Ummah Talk #003 – Tawfique Chowdhury – Strategic Projects, Risk-taking, Why I Left the West
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Okay, Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu wa salam ala rasulillah dear brothers and sisters Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh and welcome to another Omar talk podcast episode. Today I have with me, one of my teachers and mentors
all the way on the other side of the earth.
In Malaysia, it's chef Sophie choudry. Chef tofu is executive chairman of messy mission world. He's an emergency physician and executive director of our entire hospital in Kuala Lumpur. And he also graduated from the Columbia from Korea to Sharia in Medina University.
shift to a salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
Chef, it feels as though I think, two brothers and sisters in London in the West, it feels as though it's been a long time since we've heard from you or connected with you. But
just too long.
So Pamela, yeah. And I'm just gonna
let people know how, how I came across your work. And, you know, basically, one day, I had, I was at home had three kids. And somebody sent me a text message and said, there's this conference going on in London, first time, twins have faith, right. And I just wanted to get out of the house, I, you know, I was stuck at home for so long
with the kids. And I said to my husband, you know, I need this I needed, I needed a spiritual boost, you know, so he said, Fine, go ahead, you know, so I paid the 20 pounds, and I attended the conference. And so Pamela, that was the first time that I've actually heard you speak even and, and throughout your talk at the conference. I was sitting there in my in the club, and I was crying my eyes out, because
I'd never actually heard
I would say Muslim scholars and, you know, sheoak people have been speak in such an empowering and motivating way.
And I think you kind of ignited reignited in me some of the
some of the ambitions that I'd had, or some of the things that I'd always wanted to do, but that seemed a bit out of reach.
So hamdulillah that was, that was how it started. And then of course, I became an author, student.
And also, I graduated from the students Guild, without co author, so 100 in love, I'm really grateful to you and
I think you've got your, like, mark on so many projects in the West, I think people don't even realize, you know, some of the big brands and names that we hear about like ns and F and charity, right, and all sorts of go through, etc, etc.
You know, you've had a part to play in that. And
I just wanted to ask you
to start off with
years ago, you shared your vision with us, a group of us
It was one of the most inspiring. No, it was the most inspiring vision I've ever heard somebody articulate. Could you share that please with our,
with our listeners?
I don't think I'm worthy of any of the things that you've said. And I do remember that twins of faith conference. I think I was so passionate at that conference, you know, because I was, I just come from Edina, I
went up my chance to do my masters in fact, had given up the best thing that's ever happened to me. Other than be a Muslim which is
which is to live in Medina. The lF Medina was like the day I had lost my house my father's father mother, everybody. I cried like a baby the day I left Medina because I remember that these are the prophecies Salam Medina throws out the filth in the dirt, just like just like the fire of the blacksmith removes all the fields from the iron. So I thought you know, I'm that feels that Medina throwing, throwing out.
But there was one thing that made me leave. And that was that I was searching for what to do with my life. Why I had given up my medical degree, because I had a medicine before I went to Medina, only to continue it later. But one of the reasons I had left it was because I was searching for a purpose for my life. Why did Allah create me in the 21st century? What did he want from me? What could what value Could I add as a Bengali Indian?
guy living in Australia trying to make a mark on the world? What value Could I add? And as I was passing by, I don't know if it was an angel whispering in my ear. But it was just a thought that came into my head as I was passing by the grave of Bahamas SLM, and paying my salons to our province facility. And it was that, you know, if you really think that you follow this man, it's not sufficient to simply pray, how we prayed and fast how we fasted. Rather, if you really want to follow this man, then do what he would have done, had he been alive.
I don't know. It's just the way it was phrased the way the thought was phrased, in my mind. It just unlocked this unlimited passion and desire in me to do something big.
It unlocked in me this, this clarity of thought, and this vividness of purpose, that told me that really, my purpose was to achieve the vision of the final messenger. And that is what makes me jump out of bed every single day, I am going to fulfill the vision of myself today. So I basically began to figure out what it is that he is going to do. So I said, Okay, if my purpose is to fulfill his vision, and what would Mohammed have done, so I wrote down on a big whiteboard with a lot of
sticky sticky sheets of paper, what would you have done, you would have helped the orphans you would have, you would have conveyed the final revelation, he would have spread Islam, he would have looked after the new Muslims, I wrote on every act of the prophet of God, almost 90 of them then I clasp them together, together. And then together until I came with.
What made sense to me it is that the Prophet says the love would have tried to achieve a world where every Muslim can live faithfully, to their belief, building an exemplary atomic community that benefits humanity.
And that took almost three years that process three years of struggle and strive trying to find the right words, I felt like I had a stroke in my brain and couldn't find the words to express what I really felt until the words came to me. And I was able to then, you know, I felt just the profit some felt when jabril said to him, I was Priscilla said to him,
and he said, Mara Bukhari I can't read, and I felt like I can't I don't know how to explain what I want to do. Until I found the words and when I found the words, it was like, that's it, like, Are you with me? Or are you not with me? You know, that was what made me really, really,
really motivate myself. So I think what it taught me was that we are as good as are the words we use.
Our leadership is as good as a word for us. Our vision is as good as the way we phrase it.
And hamdulillah Allah azza wa jal allowed me to phrase it in a way that motivated others to join hamdulillah. Now,
many years later, what is it now it's been 16 years later since that episode, where now Alhamdulillah 10s of 1000s of people around the world, work with us in the projects that we do 100
can you give people a glimpse into what kind of situation you were in when you started that? The reason why I'm asking is there might be brothers and sisters out there listening, who've got some idea in them in their head, you know, some dream, some something that they would like to do. But, you know, they don't know where to start.
What kind of situation were you in? Like, I just wanted to mention to you like, a few weeks ago, I spoke to rather Muslim big. And he was talking about this concept of inherited cowardice, right. He was talking about how us from the Indian subcontinent, right? A lot of us have got this inferiority complex, you know, this inherited candidates that, you know, is just inbuilt. Or at least he that's what he's observed. So as an Asian person, you know, growing up in the West,
probably you went through identity crises as a young person.
Why did you think you could do what you set out to do?
Well, thank you for the question. Look, I was a bit of a rebel all the time.
I just didn't, I just didn't give a damn what people thought I still don't give a damn. I don't just give a damn. I just don't care what people think. And that's why for me the easiest versus while I have gone along with Allah and they don't fear the, the blame of the blamers like, you know what, I just can't be damned what you think I'm just gonna do what I feel is right. And I am just gonna do it until I make you believe. And I make you understand that what I'm saying is correct. Or at least you see my point of view, or at least if you don't agree with it, at least you appreciate it. I never gave a demo and never give a damn well, that was a good Muslim or bad Muslim or that was
practicing or not practicing whether it was before it mercy mission or after it, I just never gave it them. And in the process, of course, we slept on lots of different tools.
All the mesh I got angry. Who the hell is this guy? This guy just studied, you know, a few things. And now he feels like his wing has outstretched you know, the elderly Messiah, they would come to me and like, you know what, relax, this is not our way. lactoferrin is not the way I found that you know what, later on they ended up agreeing with me. So
first, stop giving a damn about anybody except Allah doesn't matter. No one carries your risk. No one can do good to you. More can harm you except a lovable element. Nothing goofy until a calamity for this house, the pens have been lifted and the ink has dried up, you know, and if the whole oma got together to harm you, they couldn't harm you. And if the whole nations of the world got together to benefit you, they could benefit you or miss Allah wanted. So don't give a damn what people think that simple one. But that doesn't mean I'm arrogant or that you know what I'm insensitive. If If I was like that they would have run away from me like people would have run away from you know, what I
mean by don't give a damn meaning that if you believe in something, you believe something is right, you believe it will work? Then you better be the first lever. And to prove that you are the believer, you have to be the hardest worker. I remember when I started mercy mission, people didn't join. People didn't join. Because there's so many people out there who talk. There's 15 people out there giving lectures and vision every day. But why would people join me is because I have to walk the talk. So it was when I left my full time medical training.
And I became a part time in that medical training and I became a full time in that hour. That was when I noticed azeem leaving his job and joining mercy mission and I left and I noticed Kashif leaving his job with Nakia as one of the managers or Nokia, senior managers, Nokia and joining mercy mission full time for the best people. They, they Yes, you might hook them with your words. But if you really want to have them with you for life, you have to prove it with your actions. So I believe that actions speak louder than words and you have to be able
to believe in it and be able to sacrifice everything for it. And I'll give you an example of how crazy I was in sacrificing for this. I even went to my wife once I remember this was when I got accepted into Medina and I told her and I just married her three months ago and believe me, I mean
she was one of the most important people in my life after my mom and my dad. And I went to her and I told her Listen, I got accepted to Medina, and I don't know what to expect.
So I'm going to give you two choices. You either join me in Medina
Or I leave you here and divorce you.
And I told her that I love you, my wife, but there is a greater love that I have.
And that is our last panel with Allah. And so
I have only one chance only a few days left of this dunya for me.
And I will put Islam before you there is absolutely no way that you can ever convince me otherwise. So the decision is yours. If you want to follow me, you're welcome. And if you're not, I will leave you I don't know how many of you are probably laughing when you're thinking about as I might have a washcloth or hot water on me. If I ever did that my husband's gonna stop me or it's easy for you to do that because you're mad and I'm a woman and I'm sure you're thinking of that. But you know, we all have our ways in which we can do that with our families. We can demonstrate to them that we're very passionate about what we want to do.
