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Halal Labels – Clarity Not Insanity
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hamdu Lillah wa Salatu was Salam ala rasulillah. All praise is due to a law and realize Peace and blessings when the last prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam
Hello labels, clarity,
was for me a bit of a
I didn't choose the topic. It was chosen for me.
it's a topic in from another perspective, which
I have spoken about on a number of different occasions
addressing different aspects of this same topic.
The issue of halal and haram
in virtually all of the stores that I've been here, in Malaysia, I'm seeing the halaal label and everything you know, from socks,
to shoes, shirts, you know,
it's been, it's become very popular to put that label on it. Actually.
It began about two years ago, a program of intense or Intensive English
It was called the help program ah being halaal English language program. So I'm guilty of putting the halaal level there too. Because of course, people would always ask me Well, is there a harem English? Yes, there's haram English. Oh,
you know, so reality, of course, is that
judge everything in terms of halal and haram.
Though when we're using these terms, we're usually talking about food products. This is where we're commonly using it but in fact, the term halal and haram is
basic to our Sharia, to our
Islamic law, in governing everything on the basis of five principles.
These five principles, four of them
come under the category of halaal, and one under the category of
the four, which are halaal. I'm sure you've all heard about them.
The first is wajib,
or sometimes called foreign.
The second is Mr. hub,
also called Mandoo,
also called Sona.
The third is MOBA
And the fourth is mcru.
All of these are under the general heading of halaal.
They represent what is obligatory, what has been commanded by a lion is messenger.
What has been recommended?
What has not been commanded, recommended, disliked or forbidden, but remain in a neutral category.
You can do it or not do it, no problem, there's no reward. It's just a neutral category. And then there is macro
that which is disliked, dislike, not because the Prophet sallallahu wasallam personally disliked it, because there are things which he disliked, which are not considered to be mcru.
They were disliked because Allah had instructed the messenger sallallahu Sallam to inform the oma that these were among the things that would be better not done.
In fact, you are rewarded if you don't do them.
But there is no sin on you, if you did.
Okay, so from a reward and sin, or punishment perspective, we could say the father
is obligatory, if you do it, you are rewarded, if you don't do it, you are in sin.
The second muster hub,
if you do it, you are rewarded. If you don't do it, there is no set
MOBA if you do or you don't do it, zero, nothing
for or against you.
But every MOBA thing could be turned into something which is rewardable
and it is something which could be done in such a way that it becomes sinful
depending on intention,
when when you do it, how you do it, where you do it, you know, it can shift that category that neutral category into something which is in fact disliked, or
And then the last category, which is not from the halaal is the hot rod.
It is what has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger
forbidden because there is harm in it.
Not forbidden just to make life difficult for us.
Because this is how it is sort of presented by some in Islam. You hear people saying in Islam, everything's Haram. Everywhere. Your turn is haram Haram is just haram Haram.
It's not true at all.
What is haram? What is forbidden is a fraction.
what is halal is huge.
So you find in the Quran, that when Allah talks about the Haram things,
or the prophets of Salaam, he speaks about the Haram things. He identifies them specifically.
Whereas when he talks about the halaal when a lot talks or problems or some talks, he was they would say everything other than that
Other than that,
just like the Garden of Eden.
In the garden, there were many trees wasn't just one tree in the garden. And the law said, don't eat that, from that tree. The garden was filled with trees, but only one tree was specified not to be eaten. And that is the symbol
or symbolism of halaal. And
the symbolism of halal
Haram is only a fraction.
Whereas the halaal is
many, for every haram thing. There are 1000s of halal things.
The only problem is, Satan is busy.
And Satan will whisper in your ear as he whispered in the ear of Adam.
II know that tree
which our Lord told you not to eat.
It is the tree of eternal life.
He gave it a name alone never called it the tree of eternal life.
A lie never caught it. I just said don't eat from that tree. It didn't give it a name. Satan gave it a name
and attractive name.
And he called it the tree of eternal life.
Now, Adam, up until that point, he hadn't even been thinking about eternal life. And, you know,
and a life which would end
he wasn't thinking about that. That was not in his thinking processes.
But now Satan put that thing in his head.
So, of course, everybody would like to live forever.
And Satan further enhanced, it's insane that if you eat from it, you will be like the angels
Adam is now of course, afraid, afraid to die. So now he feels he must eat from that tree. This is a tree that a lot told him in the very beginning do not eat from it. And he was fine. Eating from all the other trees. He and I and he
he is now impelled
to eat from that tree.
The modern example of that for us is Reba.
This is not food again. But we all know rebuys haram
Riba is haram,
in English, Old English, it was called usury.
and usury doesn't sound nice
So at the appropriate time,
along came Satan,
to people to tell them that we don't need to call it usury anymore.
We need to call it interest.
Now interest sounds nice.
Something is interesting.
It is in your interest to do this.
That's very attractive. Now. interest. Everybody wants to do what's interesting and in your interest.
the whole world is drowning in interest.
After a time you go back, you know 500 years 600 years.
interest was forbidden. The only people who are dealing with it were the Jews
and the Jews
We're actually told in their book,
in the Torah, they were told not to take interest.
Allah told them don't take interest.
But as is Allah said,
they change the book with their own hands.
So the text which says, Do not take interest
was modified to say, Do not take interest from your brethren.
From your brethren, they inserted this term.
Do not take interest from your brethren Meaning what? You don't take interest from fellow Jews. They're your brethren.
But for those who are not Jews, the name they use for the rest of us is goyim.
We are the goyim goi em.
It is permissible for you to take interest from the goyim
not from the Jews.
But okay, from the guardian.
They changed the book.
But even though they were practicing it, they were doing it
the rest of Europe
they saw it as evil they understood from the commandments that it should not be done.
So, you'll find stories written Shakespeare, you know The Merchant of Venice is about that evil Jewish moneylender
wanting his pound of flesh.
