IlmFeed Podcast with Dr. Haifaa Younis
Channel: Fatima Barkatulla
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Turning Back to Allah, Memorising the Qur’an, Purifying Our Hearts. In this episode, Ustadha Fatima Barkatulla talks with the inspirational Dr. Haifaa Younis about how it’s never too late to start memorising the Qur’an, making time to learn about Islam, lessons from Surah Maryam, how to purify our hearts and much more!
Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim al hamdu Lillah wa salatu salam ala rasulillah dear brothers and sisters Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. And welcome to infeed podcast. I just want to take a moment to thank you all for helping m feed go from strength to strength. I know we have listeners and viewers from all across the world. We have brothers and sisters in Malaysia, in Australia and Canada and India, Pakistan, all also the United States. And I just want to acknowledge all of you and say thank you very much for helping us go from strength strength. Today, I've got a wonderful guest all the way from the United States, Dr. heifer Yunus. She is an American Board Certified
obstetrician and gynecologist of Iraqi heritage. She studied with scholars in the United States and graduated from the mcca Institute of Islamic Studies in Jeddah and also memorize the Quran Masha Allah at alhuda Quran memorization school in Geneva as well. She is the founder and chairman of Jana Institute and currently teaches seminars and runs retreats, including seminars on the commentary of the Quran, and the practical relevance of the Quran in our everyday lives. So, Dr. Haifa salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato. On a
record Oh, well, so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. handler How does it feel to be in London? It's always good. Is this your first time? No. Oh, no. Okay, I actually lived in London, really? In the 90s. Okay, and I did part of my ob gyn gynecology training in London itself did a year at guy's hospital. Wow. And then did my degree and then six months move to Kent Maidstone beautiful place all green. And then the time came in to move to the states for family reasons. And then I moved then I kept coming back for visits and the last two years I think this is my fourth visit
to London. So eautiful to be British, basically. Your you know, I give you an honorary British person and people always ask me Where do you see yourself? You see yourself as Iraqi since this your heritage? Do you see yourself as American? Where do you live? Do you see yourself as British you live there? Do you see yourself as Arab Saudi lived in Jeddah? My always answer is I'm a servant of Allah, whatever part of the earth he put me on the air hamdulillah an international citizen. Mashallah. So Doctor, tell us like,
tell us a bit about your background. I'm so excited, really. Because when I read about, you know, some of the things that you've Mashallah been able to go on and achieve. I just thought so Pamela, it will be so inspiring for people to hear, you know, where did this all start? Where did what is your background in terms of your childhood and
grew up, as you said, I grew up in Baghdad, actually. And I grew up in a family, which education was the prime importance. And it didn't matter if you're a girl or a boy, it was, this is the main thing. And I remember very well, my mom, God bless her soul used to say, even if you don't want to work, even if you're not planning to work, just take it. And it's capita in us. And then I was second from the last in my families, and then all my older siblings, that's what they want. And
other than education also grew up in a family, I wouldn't say very religious, but it was very moral.
Which is really important these days, because it is what we are seeing these days is lack of morality, plus lack of practicing religion. So morality was extremely important. Focus on education. And then
I didn't feel because I'm a woman, I'm a different in that time. And my mom was very educated. And she worked. And she was also an amazing mother. So I grew up with that example, of a woman can be a mother, educated, you can work but she always made her home house and children number one priority. And I remember she was very social, very well known a lot of friends. But when the time for exams comes in that month, you know, it's when you're young. I always tell my friends these days, it's things you do way more than the things you say, that affect your children. And I remember this very well, since I was very young is that month of the year before the finals, mom does not leave the
house at all. And all her friends says Nope, the children has their exams they need me. And she did not teach us. I mean, we studied but it just her presence.
Huh, yeah, so it's really this was really important that I went to medical school.
Simply she wanted me to be a physician, and then I fall in love with it after the first year. And then things changed many things. Number one, she passed away and I was young. And then the all the wars that happened. And then last pantalla decided that we will leave the country. So I left that's where I came to the to England. Live this the 90s. That's in the 90s. Yes. So came to England stayed for about a year and a half, as I told you in the beginning, trained ob gyn here. And it was very interesting, actually, it really helped me in many ways, not only as a physician, but also as
a person who discovered that I love this Deen. And this isn't this is like a turning point. It was just before I moved to the to England during the war. And every time I say this now when I speak to people, and I say, How do you feel? If you have a friend who calls you only when she needs you?
How do you feel?
taken advantage? Exactly. Right. She She only remembers me when she wants me. So this is how I felt because before the war, we were living in a very good life. I'm talking about good life, not very luxurious, but it's a good life. And we had everything, right, as children hamdulillah. But I don't think we felt it. And we were not very connected with him. You know. So when the war comes in, you know how it is when you are in need, you turn to him, you start looking at your salon became perfect. And you start reading the Koran, you start thinking of doing this and this. So this was a time for me to reflect. It was like so you only remember him when you need him. And then when I
moved to England also was a tough change. Because I came alone, left the family because of the other issues. And then I that was another time was like see you're alone, now you need him. And from there. And then when I went to the States, things changed, because now back with my family, but then you start feeling that he's there for you. Whether you you turn to him or not is there. Absolutely. And then what he wants from me more than anything else, and he with a capital H is there when I don't need him. Because that's what I call the love relationship. When you love a lost hometown is you remember him not because you need him, because you love him. So this was I will say this is the
turning point. And the same time just before the war when my mom was got sick, and then she passed away. That's another turning point. But the bigger one was the was the war and everything we lived, when you don't know if you're gonna wake up in the morning alive, we all know we will die. But when it becomes very close reality, and you wake up and you see Oh, there's a bomb, this could come My house is next. So it's it's amazing. I am so grateful.
At the moment, it was very tough. But I'm so grateful because it's one of the things that shapes human being is when he or she goes through tests and difficulty. And then you discover yourself also, you know that you are you have a lot of other potentials. You really love a lie, you really want to get close to him. So hamdulillah I'm so grateful to everything Allah He gave me. So these tests like, you know, the one that you mentioned, they often are things that awaken us, don't they? I was just thinking that unlike a friend who might be less forgiving, a loss of Allah to Allah. He's happy when we turn to. So if you're out there feeling that, you know, I've been neglectful, I
haven't really been fulfilling my role towards Allah, my my, you know, giving Allah His right or in worship, etc. Although we can never give a lies right in worship.
That should never be a cause for you to not turn to him. Right?
Absolutely. I mean, the most hopeful area in the Quran. That's what the scholars teaches us. It's a sort of polyakova dlns rafo other unforeseen latok nakoma. Mattila and it's amazing. I mean, we can talk about this for hours. But the beauty of it is the way he subpoena
talked, or or acknowledged those who are sinners. is the word Yeah. A buddy. My servant. It's a personal right. He didn't say yeah, you know, you're living at home and or people or your team feed or your center. He says, Yeah, buddy. And I was like, my Prop, my personal, my private, you know, and then he described them, I lilina software and forcing him they have transgressed.
What is transgression me you did what you did, right? And then immediately says, lots of not only Mattila don't disappear. So absolutely anyone and this is
I always tell everyone who asked me is like, it doesn't matter what you did. Yeah, doesn't matter what you did, as long as you're alive. As long as there's a breath in you, as long as you turn to Him sincere, don't worry, even shook. I mean, people who didn't believe in Him, once they say that, you know, law or did the Ross Wallace auto Santos, Al islamiya demo macabre, Islam remove everything before everything. So 100 rely on this is a beautiful I always say this is a beautiful religion. I think we as Muslims, number one, and I will say even humanity, it's like you have a really expensive piece of diamond, you know, is like really worthy. But you don't know the value of it. You look at
and you think it's a crystal?