And you have to do this thing called hitchman Hendra from Africa to Medina is finished right hijra for muckety muck, Ishmael. But JIRA continues to this day where you do hijra from one country to another and you do hedra from your profession to another and you leave the region or from your life to another. I do many times. I left my medical degree or to go to Medina and I threw away. I could have been a specialist of lot earlier and not to the difficulty of intro then I left Medina came back to Australia I left Australia went to Malaysia. I did his show multiple times in a metaphoric metaphorical sense of of the word. And every time I did Allah was looked after me. And every time I
did, Allah gave me a better life. So it's time that everyone really thinks about this word called hegira. And have you really done hedger for Allah subhanho wa Taala? Are you ready to change your life and your circumstances and to walk the talk? If you do so then you will find that people will listen, I launched mercy mission in difficult circumstances, I launched when I didn't have any money. So I had to sell my car. I remember I had a I had a family wagon, and I sold it for $10,000 Australian, and I made my wife walk in the sun, with with my kids to drop them off in school and bring them up. It's about three kilometers. I used to make the walk every day.
I was a medical student in Gold Coast, studying this in second time. I'm doing medicine now. And I used to make her work and she's asked me why did you do that? I said, This is what Allah has come from our hands go into the hands of Allah. But oh, well, what if people don't come to a golf? If it doesn't work? I don't know. It might it might work. Let's give it a go. What's the worst that can happen? We lost a car. As she looked at me with a bad face. I said yeah, because seriously, if somebody gives a talk, have we really lost ever we haven't lost anything. We've only delayed our investment and profits, and hamdulillah it's going to come to us.
So I saw that I remember and every time I sold the car I always you know told my wife You know what, Allah will give us something better. So new for old I always used to say to allies look at that it's a new football era, but giving you something to expect from you because you're the king of the universe. Alhamdulillah really remember, soon after, I think six months or nine months later, one of my business contacts in Saudi Arabia came back to me and gave me a ton of money that he had forgotten to give me I bought my wife a new car so I always got something better for it. So I never ever saw an investment in the law as anything except an investment that is going to bring me massive
profits later on. I've done it multiple times. I remember I sold a VM my BMW mercy mission the school submission was in need of money and I had this BMW 2005 models five series it was a it was okay car. It was nine years old when I sold it and I set it up new for old new for old I expect a new one and this time I wonder Mercedes
dampierre So anyway, hunger Allah gave me a new one of two years later but from the lesser goddess I always see everything as investment. There's something I haven't gotten back by the way so cars I did get back money I gave 12 I got back on that I gave to allow to a clip back because people dishonored me when I launched into this this tower. They said I become mad. What's he doing? He's become a terrorist. You know and stuff that people say but hamdulillah ordered me to like like you are honoring me with the words that you said. So Allah ordered me to But there's one thing I haven't gotten back which is time, which is time and this is what I always say to a lot of I I spent a lot
of really prime time being away from my children. My
kids grew up and I have eight kids. You bless me with eight of them but I didn't see us to grow up. Or I shall say never Abraham or Maria or Khadija or Asya and whoever else name I've forgotten now to mention
I didn't see all of them grow up Europe. I was too busy. I was running around in some other countries but spreading your deen. So
if you don't return that time back,
But I hope you do.
So that's what I'm hoping for.
what do you mean by to get that time back? What What would that look like for you? I guess I guess this is what I want everyone to remember. Is that what makes the struggle really worth it?
is to remember that Allah doesn't forget. Even Allahu Allah you as your Allah. Allah will never forget the reward of my sinning.
Omar Khan Allahu Leo de Monaco, Allah will never let your Eman go to waste the money you could eat. Allah will never let your good deeds both ways. It says
at this verse was revealed regarding Salah when the Sahaba asked about the the Salah Sahaba who were praying towards better map this we didn't know about the people are having turned towards Makkah. So Allah said Allah will never let you get these foot waste. So even if we misguided even if what we're doing is not right, even if initially, we launched and we didn't, we weren't really guided. Allah will never let our Eman go to waste. And so I always tell our brothers and sisters to guys strike when the iron is hot and don't wait for the perfect vision don't make the perfect circumstances I lost with no money. I sold my car I launched with no people I sold my you know I gave up my
friendships in order to build new friends I I gave up my my youth in order to work for this cause I gave up my free time I traveled out of 32 weeks I traveled 37 weeks I didn't see my wife I I remember my children used to raise their hands to God and say well I'll make the plane late so my father can spend another another few hours with me. I remember use of thinking do I like that so any This is what I mean by a lover replace everything with something better? Is that even new for all right? So we give up our Allah will give us youth are getting that for inshallah, we give up our time so long give us eternal life in Mathura inshallah, and we have difficulty in this dunya
inshallah Allah will give us ease in Darfur, and that's what I love this flower
of him a lot. He said, Allah is one of the salon he said, every single thing has its sweetness and sourness. Everything has a sweetness and sourness and whoever taste the sweetness in this dunya will taste the sounds in the Koran who taste the sourness. And this dunya with this is Victor snouffer. And so he said alcohol tastes sweet. And Zenith a sweet for the one who is doing it. So that's the sweetness you're tasting in this dunya you will taste the sourness of alpha. And if you've tasted the sourness in this dunya Jihad and Hajin O'Meara doing hot times, struggling in the path of Allah, when you don't have money, when you don't have family support, no one's everyone's against you, then
you will taste the sweetness of Darfur. So this is what makes me struggling strive even more knowing that Allah was looking and will and knowing that inshallah all we're doing is investing our time for something better. So my suggestion in summary to everyone there, there is no good time to start. If you're passionate about something, and that's the word I guess the passion, the word passion, passion comes from the French word passion, which means to sacrifice something, you've got to sacrifice something in order to achieve the thing you're passionate about.
So what are you sacrificing, be ready to sacrifice, be ready to sacrifice anything and everything that you have time, health, wealth, and your family in the path of a life you know, that's what I have. I did sacrifice everything. I wanted everything from them, everything from them.
And that's what you should be ready to sacrifice and Allah azza wa jal will, will give it back to you believe me, you will give it back to you even better.
Chef, you emphasize to me So, a lot in terms of like for people who have vision, you said this amazing crease to me said
you should give an amount that scares you. Right?
Can you explain that like, because for most of us, that's counting to you too. If you're about to start a project, you're trying to save money because you want to use that money to launch your project or you want to use that money for you know, just to get some things done.
equipment, maybe whatever.
Can you tell us about why you say, give an amount that scares you?
Well, you see what I know, I've only rephrased the Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu, who said and authentic hadith in both parties that were lovely I would never want from Allah mountain or should in gold, except that might not fall except that I've given it all away, you know, the heartbeat, right? So this is what the prophet is actually saying, give something away so much that it frightens you that you don't have enough to live on, that you don't have enough to eat food with. That is what the hypothetical is that you trust, the giver of money, rather than the money that you trust a lot more than the money in your pocket.
And you know, US people who think we are righteous, though, are the people our vision, we don't give enough supply at all. This is one thing we definitely are different from the Sahaba in the Sahaba would get in a way in which they did not have anything left for food. Remember that? They used to give so much away that they did not have left for food. Why would they do that? Why would they do that? And you know, it didn't make sense to me. It didn't it didn't make sense to me until my wife taught me something. I want to share that with you. You see my wife helps me in some of the medical work that I do. These days. I do a little bit of telehealth because I'm stuck in Malaysia with this
lockdown. So do a little bit of telehealth so I can pay for my fees and my bills of living. So my wife helps me in that. So I give her a bit of a salary from because she's actually helping me so I said okay, medical admin, you know, she looks at me or like, you know, don't I just deserve it just because Relax, relax, but
just take it you know, you know, because you helping me anyhow, I'll give her a good a decent salary. Check. What did you say you do tele telehealth, tele,
can move up surgery or something. Surgery. That's right. So when so basically emergency departments in Australia when they have a heart attack, or someone who's dying, they will call me just like I'm doing this call with you. I get on the call with them except the video and then I'll direct them to do Okay, so I'm the doctor in charge and these other junior doctors do this do that. Tell me tell me what's going on? What's the blood pressure? What's going on with the heart rate? Right preventive ation call this call that so this is telehealth, right. So we run research scenarios on remote in rural hospitals where there is not adequate leadership. There are adequate doctors there. Okay. So I
have a my wife, you know, a decent president. And the next thing I know, she buys me gifts with it. She spends it all on me. She bought me some earphones so that I could do better phone calls. She bought me a nice watch. She bought me a new phone. She bought me She keeps buying things for me. I said, Hey, I gave you that money to spend on you know, I don't want you to buy anything from me. And all she does is buy stuff for me. And you know, it makes me so
when I see that. It makes me so
embarrassed first of all. Yeah. And it makes me so appreciative. And next time, I want to give her 10 times the money because I know that lady is upset on me.
And this is me. What do you think about the mode of the universe? If we were to give the money that he gives us back to him?
Don't you think Allah azza wa jal will be ashamed? Not to give us more?
Think about it. I'm ashamed.
I'm ashamed to give her the same amount next month, because I know she'll keep on spending on me. I feel like No, no. If I give a 10,000 she'll spend 8000 on me. I might as well give her this time. 15,000 because I know she'll still 8000 now. And next year give a 15 I actually bumped it up from 10 to 15. Next thing I know she's spending 12 on me like what the hell What to do? I mean, I'm embarrassed. How much should I give her I'm not the Lord of the universe.
But this is not me who has everything.