So they were always looked down upon they would be operating in the dark corners of the society in the ghettos and, you know, they would stay out of people's way. Eventually, they were able to come to the forefront. When the King of England ran out of money. He needed some money to broke away from from
the Holy Roman Empire. Broke ties with the pope created his own church, the Anglican Church and he needed finance. Now he had broken away.
The Jewish moneylenders came to him.
And they made loans attractive because he needed the money and the rest is history.
The rest is history.
So, the halal and haram
our basic principles governing everything in Islam
as the prophets or sandemans, said Allah Allah Albion will haraam obey.
The halaal is clear.
And the haraam is clear. But he went on to say that between them, there are gray areas,
which are confusing for most people.
Whoever avoids the gray areas,
has protected his honor, for honor, and their deed and their religion.
And whoever falls into the gray areas
will eventually fall into Harare.
And then he gave a simile that it was like
shepherds grazing their sheep near the boundary of the ruler, the king. He has his area, which has a boundary.
And the gray area is like that boundary. People who come close to it those who take their sheep close to the boundary to eat because there's plenty other places to eat. But now when you go close to that boundary, eventually one will jump over and be in there. Maybe we'll get it back. Another time on jumps over. You see, nothing happens. You leave it
then another and then another and then all of a sudden you're over there grazing in the lands of the game.
the nature of human beings.
And human society.
we understand when we look at the halal and haram
that, as I said, these were not arbitrary labels, which are law put on things
they had to do with what was beneficial
and what was harmful. We see that
in 95%, of what has been labeled Haram in Islam.
When you look at 95% of what has been labeled Haram, you will see that it is harmful.
harmful to the majority of people,
their society, their families, their religion,
their health, one way or another, it is harmful.
Not an arbitrary level,
there is a 5% that we cannot see the obvious harm.
So when people speak about pork, of course, there are issues and people have raised things about pork, etc.
You know, people think, oh, pork is nasty. It's this is that the other?
let me tell you that
I as a non Muslim, ate pork.
And it tastes good.
It wasn't nasty.
Maybe the pig on the farm is nasty. But when it comes as pork chops,
it was tasting good.
So obvious harm from pork
evident. It's not clear. I know, there are cases for it. People have read, you know, raised, you know, medical issues, Chicken osis. And, you know, other things around it. But, you know, these are, you know, marginal things.
They're not conclusive. I mean, they do show that the pork pig does seem to have a propensity to, to fail.
Yeah, please, you can move forward a bit, give some more room for people who are coming in.
But we can say that the harm is not clearly evident.
Otherwise, you know, there would be more
people giving up pork.
Like they gave up cigarettes. Initially, the harm wasn't clear.
Some people were speaking about it from early times.
But eventually the body of scientific evidence built until there was no doubt that smoking was harmful.
So it for us as Muslims, it became Haram. Because whatever is harmful from the Islamic perspective is going to harm you, then it becomes
something we should avoid.
that harm produces a greater good
that harm produces a greater good.
For example, if somebody takes a needle,
a big needle, and comes and sticks you with that needle
You're gonna say this is haram. Why? Why are you doing that? Why are you sticking me with this needle? However, if you need a vaccination, you go to the doctor and say, Please stick me with that needle.
So we're not asking the doctor to stick us with the needle because we like the pain. There are some people who do like it right? Do you have the called masochists, right, people who like pain, but that's not the average person we don't like them. So this sticking of the needle where tolerance
writing it, because we believe that from it will come a greater good.
But where there is no obvious greater good, then what is painful, what causes us to suffer etc, we consider these things to be around. So
on the basis of that, you know, we conclude assuming that
this is a fact, in virtually all of the things that we see around us, which are
that even that tree in the garden
a lot Allah prohibited it, because there was harm in it.
The fact that we don't know, because some people say, actually, the tree was
something that says to Apple, but there are others who say, because of the harm, which came in the end from it, they say it was really
you know, or some other drug,
you know, they tried to give it some other,
harm harmful qualities.
The point for us is that, Allah forbid it,
whether we know where the harm is, or we don't know where the harm is,
we avoid it, we believe that the law is done. So, for good reason, he has created all the things in this world, he knows what is useful, what is beneficial, and what is harmful.
we deal with halal and haram on that basis.
in terms of
that we consume, because this is where the halaal label first showed up,
identifying the products, which were on the market,
in earlier times, there was no need to put any brand halaal brand. Now the Muslim world we knew whoever can the animals are Muslims, they killed them according to Islamic way. And that was it. This was Allah Allah square, you bought from Muslims, Muslim community, wherever Muslims were, they would create some little slaughter area where they would slaughter the animals and, you know, or they started them themselves within families, you know, the males, or sometimes some countries female slaughter, this
had been going on for generations.
But in modern times now, where
the societies the role, roles of slaughtering, etc, are no longer in the hands of the individual, the way it was, in the past. Some countries, it's still in the hands of the visual, but many countries, especially in western countries, you know, people don't slaughter animals.
If you are far away from that whole slaughter process.
In fact, there are so far that they consider the process of slaughter of animals as being something evil.
You know, you have the Society for prevention of harm to animals. You know,
it's a very big an active society in America. I mean, of course, it's focused primarily on cats and dogs, because these are the animals that people tend to have around themselves mostly. And you know, sometimes people become abusive with these animals. So they have this society for prevention. But that society, I know in this
front page news,
they had this picture
of a Moroccan in New York.
Police struggle, the police are holding him down. He's holding a chicken in his hand and they're trying to get this chicken away from him.
That caught him.
His neighbors had observed him, you know, every weekend, bringing live chickens into his apartment
and he wasn't producing eggs.
And the chickens were not coming back out again.
They would hear the chickens at certain points. squawking, you know, and then silence. So they said, you know, there's some terrible stuff going on there in his apartment. So they called the police. They timed it, when they came back with this chicken to get to the house. And
they timed it to the point where they know he's gonna slaughter, he doesn't have to record their times. So when he was about to slaughter, they broken his door, police came rushing in, and there he was, you know, with his chicken, you know, in the sink with this knife ready to cut the neck of the chicken. And they grabbed him and they finally took the pictures here it is
slaughtering animals house, his apartment.
