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Muslims Respond To Joe Rogan who Speaks Openly About Islam (7 Myths Exposed)

A response to the Joe Rogan Experience about 7 Myths that our friend Joe Rogan and a few of his guests who have unfortunately been misleading the people with regarding to Muslims and Islam
along with a nice message for Joe Rogan God willing he accepts.

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Muslim country. But even in these countries, these Islamic countries

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that are throwing acid in the face, she suffered third degree burns when her ex boyfriend hired another man to throw acid in her face. These people that practice the Islamic religion have open the door as you would normally. And one motion bang. This is a guy called Yes. And that's the Those are the words David Phillips which we'll get onto him in just a moment. And these Islamic countries pay. The attack happened in daylight and downtown Vancouver, Washington.

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Salt Lake on greetings of peace. How are you guys doing? Welcome to the deen show. My special guest, Mustafa.

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Omar, how are you doing? I'm doing great. You've heard of our friend Joe Rogan. Rogan Rogan? Yes, I have. There's so many people that have been killed by drones that were absolutely innocent. A lot of them children. A lot of them women, a lot of them completely, you know, civilians. Yeah, some of he's pretty well known also in the jujitsu community, and I do jujitsu. So my students have brought to my attention. Some of his episode, he's had some great guests. They talked about nutrition and talk about sports. They talk about, you know, different random topics. But the the topics that he's talked about, are very of different ones. But but one that really caught my interest. And usually

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it's not just him, when people start talking about the thing that's most precious to me and yourself and over how many 1.7 billion Muslims and then they talk about Islam? Yeah, it really touches my heart. But it also kind of throws you off when they start talking. They don't check their facts. And they have an I've noticed he had some people, some supposedly experts on Islam, just, you know, candidly, just freely openly speaking about it, when you go back in fact, check. And that's one thing that people appreciate about Joe,

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is that he has the person in the back end, kind of checking the facts. But here's the thing, you know, even when you do go back, it's interesting that, and I believe it was in April of

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1979, something like that. Time magazine did an article discussing the amount it was like over a span, 100 years, over 60,000 publications, books were written against Islam, right. So that's the other thing. When you go back and you start, you know, fact checking, are you really actually checking the fact because you're going to the Islamophobia industry is so huge. It's a 200 plus million dollar industry. So I hope after this, Joe, he can invite someone like you, you're in California, or I'm in Southern California, yes. Yeah. That would be I think that would be great. You know, that would be

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being genuine, you know, because you got all these people coming on, you know, when you talk about Islam, and these obviously islamophobes. Right? Yeah. What do you what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean, someone who really hates Islam, they have an irrational fear of Islam, which is what Islamophobia is, right? They're gonna give you a very distorted view of what the religion represents. So it's, it's if someone is trying to be honest, they're trying to be objective, they like to do fact checking, then they should make sure they bring a person who actually can at least represent what the Muslim viewpoint is, and then weigh it and then do your fact checking and then

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decide between you know, what is fact and what is fiction? But that's exactly what needs to be done. Joe Rogan? I mean, we have a lot of things I think he's a pretty cool guy. You know, I think that you know, he does Jiu Jitsu he's into health he's into real eating real food, we talk about those things. And and I would pink to individual like it's Matt, you you've also trained a little bit jujitsu, right? Yes. And you know, for someone from the outside who doesn't know jujitsu, right? They can't really appreciate the technical aspect of it just like someone

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you know, coming on talking about Brazilian Gracie Jiu Jitsu and they're like, look at these guys. You know, karate are someone who's you know, because jitsu is not bad for bad for business taking over rice, probably most effective martial art. They're like, well, what they do is, you know, they get these guys between their legs, you know, and they try to get them tap out by having by squeezing them so hard between their legs that their guts come out or, you know, they put the arm lock on and they get their, their their buttocks so close to the like the the toxic air out of the rear come up, you know, just just ridiculous things, but they can make up stuff like this. That's an analysis.

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They're there. They're commenting, but these guys you know, have no Joe's an expert UFC commentator, right. Now someone comes on who's who doesn't know the sport or he's now they'll say this guy's a golfer, right? And he's commentating, you know, he's coming on. He has no clue what's going on in the ground. You can appreciate that. Now you're talking about Islam right and bringing on these excuse my language bozos. They don't know

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what really

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Islam urine Islamic scholar, and this term is was let's start with that Islamophobia. Joe even said that he said I'm islamophobe. I am Islamophobic said it. Yeah, that's that's very unfortunately, I saw that clip. And, you know, this idea of he doesn't realize what Islamophobia is, or what in fairness, he also said he was Krishna fault. Right. Yeah. So we don't know how to count. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, the context in which he was trying to say is that look, I criticize all religions, I don't like other religions, and I should have the right to criticize all of them. And yeah, from that perspective, he's got a point. Yes, he can criticize other religions. Sure, he can criticize

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Islam. But there's two things you should keep in mind. When you're criticizing Islam. You want to number one, at least be respectful. Right? You don't have to put everyone else down when you're criticizing them. Right. The that's that's intellectual integrity. And then the second aspect is when you're criticizing, criticize, correctly, criticize with actual facts, right? There are things you don't agree with. You don't have to agree with everything. You don't have to you don't have to accept Islam. But when you're criticizing, don't criticize false things. Right. And this is the problem with with some of these guests that he's been bringing on. And some of the comments that you

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know, Joe was making is that he's saying false things about Islam, attributing them to Islam, but they have nothing to do with Islam. Oh, no, false. No, totally false. I mean, this is misleading them. Yes, it's extremely misleading. And not only is it misleading, it's not only intellectually misleading, it actually causes violence. Islamophobia results in people, it results in mosques being burned around the country, people being shot in a mosque in Canada just a few months ago, it results in people dying from mosques being burned down to people being attacked for just looking like they might be Muslim. The alleged case here, where an Indian man was killed in Kansas, we saw an 87 and a

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half percent increase in hate crimes against Muslims. Well, those are official numbers from experts who study this day in, day out. That's not to say President Trump is necessarily responsible. So there appears to be a correlation. We don't know if it's a cause yet. But there appears to be a correlation between political rhetoric and hate crime. But it raises the question, could Trump do more to help stop it all? Here's what history tells us. Following the 911 attacks, hate crime spiked. Six days after those attacks, though, President George Bush spoke at the Islamic center of DC speaking of tolerance, and hate crimes dropped 66%. In the next six days, it results in people

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failing to get jobs. Because people are discriminating against Muslims. I mean, this is this is happening. This is a reality that's taking place. And Joe is feeding into, you know, putting more fuel on that fire, basically feeding into that propaganda machine that's taking place right now against the Muslims, particularly in the West. And that's something that he should be more careful about. Yeah. Where do you want to start? there's a there's a few here. There was a lot. He's over the years. He's brought on many people. So maybe we can do a continuation, but I think the start with Islamophobia, Islamophobia. So he's one of the guys he brought on, he comes up with this

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ridiculous idea that Islamophobia. You know, it was invented by the Muslim Brotherhood, right? Yeah. And actually, the term started, as you may or may not know, it started with the Muslim Brotherhood, and very smart strategy. And it's just this term, so that no one's allowed to criticize Islam. And that's not the point you go to any university in America. And there's articles, critics, you know, criticizing Islam, or whatever it is, right. But this is done in a respectful academic manner. It's not done in a hostile manner. There's a difference between that this idea of Islamophobia being invented by the Muslim Brotherhood, first of all, so what if it was but but what what what they're

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trying to say is that, you know, we should be scared of them, we should we should have this fear of what's going on. This is a complete, you know, this is a hoax. Basically, someone came up with this random idea. Islamophobia is a term that's been used for 100 years, in one of its earliest appearances, was used in a book written about the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in French. So in 1918, they were using the term Islamophobia in French, throughout the 20s. Throughout the 30s, I started to become more prevalent in the 70s and the 80s. And specifically after September 11, and with you know, rising Islamophobia that came out, this is so basic fact checking that he could have

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gone, he could have gone to, and I'm not going to advertise website, Robert Spencer is a guy who hates Muslims to the core. He's like, Matt, like the king of islamophobes. Basically, this guy had to come up with an article saying, Look, guys, we shouldn't make this argument because it has absolutely no basis whatsoever. So if there was fact checking going on, and I hope you know, he goes back and double checks this, this is just a false theory. So we shouldn't just keep throwing out all these red herrings which are, which are false is to distract people away from the topic.