And this is why you should give give to the king of the universe. You're not given to a beggar you're given to the one with everything doesn't need it. But who is the most gracious at shakeela Shaku the one who's excessively thankful, the one who is constantly thankful a shotgun, constantly thankful Shaco they excessively thankful you give him I don't know you give him a small amount of money 100 ringgit $100 and it gives you a million dollars. This is excessively thankful This is Allah. So we are losing the greatest strategy of Getting Rich.
The critical strategy of Getting Rich was to
To a lot of baloney,
it's far better than investing in buying shares right now. And far better strategy than anything else. I have gotten rich through actually living in South Africa. And I encourage all my brothers and sisters to do the same, and to not be worried about anything at all. And, you know, if you work for BBC, who pays your salary, guys? Is it British Telecom? Do they pay your salary or BBC pays your salary? Obviously, he pays a salary if you work for BBC, if you work for Allah, Allah pays your salary pay, it's not somebody else, not your, your, your boss that pays a salary, believe me. It's just the window. Asked me trust me when I tell you that it's the first time you gave it's really
hard. First time you give something really massive. It's really hard. But I challenge you. I challenge you send your car, give it away, go up, you know, go a month or two without a car like oh my god, how the hell am I gonna drive? I don't care how you're gonna drive. You're gonna figure it out. You got it, right? No, is that what Dr. Seuss? The the cat would we say? So I say old chap. You have shoes in your you have? What does he say? He said, You have brains in your head. You have shoes on your feet, you can go wherever you please. So you're a very decent human being, you'll be able to figure it out, given away to Allah
and inshallah you will see your life changing. And actually, I don't know people crazy enough to listen to me. Some of you will be like, What are you talking about? But I'm telling you always do what you always did. You'll always get what you always got. If you want to get what you never got. You must do what you never did. So you must do what you never did. If you never gave up collect the way the Sahaba gave sadhaka perhaps that's the reason why you're so poor. That's why every single time you're still stuck
with the same wealth you haven't really increased. You want to get a lot of wealth then do that. hamdulillah I started multimission I was a very poor doctor until 2015. I started off with $100,000 loan from my dad. I said Dad, I need 100,000 Australian loans. Okay, San Diego and he wanted us back later. So started off with a loan
Alhamdulillah now I own a hospital. How do I own a hospital? I didn't steal it from anybody. By the way. I didn't have to kidnap anyone. I didn't have to take any rubber
hamdulillah I own half a hospital. Now. I told you as far to my toll bottom of it as well that I'm building my first tower. I'm just getting my second tower now. Fatima Al Hamdulillah I'm actually building a tower. I'm a I'm a doctor. Hello. I'm a doctor building a tower. 1000 What kind of
it's a residential tower. Okay, what units 42? storeys? How the hell am I doing all this? I don't, I didn't study this in Medina, at schools, the TV channels. Now we are doing my first tower. I did hospitals. I run two hospitals at the moment. And I'm building my fourth one, my third one and the fourth one now, how in the world am I doing all of this? I'm just a doctor. And we launched 53 projects, 53 projects in mercy mission, our mercy mission revenue worldwide is in the 10s of millions.
How did we achieve all of this? How did we achieve all of this whilst I'm still having the time to talk to you still doing telehealth still having eight kids Alhamdulillah and still, you know, enjoying my life and still having probably two months sleep mode more sleep than I want? How am I doing all of that? It's because I do what other people don't do. And that's what I noticed about billionaires. You know, when I started my journey, I said I'm not gonna listen to millionaires, they're a waste of time. And they're, they're usually,
you know, completely.
They don't even have money to follow. So I said, I'm going to I'm going to only speak to billionaires. So I've interviewed 17 billionaires, some of them Muslims from the non Muslim, I met them.
And I asked them Who the hell are you? What makes you so better, so much bigger than me or better than me? And I spoke to them and all I found all I concluded was they think different. That's it, they just think different. They just do what we don't do.
Like, for example, if a simple example, when you invest money, what do you look for? Or 10% 20% per year? Those guys didn't even move unless their money that $100 will will bring them 4,000% 5,000%
they don't look for a 10% 20% growth you like what do you mean? 10% 5000? Yeah, that's right. That's how they think they will not invest $100 into a business until they actually get 100 they get fought for 40 times 50 times in money every year. That's how they think. And I interviewed Tony Fernandez, the the
The founder of airasia as a Tony, you bought airasia for one, single ringgit. But we know that obviously airasia didn't cost one single wrinkle airasia is the lowest in the world was best, low cost airline in the world, right? So, how, how much debt Did you have when you bought it? It's a 32 million. So then how did you end up with 500 airplanes now? And what did you do? I just did what others didn't do. So what did you do? I said, I just thought, okay, you know, what ever buys airplanes. So I'm just going to go to Boeing, and I'm just gonna lock up at air at Boeing's, he went and he locked up at once. So how do you lock it up? So I just went to bring in a solution, I pay a
million million pounds million dollars as a deposit for 80 airplanes. So I basically bought 80 million worth of 80 airplanes I said, then you could have lost it right? You could lose this or this is a non refundable deposit. I said, it's a non refundable deposit. So where did you get 80 million? I just got 80 rich friends. I did a big party with them and said, Listen, who's coming in with me? I'll double your money. I'll double your money in how long in about, you know, in about six months, one year old man, bloody hell, they're gonna kill you. Right? These guys are big people. They'll get the mafia and they'll kill you. So no, no, guess what happened? I said what? He said, I realized
that when I had locked up at airplanes, that all the other airlines, they needed airplanes. They couldn't get airplanes. So they went to Boeing and said, Hey, listen when the airplanes to be delivered in 2015 2016 2017, but they couldn't because I had locked them up. So what do they do? They say don't go to Tony, he has things. So Singapore Airlines came to me and said, Oh, do you have a 747? Yes, I have a 747. I was 7787. What would you like, I need a 787? What's the price? Well, the price is actually 100 is you know 250 million. But if you want it for me, I need another 20 million on top of what what they do in a plane 20 million is nothing compared to 250 to 250 million, they
might as well pay. So they paid the 20 million on top. And Tony gave them the contract. And that was it. That's how he did. So he basically bought four or five or six airplanes for free.
And he had over $300 million in his account, to save airasia with. And he returned all the 80 million from other rich friends of his. And this is how he did it, you see how he thought he took on risk.
And this is the one thing that I have learned in my life is that if your risk appetite is high,
and you're smart, then you will win very, very fast. But if you are the risk averse type, my suggestion is don't be a leader just follow the following are the one who can take that risk.
But taking risks means probably does mean more failure as well, right? Like facing
huge, huge, huge failures. But then they're the failures are dwarfed by the successes of the I have failed a lot. I failed. I've lost millions. For the hour, I've lost millions in business. But then the successes are so huge.
That even one success because you're always looking for that 10 times 20 times rule, right? And that's what I would ask everybody I said always have a 10 times rule in your head. I'll give you a simple example in power. I always had this I said it's nice. We never launch a project unless it leads to another project release to another project. So I said we launch without COVID. Why because I'll cultural Give me the people to launch mercy mission when we launched mercy mission, the first budget would the conference. Why? Because the conference will give us another project.
Because in the conference, I could do a fundraising or conference, I could do a project proposal to people and then they could then join us. We're launching a Masjid, we're launching an orphanage, we're looking at universe, a school, we launched a TV channel Come and join us and people would join and people use money. So everything led to something it was always leveraged.
Yeah, you never I never had one budget without using a stepping stone for something else. very strategic thinking. And that's one of the things that others do not do, which is they did not strategize on what a lot was actually giving them. They thought I'd give you a simple example. I asked the brothers really what was the purpose of a cultural circle conference about knowledge? And I asked I remember one of the images of another organization that also has a large outreach and I said what is the purpose of your organization's purpose of organization is to educate people to become like the other of the West. So, so I said, No, my purpose is different. My purpose is not
knowledge. Knowledge is meant to be gained for
for action. Therefore, our culture is not going to be about knowledge. Our culture is a recruitment ground for projects of action. That's what I used to do. And that's what strategically my courses and classes were always action oriented. What was the first class in alkota
for jurist why why would you launch something which is done in the fourth year ish area? Why would I launch that with launch? alcocer with it because no, I wanted those type of people to recruit over the next one real deal. Why was why was the top of a business because I wanted to find the people that were smart about this Lynette's was the third one.
It was about to cut. Why would I do that? Because I wanted to launch an F. So I'm very strategic in my thinking, every step of mine, you benefit, what is the thinking?
It's about chess vise.
You have to develop your strategy.
When it comes to failures, yes. Now recovering quickly, learning from that, and just getting back up and just moving forward, or what's the what's your go to kind of
strategy when faced with a failure? I guess, I guess when when faced with a failure, I take you through an example we failed in Indonesia.
We thought Oh, Indonesia is gonna be easy, because you know, in Asia is like Malaysia, Indonesia is like I don't know, whichever country we launched in 13 other countries already, what was Indonesia was just another country, we failed Indonesia. We launched there, we did everything. We tried hard. I went there. We spent money. We tried to launch projects. And later on, we just failed, we actually had to give up projects to other organizations to do. So. I mean, there's different reasons why, because we did understand the mindset of the Indonesians.
But the real problem, real problem is how do you recuperate after a loss. So if you're taking money from people, then they you know, they will hate you, if you don't finish the project will want their money back, they will expect that you have goofed up. So there has to be some repercussions. So this is why when I give something up, I actually intended Oh Allah, this is what other states have done.