Yeah, and this is how we need to look at it in the beauty in depth and discover way more than the shell. We all know. There's way more insight.
Definitely. So anyone who, you know, he's he's feeling down he's feeling like they've done too many sins. Never ever, ever feel that Allah Subhana Allah door is closed. He's just waiting for you to turn back. And it's a beautiful, seeing that it's if human beings being asked more than once or twice or thrice, they get upset. Yeah, right. Somebody calls you come and pick me up and you say okay, sure. Second time, I was like, okay, third time in your sales like there's nobody else right? We all do that you even when the children do this a lot. pantalla is the other way around. serpin If you don't or I don't if we don't ask him. He gets upset. So panda so absolutely anyone far away
never prayed did whatever app so just turn to him. Pure full. And he will be as again the Hadees teaches us if I come one step you'll be walking if I am walking he will be running he just just one the me and you to initiate it just don't emphasize your law. I really want to go back to
So looked out for what which which area of America are you from? I live in St. Louis, Missouri. We call it a Midwest. Okay, there's east west and there is Midwest, Chicago, which many people are very familiar with? Yeah, we are about four hours drive south of Chicago, Midwest in the middle.
I'm not very familiar with America, except I used to live with some American students in Egypt. So they filled me in on all the right nuances. But inshallah I do hope to visit one time one day and a half two inshallah. inshallah you have a house already there. Yeah.
That's the beauty, isn't it? Exactly. Like sometimes when, when I'm giving a talk about sisterhood, or I always say to sisters, you know what, we are the only people I believe this, I can definitely say this, I could go anywhere on earth. And if I can find the Muslim there, I have a home yet somewhere to stay food.
Somebody who treat me like family. And I've actually experienced that, you know, wherever I've, I've traveled and
SubhanAllah. You know, it's, like you said, there's things that we take for granted. Yes, that we think are normal is sometimes when somebody embraces Islam, they say to you, do you? Do you know how amazing that is? You know, you didn't realize that something that you're taking you think is normal. But for us, it's amazing, you know. And so I've often heard sisters say, you know, when they embrace Islam, that sisterhood was something that they never experienced until they became Muslim. Because they felt that they were always competing with other women. There was always this, you know, comparison and competition and
and when all of that is stripped away, and as women were allowed to just love each other for the sake of Allah to do things without needing anything in return. Exactly. I think that there's something so beautiful in that that we have put it beautifully is to conditions. You do it for Allah and with no expectation from anyone. You will love it. You'll feel peace, and then everybody will benefit from it. It's beautiful. I agree with and brotherhood also, of course. I mean, it's both genders. Yeah. Brothers with brothers sisters with sisters. Definitely.
So tell us a little bit especially about your Quran memorization journey. Because
I'll tell you that
I used to memorize the grant. I began I used to, it's not a good study. No, it's not. Like I'm sorry, I'm being very open here. I was memorizing the Quran. And I would say until I had my first child, okay. Now this becomes less. Yeah. And then, probably when I had my second child, you
No, I kind of lost the momentum of. So I managed to memorize quite a lot. But
then I started focusing on them memorizing grant. So Alhamdulillah my two sons are half of grant to Baraka and to others who are learning.
But at the back of my mind that have this thing. Come on, you've got to get back on it. So come on. Yeah.
I think you're gonna be the one I think this is gonna get me back on. So there must be people out there listening and thinking, Well, I'm an adult now. You know, I think you memorize as another adult app. So yeah.
They might be thinking, Well, I'm past it, you know, there's no, there's no way I'm gonna memorize now, you know, I should have done it when I was younger. And what would you say to that such a person? Number one, what you shared with me? It's almost almost daily. I hear hear that. And I heard the same story yesterday, here in London. And absolutely wherever I go, this is what I will say. What memorization of the Quran is not related to age, or gender.
It's it needs one thing to start with. Number one, which is accurate is an ayah. In the Quran, I quoted a lot to myself and to the sisters. So sortedlist surah. Allah subhanaw taala said, Men are either zero or Salah hassayampa wahama min formula. conocido mush, Cora whomsoever want the Hereafter, or SHA, Allah hassayampa. The word sir, worked hard, say, working hard law, you worked for it for the woman. In the eye, of course, you are a believer. But we'll let it kind of say you homeschool, those who fulfill these three criteria they want worked hard, they are believer, this, their effort will be rewarded, or Allah will be grateful for their reward. So what will they get?
Allah knows. Now bring this in here. And I say this for dunya matters. And for our hieromartyrs let alone Quran or unshorn. You need number one. You wanted?
You wanted? You wanted your children to memorize? What did you do? Salah hasakah, and how much the salary was? Bring us seven and eight year old. Let him sit down memorize one page. I've seen it right. Well, what men believe in here, metaphorically, you know, Allah will not let your effort goes vain. You know, Allah would help you, you know, you will see the fruit of it. Like I kind of saw you homeschooled, Allah will make it easy. So bring it back to every woman, or every Muslim in general. Number one I wanted. If I don't want something, it's not going to happen unless I lost data, of course, has exceptions. I want to be I want it to be a physician. You want it to memorize the hora.
So that's number one. Number two, is you have to work hard for it.
I don't know what you say in England, but we have a statement in the state says there is no free lunch.
In this country. That's what they always say, right? What's a free lunch meaning meaning to get something you work for it for our needs, needs you. And one of the teachers said this to me The more you give the Quran, the more the Quran will give you
and you believe Allah will not let you don't. Unfortunately, this journey who's going to be stopping number one, and that journey? Right? What's your traffic light number one that I'd want stripe on? Yeah, that's true does not want you to memorize the Quran. So we'll bring all what you shared with us. obstacles. I will call it the imaginary obstacle. Yeah, I'm old. Yeah. I'm a mother. I'm very busy. You know what I forget? The moment I memorize one page next day I didn't. And this keeps building up and you stop.
This is my answer. Age is not an issue. In our institute, gender Institute, the oldest student memorizing the Quran is 67.
This is her third Jews. This is Mashallah really, and this is a non Arab. A woman grandmother takes care of husband and child and grandchild grandchildren, very active in the community, teachers and study, study Tajweed you name it any class we start, she's there.
So age is not an issue time. Which we all blame everything on time. No, this is how I will say we have time for everything. We have we spent a woman easily spend three, four hours in the kitchen if you want really to prepare a meal that you like and you have
wanted to come out beautiful right? children spend three four hours playing and doing all these things we spend hours with our friends. When it comes to the Quran is not there is no time. I do look at the time that I'm spending in the Quran in a way that it will give me back seat now this man has a beautiful statement. You see it in every Quran memorization school. It says la la hora para una Masha be admin Kayla Mira Bina if our hearts were purified, we'll never have enough of the words of Allah. So time, it needs time management. This is what I said to the sister yesterday. So power law. And I say this to everyone who's listening to me Look at yourself, you're a morning person or
evening person? Where is your strength? You focus better in the morning? Or do you focus better in the night. And number two, look at the time when you're free.
Is the morning very hard for you because everyone is up and running around. Or it's the evening the other way around. You need to dedicate 30 to 45 minutes a day, focus.
Start three and a quarter view and keep going. You will not memorize it in a day. Not in a year. Adults average with other things in life. You're talking about five to seven years. People says five to seven years. I said people study eight years in the states eight years to become a physician. You didn't even did anything good. They just give you the degree. Yeah. So you did not do your training yet. You didn't do your specialty. But people do it. When I'm on something, you will do it and you're wasting the effort. Yes. Now before all this Yeah. before, during, and after talking to him and says your law. I know I am not worthy of your book. Because his words, but you are generous.