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Yeah and that's not that's not being intellectually approaching the topic and it's not being genuine and i think i think Joe I mean I hope that this you know gets to him and we know some of the same people also it and I hope that he can he can take a turn towards the better and be more genuine in covering this because it's something that does like you said affect the lives of so many people so many people have because of Islamophobia The Hate Machine mosques are being burned down people are being killed. Leaders in the Chicago area demand a hate crime investigation after three Muslim students were killed in North Carolina this week. The students were shot in the head Tuesday, and

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their apartment complex is a very disturbing note filled with hate was found next to her at 1115. In the morning, the teen walks into the family skyview Street home to find two things, evidence of some kind of breaking in the rear of the home and her mother in a pool of blood on the dining room floor. Next to her mother, she says is a hateful note to the effect of go back to your native country. Several US cities investigations are underway in the possible hate crimes against Muslims. DeMarco Morgan is following this. surveillance video shows us suspect punching kicking and stomping on a Muslim teenager in Brooklyn, New York. The meeting took place outside a mosque to an a midnight

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prayer service. Graphic pictures show how badly the teen and his friend were beaten. The mosque is urging police to investigate the attack as a hate crime. One of the victims says the attacker called him a terrorist as he kicked him. in Minneapolis police are also investigating the recent shooting of two Muslim men as a possible hate crime. This weekend authorities and Florida arrested 25 year old Taylor Anthony mazzanti in connection with the beating of a man outside the same mosque Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Matina to be killed, you know, it's not hijabs are being ripped off. I mean, violence is escalating, and I'm sure he doesn't want to be contributing to that. So yeah, let's go

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on to the FGM the female agenda, he talks about, you know, the female genital mutilation, female genital mutilation. Yeah, he talked to iron Hirsi Ali about it. And she gets labeled an islamophobe because she talks openly about the problems with the ideology. And she's a woman who experienced female genital mutilation. I mean, she was that was she had to flee her country. And now she's here writing books and giving lectures and the the hardcore left, the far left crazies are attacking her. It's being Islamophobic. Yeah, and honor killings. Killing honor killing is a real thing. Yeah. I mean, this is not this is not like an imaginary idea that's never enforced. It's a real thing. Yeah.

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Yeah. So he makes this comment, he throws in a bunch of stuff. And he's like, you know, oh, well, these Muslims, they do female genital mutilation. And there's honor killings, and women can't drive and just throws out a bunch of stuff. And and none of this stuff is associated with Islam. So let's, let's break it down real quick. Let's talk about women not being able to drive, okay, women aren't even allowed to drive, right? I mean, they have to have a male companion when they go out at night. I mean, there's there's some unbelievably regressive ideas that are just accepted, because we don't want appear to be homophobic or islamophobe. And this happens in one place, one country, and that's

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Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia's population in terms of Muslims, there's usually 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. What is Saudi Arabia's population relative to 1.7? billion? It's like less than 2%. It's like, almost negligible, right? When did women get banned from driving in Saudi Arabia, like, you know, when, you know, in like, 60 years ago, 100 years ago, since the time of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, until the 1900s, before that Saudi regime came in, women were riding camels and horses, whatever driving was at that time, right. So number one, you don't judge the entire Muslim population, and say, This is some kind of something to do with Islam, that women are not allowed to

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drive. Number two, this is something that they were they were driving quote, unquote, whatever they were driving at the time, camels, horses, you know, they were driving for 1300 years. So this is a Saudi thing. It is an a Saudi Arabian cultural thing. Number three, if you ask the Muslim scholars in Saudi Arabia,

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do you, you know, is this ban on women driving? Is it Islamic or is it cultural? The scholars in Saudi Arabia will tell you, the Muslim scholars will tell you No, it's nothing to do with Islam. It's a cultural ban. This is part of our culture. This is what we do. We practice this. They're not even claiming it's Islamic. Yet you keep getting this accusation again and again, and it's almost we keep on hearing it. Oftentimes people keep quoting Well, well, women in Islam can't drive no women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to drive. There are 49 Muslim majority countries.

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That's one, the other 48 don't have any problem with women driving. So that's that's a non topic that should not be affiliated with Islam in any way shape or so it's not affiliated with Islam, I try to investigate, what's the wisdom behind it, you know, is it again not to do it's not but what did they say, you know, is it something because what did they even culturally because even when someone looks into it and sees like, again, not to do with Islam, but culturally Why are they is this is why are they doing it? You know, why did they prohibit I heard something along the line, because when you go through in some places where you know, if a woman to protect her from when she

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goes out somewhere in a rural area in a desert, you know, there was highway robbery, or something like that production? Yes. So any kind of protection, that's probably some type of the rationale behind you know, like, as an American, right, this doesn't concern me so much. I mean, this is Saudi culture. Yeah, this is an internal issue, and let them deal with it. Why? Yeah, why should I be sitting here? And why should Joe be sitting here? There's so many issues in the world that we can focus on, you know, you know, you know, in India, we have some guests from India, they said, Look, if you eat a hamburger, or you go to jail for seven years, why are you talking about that? Exactly.

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That's your make headline news. a hamburger if you eat meat, because they worship the cow? I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Did you hear about this? Did you know that? I didn't, I didn't hear about Yeah, yeah. I mean, women are being killed in India. Young girls are being buried alive. I mean, they've been killed in China. And the same thing has happened. There's so many issues to bring up. But then we go in and focus on Oh, well, look at Saudi Arabia is doing this. We need to liberate the woman over there. By the end, somehow it's associated with Islam. Well, first of all, it's not it's not not associated with Islam not associated. Let's go to the next one. You want to add something

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else? No, that's good. honor killings, honor killings. So this idea just keeps being thrown out there. Oh, we honor killings, killing, honor killing, honor killings, it's very clear in the Quran, you cannot take the life that God has prohibited you to take. Life is honored. Right? except with some Right, right, unless you're, you know, you're enforcing some type of law, someone stole or committed murder, or did some type of major crime or something like that no one is allowed to take the life of another person. Now, his honor, like in this honor killing idea is basically you know, you've your daughter, or your son goes and does something that you didn't want them to do. And you

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end up killing them. Right? Or you end up killing someone else. And this tribe gets in a fight with another tribe. Where is this in Islam? I would love to see one verse in the Quran quoted regarding this practice, and that there's not a single verse in the Quran. I would love to see one Hadith one statement of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him where this practice is somehow justified or something. It's not, in fact, Islam forbade all of these types of killings, right and actually put an end to it this this is a tribal practice, right? This idea of exaggerated honor. And my honor has been there's no basis whatsoever. So whenever you ask someone about honor killings, say Okay, show

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me some evidence. And what they're gonna do is like, Well, look, there was a one Muslim guy who was in this one country in this one village, and he happened to do it, right. So So there you go, there you go. One guy out of 1.7 billion people, or 100 or 1000 people out of 1.7 billion people, some house, you know, makes a justification that the religion is teaching them to do that. We don't do that in America. We don't go Oh, look, there's a bunch of people that wouldn't shot their families shot their parents or their parents went and shot their kids. 25 year old Ryan Lawrence pleaded guilty to murder charges after admitting to police he beat and burned her body before dumping her

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Well, that's because they're Christian. Or that's because they're secular or because they were liberal or because they were conservative. We don't make these kind of conclusions. But when it comes to Islam, the rules somehow seem to be changing. It's like, oh, we're gonna make these conclusions by what some of these crazy people or these bad apples have been doing. We're gonna go and blame the

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The entire religion and that's disingenuous very disingenuous very and they bring up acid in the face Muslim country, but even in these countries, these Islamic countries,

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Christy sim slipped into a coma. Two months later she awakened. And this is what she looked like against these radical fundamentalist people that are throwing acid in the face. The attack happened in daylight and downtown Vancouver, Washington, Bethany's mother describes the horrific incident, and woman approached her and said, Hey, pretty girl, and she turned around, and she asked if she wanted something to drink, and my daughter said, No, the attacker splattered acid directly into Bethany's face. Before we start, you say you'd known her for 10 years? Yeah, she'd grown up with it. Yeah, we're friends since you're like, 1112. Yeah, 21 year old, only made from Phnom Penh, Cambodia

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was not having it when her fiance, 23 year old links or ciyaarta broke up with her, she decided it would be a good idea to try and pour acid on him while riding on the back of his motorcycle. These things are horrible, right? That if Islam was implemented the the Sharia or the law and you did something like this dose of acid or you do you bring harm to a human being like this, you know, in this way? I mean, what would happen? Yeah, I mean, this is really it's it's taking advantage of people's ignorance of Islam. Exactly. Most people don't know a thing about Islam. And they're like, okay, you know, let me inform you what Islam is, instead of telling them all Muslims believe in one