I'm not really giving sadaqa I'm just making up for the mistakes. So anywhere that I've wasted money, that I've made a bad mistake, oh, Allah counted from that from that. So at least I'm removing my errors. False, but it's not possible. It's not possible of the to succeed in this world without failure. It's a bit like, you know, you go for a turn, or let's say, the Prophet says, The wind for jihad, and he pulled all the Sahaba to give sadaqa and so they gave up but then the battle was lost. And so the people who gave money in the Battle of law come to you and say, Hey, we want our money back. You lost the jihad.
But that's what happens today. These days. When you when you fail the project, people expect their money back or like, Hey, what happened to that mustard? You said you would want to said we never got permission. I'm sorry. But then what happened to the 10,000 ringgit that we that we gave you as India we have to fight it in court or whatever. And, but people don't care. People don't care. They want that Masjid as it so sometimes many times we are really stuck. But Allah azza wa jal always builds us out. He sends this his help.
And really, my suggestion to everybody is don't worry about the money. Don't worry about money Allah provides Allah says, couldn't find it, this creates, he just sends somebody with the money. He, you know, he will come for the money. I don't know, we'll find out. How many angels came down with the money, but I'm telling you money just arrived. Money is the last thing I worry about. Last thing, the first thing, the most important thing to worry about is the people or the people, right? Are there parts, right? Are they the right people? Is it the right leader. And actually, I don't even worry about the people, I just worry about the leader.
I just worry about the main one person, that's it. That person is fixed, and Allah fixes his heart or her heart. That's all I care about. After that as era. I've done my duty, I can't fix everybody. But I will focus on one person, which is the meat of this project. I'll make sure I support him or her, I make sure I help them. And then the rest is up to this man and then Allah subhanho wa Taala and his desire for success in this work. That's all I do have the I build people. That's why any the best description for what we do is to build human beings. And that's what every leader needs to be. That's what you need to be. You need to be a nation builder, or an Obama builder or a leadership
builder. Yeah, you need to build these people need to perfect your art and ability to raise amazing human beings, and then they will carry your legacy forward. And that is the one difference between mercy mission and what we do and many other organizations so that's why I'm able to step out of mercy mission still must mission moves at a very fast pace.
focus on building great leaders. Go ahead. Jeff, you shared
with me that has really stayed with me. Even though I heard it many times, you know, just
you saying in the context of a person who's starting out with, you know very who feels like they don't have many means. You said, You told me that I will levena jaha delphina and the unknown so moulana. Can you tell me like, tell our listeners and viewers, what does this mean? And
how do you interpret it in terms of somebody who has vision?
Well, Laszlo just says one, Latina, da da, da da da, da da sabudana. We're in Allah, Allah, Allah masini. Definitely with the good doors.
So Verily, those who strive struggle, in our cause, meaning whoever strives and struggle in order to establish the deen of Allah subhanho wa Taala on this earth, in order to raise a last name and his mentioned in order to fulfill the vision of the final messenger, which is what the prophet was doing. What was he doing, he was doing jihad, in the cause of Allah, every part of it, every part of his life was about jihad, whoever does what the Prophet would have you been aligned. Who ever struggles in the call Allah subhanho wa Taala. In the same way, as the Prophet says, I'm struggling to spread and establish the deen of Allah on this earth. And Allah surely will guide him to the path
of Hamas SLM to his path in the afra, you know, for those who are either to the path in the, in the Russia, to the pond of oil culture, with the prophets, I send them to Arizona in this dunya, to all good in the path of Allah subhanho wa Taala, so that he may have agenda and this dunya before the offer, and so that he may achieve every single hair that Allah azza wa jal has written for the people of this earth. So in the Latina, jaha delphina Verily, Allah has promised that whoever struggles to help Allah, Allah will guide him to his path leading to agenda in this dunya and in the afternoon, that's how I understand it. And I can tell you what, like,
it is the sweetest thing. There is no other purpose of life there is no other purpose in life. And you know, I don't know I've lost pleasure in anything else. I only wanted a nice car. I like some nice food.
And that was it. Really few holidays perhaps that's it, pleasures of life are gone. Nothing else is a real pleasure in life except putting our happiness on the face of an orphan.
giving us some food to eat for really hungry person.
Establishing a project take the senior take fruit. I mean, how exciting is it to launch a project and seeing 1000s of people benefit with the other day hamdulillah three months ago, we launched our first purpose built school in Malaysia 36 million ringgit man, it gives me goosebumps to go into that school Wow, Mashallah. No 1200 children are going to be studying here very soon 1200 children Mashallah. And it gives me goosebumps because I can imagine now 1000 schools that we're going to launch now, copying this one school that we have
when our projects take off of the you know what I mean, gives me goosebumps when my projects take off. Now, can you imagine now we're building a tower when I launched my first hospital, I thought, Mashallah, we're going to, you know, cure Muslim patients, you know what I mean, for the sake of Allah, what an amazing feeling. So, in the Latina, jaha to pina colada. This is the pleasure of this, Delia. This is the pleasure of this dunya and it's only a beautiful, temporary pleasure before the absolute pleasure when we will meet Allah azza wa jal when he will thank us, and He will give us our eternal
place in Gemini Sharla. And then Allah says, in the law, Allah mursaleen Verily, Allah is definitely with those who do good. And who are the people of x sun and sun as you know as to worship Allah azza wa jal as if you can see him and if you cannot see him the know that he sees you. And I know that as a medical doctor, when I know that someone else is watching me, a more senior doctor watching me I behave in a particular manner when I know nobody's watching me, I behave in another manner. I know that when I'm being recorded, I behave in one particular manner. And when I'm not being recorded, I behave in a particular manner as anila if we can constantly envisage that life is watching us, then
I know that we will have our best behavior inshallah, in this world,
We do and you know, the Sahaba mentioned there's only one step one step on this dunya
if accepts, then you are the happiest man on this earth. You know, even Abdullah Ahmad he said of the Lebanon Masuda deal of the land who said you said tuba tuba meaning the trees and Jana, to the to the ones who Allah accepts even one footstep on this earth. So if we can be of those people who Allah will accept even one footstep, one small deed of ours, that we are the happiest people on this earth. So therefore, the purpose of every single day is to have that one acceptable deed. One acceptable D to Allah and the mazzini are those people who Allah says in another part of the Quran,
where he said, One lady that you tuna ma Otto Baku Margiela to unknown era he brought your own eco use your own fuel hierarchy, or homeless Who woulda dinner.
You go to when they give,
they give whilst their hearts were kulu their hearts are shaking in fear and the homie Lara behave Roger on that they will be returning back to Allah. Allah is they use their own I feel highroad they are competing with each other in the goodness, a homeless abeokuta they are the first to arrive and a Razzie Rahim Allah steadiness of see this verse is the highest level of axon.
Perhaps I'll just spend just half a minute just to explain this verse. What led you to a table but the
apostle he said, Allah Xhosa did not mention what they give, which means that they give their time they give the money to give everything. So those who give them they give the time money, blood, sweat, tears, everything. Once they are afraid that Allah subhanho wa Taala will take them to account on the great day was afraid Allah is watching.
So as I should have said Rasul Allah says Philip Are these the people who passed and gives up but then they commit Zina? It's a no yeah.
This is authentic and Buhari. He said, No, you're interested. These are the people who fast and pray but they are afraid that Allah will not accept their fast and that's why I'll quote Rahim Allah He said that the righteous people are more worried about the good that they're worried about their bad because they know that the bad you can repent from it easily loves to forgive, he will forgive. And that's why even
says in a loony loop, look at look at what he said. He said well, la hamartia, Luba for Allah, Allah subhanaw taala. Ronnie, what are kinema aka insula harville called him into him and what he will is Allah He I don't fear my sins For indeed it is on the path of forgiveness and repentance.
But what I really fear is that my heart will cease to command by this and by this way of Allah subhana wa Tada. So, this is why he says in his seal in this in this episode of this particular verse, He said, Well, he righteous people are not worried about their bad deeds, because they know that their bad deeds, whatever it is, they can repent from it, Allah will forgive or replace it with the good deed, but they are worried about their good deeds because the only way to fix a good deed that is deficient is to do another good deed and swallow that means you build a mustard but that's deficient you got to build another mustard now you you did Hajj already that was hard work spent
20,000 pounds in the process, but now you got to do it again because that hardly adjusted was deficient. Yeah, Allah so how difficult is that? Some people they they feel kind of crippled by that thought you know the thought that what if my intention isn't right What if
accepted, right? But that's true your intention definitely isn't right. I mean, why
one of the scholars Islam, he said well he you know, forgotten his name and stuff for a lot but luckily one of the scholars Islam said in his your element Ebola as a verb, he was quoted as quoting his his biography said well law he asked me to do what you love what law he I cannot say I sought the hell knowledge if one day for the sake of Allah and other Have you said right after I remember Really? He said, Well, I even I cannot do it. Yes.
You cannot cannot ever claim you have right intention or anything. But I mean, it stops people. For some people, it stops them doing for a moment. Yes, for a moment definitely stops me to. I can't blame them for a moment. It's like, you're up if we're that incapable. Why you do anything, right?
Why anything? But then you have to remember when you feel that incapable that afraid you must follow it with hope. You must remember that loves the words
accepts even the drink of water in a dirty shoe from a prostitute to a dog.
To that, that he can accept my deficient deed as well Oh Allah accepted from era. And I accepted from my children when they draw a piece of on a piece of paper that looks like gibberish, they say, Oh, this is a flower, it doesn't look anything like a flower. It doesn't look anything like a flower looks like a wasted Page
PAGE of paper that my little Zainab or my little Asya drew for me, but I love it.
