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Ali Albarghouthi

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Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah he was early he was sahbihi wa salaam Salaam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. We ask Allah Allah but Allah Amin or hamara hai mean to bless us all with His favors and to forgive us our sins, the sins that keep us back and away from him. subhanho wa Taala and to bless us with good mental and physical health, I mean Rabbil Alameen we ask this for ourselves, and our loved ones and all of Muslims. I mean, Yahama Rahimi

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in shall a lot of blood, I mean, today's lecture is, is sort of a,

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a conclusion to, or a necessary addition to the lectures that we had on depression. If you remember, we had the series on depression. And there were a few things that were left unsaid. And I wanted in sha Allah to kind of take this opportunity to discuss all of these things with you in sha Allah, and specifically, the title of today's

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lecture is like depression and V magic and possession. Is depression, a psychological or supernatural issue? So it's this question in sha Allah that I want to address today, the question of whether depression is a psychological issue? Is it a supernatural issue? By supernatural? What do I mean by that? I mean by it, that it's envy, it's possession, it's magic, is it supernatural? Is it a psychological Is it both because that determines how you treat something, once you identify the cause. And if you gone through the Depression lectures in sha Allah, you will probably have an idea of what is the cause? Because we discussed that, but I want to highlight that a little bit more in

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sha Allah in today's lecture, especially in in contrast to one contrasting one cause to the other. And what I want to do in sha, Allah today is simply lay down the foundations, foundations that will help you not understand not only understand psychological problems and afflictions, but also physical ones, as well. So these are like power, or principles that are far greater than just simply the things that we are discussing, they will help insha Allah with Nilla, to understand the question at hand, but also other things as well. And so

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one thing insha Allah to keep in mind

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is that psychological and physical problems are similar in the sense that they could have both biological or supernatural causes.

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And this is part of the net method, Allah xojo Has the noun more of what the net of

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creating perils in this universe, so that we, once we understand one thing we understand the other so physical illnesses are a lot easier to understand.

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If you understand them, then you can draw conclusions also, when it comes to psychological issues and problems, because there's a lot of similarities between them. One of these similarities is that when it comes to causes

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psychological and physical problems have both what let's say call them worldly causes and also other worldly causes. So, if we understand one, we will understand inshallah the other so I want to begin with physical and the reason why I want to begin with the physical is because we need to understand that physical problems have both types of causes and how to treat them. And when we understand that, as I said, the psychological inshallah will be easier to comprehend. So, physical illnesses, when we have a physical illness, the biologic biological cause is the first thing that we assume.

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So you have an illness, you have a pain, knees in the back, you're coughing, you don't immediately assume envy.

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This is this is really important. You don't immediately assume that somebody has somehow have created a magic spell against you. That's why you are coughing and sick and all of that. The first assumption assumption when it comes to physical illnesses is that it's biological. So you wonder, what is wrong? What is this illness? Do I have a deficiency of some sort? You go to

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The Doctor He asked him questions and you try to treat it. So physical illnesses, the assumption is that it is biological.

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But also

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that's important. Religious treatment to physical illnesses is effective.

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Even though the causes biological, the cause is biological, but physical illnesses and diseases, religious treatment helps. So in addition to going to the doctor and seeking medical treatment for your condition, treating your condition your physical condition with religion helps. So I've listed here some examples the F car do sadhaka helping others and Rukia.

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So,

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reading your car,

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in the morning and in the evening, Ward's off illnesses,

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protects from illnesses. So there are certain particular things that the Prophet sallallahu sallam said that if you were to travel, and spend the night somewhere, and you would recite that vicar, you will not be bitten by a scorpion. Bismillah Illa De Lisle Rama is Mishi on Filardi, Allah for some evil was submitted Eileen. I hope we can name it later Matthew maturi Mahalo. You will not be bitten by a scorpion. This is physical. But the F car offer protection.

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Olivia.

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So we know and it's documented in the Hadith, that once a hobby was passing by with a group of companions was passing by a village.

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And the these people who inhabited that village were not Muslims. And the chief of that village was just bitten or stung by a scorpion. So he was suffering, they couldn't do anything to help him and he was on his way to die. So they asked those Muslims as a last resort, they asked them, can you do something to help him?

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So the Muslim one that that particular Sahabi he said, Yes, we can. So he went and he read al Fatiha on that person as Rukia and that person was healed. He says almost it was almost immediate. Once he finished al Fatiha, that person recovered and then he stood up. So from a state where he was approaching or coming close to death to being cured, so what helped with that Rukia

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so I'll fatty her is Rokia

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more without Kulu Allahu Ahad Allah autobill fellow co develop a nurse is a Rokia. It helps with physical illness we have also

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when the prophets of Allah Allah you it was in them he was sick. And he was suffering and he was about to die.

