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Okay, Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu now I don't want to sell the island is really getting on my bad.
So I your sister, Fatima, however you today, Wiley consolata
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You're very welcome today and I'll have a brief introduction of yours.
And to that and after that we'll have
a few question and answers you can start from there.
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you have you have a degree from
from a Salaam Institute and Mashallah years to completing your master's degree. And,
and you are Mashallah author of a lot of articles and your author of books, women in the Quran I share the truthful. And you're also have authored your groundbreaking first book Khadija, the mother of histories of great nation. Mr. Schouler, you have written numerous articles and Muslim magazines along the bike, and you're also director of seeds of change the biggest Muslim women's conference in Europe and Dharma trainer phi IRA.
And Mashallah, you have been awarded the iconic or international award for young women in Darwin community service and column for martial law. mobike. May Allah put bacchanal on your achievement and you have been in our program programs as last 15 years? Mashallah. And your programs are also available on Muslim Central. Such a beautiful achievement. How do you feel about it?
basically the two books that you mentioned or books that I'm writing at the moment?
Okay, but the book that I have
Khadija it's called Khadija, mother history's greatest name published by learning routes. And yet, I began studying in allows her actually in Egypt. And then I went back to London and
began studying at two institutes here, Ibrahim college and Salaam Institute and I graduated from both of them or come to the lab. So long journey
Yeah. Me I look back on your knowledge and make make it beneficial for all of us. I mean,
okay, I'm sister. Oh,
I'll start with a question from
as this is a very important topic for women.
Um, can you please elaborate on the evidence of marrying the veil and the niqab and isn't a cop compulsory?
Or just Mr. Ham?
Okay. JazakAllah Heron. Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa Salatu was Salam ala rasulillah.
Before I begin talking about this topic, I would like to first say salaam aleikum to all the brothers and sisters out there, wherever you are. I'm sure you're from all different countries and lands and places.
Isn't Isn't it amazing and hamdulillah that we able to meet in this way from places that are just completely 1000s and 1000s of miles apart? Right? And hamdulillah. So the first thing I want to say is that before we talk and launch into any kind of discussion about hijab, niqab and you know, these types of things, the first most important thing for us to always remember and bear in mind, is that a handle as Muslims who believe that, you know, we have a creator or last Canada, Allah, that He created us, he nourished us, he gave us everything that we have, he guided us, to Islam. And furthermore, he gave us commands. And he prohibited us from certain things. And he made this life a
test for us. Yes, I think we always have to bear all of those things in mind, before we talk about any particular command of law. We talk about any particular aspect of Islam, because
we can't take the context away from the rulings of Islam, you know, so our Creator, last minute Allah, of course, he guided us through the Quran, he sent us the Quran through the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam
taught us not just about how to dress, but every area of life, right in every area of life, everything that we needed to know to live a good life.
He told us, and what we have to bear in mind is that everything that last Canada, Allah commanded us with, there's something good in it for us.
Whether we can see the good or not, and everything that a loss of Hannah Tyler prohibited us from, there's something bad in it, whether we can see it or not. So inshallah with that
background with that understanding, we want to go forward. So coming to the topic of the job, and
we know that one of the areas that a Lost Planet Allah commanded human beings with is
the etiquette for dress, the etiquette for how to appear in public, right, when to the way we are allowed to dress in front of different types of people. So for the Muslim woman, 100, a lot less pantalla revealed in the Quran versus telling us to cover in a certain way, when we go out in public, when we're in front of men who are not, are morons, meaning closely related to us, with certain relationships.
And I would say it's a type of uniform. I think that's the best way to really conceptualize it, you know, it's a type of uniform. It's not the type of clothes that you wear all the time. It's not what you would wear at home, or when you're relaxed, when you're with women only or when you're with your family. But Allah, Allah, Allah, in his infinite wisdom, taught us as Muslim woman, and he gave men as well of course guidelines for their dress.
But for us, it's much more visible, I guess.
Allah, Allah, Allah taught us to dress a certain way, when we go in public, and it's a type of uniform. And the verses in the Quran, the main versus that Allah, Allah talks about this is our in sort of more and social.
Right and so
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31 and then the meaning of this, let me translate it inshallah, Allah Subhana Allah says to the prophets, Allah Allah and to the men he says and tell the believing women
to lower their gazes.
Okay, so before this a lot of thoughts are meant to lower their gaze is to lower their gaze is from looking at the bit and things and to protect their private parts from illegal acts and not to show off their Xena one moment to the beauty except that which is apparent, okay.
And to draw them hamari hana which means the Hamas which is something you wear on your head to draw the head coverings, allergy all over their bodies, okay. And some of the scholars said this includes the face and other said it means all over their bodies, their necks, their ears, you know all of this kind of area
and the front of the chests as well and not to reveal the Xena that would adornment except to
their brothers or their brothers sons or their sisters sons or the other Muslim women
or their sisters in Islam or
yeah, I think there was a disturbance there but let's carry on inshallah.
So let's move on it gives a list of the type the people who a woman is allowed to show her beauty to okay.
So we said the women or female slaves on what their right hand possess old male servants who lacked vigor or small children who have no sense of these things and then and let them not stamp their feet start to reveal what they hide OF THE JEWELRY AND adornment and all of you that
are believers that you may be successful. And then in total
I am number 59 last for Hamlet Allah says that we'll be learning in the shape on energy. Yeah, you have nothing you
Cooley as logical fanatical when he said Nina, you the Nina la hindlimb Angela BB Hannah valleca, Adena? Ruffner fella you name What can a logo full of a Hema that all profits tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks or in the Arabic it is.
You Nina Ella Hina ninjalah Db Hannah to draw the beep okay over themselves
that is better for them that they will be known and recognized as believing women and not be
harmed in any way. And Allah is oft forgiving, Most Merciful.
So these are the two key verses I would say.
There are other
addresses, especially the wives of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. But in these verses, you know, I showed Ilan, how she said
that when these verses were revealed,
when the verses, you know, draw
the veils over their bosoms was revealed, that the women, they took some government of theirs, and they took them and made them suitable for themselves. And they covered themselves with it. And she says they covered their faces with it. So some of the scholars of Islam, they said that, you know, they interpreted some of these verses to include the face. So to cover everything, the whole body when we go out,
including the face and to leave the eyes, you know,
and other interpreted to mean everything except the face and hands, and that's because of other ahaadeeth and other evidences.
And so the main thing that we need to know as Muslim women is that covering of the face is an Islamic practice. You know, it's part of our
Dean, the wives of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam they covered their faces, we know that for a fact, from various a hadith and also from the fact that in the Quran, Allah told them that they have an extra level of hijab that they must adhere to. So it is an Islamic practice, the scholars of Islam considered it to be, at least was the hub, meaning something that is recommended and rewarded and rewardable Charla, in terms of covering the face. But if we talk about what the minimum is,
that the that the scholars agree upon, that will be everything except the face and the hands. And
with which we cover should be something that's loose, that's not you through that, you know, you said it's not tight, that it's not a dazzling display in and of itself, you know, it's not something that's going to attract a lot of attention because of its color or its style in and of itself. So, as long as a person is within these guidelines, and inshallah inshallah Allah, although some scholars did say in times of fitna that, you know,
women should cover their faces, and it becomes obligatory for them to do. So.
If we talk about what the majority of scholars say, today, I would say, you know, at least covering everything
is obligatory for the Muslim woman. And when we as Muslim woman, verses and we hear these, you know, that loss of Allah tala, our Lord, our Creator, is the one who is telling us, you know, that draw your clothes over, and then the translation or the explanation of jollibee in this ayah is,
how to garments that a person just covers everything with, you know, that's what, that's what it was at that time. So, it's like something that you would probably your normal clothes with, you know,
if we look at these verses, and we see the way Allah subhanaw, taala, is addressing us, I think we should see this as a last kanatal his love for us. Last kanatal is commanding us because he wants to protect us. And he knows what's good for us. And so, in that kind of spirit, I would say, we take these verses, and we listen, and we obey inshallah. So I hope that
answers your question. I know that my answer has been quite general. But that's because I think, I think we should focus on the most important thing, and that is,
you know, that what the, at least what the majority of scholars have said, and what the minimum is that we want women all over the world to do.
So, so you use the virtual RV? That was in the ayah. So, Tel Aviv is an extra garment that you cover yourself with.
Yeah, I mean,
you could say that it's,
some of the scholars said, it's an outer garment that you you a bit like, you know, an obeah that we know of today, or something cloth that, you know, like a charter like that covers.
Yeah, but obviously, as time changes, and we know that Islam, you know, it came from different places at different times and different cultures. So different cultures and different people have interpreted or have acted upon these verses in different ways, slightly different ways. And there's some accommodation for that in Islam. So, you know, as long as whatever the garment is that a person is wearing outside, as long as it is loose, it's not see through, you know, it covers the shape of the body, it covers everything except the face on hand. And for those who believe that the faces also should also be covered and including the things then inshallah come under the category of
jollibee inshallah, I should be simple and not attractive as well.
Sorry, it should be very simple and not not attractive. Yes, it should not be a reenactment of itself, you know? And that's one of the things in our times that you know, when you go to the shops now, if you want to buy some Islamic clothes, one thing you find is
it's almost like they put jewels on the clothing now right on the buyer.
these verses Allah, Allah is saying
To cover your jewels, right? Literally cover your jewels, your beautification, whatever you use for beautification, you should cover it. So one of the things I say to sisters is, all all sisters should have an ePub in their wardrobe somewhere.
And the reason is, you know, we as women, that sometimes we might go out, we might want to wear makeup, we beautify our faces, you know, when we're going to a wedding, whatever.
And that's when we have beautified ourselves in that way.
A couple of things, you know, we should
we've obviously added an extra level of beautification, right. So right for us to cover our face in that situation. And of course, it will be muster help. So the more we do that, in sha Allah, the right intention, Allah subhanaw taala we reward us for that, inshallah. Yeah, that's, I think that's excellent. Like if someone is having extra Miko and going to the party. So and then they don't do the niqab. So at that time, at least when they're going out, don't show their beauty to the other person who is not not.
and have your niqab on?
what's happened is people think people nowadays think you have to be on Nickleby on Nickleby, you know, I think you make a decision. It's like, your identity.
But yeah, I think it was looking at it like that, you should think to ourselves, you know, okay, if you don't, if you don't hold the opinion that the face is obligatory to cover, there's lots of evidence that it is not,
then fine. But at least when you have, I don't know you've Worn Lipstick, you know, what is the function of lipstick, if you think about it, the
make you more beautiful, it's to bring retinal redness or color to the lips, and to the rest of the makeup, the eye makeup, etc, to make your face look more dramatic, more beautiful. And you know, more of that during
during intimacy, okay. Naturally, a woman's face becomes redder, and her lips become redder. So there is something there that a person is doing to beautify themselves, that has a connection with being attractive to the opposite sex No, is
deniable that that's what it is, right? And so, when we
and there's nothing wrong with wearing makeup, there's nothing wrong with beautification. You know, we should, as Muslim women, we should take care of ourselves, we should take care of our clothes and clothes, we should beautify offer for our husband, in our family settings. But when we're going out, okay, and other men are not related to us are going to we're going to see us then we should we should have a bleed off for ourselves, you know, you know, this will motivate our VEDA the sense of protectiveness and jealousy for our
for our own dignity and
right that no,
no other man should be looking at us and feeling attracted or that our beauty should be for our families and for ourselves. So, I would like us to move away from this feeling that I either have to decide if I am a macabre or not, you know, instead of that we should
we should choose the path of modesty you know, and especially beautified ourselves we should cover that
even if we don't
you know face
and a lot of us of course we're going to go out to the massages from for those countries where there's the massages are open and you know they don't people are going to go out for the eat Salah. But I would implore my sisters that yes, you should wear smart clothing should wear clothing that is clean and ironed, etc. But there's a difference between the indoor Clozaril, right, the private space and the public space. There needs to be a difference between the clothing we wear in public and the clothing we're in private. And unfortunately what's happened is that has become a little bit mixed up.
people are trying to turn the heat job itself into a beautification right turning it into
the true meaning of
go out for you. You know, definitely when you're with your families and your men, your your friends and your family and children and women,
of course, dress as you wish. But when it comes to being out in public, you go to the masjid, etc. You know, you should make sure that you're covered properly. And that your beautification is hidden, it's not something that is on display.
Yeah, I can understand what you said you want a you said that, like, we should be very modest and very simple so that we are not attracting the opposite gender.
and as you said, like, you know, Muslim sisters have got beautiful and different styles of abayas and scarves. And sometimes they are very attractive, especially when they have like, dazzling pearls on it. Especially. Yeah, exactly. So in other words, we've taken the jewels that we would wear inside and we put them on the outside. So you kind of
have the outer garment route, the government is supposed to conceal the jewels, as we can see in
this in this ayah do not stamp your feet, right.
where, you know, these were anklets on their feet, you know, like these.
I don't know what you call them in order to but
you know, the things that you put on your these a bit like a bracelet but for your ankle? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
Sound some sometimes it has little bells on it or something. Yeah. And so yeah, why
don't stomp your feet in such a way that people can know what all dressed up.
that the whole spirit of the hijab is that when it comes to our normal beautification, our jewelry our you know, Allah, Allah does not stop us from doing that. But he just says, to cover that when we're going out and when the presence of non Muslims. Okay. Okay, so we've got like a few, like the terms that is used as a job and then there's an A pop that Mr.
Like, we'll have a brief description of that, and then we'll move on to the next question. Can you just let us know that hey, john, in most of the time.
People say john, I don't know what what it's like in the east, but definitely in the West, when we say he job we talk about the Muslim woman's dress, it can mean anything. Actually, it can mean anything to do with the Muslim woman's dress, it can be either a scarf or something like this, this is how people in common language use use the word hijab, right? If you were to go towards like a shop, you want to show you all of the scarves basically right?
In the Convo the web is usually used for some kind of a curtain or a barrier. Yeah, a curtain or a barrier. So the wives of the Prophet sallallahu, Alayhi, wasallam, they were told that whenever somebody wants to speak to them, they have to speak to them from behind the hijab, meaning behind the curtain, right? Because they had an extra level of hijab that they would have to adhere to. So that's what the word who dabbles what it meant. And then what it means in modern times, niqab people will use to me in a face veil right something that covers the face chemo
is a word that is in the Quran or home or the plural of it, and it just means a head covering. So yeah, whatever you wear on your head
hmm okay. So who am i is the head covering all right.
Okay, next question is having a joint family system it becomes difficult to follow the commands of Allah subhanaw taala with regards to the whale. So can you please provide examples and various circumstances what is allowed and what is not allowed? Especially in warmer climates, it is very very difficult for for women to wear a veil.
when you say to wear the veil
the face as well or just Yeah, yeah. COVID the face Yeah.
To be honest, I would say,
if a woman really wants to
then make a decision. And so if she wants to do all the time in front of non veterans, then, as you can tell, I personally do not consider the
right from my watch, I don't consider it to be obligatory. And so
it's difficult for me to answer that question to be honest.
But if a system is going to wear the face veil, and even, you know, with all the non morons around her, then I would say that she wants to talk to her husband,
the type of environment, which will be conducive to living like that, right? So
as a Muslim woman, you know, Muslim woman has the right to have at least her own space room, right? Yeah, you have to live with others,
she can have enough space for her to have a little bit of,
but if it's proving to be too difficult, and if she doesn't consider the Nepal to be obligatory, then I would not personally ask her to put herself in that very difficult.
I would say, definitely maintain the hijab maintain all of the in a, you know, and don't beautify your face, etc, in front of them.
Definitely do not be loose in speech, you know, where you're, of course, you should be polite with the family members, you know, whoever they are. But there's no need to kind of sit cheek to cheek.
maintain a formal relationship? Yeah. Yeah, maintain a formal relationship.
And find ways I think this is the thing as Muslims, you know, even like, tomorrow, for example, right. And I'm going to have my round to my house. Now.
I would say that Muslims, especially in Muslim countries, they should. And I would say, I would encourage them to try to
design the houses in such a way that will be conducive to men and women being able to sit separately, for example, you know,
I know it's not easy for everyone. Okay. And I know that not everyone, that kind of space, and that kind of luxury, to be able to do that
comfortably. But as believers, we do our best thing, we can't, you can't ask the person to do more than to do their best
is when people think, oh, let's just forget about
this, just leave all these rules too difficult.
Or not wearing the job in front of them?
You know, right? Yes. So that is where it would become wrong. So what we do is we do our best you do your very best to maintain at least the minimum, the chart doesn't cover everything, but the faces
the correct add up and the correct etiquette.
Okay, what happens that like the whale changes the culture of the house? And is it's considered a physical barrier between you and your non Muslims and being in this setting. It's very difficult to make a positive influence. So how can you make a positive influence because it is considered a showstopper? in communication?
To be honest, I think this is just the perception that people have, you know, who might not be
wearing the face veil.
I would say that unless, you know, maybe, if you're, if a woman's husband feels doesn't feel very strongly about it, if he does feel that she should wear
then of course, she should just do her best. It's not
her job to do that with all the men of the house, you know, it's not her role to do that. That role is
But it's, it is proving to be difficult. If it is something that they don't consider to be obligatory, then I would say, you know, it's not obligatory and so any, you can make sure that the other
aspects of the job are maintained. Yeah. And that the formality is maintained. I don't think that the veil in and of itself causes problems. It's just the way I perceive it, perhaps that causes problems for people who aren't used to it.
So, so it's the way anyone perceives it. Okay. So, uh, why do women who wear the veil come off as more judgmental of others? So how do you advise? What would you advise sisters or mothers?
So you mean, women? Who were the face, though? Yeah. Okay.
Um, again, I don't think that that's true. You know,
sometimes I think, I think in all types of people, there are harsh people. And sometimes there are, you know, more compassionate people. Maybe people have had some bad experiences. Of course, none of us as believers should be looking down on anyone else. You know, but sometimes I think people feel that somebody is being judgmental, because they actually feel guilty themselves, you know,
times if they're not obeying the law, and they're not doing the right thing. And they have some sense of guilt, that when they see women are the people who are doing that thing. They feel judged by them, you know, but actually, you know, most people are just getting on with their lives. I think they're just trying to practice Islam practice that in themselves.
But of course, I will say that
wearing the hijab, wearing the niqab, this doesn't automatically make a person, you know, exonerate them. Any other sins, you know,
all of us,
we should all obey Allah. But there could be people who don't wear that job was struggling, maybe they're, they're on a journey. They're, they're trying, maybe they might have better characteristics in other ways, right. However, we can't take away from the fact that wearing the hijab is a command from Allah, Canada. And so, of course, it's better. It's, it's the thing that women should be doing.
I think, when we're discussing this, I feel like sometimes where I'm not sure if you're talking about the face veil, or you're talking about, you know, covering in general, because I know that in many of our countries, you know,
women don't even have a job, right. Yeah, they've lost that sense. You know, I'm not sure that off is maybe a bit more, but I've lived in Egypt, I know places like Buxton and even India, Muslims in India, you know, there has been good generally.
I would say people have become quite lacks, about even the basics, right. So, I would say I would rather address the basics of the job, rather than talk about the nipple, you know, huh? Yeah. And the basics contain a lot of things as you said, like the modesty and maintaining a certain distance for the non Muslim. Yeah.
Okay. Um, so it's just a, it's like, my husband really wants me to wear the niqab, but I find it very difficult. So do I have to obey Him? Or vice versa? Like, I don't know, the other way around as well?
you know, one of the things that Lost Planet Allah commanded us, as Muslim woman with is to obey our husbands. So if your husband is asking you to do something good, is asking you to do something, and
it's not something that's going to harm you. In other words, it's not, you know,
you're not going to be in some kind of medical harm or some kind of, you know,
problem in sha Allah. Yeah. Then of course, you should obey Him. Yeah. Because that is what pleases Allah. Allah Subhana. Allah says if a woman prays her five prayers and fasting a month, and the husband Yeah, and the sound of the things I've forgotten,
protects her chastity. Then it will be getting home that she can enter into Jenna
from any of its doors, right? So obeying the husband is a part about
wanting you to do something that you find extremely difficult and don't think you can do or then it's a case of negotiating no case of negotiate. Just as when we are living with our parents, our parents asked us to do something, if we don't want to do it, we wouldn't negotiate with them, you know? Yeah. And a woman, she,
you know, reason with him,
find out all the reasons why she wants to, she doesn't want to do it express that,
you know, does she fall in danger? Or does she have some medical issue or whatever?
Otherwise, I would encourage
our sisters that, you know,
considering this is important. Yeah. Okay. And if, if the sister wants to have niqab and the husband just say, like, Don't take it. So.
So this is the same thing, as he said, like, mutual understanding?
Well, if she believes that it's obligatory, yeah. Then, you know, it means that she is convinced that it's obligatory, and it's an obligation from Allah for her
own way, in all situations, I would say, if there is some kind of tension or there's some kind of conflict, then we should always try to negotiate with the person who we're talking to, you know, you should try to treat with our spouse just as we would for anything, right.
Yeah, rather than having fights or,
you know, talking about what's my right and what's your right, rather than having that kind of relationship and that kind of conversation, better to have
a mutually respectful conversation where you are able to express each other, express yourself and come to
come to some kind of agreement.
All right. Um, so for marriage.
Of course, if a husband
if a husband is asking his wife
to uncover what is considered to be our
obligatory which I believe is everything but the face in hand, he's asking
if he's asking her to beautify herself in public, asked her to do like that, which is wrong, then of course, you should, she should not be in that.
And also, like, some some time, what happened is I like some women, they start practicing Diem, and then they start covering and the husbands are not ready. So in that case,
a sister like should explain and and should wait. Sometimes it happened. It happened in the past, like a lot of sisters has faced this issue as well. their husbands are not ready, even for them to bear the job or like the basic covering of heads.
lost that sense of protectiveness over their wife over their women.
And what happened is the opposite, that some men they would actually like the font that they're wiping over there wipe is attractive in public. Okay, so this is a major sin in Islam, no one will wipe you uncover in public is a medicine.
That was that the practical salon called they use?
The Alpha is basically a man who
they use the women or they encourage the women to appear in public in in a certain way,
in an incorrect way.
Again, you know, there is no obedience to the creation.
Yeah, there's no creation
in disobedience to Allah so
you don't disobey a law in order to obey the creation. Right. So, sister of course with hikma with a lot of wisdom, all of us you know if if we're going down a certain spirit
journey, we should be trying to take our families with us. No, we should be trying to take our families with us.
with kindness, it shouldn't be what we are studying the mean, we're studying so much, and we're just developing ourselves.
We should be sharing that with our families, we should be should be fitting with our husbands and saying to them, what is our vision for our family? You know, what kind of family do we want to have?
together, you formulate that vision? And, and so that you're both on the same page, you know,
but if it so happens that
is not there. And
obeying alignment, the obligatory things, and he isn't, then she shouldn't disappear. You know, she should try her best to obey Allah to convince her husband to bring him.
Okay, Joe. All right. for marriage proposals. What at? How much? Is it allowed to see off a prospective candidate?
Okay, generally speaking, from my research,
you know, when you're going to see somebody for marriage, if a man is going to see a woman for marriage, yeah, then he can have face and hands. You know, generally speaking, that's what he should, he should be able to see her face and hands. And he's allowed to look at them, as well. And of course, it's in the presence of
any other people, right? It's not in private. And that's generally speaking the guidelines, if he wants more of an idea of what she looks like, etc, he can ask a female relative, the scholars generally say, you know, you can ask a female relative to look at her. And to mention to him, if he's serious, any to mention to him what she looks like, etc. Without any job.
But generally speaking, that is what the scholars are agreed on.
Right, it's only the face of the house, as he said.
Yeah, I mean,
you can actually look at her without her job as well, you know, um, but most of the fatawa that I've read, they tend to say, you know, just
to be a bit on the safe side, they would say, you know, the face and the hands are sufficient.
So, so going back to the Nepal, the Nepal has a very negative connotation in the east
as a cloth, other people in the lower classes they were. So how we combat How should we combat this thinking and approach?
When you say the east, what do you mean? Like, like, I'm sorry, India, and yeah, subcontinent region.
Do you feel that it's like that in the Arab countries as well?
Oh, don't necessarily, but in our in our country, sometimes the women who wear niqab there are sometimes they are looked up, looked down upon.
So you mean countries like Kazakhstan? Yeah. Pakistan, India? Yeah. Okay. Well,
so Panama? I would say no.
That's a shame. That's a real shame. Because, you know, countries like Pakistan were built for the sake of Islam, right. The whole foundation of Pakistan is the land of the pure people, right, the land of the Muslims. And
we know that the mothers of the believers, they wore the niqab. They covered their faces. And it's a Muslim practice to wear the hijab. I know that even in places like Pakistan and India, unfortunately,
people have stopped wearing Hijab even right now. We're not just talking about the niqab here. Even covering of the hand covering the body has become any something that people are not doing. So I'll say this, to change this perception.
We need to do more data. We need to invite people and remind them of what the purpose and the point of being a Muslim is to obey Allah Subhana Allah and that, you know, as Omar bin al Hubbard said, he said, we were a nation.
That's a law honored, he gave us a visa through Islam. Yes, we try to claim honor through any other means, then we will be humiliated, we will be humiliated. So I'll say to my Pakistani, and my Muslim sisters in the east,
you know, what differentiates you from the Hindus? What differentiates you? People know if it is your deen, if it is the fact that you believe in Allah Subhana Allah. Yeah, then part of the reason also believing in Allah is Allah and realize that we are Muslims, our Iza our sense of honor comes from Islam. It does not come from our way of life does not come from following you know, copying bollywood, for from copying any other culture. We have our own culture. We own that celebrate that. So I think we need to increase the power in all different classes of people in society. And
shala, I'm noticing that more and more
more people seek knowledge of Islam, the more you become committed Allah, and inshallah, this perception is definitely changing.
Yeah. Okay. So what's the best way to advise our sisters
who are who are not wearing their hijab or niqab? Like most of the sisters understand, for it to be compulsory, but they find it difficult to Avira, especially due to peer or extended family pressures. So what do you advise?
I think the first thing is that look,
you know, when a person's email is strong, when they get to a certain level of one, then they don't care anymore, what people think they care for what a lot of things become stronger than they care for what other people think. Right? So I think our focus always has to be in lifting the level of demand of the people, you know, so it's not necessarily just preaching about the hijab, right? It's about
reminding people and reconnecting them with Canada. So you know, we have this idea in some of the rich, okay, between learning and seeking knowledge in degrees in order in a certain order. So I would say, the first thing is that a person needs we need to encourage an increase the level of literacy, or education in our community, with regards to
our knowledge of a lot of Allah and our mana, again, so I'll connect the Quran, the connection to the Quran, because the more a person, the more a person is connected to a lot connected to the Quran. And publishing, the Salah is established, you know, the five pillars, okay? Which are the most important, the more a person does those obligatory things, one more, they will be likely to be able to and want to align other areas. So there's no point, I would say, oh, there's very little point in neglecting the salaah, for example, which is a problem, right? I know that a lot of people don't pray.
But we get very upset when we see a sister who's not wearing a job. We don't get upset if she doesn't pray. You know, there's something wrong there. The following is way more important than anything
that's over here. So we have to make sure that we're focusing on the right thing, and that we're doing tarbiyah which is developing and nurturing and educating people in the right order. And that begins with our human, our knowledge of a lot about Allah, our connection to Allah, and with the Salah. And I think if we focus on those things, and we focus on reconnecting people with the poor, and then in sha Allah, the other aspects of Islam will follow.
I would, I would reach out to my sisters and I will say to them, we need to create situations where it's easy to age up, right? So I know how it feels. You know, when I was at school, I went to school with non Muslims. Right? I was the only girl who's wearing Hijab in my school
and people would make fun of me
People would sometimes make jokes, or say some racist things, you know. But generally speaking, me being present there. People respected me a lot, you know, generally speaking, people respected me. So over time I gained their respect.
And I would say that I realized, from my experiences at school, that it's very important for us as believers to be around the sorts of people who will make it easy for us to be Muslim, to be believers to practice Islam, right? So if you have a circle of friends, who,
who are making it hard for you, to obey Allah, then are they really good friends? Are they really the sort of friends that you want to have? We have to ask that, right? Because the proper way Sallam said that a person is upon the religion of companion of his brother, right? So we are, who we accompany. So,
for example, we should make sure that our daughters have good company, that they go to gatherings where they meet other other women who are wearing a job. I remember I met a sister, many years later. And she said to me, one day we were all sharing and how did we start wearing a job. And one of the sisters, she said, you know, the reason why I started job is, because I saw 40, my family and 14, his mother
used to work. And because of that, we copied them. And
so sometimes it takes one person, it takes one family, to take a stand, and to do the right thing. And in short, a lot of people will come come towards it. But I want to say one thing to all my sisters out, thinking, you know, I find it so hard to get the job, I want to wear it, cetera, et cetera. I'll say to you, you know, my dear sisters, if you ever have seen a person, when they've walked away, a sister who's passed away,
you'll see that on the day that that sister passes away, and she's being buried, she will be put in a job.
You know, so my sisters, sooner or later, as Muslim women, you are going to wear a hijab. If you don't wear hijab, during your lifetime, when you're buried in the ground, when people are putting the cuffs on you. One part of the caption is the job that they will put on you.
To my sisters, don't grow, don't allow the only day that you want the job to be the date that you died. Because you're no longer
you know, so I think it's really important for all of us. put that into perspective and realize that but what about the job? Forget about all the ruling. Think about?
Think about the person who your disability disappearing along your Creator, the one who gave you everything
who gave me which he
was the one who gives up? And then he told us how we should you?
Should we not obey Him? Of course, we should obey Him. Because the one who
pretty much asked what my next question was. My next question was for the young girls
who do not want to cover the chest or want to wear the loose clothing. And a lot of girls wear very tight clothing. Even the abayas are very skin tight.
So I guess like you have pretty much covered the answer here. would you would you like to
say that we need to grow our daughters up from a young age to have a sense of how, you know, if up to quite an old age you're getting you're allowing them? Look, is that higher is something that has to be nurtured. Right? Yes, human beings are born with a natural sense of hate, but it has to be protected and nurtured. You know, if you go to gym if you go to the gym in the UK, okay.
And you go to the changing words.
Women in the women's changing rooms, nobody will care to walk around completely naked. I'm not joking, okay. Because it's normal for them. Because for them Thus there is nothing immodest about women being
naked in front of other women.
So, sometimes when I've seen that, I think to myself, how did it get to the situation where
women think there's nothing wrong with this. And we would never even dream of it, we would never even dream walking around like that in front of another woman forgets about.
And the reason
for it is because a sense of hierarchy has to be nurtured, whatever,
this is what we think is higher, this is what we think is, right.
because we as Muslim women from a young age, or parents taught us that, you know, knock on the door before you come in, when you're going to
be private, even other person, have a certain way, etc. Because of all these add up all the adaptive Islam
the sense of higher
somebody else to
marry clearance to notch with a sense of height, it's not something you should suddenly you can't suddenly put it on somebody. They have to have age, you know?
Can you hear me?
Okay, just bear with
me, I think that's been a very, kind of very heartwarming question and
verifying a lot of points, I'm sure which has.
there are quite a few questions, I will try to take only those questions, which actually have not been discussed already in the show. So whosoever has just joined late, I would request them to keep going the beginning. And we lost the show data, because you're
in some part of the show, so I'm just going to be sharing those questions, which have not been discussed so far. So the first question is, as you can see on the screen now,
notice one cover and exercise in public.
I'll tell you, why do I just wear a very loose Avaya, loose hijaab loose clothing, you know, just what I would normally wear? And
the main type of exercise that you could do in public walking, I think, you know, and, and, of course, there's nothing wrong with walking in public and other forms of exercise, I would say, you know, we need to create spaces where sisters Can, can do these things in a conducive space. Even though we live in London, believe it or not, there are women's only gyms here.
Yeah, there are, there are women going to main times,
and hamdulillah. And that didn't just come out of nowhere. It's usually because Jewish women and Muslim women requested that you know, and because they asked that, no, we want this want this and the men supported them, and they will they built, swimming,
etc. So in my local area, for example, we have a Jewish run gym. And even though the people who run the gym, they're not religious, they care about the women in their community, right. So they created women only times they created
women's only gym space. So
for us in, you know, in our communities to create those spaces.
It's not impossible, especially in Muslim countries, I can't understand why those facilities.
For example, I can give you a number of examples in the Middle East.
That they are very, very expensive to kind of the memberships are very expensive. So the reason Gani, it's much more easier to for example, for a sister to let's say, to walk in a park or to I don't know, to just do some sort of exercise in the public rather than joining the gym members cabinets of gym memberships, because they're really
so what is the adding the loop closing is one for example can define
can they bicycle
I mean, I think it's very much to do with
can they maintain recovering? while they're in that situation? Right?
So is it possible to maintain the covering and maintain a person's modesty without showing parts of the body? And
in those situations, if it's possible, then it could be possible. You know, though, there were women at the time of the prophet SAW Selim, I'm sure who rode on horses and camels, right.
But you have to maintain you maintain your clothing, you maintain your, you know, the looseness of the clothing, etc. If you can do that, then fine. But I think that depot needs to do that we need to create spaces, even if it's outdoor spaces, right? Um, where women can have a bit of freedom, right.
And apart from that, I would say that Alhamdulillah nowadays, you know, during lockdown, I think a lot of people realized that there's so much you can do even within your own home, you know, if you really want to exercise, there are so many videos, there are so many people online.
How to exercise.
so we should take the better approach, you know, if we have some doubt been able to maintain our modesty, then we can exercise in our own homes in sha Allah. Otherwise, I think it is a community responsibility for us to create
When is possible, and affordable for people in trauma
dominated allowed to wear them in front of a female?
I can't tell you
the burqini the burqini that allowed for the for the serving costume, the bikinis? Is it allowed to wear in front of the homes and sisters?
You know, personally, I've never seen a burqini that is actually that covering, you know.
like, I've got a book in myself. And, you know, the only place where I would wear something like that is on a woman's own in the beach, or something like this, you know, women's only swimming facilities. Because the way that the burpees are, they're very,
you know, they cling on to the body. So if you go into the water and you count come out,
the the type of material it's made off, it would be very tight, and it would show a woman show, etc. So I'm afraid I don't consider it Okay, for that to be worn in front of
Okay, long question that form, you can read it on the screen now. Okay, you know, when they come May Allah bless you, for the man who is trying this in this event. What do you say about my job is
trying to discourage and dissuade other women who strive to wear the job by arguing that it's not what you wear that matters, but what's in your heart and your genuine conduct. They argue, for example, that prostitute could be a job he or she wants, but that doesn't make her any more pious than a normal job in general characters perceived to be better.
Well, this is a this is a logical, this is fallacious logic, you know, incorrect logic.
The point is, that a loss kind of the allow creator has commanded us to do something. So we should do it. We should do it. And in not doing it is our own loss is our we are selling okay. And we are liable to be punished by Allah.
I've heard these kinds of arguments, you know, so Panama, my sisters and brothers
was like, What do you think it was like in the UK, in London? In the 1980s and the 1970s. When my parents came here, you would never see a derby. All of the Pakistanis Indians, you know, Muslims from all over the world in London.
Nobody wants to look like a Muslim, right?
That's what it was like in the UK.
And slowly but surely you'll see that Alhamdulillah the next generation, the generation, who were brought up in the UK, were born in the UK and caught up in the UK and in the West. They rediscovered their Deen, they read the Quran, the message of Islam, and they came back to Islam and they decided to wear the hijab to obey Allah, to not be afraid to pray in public, and to be a Muslim in public, right? The reason why we do is the reason why we say things like, or the hijab is backward, or there's no need and is because we have a colonized mindset. We have a colonized move that you remember that the Westerners, the British, the white people, right, basically, from the west, they
came and colonized Muslim countries, right. And one of the things that they would do is they would treat the people who were less religious, the people who were willing to let go of the hijab, people who were willing to let go of them, they used to treat them better, and consider them to be of a higher status than the people who adhere to the dean and the whole and held strong to the dean, right. And this mindset, of sense of superiority, right, has continued to stay with us in our communities. You know, so Pamela, you can see, you know, there's a, there's an historian called Franz Fanon. He wrote about how the French
conducted the policy in Algeria, okay. And this is what he says, He says, the French colonizers in Algeria, and by the way, this is what European countries did in all the different Muslim countries, even in India,
right, the Muslims in India also have to go through this type of thing. But especially in Algeria, it was very, very obvious. I read what he said, he said that the Algerian policy, or sorry, the French policy in Algeria, was they said, if we want to destroy the structure of Algerian society,
it's for resistance, we must first of all, conquer the women
behind the veil, that they hide themselves.
And so they created
those families who became more westernized and more Europeanized, they will rewarded, they were rewarded with status are rewarded with positions in government like that, right? So this colonized mindset has stayed with us until today, right? We respect somebody if they go and study in the West, right? If they study and we look down on it, why? Why don't we read what the Bible said, you know, sapan allows reading and you know, I'm from the east, I only started I'm from the east originally, but I'm actually from the west I, I just speak Hebrew in a very basic kind of way, right, then my parents taught me but even I feel so inspired when I read the poetry of a cabal, where he constantly
saying to people, stop being impressed by the West, stop being impressed by the West. The West, looks good on the outside, right? It's very shiny on the outside. But believe me, when you grow up in these countries, you realize that there is a lot, there is a there are lots of social problems. There are lots of social ills, right? And just because of the technology just because of the outward image of the West, you know, sometimes people in Muslim countries get dazzled by it. But believe me, you know, I grew up with girls who, from the west, girls who are pressured, who are pressured into having sexual relationships from a very young age, you know, they have a problem here of teenage
pregnancies, where girls are becoming pregnant outside of marriage. And then there's all these unwanted children, unwanted babies, and then men who will not look after the children and then single mothers having to look after bring up children. And, you know, there's all sorts of problems in the West due to
the Western lifestyle and due to their lack of
the moral principles, right? The US Canada.
So my dear sisters, don't look down on the guidance of Allah. Look down on the guidance, the gifts that Allah gave you, you know, our success will come when we come back to the deal.
It will not come from any other place, I will repeat the same, the same of Homer. You know we are we are a people Allah gave us
he gave us is that through Islam? If we try to have a PSA from any other place, we will be humiliated.
Oh, that's right. Absolutely.
You can see another question on the screen now.
If a girl started doing shut a barber, think that's what it says. Why her choice but
because of her the relative pressure she has to leave. She's left it, she'd be punished for it.
Look, of course
must obey Allah, Allah and there's no obedience to the question.
By disobey Allah, we don't do that. Right? We don't disobey a lie in order to please the creation. However, if a person is coerced, if they're forced, then no. And they don't have a way out. Then, of course, Alaska, Canada knows what's in the person's heart. Right. And I know that that person is doing it out of.
But I would like to strengthen my brothers and sisters in the list. And I would like to tell you about the new Muslims, you know, so Pamela, in the West, we have converts to Islam, right. Sisters and brothers who convert to Islam, whose parents get very upset sometimes, you know, that they became Muslim. Sometimes these brothers and sisters pray in private and secret. You know, I remember one sister telling me that she, she was her mother used to get so upset, becoming a Muslim, that she used to go to the cheap the only place she could pray was in the in the bathroom. You know, so Pamela.
let us keep in perspective, you know, the struggle. Initially, there is struggle, many brothers and sisters, even here in the West, you know, when they first started practicing, when they first started wanting to be religious, praying, even their parents, even though their parents were from Muslim countries sometimes, because their parents were not practicing Muslims or not particularly knowledgeable or not particularly religious. They would say to them, what are you doing? You're becoming too religious, right.
But over time, those
those young people, they kept practicing their Deen they treated their parents with a lot of respect. And over time for Pamela, you see how the parents became religious afterwards, you know, because of their children because of their children. So I think being an on, off of truth takes patience. It takes perseverance. No, don't give up.
Keep trying and working on people. And you'll see that inshallah, through your efforts, the rest of your family will also become come back to the demon sha Allah. May Allah make it easy for everyone
to be covered when a Muslim woman is to make solok and please elaborate.
okay, um, so everything except the police enhanced pay, and some of the scholars said the feet can also be uncovered. Okay. The feet below the ankles. But the opinion you read from what from what I've read, and when you read the power, the safer opinion is to cover everything except the face enhance?
Well, the solar Yeah.
In the Muslim wedding culture, specifically, women were very short. skin tight, low necks and sleeveless attire in front of
other women. Yeah. To what extent is this allowed?
Look, I think when it comes to being in front of other women, is fine. You know, I think sometimes
I've been to weddings like Arab weddings, and I've been to, obviously I've been to Asian weddings, Pakistani Indian weddings, and the culture in India and Pakistan.
Hence, we not to uncover, like, you know, not to wear very tight clothing from, from what I've seen, not to uncover certain parts of the body, etc. But actually in front of other women, there's nothing wrong. Okay, there's nothing wrong with, for example, having a plunging neckline. There's nothing really wrong with that, you know, I don't think we should be too strict when it comes to,
you know, when it comes to the Hello, right? Sometimes we might have some cultural sensitive sensibilities, right, that make us feel that that's a bit strange, right? So for example, showing the shoulders, that's not very culturally for Asians. That's not the norm might have changed, I don't know. But you know, usually it's not the norm. But in an Arab wedding, for example, it's quite normal for women to show their shoulders, right.
So, and also to show their legs. So I would say that there's nothing wrong with that as long as the outer up between. So the older for women with other women is between the navel and the knee, right?
Or at least what they would normally cover in front of a mirror. Right?
So I would say that the rules are a bit more relaxed. I don't think we should be too harsh, you know, fashion keeps changing. And as long as the order is covered, and as long as no desires are being incited, right.
Even in women's Settings, then inshallah, okay? No, I'm just like, for example, even dancing, right? in Asian weddings, usually, in religious families, you'd hardly ever see dancing. But
in Arab weddings, you know, even sometimes, the weddings of the family of the shoe, right? You go to their weddings, dancing is normal. As long as it's like women only, they would dance, and maybe the Asians or the Indians, and Pakistanis will look at them and think that's a little bit modern, you know, but actually, you know,
it's within the guidelines, it's just that we have different cultures, sometimes, you know,
and sometimes we can be too strict about some things.
When actually we don't need to be, we don't need to be.
So inshallah, within the boundaries, we should, we should allow our daughters, and we should enjoy that setting. We shouldn't be overly strict. You know, I remember my mum was telling me that, when they were young, they used to consider makeup to be very, something shameful, you know, in religious families. But actually, there's nothing wrong with makeup is something It's okay. You know, as long as it's
in the halaal setting, right. So I think we should put more emphasis on doing things in the halaal way, and not be overly zealous and overly strict about the things that actually are allowed.
Well, look, all human beings have to make choices conducive to their lifestyles, their values, right? So as Muslims were no different, right?
My husband, and he's very careful about where he gets a job, because he doesn't want to deal with rebar, for example, right? He doesn't want to deal with interest transactions. In fact, in sometimes he's even given up a job because of that, right? So being a Muslim, forget about the hijab, and being a Muslim means you have to be careful in every area of life. Yeah. You be careful in every area of life to obey Allah because your risk, your money, your wealth, your provision is from Allah. So in order to get that provision, you don't disobey Allah. Right? So I think, you know, so Pamela, are hamdulillah in the West? Definitely. And I'm sure in many other countries and Muslim women,
Muslim men are very much a part of the economy, very much very active, very productive members of society in all different professions, in all different areas.
Of course, there might be some some professions that they will avoid, because they're not conducive to their values. And that's natural for all human beings. No, all human beings make that decision. So I think you can just look on LinkedIn, you know, website
like LinkedIn, you see so many sisters on a lot of all different job backgrounds, all different levels of education.
Excellent, the, you know, contributing
to society, even sisters who are mothers, you know, there are so many different ways to contribute to society. And
but our number one concern the brothers and sisters is not just this life, right? It's not just about this life, this life is just
a few days, life is just a matter of a few days. And real life is the life we're after. So we don't want to be highly successful in this life and then completely complete losers in the next life, right? We want we want to gain a lot of pleasure in the next life which is going to be forever right and the true success. So we're here on this earth for a few days, we should spend this time in obedience to Allah spend that time in obedience to Allah and that will bring us not only success in the next life, but in this life is women Sharma
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