And of course, their view is that, you know, this is our method is so inhumane, you know, taking a knife to the neck of them.
Of course not most, most people have never been to a slaughterhouse that goes on to the slaughterhouse anyway, right. So,
but the point is that the methods of slaughter to be said is no longer in the hands of the average person in the West.
So now, it became an issue for Muslims, you know, where is this meat coming from who slaughtered it.
So, initially, people tried to
Muslims who would be would act like butchers, they would go to the slaughterhouse, they would kill the animals, and they bring it back for us. But when the communities got so big, it was no longer practical for them to be doing it anymore. So this issue of having a halau label became important. And you know, at the same time, this is like the 70s going into 80s. This time, oil is found in the, in the Gulf, and, you know, they became now prominent, they start to import, you know, animals from across the world, into the country countries growing at a fast rate, it became important for them to know where these animals are coming from the slaughtered animals, which were frozen or put in, you
know, different formats, they were sent, they're cooked. And
so, the halal industry was born.
Some countries, you know, saw in it,
business, you know, a good opportunity and
Malaysia became number one,
they captured the market, they became basically the hub for the global hub for halal industry,
in exporting pure Islamic products, to Muslim countries, to European countries, West Muslim communities, men in those countries, you know, as well as to China, these are the main three areas that they were exploited.
to be able to determine the products now.
What were the contents? Where did these contents come from?
Actually, the people people in the West, it was mainly people coming from India and Pakistan, who were very particular, you know, about wanting to know, where all of these elements, they had numbers, g three, three, x, this one and P that and where did these things come from? So they started doing research and checking into it, you know, and then they start to write books, they put out these books with Richie Rich exposed with all these numbers meant, you know, these ones which came from originally from pork products, and, you know, animals which were not slaughtered. islamically. And, you know, it reached a point where if you look at this book, basically you
couldn't buy anything.
You know, you reach the point where you couldn't it had a number it had one of these numbers on it, you know, you could hardly eat anything in the supermarkets anymore.
technology to be able to identify in the Gulf areas, they started to use it and to identify, you know, where pork products were coming from, where they're coming from.
they built up for the world.
And in this industry, which we call the halaal. Industry,
some people were not trained.
They just had an organization, they were the first one to get to the government, the government recognize them because they needed to get a sticker on these things. And they were giving stickers.
Some of them were scientists who are doing this other hand, but they didn't really have an in depth knowledge of Sharia. So they were judging things merely on a chemical etc, basis. And they were labeling also.
And then there were some who are from Sharia basis, good, solid, Sharia backgrounds, etc. But they didn't have
science basis, biology, chemistry, etc. So they're just judging according to the obvious what is external, they couldn't really understand what is actually going on or processes are going on. And they know people had more trust in them. Right, and their rulings. But eventually, it became clear that their rulings were not accurate. You know, to some degree, there was accuracy. But then there was some areas that they really didn't know what was going on
what chemical processes were going. So then
we started to find some courses being offered, where they're trying to combine, or they brought people from both sides to work together to be more effective in
labeling things, hello, and Hello, from the consumer products, etc.
out of that,
we have now on a global basis, the halaal industry with labels now, which don't seem to end if we said now the labels of which are shoes and socks, and you know, everything we seem to have our label because it's now big business. It's big business, I mean, they said basically, Muslims represent about 25% of the world, right? That in 2013,
The War of the World Food Market 17% was held at the halaal level labelled.
And that was basically $1.1 trillion.
Talking about serious money here. And they expect by 2018 to be $1.6 trillion.
It's just growing in leaps and bounds Alhamdulillah my university, the Islamic online university, we're in the process of developing a Bachelor's in halaal 30 certification course,
which will combine science and Sharia all graduates will need to know biochemistry they need to understand chemistry and biology and the processes involved as well as be grounded in the Sharia in the fifth,
etc, to be able to make proper judgments. So we want to try to develop that because it's being done to some degree here. It's being done in Pakistan also, but the mass of the world that information so they're just relying on the local malanez movies, you know, shares whatever whatever they said whatever they thought, you know, so you have so many different ideas out there people contradicting each other, etc.
So we're also not from the perspective of trying to you know, rake in some more money you know, when I look at the tried to make the money, that's where the money is no, because the the motto of the Islamic online university is changing the nation through education. So it's about educating the ummah.
Not milking them.
issues that might be worth looking at,
where people commonly are confused.
They are the issues that have to do with small amounts of harm. In halala I spoken about this before
Small amounts of haram material in halal now, haram material we have alcohol
we have blood
meat of pigs,
the meat of carnivorous animals which have been forbidden
birds of prey, which are also forbidden
animals which die of themselves
we call them carcasses. So, any food product
or cosmetic product
which uses elements of this this is this these are considered to be the Haram areas of for
So, this comes up in the area the issue of food and it comes up also in the issue of cosmetics etc
We have a general principle that the profits are solemn had clarified for us
that if water reaches a large amount to use the term cool attain scholars have not really been
you know clear on exactly what color attain is what it is a large amount of water a big vat of water
it will remain pure even if filth is dropped in it.
This is a basic principle
from Sharia authentic it is concerning some views also the Hadees that you know if the color taste or smell of that water has not changed
then it remains pure. But if any of those characteristics change, then now, this is no longer considered to be water pure water anymore, which could be used for will do for consumption etc.
However, this Hadeeth which is used commonly is not authentic.
Yeah, it felt the color smell taste is not authentic. But scholars of
fic law, they use it commonly.
You'll find it used across the board anyway, the point is that the general principle is that large amounts of halaal
are not affected by small amounts of harm.