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Right. So on his deathbed,

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he shall the allow I know she would read because she was taking care of him she would read Autopia and more or without Kulu allow her to pull out development fellow Koolau develop bynars Then blow this on his hand, and then wipe his body with his hand because his hand SallAllahu wasallam is blessed. So she would read the rokeya and then wipe over his bodies that was a physical illness that was caused by the poison that was given to him. Sal OLALIA was salam a few years back in Haber. So it's a physical illness, but rokeya helps with it. So we can take a benefit inshallah we can learn something from that, which is that when we have any physical illness, and our assumption, as I said

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immediately is that it has biological causes.

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us look for it,

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use Rukia for it, and Fatiha blow on your hand and then on your body or on that particular part, that that hurts. And while we that Kulu Allah who had allowed to get a bit further pull out of business that helps.

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I could see it helps. Other things that I've mentioned over there. As I said, it's I said sadaqa

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sadaqa helps the sick. So if you are suffering from a physical illness, you can donate to give Kim give sadaqa with the intention that this is where Allah azza wa jal but also to help with my illness that will not come to sadaqa Salatu was Salam. He said, treat your that your sick ones with sadhaka helping others because when you help others, Allah helps you.

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So that's also a means of healing in Islam. There's not only taking medicines swallowing medicine, and just going to a doctor. It's also using all of these things for treatment. And by the way, you know, some scholars have said that actually these

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more effective if you are a believer than physical medicine, that do your Allah heal me, I've got the Rukia. The sadaqa is more effective of a person is really a believer, they are far more effective than just simple medicine. So we say why combined both go to the doctor, but at the same time also use religious healing. But I remember that we said with physical illness, the first assumption that we have is that it is biological, not supernatural, or supernaturally caused. Now, when do we assume that there are supernatural causes to it? As we said again, supernatural causes are hacer dine and magic.

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And yeah, the point that I wanted to make first before we address the question of when do we know supernatural causes are what has said ain, and magic. Magic is somebody made some magic of the went to the magician, and the creek created a spell to harm you.

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And again, in the Hadith, somebody did that to the Prophet Sall Allahu Allahu alayhi wa sallam, but Allah saved him from it. He only had minor,

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minor responses to it to that spell, where Heath salatu salam would sometimes forget whether he had slept with his wives or not, but it would not affect him otherwise. And then Gibreel Alehissalaam came down, and here at Rocky upon the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, so it healed him. And then he told him where that spell was, it was in a well and draft in that well, and it was extracted, and the knots and tight

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so it could happen. So magic could cause physical illness.

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or psychological, as we will see, there's hazard envy.

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And hazard means that somebody sees or hears about something good that you have, and they wish that you don't have it, that you would lose it. So you start experiencing pain or sickness, or what happened that happens.

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I mean, is what I mean is slightly different.

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I mean, that somebody sees, it could be even you, you see something beautiful that you have, or other loved ones have, and you admire it. And you don't say BarakAllahu Li, may Allah bless it. That admiration of yours sometimes could cause that thing to become sick.

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Can cause that thing to become sick if you don't invoke Baraka? So there is when it comes to hazard and if there's an incident at the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, when somebody there is a one Sahabi and he was bathing.

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I bathing you know, in a in a river or in a lake, something like that.

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And then another Sahabi saw him bathing.

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And the outline, of course is covered, but he saw his upper body and he admired his skin, admired his physique.

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He said, I haven't seen something you know as as as as beautiful as I'm seeing now.

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And that person who was bathing fell immediately ill.

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And the prophets OLALIA wa sallam said, you know when they buy the broad then used to the prophets of Allah Hatha Yoga said to them,

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he said, Why is one of you killing his brother? Or why would one of you kill his brother, meaning that if you see something like this, you need to invoke Baraka? You need to say, May Allah bless it. So if we admire anything, you see Allah bless it, this is it.

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This is a him, and then the prophets, Allah listen, and then

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told that person who admired

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that sick person who was now sick, he says, you know, wash parts of your body and take that water and pour it over the body of the sick person. And when they did that, Allah azza wa jal heals him. So this is one of the ways that envy can be healed. But this is when you know, who did that anyway, we're not really talking here about envy in particular, but that it can cause physical illness. Yes, and envy could come from both

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human and jinn. So the jinn can see you admire you, or resent the good thing that you have, and it could cause a loss or an illness.

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And envy is really widespread.

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And the prophets of Allah Azza wa sallam said,

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that extra Roma youth Illuminati are actually

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mode to move to Almighty God, Jehovah Illa, he or other he will enforce any line.