I put it up on my fridge. And I say, Wow, look at the beautiful poster card that my little three year old did for me, and I am proud of it. I mean, this is a lot even more Beloved. Allah loves us even more than we love our children. And Allah azza wa jal is even more creative, and even more thankful, and we are even less in our giving to a lot. And this Daughter of mine, his little baby of mine, giving me this half baked picture. And so if I can accept it a lucky and accept my incomplete deed as well, that is what gives me hope. When the hope comes, that's when the action has come in. But just remember that the only way to fix a deed that's deficient, is to do more. And if you want
to just simply reflect on the deeds that you have done, you will find so much deficiencies so you yourself will be enough to judge that you need to do another.
Keep doing things basically keep going keep going. Just go ahead learned chef and chef. So can you just
tell us what your reflections are now, so you've had, I don't know how many years has mercy mission been?
In what 16 years or so now.
So now just thinking reflecting on the vision and also just thinking about the situation of the oma today right? I guess every generation of Muslims feels that their generation has some unique challenges, unique issues unique when we're living in a time when you know, there's no centralized Muslim leadership
that's quite unprecedented for any
Muslim history right?
When you reflect on that when you reflect on the situation of Muslims in the world
what do you think about that? And what do you think we should be thinking about that? What should our priorities be?
Look, I'm gonna say something very odd.
You're used to me saying different things right? So I think
Have you noticed by no Israel when musala plum did everything for them? Part of the Seas Allah was a part of the seed round their enemy miracle after miracle yet they said to moose Salaam is have Antara book of a villa in the Havana party. Do you go and your Lord fight we are going to stay in stay here this is how ungrateful to work with their friend. Allah was going to open up Palestine with their children. So Allah azza wa jal said them You shall be known you shall be known about a a leader that would come.
And what did he say? He said in Allah,
called Bertha la como loot Malika. Focus on the Tafseer of this verse in Surah. Baqarah said Allah azza wa jal has sent our loot as a key for you. And that's what we need.
We need autocratic leadership right now. I'm sorry, but that's what we need. The Muslim Ummah is far too rowdy. That too divided. They have too
immature, they are too selfish, too racist. They can't unite. They can never unite. You need a strong man
with a strong man. And that's why I encourage Muslim leaders to be strong.
Very strong. Democracy is great, right? But I had enough of it.
I know it sounds like what the hell are you saying? I said yes. We don't need Khalifa. We do not need a halifa which is collaborative leadership. Democratic leadership. Where are you going to ever have the Arabs listen to you mate. Where are you going to ever have the Indians listen to you? If a Pakistan is chosen as a philosopher? Where are you going to have the Malays? Listen to if a Indonesian is chosen as a Khalifa? And if Indonesia is chosen the Khalifa Do you think they are to listen?
What about the new Muslims that coming in the West enforce the 100 million perhaps new Muslims in the West? Are they going to listen? What about the old adage? Listen, if it's if a young one is chosen, they're not going to listen. So it's not going to work. You need a strong man and that's why my philosophy with all brothers and sisters out in our industry
To be strong
is to be strong. What do you mean by strong I mean dominate the power dominate, dominate your sphere of influence dominate your sphere of influence. You know when I saw that that was scepter is so divided people are doing one organization with another. It's a small reflection of whether whether Muslims are right. So I said the only way to unite is to dominate first. First dominate the sector and unite them all. So you want to launch schools, Islamic schools dominate the Islamic schools that then unite them all.
You can't just have one school and so Brandon should all work together we should be forming a unity of Islamic schools Good luck to you make, no one's gonna listen. And those that listen will come with their own ideas. Everyone has an idea on what the price of oil should be, who the Prime Minister should be, and how to educate our kids. They will never agree together on your philosophy of education. You want to win this after dominate the school agenda dominated. So you mean like, become a model, that you become a model. You set the rules, you set the agenda, you set the brand, you set the standard, and then and then you call for unity. Then you call for unity. It's called
domination of a brand domination of a sector. I know it sounds like what are you saying I said I'm telling you this is the only way to win in a crowded rowdy marketplace when nobody says do any more. I mean, who's going to listen I'm I'm one of the just a voice out of 50 other tribes out there.
So what I decided is I'm going to come in I'm going to choose one I'm gonna dominate so I chose 123 sectors and I've told them that the dominant legs are cut. I said to him I said as a CEO will dominate a cut dominate the socket gaming sector I want the cup agencies in every country worldwide and we wanted quickly wanted fast. And then after that, we're going to call for unity of the cut vision. So that's the car that we're going to revive the oma with it is more than enough money out there. Because the law says his stuff is much more much more. He says the need in the oma is equal to the need Allah has created in is equal to the supply that is that do from the own to fix it.
Unbelievable statement of your mama if we think strategically this unknowing Rahim Allah he said, he said that from the from the from the wisdom of Allah azza wa jal is that he is just and he has created for every single sickness a cure after the wisdom of Allah is that his other did not create more Mercy by trials and tribulations on the people of this earth except those that can fix it adequately. It's amazing, right? Amazing. Amazing, amazing. These are mind blowing. I wish people would read the books and not just look for the look for the wisdom of the man. That's why you know, I want the intelligent man going to Medina. I found that Muslim scholars are the most intelligent
people unbelievable, especially when it comes from across the Sharia. Unbelievable wisdom. Wow, wow.
You will be like you we all struggle be thinking next three days about the statement, you know. And so some Hanalei other thing, that's what gives you a strategy Fatima? Do you understand when you read statements like this, you ponder, Alright, guys, I want to cut I want to dominate that. So I'm trying to dominate I'm going to dominate a few, a few others of the charity sectors. I'm going to dominate a few of the education sectors, I'm going to dominate a few of the business sectors. And then I set the agenda set the standard and then a call to unity through that.
And that's why I used to tell my brothers mercy mission I said number one, or number two in everything we do.
Number one, or number two in anything we do.
Let me say it again, number one, or number two in anything we do. I got this from jack welch. When he launched GE, the best CEO that America has produced neutron jack is a mozzie type, I guess last year, what did he say? He wrote a book called winning, which is if you guys really want to understand how to win in business, you should read this book called winning, unbelievable book. So jack welch, it's the only book you have to ever read. If you want to read anything in business, it's the only book you need to read. You don't need to read anything else. Trust me. Just read this book called winning. That's it. Anyone who wants to be a business leader or even a dour leader in a
business scenario, or run the organization in a business context on top of his business context, just read this book called winning. One day I will write a book like it but for the dialogue on how to win in the power sector in shop. So in winning, he mentioned that his philosophy was number one, number two in everything we do.
What that meant was that we shut down any project that is not number one. Number two, who's the first one
who climbed Mount Everest?
Who was the first one who walked on the moon, who's the first one who went to space, we remember, but we don't remember the second one. Very difficult, very difficult to remember the second one in everything. So this is why dominate the step number one, number two, anything we do, this is what I said to my teams. And we live by that shut down any project that we have a one number two in,
and that has meant that we do love Chapa, better, stronger, we run really successful projects. That's not because we always do something successful, that's only because we shut down whatever, we're not something
that's going to happen in life, you're gonna do that all the time. You're gonna you're gonna have shares that you buy that are not well performing, sell those shares, keep only the good ones. cheap. Why did you Why did you choose a business model, if you like, right for your dow projects, as opposed to?
You know, when we were younger, we used to hear about the bleeding Jamaat and nice to hear about these, the old school kind of projects, and how they've been so successful through organic,
you know, growth, and just not a very sophisticated, you know, on paper, it doesn't look like a very sophisticated model or anything like that. How did you as a Medina, student, no business, no business background?
What did you see in business models? Because it seems like you've synthesized business models with our project?
Yes, correct. That's very important strategy is because business was the language of efficiency. People loved money. So they developed
a type of behaviors, a group of ideas, a way of working, a set of rules, a set of standards that they live by, that allowed them to preserve money.
And if for us, money is not the most important, but Islam is the most important that was the most important how people's lives we touch is the most important that why don't we use the same principles to preserve something else, which is Islam in us, which is that will preserve something else, which is a last name and the plan and the profit center. And that's all it is. We simply replace money with the good things.
But we use the same principles of efficiency that were developed in order to preserve those things that are valuable to people. That's all it is.
That's all it is. And I see that right now.
The new generation are all thinking in that way. In my generation, people were like, Man, this guy's to business.
You know, who figures all his business business business? No one says that anymore. It's normal now to have audits and have marketing strategies and to have brand new, normal, right? What's your branding strategy? They say? I mean, launching a new organization, they say, okay, what's your strategic document looking like? What's your I don't know, what's your risk analysis? Like, you know, we use these throw these words around a SWOT analysis, we say, where's your business plan? Like, you know, we'd be throwing them out in my time, when I was launching my first our organization 993, they called me a US dollar for dollar.