That's the general principle.
that there may be in products
quantities of haram
making the whole thing haram this idea is out of Indian Pakistan this is this is a way of thinking the example they will give you is that if you have a glass of milk
and you take a an eyedropper, you know,
and with one drop you drop one drop of urine in that glass of milk, Will you drink it?
Of course most people would say no.
No, I wouldn't drink it.
But this is not the basis for determining halal and haram. You wouldn't drink it but other people will drink it.
There are other people, they need milk they need to drink. They're gonna drink it. They don't see it is not a problem.
But for the average person, yeah.
glass of water.
one drop of urine. You can't see it anymore. It's not even it's completely gone. You can't see it.
The color didn't change, smell didn't taste change. It didn't change. But
Again, deal with it.
This is not law.
We don't base the law on how you feel and how that one feels.
principles of halal and haram.
when we consider
as the prophet SAW said lemon clarified that vat of water not affected, technically speaking that glass is
is not considered to have become haram by that one drop of urine.
Who would go and do that anyway.
But that's not the point. It's just the concept. It's not.
And that's the point that people need to get to.
Because if you're able to get to that, then life becomes so much easier.
If you're stuck on the other point, life becomes very difficult. You're walking a tightrope.
Does it have this number? Does it have that number does it have?
But reality is that we're talking about molecules.
We're talking about molecules, which are so small, that they really don't impact on the
quantity of material which is Hello. That's the reality.
Now when it comes down to alcohol,
the example that I give
from the prophet SAW salams time.
We know he told us
good luck, Coloma skerin hamrun wakulla hamrun Kula hamrun Hara
Is calmer. We'll take that same label, this is the Islamic label for intoxicants
and all forms of hammer
And then he also said mascara kathira who
what will intoxicate in large amounts, small amounts of it
are hot off.
Okay, these are clear principles.
we have on the marketplace
non alcoholic beer
non alcoholic wine
these were known to be intoxicants before but now
for some segment of the society who wants to be able to pick up that wine glass with their non Muslim friends but they want they feel they're Muslims or at least maybe they're drinking with a left hand
they have that glass of
non alcoholic wine so they can partake of the wine along with their friends. So there is a market for it. Those who developed a taste for wine
common drinks, alcoholic drinks of the West. So the West say you like
but you can't drink it. Okay, we'll make a version of it that you can Okay, this is big industry now non alcoholic beer and wine.
So, now, the question is that so called non alcoholic beer and why
is it really zero alcohol
or is it you know, point 00 1% there is a percentage of alcohol there.
But this is what the others hold up is a calling it non alcoholic beverage.
There is point 01 or point 001 percentage of alcohol drinks. So there
but if we go back to the principle
what will intoxicate you in large amounts
is forbidden in small amounts.
This is in reference to drinks and other products
that non alcoholic beer
if you drank a gallon
would you become intoxicated?
you would not. You would not be intoxicated,
you would end up killing yourself before you are able to become intoxicated in any way shape or form from it.
That's what would happen.
It will not intoxicating.
And in reality, in yogurt
and yogurt, if you go and check chemically, you will find there is a percentage of alcohol in yogurt.
we are eating yogurt.
And in Sahih Bukhari
the Sahaba came to the province I sell them.
And he they asked him about the drinks that they were drinking, called Nabeel.
So they wanted him to give a ruling to this drinks that they had. Nabis was made from dates, you know, the dates would be mashed up and
left in water.
And after a day,
bubbles would start to form.
After two days, more bubbles would start to form.
The first day it was like sweet water.
Second day, it was starting to be a little tiny.
And by the third day,
when you drank it, you would get a buzz, as they say.
So they brought it to the provinces and he said bring the drinks here. So they brought it to him. And he tasted them. He said listen, okay,
the first day, you can drink it.
Second day, you can drink it, third day, throw it
don't keep it for more than
two days. Third day, you have to get rid of it.
we know modern science
that from the time that the bubbles started.
That is the sign of the fermentation process taking place.
Once fermentation starts to take place, what is produced alcohol.
So the provinces
permitted the Sahaba to drink those drinks.
After fermentation had started,
for the first day, and the second day, by the third day, when it reached the point where if they drank enough of it, they could get intoxicated, they told them get rid of it.
That is the fact that is based on
the statements of the province wasallam
what we know of modern science, we know that the prophet SAW Salam had permitted them to drink those drinks, even though some alcohol was present.
So what we understand from this is that when we talk about alcohol,
we're talking about
the creation of alcohol which involves a distillation process by which the water is removed and only the pure alcohol alone is left. That is really what is clearly forbidden.
Now if you have that,
you sell it, you produce it, it's Haram. You sell it it is haram, you transport it is haram. You drink it is haram. And all of those people who are involved in the process of making it, they're all in Iraq.
That is forbidden without a shadow of a doubt.
which is not
alcohol, it does not
Believe it is not alcohol, it's producer, you have a variety of different drinks etc around the world, you know,
right? The coconut and I love coconut.
I was born under a coconut tree in Jamaica.
Even the coconut,
you leave it for a few days
starts to get tangy. No, my wife used to tend to get rid of it, get rid of it. So it's not it's just the first day you know, it's just started a few bubbles. I love my coconut, I don't like to waste coconut water. So I still drink it Anyway, after the second day, okay. It's not possible anymore. But
all of these other
drinks, beverages etc. Where the beverage itself is not an alcoholic beverage.
It is a beverage which may have in it a minute quantity of alcohol
according to the principles that were laid by the problem
is these are all permissible products.
And the dean is easy process Allah made the deal is we can make it complicated and fight over these molecules. You know, I mean, which now we call alcohol, because alcohol has taken on a chemical name. Now, once you have the O h molecule, you know, that's what is now called alcohol.
But there are some forms of this alcohol if you drink it, you go blind.
You know, it's not it's not drinkable, it's not gonna intoxicated will make you blind. Nobody has that orange molecule is called alcohol. So, you know, we don't need to pry into the fine details of each and everything. You know, when the woman in Medina, she offered the prophet SAW salam, you know, some soup, which had meat and stuff in it.