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He says Allah cillum that most of my own my dies after Allah's decree, meaning just like natural death. But after Allah's decree, most of my Alma dies because of envy, as you can see someone and they drop dead, or they become sick, or they suffer, you know, a long illness, and it's caused by envy, so it can happen. So it can happen. That's what we call a supernatural cause, or magic to kill somebody. That's a supernatural cause. So that's what we mean by it. So

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how do we know that something a physical illness is supernaturally caused? We said that our assumption then if I'm sick, if I'm coughing, something is wrong with my body, it's biological. But when do I start suspecting or investigating the fact that this could be supernatural? Envy magic? One if I if I have clear evidence?

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So what if I have clear evidence, so that incident that we talked about, with a Sahabi fell ill they had direct evidence that this person made a comment looked at him, this person fell, fell ill. So now we can say, yeah, there is a strong connection between your illness, and that observation and comment and the eye of that person. So you try to cure that illness, heal that illness using religious treatment. So when you have clear evidence, then you can conclude that this is envy. But you don't want to start suspecting people with no evidence. So for instance, you know, just as a hypothetical, you invite somebody home,

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and they come into your house. And once they leave, you start noticing that there's things are breaking in your home.

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And you know, that the thing that they admired, he said, Oh, what a beautiful, this and that, after, you know, let's say you had a pet or you had this or you had that, after they leave the fall ill these they are sick, they die. So, you may without being certain, but you may draw some conclusions that this may have been caused by that. And you may try to treat it by asking them you pursuing religious treatment by asking them to wash their body and taking that water and you know, pouring it upon the sick person or something similar to it. But that is a sign or sign or a an indication of a close connection between the person and what they envied. Because it just happened. So clear

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evidence. Also, what could

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indicate that a physical illness is supernatural and not physical

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is that it is abrupt meaning sudden,

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it's hard to explain. That is you go to the doctor and the doctor does not understand why this is happening.

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They give you the typical treatment, you're not responding to that treatment, that condition, either is the same or worsens. And you go to other doctors, and no one seems to understand why this is happening or how to treat it. It's it's a mystery to them.

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And that could tell you that the cause is and again, we're not here certain 100%. But that could tell you that the cause is really not only biological, there's something bigger going on.

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And it could be envy. Because why? It's sudden somebody is healthy, all of a sudden they are sick.

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You go to the doctor, why is this happening? So we don't understand it. Maybe this may be that they speculate but they have no clue. You go to a specialist after specialist they have no idea

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and you're not responding to medicine,

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medical treatment, you're not responding to it, it's not helping. But then when you read a rokeya

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you read the rokeya for yourself, or you go to someone who is Iraqi and they read it, you start responding or reacting to it. responding by how by improving you improve,

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you feel better

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or react to it in ways that the rocky with experience will know. So there are some Roca.

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Rafi meaning the person who reads the rokeya who are experienced when they start reading the Autopia

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they'll notice your reactions to it.

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And some of these reactions they will know that

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Typically a person who is envied, responds in this way,

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a person who's suffering from other types of supernatural ailments, like say magical possession, they will respond in this way.

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So your reaction to it or the improvement that you feel when you read the Rukia? Might be an indication that is not it's not simply, it's not simply that you are physically sick, no, not at all. And v. And that's usually the more common culprit than magic. Not a lot of people do magic.

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But envy is the thing that is br a bit behind your illness. So the more that you read Quran, the more that you read of these rupees, the more that you will improve in sha Allah, and that tells you that's an indication that this is what this is supernatural, right. So, you typically write something that is caused by magic, something that is caused by envy, it is sudden, you cannot be explained you yourself cannot explain it, the doctors cannot explain it, you could either Okay, or you feel better, and medical treatment is not helping you.

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So this is why it's always a good idea. Whenever you are sick, no matter what the sickness is, start with the Rokia. Because if in case envy is behind it now you have no clue, no idea, you're just at the beginning of that illness, but in case envy was behind it, you are treating it with the rokeya

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of envy is not behind it. The rokeya is still helping.

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So you see what I'm saying. So for instance, you know, your back hurts,

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you have a headache, or more chronic condition

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is they don't simply just rely on the doctors, you just go to them get treatments from their pills, and you pop them in. And that's it. You pop those Bill pills and you feel that that I've done my job no, what is even more important than that? You are. And Rukia says why? Because if your illness is simply physical, then you're okay, we'll help if your illness is caused by some supernatural causes, the Rukia is the thing that will help and you can do your own Rokia, you can do your own Rukia within fatty how they're more aware that there are some authentic hadith that you can take, and you can read it. And then you can insha Allah start feeding yourself and more chronic more difficult

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conditions, you will need to go to karate, but you start with your own auto care for yourself and your family. And of course, you know the car that we talked about the car, keep you protected,

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do keeps you protected before these things happen. You protect yourself by continuously

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build building defenses. And these defenses is the secret of Allah azza wa jal in the morning, and in the evening, so nothing bad happens to you, or less of it happens to you.