Give it to me. Like you give it to everybody else. What do you think I'd love to do? We'll let you down. I have to say it now. Your law. So no, I am not worthy. And you are generous and I know you can help me. Give me the Quran in my heart yard. I mean, and actually the trigger that made me start to do it. And again, I was doing my residency in the States. Doing my ob gyn gynecology is a friend of mine who passed away May Allah bless her soul very young.
And I saw her two days before I was with her 48 hours before she passed away. And I was just coming back from Umrah. She looked at me and says she was terminal.
She said that her last puntata will give me like, there's two things I want to do. Just young kids
didn't say anything about the children.
Honestly, all parents were still like nothing about the dunya says two things I want. I want a lot to give me life. Because I want to do two things still I didn't do. And I said What is it? She says I want to go to his house. And I want to memorize the Quran. Two days later she died.
What do you think Allah will reward her? Because the Nia in Tanzania
and I left after we I was there when she literally passed away. And I said
what is my excuse? I'm still breathing.
And then you come in you and you said it's going to be maybe I will not finish maybe I'll die and then I die. So it's a nice outcomes to me your head your feasibility age, it will or the moron and Kathy hiromasa so ever migrate for the sake of Allah, He will see a lot of hate on the earth is wide enough for him. But the second part is related to here are my yardman bt mohar durante Allahu Allah Saudi, when you leave your home, for the sake of Allah migrating for the sake of Allah and His Messenger, and now what happens to my eadric remote and then he or she dies. But Eduardo Allah, Allah will reward him as if he completed his journey. Here you go, start, have the resolve, turn to
Allah, you're lucky. Make me strong. Give it to me. I'm not worthy. Practically I will say the best is you if you join a school, join a group with a teacher alone is possible. But you're more a good target for shape one. Yeah. But when you look at your children, because you were there, right? You weren't there you are the teacher or you are their mentor. They did it by Allah grace. So this is what I told her sisters get a group hamdulillah these days with all the technology we have. You have it everywhere. You have online classes online teachers online, I'm sure in London. I mean, I'm not very familiar. Yeah, but I'm sure you have classes for memorize. Yeah, we have an institute called
the shot TV Institute in West London, I believe
Have in East London, I'm sure there there are lots of places. It's an even online having a an online tutor once one of my children, you know how to tutor online as well. And that really just having that accountability. And you know, you know what? Sometimes I'm sure you see this here, but we see it a lot in the States. You see people at 4am and 5am in the morning Doing what? None Muslims exercising? Yeah, right. They go to the gym at 5am. Right. Why? Because they wanted, yeah, and they love it. And they love the result. And this is for dunya nothing when we go to the grave is not going to give us anything back. So Pamela, can't be Muslims wake up at five or four or in the
evening, some of them goes in the evening, and just give this one hour. Yeah, not to my body or to my soul. It's the words of him. And I can't tell you what will happen once you start memorizing the Quran, the Baraka, the blessings you see in your life, and I'm not saying you're going to be rich, necessarily, but the peace, the serenity, the strong connection, you will feel it's beyond, but we will be rich will have like a richness in our heart. Exactly. I know that because I've tasted it.
And, you know, like my son when when I'm studying or when I'm preparing a talk, I'm like, what's that I, you know, and he'll, he'll just tell me straight up. And I'm like, I wish you know, I had that. Well, he's got the Quran. So
that's, that's a true story was one of my patients. And she was 78 great grandmother. So she came to me and she needed the surgery. First question, she asked me, when will I be able to leave the house? And in me, I was like, 78 Where do you want to go? Right? And, and she said, and I said, Where do you want to go? She said, I go to the foreign school.
And I'm not sure a lot about a color. So where are you? And she said, We are in Albuquerque. I said Mashallah. Because what I thought, she starts from the back. Yeah, so now we're almost done. Okay. And she says no, Dr. Yunus it's, we I mean, we started from Al Baqarah. And I was like, Mashallah. So I did the surgery, because was about two months later, that the surgery and then in the hospital. And then she said, so when I can go to the school, I said, After two weeks, someone can take you and you can go, she come back six weeks for her visit, checkup visit? And I said, and I called her Auntie, and I said, Auntie, she said, Did you go I said, she said, Yeah, I went ahead. Where are you
now? There's an alien moron.
78 Wow. Yeah. So I will absolutely say you know, the Hadith it's an Imam Attila the epithelium hums problems. Take advantage of five before five. Do you know the howdy near one of them? Which actually, most of them applies to the memorization of the aura. That's true. Shabaab aka Kabbalah youth use before we get old. Yeah. Or aka publish all your free time for to get busy. Yeah, right.
So I took a cobbler,
healthy before you get less and one of the 40 gets poverty and the most important one, your life before you die. So May Allah give it to your ob me. Today's Juma? Just before Mahara turn to Him sincerely, as a Saturday job at the time that Allah Subhana Allah respond. Gentleman says your love, give it to me. Give me the resolve. Give me the room. Yeah, thank all of us, you know, brothers and sisters who are listening? Absolutely. We need to get back on it. So Pamela, and it's truly it's, it's actually never been easier in a way. Because, you know, sometimes when sisters say how can I seek knowledge? So I will say to them, well, there's so many means now, you know, like, even if,
even if you have very small children, and you can't get out of the house or whatever, exactly. We have online courses, that there are different means and sometimes you have to adjust yourself, depending on your circumstances. But I think the most important thing is to keep moving forward. You know, so I remember at certain times my son, we would go online, sometimes we would he started the class in the mosque, and that that was the best to be honest enough to go every day.
But depending on what was happening, we had to change the strategy, but keep moving forward. And this applies not only to the memorization of the Quran, halting definitely it applies to the knowledge. Yeah, because these days and I'm specifically addressing the woman here and the Muslims at large. The main problem we have as Muslims now
Honestly, his lack of knowledge, we don't know our Deen. We don't know how to practice it the right way. If you ask a person in general, why do you pray this way? The answer usually, usually is that's how my mom taught to me. May Allah bless all the mothers, or my father taught me right now. And sometimes the parents have been taught, right but sometimes could be. They're not. But seeking the knowledge itself, the basics, basics basics. So we know and I'm talking about the basic not only the external, the basics, knowing or loss pantalla have this personal relationship, you know it so you can give it to your family, you can give it to the people around you. We don't want because we don't
spend time, allocate time to learn this Deen. And then this is one of the main reasons that's made to me and I lost pantalla used me to start gender Institute is to have a place where the woman not only learn but they need to know how beautiful is to learn, and what it will do to your life and to your family, and your relationship with a law and deductions that we all look for these days, live in peace, which is missing subpanel la la haine. Absent am your lawmakers live in peace is when you are connected with him. Part of the knowledge is his book and also learning his Deen his religion, Islam. How do I practice it? How do I feel it? This is extremely important. I mean, if I, if anyone
is hearing listening to me, I will say I would. If I go back if a lot of Give me another life, I would have started this much younger than I started when I really started. And another thing which a lot of people these days especially
it should not be either or, either I'm going to go and study Islamic studies or I'm going to be studying I we call it secular right? Why not? Both? Yeah, why not to book? Definitely. One is on a pastor patient one is on a
slower pace, or the same pace, but both and if you look at our history, they were all both they were successful people in dunya in life yeah. And they were successful in their relationship with Allah. I think this is one of the other main things we have to change. Yeah, is both this idea that you become a scholar, and then you basically don't have a job you have the jobs you know, you don't you don't go into any other study. Or you study other things and you become a professional. And you feel like Dean studies is not for me. That has to change. Yeah. Well, it has to change but we have to say that we still need people who their specialty is this Yeah, we need to be because it takes time
doesn't it? And that's the only time somebody to be really special exactly like you you need. For example gynecologist, but also you need a family practice. But these the the those people who chose to have the path of learning the deen of Allah as a career, may Allah reward them. We all need them. Yeah. But I my message is to the general people who they think is once they took the secular study, they don't have to study thing else. No. Because what brings what the Islamic Studies learn? I don't call it Islamic Studies only. What will what learning about the last pantalla and about the deen will bring to you as a person and brings to your family? What ever career you have, what ever, it
will not bring it at all. And doable, possible journey. And then you don't want to take a PhD in Islamic Studies you doesn't have to be you wanted to humbler but at least you know, the basics, what we call it for blind things that's obligation, external and internal. And then we as Omar will be absolutely different to Panama. Definitely. And even if sisters, especially who are not, you know, in a particular profession, and they're at home, sometimes I'm being moms, and they're struggling so much with everyday life. And sometimes they're not spending any time either studying the dean, or attending any kind of halaqa any kind of, you know, like one of our teachers he always used to say
Sahaba Yes, the solid him. Now you need some of the saline. And sometimes when I meet young moms especially, and they're actually like, overwhelmed and, you know, you can see that the man is being affected by maybe lack of sleep and you know, all the overwhelm. I think to myself, annaleigh you know, all of us, we all need that big way inside us. You know, we need to know the big one.