Well, you know, I said, perhaps, dollar for dollar, who knows. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it worked. Because my projects took off, while others failed. And hamdulillah we developed systems, robust systems that have allowed
And that's what that's what all the business books and all the business leadership teaches, right efficiency, good strategy. They do it to make money, but you can use the same principles to run any project. Correct, correct. And, you know, you know, everything is a science now for the month, for example, you know, breast cancer Foundation's become like a big movement. Now, Since when has breast cancer been so important compared to lung cancer, for example, or heart disease, but breast cancer, which is not the fourth or fifth cancer, it's now more important to people than other cancers that are less,
you know, less
public applicable to us. So I mean,
our other answers that are more applicable to us. So it's like, how did they create that? How did they create so much interest in breast cancer? It's because that they have understood movement theory. How do you take an idea and create it into a movement? It's in science, you need three things. You need an idea. That's very infectious, that's easy. You need to create zealous team members and you need a event.
event. That's what the blue does. It's very simple. Look at what the last three essential things in an idea simple ideas called, you know the five principles. simple idea, man, which you can have three principles of color, whatever you like. So it's the basic principles of the blue, which that's it can rattle them off from your hands. Everyone knows it's all easy, so simple. So you've got to have an idea that sticks. Okay. Make stick as a book you should read by Chip and Dan, he
sticks. Okay. So great. I fix that. So that's number one. Number two, you need to create zealous team members like hardcore. That's what Trump is doing. Very simple idea, is it? It's a false election, and they took it from us. It sticks in the mind of the right wing. Okay, it's fantastic idea that there is a deep state and that they're all out to get you and it just, it's perfect for anybody who doesn't have a job who is you know, a picker redneck. He sucks up that idea perfectly. So Trump is spot but to his credit, zealous team members very zealous, they will die hard for it. I mean, you saw that they were they were willing to, to go to the council, stop the parliament,
amazing rights and zealous team members that we're going to listen to the to their meal. And then finally, they had an event and events important. You could have an event the sixth of January was an event that unified them. It needed to stage a protest and go to the Capitol Hill, that was a date. And that's what the public do. So they've got an idea. They've got a zealous team members who is with us, they will shame you. If you don't join them. They will they will put pressure on you. They they will embarrass you if you don't go three days with them. Just three days, man. No, just three days stuff like that. So zealous team members that will badger you come knock on your door sellers
as hell. zealous as hell, okay. And the third thing is they have an event. And that event is a must. And yes, we're going for food for days. We're going for food. 40 days was coming with me. Where are you going on? We're gonna go to America, we're going to go to Bahamas, I don't know where we go. We just going. It's an event, then they have Wallisch demand, they have an event. You need an event. That's a Fatima that's all you need. I'm telling you create a movement. It's easy to do
Chef, I'm gonna ask you, just so that people don't get the wrong idea.
You didn't mean? or What did you mean, when you said, You know, I think you said like, Muslims need an iron Iron Fist? Is that what he said? Well, they need some they need to be dominated. Yeah, they need a strong man. Because look, I mean, you need a strong man. If you look at
when when people hear you say that, they might think, Well, are you saying that?
status and tyrants and should we just be patient with that? And?
Yeah, yeah, I don't mean that at all. I mean, I mean, a strong man who dominates like, for example, Bahati dominated the political scene in Malaysia, right? Yes, yes.
And kill people? Not that we know of. Okay. So a strong man. Like, like, the one is going strong. Yeah. Yeah. He's turning turning the country into a model. Right. But he stayed he. He defended himself from a cool, come on, you got to take that.
That was amazing. From our face, FaceTime, he's time. Thanks time the nation. He ignited a nation through FaceTime. Come on. He's a strong man. We need strong then you don't need weaklings. We don't want weak links. We need strong men. And and we want them to be the president that doesn't need to go through Parliament every single time and go to demand the democratic sittings every day. We want him to do that. We want a strong mat.
And that's what he needs. And that's why Turkey is great. Don't care that Oh, but you know what? Say What are you saying this for democracy? You know, we don't want that democracy right now. Because the people don't know who to choose. They don't have the values. They don't.
They don't know what Islam they don't know what Islam is. They don't know what to choose. I mean, look at what happened to Egypt. Right? Because, you know, with all due respect, we'll see.
The man was not strong enough. He just wasn't strong enough. For the Balaton Ferrara. He wasn't strong enough for that country. It was a country was so divided. They were so divided by them. Yeah, I don't think a foreign interference for the country of Pharaohs man This was a country that has a history of Pharaohs in there.
So he's got to understand that Allah Xhosa has put a test in Egypt, where you have to be strong. If you're not going to be strong, you're not going to win. You got to be strong. And he did not. He did not plan for that. What do you think everyone would have done? Had he been appointed as the Emir in Egypt? He would have been, I mean, look at how the one went, and he dismantled the Gulen Movement, systematically dismantling the movement.
You got to be strong man, you've got to in Allah. Allah luta, Malika Malik and that's why people say, oh, kingship is not from Islam. Is it the prophet of God actually appointed a king? Can't you see that came from Allah, Allah is appointed as a king over you. Why? Because kingship was appropriate at that time. At the time of the Prophet Silla, he didn't need a kingship. Why? Because the Sahaba were so pious and righteous, they could appoint the best of them. But when you cut the best of them, then unfortunately, unfortunately, to put it in the hands of people who aren't those type, what do you think they would have appointed? Imagine?
What another who mulk.
Color column you see a terminal man? That's the first thing when we try and said to them, what do you say? They said, How can you have dominion and kingship over us? Well, he has not been given enough wealth. So the first thing that he would have done, had it been democracy is they would have chosen was the billionaire amongst us. He should be the lever.
That's what that's why look what happened. This was Trump because he was a billionaire
and destroyed America. And that's exactly exactly what's going to happen if we say okay, people who do you choose? Come on, man. You don't you don't do that. You don't do that. So we are Lazard will choose for us a strong man. I'll give that too strong and righteous right? Strong and righteous Of course. Righteous Of course. that goes with that. That's the name of the game, right? That's the name of the game. Integrity. And righteousness is the name of the game but has to be strong and that's why that's why toughen you children up guys. toughen you children, stop babying them into bears and tigers out of them. You know, you kill them with love. toughen them up.
toughen them up. I made my children launch their own business. 14. haven't given them money for the last three years. Not because I don't have money. I say work. Go and work while you study. Learn the pain of getting up at 3am in the morning and working from 4am learn the pain work now.
make them work hard. Make your children into tough men and women don't make them into polar bears and tigers. Nonsense. Every summer comes you buy them summer clothes, winter come to buy the winter clothes. You put them a feature wall on their walls, you make them into a feminist creatures stop doing that toughen them up.
And that's what we really need to do we need strong men and women.
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when I've been studying Islamic law University, and one of the things that we've been studying is what changed during the colonialist period, you know, during the period when Muslim lands became nation states, and one of the key things that really stands out is that the independence of the law and the legal system was compromised. And hence Western legal systems came in because the OLC off were taken over. You know, and prior to that they will allow the universities or Methodists do. In other words, the the system that was producing great scholarship and leadership
was compromised because now it could not find itself.
What do you see as the role of a cough in this revival?
I I don't I don't agree at all. Fatima, you know, you know, has a very different way of thinking right? I think it's a bloody waste of money.
What is complete? What?
What is a waste of money? At the moment? I don't encourage people to build a cough. I do not. I highly discourage it. A highly, highly, highly discouraged. I keep I think very different from everyone else. Fatima. My first workfit mercy mission and we're 1616 years old. 15 years old. Everyone tells me where's your chair?
Where's your strategy? I said my strategies is no one
strategy I said no but she had a word I mean come on man you gotta you know building people now 10,000 people working with you in mercy mission Come on there's got to be strategy what happens if you die? What happens if some of us don't worry make? Don't worry. And I'll tell you what I have noticed about people who do listen to not listen to me Fatima This is what I've noticed. I've noticed people build up the first thing they do is they build hotels, hotels give them 889 percent now with Airbnb it gives them 4% 5% If anything, then comes Corona gives them minus, right I'm scrolling I give them minus 4% 5% for Pacific you know hotel costs $100 million 100 million dollars
to launch a simple three star four star hotel 100 million dollars Imagine if 100 million dollars was given to the oma cash to launch projects right now.
Right now, you got to understand cash has a value and credit has a value the problem with our office they're all credit it to the credit of the oma that will give 6% 5% 10% 8% over time.
We don't want money over time we want the cash now. We want to spend it now the hygiene of the oma is so severe right now spend it now.
So I told my brothers do not focus on wealth. And they were like no focus on love. Every single dollar we raise we spend it immediately we spend it now as the chair What about the mostakbal? I said Do not worry. We have a lord who has everything.
Everything and is looking at us right now and he's saying ask and I'm going to give it
asked me and I'll give it so then what was the Why did the Why did the Muslims invest so much in of course.
Because at the end of the day they've already established they have nations right so you're saying not now Not right now? Not right now there's no fee for that was at that time they were doing it or they had organizations in excess money excess money, excess money, excess wealth, right? How many projects needed more money the projects are 7070 excellent. We are very different situation. We are dying as an oma we have 600 million Muslims out of what 1.7 billion Muslims at the moment 600 million Muslims are chronically hungry What are you talking about? What format Where's your head? Where are you thinking we are at look at the need we need cash now. So no no what? No What? Oh, we
focus on cash at the money to the people now. What will happen? What will happen trust me what will happen we use it is almost as though you're saying we are advocating we follow the exact in the footsteps of the way the prophets Allah Sallam set things up after looking at
the only thing rather than looking at what the oma ended up being like or how it was a golden age and whatever you're saying think think of Medina at the beginning think think of the beginning exactly and think when there was no halifa think when the Prophet system was not even there in Medina think when the Prophet just came into Medina to establish everything from ground up what was the what was the what was the profit some there wasn't anyone The only thing was a machine
that was it every single thing the Profit System gave he gave it away immediately. He didn't set up the money and then he said okay, save it etc and then let's build a workflow let's build a business producing What fun what where was the idea for what where did it come from the very if one talk about what we know that believe that we use the devil for what or why we use obscure Hadith I'm telling you
you know just look up Fatima do me Do me a do this for me after this talk. And look up what is the evidence of work in Islam? You will find very little and then you'll see the o clock
way he was set up I gave it away I mean, it was a well what could you do with a well except that they call it a watch? Because it was it was a physical asset that was given away as a physical asset was given away? Isn't that what you did actually just buy a weapon in order to get when people talk about what's now what do they mean? They mean business what
they mean business what where do you actually take money? They don't mean like for example, Masjid much is the word right there on top of what they mean by what they mean a business asset, income producing asset, right? an income producing asset like a hotel. That's what I'm against.
What I'm saying is don't focus
income producing assets right now focus on cash money to the oma. And soon very soon at a time will come when we will lead our class in shall Why is the purpose people who are passing away they should leave their their homes as not leaving for their kids leave, leave a lot to the children live a love for the children don't leave anything behind except nothing. And even if you can push the rock right now you can actually say, Well, I love this house that I'm living in, is for you. Except for the duration of me being alive on this earth. That's it. So that's a short film. That means that the day you die becomes a lot.
And until then you have a condition to be able to live in, or me and my wife for example. So even if you die earlier before your wife, it's only up to your wife dies that the house that becomes a work. So make that chart so that hamdulillah on the day that you die, your houses become a workflow have to realize that the day you die with Allah subhanho wa Taala
and so what is the purpose of your building that you're building?
The purpose of that what the the other buildings are?
So my purpose, okay, so my purpose of tea was, eyes, you know, I think different, right?
I am different because I think different. And one of the things I said to myself is, the Muslim Ummah is far too immature, they don't understand how to build work in this dunya and how to accelerate progress. So I said, the way to accelerate progress is to look after the people who do the work up to do the work itself. But to look after the people who do the work, who then will end up doing the work, see if I can build more factors. And if I can measure the Fatima doesn't worry about the dounia because she has a house that she can leave for her children that are not having to pay rent, that she has an income that she can live on. Then she'll be liberated, this lady can look
after her basic financial needs, any human being has house a little bit of rent, a little bit of food, a little bit of income salary each month, that should be liberated, if I can then infuse in her the desire to work for the vision of the final messenger that she is unstoppable. She will take the million people's lives. And all I've spent in order to achieve that is just a house for Fatima a little bit of income for her, which would cost me let's say 5 million over the lifetime of Fatima. But I would have got gotten 500 million benefit for the oma Mohammed Salim energizing Fatima. So I said, Okay, how am I going to do that? So I said, Okay, I'm going to build a big business, for
looking after the people of Islam, people of that work for Islam. That's what I started. So my hospital projects, my business projects, they are all going to go in sha Allah to support the people who work for Islam, I have forbidden, my family and anyone else for taking $1. And I've told them all No one is allowed even $1 you get good education. You get a little bit of money as a loan from if you want to launch a business, you get a value to a nice man or a nice woman inshallah. And then after that a big kick in the backside, get out of my house, go make some money, go and build your own life.
And so from there, they know that they don't get nothing from this. Nothing. And this money cannot be used to build mustards. This money cannot be used to build orphanages not allowed. It's actually explicitly stated you're not allowed. Even if there's access. You're only allowed to help a help with this money. Someone was helping Islam.
So isn't that
in one in one form? It is of the in one form it is, but it's cash, you see, and it's being spent every day? It's not being left behind so that he can just grow reinvested. Does that make sense? All the promises that are sent out Yeah. But my purpose is is to help people like you that if I can liberate Fatima from being worried about the dunya because despite everything you know, shaytan does come to your ears and whisper say Abdullah, Abdullah Fatima Zina. You know whisper the name of your children and use the Father's love mother's love to to make you weak. And we can you can stop that whispering of the shaytan in the ears of good people that
we don't need that many people 1000 good people working for Islam, Masha, Allah will conquer will take over, we will revive.
That's what I feel Allah knows best. That's just a hunch I have. And that's what the prophets have to do. He didn't look after the Sahaba because they were his goal. He looked at the Sahaba because the oma was his goal. And he was raising the leaders who wouldn't cut the mustard. He was ready
Using the leaders who would look after his oma
disciple and chef,
can you leave us with the advice you said chef Jaffer gave you? There was this phrase that you use and I wonder how it can benefit us.
It's very appropriate hamdulillah sakala here you know after he finished Medina and I went to Juma conference was one of the first conferences
I think I remember meeting you and your husband there as well by the way Fatima and
and I mentioned Java have it all out there this is when he was healthy. Mashallah, and let's
shuffle Idris Idris to cover up the libraries here. Chef Java is one of the most amazing people Mashallah, such a wise man. Such a chef, respectfully, you know, I graduated from Medina, this is my story.
What advice do you have for me and I was expecting, you know, like,
you know, huge like, you know,
I have a vision, you know, so some sort of big visionary talk and all that. And he said, though, fake, he said, Just be yourself.
anticlimactic said Just be yourself.
Just be yourself. He told me two things, though, the first thing he told me was just be yourself.
I'm like, What? So yeah, just be yourself. And then I'll do it. And he patted my back, and he left. And then I realized what he really meant.
He said, If I am this myself, then I am not trying to be fake.
And most of the people listening to this talk, are going to lose because they will become fake. Like, yes, patottie they'll want to be like Muhammad Sharif, they'll be want to be like trophy. chaudry. They want to be like Fatima Baraka, they want to be like someone that they know, because the easiest way to succeed is to follow somebody that has succeeded. That's fine, no problem. But do what we did. Don't be like me, like, Don't talk like me, don't dress like he don't look like me. And that's what annoys me about these copycats of us that the doctor for example, India, they look like him. They talk like him, they speak like him. So then that's why people don't follow them. Because
then they look at them. They say, Oh, that's another socket.
No, you want to be unique. You want to be authentic is the word. Yeah, be your own. Your own person you want to be authentic. And that's why the Prophet says Allah when he was in Makkah he combed his hair to the right because the correct comb the hair to the left. When he was in Medina, he committed to the to the left because the Jews come to the right. I think he changed it because he wanted to be unique. Like what an amazing thing. We should realize that Jews left their beard and they also left their mustache, he said the ruffles and left his beard and trimmed his mustache. It was always different. always different. Yeah. I mean, you see that and had okay. The people who used to go for
Hajj they stayed Metallica all the way until the sun has risen. The problems we wanted to be different. At the left was delita before the sun had risen, you know, he did everything before it.
He'll did everything before he believed the good. Oh, just because the kafar used to come to Mr. Oliver will also leave Muslim before No, no, he didn't do that. The good we should do but just do it differently.
do differently. So that's what I suggest you all do. I suggest you all be yourselves, speak the way you are, talk the way you are, look, the way you are dressed the way you are. As long as righteous within the principles of Islam.
But be yourselves. And then you become authentic, you become infectious, you'll become very, very, very juicy, and everyone will follow you because they know that what you're offering is unique.
That's the first thing he told me helped me so much. Because you know what? I stopped trying to be like anyone else. I stopped trying to recycle. Unlike today's I started reciting code. I'm just like me, Oh, you don't like it tough. That's it. Like that's the best I can do. I don't have to excel in everything. I don't have to excel reciting the Quran, and then also telling somebody else No, I just excel in one thing. And that's enough for people to follow me. Number two, the second thing I asked him, I remember when I have a problem with a class, because I keep thinking that
I'm a liar, like my class is not true. That's not possible. And so as a result, it tends to affect my action. It makes me hesitate. So I'll shift often.
When I think about doing something for Allah, I know it's not for Allah knows of Allah because because it might be because of this issue or that issue. Because ambition. So I mean, I'm pretty sure mercy mission is not for Allah because it must be for ambition, because that's what one of the brothers who hated me said one day that you know, you're only doing this for your ambition. That's why you're going to UK that's why you're going to to all these countries because you have an ambition. You're not doing it for Allah. That's it.
If it really plays on my mind, and sometimes I feel like not doing it because I'm afraid that it is not for Allah then it will become on my left side of the scale rather than the right side of the scale. So, so he said something which was so beautiful, he said, you know, the parts of a believer, they're like, uh, well, the digger you deep, the water gets murkier. So don't dig too deep. Just take the water from the top, drink it
under the laughs, and then he moved away. He has a habit of doing that. He tells you these profound statements that just lets you interpret it how you want to interpret it. He leaves
Yeah, he just thinking about what you're just thinking about it means.
So I remember when he said that to me, I Subhanallah that's it. That's how the Sahaba * this is Allah. That's what we have the conviction to say it. And look at the people, the three that was stuck in the cave or alive, I did this for your sake, remove us. They have the conviction to say it.
They have the conviction to make the law.
say Oh Allah, if I, you know, kept standing that night waiting for my parents to wake up. But did it for your sake, then remove that. And then Oh Allah, if I did this, if I was afraid, didn't sleep with my cousin, because of fear of you or Allah remove that, you know what I mean? So he, they have the conviction. So we should have conviction in what we say in Adora. What did he mean by that analogy?
without mentioning by the apparent feeling in your heart, what he meant was current feeling in your heart, trust your first judgment. If you're doing it for Allah, you know that this is only to be done for Allah, you're waking up at the edge of that night. Seeing that don't think don't keep digging. Don't overanalyze. Don't overthink. Don't overthink. speller. This is what I love. That's it move on. Enough. Right? Yes, yeah. Yeah, analyze your actions, but don't over don't don't over analyze your heart and your feelings of your heart.
Your emotions doesn't make sense because it gets really murky and dirty as the more you dig
out your actions, your your feeling of your heart but overanalyze your actions and Sharma because that will make you sharper and better.
Well, I think that's a good place for us to end the discussion shares, I think that's something very thought provoking for our listeners to leave with. I just want to say just, I cannot guarantee you and thank you for the projects that you have set up because they have affected and you know, touched my life and the lives of so many brothers and sisters. Would you like to leave us? First of all, would you like to tell us why you left the West? And secondly, could you leave us with some a message for the especially for the Muslims in the West?
Okay, I left the West because I felt I was not able to defend Islam when Islam was being perceived when Allah was being dishonored, when our Prophet says Salah was being mocked at I felt like
because I left the West when Andrew Bolton was writing, when the cartoons were coming out, I felt helpless, that I wasn't defending my profit systems honor. And I felt that you know, that I am not being enough. So either, as the Hadith says that, as the I Am the onset, would you see people mocking last words
for home loans, and then go away from them? So I said, Okay, I have to run out. And that's when I said, Okay, I'm going to leave Australia. And I'm going to go and live in a country where my profit is not being mocked. And my Dean is not mocked. Because I couldn't take that I couldn't take my beam be mocked at had to do something about it. I'm not the type that aren't using debates on media.
I'm not that eloquent.
And I have to think, before I speak, and some people are just more shallow that they get to the gap. I don't have the gift of the gab, I really have to think about my words.
And I stuffed up and I goof up and I didn't want to hurt his thumb by goofing up in an interview and saying something which would hurt me. Even though I was highly encouraged, you know, they would always tell me to go into debates and etc. But I said no, I didn't want to do that. So I thought, you know, what, if I can't help Islam, I shouldn't be there when people are mocking stuff. That's why I left at some one. But two, I needed a base where I could raise my team where we could all come together. Malaysia seemed like a good opportunity and hamdulillah
we did it hamdulillah one of the things I realized is and you buy something guys, and this is a strategy talk, okay, and I think Fatima
One day, I want to I want to tell you about, you know, you should do a session with this strategy that was strategy, strategy strategy strategy.
And one of the things that you do when you buy properties, you don't buy it in the heart of London's too expensive. Nor do you buy it,
you know, 1000 kilometers away from London because the growth in the asset is not going to be fast enough. The capital appreciation is not going to be as fast as it will be. If it's closer to London, I'm just giving London as an example. Okay? Not my example may not be the best example. But I think you asked what I'm practicing don't buy in Tier One cities. And you don't buy in tier three cities. Here one being the best and tier three being slow growth cities you want to buy in tier two cities. tier two why because you don't want to buy in London, Hart. Mayfair, you want to buy in just on the outer suburbs of London, those that benefit from the growth spurt in London and the capital
appreciation in London. But the entry entry into that market is cheap enough. Like there's a there's a suburb that crash if you live in what's called Redford Redbridge. I've forgotten now anyways, just on the outskirts of London.
yeah, and he bought a house there. And the appreciation from the purchase price from there compared to the purchase price from East London, to the appreciation within four years compared to what he achieved in appreciation was a foster appreciation. And that showed that you can achieve just by association closeness to London in a tier two area of faster growth in terms of acceleration of your capital than if you were in the heart of London. And that's what I said to all my brothers. I said, Guys, we're not going to go to tier one countries, which is Australia, America, Canada and do all our big projects there because too hard to do schools, they're too hard to launch a hospital. Can
you imagine me launching a hospital in America? Can you imagine me launching in Australia is so hard barrier to entry is so hard. And then what about in Bangladesh? That's a tier three country Why would I launch a hospital they I can't achieve quality I can't achieve good enough health care as a model because I'm launching my first one remember, I'm sandboxing my idea I need to launch it in a way where then I can replicate. So they would launch a what appears to confer key is an example. Malaysia another example now Indonesia is an up and coming tier two country perfect. Because the entry barrier to entry is easy. I mean a barrier to entry. Imagine me buying a starting a university
Fatima in. In Malaysia, I only have to put 20 million ringgit into into a trust account with the with the government get a license for a university 20 million ringgit only? What is that? That's about 4 million pounds only for me but come to Australia, you have to put $50 million into the government's bank accounts on a fixed deposit then and only then after huge amount of research and a and a you know, an asset worth 100 million. Can you get the license for launching a university? Why would I want to launch Islamic University in Australia? I would rather launch it in Malaysia will only cost me 4 million pounds.
Does that make sense? And so that's why I said I'm going to come to Malaysia. It's a tier two country, I can launch my projects, schools, universities,
my TV channels, my hospitals, I can launch a tier two country my barrier to entry is easy. There is no competition plus I was brought brought up in the West. So therefore my D is already very, very new to the tier two country already dominate this. Remember, I want to dominate. I don't want to enter any sector unless I dominate because I want to tip the agenda. So that is why I came to Malaysia it was very easy for me and that's why I'll come to the lab we got to dominate anything's since I can check. Do you have any advice for Muslims in the West any last parting advice? Yes.
Last parting advice I have for my brothers and my sisters is is two things.
A life without purposes without is not worth living.
If you don't know your purpose, you should figure out your purpose. And you should spend a good time trying to figure out why Allah azza wa jal created you in the 21st century in this body, there's a purpose
a loved one something from you, because it out.
And if you don't know your purpose, then it's a shame. You know everything has a purpose. You have a purpose to depending upon the purpose. The glass in your eyes have a purpose. You have a purpose to figure it out. That's my first advice. The sooner you do that, the better for you because everything will fall into place. You will be unstoppable. You will go at a phenomenal pace. If you live your purpose. It's number one, number two. The second advice I have
For you all is to free yourself, liberate yourself freedom
and freedom from the clutches of the West. And the West we are in the rat race, even if you're in the rat race, you're still a rat. And so that was happening to you. The rat race is going to consume you trying to pay the rent, buy a house is going to consume you. This is the time of the new rich, this is the time of those few people who believe in the verse in the Quran, Allah Allah says in the law, he was young. He is a balloon or a buddy my sleeves. My Earth is why so only worship Me, meaning. This is the title of the new rich. And Tim Ferriss says in his book, The Four Hour Workweek, that this is the time of the multimillionaires, those who are not millionaires, but live
the life of millionaires. How do they do that? Well, they make an income from the west, but they live in the east.
Okay, and they, and this and if anything, Corona crisis has taught us,
this is the time. And you can actually therefore, make more money by doing this, freeing up more time for you so that you can spend Islam.
So you can spend it for Islam. And remember, travel is so easy. Travel is so easy, you can easily travel. So you're from UK, you don't have to live in UK, you can live somewhere cheaper. You can live somewhere cheaper, but work in a job from UK get that income so therefore you can earn your yearly need within three months or six months. And that's what Zach and Mike taught me. I spoke to Zach and I says that goodbye. How do you work for the sake of Islam? Is that your brother? Somebody who gives you money? You know, I asked all the all the down and dirty questions. I said, Man, you have money. Where's your money? How the hell do you live? How do you survive? He said, Look?
Yes, my my parents helped me Of course, yes, my brothers helped me Of course, I don't take any money for that from the Dow, I don't take a salary. But what I do is I set a rule in my life, what is that rule rule is that I have 12 months in a year, 11 months is for Islam. And one month is for me to earn enough money to live the 11 months. So I set an agenda for myself, I have to earn enough money from 11 months. So it is enough for me to live the rest of the 11 months not working
by myself a consultant, a media consultant. So he actually did media consultancy for companies and other organizations. And as a result, he became very, very deep in the topic of media, which made it pay him whatever money he asked for in one month, that gave him that that's what I did as well. I said to Allah guide me to a job, where I can only work a very small time, that's enough for me to work the rest of the year off. And that's what I did in Australia, Australia, emergency physician, senior emergency physician, I was able to earn 60,000 100,000 in just a month by localizing and a local in the right time. I would say okay, you know that the end of the year, which is a Christmas
break, all the doctors take off, there's no workforce available. So they'll pay ridiculous money for emergency specialists to work into the hospital. So I so I'll try to ridiculous practice for those two weeks. And then also anytime when there is a deep demand, usually in September deep demand. So it's September work two weeks, and in the end of the year, two weeks. And that's it. That's my whatever money I need. Because I live in the in the east, I pay taxes in the east, I don't pay in taxes in the West. And that's it. I mean, the leverage, you mean leverage your skills, your time, everything, everything of that. That's what allows me to do that. Because I remember when I was in
Australia, I had to work 10 months, and only got two months of Islam. I said I thought that my life is destroyed. If that is the case, I have to work only two months for Islam.
And that's what I suggest you all do that for freedom. And you're not really see at the moment in UK, or in the West. Most of those are the ones who are hearing, I'm sure you must be really feeling that you're all shackled. You guys are all shackled to to something, you're a slave to your job or to someone else's business. You've got to unshackle yourself and this Raise your hands to alert to alert me to something that I can do what I don't need to fully be here. And in order to do that you do two things. Number one is you got to decrease the amount of money you need to live.
And number two is you've got to increase the amount of money you earn in the shortest possible time.
So two challenges when you give these two things that hamdulillah you can liberate yourself. That's what I did from the law law law guided me to it. And whoever Allah was before Allah gives him a way out in the la de la rufina la the unknown super La la la la la la.
And inshallah with that I'm going to finish
May Allah bless your family chef, Allah bless your
May Allah bless your time and you said you missed out on the years of your children's, you know the early years inshallah I hope that Allah gives you grandchildren who you will
regain those years from
Shall I shall I?
Salam aleikum che cibola Thank you everyone, Santa Monica.
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