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Now, psychological illnesses, let's move to that psychological illnesses, we're going to assume like the about by, like the physical illnesses. When we said we assume biological causes for psychological illnesses, we assume psychological causes first, that's our main and first assumption. So if I'm depressed, if I have anxiety, if I have

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what have you,

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I don't immediately assume that somebody envied me.

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I don't immediately assume that if somebody is anxious that they are possessed, or magic is behind it. And I'm saying this because what happens

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sometimes, is that we rush and we self diagnose,

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that there is something supernaturally wrong with me.

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Somebody is I has,

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is depressed, they say I'm possessed. Some people also may think, or if somebody is burns, depressed, he is possessed. Or somebody envied him, or there is magic behind it. And what's the problem with this? The problem, first of all, is that there is no evidence yet to support that claim and that suspicion. Second, if it's untrue, you're ignoring the real causes. That could be behind depression and you're not treating any one of them just simply blaming envy. So you're just simply reading rockier and reading okay, we'll help. We'll say that you're simply reading Quran and the Quran will help. We said we will say that, but you're ignoring all the other causes that are making

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this person to

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pressed oil, all the other causes that are making this person anxious and concentrating only on the fact on the assumption that it must be envy, it must be magic, somebody else must be behind it.

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No, there actually could be real causes chronic long term causes that need to be addressed. And if you don't address them, that person will continue to be, or you will continue to be depressed and anxious. So I can go and blame envy, without proof, or blame magic or blame the gin without proof. So psychological problems, right, are have psychological causes. That's the first assumption. So if I'm treating myself, I try to understand why this is happening. And look for the psychological causes behind my psychological challenges or ailments. Now, for that,

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if I have a psychological condition, as we said, depression, different types of anxieties.

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You use both psychological and religious treatment,

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not just it's not just simply psychological. So if you're trying to treat yourself or if you're going to a psychologist, and they're really helping you hamdulillah that's good. But it's not just the psychological.

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Re understand our understanding of the self and of yourself, that on its own, will help. It will help. But on its own, it's still incomplete.

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You need the religious treatment. So if you read Rukia, just like when we talked about the physical illnesses, the psychological illnesses the same, if you read your life car, it will help you with your psychological condition, no matter what it is. If you read your

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the rokeya for yourself continuously, it will help

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with your psychological condition, no question. If you help others, it will help with your psychological condition with your depression, no question. We have Nilla as a relief, you give sadaqa to treat to help others with your sadhaka it will come back and heal you if you have that intention. No question Bismillah xuejun. So it's not just simply going to a psychologist and thinking that that on its own is sufficient, we say no, just like with physical illnesses. Psychological illnesses also require that you also do what religious treatment for them. And why do we say that because religious

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treatment will help you religious treatment will help you you will just feel better when you read the Quran,

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you will be equipped to deal with your challenges when you hear the name of Allah Zildjian.

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So whether the cycle out whether the psychological is caused by

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psychological problems are caused by psychological causes or supernatural causes. Religious treatment and healing helps with both.

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Right,

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exactly as we said, and as we emphasized with physical causes. And

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when is a psychological illness, spirits supernaturally cost? So, again, our assumption is if I'm depressed, it's not because of the jinn. It's not because of envy, there's an issue I need to deal with.

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I need to find out what these issues are. And the more that I come close to Allah azza wa jal, the more that I will understand these issues and be able to treat them. So these are psychological, my emotional hamdulillah good. But sometimes, no. Sometimes there is supernatural causes behind

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my psychological problems. Yes,

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that's true. I'll give you an example. And then I will go in sha Allah to when do we start suspecting that so for instance, Allah azza wa jal says in the Quran

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about how Luton Marut

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and that Allah azza wa jal gave them the knowledge and they were testing people

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and telling them in the manhandle fitna, don't fall attack for we are a fitna. We're teaching you magic, and we are a fitna, so don't disbelieve by learning these things from us. So they were actually sent down as a fitness as a test to people here we have this knowledge and this knowledge can do something which is magic. Don't learn it from us.

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And then Allah azza wa jal says that they will learn from them. But what, or by that by which they're able to separate between a husband and his wife, my very Hornby been and moderately was OG.

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So they can learn, right? It's right there in the Quran, right? They can learn from them, things that they can use to separate between a man and his wife. How do you separate between a man and his wife,

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that you play with his emotions or her emotions, you play with what they like and what they dislike. So now this person loves this woman.

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And then you use a spell against them. And Allah Zoda allows it to happen. You just like Allah Azza, Jenner may allow somebody who wants to kill another to happen, it's a test for everybody. So having this knowledge does not mean that you are allowed to use it.

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So Allah Azza didn't allows it to happen. So that person who loved his wife, now started starts feeling repulsed by her.