Why am I doing this, and without that, without that continuous connection and the Quran, the message of the Quran continuously telling us, you are going to be tested, this is how you're going to overcome the test, keep talking to Allah keep connecting to the law, without that message, somebody giving you that message, you know, either in halaqa, or in a class or in with good company.
I think it's so easy for shaitan to, to come and you know, like really affect people's in mind. And I'll tell you how I will address this and this has goes specifically for the sisters or for the brothers who are overwhelmed. Yeah. Unfortunately, the moral law gives us life should be easier, but it is not. Its power law. I mean, all the technology we have, everything is under our hand and our feet, we can do. But we are we're still have no time. And majority of people, we call it the rat race. Everybody is running. Yeah. And now what everyone is talking about specially for the woman, you need time for yourself, time for yourself, which is absolutely necessary. The best time for
ourselves is one.
It's as, as one of my teachers used to teach us it's a compulsory haleiwa with a law, it's an obligation, obligatory free, private time with a lot. So for the sisters who are very overwhelmed, and I can see this, I mean, if you're a working woman, eight to five, and this is a to five or nine to five plus the time go back and forth, and then you have to come home, then you have three to three children, then your husband's responsibility, then the house and living in the West, we don't have a lot of the help that maybe in other countries are there. I will say the following. Couple of things is when you learn and the learn, example, five minutes a clip, at 10 minutes, short podcast
10 minutes listening to the audio or your favorite reciter it will bring you gradually will gives you this calmness, and you don't feel overwhelmed because online is helping you you're trying to do this. And it will the spirituality inside you, calms you down. Like we say or you in secular advices we say you know, make sure you exercise, it really makes you feel good, which through medically speaking, yeah, but also this 510 2030 minutes connection with a loss pantalla, studying, listening, learning for him. This will give you amazing results on a daily personal level. And as we always say, if you keep putting a drop on a drop on a drop on a drop or will happen. consistency. And
I think this is one of the weapons that we Muslims don't use it very frequently turn to him and says you're locked into Sam minca Center, Haney said, You are the peace, source of peace. Make me live in peace. Everything that you feel so overwhelmed, it will become much easier. But definitely learning this concepts. practice them on a small scale. And when I have time, I'll do more When the time gets tight, I'll get less, but constant, just not gonna hire and share her. I wanted to ask you also. So how long did it take you to memorize the Quran? And I did it alone. Okay, after the incidents I shared with you. Yeah, so by nature, I'm a poet, I am a morning person. Okay, so I used to do with
before I go to work, and we in the States, we start early, like seven 715 in the morning or out of your house. So I do it before that. In the beginning, of course it took like the one hour or the 45 minutes you have, you may be able to do maximum half a page. So you read and repeat and recite and repeat and repeat and repeat in this. Then as we drive to work, I have my my favorite recital in the car. Then as I am praying my obligatory and optional prayers I reviewed. So this took about seven years, exactly seven years, I was able to finish it, but it was not tear down. Meaning I cannot say I'm happy. I can either walk off a lot yet, meaning like what you said, Where does this I'll give it
to you right away? Yeah, not yet. It takes time. So then when I moved to Saudi with Eli handleless pantalla. This is his grace, because he knew I wanted it. Right. And I did he didn't know how to do this. And then last puntata send me some of the teachers and most almost everyone who taught to me, they would have a lot of talk to me Islamic Studies. And they quoted the ayat like what you just said, Yeah, anything you ask them, the ayah comes in. So then one of my friends, teacher and then my friend
And she says, you know, just enroll yourself in the school. It's much better. She used to say it'll let you manage the hand of Allah is with the group. So when you're sitting in that class, you're see, you're not the only one, you will see much older people than you are much busier people. And you'll see much younger people who can be doing everything else the youth does. She's in the class, and it will work. So when I went there, I enrolled in the school,
or a first year full time, four days a week, three hours a day. And then as we moved on by the fourth unit, it was once a week, for two hours where we review in the week almost all the Quran.
But it is just a person, it's a So did you say it's a daily in the first year was a daily, daily, four days a week. And then the second year, it says it was three days a week, and then two days a week and the last year you finished. And then when you finished you get the test in the whole Quran. Once you once you pass it, then you can say to yourself, yes, I am happier. I haven't. But that journey doesn't stop. Because if you don't review it, again, you will forget. But it becomes much easier, much, much easier. And Allah will make it easier to handle. It's beautiful. If you speak to the non Muslims about it. Yeah, they because I have a couple of friends who are non Muslims in the
States. And one that I see. Really, how can you guys do that? And I was like, how many songs you memorized?
It's true. I had the full of the songs. So can you tell us a little bit I know that you've been giving classes about the Subramaniam in particular and some other topics as well. But I wondered like in your mind, like Could you share with us some of the key lessons or key points that you like to highlight for sisters especially
from sort of money? Um, yeah, so panel law I loved preparing for surratt Mary number one, the only chapter in the Quran or surah that is named after a woman
is a source Maria Yeah. And for any non Muslim view, Madame is Mary you know, the mother of Jesus Christ piece VSP and her him. And so number one is the whole chapter name is after a woman. Right? Number two, the only one mentioned by name? No. So the there's other woman mentioned in the Quran, but there's no name for it at all. In broadcloth, no, amo Moosa. All these Mother of Moses, peace be upon him, the wife of Noah, the wife of loot, but she was binding. Now, interesting, and I said this to the we had a beautiful turnout at hunger last weekend. And I said to the woman, I'll ask everybody, how do you want to be remembered after you pass away? We all pass away one day, right?
How do you want to be remembered? The mother off the famous whatever? How did the law remembered her? Or I will say wanted her to be remembered. That's better word of saying, right? How did you describe her in the aura weather in Merriam itself in detail and action, and Mary chapter, or when he mentioned her name and other chapters in that to her name in an MBA
She was chased to a kind of tonal quantity. She was a woman who was on it, someone who is in a state always in a state of for sure. And submission to Allah. And these are the two things and in Mary the chapter mirri third, or the fourth point is she white a woman went to throw a lot of difficulty. A lot of stress. None of us, none of us whatever you're going through, went through what she did. What a lot put her through. A woman known to be chased to him. known to be from that family. always praying and always worshiping living in the masjid living in the masjid. Exactly, exactly. I suddenly have pregnant
who will believe you?