She's Jewish, he took it and ate it. He didn't ask her. How did you slaughter the animal?
or What did you feed the animal you have some people go to the point of what they fed the animal, you know.
So we don't need when a law has said that the slaughter of the Christians and the Jews are halau. For us, we don't need to go into the kind of details that we have done. Of course, it's very good for the halal industry. They love the details, because they become the experts in all these companies have to pay them so they can get that label. So they're making lots of money.
It's very financially rewarding. But to be fair,
we have gone overboard. And when you saw the halau sticker on socks, you know, you really reached the end, you know, you can't get any further than that. Right? This is this is the reality of our time.
The halaal industry.
my advice is, you know, whenever you come up with issues, you know, people say, Well, you know, in our cosmetics because here it comes now because cosmetics, because it becomes it comes into everything. So the cosmetics which the women may use, somebody has proven that it has, you know, some famous brands have some percentage of alcohol in it.
So, Haram, you can't use it anymore.
People ask me, I get emails and Facebook inquiries all the time about
if when you use this cosmetic, you're not getting intoxicated.
Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
You know they have some perfumes Of course, you do have to make this condition too. Because, you know there are some perfumes
in the west where people can't get alcohol, they go and buy these perfumes and they can drink it and get it and get intoxicated with it.
It's not a very good high according to them, but it still gets them there, you know? But so, there is this issue of intoxication.
But otherwise the issue of alcohol, whether alcohol itself is nudges, is something that scholars have discussed debated about, you know, because it's included in a category of other things, which are not considered to be Ninjas in and of themselves, you know, dividing arrows which are used for fortune telling these arrows or they themselves
gambling tools, I mentioned the crime in the Malcolm road measure when Islam right, I mean, all these other instruments for gambling, these are not you know, cards, cards considered nudges.
Allah calls it rich, rich, soon minimalist shape.
it is sufficient for us
avoid what is doubtful.
You know, if, after this explanation, you still have your doubts, your read so many other things, which says, No, you can't do this or so. So you don't feel you know, comfortable anymore. You don't want to use these things, and better you don't use it as a problem. So Solomon said, He will just leave it. But now the problem is, after you've decided to leave it, leave it and your best friend wants to use it,
then you're going to pester her and pester him and no be on him all the time making life difficult for him till eventually gives it up just to stop hearing from you. Right? No, we don't need to do that. You know, you it's a personal choice you want to make is difference scholars with regards to it is not a clear point anymore, if what what you felt comfortable with, you know, then you can go with it. And if you have a doubt, then you go and find out what is clearly in the categories, then, of course, we have to avoid them.
And what is in the
we can ignore them
and live with peace of mind in Sharla.
And in the end, if we ask ourselves
why did the law make?
Why did he not just make everything
couldn't be everything around because then we wouldn't be able to survive, right? So the only option is everything.
Why didn't we just make everything
and we wouldn't have to be bothered about all of this.
The reality is that this is a part of the test of this life.
It's a test of faith,
love of a law, trust in a law,
all of the higher qualities and characteristics which raise the human being from being an animal,
we are at have an animal side.
But Allah has given us other capacities that these
tests of halal and haram bring out in us the better
to be able to appreciate
the halaal there needs to be heroin.
Because if everything was halaal, then
where would be
test, there is no
appreciation of what the law has given us when a lot when we can see all of the lies given us from his bounties, etc, you know, then this should also engender in us, you know,
gratitude and love of Allah for the blessings that he has put in our lives. That regardless of the situations that we may be faced with, there are so many blessings around us that we always should say
all thanks or gratitude. All praise is due to Allah
should be the
heartbeat of our lives.
And with that
our lives will find
Allah did not make halal and haram
just to make life difficult for human beings.
For the animals, there is no hell as
they do whatever they do by instinct, okay? It's all okay.
But for us, Allah made that distinction.
And the ultimate goal of our creation is paradise. We were created to worship Allah, but to worship Him in order to get to paradise, that is the ultimate goal.
And these tests
the tests of halal and haram, they bring out the higher
qualities, characteristics, human characteristics, which, if we are able to develop them, we earn our way to paradise through them.
Through the mercy of Allah, Allah, of course, which encompasses all of his features.
I'm going to stop here and give you an opportunity
to ask some questions or make some comments concerning halau labels, clarity, or insanity.
Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
My name is Abu Bakar Muhammad Ali from Ghana. I came in sha Allah Plaza masala. My question is,
there is drink we used to drink in Ghana, the name is drink is a martini or malt. Sometimes my friend dream you can see him dazing he does. He does him. But like me if I drink doesn't nothing. So I want to know the difference is, is haram or halal and Hadees kala, while elesa Taka, wanna know norito nagari
has a mind. Solomonic Warner
Brothers asked about a drink called malt. And I think this is around here to have the malt. I've seen it in many different countries, malt having supposedly
0% of alcohol or some may say point 01. Point 1%.
You mentioned that.
Your friend when he takes it, he appears to become drowsy. I guess you're saying whereas when you take it doesn't seem to have any impact or factor.
So where where would we put it?
if that individual is responding to the drink in that way.
It could be
due to certain chemical imbalances in his own body, or which distinguish him from the most Pete most people because most of the people I know who have drank malt. I didn't see anybody becoming drowsy. I think your friend is an exception. No.
Major exception. Right. So I don't think we need you know, in Islamic law, we don't make rulings according to the exceptions. We make ruling a court rulings according to the general rule. So we would not
say this is not
everybody simply because that individual had that experience. If that individual finds himself, everybody else drinks this thing and they're fine, but when he drinks it, he starts to get become worse.
Then for him, it's hard
for him, because he has that experience is hard. I'm just like anything else like sugar, for example, sugar is fine for everybody. But if you're, if you're a diabetic,
for you sugar is haram.