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Right, or she feels that towards him. So that he that that magic can

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color or change the feelings that a person has towards another. And of course, I mean, it's there only as long as the spell is cast. But if you destroy that spell, if you find that spell, those feelings will go away, because they are not real. But as long as the magic spell is there, of course, they're going to continue to maybe hate that person, okay? feel incredibly uncomfortable to next to them, they will feel so tight, or their chest is so tight that they can't be around them, that could happen. And it's all of the influence of magic. So the magic can have the psychological effects. And we can have these psychological effects. You find somebody, for instance, somebody is

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so cheerful and happy. Somebody else looks at him and say, How come they're so happy and I'm depressed. It could be that they envy them. And so so they fall into deep depression, and they don't know why it's happening. But it's happening. And you try to assist and you try to help, and it's not working, you take him to a psychologist, and it's not working. And there's a psychologist, especially if they are Muslim, will tell you. Listen, I've tried everything. But nothing seems to be working. And this is something that exists beyond my experience, my expertise, my education, this is something related to maybe envy. You need to you need to explore religious treatment, to understand

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whether there's is there's something more going on? So how do we know if something is supernaturally caused? Just like with physical illnesses, it's abrupt, cannot be explained? No, you have there are no psychological causes. And you react or feel better when Rukia is red.

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So something that is sudden, psychologically, right, there's something that is sudden,

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it's hard to explain.

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It's mysterious, why is so and so all of a sudden, anxious, all of a sudden, depressed,

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all of a sudden, antisocial, all of a sudden, hopeless? Why are these things happening all of a sudden, and you take them to a psychologist and they talk to them, and there is no discernible easy to find psychological explanations, they don't fit into any category. And so this psychologist scratches their head, and they said, I don't know exactly what is happening with them, just like a doctor would say, I don't know exactly what the what cause is causing this illness. I can speculate, but it doesn't fit any particular category that I have. So when that happens, you start thinking about the fact that there could be something

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to it more than what the eye can see. More than the background of that person there is maybe envy or maybe even magic. And in that case, when it is difficult like that, when it's chronic like that. You need the assistance of someone who will read Rukia

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the rocky right? Why do you need their assistance because they have experience. Now you don't necessarily need somebody to need to redraw PA for you, you can do it yourself.

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Right remember the example of the sahabi that we talked about? And he simply read the Al Fatiha and in fact, he has Subhanallah if a person's Eman is strong, and fat, how on its own could be enough. And that Sahabi by the help of Allah zodion was able to help somebody who was poisoned.

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And you know that

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person just stood up healthy

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to just refer to how could help but it needs a lot of Eman. So you can start your own rookie or yourself and see how you're reacting to it. If you are improving if you are feeling better the sensations in your body, but if the condition is really chronic, difficult, stubborn, and you can't locate causes, and no one is able to help, then right, you may start saying to yourself, after you've done all of these things, start saying to yourself, maybe maybe it is envy.

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Maybe it is envy, I'm using Rukia. And I'm using the F car I'm using all of that, but is still I'm not seeing a lot of improvement. So maybe I need the advice and the expertise of after visiting a psychologist or at least somebody who understands psychological issues

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is out after I visited them and after I consulted with them, and still I didn't find any progress. Maybe I need to visit a person who can perform Rukia and they maybe are able to help. And what I want to say in sha Allah about that about Verratti and the Muslim psychologist.

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First of all, if you are going to use or seek somebody to read Rukia

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the most important thing in that person is that they have Taqwa of Allah and they follow the Quran and Sunnah.

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So not any person who dresses like a sheath or like an Imam, or calls himself a sheath, an Imam and has a turban as in a long beard and has you know the the rosary or the TSB, around their neck or in their hands. And they advertise that is a legitimate person. So you just go and you tell them everything.

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And you entrust them with your secrets. That's, that's not wise. You need the rocky as we said, who follows the Quran and Sunnah. Meaning what he doesn't use gin.

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There are some people who will do Rokia or try to help with these issues, but they they themselves use gin.

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And one of the things that they will do, I mean, it's kind of like how hallmark of some of them is that they will ask you about information about you.

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When were you when you were when were you born or the name of your mother, or other details that have nothing to do with reading Rokia.

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See that again, go back to that Sahabi example that we gave, he simply went to that person read al Fatiha do you need to know their age, their marital status where the mother is or the name of their mother? How do these things help when you simply only need someone to read Rukia and nothing else is because they use these details and feet to their gin and then gin, their gin will assist them. So you don't want to go to someone suspect like that.