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God, and they play, they pray five times a day, and they give charity and they fast in the month of Ramadan. Let me just teach you these things, which are some cultural practice that I found somewhere. And let me attribute them to Islam somehow, so that you become afraid of Islam. Yeah, that's where Islamophobia comes from. Yeah, irrational, false fear of Islam. It is my good friend gives us analogies as if Martians came down to the US, and they wanted to know about America. And all we told them about was the electric chair, the penal system, right, the electric chair, you know, the firing squad, and the all the other executions that are out there. And and we didn't tell

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them all about, although the beautiful things well, there's what what 6236 is verses in the Quran? How much does the penal code, I mean, to run any society? And he said, There's got to be laws and laws, and what is it 1% or 2%? a small significant, and then they say they highlight the Penal Code. All the other teachings, nothing else matters. That's as cherry picking cherry pick. Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. So we got FGM FGM. honor killing, nothing to do. There is no honor and taking and it's like, you cannot, there's there's no honor killings, there is no honor killing Joe right there. And his guests and whoever brought this he was affected by he's been he's a victim, like many have,

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but do you want to stay a victim? There's two ways to be fooled, as the saying goes to believe something that's not true, or to continue believing something to refuse to believe something that is true. So we're bringing Joe the facts, right. So you can turn away or if he's genuine, he can really, I think have you on? We have someone in that area? All right, why not? He's done over almost 1000 pot close to 1000 podcasts, why not bring out one a Muslim, he had all these islamophobes. Right? Talk, talking Miss information lies about a sniper, why not have a Muslim enough to go hopefully, at the end of the show? We can have you guys push this to him. And hopefully, we'll get

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to him and he can go ahead and make an adjustment there and make things right, because that's defending over 1.7 million. It's not it's about people say, Oh, it's free speech, just freedom of speech. You know, what, what do you say to that? I mean, this idea, it's hate speech, right? And we, we, you know, we have this conception, when it comes to race, we don't start using the N word. We don't start, you know, making fun of, you know, Jews and their race and all of that stuff. There is a certain type of speech where we should at least show some level of respect, right? And so this idea of hate speech, which not only is you're free to talk, you know, mention your ideas, but the

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way in which you mentioned them in terms of how much implication will there be how much violence will be caused, how much problems will result by the way you're speaking that that's something that should be taken into consideration and it is taken in consideration you can't you know, yell fire in a crowded theater and not be punished for it. So there there are there are certain restrictions on this idea of free speech that every society has to have, in order to maintain some level of control. Freedom of speech is a good thing. You want to air your views about Islam, okay, go ahead, you know, air your views, but at least do it with proper factchecking Yeah, do it in the right way and try to

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be respectful about it, you're more likely to convince other people than to just throw out your your hatred and your anger. Yeah. And the best way to fact check also, because I mentioned you have so much negative propaganda. So you might fall into one of these sites that are just professional Islam basher. They get paid for it. It is again to have a Muslim scholar someone such as yourself.

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If you want someone else or whoever, we can have our brother here, or we can hook you up, Joe, and we can bring someone an expert in this area to help clear up many of these misconceptions FGM FGM, female genital mutilation. So this idea of female genital mutilation. Most people have probably heard about this, it's cutting part of the women's private parts out or the entire thing or closing it or something like that. Basically, this practice began either in Sudan or Egypt 800 BCE, 800 years before the birth of Jesus. But what does that say off the bat? This is not something that Islam introduced. It's not something that you know, all of a sudden Islam, which came 600 years,

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about 600 years after Jesus or the Quran somehow introduced into this region. Now, where is this taking place? Primarily, it takes place in Africa, North East Africa, and kind of spread across Africa. This is an African issue. So Christians are doing it there Christians are doing it there. Let me give you some statistics here. You got Eritrea,

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Christian country, majority Christian, you got Ethiopia, Christian country, majority, you know, Christian population. And the rates of FGM in these countries are 90%. And 75%. mean that Christians are doing it. You look at the country of Niger, Niger is an interesting case. 55% of Christians in Niger are practicing FGM 2% of Muslims are practicing FGM. So what's what's going on here? The Christians are doing and the Muslims are not doing it. So what happened? All of a sudden, something flipped around. You look in Eritrea, you looking at level three FGM, which is in fibrillation, which is the worst type, right? It's tribal. One tribe will do it and the other tribe will not do it. You

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said well, why is one tribe doing because it's a cultural thing. Right? all the evidence indicates that this is a cultural thing. Right? That Yeah, some Muslims do. Some animists are doing it. People who are like, you know, have other type of religions. Christians are doing it as well. Coptic Christians in Egypt are doing it as well. Right. So this is an African issue, primarily a few other countries like Yemen, Indonesia, because, you know, has to do with demographics of how people moved into different regions and traveled. This is not an Islamic thing. This is not an Islamic problem. It's not an Islamic issue. Did the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him? Did he have it done to his

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daughters? No. Were his own wives had this procedure done? No, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever. So what it looks like is that basically, you know, what probably happened is that this was a cultural practice. And the Muslims in that area, were probably trying to use their religion to justify that practice, even though it's not a very strong justification. The Christians did exactly the same thing. They were had this practice as well. And they tried to justify it. And what's really interesting is when Christian missionaries arrived in Africa, and people were, you know, entering into Christianity, the Christian church, many of these Christian missionaries, they said, You guys

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got to stop this practice, you got to stop doing it. And they wouldn't stop. They said, Okay, we're gonna kick you out. We're gonna excommunicate you from our churches. You can't even be a Christian anymore. If you continue this practice. And they continue to anyways. And they said, Okay, fine. So many people are kicked out of the church, which means that this is a tribal thing. are Muslims in Pakistan doing this? No. are Muslims in Saudi Arabia? are Muslims in Syria? are Muslims in Lebanon, Muslim and Palestine, Muslims all across the world? Like I said, there's this 49 majority Muslim countries, one third of the Muslim population lives in other places as minorities, most the vast

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majority of Muslims are not doing it. You don't have any solid evidence linking this to you know it to being a practicing Islam, yet it keeps on being tied somehow with the religion of Islam. And I don't understand why why this keeps happening. Obviously, people whatever they can get their hands on, either out of context or twisted to cherry pick

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any stone they can get to throw that's it. It's it just goes back to being disingenuous and misinformed and a victim, many people to that false propaganda budget. But Joe, our friend Jill talks about, he talks about being professionally objective supposed to be professionally objective, professionally wise, and wise, right. Now, one of those things is you know, to do what we're suggesting that he does, is why not have bring on your friend. Bring on someone like you and let's go let's talk let's have it that'd be a I think that would that would really bring on a lot of lot of viewership. Hmm. So a lot of people be in tune like now he's got his his buddy who's making these

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claims. You know what I mean? And now we got someone who's going to fact check it right there. And let's say you have to go back to the internet on the spot. Right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's go to to another one about the Muslims being the ones responsible for them.

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suicide attack. Yeah. How about the one that is responsible for most of the suicide bombings? Islamophobic? I am Islamophobic. Yeah. So this idea of you know, suicide bombings and suicide killings and all that. It's important, again, to understand this in context and understand, you know, where did this start? What is the history behind it? And why do people do it? And where's the connection between Islam, there's always this somehow this connection between Islam and suicide bombing? That's what's in the minds of many people, because that's what they consume in mainstream media, unfortunately, let's take a look at some facts. Okay. The first recorded suicide attack that

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we know of as human beings, as researchers, was actually done by Christian Crusaders, against Muslims. So there was a group of Crusaders who actually sunk their own ship. So that could that they could actually result in 10 times the deaths of Muslims. on that, you know, for the expedition, right, so this is the first incident, right? This is classical, then you fast forward to like the modern era, you find the first suicide bombing, modern suicide bombing that's taking place in St. Petersburg, right? In 18. Let's see, what's the year I got

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1881, where they killed the Tsar, basically, the guy was not a Muslim. This was not a Muslim suicide bombing. And suicide bombings continued. It continues, and it continues with kamikazes. So in war, you got the Japanese and what they're doing is many Japanese are volunteering themselves to get in airplanes. And they go, and they crash, you know, bombs into certain, you know, ships and testing those ships. The Germans are practicing the same type of suicide bombing techniques during the battle for Berlin, against the Russians. So they're going and they're trying to destroy the bridges that are coming. They're sacrificing their own lives for a military purpose. And then what really