Because it can kill you, it's harmful to you. So whereas something is like that, you know, wherever there is established harm for you as an individual, even though it may not be harmful for the vast majority of people, then for you, it becomes horrible, and you have to avoid it. And you are sinful if you take it.
Doctor, I'm Ernie. I just want to be clear again, I remember just now you mentioned about our profit, as mentioned that
we, the Muslim could eat meat from, which is water by the Christians and Jewish in modern days. Now, when we go abroad to Europe, which most of the countries are Christian countries. Are we allowed to eat the meat there? For instance, if you go to McDonald's, and you want to eat?
This this is my position, that it is it is permissible, their slaughter is permissible.
Those who have gone to the point of
going to the slaughterhouses and seeing how the way they slaughtered the chickens. And they say, Well, okay, you know, they put the chickens in a bath of water, and then they electrify the water, or the chickens or you know, and then they cut their heads off completely, you know, services that we can't eat is haram. But the point is that the we're not first and foremost required to go and do all of that. You know, for you who have gone there, you've made it for yourself. And now you've made a fitna for everybody else, by going and putting that out and putting this doubt in people's heads. Okay, first. Secondly,
if you electrocute the animal use electric electricity to stun the animal because it's been shown majority of those animals don't die. majority of them. They're just stunned. It's just to control them. So they're not jumping up and down it. No, they just to keep them under control.
And then they cut the head off. Now. Before that they cut the head off completely. Does that make the slaughter invalid? If a Muslim is slaughtering, normally, we slaughter just across the neck cutting the esophagus and the jugular veins as we normally do. But what if somebody cuts the head off altogether? does it become haram?
Those who feel it's haram Put your hand up
if the one who's slaughtering cuts off the head of the animal completely?
Put your hand up and we think that's Haram.
Yeah, come on. Don't be shy. Don't be shy. You feel is haram? If you saw them doing that you would need that animal.
Oh, it's only a few of you. So I mean, you can see the rest of everybody else. Okay, let me check everybody, those who feel it's helpful.
Put your hands up. Let me just see. Make sure it's it is yeah, in fact, the majority village? In fact, it is.
It's not, you know, it is preferable, because because what happens that we've gone into all of these details about, you know, why is halaal halaal?
We said we tried to find the factor in it, who said they said about
it is about the blood.
So if you cut the animal, was it still alive? Right, because when you cut the head completely, you're gonna cut the spinal cord. So the animal dies at that point, you know, so the heart is not going to beat and pump out the blood.
So the blood remains in the animal.
And actually in France, they found that the animals slaughtered according to the Islamic way where the blood came out,
come, you know, pletely as close as they could, that these animals lasted longer. It could keep it longer without it going bad. So actually in France that shifted over to this to the Islamic method for simply for that reason, not because they believed in Islam or anything but a this this thing works. It has a benefit to it. So they took that
So we have become obsessed with this issue of the blood. Now the prophet SAW Selim, he spoke about blood and you know, and we're not allowed to drink blood, you know, making Europe and UK
You can get them with a thing called blood pie.
They actually make the blood and just cook it up the blood, put the crust around it and they eat the blood.
This is a popular dish in the UK whatever blood by a blood pudding
blood jelly, Chinese.
Yeah, these are you know, anyway, these things we know obviously Haram is the promise of Salaam Quran clearly made this point. But now the issue of the blood coming out of the animal. So we said that if they cut the head off completely, then this is why we would not accept it because the blood didn't come out. But the thing is, if when you go hunting,
right? When you go hunting, you go hunting with a gun, or with a bow and arrow,
then you shoot that animal, you say Bismillah. Right? And you shoot the animal, the arrow goes in on the animal drops.
Can you eat that animal? Yes. What happened to the blood
and are you shot the animal in the head boom, right to the head just falls out
what happened to the blood
to eat. So the point is, I mean, what you do is you're still gonna slaughter the animal is still hanging it up, allow it to drain, whatever it will drain. And, and a good bit of it will still drain even though the animal has been killed. Right. So the issue of the slaughter in Europe, where they slaughter, as long as they're not killing the animals, and it has been shown to electrocution, they're not killing, and also to the stun gun, which they use stun gun, which is the bowl to teach the animal and head now like a boxer, you get knocked you fall out, you go unconscious, that's the same thing happening, they knocked the cow because the big animal, you know, to hold the cow down.
And if you're trying to slaughter 1000 cows, you know, now we're stuck on Okay, you need to get each one, each person has to get a single cow and cut, you know,
you will never be able to supply for large populations. So they found effective way they stun the animal with the gun. So the animals no longer fighting, it's easy to cut the neck because
the animal is still alive when the neck is cut. So as long as the animal is still considered to be slaughtered, and not considered to be Mater, or an animal which has died of itself
or killed by a bloke.
Then it is Halloween. So if you go back to Europe, on my recommendation, you can eat at McDonald's.
But, you know, they've done some so many recent studies on people who eat from McDonald's, right?
You know, where they've eaten and eaten till the big day, you know, the system becomes toxic from eating the foods of McDonald's. So we know it's not healthy food anyway. You know, so it from that perspective, I would say find a good place. I mean, this is our responsibility. You know, we get caught up with the brands, you know, it's McDonald's, it's fast food, you know, means it's not properly cooked. It's not so it's better. In fact, it's very Fatty, or you know, these kinds of things, how they raise the animals and all that. So it's better to eat healthy. You know, as a Muslim, we have a responsibility to look after the body which Allah has given us. And as such, you
know, we should ensure that what we put in our systems is as healthy as possible. That means, really, we shouldn't be drinking,
Coca Cola, Sprite, Miranda, all of these things really islamically You shouldn't drink them.
But they're mcru they're not saying
they're mcru not Tara.
question. Can we get
Yeah, go ahead.
Just talk into it since probably working.