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You need to ask someone that you trust you go to the Imam of the masjid

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to a well known che who follows the Quran and the Sunnah. And you say I need somebody to read Rukia to help me or to assess the family member, give me someone like that. And they will give you someone like that in the law as the origin and you go to them or they visit you and you will see that what they do is nothing more than reading the Quran and reading the DUA. And they may also do what they can also may read the Quran or these car and they blow it in some water and give it to you to drink. They could do that that inshallah is legitimate, but there's nothing

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you know, suspect in what they do. They don't ask such such details or give me a trace of this or give me a picture of that. This is all irrelevant. And all are indications of that person is using gin. And if you involve those who are using gin in your own business, you're getting into more trouble than you wish for. You want to run away from those people don't say oh, they can help. No, they just add and complicate your problem. So that's what we want to say about a person who will read Rukia and the more Dakwah they have and the more that they follow the Quran and Sunnah the more potent the rokeya is the rocaille will be extremely strong. When they only use the Quran they only

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use the Sunnah, the Hadith and they have to Oh Allah azza wa jal. They are Rokia is really strong and potent when they start playing with

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the jinn and using them, they will become weaker because of it. So seek Araki when you want to seek if you want to seek a Rukia investigate them, because it's really essential that you don't invite someone into your life and into the life of your loved ones who will add harm. Okay to your already, you know, complicated condition. The second thing is that if you are using a a psychologist, as I said, in the series on depression, I said, a Muslim psychologist as much as you can, who is has psychology psychologically and religiously based. Now, we explained why that was the case, or should be the case, in that series. Of course, you need somebody with psychological credentials, who will

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understand psychological issues and their background and their treatment and the studies and you know, how to transition you from a condition where you are depressed or anxious or have lost hope into a state where, again, you could feel joy and hope and security in your life. It's important, right? That they understand that.

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But that on its own, okay, is always deficient.

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Unless they add to it an understanding of Islam of Allah xojo, because that component is really

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the most basic and effective way to treat all of these conditions that we talked about. It's not just simply you are depressed, and now you just need to believe more in yourself and life is beautiful, life is bright, and, and there's hope and Yeah, true. But at the same time, the thing that gives you hope, is Allah and the promises of ALLAH SubhanA wa at the end, and the fact that there's a hereafter that Allah is with you, as we've discussed when we talked about depression. So when you take take the religious element out, whatever treatment, you're going through whatever advice you're listening to, is not religiously based. And when it's not religiously based, it's

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incomplete. And it can, in some ways, also harm you in short and long term, because it refocuses you away from Allah and to yourself, rather than you depend on Allah, you depend on yourself. So it is deficient in that way. And it also misses the fact that there are supernatural causes behind illnesses.

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So someone who's basically an only a psychologist, and does not believe in religion will never understand the fact that there is a jinn that is involved.

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Or that there is envy that could be behind it. So they will not be able to treat you or recommend treatment, because they don't don't believe in any of these things. But a Muslim psychologists who can simply and honestly understand the limits of their profession, and say, Yeah, I can treat you but what I'm seeing right now is beyond my expertise, beyond what I've seen, and I know that there is a side, a world that exists beyond what we see. And you need someone who will be able to help with that. Now Muslim psychologist himself can read Autopia if he's equipped, if he knows what he's doing more, he may send you to someone who specializes in doing that. But they understand the

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limits. So when a person has does not have religion, as a background, and as a basis for their practice, they will miss all of that.

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And they can misdirect you. So that's why I'm saying that when you're making choices, make the best choices, insha Allah that you can, if you're seeking a psychologist, yes, psychologist could help.

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Try your very, very best to choose someone who was also a Muslim is also Muslim, who also

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uses Islam in their treatment and their psychological treatment. So they infuse psychology with Islam and Islamic psychology. And they,

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in a sense, what I wanted to say is they correct the circle psychological exaggerations, or aberrations with religion. Because that's what religion is supposed to do to guide and correct. So if you find a person like that, Inshallah, that is great. If you can't, and you just simply go into a psychologist, make sure insha Allah at the same time that you try to consult a religious person so that you get the religious component as well. Right. But and important in sha Allah if you're using someone who, for Rokia that you'd be very selective and very careful, only Quran and only sunnah. And for that you need the advice and the Council of someone who himself follows the Quran and Sunnah

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and knows how to distinguish between a good Rafi

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Bedrocan are good personnaliser leukemia and someone who is not that good for you and your family? Well lo Allah

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let me see in sha Allah if there are any questions

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in chat insha Allah I've tried to answer what I can. So here there's a question that says, As Salam Alikum walaikum salam, there are scholars who do not prefer to blame spiritual illness, ie black magic or envy, they see that going into performing Autopia by a person who performs Opia can lead to a shirk, how do we not cross that line with asking for a person to perform Rukia on patients he used for answer net and his treatment. Now I don't understand why going to a person for Rukia could be interpreted as [???]. I don't understand that. So it says there are scholars you say who do not prefer prefer to identify spiritual illnesses,

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or to blame spiritual illnesses.

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As you said it black magic or envy, meaning they don't prefer that you identify spiritual causes for your illness. They don't prefer that. Now, I don't know why they prefer that.

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Because we already know from the Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu, wasallam. He said, I know how fine is a fact is true. And he says a lot he was in them that he could put a camel in a pot, and a man in a grave.