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happened is there really wasn't much suicide bombing during the Cold War period. That's really interesting. The reason why there and this is important for everyone to understand it specifically, Joe, is that the reason why there wasn't suicide bombing during the Cold War period, is because the superpowers of the US and Russia, Soviet Union, they're equipping these little countries that are fighting with each other, right? They're equipping them with a lot of weapons, when you have a lot of weapons to fight other people back with, you don't need suicide bombing. So then what happened was, is that we don't see much during the Cold War. The next instance of suicide bombing that we

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start seeing is in Lebanon. So in Lebanon, when Israel goes and occupies Lebanon in the early 80s, you get a movement of people who cannot fight back against superior military technology that Israel has. So they started getting this idea of let's go start doing the suicide bombings. What's really interesting, and this is how suicide bombing became prevalent in modern society today. It started in Lebanon, particularly. And what's really interesting is 77% of the people who are engaging in suicide bombings in Lebanon, they were communists or socialists, they were not doing it for Islamic reasons, they were not doing it, because you know, they're inspired to do for some Muslim cause or

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something like that. And what's more interesting is 8% of them are Christian as well. Right? So this is not a religious thing. This is a secular thing, meaning in the sense that it's something that people are doing, because they have no other military option to carry out anything. And then when people saw that Israel actually backed out of Lebanon, they say, Oh, well, it looks like suicide bombings potentially working. And we don't have any resources to fight back, we should do something along these lines, right? So now somehow, you know, what's going on in the world today is, whenever you find a group of people, doesn't matter if it's the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, who are not

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religious, this is not a Muslim group. They have nothing to do with Islam at all. They were conducting suicide bombings against the government so that they could get their own Tamil region, right? Why are they doing this? This is a way for people who don't have many resources to fight back for whatever cause they're fighting for. So when you're deciding what who's a terrorist, and what's a terrorist, and who's fighting and who's suicide bombing, the first thing you got to ask yourself is, is this cause justified what they're fighting for? Are they freedom fighters? Are they terrorists? The second? The second thing is, do they have the ability to fight or they don't have

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the ability to fight back? If they don't have any weapons? And they're being oppressed? Or they have no resources whatsoever, then yeah, they might be willing to utilize their bodies. What is all of this has to do with Islam? Absolutely nothing. There is absolutely nothing connected with the religion of Islam that saying you should go and use yourself as a big, you know, use your body as a way of going in, you know, targeting a specific bomb at an individual or going in, you know, killing innocent civilians, or all the other things that are somehow connected or tied to suicide bombing. So this idea of Islam is responsible for suicide bombing is just another another one of those, you

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know, just fake, misleading propaganda statements that just keeps being thrown out there. And it kind of takes away the context of what is the political

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circumstance going on in that specific area in that country, where we need to analyze is this struggle, just or unjust killing of innocent civilians is never just, it's never allowed in Islam. But that's not even when people say suicide bomb, they aren't even talking about that they have a problem with this idea of suicide and bombing and killing or whatever it is. This is a military thing. It's a political thing. In order for this to take place, there needs to be a political context. That's what needs to be kept in mind. And who I see who substantiate academics, they don't bring them on mainstream media because it doesn't support the narrative. No, no, would educate the

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public, to you know, the the awareness of really what's going on in these areas of the world that Robert Pape, you know, the terrorist expert, he analyzed over 1000 different terrorist attacks today, and he talks about a this has little to nothing to do with Islam or religion. A lot of times he said that many of these are secularists, he says, and people are about to do a suicide attack, and now they're going to face death. And all of a sudden, they become religious. Right? Right. Because that's it. Now people find God at the end, right? And now they cling on to it. But in reality, it's because they want the occupying force out of there, and like you're saying they have

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no other means, right? And again, anything to do with Islam now, ya know, it's all political, its political, its political, with the terrorists expert, Dr. Robert Pitt.

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Every terrorist expert says that, you know, what, there's a political, you know, objective that's there, you need to justify that objective, you're gonna, you're going to justify it either with nationalism, Nazi Party, neo nazi, whatever it is, you're going to justify it with some religion that you practice, you're going to justify it with your superiority of your race, you need to justify the political objective, some people will use religion to justify it, some people will use nationalism, some people will use race, they'll use other factors. If there's no political objective, then there's not going to be any terrorism. My opinion is injustice, humiliation or

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oppression that is are the most common causes.

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Some people claim that religion motivates terrorists. However, the academic research of Dr. Robert Pape has proved the claim to be false.

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What I did is I collected the first Complete database of every suicide terrorist attack around the world since 1980. The first version of this database was published a few years ago, and it went from 1980 to 2003. Think of that is like the pre iraq database. And then the second version from 2004. On think of that is the data that's happened since Iraq. And what the data shows quite clearly is that the principal cause of suicide terrorism is foreign occupation. In that period from 1980 to 2003, there were 315 completed suicide terrorist attacks by 462. Suicide terrorists who actually killed themselves, I don't mean attempts, these are people who actually killed themselves. The world leader

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during that 24 year period, was not an Islamic group at all. They're the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the Tamil Tigers are a Marxist Group, a secular Group, a Hindu group. In fact, over half of those 462 suicide attackers were purely secular, because you see many Muslim suicide terrorist groups are also pure, purely secular, such as the PKK. In Turkey, the PKK in Turkey, which did numerous suicide attacks in the 1990s is again, a Marxist read anti religious suicide terrorist group, because you see Islam as sort of a radical religion, or if it were just radical Muslims doing this, then what you would expect is sort of this thin veneer of suicide attack kind of scattered all around the

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world, you would expect that, oh, there's 1.4 billion Muslims, you know, there's this teeny tiny fringe of Muslims kind of everywhere who'd be willing to do suicide attack. But that's not the way the data looks. It's really concentrated. And it's really concentrated in occupations. Yeah. So I wonder like people like Joe, whoever, you know, to get criminals or get get people who've taken over his backyard, maybe got a few acres, right. And they're bringing harm upon his family killing somebody got a big family. You know, what, what would again, Islam doesn't justify killing innocent men women have shown as clear, what would many of these people end up doing, too? You can imagine we

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have guideline, there's guidelines in Islam, right? That keeps us in check.

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Yeah, imagine if people don't have any guidance, which they don't imagine what they would be doing absolute chaos. Yeah, we are. We got a few more. We're going to take a break

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and we'll be back

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To keep addressing some of these

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myths, some of the myths much of the misinformation is too much to cover but we're just giving a few of them here on the show and hopefully our good friend we can have him on programming companies even on the show, or we can reach out and have our friend Shay Mustafa from the College of California California Islamic University. Yeah, we'll be right back Don't go anywhere. We got some some more exciting things to cover. Right back. Peace samick

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Welcome back to the deen show. And this is our sincere

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genuine attempt to reach out to people such as Joe Rogan has a massive following one of the probably number one podcasts out there in the world and

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people who have been on his program fans of his kind of get them acquainted with the Muslims and some of the false propaganda and, and the genuine people will be like, people don't like being lied to. Absolutely. Yeah. So when you're when you're lied to you like what else have I been lied to? Right? Yeah, and there's a lot of things out there misinformation and it just sad to say I mean,

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Joe, like many have fallen victim to the Islamophobia machine. Imagine if if a quarter million dollars plus is being spent on bashing Islam, creating mistruths and misinformation? You're gonna get affected by it. That's, that's right. Yeah. Let's continue going on to to another one. He talks about the

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stoning of homosexuals. How many of you believe that the word of God is the best way to deal with homosexuals, and that whatever the Quran says, whether they it says they should be stoned to death, and yet he mentioned the Quran says to stone homosexuals. I mean, I would just say to Joe, I would I would love to see that verse. Because I've studied the Quran for over 15 years 6236 verses never came across that once I don't know which Quran he's looking at. I'm not sure which one he's going to but I would love to see where that where it says that because I missed it. And I think every other Muslim in the entire world missed it. Yeah, so there's there's no stoning of the curve. In the Quran

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of homosexual No, the only time it talks about homosexuality in the Quran is in the story of Prophet lat. It doesn't talk about any other rules with regards to homosexuals in the Quran. So I'm not sure where exactly he's getting that.