Right? And, and at that point, you see the human nature of her when the labor pain came? And this is in chapter Mary, what did she say? Yeah, let me
walk into an SEM and see ya. I wish I was dead. Before this, and no one will remember me. You know when you are under a lot of stress, Major.
You know when you see that is no way out. It's coming. This is how she if you feel her. This is how she is
However, because of what she did before, in the good times, turning to Allah subhanaw taala attached to him in the time of difficulty, extreme difficulty, a lot of course, this is mainly but this applies to you and me made something happens that will give her peace and even happiness fair immediately next I effect right away. Nada Harmon Tatia called her from under her scholar said this could be Angel jabril this could be probably saved nicer, la hafi. Don't be afraid. What as any? Don't be sad. Can you imagine? What are what was she going through? labor pain, by itself is enough asked me, right? And ask any mother who delivered the stress and the fear and the anxiety you go
through, let alone the sequence of what comes out. Almost every woman should be very happy having a baby being a mother, not her. Because this is going to be
she knows it's going to be the the source of stress and difficulties. She was a human being a woman tested. But how did she react to the test the the usual reactions, there's fear, fear, and sadness. But because of what she did before, and this reminds me of another hadith of roswaal a saw to a sinner is what you do in your good time will come to you in your difficult time. That's why I have to have a relationship with a law stable not when I need him. Remember when we started the stable relationship with Alice pantalla it will pay back not only that moment, but when I am in a moment of need. That's true. And then the fifth thing which this is something we all ask a lot to give us and
I always say this as you gave it to me It gave Give it to me her serenity and your pain and the promise of Allah a jar of Bukit attiki Surya under you Allah put under us a baby newborn baby with no father, but a lot described him as Syria which is either a small river or an honorable thing she had this yuppie she carried him don't speak He will speak carrying a baby now these these for us one plus one does not if it doesn't work is like why I prepared I did. That's what you learn from her or there's so many that you learned from her is her sanity as a woman. And it's amazing also that for us as a non as Muslims living in a non Muslim, I think we all have to spread this message that part
of core of our belief is believing in Mary B's peace be upon her and how we look up to her was beautiful span a lot and amazing to Panama Subhanallah I think that's one of the things that we have to bear in mind isn't it that when we're in times of ease, prepare ourselves by developing our character you know making yourself stronger making yourself and then when those difficult times come it's almost as if the true you is revealed. And the true you can never be it's a bit like you know, they say when you don't have much money if you don't give charity then when you do become rich, you probably won't know right? It's not going to happen because you never develop that habit of and also
because charity is kind of proportional Isn't it like when you have a little bit of money and you give a pound
that seems like a lot to you if you if you're not well off but then when you're wealthy Will you be willing to give you know 1000 pounds
if you never got used to it and you know you want so I will add to this falter May Allah reward you is the hadith of Ross Wallace autosar is to refer you to live data in a life of a hot jarocho coefficient.
And if I translate literally is no law at time of ease, he will know you he was capital H and the time of difficulty. That's basically how it is. So when everything is going smooth, everything going in what I like I'm not under stress, I'm not under anxiety nothing then if my relationship with ally is very strong. And I give him his due right tapana when I come under stress under need under anxiety under any of the life difficulty what will make it easy. This is the meaning he will know you meaning his or he will make me feel good. Although everything around me is not. Yeah. And you say how can you take it so easy? How come you're not stressed out? She's I don't know hamdulillah
who made her feel this? Yeah. Or he will make things easy. He will fold it down and becomes much easier. So this is one of the things that say de Maria in her
Moments of the tests how time spent with a lie before because if you look at Ali Emraan, when Santa Maria was mentioned she Satan as a courier, always find her pregnant, praying to that relationship when things was easy with things was good. She had the relationship with Allah, it paid her back. So this is one of the things I'll share it with everybody was listening to us, may Allah reward you all, and sisters and brother is take the advantage. When things are good, you have time of health, everything is easy. Don't waste the time use it for a law then when things change, and you want Him He will make it much easier for you. It's an amazing lesson also from sort of Maria definitely
doesn't want isn't one of the meanings of carnitine or cornetta that you pray in the night as well. One of the yes stuff our serum is and say number one is to pray a lot. I say no Brahim was also one of the ones in the Quran. as a as a man was also this described in Abraham Akana mutton on Italia. So ending in prayer standing in prayer. Everyone is asleep. Exactly. Yeah. So in other words, you're remembering Allah. He will remember time of ease and definitely so Pamela, you know, I've seen this example in my own father. Since he was a teenager, he has been doing it and take off every Ramadan. Sometimes people will phone our house and complain. Where's your dad? Why?
Why is he gone for 10 days, you know, because my dad is a Mufti. And you know, he did a lot of work in the community. And sometimes, you know, they would get angry. Yeah, what kind of work? is this? How you live for 10 days, you know, obviously, an ignorant person would say that, but because what why witnessed is, throughout his youth, doesn't matter what's happening at home, he had devoted that this is to Allah for Allah.
And now that he's a lot older, he still does it, but some, some years he may not be able to because of health or whatever. And I just, you know, with thinking about that, and I was thinking, Subhana Allah, there's a hadith in which the Prophet sallallahu Sallam said, expressed to us that if you do something and it becomes your habit, right, then when the time comes, when you can't do it, and absolutely right, you still get the reward for it, because the only thing stopping you is that thing that you know that illness or something that came from Allah. So it made me think so Hannah law, what are the things that I'm doing regularly, you know, that later on in life, can continue to give
me a shot. So I think all of us need to examine, examine our lives and think, you know, what are those regular things? Because when we really want to do something we do do it? Isn't it? Isn't that case upon
that another topic that I've seen that you really like to focus on is the topic of Tesco. Yes, please, can you introduce our listeners and viewers to the concept of Tesco? And
what do you feel? people and our times, especially in the West, I would say, Muslims in general need to hear most about the topic of those
tests give you a translate because maybe some people are not familiar with the term itself is purification. Yeah. And some scholars will quote purification of the heart. Some scholars will say purification of the soul. The whole idea in if I want to put it in a very simple terms, every human being look at the baby. When the mother delivered the baby, that baby, Allah created him. fitrah is the natural instinct. The natural instinct not only we know Allah, we know there is a creator. But we know right from wrong. We know this is not right. We don't know why it is right. It we don't know why it is not right. But we know it doesn't feel good. doesn't sound good. Then we start living in
life and what happens, which is also the hadith of Swati Salatu was Salam Polamalu, Rodolfo, every newborn will be born on the natural instinct meaning knows only one creator, then his parents makes him Christian Jews.
Then for us, born as Muslim, so we know this, but then life impact where do we live? And that include external you know, some people like this food that other food, but internally, life will start shaping and changing us. And the crystal I call the heart the crystal vase, the crystal vase, shining beauty Allah created a lot who knows somehow it will or what happens as we live, it becomes foggy, a little bit dirty, more dirty, more dirty, and sometimes becomes a black. What is this dirt, anger, jealousy, lying, loving this life attachment competition.
I want to be the best, I'm going to crush them, the business, all these backbiting. And since exactly all this is, since comes in, yeah, what this purification does, it's a process, basically simple, that crystal that became, with time
dirty, if you want to use this word Miyagi, you're cleaning it, polishing polishing it, and then it comes back to the original crystal, that the focus is I am here, as a halifa of Allah spawn Tada. I am here as stewards on this earth. And we all are talking about it these days. How?
and here also medicine comes into power. When you have a wound, and the wound is infected, any kind of ailment, what is the first thing you do? You clean the wound. And then you remove anything in your surroundings that will make the wound infected again, and then you bring things that will help heal the wound. That's that's key. That's purification. You bring back the heart is wounded. Jealousy, backbiting, hate, no belief in Allah, all these things, right? And then I'm going to gradually remove it, remove it, remove the harm, remove the hearts and clean it. And basically, literally, I tell the sisters all the time, it's like you're bringing, you're cleaning a dish,
you're washing a dish, the dish is your heart and you're washing it and if the dish is dirty, you're gonna keep washing. Yeah, right. So here you go. And, by the way, purification of the heart. Ischia is one of the three messages that Allah subhanaw taala sent the Prophet alayhi salatu salam Hamad for us.
The first thing is salted Baccarat, robina or Barfi. him or sulan been home. Actually him I attic, where your Alamo will keytab will hikma well you
know, Sam was the daughter of a bride they saw him exactly sorted by our law sent to them the people in Mecca or his his progeny. Yes. A rustle from amongst them but messenger from amongst them exactly. will teach them sight recite the verses of your verses to them. Uh huh. Yeah, to allow him to get a ticket and then when
they teach teach them a book, when he come up with Hickman wisdom so know exactly why shot law plays a key and purifying pure This is in the first draft of Satan Abraham. If you flip this, this is four times in the Quran. If you look at the second part, second time in solitary Baqarah the sequence changed Robin Alba theme rasuna Minh and forcing him yaku Allah him II Attica and then we'll use a key him where I live on wikitravel Hickman, once you are a Muslim, once you know then test q becomes and some scholars tells you it's for blind it's an individual obligation and every person. So in a nutshell, how do I do number one, it's like memorizing the Quran. It's a process. It's not going to
happen in a day. Allah I always tell this to I saw a loss capable of everything. But it's a process I wanted. I'll take the measures, remove the viruses. Right? And keep the cleaning. Number one in the process. You need to know what is my problem? My problem is anger. And when I get angry, I disobey a law. I say things I hurt people. What is my problem? Jealousy? Why does she have it? I don't have it. She doesn't deserve it. My, my problem is, I speak and when I speak I hurt people, backbiting lying, putting people down bullying, all these number one identify by identifying yourself. Then take one by one
simple company. As you said,
if the Sahaba around me if my friends were, I know when I go out with them. It's going to end up in backbiting I need to remove that's a virus. Definitely. If I know if I am going to be doing certain things, and if it doesn't work perfectly, I'm going to get upset. I need to move away from these things. I know if I for example,
if I'll be with this, if I go to her house. I'm going to feel ill inside me. She has a bigger house than mine. She has four bedrooms and three that I need to cut down from this social interaction.
So number one is identify what is your problem and what's causing it. So aim knowledge, learn, learn, and the more I learn about Allah subhanaw taala. The more I learn about my shortcomings, then
number two is Mujahidin, we follow it and this is the biggest struggle Say, say and the process is very easy for things less and one thing is more.
Very easy and this is a mountain I am put it beautifully. The for less, which we absolutely don't do.
What do you think?
This talk? Yeah, less sleep.
less food. Yeah. And less interaction with people.
The Vicar, exactly. Martial Law to Article more detail of a law. The cornerstone is this one. No. And there is a saying attributed to Swati Satomura and the grace of Allah to Allah. Remembering remembrance of Allah is the cleaning agent of the heart. Remember the crystal? Yeah, I could put soap
dish spray. It's thicker and thicker. Any form of remembering Allah reading Quran, memorizing, asking Allah for forgiveness.
During the morning and evening, as car sinks upon Allah, reflecting on the nature, and you say your law hamama What is beauty is this, who are you? You know, that's a vicar. And this process continues, it's not one day or two. And you will see yourself gradually changing, much more calmer, much more appreciative of what Allah gave you less complaining, which is the problem of these days. Yeah, less less and less complaining, less attached to the material things. If you have it at Hamdulillah, if you don't have with 100 Allah, and then the more you get there, then you start getting so close to Allah, Allah, the Quran makes you cry, standing inside the night, all the so
it's a process hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen what is really beautiful, is anytime and every time I teach this, whatever, and I teach it all over, I'm not only in the States, in people really, these days, that's what they are missing.
It's like, wow,
this is what I need to do. I need to figure out that me continuously living in these viruses around me and feeding the viruses, it is making me sicker and sicker spiritually.
Yeah. Because isn't, wouldn't you say? That there's this narrative that, you know, just accept yourself the way you are, you know, there's this, there's this idea nowadays, that people are not encouraged to kind of be self reflective, self critical, you do have to be set to a certain level, you have to, you know, analyze yourself. And before you could improve, you have to find out what's wrong, right. And sometimes in the culture around us, we're encouraged to just embrace our flaws, you know, just, that's just the way you are, that's just your personality. And, and also, I think there's an undue emphasis, or there's a lack of recognition that the people around you and how they
affects you, like, of course, like, for example, I go to university, and you know, you do mix with different types of people, it's not that you should completely cut off from them. But you need that place where you can go where you can recharge, you know, absolutely, if you don't have that court of friends, or Alomar or, you know, scholars or pious people, people who when you're in their presence, your mind goes up, they remind you about hereafter, yes, yes, you will become so immersed in this dunya and the concerns that the people around you have become your concerns. So they, for example, competing to have an extension on the house and you know, invest in this and that and then that
becomes your obsession. Absolutely. They're obsessed with status
with belongings and things and holidays that you become obsessed with that. I mean, I if you allow me to Islam tells me to accept who I am. Yeah, but we take it the the, I want to use the wrong way. Meaning Yeah, Allah subhanaw taala teaches me to accept the way he created me. Yeah, right. As he teaches us or sorry, salt was around when we look at ourselves in the mirror. A lot of mahkamah has sent a heartbeat for has some quality now Yeah, like the way you perfected and beautified me, beautify my inner image or my manners. That means it doesn't matter how I look. It doesn't matter what people think of me. This is who I am. Yeah, right. For the things that you
Can't change. Right. So the four things you can change you accepted. Yeah, right. Now, originally, I was not born.
Angry to the point. I'm throwing everything around me. Yeah, right. I was born with anger. Each one of us, by the way, have anger. And anger is when it is tamed and used in the right way. It's a good thing. Right, exactly. But where do I need to? I wouldn't say change but I will need to tame and put control in when it goes channel it the right way. Channel. I love this word channel but in the right way. Yeah. And team it. Yes. Give don't give it too much. Right. So you you get upset. You have the feeling? Yes. But then how I respond is when our last pantano wants me to respond in his way. And that's what for example, Ischia teaches me because I'm going to learn about him. And he Salatu a
sinner. Has he ever been angry? Yes.
But two questions. What made him angry? And how he and how did he respond? What made him angry? You became angry for the sake of Allah. Exactly. When the boundaries of a law was
override overridden? Yeah. And how did he respond?
kwinana Rafi we use? We know what from the change in his face? Yeah. hamdulillah. So that's what teskey teaches you is not completely you, will you completely destroy it? Completely regenerated or reborn? Yeah, no, it's what you have Allah gave you.
And by the way, this include the good characters we have. Because sometimes we don't know, like, are very patient. And you never thought you were very patient. Alhamdulillah use it for Allah. So it is basically self, you know, the self development courses, everyone talks about these days, right? It's a spiritual development, I will call it a spiritual identification of who you are. And then the good ones, keep it cultivate make more, and the not very good one, tame it, and channel it towards pleases us.
And would you say that, I mean, I feel like lowering the gaze. I feel like that's one of the very key
key tools that we all need to adopt in order to have test gear, because, you know, sometimes you meet people and nowadays, a lot of parents are very worried about the young people, you know, on Instagram and these things and constantly seeing other people's belongings lives, beauty, you know, this kind of thing. And even us, so we're watching the news, or we're watching television, or I mean, like, for example, when my sons are watching television, I will say to them, remind them to lower the gates, you know, it doesn't stop just because it's not a real person in front of you, right?
Because all of these things have an effect. And they absolutely sometimes we don't realize they've had an effect until it's too late. We've become desensitized to looking at her arm or looking at things that even if it's not how wrong, you know, I read this concept of lowering the gaze from material things generally, not necessarily from her own, you know? Yes, true. Yeah, sure. Now, lower the gaze with a lot of people may find this new information. It's actually an obligation. It is not an extras. Yeah. Holy moly. Yeah. Tell the believing man, man and the believing woman. Lower your gaze. Yep, lower your gaze and this is a long discussion. What do we do when you are in the
workforce and when we are with the non Muslims but let's start with the Muslim community. Both By the way, men and woman lowering the gaze Actually, it's an ayah in the Quran will give you the inner clearness of the heart piasa the instinct that when you look at people you will know them the more you lower your gaze you're not seeing the opposite Allah will give you the vasila the inner sight in a sight Yeah, that you see things as they are. You'll see that running after this life at one point I'm leaving, there's no point i this person looks very nice. But reality they are not your see it. So absolutely. I mean, one of them is lower the gaze but I think the key interest here is
remembering Allah subhanaw taala constantly. Constantly. This dicker stuff will last panel lied out you don't lie. It's a panel of very recently lost pantalla blessed me to visit his his sacred house and a friend of mine. We were in the journey from Jeddah to Makkah and her driver
for the join is about an hour.
One hour. Simple driver never stopped sending solid on our Swati
Last one out.
And then in between, you know, when we all get tired, and you just say stuff a little lighter Hold on. And I asked like, y'all.
This is a simple man. Yeah, who knows, maybe doesn't have, I don't know, but I'm assuming not too much education, for sure not much dunia but and there is no reason for him to do that other than this is who he is. You know, some of the taxi drivers I've met. They're some of the most intelligent people
have some amazing discussions with them. Yeah, but
this one is a spiritual muscle. I was like, I even know, I used every time I see my friend. I said, Okay, what is the driver? Decker?
But you know, it's so easy for all of us. We're sitting on a train every day sitting in the car in the traffic jam with it. One of my teachers he always used to say, how can you just stand there silently? Like on a train? Hello. How can you just stand there silently when you've got something? You've got something that you can do to be increasing your deeds constantly, right? You're sitting on the train you're standing you're waiting in a line just have a lots of panels. These panels allow them there's so many things you can keep your tongue moist with as a gorilla with laser cut. I think it's a habit, isn't it? You just have to become mindful and develop. Yes, yeah, does Akela Heron for
Are there any books that you would recommend? either in English or even in Arabic? Because, you know, some of our viewers and listeners may also be studying etc. that you'd recommend for Ischia?
In Arabic, there's plenty. Yeah. It depends on where are you in your reading? level? Meaning you mentioned in your claim?
No. Hey, Mojo Xia. Sally, can my daughter just had a kid? It may be not the beginning. Yeah, yeah. I love that. I love the book. Yes, beautiful. But it's deeper, as I said, a beginner or in the middle or your advanced, okay, let's say beginner, beginner. There's a beautiful book, which actually now I use it. Mostly in our courses that we offer a genericity is called a skier to nuforce Come on urahara lemon syrup, and it's translated as it as purification of the soul. It's a small
small book like this, this walk test kiya purification, you don't read it as a bedtime story reads with your heart, and you read it that you want to change and you may need to read it more and more and more. Yeah, preferably you study purification of the heart with a teacher. It isn't all a scam studies actually. It's you don't become spiritual by reading books. Yeah, yeah. So you don't become a doctor by reading books, medical books, you need training in the teacher in the process to go through it. But I will say the first thing any Muslim man or a woman once in the journey to get close to Allah, because that's what the purification will get you close to Allah start with his
book. Start with his book is not only work toward not work toward only but what does this mean for me, in this time and age, and this is what I mainly do these days when we have our courses about the origin because I do now two courses. We do it on site online, in St. Louis, and it's online open to everyone
to and we do it on weekend. And since it is gay any directed mainly towards a woman so we pick up a time or all the family are so sleeping, it's a weekend excuse, oh, we do Saturday,
central USA, time eight to nine. And this course we call it learn love a live the Quran. And the purification or tusky is on Sunday, seven to eight, the test skier course, has been running since 2003.
Panama, people come and go people come and go sometimes the book we do it again, and sometimes new things. The whole idea is once you start with the book of Allah, and you learn what the word what the sewer, I mean, kulula law had allowed available for like the simple ones. Once you learned the meanings of the word. The next question needs to come to you and me. What does it mean to me as a person, a Muslim living in this day and age I live in London, I live in the States, whatever I love push me on this earth. How will I live it? Because the Orion came to every one of us in every time pull out of Europe, the fella at the time of Russia Sartre Suriname had a meaning for them. They
live for me, if a lot and this is another journey. So if I spend 1015 minutes every day learning few words from the Quran thinking thinking about them. And again, taking it gradually
Step by step, Allah will open the doors, but for knowledge, two things and for purification of the heart, start with a book of Allah. Always, that's the beginning. And then I will definitely recommend the easiest book in Arabic to read is actually it's called Mater Solomon hajer. cassadine is Serbian Kodama and makdessi. A, which is the summary of the summary of a halo within a mammal has it, but it's, it's absolutely beautifully written. And the Hadees are all with all the tallies with all the sources of it so easily. But again, it's not an easy book to read without a teacher, I highly recommend the process of testing, especially for the beginner, take it with the teacher, and
ask a lot of make it easy, as we all said, I mean, yeah, I mean, I just remember even just being in a, in the presence of certain teachers, you learn from the adab, you learn from the mindset just, you absorb so much
apart from what they're saying with their words. So definitely, actually, one thing you said about the teachers is what I learned when I studied overseas, I studied with a woman only. Okay, which was my first time. Really? Absolutely. Because in the West, you study with men. Yeah. Right.
But when you study with woman, as a woman, yeah. And you will have this ability to spend time with them, sometimes on a private Yes, space. And I can tell you, and this is actually one of the reasons that I asked our last panel and hamdulillah he responded to we started gender Institute because we wanted women to be able to teach woman and woman who have studied and give this to the to the woman,
regular woman or the woman who are wanting to take it as their, their career. You know, we specialize in this, because everyone who taught me was their career in Islamic Studies, PhD in Quran and Sunnah is Panama. So take that part, especially here, I've seen it in London muscle a lot.
We need to cultivate this more and more. Definitely. And I think I had many female teachers in Egypt.
And they were just so amazing. Just learning from them. I learned about modesty from them, I learned about how to conduct yourself how to
just so many things, you know,
and also change the mindset. Yeah.
For the younger generations, you know, that woman, like now, it's very normal, that you go and see a female physician, you don't even think some actually prefer? This is what we need to do. Yeah, for teachers is to bring back if you want to use the word scholarship. Yeah, that woman.
When you look at Careers you want to take or knowledge you want to learn. One of them, it needs to be Islamic Studies, because you will teach simple small circle as your house, definitely, which means that the beginning or you can extend and then change the mindset of the woman can be definitely if you like you can be a physician or a lawyer or a teacher any other career. This also, and this will give you not only dunya reward, but also will give you a Hillary ward. Definitely does that, Catherine. So
Dr. Haifa, I just wanted to ask you for some last advice that you'd like to give our viewers and listeners about staying steadfast in our times, what advice would you would you give us
staying steadfast, number one possible. Number two is not easy.