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And we said in that head, so this, this is a Hadith. And there's so many other Hadith about iron and about envy. So if you say no, no, I mean, a physical illness or a psychological illness cannot be caused by

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supernatural causes. We say, Well, why are you making that claim? Why are you making that conclusion? It can be. And many times it is. The thing is that we don't want to jump into conclusions and saying that yeah, I've been envied. Why do you have evidence? No, I don't have any evidence. Why did you make that assumption? So that's the thing that we're trying to avoid. But then if there are indications and signs that you've been envied, then yeah, you've been envied.

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If there are signs that for instance, good signs that there is a magic that magic was behind what is happening to you, then that's, that's the cause. So if that's the case, then you know, you can read Rukia for yourself, or if it's not helping,

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okay, you can go to someone experienced and they can read Rokia. And there is no shake in that if a person is simply using the Quran and Sunnah. When you sit in for when you sit in front of them, they're just reading Quran reading authentic hadith, right? What is schicke in that process? So I don't I don't find this [???] in Allah.

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So let me see, I think this is a question. Yeah. So someone has a medical condition and medicine works to a point. And then the person is advised by Iraqi randomly that he is impacted. So can the long term impact of the supernatural causes a result in physical impact? So somebody somebody is sick is physically sick, as I understand from your condition, and he's responding somewhat to the treatment. And then a person advises him, or he's advised by Iraqi that there's something wrong with you. Maybe you've been envied, or there is magic? or what have you. So can the can the long term impact of these supernatural causes result in physical impact? So yeah, if you've been envied, and

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you may have been envied A while back,

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and it can result or lead to physical illnesses. Sometimes, even sometimes, even when that physical illness has a medical explanation.

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Even though it has even the doctor will tell you well, you know, what percentage of the population just develop these causes.

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If they say, you know, 10 to 20% of the population, they just suffer from this. We don't know why, but it happens. The doctor can only say what they know, they can only explain what they know, 20 to 20% of the population get this, we don't know why, but it happens. And they think that's it. That's the end. That's the end of the story. It happens. We don't know why that's it. But that that's the limit of their knowledge. The tools that they have, do not enable the doctors to understand what has caught what is causing this illness. So maybe the 20 to the 2010 to 20% of the population will get ill or less than that maybe 10% only or 5% Only, they get it

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Because of envy, but you can't detect it,

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but Araki can. And I'm not saying that a Rocky has supernatural powers No, they just simply read the Quran. But a person starts reacting to that Rukia as I said, either you improve or you start reacting to it in ways as I said that the Rocky was it would experience this everybody who was envied reacted this way. So they can tell with these signs.

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So I hope I understood

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your question shall

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so all these FA as I said all those said fake folks say that these the Quran and Sunnah, how can a layman differentiate? It may be difficult for you to tell them apart.

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The first thing is that referral.

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Just like how do you know that

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this specialist is good or that doctor is good.

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You go and ask somebody that you trust and they refer you to someone that they believe is good. So referral is really important. So you go to that shake in the masjid, who you know, follows the Quran and Sunnah or generally right in your city, follows the Quran and Sunnah. And you say you tell me about a trustworthy Iraqi, you tell me, you, you, you direct me to them. And that's how you know.

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The other thing is that if you go to arati, and they start doing things suspicious,

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there's just some funny business going on there. Right? He's asking questions that are irrelevant, inappropriate,

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or asking you to do things that are ridiculous and inappropriate, bring me a picture, bring me a trace of so on. So

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then you say, okay, that doesn't none of that make sense. So that could help to differentiate, it does actually help differentiate between the real deal and those who are just simply faking it or using

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the gym with them.

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Or somebody tells you, that's another thing. If somebody comes and gives you information that no one knows, no one's supposed to know.

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Last Last night, you encountered this and that, a month ago, you saw this dream, they tell you details that no one no average person is supposed to know. And a religious person is an average person, by the way, in terms of their knowledge of the Unseen, they're just an average person. So when they tell you tells you secrets about yourselves or about your family, then you know, they cannot know this by themselves, who's telling them there's a gym that is feeding this into their ears. So you know that this is a person to run away from, right?

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Is it true that every Iraqi will have his own recitation, and there is no particular recitation for different cases?

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Every Iraqi will have his own recipe, meaning that they make up their own recitation. And there is no particular recitation for different cases. So

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let's think about Rokia in the following terms.

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There are things that are constant in it in the Rukia.

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And you can use all of it and you can use some of it. So you can just use that fact he has Autopia. And you're done. Whether it is physical illness, envy mat, you can use envy or magic, you can use that you can use that fatty Hatton and what are we that Call of allah how to pull out the rumble further pull out develop Venus, and then you could be done with that. So a doctor could simply come and just do this. You could just simply do that. You could use you can add to it, I could see, you can add to it. Now see, these things are things that you could add, they help insha Allah they don't harm. They're not necessary, but you can

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you can add the last two is from Surah Al Baqarah.