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Let's go into women being silent, not being allowed to talk. And like he goes into this thing about how many of you think that women should be silent and then they should, you know, should listen to their man because this is what God has said. They all raise their hand. He's like, see, this is this is not radical Islam. This is just Islam. So all these people that say, oh, there's so radical, the radical Islam, and like, he doesn't even realize that he's demonstrating radical Islam. So he Yeah, he said, again, he said, the Quran says that women are not allowed to talk in front of men, they have to be silent. So again, I don't know where he got this from the Horan. There's something

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similar to that in the Bible. Okay, let's see what happens when you read some verses from the Bible.

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As Lama has been under constant scrutiny, and Muslims are being accused of following religion that has no place in our Western culture. We would like to read a few random passages in the Quran, and see if you agree, if you ever hear my laws, or inject my commands, you will have to eat the flesh of your own dollars in your own songs, not allow for a woman to teach. If two men sleep together, you will have to kill them. See, this is actually not holy crap. This is actually the Holy Bible. If he does, you have to cut off your hand and do not forgive her.

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Why would that be the Holy Bible? Is this surprising? Yes. 100% because you would never think terrible stuff like that would be the Holy Bible. That that's ridiculous. There's there's no way that

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I've read the Bible.

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But if you were a Muslim reading the Bible, do you think Christians would be radical? Yes. 100% Yeah, but definitely not in the Quran. So maybe he missed a mistake, mistake the two books I'm not sure exactly what happened there. But this idea of you know, women being silent or them not being allowed to talk, this is just just throwing it seems like he's throwing out a bunch of random stuff. I mean, there's a there's a surah, a chapter in the Quran, it's called modjadji law. It's about a woman who came and complained to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him about her husband. And God, Allah puts this in the Quran the story, like praising the woman, that she had the courage to go and

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complain and that her husband was wrong. what he was doing was wrong. And she was right. So like, if it's if it's telling them to be silent, why is why is the Koran showing the story and saying, Hey, where do you go? You can check it out. It's called pseudo modjadji. Like the one who complained or the woman who complained, it's, it's near the end of the Quran. There's an entire chapter on

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And there's nothing like this. I'm not I don't know where this stuff is coming from, or what sources that are coming from. I think the fact checking really needs some work there. And maybe maybe this is in the show this. Is there another guy in the back? Yeah, like double checking the facts. But the you know, maybe that guy should you know, he needs to he needs to hook up with again with qualified Islamic scholar ignores exactly, I'm gonna get you on the phone say, hey, look, right now we're doing this up. What do you think that and I'm ready for that. Yeah, that's the problem with Google, you know, I mean, the thing is Google's great service, but you just throw in some things. There's

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something called SEO, SEO, I'm a computer science major as well. So it's called search engine optimization. So if you use the right tags, and use the right thing and use enough, you pay the right people, they can get your results up in the search engine to try to search something, all the false articles with the propaganda and the misleading statements and all of that they will be at the top. And that's what he said this Islamophobia industries, over $200 million is being invested in all of this stuff. A lot of it is search engine optimization. So when you're trying to do your own research, you're going to get all these results coming in the beginning. And you got to like get

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through it, you need to go to Google Scholar instead of just Google, right. There's a there's an academic research, you need to go and check with Muslim scholars need to look at their scholarly research papers to actually find this stuff. And what's really going on, you can have to sift through it a little bit. If you've been kind of programmed that went along with the code I mentioned from Time Magazine. That's also the 60,000 plus books over a span of 100 years, it's probably not those same arguments that are the false arguments that the misconcept they're all put on the internet Also, I'm sure yeah, yeah. But don't we have is that a situation where you also had now

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from one of one of the predecessors of the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him? Oh, my God. lavon. Were a woman he was he was he was stating something and a woman got up he was giving a sermon. Yeah, she got up. They didn't say she got up a woman, you know, deliver the sermon. Yeah. Right. Which, you know, he was supposed to no one's supposed to talk in the middle of the sermon, but she was correcting him on something. So she got up. And she's like, I gotta correct you fact, check him she fact checked him. Yeah. And he's the leader of the Muslim world at the time, which is stretching, you know, throughout the Persian Empire, Roman Empire. I mean, it was a major thing.

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It's a political leader. You tried this on some other people. And though, you know, you see what happens to you, let alone being a woman, you know, so we have that history, but she was fact checking based on evidence. That's right. Yeah, just you know, and he admitted it, and then that's the beautiful thing. You know, that's the beautiful thing about Omar, he admitted it, he didn't say I'm not gonna take this advice from a woman or she interrupt me during interrupted me during my sermon, he realized that what she was saying was correct. And he said, my, you know, she, she quoted a verse of the Quran that he didn't really reflect upon at the time. And she's like, you know, he's

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like, you know, you're absolutely right. I forgot, you know, the woman is right, and I'm wrong. And he, he declared it publicly. And that's the beauty of you know, that, that humility, when you realize you're wrong about something, you realize, you said something incorrect, you're willing to make that adjustment. So you know, it doesn't matter who's correcting me, if I value the truth, I'm gonna, you know, be willing to accept that I made a mistake. And that's interesting, because you do have and again, our friends out there from the Christians and Jews, and I never want to intention is never to to put down anyone's religion or anything. But you do have an aspect of, of a community

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there that are deliberately trying to confuse people spread this false information, and some of his guests that have been on there. So why and I think part of it was inbreeding.

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This is your own theory. No, no, no look at breeding major, major poem never heard this, especially with immigrants in Britain, like the Pakistanis in London. They're part of a media program and they constantly have

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attacks on Islam.

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Greetings infidel. I work with kid I want Sharia law in this country. Women are second class citizens. I hate white males. Am I liberals? Or am I Islam, and his friend who's actually a Catholic, Christian, it's all the same now. And others. He was on his show. This would apply these verses would apply if you're because this is part of the New Testament about being quiet, not speaking in public, not teaching in public, covering your hair, all of these things. So it's like you're attacking Muslims. But these these are the it's in your own book. These would be Christians who are who are totally Islamophobic This is not everyone you have so many Christians are out there

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who are, you know, guarding Muslims from praying? Absolutely. No, we have great alliances, you know, with some great people out there, but these people I think, who have more in common with such radical

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fringe elements is like it's like they're the new version upgrade of the KKK. Exactly right. They have more common with they actually agree more with ISIS. That's right. You know, they're very similar. So now they don't see what their own book is saying. Yeah. And we can play this all day now night we can start throwing these verses explain this one. Yeah, explain that one. And that's the hypocrisy of it. You know, Mr. Grassi, even if we had those verses, which we don't, but if we had those verses, that you have the same verses. So if you say, Well, you know, well, ours aren't taken literally because that's normally the answer. We don't take that literally. So why if you take ours

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literally then, right, but but it's not the case. But that's where the hypocrisy comes in. And that's a problem. People should understand where they themselves are coming from before and you clean yourself up before you start criticizing, you know, other people. Yeah, let's move along. So we covered that one. This guy, I just don't know. It's just just mind blowing. His guest, Joe's guest who has on the Joe Rogan podcast. I don't Who is this guy? He starts talking about, you know, about Muslims treatment towards Jews, right. And they're, I've we've had programs on this in the past. Well, let me just cover this clip. First. What is the position on Islam regarding Jews? Okay,

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well, I mean, we escaped Lebanon because we were going to be executed. Okay. By it wasn't by the Amish. Okay, right. So I said, You know what, rather than kind of go into the whole treaties, here's what I'm going to I'm going to share with you a montage of imams from around the world. So this is not culture specific. There's Indonesian, and Malaysian Kuwaiti, Yemeni. So these are at their sermons. This is at the mosque where they are preaching, what should be done to the Jews. And one of the particular Islam imaams was showing images of the Nazis bulldozing skeletons into the ditches. And he was lamenting to god why God wouldn't didn't you give us the pleasure of exterminating those

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Jewish rats? Why do you hate us so much Jewish rats? Have some version of that right? So he picked some random he's already saying that somebody's mom, somebody, what do you what do you say to that? Yeah, I mean, this is what you do is you cherry pick some random quote unquote, Imam making some statements somewhere and say, See, look, look. There's a Muslim somewhere, who has some type of following hold 10 people 100 people we don't even know. And look, he said something wrong. Yeah, there's like people like that around the entire world who say really ridiculous things. The former chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel has just proclaimed that the only reason that you as a non Jew

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exists on earth is to serve Jews. Another Jewish religious leader says it's moral for Jews to murder you and steal your heart or liver, if a Jew needs one. Now, maybe you think I'm making all this up. But I tell you, Jewish extremist, evil is too crazy for anybody to make it up. And you probably haven't heard the rabbi's words yet. He's not on Fox News. CNN doesn't cover it. But it has been covered extensively in Israel, just not America. Of course, Rabbi Yosef is right. Most Gentiles do serve the Jews, we fight their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan spill the blood of 10s of 1000s of our young men, and suffer terrible injuries and death to those nations. We spend the treasure of

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trillions of dollars in these wars for Israel believe that there is an honor and you that will not allow you to be a slave to anyone, much less to such an evil power as Zionism, even some courageous Jews are joining the fight against Jewish extremism, and I salute them. Right in all religions and non religions as well, you know, so this is the problem is that, you know, you go and cherry pick something and you say, Oh, well, that's, you know, that somehow represents what all 1.7 billion Muslims are saying. That's, that's, again, very disingenuous, that's the problem is that you're not being honest with people. And you're misleading them to think that all Muslims believe this thing.