I don't want a
better philosophy for you enlightenment and then during that enriching lecture, since you mentioned before the opening session of question that make a comment if we may do so with respect to
you're you asked a very good question. If the head of the animal is cut off suddenly does the animal die or not? Having worked in the meat industry for almost seven years, that wasn't the question that asked not whether the animal dies are not to cut off the head of the animal the animals dead. Okay? No, it would die. Yeah, okay, good. So in the meat industry, we know as a KERS
have been working the meat industry in New Zealand for seven years, actually, it's not even an accepted practice. We don't accept it, besides the Muslim, non Muslim setting, because the government 100 of New Zealand now has a regulated this meat because the export of the industry, our country relies on agriculture, as a big is a big issue for us, but hamdulillah. So
the vet working alongside the Muslims and a non Muslim for the same purpose is to produce a good quality product for the market, overseas market, Muslim and non Muslim alike. So they will not also accept that the chicken or beef or lamb, that has been
the capital, decapitating they will have a cardiac cardiac arrest, they will die suddenly. And when they die, suddenly, that's where we have to put to score the decree also in New Zealand, Australia, I don't know about UK and Europe. The halaal industry is established now based on the following the foreign recognition boss, Elijah Team jakim, wants every approved Islamic organization to have scholars, Islamic scholars, and also have the Islamic the technical expertise, like you mentioned about the qualification you're going to offer maybe many of us who join inshallah, because it was needed, you will, okay, what's the point that you're making, the point I'm making here is with
respect to the animal, when they have is cut off, they will have a cardiac arrest, they will die suddenly. And if you're shot in the head.
Also, if you were to shut them in the head, during hunting, it is different situation because we asked this question to our local scholars, and the chef was there luxury above me. They also educate us with this matter, hunting is a different matter. You can take even adopt for hunting, for certain situation, you cannot eat in the same place with a dog for example. That's not allowed. So this is a separate I agree with you with hunting, they will die suddenly but is allowed alambic Allah with that situation, but when it comes to slaughtering is another requirement. Okay. Anyway, brother. So this is a technical technical point, what I would what I would say yes to this is that this is an
opinion. Okay, you know, it's an opinion. And that's why I said this is my opinion, my opinion, because there is no clear evidence. Okay. There's no clear evidence is no Hadeeth no statement of the province of the Sahaba. That if you cut off the head of an animal, it is haram. There's no,
sir. Okay, my question now, the Hadees. You mentioned with respect to
the senator Professor Lawson and whatever it is, it will intoxicate you in large amount would be forbidden in smaller man. Okay.
Beer non alcoholic beer. You mentioned
based on those who were approached to certify this so called non alcoholic beer they rejected after auditing the premises, they found out the manufacturer did agree that they actually manufacture this beer exactly in the same process as the beer that makes people drunk by using chemical processes that will extract the alcohol to the point that is 0.000 as you mentioned before, so in this case, is this halal or haram?
In this case, where it is not an intoxicant, it is halaal
they have removed the
combat chemical process
to the point where is 0.0 something left? If they've removed the alcohol the alcohol has been removed. So it is no longer alcohol. Okay. Yeah, you know, this is brother You know, as I said, there are different opinions on that matter right. And you know, as was stated, for example,
in if you go to Islam q&a, right, which is based mostly under the rulings of chef bin bash and shadow, demon, etc. The the
Whether it was handling the Sam q&a he stated he quoted that any alcohol content in something
doesn't automatically make it Haram.
Any alcohol content in something doesn't automatically make it Haram.
Only if the percentage intoxicates. It is haram.
Only if the percentage intoxicated Sam, that's the clear. Nabeel Hadith from Sahih. Bukhari Sahih. Muslim, that's clear. That's support system. Same that's based on the same content, he went on to say, if the amount is miniscule and does not have any effect, then it is halaal.
Okay, this is fair to a number of you want the number? It is factor number 33 763.
I purposely went there and got it because I knew somebody was going to come with this. So I said, let me take it out from a reputable source. Right. And they are the second.
Yeah, that's it. That's 33 763.
But this is important. It's not it's not just a position is Shaykh Nasir Dena, Bonnie talked about this in at length, the same position. I mean, this is where my understanding of this came from. I studied under him in Medina, you know, whilst he was in Medina, and the summers when he used to come there, and that was the clear understanding that I liked. And it's based on that, and then set a body of scholars hold that there are other scholars who have another opinion. And again, you know, as I said, in the beginning, if you have your doubts, right, if you've heard enough from the other scholars, whatever, and that, that's where you feel your comfort zone is, then you avoid it, you
know, it's not something you have to do. But for the others who have heard the evidences, the arguments, etc, and they've convinced that side, then let them be also, you know, don't take the position that you've taken now, and you want to beat everybody else with that position till they submit, this is the one, you know, that this is where the problem comes, you know, within the in from the time of the Sahaba there were differences, where they didn't agree on certain things, you know, and some went one way, some went another way, but in the end, they accepted each other's right to have that other opinion. You know, where it's not clear haram and clear halaal anymore, it's now
gray areas. So in those areas, you know, we have a general principle which about ourselves that said, I didn't know you, sir. The religion is easy.
Yes, siru Allah to make things easy for people don't make it difficult, because the problems are solved.
But of course, you know,
it has its limitations, doesn't mean you could make things easy to the point that around becomes an island, you know, it's such a Sharla
Sister, I think,
Doctor, what about cooking with alcohol? Is that permissible? Well, this comes into another area
the issue of whether the alcohol evaporates or not completely, you know,
the, what I will say is this first and foremost, if you're going to cook with alcohol, it means you have to buy it
there you started Herat right off the top you carried it also more
and then you cook through there okay.
So, you know, what we can say is that where food comes to us from other sources, where there may be minute percentages, it is permissible, but for Muslims to go and produce this stuff, it is not because it means you're going to be producing alcohol buying, selling, transporting everything else which is itself Haram. So you know, I would say sisters if you get a you know, a recipe which calls for alcohol, don't cook with it.
Let's move on to Robin Sharma.
And I asked your opinion on Jesus because you know in the process of making cheese you have to apply rennet which are enzymes from animals in neopia. This is this is another case you know where the rennet is a few molecules. And you know people have made this huge as I say, mountain out of a molehill and aware because it's
came from, you know, the belly of the pig. Guess what, you know, if you are dying and they need you need to have a heart valve transplant.
They found that the best heart valves from other sources is the pig's heart valve
is the best. people wondered, well, what would the pig good for?
Now we know
if you're gonna die, you need to stay alive. That's, you know, but the point is that the rennet coming from the pig.
It's such a minute capitalist, which sets the whole thing going, and it is remains that one little drop of Haram in the midst of the halaal technically speaking, it's okay. But people have made a point. And you know, they're insisting that when it needs to be, you know, from vegetable sources or other sources, fine, you go with what you feel comfortable with. But as I said, the basic principles that we see from what the prophet SAW Selim had permitted, made it permissible, etc. Those basic principles, in my view,
support the concept that it is irrelevant whether anybody, whether it comes from
that 100 unfortunately, we have a time she was seen you have anything to add.
And hamdulillah our price due to Allah will have given us the opportunity to be here tonight, to get further explanation from the beloved about Halloween Horror matters. We know that this kind of thing, even now we have some information, it will still
keep us bothering us for a while. But the basic principle is being shared. And I always like to make it easier for everybody. Because if you're not careful, people will make fun of us.
Now, there's a lot of funny thing going around you people say hot dog is haraam, catfish harem. And so you can eat cat, you know, you can eat dogs. So now, please be very careful about all these terms in now what is important to know is how long is how long, don't get confused. But if we have knowledge
about certain things, that has been produced in certain country, where we are like in Malaysia, we have the halaal body to look into a lot of things. And then also they have some problem. Now you have a lot of shops going on in the mall, they are trying to apply for halaal logo or certification, but also have problems.
It may cost them more and they have the chance on the customer. So they some time when it's so difficult. So they just don't care about that label anymore. That logo is not important. They will just put another kind of information. No BOC
no lag, no alcohol
or another term,
then people say oh that mean they serve pork is free for you know, again, you have a lot of misunderstanding because words
like the Malay used to say this tongue Gong halala then people still argue he said tongue Gong mean carry you carry holla eating? We don't know. No. So you have so many issues going on today. And it is really I personally as if I move around in my Chinese people. They laugh at us.
Say you people you've Muslim, very messy people.
very confused people.
Maybe the only thing that you don't eat is the Pokemon other no problem. No, they are playing with all these issues now.
Because we are not very careful about a lot of things.
Now, I would say that halau is something we should encourage. We should motivate. We should always invite a lot of people
To do halaal can have food and Paiva. Because people want to do business, and they want to have a halaal logo. So that is easier. And it's so difficult again some time to get certificates. Because everything is money and like Dallas is a big industry is, is a good business.
So now people don't bother. I've seen a lot of my friend when not yet Muslim, they say we apply so difficult, we don't care. But we are serving halala what
we are serving along with the ingredient all is Allah.
So there's a lot of politicking going on also. But I will say to all the branches that to through my understanding about what happened in this country,
what happened in other country, we are not there to judge them, but what we know about our country.
The basic principle also is very simple.
One is that
is if you have doubts, still, the prophet said
that Madrid, Milan, Milan rebook, stay away from anything that developed out Sonia, there's no point after you have dealt and you still want to eat and then after eating, you still have doubts, you have problem. You know, before eating, you have doubt you're still okay. But if you insist to it, and then after that, you have doubt you have big problem, you don't know what to do is inside you now, where do you do some flushing the warm up, you want to force yourself and that is too bad. But Lastly, I'd like to end here is
now I was involved in the walhalla Council in
walhalla Council a more active before even the local halaal Council was established.
But later on a lot of things have changed.
Then everything is getting out of control. In the same time.
We have Chinese Muslims
open a store, Chinese was the sister where
everything, but the people who come to them still ask them is your food holla.
Now the problem we are having we are facing today is that we sometimes we are not bothering about the hokum we are valuing the team based on who is serving you.
You don't go to any Malay shop and ask him how long do you ask them?
Do you ask a Malaysia? You don't ever Helen logo here? You don't do that at all.
But in Indonesia, you must be careful in nature. Oh, they look like us. But they are not yet Muslim.
They may be Hindus, by the way, some
but they are not yet Muslim.
Now why sometimes it happened that when the people who are serving us the food don't look
Malay you have doubts.
is this based on Islamic principle? No. As long as you don't care who is serving
as for the for the Salah.
But when you have this other problem
who is serving it, then you have more problem?
It's just like alpha is for everybody.
You cannot say alpha only for Muslim is also a miss understanding to say hello for Muslim. Also
a mistake then when any non Muslim come to you. You look at them. I'm sorry, sir. What is your name? Peter. This is not your shop. This halau shop for Abdur Rahman Rahim oni Peter, john moto. Bye bye. You cannot say that again. In this example, sometimes we get caught in a situation that we are so articulate just about who is serving the food
as long as you don't worry, but you still have doubts.
But the this guy who's cooking
he if he is not a Muslim, then he don't take evolution. And then there's no hardest, no major evolution. No, he may do a lot of things. Then he is unclean. Don't do worry. Don't eat
You don't use the word pipe you the people and great fitness people don't do that.
And like what our Prophet yesira wallet was a certain point. Religion is easy make it easy to say. But in the same thing you also must be careful, be wise and not let people play around with us.
So use your wisdom brothers and sisters, and of course halaal been well haram been clear cut. The only area that we are facing today is why buy in Houma, mata shabbiha in between there's a lot of gray area we stay away a lower protect us and we will protect ourselves from further fitna. So May Allah guide us give us the right Eman and also give us the right understanding about our Deen and anything you have doubts don't make it in a general statement. Just use the wafers because it's not haram you make it haram you create a big scene is a big scene you cannot make halal haram
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