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Now some of the Rocha, those who read the rokeya will do what if they're

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treating what they suspect is

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magic. They will take the is in the Quran that discuss magic and include it in the Rukia.

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Right, and there's a point in Sharla when I mentioned about trochlea Inshallah, but listening to the Rukia online, which is helpful by the way.

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So they will collect all of their creating magic, they'll try to collect all the ideas in the Quran about magic that mentioned magic and they will read that in devil p as well just not permissible because he still read the Quran. Somewhat. They suspect that they're treating envy they will take the eye is in the Quran that mentioned it

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or have said anything had mentioned ain, or hesed. And they include that in there, okay, and that is absolutely fine. And then they will also include the Hadith.

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So, this is what Rukia. So some of it could be long, some of it could be short, but you make sure that what that person is reading comes directly from the Quran, what comes directly from this soon you don't need anything extra. You don't need anything else.

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So

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the point that I wanted mentioned about an online Rukia there are some of that AKA, those who read the rokeya they recorded their Rukia online, so you can go to YouTube and you can find it there. Okay, off shift so and so that will pay off shift so and so and you'll listen to it, you'll find is just all Quran, and it's all sooner. The experience has been of some of those little up when they explain about their recorded Rukia. They said that it did help

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with some with patients, even though it's not the physical person reading it, but they say when that was played, it did help the patient. So again, referral, you go to ask somebody, what is a good little player that I can listen to online? I don't have anybody around maybe and I want to listen to autoplay online, what is it good, okay, that I can listen to online, they'll tell you this, and this and that you listen to it, and you see how you react to it. And you see maybe it will help. So online Rokia insha, Allah is helpful being the last soldier.

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So Hamdulillah I think I've answered all of your questions. And I hope that the lecture was clear enough, and provided in sha Allah, enough foundations and principles to be able to deal with both physical and non physical, physical and psychological. So if you have an issue, physical, you assume me, the first assumption is that this is biological I need to treat it, but also I'm using religious treatment. And if there are some supernatural causes my spiritual treatment in sha Allah will help. And it will tell you when we told you in sha Allah, when to start suspecting on thinking about the fact that this could have supernatural causes to it. Psychological problems are the same, I assume,

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first, if I have anything, or have a loved one who has anything that this is psychological, and I treat it as a psychological problem. If it's complicated, it's not working psychologist scratching their heads, they don't know what is happening.

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Then I may start suspecting or assuming or investigating the fact that there could be supernatural causes behind it. And either way, whether it's only psychological, or also supernatural use religious treatment, you lose the ADKAR used to use Rokia. And yes, depression sometimes sometimes I'm not saying all the time, sometimes could be caused by envy or other supernatural causes. Anxiety could sometimes be caused by envy or other supernatural causes. So that's why

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religious treatment is really helpful here, right? So there's nothing to lose you or you have a problem, physical or psychological. reading the Quran and reading Rukia will help either way he whether it is simply worldly, or it is other worldly dogtopia will help even alas soldier. So use a Bismillah as the origin of Allah azza wa jal helps. I don't have the names of

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good Rockies in the US and Canada, I really don't have that. But you need someone local. If you can get in contact with someone local, that would be best, but seek your local Imams and shakes if not then in the next city, but someone that you trust and you say, I need someone reliable. And give me someone who's reliable. And as the as you're doing this, also remember that it the healing is in the hands of Allah as though that it's not the rocky that helps. The rock is just the mean

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is just the means to it. It's a lot as though did who heals. And so if you increase your own Eman, and if you're patient, you may not even need somebody to read waqia for you. But sometimes we need that why? Because they have more experience. And because they are sometimes it could be that they're closer to Allah azza wa jal danas but definitely they have more experience. So when they read that Rukia they know what to do with the aftermath. Maybe we don't. So we ask Allah azza wa jal to give all of us healing.

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externally and internally we ask Allah hamara he mean, to heal the sick among us and

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Give us she felt complete she far from everything that ails us. Ask him Subhana Allah, Allah need to save us from physical illness and from spiritual from spiritual illness and psychological illness was come subhanaw taala to protect us from magic and envy and the whispers of the Shavon ask him Subhana wa Hama Rahimi mean to bless us in this dunya and in the villa and to grant us the best in this dunya and in the Acura and protect us from all evil in this dunya and in the scheme subhanho wa Taala to forgive us our sins to strengthen us against our desires in the chiffon was come Subhanallah without Allah but allow me to make Jen our final destination our final home and protect

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us from the punishment in the grave and the punishment of hellfire just come low here for listening. And may Allah azza wa jal protect you and your loved ones, Amin Subhanak Allama will be handed a shadow either in this stuff you're going to relate hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh