signs and the majesty in

00:45:03--> 00:45:05

your own body, and you start thinking about

00:45:05--> 00:45:06

the blessings.

00:45:06--> 00:45:07

When you're mindful and aware, you come back

00:45:07--> 00:45:10

to Allah, automatically, your sugar flows.

00:45:10--> 00:45:12

Oh, yes. Oh, it's such a beautiful thing

00:45:12--> 00:45:14

that the prophet used to say this dua

00:45:14--> 00:45:14

after every

00:45:17--> 00:45:19

that becomes first and then the sugar. Because

00:45:19--> 00:45:21

if you're in a state of dhikr, then

00:45:21--> 00:45:21

shukr

00:45:22--> 00:45:24

will flow. And then if shukr and shukr

00:45:24--> 00:45:25

becomes who you are, then

00:45:26--> 00:45:27

the will unlock.

00:45:27--> 00:45:28

Then then

00:45:29--> 00:45:30

the excellence and the beauty of your faith

00:45:30--> 00:45:33

will unlock. And we can we can practice

00:45:33--> 00:45:35

that every day with small things in Ramadan

00:45:35--> 00:45:37

to slowly increase that capacity.

00:45:38--> 00:45:40

I love how you describe it as a

00:45:40--> 00:45:41

muscle.

00:45:41--> 00:45:44

And some of us may have flabby gratitude

00:45:44--> 00:45:46

muscles, but we can strengthen it. But you

00:45:46--> 00:45:49

can strengthen it by looking for those little

00:45:49--> 00:45:49

moments.

00:45:50--> 00:45:52

And something that I did, if I ever

00:45:52--> 00:45:54

miss Suhur, and I put my hand and

00:45:54--> 00:45:56

I, like, I I just make the, I

00:45:56--> 00:45:59

say, you know, that throughout the day, you

00:45:59--> 00:46:01

know, I talk for sometimes 8, 10 hours,

00:46:01--> 00:46:04

and I always have a drink next to

00:46:04--> 00:46:07

me, hot drinks to just soothe my throat.

00:46:07--> 00:46:08

And I say, you Allah,

00:46:08--> 00:46:10

nourish me. I didn't make it for the

00:46:10--> 00:46:14

suhoor. Nourish me. And it's amazing how I

00:46:14--> 00:46:15

will not have any dryness.

00:46:16--> 00:46:18

And Allah will provide in miraculous

00:46:19--> 00:46:20

way when you ask him.

00:46:20--> 00:46:23

Now I'm gonna shift gears a bit because

00:46:23--> 00:46:24

amid

00:46:24--> 00:46:25

the profound

00:46:26--> 00:46:29

challenges and tragedies faced by the Palestinian people,

00:46:29--> 00:46:31

they've really shown

00:46:31--> 00:46:33

remarkable resilience, perseverance,

00:46:34--> 00:46:36

and unwavering faith.

00:46:36--> 00:46:39

So what I wanna know, sister Naima, how

00:46:39--> 00:46:40

do you perceive

00:46:41--> 00:46:41

the Palestinian

00:46:42--> 00:46:44

people as a source of light and guidance

00:46:44--> 00:46:45

for all of us,

00:46:46--> 00:46:46

especially

00:46:47--> 00:46:48

with the steadfastness

00:46:48--> 00:46:48

and

00:46:49--> 00:46:49

resilience

00:46:50--> 00:46:52

on Allah amid all of this adversity.

00:46:53--> 00:46:55

SubhanAllah. We ask Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala to

00:46:55--> 00:46:57

bring ease to the people and establish the

00:46:57--> 00:47:00

justice. I mean, I would say very briefly

00:47:01--> 00:47:03

an understanding of the value of this life.

00:47:05--> 00:47:06

Bottom line,

00:47:06--> 00:47:08

so many of us are caught up in

00:47:08--> 00:47:09

the dunya. It

00:47:10--> 00:47:13

completely overtakes us when we are consumed by

00:47:13--> 00:47:16

it and consumed with it. And I think

00:47:16--> 00:47:18

when you see how the Palestinians

00:47:18--> 00:47:21

deal with the loss of aspects of this

00:47:21--> 00:47:21

dunya,

00:47:22--> 00:47:23

you realize that

00:47:24--> 00:47:26

their goal is akhirah. You know? Their goal

00:47:26--> 00:47:27

is akhirah.

00:47:27--> 00:47:30

Their ultimate destination is akhirah, and they understand

00:47:30--> 00:47:32

that everything that we have is merely a

00:47:32--> 00:47:32

manna.

00:47:33--> 00:47:35

Everything that we have is on loan. Everything

00:47:35--> 00:47:37

that we have belongs to Allah. We belong

00:47:37--> 00:47:38

to Allah, and we're going back to him.

00:47:38--> 00:47:39

So that

00:47:42--> 00:47:43

we all say that, don't we? Always there

00:47:43--> 00:47:45

are a lot of things that we just

00:47:45--> 00:47:46

say. Like

00:47:46--> 00:47:47

is

00:47:47--> 00:47:50

another one. We say things like this.

00:47:50--> 00:47:52

But I think the Palestinians,

00:47:53--> 00:47:55

Allah has put them in a situation where

00:47:55--> 00:47:57

they have to live that. Mhmm. They have

00:47:57--> 00:47:58

to live.

00:48:00--> 00:48:01

They live.

00:48:04--> 00:48:05

And that for me is one of the

00:48:05--> 00:48:06

most profound

00:48:06--> 00:48:08

lessons really from

00:48:08--> 00:48:10

the trial that they're going through and seeing

00:48:10--> 00:48:12

how they deal with it is a reminder

00:48:12--> 00:48:13

that

00:48:13--> 00:48:15

Allah has chosen this for them. It's not

00:48:15--> 00:48:17

to say it couldn't be me or you

00:48:17--> 00:48:20

or somebody else next month, next year.

00:48:20--> 00:48:22

And maybe and this is maybe a bit

00:48:22--> 00:48:23

controversial.

00:48:24--> 00:48:26

Nobody wants to be tested. We said this

00:48:26--> 00:48:29

before. Nobody likes to lose. Nobody nobody wants

00:48:29--> 00:48:30

to be in that situation.

00:48:31--> 00:48:32

But don't you think

00:48:33--> 00:48:35

that when you see how the people who

00:48:35--> 00:48:36

are suffering

00:48:37--> 00:48:39

rely on Allah with a pure reliance,

00:48:40--> 00:48:42

how they love Allah with this the strength

00:48:42--> 00:48:46

and purity of love and their clarity about

00:48:46--> 00:48:47

the the this dunya,

00:48:47--> 00:48:49

how clear it is for them.

00:48:49--> 00:48:51

Don't you think that sometimes we are the

00:48:51--> 00:48:52

losers?

00:48:52--> 00:48:54

That we are the ones, the ones who

00:48:54--> 00:48:56

are so blinded, the ones who are so

00:48:56--> 00:48:58

comfortable, the ones who are so sort of

00:48:58--> 00:49:00

just enjoying our lives and, you know, not

00:49:00--> 00:49:02

really aware of the reality of this life,

00:49:02--> 00:49:04

that we are actually the ones who are

00:49:05--> 00:49:07

at loss and that they are the ones

00:49:07--> 00:49:08

who are being favored. And I know that

00:49:08--> 00:49:11

that sounds maybe that maybe that's, like, not

00:49:11--> 00:49:12

right to say,

00:49:12--> 00:49:14

but I have to look at and we

00:49:14--> 00:49:16

have to look at the example of the

00:49:16--> 00:49:17

prophet alayhi wasalam. Alayhi wasalam.

00:49:18--> 00:49:20

Yes. How many of them lived lives of

00:49:20--> 00:49:23

of hashtag couple goals, you know, and and

00:49:23--> 00:49:26

Instagram worthy houses and, like, the lifestyle that

00:49:26--> 00:49:29

everybody wants. Right. None of them, except a

00:49:29--> 00:49:32

few. Yeah. Most of them were tested severely,

00:49:33--> 00:49:35

and yet they are the most favored, the

00:49:35--> 00:49:37

most favored of the whole of mankind.

00:49:38--> 00:49:39

So I have to say, sometimes I look

00:49:39--> 00:49:41

at the Palestinians and I say, you know

00:49:41--> 00:49:41

what?

00:49:42--> 00:49:44

My naf says, I don't wanna be in

00:49:44--> 00:49:46

your position. But my iman says,

00:49:47--> 00:49:49

to have even a taste of what you

00:49:50--> 00:49:51

know in your heart,

00:49:52--> 00:49:54

what would that be worth? That is so

00:49:54--> 00:49:55

profound.

00:49:56--> 00:49:59

That is very profound to just reflect on

00:49:59--> 00:50:02

the fact that they have an AHRA driven

00:50:03--> 00:50:03

purpose,

00:50:04--> 00:50:06

and they are letting go

00:50:08--> 00:50:09

in full understanding

00:50:09--> 00:50:09

of

00:50:11--> 00:50:14

and and really embodying it. I I really

00:50:14--> 00:50:15

feel

00:50:16--> 00:50:18

I I feel humbled by their experience

00:50:19--> 00:50:22

and how they are handling their difficulty. I

00:50:22--> 00:50:25

feel that they have shattered the ceiling

00:50:26--> 00:50:27

of what it means

00:50:28--> 00:50:30

to have tawakkul, what it means to have

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riddha and what it means

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to put tawakkulalala.

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I it really has it has transformed the

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way I view things. And I feel like

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there's so much work that I need to

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do on myself

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to even

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come close to having that level of

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understanding.

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And I feel if we look at it

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in that way

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and because we are talking about being transformed

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by the light

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and the light enters through the wound. Right?

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We have said that that is a home

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of Rumi.

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It is a wound in our oma, but

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light is emanating from it, and we've all

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been touched. And if you haven't been touched

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by it, I think we really need to

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do some soul searching and seeing

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how can we use

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this as a way to truly be transformed

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by that light.

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Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. And, you know, I was

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thinking about, like, this TEFLA, the promises, and,

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you know, pointed to his heart and said

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TEFLA have it's here. It's here. Right? And

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and they really have it here. Like, when

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you listen to the stories, we feel like,

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who are we on this, you know, like,

00:51:33--> 00:51:34

hot hot gets this interview.

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Who who are we? We should just all

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just sit back and just keep listening to

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the story. It's just

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because we're talking about it and they're experiencing

00:51:42--> 00:51:44

it. And we're talking

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about and they really

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know. Is the masterclass in letting go. Right?

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That you spoke all your distraction and and

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your soul focus and your experience and your

00:51:59--> 00:52:01

being and your state of being, everything is,

00:52:01--> 00:52:04

like, in the essence of Allah, and they

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have that like, they've completely

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have let go, and

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no other nobody else but

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and that's when, you know, like,

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what that unlocks for them in their heart,

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what that unlocked

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for Ibrahim alayhis salaam, you know, when he

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let go of everything else and he was

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thrown into that fire, and he even let

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go of the.

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And he only said Allah. Right?

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At home and how that fire turned into

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the garden for him, That may all make

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this, source of garden and

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I mean, that's a beautiful

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reflection. Beautiful.

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Sister Naima, would you like to maybe make

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some dua for us and for the people

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who are watching for in this Ramadan

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as far as what we need to do

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to actually be transformed. Because as brother Wadhud

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said so eloquently

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earlier that it is not about doing more

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because many people get caught up with the

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list and they're checking off how many times

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did they finish the Quran and how many

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times they're doing things. And that's excellent. We

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should aspire to do more, but in the

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process we have to become more.

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And so what are maybe some duas that

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you can make

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for our viewers to Insha Allah achieve that?

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I pray that Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala first

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and foremost allows us to see Ramadan.

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Amen.

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Allows us to show up fully

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for Ramadan to honor this special, sacred,

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blessed time that we've been blessed with and

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allows us

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to evolve through Ramadan.

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And whatever we gain this Ramadan, may Allah

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subhanahu wa ta'ala allow us to hold onto

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it. And may it become a part of

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us as we move beyond Ramadan so that

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we are constantly

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Insha'Allah

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level by level, leveling up to become the

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best version of ourselves

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and draw nearer and nearer to him as

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we end our journey.

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That's beautiful.

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I loved having you on. Thank you so

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much.

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You're very dear to me and

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may Allah light your path and give you

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barakat in everything that you do.

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soon.

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soon.