However, because you want to stay steadfast, for the sake of Allah. He will make it easy. Toward three, this order of steadfastness was given to roswaal he saw to Sir, at the end of solitude, first step and come out on your
stay on the right path steadfast as you were ordered. So, and this is how I always look at things number one general. Yeah, meaning that's what he wants from me. If he wants something from me, that means it's possible. Yes.
Number three, don't fool yourself. It's not easy, but it's possible in general. Now, how do I do that? It's the same process of tusky. I will say number one is company in these days, and not company only individual. What is the biggest company we have these days?
Our phone, our phone panel? What does that constant companion is feeding you your heart, your steadfastness, your relationship with Allah. Because when people ask me is the phone Haram. I was like, why?
Depends how you are using it, right? So, look at your surroundings, it choices. Life is all about choices panela every step, when you are in front of a choice, which we do with DD, one question only, you need to ask, and then take the decision. Which one is more pleasing to Allah? or which one is pleasing to Allah? And the answer should not even give you a blink of an eye. Do it. A lot of the time, it will be externally on the expense of losing material things in the beginning only Yeah, but steadfast believe in it. constant,
constant supplication turning to our last time, your law man Yes, I request about your ally asked you to stay steadfast your ally in any language, right? Anyone learn new language. This is cheap Talk, talk to him. You're like I'm weak. You're like, I can do it. You're like you are the strong, do it? Yeah. When you fall, and we all do, get up like a child, look at your child, when the child is 1516 months, what is the norm? They're learning how to walk, how many times they will fall? What do you tell them as a mother? Get up, we all fall as just just get yourself together? You know what, we all did that. And then we know, that's exactly how it is. And if you look at everyone around us,
we're all sinners, who love no other hotbar or hurdle hop it in. All the children of Adam are sinners, the band's the best among them, those who turn back, repent. So you look at it, you can ask a lot to keep your strong, choose your company, your time, do extra, as much as you can.
Winter, fast more, right? Summer, fast, less, but fast, summer, long day, do more liquor, because you're not sleeping that much. You know, what I'm saying is choose the things and and gradually and gradually. And it is not difficult. I mean, I have seen in England, examples of youth. It's really made me happy
and alive. I said, you know what Allah spawn tada? Is, is beautifully merciful. Because he shows you these examples. You see sad examples, but there's also good examples. Yeah, ends on what you focus. That's how it is.
And he would, Panama will answer me if he's not.
I think it's really important for us in our times, you know, often we can get very used to hearing about what's bad, and what's negative about, you know, being a Muslim and our times. But actually, if we are to become really mindful, and really, like, pay attention to what's going on around us. We're very blessed. So Pamela, the other day, I went to the library to work and
they have a prayer, I'm in the library, you know, in my area, which wood was never there before. They just developed a prayer room, they call it a multifaith room, but it's only Muslims who are using and it's, it's just beautiful, the facilities are there.
You know, when you look around you people, especially in London, I think, you know, people are so used to seeing Muslims now.
One thing that keeps coming up, people sometimes say, you know, oh, when they hear about things, negative things that are happening in the media, and maybe Islamophobia, that kind of thing. They say, you know, you Muslims in the West, you should
go back, go back move. Not even go back because we were born here. Yeah. Like, like, go to a place where, and so panelo sometimes, you know, think about that. And I think one of the things that we have to realize is, if you live in a country where it's harder to do something, it's harder to worship Allah, it's harder to lower your gaze because there's images being bombarded that you you know, of people and things
and you obey Allah, in that difficult situation, you're going to be rewarded more. So I think, you know, this idea that we should run away from a situation that is not feasible for everyone. Yeah, right. To do and also maybe not desirable as well.
I think you know, we need to get out of that mindset. The difficulty gives us more reward that this difficulty also contains within it so many opportunities for that work, for connection that don't exist in some idyllic perfect place that we imagine exists. This is how I how I will look at it you know how I look at it
is a statement I heard a long time ago. If your heart was connected to a law doesn't matter which land of his you live.
If the heart is connected to a law, it doesn't matter which level
have his Tesla. You live on? Number one? Number two, you You said that to beautifully. Not everyone can do that. Yeah, right. I cannot. It's just not feasible for many people. Number three, if I can, number one, can I practice my Islam? Yeah, in the West these days, and I live in the United States of America and you live in England, can I? And I am a professional and I work and I studied and I did my residency. The hospital I work now is an absolutely Christian hospital. Is it feasible? The answer is yes. Yes. Has my Deen being challenged? The answer is no.
When will I seriously think of Hydra? is when I can't practice it. You're never Swati Sato Sarah. He moved not from a non Muslim to a Muslim. He moved from a Muslim from a from Mecca, Mecca to Medina, my blessing. So my because a lot of what I need to do living in the Western world, and actually even in the world these days is me. Work on me on my connection with a law, stay away from home. A lot of people don't look or think what harm impact can have on my daily life. Stay away from it. I think I don't have to. I don't have to watch her on. And I always say this to the sisters. Did somebody put a gun on your head and say, watch this TVC? By the way, if they did you watch it? Because that's
what Islam teaches. But in general, a lot of what makes us weaker.
weaker is us likely to exactly self inflicted, we like it, we enjoy it. Did they prevent our children from going to colleges and Institute's and learn? The answer is no. Did they prevent us from us woman wearing our hijab? If the answer is yes, then yes, I am moving. Yeah, you know what I am co creating other spaces where I can do exactly any. I as a woman who lived a good amount of years in the Western world, sometimes I feel I'm even stronger in the in living in the non Muslim world, simply because I can isolate myself easier. And I can practice my knee. I travel a lot. As you probably know, I don't recall any airport in the world, and let alone in the states and we our
whole continent, that there was no prayer. Exactly. And you call it interfaith meditation. I don't care what they call it is I go in and I see public direction. Yeah, I see.
And people know. So I think this is how I will say I think this is number one is an individual, individual decision. Yeah, some people living in the West is better for them, some people living not in the West is better for them for their family, for their children. So you cannot there's no one size fits all. There isn't. Yeah, but the thing that I'm trying to highlight is that there are opportunities around us that we might not be able to get somewhere else, you know, opportunities for our people who are seeking the truth that the message of Islam has never come to them. And we have the opportunity to reach them in a way that you know, in certain places, like I lived in Egypt, I
would say I could see myself having a very limited role in Egypt, you know, in terms of that, because I feel like everyone is this you there are people who festival people who are from that land, you know,
native speakers of that language, etc.
Already there, right? Whereas here, we are the native speakers, you know, Allah Subhana Allah, Allah says that he he, for every nation, he sent them a messenger from amongst themselves with their language. So sometimes, you know, I think why did Allah place us here? You know, I did not choose to be born here.
Somehow the law made the situation conspire for us to be here. So instead of rejecting it, why don't we look for the opportunities that might be there for reward that might not be elsewhere?
Absolutely, absolutely. What's the best dollar? The best dollar and I say this to everyone, because some people will say, Well, I don't have knowledge. Yeah, how can I be a die is you in your manners, you examiner enter example, in your interaction with people who will have to talk to them about the skier purification opener. Yeah, but you act in it. Yeah, we all role models or models and then almost pantalla will use you inshallah, inshallah. So does Akela Heron. Yeah. I really appreciate you coming and I hope to keep in contact with you and and
Please do come back to each other on a future visit. Brothers and sisters I hope you enjoy that hope you benefited from that I know I'm going to sign up to a course straight after this because I've been really motivated. in Charlotte, please share this episode with your friends and family with somebody maybe who has been wanting to memorize Quran or you know and needs that boost. And with that, I will bid you farewell. Assalamu aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato. subhanak. Aloma handig Chateau La ilaha illa Anta, a stuffy look at what we like.