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Because one person said it, okay, what is their basis for saying it? Is there any basis in the religion or religion is based upon the Quran and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him? Did he exhibit those things? Or did they contradict what he's teaching? None of that stuff is there you know, so when it came to the idea of,

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you know, this how Muslims treat Jews or how Islam is supposed to be dealing with, with Jewish people and all of that. This idea is is ridiculous. You know that. Muslims have been living with Jews in many parts of the world, specifically in Spain.

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You know, in the past, when you know, Muslims were actually in control of Spain for like 800 years, Muslims and Jews were living there peacefully. There was no major issues, Muslims and Jews were

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living peacefully in the Ottoman Empire. In fact, when the Jews were kicked out of Europe, most of them were going to the Ottoman Empire. And they said, you know, they were, they were flourishing at that time in Spain, it was their golden age. So relations between Muslims and Jews outside of you know, hot, some hostile political context has always been generally fine. And it's still the case generally outside of any political context. Where's this idea of hatred from Jews and because of some Imam coded something, right, we can go and we can start showing clips of Christian preachers abroad calls non Jewish women Sheikh says shiksa literally means whore and it calls Gentile girls to

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excel but our little horse now can you imagine the outrage of Gentiles already Christians called Jewish girls, little Jewish whores. But they do this all the time in the media. In fact, I'm sure the Jewish

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Jewish woman, from Catholics from Protestants, we can show Jewish rabbis saying some something every Gentile member of Congress voted to honor this freak who says that every Gentile and every gender Congressman, is totally evil, and every one of their wives and mothers daughters is a whore. Now that's true slavery. When you vote to honor somebody who says Your mother is a whore, and who tells you that your sole purpose on earth is to serve we superior Jews. We can go and show atheists we can go and show agnostics we can go and show UFC fighters, right which Joe was you know MMA we can show a bunch of MMA people making ridiculous statements. Are you going to go and say, Look, this

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represents all MMA fighters.

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Go, go, go, go.

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No, go wouldn't think that no one else would think that so you don't do that you don't go pick a few bad people make their statements and then say well see the legs represents everyone you know. So now your audience is is getting a picture portrayed to them like Muslims hate Jews, Islam teaches hatred of you know, Jews and now that incites like these guys now you're hearing acid in the face you're hearing female genital I'm female genital mutilation honor kit. Man, I had a guest the other day he said I watched fox news I got my PhD thesis and in in what was it in one area I forgot what it was. And he said you know, it was making my blood pressure go up listening to it, and I know the facts.

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So imagine someone is listening to all this. People are generally good people and they're your D human dehumanizing them. And you don't have the facts. But when you facts check, you know, if you look at it's one thing us saying this, but when you have in the, in the Jewish Chronicles, when you have Professor academics, historians, like this professor was Professor David Warren steam. He wrote the JC essay and he says Islam save jewelry, the Jewish, the Jewish people. There's a great Rabbi out there. Rabbi singer, and he talks about the Jews had it better than in any other place. no better place than they were in the Muslim land. Yeah. And I've studied all my life of rabbinical

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school from A to Z. I come from the most traditional, what's called blackhat.

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World, okay. I father is a great teacher of Russia, Shiva. I don't come from the traditional world. We all have our nutjobs all the crazy. We have crazy Jews, wackos. And we have crazy Christians, and we have crazy Muslim. We all have our nutjobs Welcome to the work. Welcome to the show. And the good people, they're so sweet.

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People I interact with I'm not saying the head of ISIS this week. They're maniacs ISIS, when he came here to Jakarta to kill Muslims. I mean, they're still eat wicked what they're doing. And they abuse these texts in the Quran and Hadith to in order to kill people and rape women and so on. And all Muslims. I mean, well, majority of Muslims condemned this. But so I'm talking about people who are serious, who really care about God, who care about the truth who recognizes the problem. I'm talking to everyone else. You don't have to listen to the show. shut her up and go somewhere. I don't mean that disrespectfully. But if you can't separate the two, then you're going to be in lala land. If I

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read other news, I'll think that all Muslims are a bunch of baby killers. So then drive planes into buildings. Forget that garbage Okay, that's nonsense. Let's talk facts now. And this is why Jews can live with Muslims beautiful now with Christians. My family was wiped out by the by the holiday in the Holocaust, wiped out almost everything, just by

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Look, my great grandfather came to America went back. And then my grandfather grandmother came when they were able to come. But there everybody was wiped out my father. I think 42 members of my family were wiped out by the Nazis made they perish in hell. But those were all Christians. They were they were an adult. Tell me the Nazis weren't Christians believe me, they had a belt buckle on the Waffen SS got midtones if you whatever I don't want to get into that point, but it did not happen in Islamic countries. Okay, the Holocaust did not happen. In Islamic country. It happened in Europe, Europe, either directly Europeans directly or passively murdered the Jews wiped out of European

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jewelry. One third of the Jews were wiped out between 1942 and 1945. But Jews were safe in the era. Now with the whole thing in the Middle East. Yes, there's problems now. But what do you want to do you want to go throw gasoline on the fire? And when when the Quran is critical of Jews, the critical of Jews, believe me, if you really zekiel and the criticism of Ezekiel to Jews who weren't keeping Tyra the criticism from the Quran lab, though, doesn't touch his zekiel 23 or 16. It doesn't come close. It's much the Jewish Bibles and much more critical the Jews any Muslim who really sincerely studies Judaism really studies it not propaganda on some dumb website, you know what I'm talking

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about? Because on the same dumb website, you have the crazy web. They say that Muslims are a bunch of suicide bombers that kill people. And I'm not immune to these filthy dog savers. So I'm not talking about the crazies, but the serious, serious people. One of the things that both Jews who study Islam or Muslims who study Judaism go Whoa, where we are the I mean, it's shocking how similar we are not exactly the same. Let's get that clear in the old days before you know the State of Israel and so on the work crazies who persecute Jews, but frankly, there is a reason why Jews in the Islamic world whether it was in Yemen or Morocco did fabulous. We did better than the Muslims did

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the Muslims were killing each other and the Jews will have we're doing great now were there exceptions? Yes. How did we get along so well? My friends there is a reason why Jews and Muslims got along better in Yemen got along better in Morocco got along better in Egypt got along better in Iraq than Muslims and Muslims that when they were unfortunately killing each other over what over primarily politics, you know Albania, how many did it after the Holocaust? You know, how many Jews were taken in by the Ottomans by the by the by the Albanians, you know, by the Muslims. You also have my good friend Nico pillet, who's a strong advocate, you know, for that because all this stems

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really for the the theft of the the Palestinians land, right, this comes from that, but before it's modern, but you have Jews, my friends, my Jewish friends, Rabbi Weiss, you know, has been on the show

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My Israeli friend Mikko pellet, he's been on the show, when you take away people's land and you destroy their homes, what do you incarcerate their fathers and quite often their mothers, when you shoot their brothers and sisters in the inner school and the school yards,

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this is what we get. This is the price that you pay as, as, as a society that maintains such a brutal oppression and occupation against another people, there's a price to be paid, and this is the price that we pay. And therefore they both felt

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that they both held the Israeli government responsible because the Israeli government is responsible for the reality that exist there. Now someone just said that's an anti semitic statement. You just made somebody pointing the finger and say, this guy's anti semitic. What do you have to say about that? Well, I'm Jewish. So being anti semitic is nonsense. Yeah. Why? Number two, being anti semitic means being racist against Jews. I'm not racist against Jews.

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But I am critical of the State of Israel, I'm critical of Zionism, which has really nothing to do with Jews.

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Although they claim to so there's nothing anti semitic about criticizing Israel, a fact most Jews don't even live there.

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Most Jews never accepted Zionism. So I don't think there's the that has anything to do with it. And it's a claim that's being thrown out when there's nothing else to say. When the other side, the pro Israeli side, the side that supports the violence in Palestine, has nothing to say they say anti semitic well, so they say anti semitic. What if someone says, Look, he's just a self hating Jew? Have you heard this statement? Yeah, well, I certainly don't hate myself.

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And I don't hate anybody else. I think it's again, it's one of those things they throw at you when they when they've got no argument. And these people they love Muslims, they get along we they they tell the facts, a totally different story and academic story. But what is this story? This story that these guys he's picked some some some rotten plum out here and Exactly, yeah, unfortunately. What is a genuine show? Delicious, genuine? Absolutely. That's, that's, that's, uh, that's why it's important to have a variety of guests. Yeah. And they have a variety of opinions as the only way to arrive at the truth. Yeah. Let's, let's move on. So he talks about women now, women and women being

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forced to cover That's true. But if it's some mom who thinks that, you know, women should cover themselves up like they look like Jabba the Hutt, or what is it? Was it Boba Fett, whichever one? Whatever it is, please direct your hate mail to Joe Rogan comment, bring it on. And he has a problem with that. Yeah, you know, the language that he uses the language. That's the thing, the language that's the thing. I mean, he says he he's making fun of Muslim women who are choosing to cover their hair because, one, it's a religious requirement. And two, they're doing it out of modesty. They're not the first people in the past, or even today who cover out of modesty. women wear hijab when they

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go outside of the house. I mean, we're not even Muslim. Can you equate that? Absolutely. I mean, there aren't walking around naked. Yeah, exactly. They're covering themselves. There's a type of modesty that's there. Right. But he's going and saying, you know, that dress like Jabba the Hutt? You know, I didn't really get that example. Then he corrected and said other the dress like Boba Fett, not really cool. Not as it's not, it's not, it's not cool. You know? So and especially not in the current climate. Yeah, where, you know, you got France just passed a law that forbade Muslim women from wearing their quote unquote, burqini, which is like, you know, their hijab, that they're

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gonna go and swim and the beach with, it's forbidden. They're not allowed to even practice that you want to talk about freedom of religion, or freedom, you know, to criticize all that freedom that we keep hearing about, they can't even go to the beach. They're not you're not allowed to dress how you want to dress, right? And then to make fun of them and use some Star Wars figures and all of that stuff. It's it's not cool at all. And bullying is an epidemic now. Yeah, it's a major epidemic and us specifically Muslim women who are being bullied. I mean, there are things not cool. It's happened to many of my friends. I know personally, my my wife's friends, they go out in the supermarket.

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people not only give them stares, they actually like shout insults at them, you know, why are you wearing that rag over your head? Why are you doing this, they don't even feel comfortable going to the grocery store. And this is not some exaggerated feeling. This is fact based, right? Muslim women have had their hijab ripped off from them. And this is not an isolated incident. This is happening on a major significant level, to just throw it off and say, You know what, well, we have the freedom to criticize your religion, but you don't have the freedom to dress how you want to dress. You have to adopt our understanding our principles of what modesty or of what what freedom of dress should be

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like, right? That's exactly the type of narrow mindedness that he's criticizing and all these other aspects, so you got to be consistent. Yeah, you have to be consistent in what you're saying. There was a Jewish, another Jewish academic, and this is interesting. This is what he said Dr. Norman Finkelstein, he said when Europeans came to North America, the thing they said about the Native Americans was that they were so barbaric because they walked around naked. The European women at that time, they were wearing three layers of

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Close. Then they came to North America and decided that the Native Americans were backward because they want all rocked around naked. And he continues, and he says, and now we walk around naked and we say that the Muslims are backward because they were so, so much so much close. Can you imagine anything more barbaric banning women from wearing headscarves? So this a Jewish man? Yeah, right. Who's got you know who who's has friends with Muslims? were friends with him? I mean, these are people working together to some obvious facts about that. So he's talking about when they came over, they were pretty much he job. Yep. If you look at exactly, exactly. They were walking around naked

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now they're trying to exactly that's really the problem. The the crux of this problem, is this holier than thou attitude? Yeah. Right. It's like, you know, looking at them, these are less, you know, less people that said, they're lesser than us. They're uncivilized that are backwards in one of his, you know, things he said, him or one of his guests said, Islam is 500 years behind. What is that supposed to mean? Like this idea of? Well, we've changed our cultural norms, we started dressing a different way, we've even changed our morals. And now you guys are behind now, you know, you should be following exactly what we were doing. We set the trends. And if you don't follow the

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trend, then you're backwards, you're behind, you need to catch up. This this idea. This is like that Orientalism idea that, you know, Edward Syed was mentioning in his book, kind of deconstructing this idea of people who are in a position to go in, like classify others into a certain frame, thinking that you need to be like us, when you're uncivilized, we're civilized, we need to come and civilize you, there needs to be a little bit more nuanced than that when we're trying to understand people. And Joe's a bright guy. I mean, he mentioned when he starts to think objectively, like, he says, professionally, wisely, and he sees like, and he mentioned this, about why why would people be doing

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some of the things, right. And he talks about their natural resources being stolen, he talks about the dehumanization. And and, and, and that's what really gave me hope, you know, when I saw when I saw him talking about that, in this clip, to the suppression of the people that live in these places, where their natural resources are being stolen by the war machine, right, which is undeniable, undeniable, what's going on in Iraq or in Afghanistan, how much of it how much of the hustle has to do with the natural resources, whether it be the poppy fields, whether it be the minerals in Afghanistan, whether it's the oil in Iraq, undeniable that these people are being sure,

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for sure they're subject to the war machine that's coming in to steal the resources? Right. And that that's, that's something that people are aware of, and you see these images of these people and these Islamic countries that are dying that are getting bombed on and, and also the D humanism that they're subjected to, by a lot of people that are trying to justify this right, these wars, that that is the only thing that makes sense to me. He's like, yeah, okay, I understand Muslims around the world, their resources are being taken from them. They're being oppressed, they're being dehumanized. He says, We're not going to deny what's happening in Iraq, what's happening in

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Afghanistan, it's horrible What's happening? And then he kind of hints at the answer, that he's almost there, he almost figures out why Islamophobia is a problem, why we shouldn't be, you know, doing all this disrespect and all of that, but then right when he's there, and he's saying, you know, that could play a role, then his guests, you know, somehow diverts him and takes him off on some other tangent. And then that thought is just gone. So I think I think Joe is, is searching, and I think he's trying to find out, but he's just, it's like someone who has a problem and addiction or whatever they're trying to get rid of. But all the friends around them, they keep reinforcing that

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behavior. And even though they're trying to get out until they kind of clear that away from those friends, and try and associate with other people spend a little bit time with others, they're not going to be able to get out because they're always being sucked back into that bad habit that they have. When you blow up people back into you know, time. I mean, you put you you like he said, Joe says, you know, you steal their resources, you do all sorts of injustice towards them. And now you're criticized these countries Afghanistan, you have Iraq that just been blown to smithereens. How do you and then puppets been put, you know, they've been colonized, you know, puppets been put

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as to run those countries? What I mean, how, how far forward Do you expect them to be when you you've like, blown everything up? What do you you know? Yeah. Yeah, that is, it's a then and then at the end, to try to blame Islam when you burn out. I mean, if you blown up their library, the libraries, the old artifacts, you know, crazy stuff going on. keeping people saying there is Islamic people. That's what led to the destabilization of the entire

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region. I mean, it's much worse than it was before, you know, so complaining with, you know, the false pretext of supposedly biological weapons and all that, that all turned out to be false. I mean, that's the importance of fact checking again, right? If someone would have if some people would have done their proper fact checking, all these people would not have been killed in Iraq, they should not have been killed in the first place. Because the whole pretext of invading Iraq was about these chemical biological weapons that never existed. And in fact, our data was not even accurate on that. It was just, it was a lie. It was just it was a lie. So it was built, it was the

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premise was built on a what we know today was right, and I'm sure I'm sure Joe and most people would accept it. This is very clearly now come out to the public that this was a lie. And this pretext was completely made up completely fake based on flimsy information. And then you have conservative numbers, what do they put it out? You have physicians for what is physicians for social responsibility, something like that, where they talk about almost in the span of 10 years, like almost 2 million innocent lives were lost on a war that was built based on a lie standard line. Yeah. There was a Have you seen? It's a great documentary by really respected investigative

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journalists. It's called dirty wars. Yes. Have you seen that site? I've seen that people need to see that they need to see that. Absolutely. They show that you see the part the guy's just sitting and he worked as a translator for the, for the army for the Americans. And then and then what happens in one part of the document dirty wars. They're just hanging out. The guy just got married now poor people, they have to put themselves in the situation. The guy just got married. And they heard some, you know, helicopters, whatever. And then he goes outside, and I don't him his son and how many other people just killed? They were just enjoying themselves. Yeah, they just dead. Yeah. So those

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people have been dehumanized. That's the thing. We don't we don't, we don't hear their stories that they're not seen as people. They're just seen as a just a target and Okay, they're just numbers. Yeah, 1 million, 2 million, half a million. It's just the number for most people unfortunately. And all based on and Joseph objective person and he many of these events that have happened such as nine 911 and whatnot. He's had people like the

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people who want a new investigation on a 911 and he's someone who doesn't just swallow this stuff whole you know, believing it. His guest talks about these guys who did 911 seven so now unquestionably those hardest things yeah. So you just gotta just like a detective you got to look at it like a detective you got you got Okay, that building came down. So we the people want to know what happened to tower seven hackerman looks like a demo looks like exploded. Look at it must be exploded. That's the conspiracy theory. What does the government say? Nothing. It's not in the 911 Commission Report. They deny it. There's no there's they don't say anything. They don't acknowledge

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it. After public pressure of wanting to know if that was a controlled demo or not. We want to real investigation. Finally in 2008, they found this finally came out a government agency comes out. And he's and they asked him, they go watch, he gives a little presentation to tower seven was brought down because it got too hot. And then he starts fielding questions and they said, hey, why didn't you guys test for explosives? This is what this is all about. You know what he said? The answer was, there were no witnesses that said they heard explosions. That was his answer. And there's endless endless video.

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After video, after video after video, firemen policemen witness after witness after witness had to put theirs on video, our video right when it happens. And then the bombs went off. And then before that plane, and the bombs are just and then the whole lobby was just bombed. And then we turned around, we were going down the elevator and the elevator blew up in this. Everyone's saying bombs, the newscasters are saying while everyone's saying bombs are going off everywhere. They took all and buried it. They were saying there's all this. They said Miss it's on video. They're saying we didn't have anything go You didn't check for explosives. They go No, we didn't check for explosive. There

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was no witnesses that said they heard explosions. Now I'm not going to get into you know, the over to or close to 3000 architects and engineers, you know, that are calling for reinvestigation family members and whatnot. I'm a family member trying to find out the answers to the murder of 3000 plus people please look at architects and engineers, people all around the world scientists all around the world are questioning this took some kind of consciousness racing on my part before I was willing to look at the possibilities. And really you need to go where the evidence leads. As an engineer, I have three degrees in engineering. I signed that petition for architects and engineers

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for 911 truth some time ago because the

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American people absolutely need the truth of 911. Look at the evidence. In fact, I'll say this very categorically, any reasonable person who looks at the evidence that's been brought forward, has got to come away with the feeling that something has to be done. A real investigation has to be put forward. But now, the example that I want I want to strike is, if again, one innocent life is tragic enough, that's just horrible. Islam condemns it, it doesn't condone it. But now imagine, like, if that we've been off of that, how many people have died because of that in another part of the world, right? So that cycle that hate now that violence terrorism cycle, so now the feelings that you feel,

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never forget? Now, you're bombing drone, and all these people, people, they don't put themselves in other people's shoes, not justifying Not at all, killing innocent men in return. But what are these people feeling? They're human beings to how it's like these people are just less human. What do you have you talked with? People? What do you ask them? Like, are you? Do you innocent life, their blood here, same blood the same? I mean, yeah, I mean, everyone claims that Yeah, all blood is equal, but they don't really treat it unless it's trending. Unless it's trendy that that's the problem. We live in, like a very trendy society, news is trendy the last one or two weeks, and then it doesn't matter

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how important it was, it's gone. Right? And just people's information, people understanding of the world is extremely restricted. You know, and they don't really understand before, when we were about to invade Iraq, people couldn't identify where Iraq was on a map. Many people probably still can't do that. I mean, they don't really know much about the world, yet. We're supposed to be these very highly educated, enlightened intellectuals today who are supposed to understand things, the vast majority people don't understand things they think they understand. I think there's a lot of overconfidence in people's people's own moral compass, and a lot of overconfidence in people's view

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of what they think they know about the world. And the way the world functions, supposedly, in this enlightened time that we're living in, right, despite all these people being you know, living misery, dying, getting killed, you know, just having the resources. So all of these things that are happening, either people, they don't know about it, and they're not going to take any effort to go and investigate. And it's, it should be presented to us, but it's not, right, because of propaganda, and war machine and all of that stuff. Or people know about it. But they're, they're distracted. You know what, it's really sad, I just heard that a million people got killed in Iraq, that's really,

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really bad. It bothers me. But you know, what, let me just go buy a cup of coffee, and let's go watch a movie, we just numb ourselves and just get rid of it. There's nothing wrong with watching a movie or buying a cup of coffee. But to just forget about that, and all of a sudden, we just go to entertain ourselves. And that's big. That's the problem with with our culture, I think is that even when people do find out, most people, when they find out, they want to just remove that, because they feel like they can't do anything about it. But you know what, they can do something, the fact that they know about it, the fact that they speak about it in their own small circle of influence,

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that's going to influence other people and eventually public perception. Public Opinion plays a major role in whether or not you're going to go in and invade a country or kill a group of people or, you know, incite hatred against a particular religious group or religious minority that makes a difference. So even if you think like you as a small person, you know, you only have like 10 friends, 20 friends, what am I going to do? I can't save like the entire world. Yeah, you can't save the world, but your contribution is important. And if enough people do that, then you can make a big difference. And people like Joe, they don't just have a small circle of influence, they have a huge

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circle of influence. So when someone like that does a small part in removing some of these myths, talking about you know, you know, we shouldn't be killing these people and we shouldn't be staring you know, putting a hatred against them. It plays a major role. major role major. Yeah. And again, the experts that we quoted one I'd like to mention Dr. Pape from the University of Chicago again he clearly states and they don't bring him on mainstream media because then that would garner the the support of more people to be against you know, this hate war cycle but and he talks about it's all about foreign occupation little to nothing to do with Islam. But you have this this forest now

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coming out, you know, with all the negative propaganda you know, spewing this false information so now all these people do honor killings all these people oppress women, all these people basically making them less human. So now people just don't care. They think okay, they deserve to be bombed zactly just bomb a bomb smithereens. Exactly. And blame the Islam that Islam is the problem, right to divert people's attention from the real problem over here, now exploiting people's resources, you know, their land and whatnot, what's really caught what's the root problem?

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causing this right? It's not a slump. Right? Exactly. Yeah. So hopefully this is our humble, genuine attempt to reach people like Joe Rogan. And get you and others like yourself on his show that would that would also show a good attempt on his side to be genuine. And not to, you know, be balanced, well balanced. Absolutely. I would love to and if he wants to even meet just privately first or something like that, I'm more than willing to, you know, talk to him about you're the mom at a big community in one part of California in Orange County in Anaheim, California, Anaheim, California. Joe, we have our good friend here. Also the Dean of Academic Affairs for the College of Islamic

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California, California, California. University of Islamic Studies. Yes. So we have a person who's qualified who can help fact check a lot of these things anything else we missed? I think we got a lot covered here we covered quite a bit there's there's a lot more hopefully in the future we can hopefully get a good response and

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people can help get this push this out there to Mr. Joe Rogan. And if we get you on the show, he gets we can get him on the show if he's ever in Chicago, our doors open. And if he gets you hopefully this has produced much good and if not, hopefully the people that watch this, they have a better understanding. And the haters always just gonna hate it doesn't matter people just look for a reason to be angry something to you know, taken throw yet they're not gonna they're not gonna go away. There are people like that, but you know what, we hope to reach out to the people who seem to be more objective and are willing to listen. Yeah, that's, that's our job. And that's what we want

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to do. That's it. We're out of time. I'd like to thank you. Thank you for Thank you very much. Once again, and thank you guys. Thank you, Joe. If you listen, and all the people, his viewers, our viewers and tune into the show every week that's what we're here to sincerely try to deliver clear up the misconceptions and deliver the true message of Islam. And we'll see you next time. Until then subscribe if you haven't already, like share. Get this out so more people can benefit. See you next time next week. Same time, same channel until then, peace be with you sound like

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